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Speaker 1: twenty two, but the almost three months in between were

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Speaker 1: a harrowing experience for Marianna and for the staff. When

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Speaker 1: because of them. In the theater they represent, Marianna doesn't

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Speaker 1: feel safe. She carries a gun on her property even

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Speaker 1: without the wall. The militarization of the border has had

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Speaker 1: a huge impact on the center. If you walk down

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Speaker 2: Have been built. Concrete goes here in the base to

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Speaker 2: the levee or midway in the levee, and then fill

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Speaker 2: for two to three vehicles, and then down here they'll

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Speaker 2: have a high speed all weather road. So we fully

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Speaker 2: the road, the lighting, the sensors, those sorts of things

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Speaker 2: part of the system, and we think the seas are

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Speaker 2: clear and alter this poor system. Otherwise they come down

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Speaker 2: this high speed all weather road have to slow.

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Speaker 3: Down, go up and drive along the canal.

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Speaker 2: And we know the number one killer of border patrol

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Speaker 1: As we walk along one of the roads, we talk

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Speaker 1: tell our story about idea I saw tried to get

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Speaker 1: so desperately sad that I can't forget it. The devastation

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Speaker 1: the border reeks on human life tends to get the

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Speaker 1: watching the wall spread like a cancer of the ecosystem.

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Speaker 2: She loves side the addition of herbicide to you know,

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Speaker 2: keep the enforcement zone dead and free of any vegetation.

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Speaker 2: It has to do with the installation of all night

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Speaker 2: when it eliminates range.

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Speaker 3: Area, When it forms that barrier for land mammals and reptiles,

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Speaker 3: you eliminate genetic diversity from breeding, you eliminate seed distribution,

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Speaker 2: So no, there's no way to build.

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Speaker 1: A wall like tossing in.

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Speaker 2: The lower reo ram value wildlife observation.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the human cost is even higher. Marianna first

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Speaker 1: became aware of exactly what was at stake when she,

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Speaker 1: like millions of other people, opened up her phone learned

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Speaker 1: about the most recent in a string of hate crimes

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Speaker 1: inspired by anti immigrant rhetoric.

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Speaker 2: A very disturbed young man drove from Plano to the

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Speaker 2: and believe that is ultimately what we build. The wall

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Speaker 2: seeks to provoke.

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Speaker 4: Here, the shooter, who openly targeted Mexicans and believed in

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Speaker 4: the great Replacement theory, which is common among white nationalists,

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Speaker 2: After we filed suit against the Department of Homeland Security,

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Speaker 2: we call disaster tourists, people who would show up going

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Speaker 2: Butterfly Center show us where they're going to build our

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Speaker 4: Things seemed to be going well, but then they took

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Speaker 4: The only butterflies we saw were swarming a decomposing body

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Speaker 2: About that same time, police arrested two young men with

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Speaker 2: Adam Woffen in West Texas and they had been stopped

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Speaker 2: And I was here the day the first ones came.

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Speaker 1: The man arrested had outstanding warrants and had been flying

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Speaker 2: We don't know if it was done here or somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, the mission PD officer who is their liaison

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Speaker 1: Soon she was plumbing the parts of the Internet that

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Speaker 2: We were aware of Pizzagate. Yeah, we were aware that

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Speaker 2: a Satanic child you know, sex ring with you know,

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Speaker 2: They know that they have the ability to incite violence

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Speaker 1: In addition to her intelligence gathering, she started taking steps

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Speaker 1: Luckily, she wasn't alone. As soon as people heard about

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Speaker 2: And then in twenty nineteen, like all bets are off.

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Speaker 2: Like I didn't even know rumble existed. I didn't know

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Speaker 2: Course there's the ben Berkwam stuff, and you know, we

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Speaker 4: Let's stop for a second and go into more detail

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Speaker 6: We're down here. We're actually heading down to Benson State

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Speaker 6: We unite with them and say protect the butterflies, Joe,

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Speaker 5: Hey everyone, this is Lindsay Piper Loomis. I'm here with

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Speaker 2: Tell them why?

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Speaker 7: we care about butterflies very much. So I wanted to

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Speaker 7: if we have to protect the butterflies, we need to

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Speaker 7: protect the butterflies. I agree with that, So Biden, why

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Speaker 7: don't you build the wall to protect the butterflies? Yeah,

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Speaker 7: it's really that simple. But my question to this administration

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Speaker 7: and to the National Butterfly Museum.

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Speaker 2: Here, why are you more concerned?

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Speaker 7: Why are you more concerned about butterflies than you are

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Speaker 7: than the little children who are being trafficked right behind

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Speaker 7: this center, And they use the butterfly land to come

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Speaker 7: up through and bring these children who are trafficked and

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Speaker 7: these women who are trafficked. You know, Tom Homan yesterday

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Speaker 7: stories where he's seen a little child where he had

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Speaker 7: to rescue and that one child had over twenty two

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Speaker 7: different people's DNA inside of them. That's disgusting. So as

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Speaker 7: much as I care about butterflies, I can tell you this, Lindsay,

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Speaker 7: I care a lot more about our children and the

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Speaker 7: children who are coming up and being exploited for the

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Speaker 7: different countries by the cartels. That's what I care about.

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Speaker 5: So I've been telling you guys about how children are

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Speaker 5: tattooed according to how they're going to be trafficked or

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Speaker 5: sold into what type of trafficking, organ harvesting, sex, drug

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Speaker 5: and human trafficking. How they use their body they kill them.

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Speaker 5: They use their body cavities to haul drugs across the

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Speaker 5: border till the bodies start decaying. They find the body's decapitated.

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Speaker 5: Told you about the rate trees. But here we actually

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Speaker 5: have a shoe from and this actually this is this is.

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Speaker 7: What so lindsay, this is a little bracelet and there's

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Speaker 7: a little how much money it costs for this person

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Speaker 7: to be brought aside to America from the cartels. The

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Speaker 7: other thing is is that the cartels, when they're getting

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Speaker 7: ready to move children, they call them tickets. So they

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Speaker 7: have no regard for life, they don't care. They'll throw

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Speaker 7: them in the river, they'll leave them in the desert

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Speaker 7: to die, and they call them tickets. That's how disgusting

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Speaker 7: this whole thing is. And America needs to wake up

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Speaker 7: and understand we are at a war with the cartels.

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Speaker 7: We are at a war to save our children.

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Speaker 5: And every so much. Yeah, and every state's a border

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Speaker 5: ste eight and South Carolina's ranked one of the top

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Speaker 5: in the nation for trafficking. Lindsey Piper lymits with Christy Hudgerson, together,

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Speaker 5: we're saving America.

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