1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: me Tommy di Dario. Today's guest is the incredible screenwriter 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: and showrunner Lisa and Biorn, who is best known for 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: creating the smash hit series on Netflix, Young Royals. Now 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: the entire final season has officially dropped, and as the 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: world more install loss of a show that well, many 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: aren't quite ready to say goodbye to. I thought that 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: hearing from the brilliant mind of the person who brought 9 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: this series to life would be the dose of medicine 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: that we all need. So I purposefully held this episode 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: until you had a chance to hopefully watch the final 12 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: episode of the series. So, yes, there will be spoilers 13 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: in this conversation, and you will hear juicy and delicious 14 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: never before talked about insights from Lisa. It's almost like 15 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: a bonus episode of Young Royals because there are so 16 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: many insights she shares that are just gonna make you smile. 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: We are reliving the series today, it is so much fun. 18 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: We talk about that final scene of the series, that beautiful, 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: moving final scene. And if Lisa always knew how she 20 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: wanted Young Royals to end, could there have been a 21 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: different ending. What was that last day on set really like? 22 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: Would she have done anything differently throughout the series? 23 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: Hey? 24 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: How did she know that Omar and Edvon were made 25 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: to play their characters? And what was it like working 26 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: with them every single day? What is she most proud 27 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: of with the show? Yeah, it's safe to say we 28 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: covered a lot. So why don't we get to the episode. 29 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: But before we do that, if you're craving more Young 30 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: Royals content after this episode, you can head over to 31 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: my main page and check out my interview with Omar, 32 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: which was so much fun too. We laughed, we danced, 33 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: we sang, we cried. Go check it out, all right, 34 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: So let's see if today we can get Lisa to 35 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: say something that she has never said before. Lisa, how 36 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: are you my friend? It is so good to see you. 37 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: It's so good to see you. I'm very well, thank you. 38 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: I am wonderful, I am so good, and I'm so 39 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: happy to have you here because we are celebrating all 40 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: things Young Royals on my show for the next couple 41 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: of weeks. And Ah, what you have created is something magical. 42 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: It is spectacular. So, first of all, how are you 43 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: feeling with the show coming to an end. Is it 44 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: a really weirdly emotional time for you. 45 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually very bizarre. It's so much happiness and 46 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: joy and we are so proud, but it's also a 47 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: huge like sadness as well, of course for everyone. And 48 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: it's very melancholic in a way because saying goodbye to 49 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: the things that have had this huge impact on all 50 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: of us really and have changed our lives forever. And 51 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: to say goodbye, especially to these characters that have been 52 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 2: living in my head now for almost five years, it's strange, 53 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 2: to say the least. 54 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: Did you ever expect this show to become a worldwide phenomenon? 55 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 3: Absolutely not. 56 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: I didn't know like we were going to have some 57 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 2: kind of a queer audience, of course with the theme 58 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 2: and everything, but I had no idea what they were 59 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 2: going to think about it, if everyone was going to 60 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 2: hate it or love it. It's so hard to judge yourself. 61 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: And it was just a shock when it happened, really 62 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: but like so beautiful, and I don't think, you know, 63 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 2: this is once in a lifetime thing that has happened, 64 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 2: and it's yeah, I really mind blowing, like I still, 65 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: you know, to this day, for three years, so I've 66 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: just been getting dms about how it has shaped and 67 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 2: changed people's lives, and I mean, that's what more can 68 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: you ask for as a creative person. 69 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: You know, that is so beautiful. So why do you 70 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: think you get all of those dms and messages? What 71 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: do you think it is about this show that has 72 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: resonated in such a big way and has made it 73 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: blown up in such a big way, and has made 74 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: it sit at number one on the charts every single 75 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: time and new season drops, Like, what is it about 76 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: Young Royals? 77 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: I've been asked this question before, and I have been 78 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: really bad at answering it because in one way, I 79 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: don't know. I think it is and I hope it 80 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: is because we kind of there is realism in the 81 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: sense of how we treat these youngsters feelings, like taking 82 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 2: them really seriously and letting them be cringe and honest 83 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: and weird, and you know, all the things that teenagers. 84 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 3: Are in this world, which is like. 85 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: Also enchanting in a way, and obviously the big love story, 86 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 2: you know, teenagers who maybe haven't experienced their big first 87 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: love or who are you know who have but who 88 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: haven't been able to like really fully live it out 89 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: and experience it all. I also think with like what 90 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 2: was a bit of a shock was the adult audience 91 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 2: or the older audience, even like, you know, having fifty 92 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: year olds telling me like, oh, I didn't get to 93 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: be with the person I loved when I was that age, 94 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: and now I can kind of get to relive it 95 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 2: a little bit and get a little piece of that back. 96 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: And I think it is the world that we have 97 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: all created together that is very inviting in a way, 98 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,799 Speaker 2: even if it's super dramatic, it's also honest. 99 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: I would say, can. 100 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: You imagine being in your fifties or older and having 101 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: that lived experience of not being able to ever be 102 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: with the one you love? I mean, it gives me, 103 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: oh god, it gives me childses thinking about it because 104 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: I as a thirty eight year old gay married man, 105 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: like I always say, I'm so grateful for the people 106 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: before me who have paved the way to live with 107 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: that is such a difficult thing. So when you hear 108 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: stories like that, I imagine that so deeply touches you. 109 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, like everything that interests me in 110 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 2: this world, like social injustice wise, it's also that you know, 111 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: we only have this brief little moment on earth, and 112 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 2: everyone before us who have lived have also just had 113 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: this little. 114 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:53,239 Speaker 3: Tiny piece. 115 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 2: And to spend your life stopping people from living the 116 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 2: way they want, loving whoever they want, or you know, 117 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: in any aspect without hurting anyone is such a punishment. 118 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: It is such like the grading thing that we still 119 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: do to each other, and it is really painful to 120 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: think about it and to see it happening still all 121 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: around the world in different aspects, not even when it 122 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: just comes to homophobia, but you know, like classicism and 123 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: you know, racism and sexy like it's so. 124 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is really. 125 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 2: Something that I think about a lot, and yeah, how 126 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 2: horrible it is. 127 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: That's why projects like this are so important, and that's 128 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: why everyone is so sad to see it go, because 129 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: it does have such an impact on their lives. And 130 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: the cast you assembled, I mean, they brought this story 131 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: to life in such a beautiful way. Edvin and Omar 132 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: of course, are you're leading men? Why were they the 133 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: right fits to play these characters? 134 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 2: Well, I mean this is both due to the costing department, 135 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 2: of course, and the directors of the first season. And 136 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 2: I also have to say for me personally, when I 137 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 2: write I very seldom they kind of set up an 138 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 2: idea of how someone is gonna look. I often talk 139 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: about how they are and you know, the experience and what, 140 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: but like what kind of tension we want from a 141 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: character or what they have to be able to do 142 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: and perform and give us. But it was very lovely 143 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: to have a casting process where we saw a lot 144 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: of different people and a lot of different versions of 145 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: who these characters could be. And you know, it just 146 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: became very clear when we saw these actors. I think 147 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: Sarah that was the last one to get cast, but 148 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: I'm so happy it ended up being her because I 149 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: saw her first costent tape and I was like, yeah, 150 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: that's her. But it took some time before we convinced everyone, 151 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: and Edwin and Omari was just how playful they instantly 152 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: were with each other. I mean they had never met, 153 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: they met, you know, walking into the costing room, and 154 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: everyone who saw their tape was like, yeah, this is it. 155 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: And I didn't even want, Like I wanted the character 156 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: of Cinemon to be a new face that we hadn't 157 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: seen before, and Omar obviously has his history as a 158 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: pop star, and it was a bit like, oh God, 159 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: that he is so good, we're gonna have to We're 160 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 2: gonna have to give it to him, you know, We're 161 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: gonna have to see what he does with it. And yeah, 162 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: rewrote it a lot for them as well, and who 163 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: they were and all the magically they brought to life. 164 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: You know, was there one thing that you can pinpoint 165 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: for each van in Omar where you said, yes, they're 166 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: these characters. 167 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 2: I think as a writer sometimes you have to write 168 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 2: really bad lines. I would say, like lines that has 169 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: to carry information in a certain way. And Edwin just 170 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: came in and you could give him anything and he 171 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 2: made it just sound natural and honest. And he has 172 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 2: a very beautiful presence in every take. And I mean 173 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 2: he can just look at someone and you feel everything 174 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 2: you know inside of yourself. And Omar just has such 175 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: a playfulness and such a beautiful like approach to everything 176 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: I would throw his way, like throughout this entire process, 177 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: Like Omar is when I go to if I like 178 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 2: have this like idea, like oh, this is going to 179 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: be super dramatic, I tell it to Omar because. 180 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 3: He gets so excited and he's like, yeah, I'm going 181 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 3: to get to do this. I'm going to get to cry. 182 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 3: I'm going to get to like. 183 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 2: It's such an energy that just like fills up the room. 184 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: And they are very different, like both in the personalities 185 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: and in front of the camera, but they just see 186 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: each other. And I think also that playfulness between them 187 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 2: and the energy they give each other, they really feed 188 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 2: off each other's energy in the most brilliant way. 189 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: And what's so cool is you seem like a very 190 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: collaborative creator and you want people to give ideas and 191 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: bounce things off of each other. I mean, this is 192 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: just what I'm observing. I might be wrong, but it 193 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: seems like you enjoy the process of bringing a project 194 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: life and having people also contribute with their ideas. 195 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: Of course, I mean, if you don't like a collaborative process, 196 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: you shouldn't be making series and not film. You should 197 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: be writing books where you probably can decide a little 198 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: bit more and you don't have a budget to follow, 199 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 2: like I have a budget. I need to you know, 200 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: not overstep in no, And I love this is the 201 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 2: beautiful thing with it. It's just everyone it's such a 202 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 2: tight schedule that no matter how fast I would be 203 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 2: on my own, you do not have the time for 204 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 2: every single detail so you need people to constantly be 205 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 2: feeding you with their ideas and have all of these 206 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: like super professionals. All the people in our team has 207 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: given me so much just you know, going to set 208 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 2: the sign, realizing like, oh, actually we can tell this 209 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 2: in the environment. We don't have to actually put this 210 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: in the edit. Doesn't have to be a line about 211 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: you know what the schedule or whatever like they already 212 00:10:55,200 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: made that, or art department or like costume can sometimes 213 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 2: you know, come with ideas that I'm like, oh my god, yes, 214 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: now actually we are adding layers and you're understanding, you know, 215 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: the vision and what I'm trying to say here, and 216 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 2: we're all just like it's like a megaphone, just like broadcasting, 217 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: it wider and wider. 218 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 3: So I love that. 219 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 2: And this last season I've never been so happy on 220 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 2: set as I was the season I was, just because 221 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 2: the first season was much harder to make, and the 222 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: second season I knew like that the audience were going 223 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 2: to have opinions about a lot of the decisions I made. 224 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: So this third season, coming in with all of that experience, 225 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: being able to shape the team around that, no like 226 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 2: knowing now like what we do and how we can 227 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 2: do it in the best possible way. I actually, instead 228 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 2: of having like more ownership over things, it's almost like 229 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: everyone just like tunes in and then it becomes even 230 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: more amazing than you can ever imagine. And you know, 231 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 2: so I've been I've been obsessed with my team this season. 232 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 3: They've like taught me so much. I've been so amazing 233 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 3: to work with. 234 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: You mentioned the last season, So let's get into it. 235 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: For everybody listening, this is going to be spoiler time, 236 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: so by now hopefully you've watched, but let's dive in 237 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: and talk about it. So when did you know how 238 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: you wanted this series to end? Did you always know 239 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: the ending you wanted? Like walk me through that process? 240 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? I did. 241 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: Sometimes I don't really know the ending when I write. 242 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: I have a few previous projects where I have been 243 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: like kind of figuring it out as I go along, 244 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: but you always need some kind of like things to 245 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 2: aim towards. But with Young Royals, I think I had 246 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: to know the ending to be able to know. 247 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 3: Where to start the story. And I had this. 248 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 2: Vision in my mind of like, I've never seen a 249 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 2: story about the young person a prince saying to his 250 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: queen mom I'm not going to do this. I'm going 251 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: to go and be with the love of my life 252 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: kind of. So I had that as my aim the 253 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 2: entire time, but then I also knew, oh, we have 254 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 2: to be with him for this journey, and we have 255 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 2: to meet Simon before it all starts happening, and we 256 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: have to you know, like start the show here. 257 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 3: But I mean, in the beginning, the first pitch. 258 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 2: I wrote, I Am I tried to squeeze everything into 259 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 2: the first season because I was so worried that I 260 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: wasn't going to get another one. So you know, the 261 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 2: first start of the process was just being like, Okay, no, 262 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: this is impossible to fit. We just need to like 263 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: we can end it where season one ends, but that's 264 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: as far as we can take it on the season. 265 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: So I was nerve racked, Like I was a big 266 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 2: nerve right the first season because I was like, if 267 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: we don't get a second, like, I'm not going to 268 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 2: get to finish it where I want to finish it. 269 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 3: So it was a bit of a gamble. 270 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's this idea of getting to you know, 271 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 2: really follow this love story from the very simple start 272 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 2: of it when they meet and fall in love and 273 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 2: then figuring it out if they actually could be without 274 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: each other and if they actually should choose different parts 275 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 2: in the second season, and then realizing no, Okay, we're 276 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: gonna we have to give this a shot, we have 277 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: to try, we want each other, and then them getting 278 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: to do that, this is the season I've been the 279 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: most excited about the whole time. Then to finally get 280 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 2: to do it, it was just amazing. And the coming to 281 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 2: the end, I was just like, yeah, I mean, I 282 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 2: hope everyone is ready for what we're gonna give them 283 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 2: about them, yeah, you know, no, No. 284 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: Why did you want that to be the ending? 285 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: Well? I knew I wanted to like have this feeling 286 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: of like when we let them go, that we know 287 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: that like now they are going to go out and 288 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 2: live and they are going to figure stuff out. Everything 289 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: doesn't have to be perfect and there you know, are 290 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 2: still things that they are gonna have to deal with, 291 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 2: but like go and live experience like feel the freedom 292 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 2: in your hair, you know. I mean it is a 293 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 2: bit of a double sided ending in the sense that, 294 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: like I know that a lot of fans have been 295 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 2: hoping that, you know, I'm saying Edwin and Romara but 296 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: we'll will decide, you know, take the throne and be 297 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: this like role model and this symbol for others. And 298 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 2: I think that I couldn't really tell that story because 299 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: even if I think symbols are important and it's important 300 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: to have role models, it's also a huge pressure to 301 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: be put on that pedestal and have to carry an 302 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 2: entire social justice issue on your shoulder. And kids shouldn't 303 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: have to do that. A seventeen year old shouldn't have 304 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: to do that. So I like want them to yeah, 305 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 2: get each other, but then also have this little like Okay, 306 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 2: so wait is this like August, this August goin to 307 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: take the throne? 308 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 3: What does this mean? 309 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 2: Like? But it's also you know, maybe a bit of 310 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 2: a comment from my side on on how these things work. 311 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 2: If you're born into role if you're born into an ethnicity, 312 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: a social class, a sexuality, and things are you know, 313 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 2: for some things are going to go well no matter 314 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: what they do, no matter what mistakes they commit or 315 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 2: what they do to others, they are still going to 316 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: succeed in life. And that's also heartbreaking. 317 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of powerful messages behind what you created, 318 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: and that's what I love about this as well. So 319 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: it seems like they were always endgame in your mind, 320 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: or was there a moment you thought maybe not. 321 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 2: I think actually a lot of people throughout the show 322 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: has pushed for them to not be that in the 323 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 2: sense that, okay, so we're Swedish. Like people in Sweden 324 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 2: like tragedy. It is considered to be the highest form 325 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 2: of art. Sadness is important and it's what makes you know, 326 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 2: Berygman and all are to do, like if like what 327 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 2: could be considered as like a feel good ending. I 328 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 2: think for a lot of people it's like, why would 329 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 2: we do that when you could, you know, leave super 330 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: dramatic and painful kind of like the first season to 331 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: be honest though how it ends. But for me it 332 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 2: was it was just like feeling these characters very early on, 333 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 2: like that's where they are heading. And then of course, 334 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 2: I mean I have thought of every single scenario that 335 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 2: could possibly happen to these like boys and the girls 336 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 2: at the school. You know, once people go like, oh, 337 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 2: you should have done this, so you should have thought 338 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 2: about that, I'm like, I can't. 339 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 3: We did. Like I've had. 340 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 2: These people in my head for five years and I've 341 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 2: always come back to wanting and feeling like hope is 342 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 2: the bravest thing you can do. To have hope, to 343 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 2: wish that things are going to be better, and to 344 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: dare to give up on the things that are hurtful 345 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 2: and that are bad and that are you know, the 346 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 2: institutions and the traditions that we have as a society 347 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 2: that might not of us any longer. That is powerful. 348 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean to throw away at like our 349 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 2: history or anything that we have learned. It's just like 350 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 2: it is brave to take a step forward, and you know, 351 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 2: like so for me, it's just like hope, like Simon 352 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 2: and withiham or hope. And I want anyone who watches 353 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 2: this to feel hopeful, because that's brave. 354 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: That is so beautifully said. I think hope is so 355 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: necessary and needed in our world more than ever right now. 356 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: And that's why I love how you chose to end 357 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: the story. And it's not as much as an ending 358 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: as it is also a new beginning, which makes it 359 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: feel really beautiful and back to your word, very hopeful. 360 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: I imagine there weren't many dry eyes on that last 361 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: day on set. Am I right? 362 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I've I never cried as much in 363 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 2: my life as during this season, both because of the 364 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 2: beauty of it, because like every single take, every single 365 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 2: shot in this season has been brilliant to create and 366 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: to sit behind the monitor and watch. But the last 367 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 2: scene and when especially I think when Omar's like starts crying. 368 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 2: He starts crying in one take and we have a 369 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 2: shot of that, and I could just feel like I 370 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: was standing out we were in a field in the 371 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 2: middle of nowhere, Like we were just out in the 372 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 2: field with a little like camera and a monitor, and 373 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 2: I could I was like maybe like fifty meters away, 374 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: but I could like feel their presence like vibrating from 375 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 2: behind like this alley where they are standing, and I 376 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 2: was just watching the screen being like, yeah, like this 377 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: is it. This is everything for five years that I've 378 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 2: been firing for, Like this is the moment. And I 379 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 2: mean that last scene was beautiful. And also the last 380 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: scene we shot was the when they were down by 381 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 2: the lake and they skin a dip in the night 382 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: and they have this talk, and that was also such 383 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: a beautiful wait for us all to kind of end 384 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 2: this show because it was you know, like it felt 385 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 2: almost religious that night in the forest. It was you know, 386 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 2: the tall tree tops and you could hear the bees 387 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 2: buzzing in this summer night, and they walk down dressed 388 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 2: in white and they undress and they walk down, you know, naked, 389 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 2: into the water, and I was like sitting there, going, 390 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: oh my god, they are being rebirthed. And it almost 391 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 2: feels like, did I write this, did we all? Did 392 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: we all do this together? Like if there's God, this 393 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 2: is it, you know what I mean? And it was. 394 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 2: It was just amazing, And I'm so proud of our 395 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: actors and everyone in the team. Everyone has stepped up 396 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 2: this season in a way that I didn't think it 397 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,719 Speaker 2: was possible because they've already done so well, all of them. 398 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just been absolute blessing. 399 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: It sounds like, and I know it's probably so hard 400 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: to choose and pick, but it sounds like this maybe 401 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: is one of the most special seasons for you because 402 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: of really everything that you've just talked about. 403 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 2: I do think so, also because like I mean, I 404 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 2: love the first season and the second season. I love 405 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 2: them for very different treas since, but I think now 406 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: it was when everything came together. The first season was 407 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 2: like also a struggle kind of we had never done 408 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 2: a Netflix series before I was not on set because 409 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 2: it was COVID, so I was really distant. I felt 410 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 2: really distant from the process in a way. I was 411 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: just getting calls at night being like, instead of shooting 412 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:20,959 Speaker 2: four and a half or five minutes to day, we 413 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 2: were shooting one minute the first few weeks, which is devastating, 414 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: Like you have to take away so much of the story, 415 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 2: and it was really stressful for me and everyone and 416 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 2: you know, health wise for a lot of our colleagues. 417 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 3: It was terrible. 418 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 2: And when we then did the second season, I sat 419 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 2: down with the producers and I was like, we have 420 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 2: to rethink everything to not let this happen again, Like 421 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 2: we're going to be so on point this season. And 422 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 2: we had such a good like talk. We were talking, talking, talking, 423 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 2: went through everything that we wanted to change. We did 424 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 2: that for the second season, but it was also, you know, 425 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 2: a shot in winter, it's horrible in Sweden. I knew 426 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 2: that there was a storyline that some of the fans 427 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 2: were not gonna like it. So I knew that, like, oh, 428 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 2: this response is going to be more mixed. And then 429 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 2: when I came out seat some two and then into 430 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 2: season three, like and I had three new directors. I 431 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 2: never worked with them. We were into ing them, you know, 432 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 2: like I was just like hoping that they would be brilliant, 433 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 2: and then they were, you know, they were so amazing 434 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 2: and creative and like visionary, and I felt so free 435 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 2: creatively and so like, we are gonna make this like 436 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 2: the best effing season. And I'm sure the fans will 437 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 2: have different opinions about what is the best parts and everything, 438 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 2: but for me personally, this was everything and it has 439 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 2: set me up for future projects, being like, oh, this 440 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 2: is how I like to work and this is how 441 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: I want to do it. And I can just hope 442 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 2: that everyone in my industry gets to experience this kind 443 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 2: of collaboration at one point, because it's amazing. 444 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: A reason why I love having brilliant, amazing creators like 445 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: yourself on the show is because the fandom loves these 446 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: characters so much and they've become such a big part 447 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: of their lives and almost like role models or friends, 448 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: and they feel like they know them. And I always 449 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: trace that back to the use of the world and 450 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:23,959 Speaker 1: the people who actually allow that creation to blossom and flourish. 451 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: And it takes a very special person to do that 452 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: and to hear your insights and to hear the things 453 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: that make you proud and really kind of imagining how 454 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: your vision came to life from paper to screen is 455 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: so cool and I think that's something that you must 456 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: be really proud of. 457 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, thank you. 458 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I can't take the credit, mord It's so 459 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 2: many people who have made us what it is. But 460 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 2: it's very nice to get to speak about it because 461 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 2: I think we are all so proud of it. And yeah, 462 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 2: it is very special, like we were saying before, with 463 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: like having this little limited time on earth to get 464 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 2: to tell stories and to work in fiction and to 465 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 2: create worlds within worlds within worlds and getting everyone to 466 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 2: create a world with you, it is what's magical. Like 467 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 2: for me, when I was a kid, I was always 468 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 2: wishing that, you know, I was going to get the 469 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 2: you know, letter to Hogwarts, or that I was going 470 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 2: to step through a Nonia wardrobe, and nothing ever happened. 471 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 2: And then I was like, oh, film and TV series 472 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 2: like that's where you get to do that, or you know, 473 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 2: any other creative expression. And I just feel like, you know, 474 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 2: getting to do this is the biggest privilege and getting 475 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 2: to have an audience that is so invested it's beyond 476 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 2: everything I could ever imagine. 477 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: You know, do you think since this is a story 478 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: so close to your heart and so close to so 479 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: many people's hearts, that down the line there might be 480 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: an opportunity to revisit it in some way, shape or form. 481 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: Is that something that would even interest you in the future. 482 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, for me, it's very important to know 483 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 2: where to put an end to a story if it 484 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 2: has one, if it's not going to be like a 485 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 2: procedural that keeps on going forever. But I'm never going 486 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 2: to say never about anything. You never know. Like, if 487 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 2: there's one thing I've learned, it's to trust the process 488 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 2: and it will take you where you have to go. 489 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 2: And if I wake up in a few years or 490 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 2: someone calls me going, actually I thought about this and 491 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 2: my brain starts working, you never know what could happen. 492 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: And apart from that, I mean, I just get a hope. 493 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 2: I get to continue working with both the talent and 494 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 2: the team, and you know, in future projects and create 495 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: more stories like this for the world. 496 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: That's what I was going to ask you, is this 497 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: genre is telling stories you know, centered around the queer community. 498 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: Or a marginalized community. Is that where you see yourself 499 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: continuing to create your art in or is there something 500 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: totally different you want to do next. 501 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 2: I am going to do some completely different things, but 502 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 2: I think there's a read throughout my projects which I 503 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 2: will let other people decide for me or tell me, 504 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 2: like this is what you're actually telling us. But I 505 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 2: love this genre and next thing I'm gonna write is 506 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 2: actually like a comedy. But the thing is that it 507 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 2: is so inspiring for me also to jump between genres. 508 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 2: So I do have a story which is like in 509 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 2: the same like that I'm going to do further on 510 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 2: which is also about like seventeen year olds, but I 511 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: did feel like I needed a little break from it. 512 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 2: And speaking on the queer community, I mean, this is 513 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 2: the thing like I'm like, what is still my group 514 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 2: of like best friends when I was a teenager and 515 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 2: they met to this queer hangout like teen hang out 516 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 2: in Stockholm, and they have shaped like how I perceive 517 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 2: the world, and they, you know how opened me up 518 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 2: and inspired me and have changed like anything that I 519 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 2: could like think was possible. You know, they twist and 520 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 2: turn everything and so for me, there is not a 521 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 2: single story I could tell if I'm ever going to be, 522 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,959 Speaker 2: you know, talking about any experience that I have myself, 523 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 2: and you always put something of yourself in the script. 524 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 2: So I will probably never do a story without queerness 525 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: in it, because for me, that's just everyday life and 526 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 2: that's what's you know, inspiring and even fun and like 527 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 2: magic in the world, Like queerness is magic, Like that's 528 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 2: why I love it. It's you know, so that's always 529 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 2: going to be present, and it has been present in 530 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 2: all projects I've done. 531 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: Really, Oh, that's so beautifully said, and I can't think 532 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: of a better way to wrap up this conversation. Lisa. 533 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: I so love your creativity. I love your brain, I 534 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: love your passion, I love everything that you stand for. 535 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: And I'm so proud of someone that I just met 536 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 1: for what you created. So thank you for sharing your 537 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: artistry and your gifts with the world. And I really 538 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: look forward to seeing what you do next. 539 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 2: And thank you and likewise, big fan, so happy to 540 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: have gone to speak to you, and I hope we 541 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 2: speak in the future about the next project. 542 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Be well, and again, yes I've 543 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: never said this before. Is hosted by me Tommy Diderio. 544 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: This podcast is executive produced by Andrew Publisi at iHeartRadio 545 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: and by me Tommy, with editing by Joshua Colaudney. 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