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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight. From Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Man, Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Justin Bampfort Back with us. Has been exploring various avenues

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Speaker 2: of high strangeness and its interconnectiveness, from the paranormal to UFOs,

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Speaker 2: the Men in Black, psychic phenomena everything in between for

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Speaker 2: about two decades. His book is called The Spectrum, Glimpses

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Speaker 2: of the Paranormal and Encounters with the Strange, takes a

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Speaker 2: look at often overlooked aspects of these events through various

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Speaker 2: case studies and his own experiences. He has a podcast

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Speaker 2: that you can find at the website Normal Paranormal dot org.

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Speaker 2: Justin welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Have you been hey, George? Thanks for having me back.

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Speaker 3: It's been quite the ride these last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: I went by too fast, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: I know, it feels like just yesterday I was talking

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Speaker 3: with you.

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Speaker 2: How did the book The Spectrum do for you when

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Speaker 2: it came.

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Speaker 3: Out in eighteen, Oh, it's phenomenal. I got a lot

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Speaker 3: of feedback from people. A lot of people were writing

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Speaker 3: in sharing their stories. It was it's opened the door

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Speaker 3: to well a lot of high strangeness in itself. But

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Speaker 3: it's been quite a treat. I'm really blessed to be

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Speaker 3: able to publish these stories and share it with the world,

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Speaker 3: and I'm looking forward to some of your stories tonight,

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Speaker 3: sure on the air.

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Speaker 2: So I'm fascinated by how people in the paranormal get

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Speaker 2: involved in it, what pulls them in. How far backward

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Speaker 2: was that was that for you? Were you a kid

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Speaker 2: when you were interested in this stuff?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, absolutely, I mean I think a lot of

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Speaker 3: listeners can relate to this. You know, we don't really

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Speaker 3: choose the paranormal so much as it chooses us. True,

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Speaker 3: And for me, I was, well, I was living in

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Speaker 3: what I thought was a haunted house at the time,

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Speaker 3: but now looking back on it as an adult, I

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Speaker 3: think it was more of a haunted experience that was

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Speaker 3: just perpetuated by just negative energy and just like a

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Speaker 3: cloud of negativity because my parents are going through a

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Speaker 3: divorce at the time time, and I think whatever may

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Speaker 3: have existed in the house was just fueled by all

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Speaker 3: this darkness and all of these it's just nasty, nasty

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Speaker 3: thoughts and thinking and just overall negativity, A lot of.

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Speaker 2: Too much negativity. Doesn't. It doesn't help, doesn't.

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Speaker 3: No, it doesn't. And it's interesting because you hear a

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Speaker 3: lot about you know, people saying like, oh, you know

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Speaker 3: you can manifest your own reality and you know you

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Speaker 3: can bring in positivity. You know, if you focus too

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Speaker 3: much on depressing things, you will track depressing things. And

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Speaker 3: I know it kind of sounds like woo woo topics,

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Speaker 3: but there might be something to that. You know, this

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Speaker 3: phenomenon might play more of a part off of our

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Speaker 3: psyche than that we may realize.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about your podcast, Terror Signals.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Terror Signals that just happened recently, earlier last year,

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Speaker 3: and I started it up, you know, primarily as just

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Speaker 3: to present various guests on different topics, you know, arranging

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Speaker 3: from a supernatural where Mesphis to science, technology, society, culture

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Speaker 3: and the strange and the stranger. And what I thought

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Speaker 3: was really cool is hearing people's stories through their own words,

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Speaker 3: you know, because it just resonates more when you can

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Speaker 3: hear it firsthand from someone. And I've had quite a

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Speaker 3: few guests on there that I covered in the book

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Speaker 3: The Spectrum, But I think it has a little bit

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Speaker 3: more of a little bit more weight when you can

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Speaker 3: actually hear it directly from them.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's fantastic, it really is. And you've been doing it,

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Speaker 2: like you said, just recently, have you had any stunning

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Speaker 2: surprises with anybody on the air.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, it was interesting because I had had

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Speaker 3: Larry Arnold, who's the world's foremost researcher and the spontaneous

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Speaker 3: human combustion job.

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Speaker 2: He's been on our show before.

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, and that was really fun conversation.

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Speaker 3: Larry's a good friend of mine, and I was like,

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Speaker 3: you know what, it's funny because they're there are some

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Speaker 2: It's bizarre, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is, and it's still going on. And

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Speaker 3: to cover tonight with what I call the men in black,

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Speaker 3: but not just men in black, but strange people encounters.

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Speaker 2: Would you consider yourself a paranormal investigator, facilitator, what would

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Speaker 3: Yourself an interested party? You know, I do investigating, I

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Speaker 2: When you when you go out, whether it's to dinner

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Speaker 3: People will often share a little bit, but it's never

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Speaker 3: not going to judge them, that you're not going to

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Speaker 3: tell people, look, your testimony, that's going to help empower

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Speaker 3: someone else to share their testimony and to come forward

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Speaker 3: and to realize, hey, we're not alone. You know what,

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Speaker 3: you're experiencing someone else, you know, a few states over,

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Speaker 2: As we continue talking with Justin Bamforth, you're going to

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Speaker 2: hear some really strange paranormal stories from him. Later. You

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Speaker 3: No, I really don't, because you know, we put a

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Speaker 3: more to not say, hey, have you had any men

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Speaker 3: And sure enough, it has some of the classic hallmark

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Speaker 3: to be like this odd movement, you know, this physical

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Speaker 2: Justin What do you think triggers them to show up?

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Speaker 3: Well, again, I think it's the state of mind, you

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Speaker 3: And that may that may be the case. You know sometimes,

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Speaker 3: very similar to like a ghost encounter, right if you

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Speaker 2: Not going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Have you found that the men in black are government,

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Speaker 3: I think there is some aspects that could be government related,

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Speaker 3: just they're they're not necessarily trailing the UFL experience too.

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Speaker 3: Again? I think it's it's just there's got to be

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Speaker 2: It is fascinating, indeed, who do you think, well, how

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Speaker 2: do they know where to go, where to show up?

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Speaker 3: Well, they they don't seem too bright, to be honest

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Speaker 3: And then two weeks later, the event organizers have their

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Speaker 3: Say another, I'd say this plays I think on our

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