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Speaker 1: Welcome in to dag Da. I'm here on December second.

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of Annie Stevens, Bran Sexton, and John Oser

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Speaker 1: are with me today as we talk about the jaguars

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Speaker 1: twenty three to twenty loss to the Texans yesterday, their

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Speaker 1: fifth loss in a row, but perhaps an even bigger

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Speaker 1: loss as their quarterback had taken a hit and was

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Speaker 1: taken out of the big games. We'll start with big

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Speaker 1: thing number one. That's a painful loss. We talk about

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Speaker 1: the loss of the Texans, but really the loss of

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Speaker 1: quarterback Trevor Lawrence. Evan Ingram, one of the first people

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Speaker 1: come to his defense, spoke about it after the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it was just it was a dirty hit.

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Speaker 2: I think obviously those hits always in question. Trad was

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Speaker 2: going down and I just I saw out on my peripheral.

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Speaker 2: I got a pretty clear view of it, and in

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Speaker 2: that moment it just instinct was just just Phil, It's

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Speaker 2: like a clean hit. So I just go stick up

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Speaker 2: from my quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Brian laid hit by linebacker as he's al shah here

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Speaker 1: kicked out of the game. After that, we saw Jarion

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Speaker 1: Jenkins was kicked out after the resulting brawl. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody was surprised by what kicked that off, because

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Speaker 1: I think everyone's immediate reaction to that hit was that

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Speaker 1: it was dirty and it was uncalled for at that

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Speaker 1: time in the game. But just really tough to see

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence in that position it was.

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Speaker 3: And that's easily the most vicious hit that I've seen

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Speaker 3: a Jaguars quarterback take. In two thousand and one, Mark

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Speaker 3: Brunelle took one from a defensive tackle named Gerard Warren

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Speaker 3: who knocked it out cold, and of course he was

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Speaker 3: done and they didn't.

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Speaker 4: Even throw a flag.

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Speaker 3: And so over the last twenty three seasons, the game

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Speaker 3: has evolved. John. You know, he could have thrown his

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Speaker 3: arms out and hit his shoulder pads. He didn't have

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Speaker 3: to come with the forearm that created the vicious hit,

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Speaker 3: and his head bounced back and hit the turf. I

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Speaker 3: heard that he did the fencing position, which is sort

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Speaker 4: The game has changed.

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Speaker 3: They worked hard to keep these sorts of plays out

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Speaker 3: of it to make the game safer for players. You know,

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Speaker 3: we've seen in recent years the whole focus on concussions

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Speaker 3: and the concussion protocol that guy ought to be suspended

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Speaker 3: as long as Trevor Lawrence is out at the very least.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say at the least.

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Speaker 5: You know, in the seventies they talked about the criminal element,

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Speaker 5: and I don't know what his intent was, but it

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Speaker 5: was a form to the head. It was vicious and

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Speaker 5: if you did it on the street, you'd be arrested.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Now, I don't go overboard and say he should never

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Speaker 5: play again, but it was as bad and intent as

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Speaker 5: anything I've seen in thirty years doing the league. So

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Speaker 5: there was a tone to the fight that followed that

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Speaker 5: was different than a normal football fight. This was like

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Speaker 5: a lot of times football fights, you're sitting there and

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Speaker 5: you're hitting pads and you think, well, what are they doing?

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Speaker 5: The Jaguars players, that was out of character in the NFL.

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Speaker 5: I think probably even Texans players probably wouldn't have fought

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Speaker 5: very hard to defend it because when they look at

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Speaker 5: it the bank, what are you doing? Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 5: there's a code in this league where you hit, you

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Speaker 5: intend to maybe take guys out of the game, but

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Speaker 5: you don't try to end careers.

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Speaker 4: And that step way over a line.

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Speaker 5: And I think other players would tell you, even on

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Speaker 4: You don't do that.

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Speaker 3: Listen, the commissioner is going to have something to say

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Speaker 3: about this, Kuy. But I also think that the Players

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Speaker 3: Association should right. The players on the other thirty teams

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Speaker 3: should because if this guy is playing in the NFL, well,

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Speaker 3: your quarterback could be the guy that gets hit, or

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Speaker 3: you could take the dirty shot. At some level, the

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Speaker 3: players have to police themselves through their association because they're

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Speaker 3: the ones that are always and rightfully so on the

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Speaker 3: forefront of players' safety. That's their message. They have to

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Speaker 5: If there's a suspension, which if there's not, something's wrong.

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Speaker 5: It'd be interesting to see how the Players Association usually

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Speaker 5: fights those It'll be interesting because other players have to say,

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Speaker 5: why are we fighting this?

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Speaker 1: This is wrong about protecting themselves. We'll talk a little

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Speaker 1: going to move on to this big thing number two,

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Speaker 1: which is show some fights. We saw some literal fights

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Speaker 1: looked better than we've seen in weeks, and Dog Peterson

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Speaker 6: You know, it's just again, it's unfortunate. It's a it's

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Speaker 6: a play that that really has no you know business

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Speaker 6: being in our in our league. And you know, I

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Speaker 6: thought the officials did a great job of you know,

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Speaker 6: doing the best they could it to get control of it,

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Speaker 6: you know, and all of that. But you know, again,

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Speaker 6: just trying to get again, get in Trevor in in

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Speaker 6: get some you know, some momentum on offense. And obviously

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Speaker 6: you know that happens and it takes a little wind

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Speaker 6: side of that too, Matt came in and he got

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Speaker 6: us back in the football game.

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Speaker 4: So proud of that too.

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Speaker 1: John Trevor was already playing hurt with his left shoulder injury.

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Speaker 1: Obviously left the game with the concussion. He's in the

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Speaker 1: concussion protocol now, but the team responding emotionally, but then

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Speaker 1: also on the field as well. You want to play

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Speaker 1: for Trevor when he's taken out.

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Speaker 5: Of the game. Yeah, I was a little surprised that

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Speaker 5: it went from six to six to twenty three six

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Speaker 5: as fast as in the second half. Uh, that sort

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Speaker 5: of defined the game obviously, but credit to the offense

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Speaker 5: they got him back in it.

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Speaker 4: I thought they did play with fight.

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Speaker 5: I thought they were in a tough situation because the

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Speaker 5: officials in a pool report said they didn't warn players,

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Speaker 5: but players afterwards said the officials made it clearly wasn't

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Speaker 5: gonna be anymore. So you had to sort of play

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Speaker 5: with a balance, which I think is hard. So I

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Speaker 4: That emotion stay in the game.

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Speaker 5: I thought overall they did a good job of staying

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Speaker 5: him for staying in it and almost went in the end.

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Speaker 3: You would have loved to see Cam little connect on

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Speaker 3: that field goal, because then you're only down a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: You're not giving the Texans the fifty five yard field,

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Speaker 3: which you know they went right down and scored. And

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Speaker 3: then maybe Mac Jones in the fourth quarter is able

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Speaker 4: I'll say this.

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Speaker 3: You know he played against the Vikings and the Lions,

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Speaker 3: and we didn't see much at least in.

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Speaker 4: The fourth quarter.

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Speaker 3: You know, he threw for two hundred and thirty five

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Speaker 3: yards and the two touchdowns on those back to back

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Speaker 1: Kai.

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Speaker 3: It's important because you're probably gonna play with him. I

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Speaker 3: mean I would think you're gonna play with him at

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Speaker 3: least this week, probably next week, maybe the rest of

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Speaker 3: the season, depending on what they decided to do with Trevor.

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Speaker 3: So to see him kind of he was early wild

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Speaker 3: early John. You know, he was overthrowing some guys and

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Speaker 3: missing some targets, and to see him settle down and

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Speaker 4: I thought. I thought Brian was gonna say when to

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Speaker 4: stay Camerlon on the fight.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure what they wanted to, but yeah, mac

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Speaker 5: Jones showed why he can be a capable backup with

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Speaker 5: the heart, the awareness. I mean, there was some stuff

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Speaker 5: late that he hadn't sewn in the first two games.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Fun, A big thing today is gonna be playing with pride.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the team's response in the second half

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Speaker 1: of that game, but Brian, going forward, there's less than

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Speaker 1: one percent chance they're going to be making the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: so they're pretty much playing for pride at this point,

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Speaker 1: what does that mean for this team and these players, Well.

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Speaker 3: Its in his professional football and it's about your financial future.

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Speaker 3: So playing for pride means that you put every tape

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, every rep on tape, right, every rep in

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Speaker 3: the practice field, every rep on a game tape.

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Speaker 4: It's not even tape anymore. It's a hard drive, right.

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Speaker 3: But everything you do is scrutinized by both your team

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Speaker 3: and any team that might look to sign you. So

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Speaker 3: for guys who want to be professional football players, this

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Speaker 3: is the time.

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Speaker 4: John.

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Speaker 3: If you're going to sign a guy from the Jaguars

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Speaker 3: from the twenty twenty fourteen, you're gonna go look at

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Speaker 3: these games when things aren't going well. How did he respond?

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Speaker 3: How did he play? Was the effort there? Or Playing

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Speaker 3: with pride means playing for yourself in that sense.

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Speaker 5: And maybe as important is acting with pride meaning a

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Speaker 5: coach's talk, players talk. You can look okay on tape

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Speaker 5: and not be playing within the scheme, be sort of

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Speaker 5: quitting in the locker room if you will, and playing selfishly.

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Speaker 4: So that's part of it too.

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Speaker 5: That's always to me sort of the danger in this

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Speaker 5: time of year when guys go off script and try

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Speaker 5: to play hero ball, so that's part of being a professional. Look,

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Speaker 5: I think these guys will stick together as much as

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Speaker 5: you can. I think from an adrenaline or from an

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Speaker 5: inside motivation point of view. It's hard to have what

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Speaker 5: I call like that extra one percent at the top.

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Speaker 4: But I guess the schedule gets easier, so that's something,

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Speaker 1: Stay with us here on jagxam. Coming up after the break,

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Speaker 1: we'll look at some of the tape from yesterday's game

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Speaker 7: Sports very emotional, especially when something like that happens, and

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Speaker 7: we definitely came together as a team and fought hard,

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Speaker 7: you know, for Trevor came up short at the end,

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Speaker 7: but I feel like the guys responded, and obviously Trevor's

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Speaker 7: we moved forward and tried to win it.

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Speaker 1: For Trevor mac Jones talking about coming into the game

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Speaker 1: and that hit on Trevor Lawrence and the emotions that

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Speaker 1: it sparked the entire team.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna go over.

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Speaker 1: Some of the highlights from yesterday and we're gonna look

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Speaker 1: at that brawl. We're gonna look at that hit just

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Speaker 1: one time, because I've seen it enough. I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: guys don't need to see it again. We're gonna watch

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Speaker 1: it once and then we're gonna talk about kind of

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Speaker 1: what happened afterwards, because I think that's very telling, especially

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Speaker 1: a team that we regard as the Jaguars, which are

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Speaker 1: pretty measured, not overly emotional. We don't see a lot

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Speaker 1: of dumb stuff, but that was a visceral reaction, and

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Speaker 1: I you can't blame Evan Ingram whatsoever because that was

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean yes, that that all you I expected

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Speaker 4: They weren't jumping in there. Well there.

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Speaker 5: the Jaguars players reacted as if there was intent to

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Speaker 4: That was like a hockey fight side and.

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Speaker 1: Then it restarted because he didn't when he was kicked

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Speaker 4: It came after Brant and Sheriff, which would have gone badly. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So you want to do this, right, let's do this.

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Speaker 3: You loved to see the fight. You hated the reason

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Speaker 3: If you get a chance, and you will see it.

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Speaker 3: There's an end zone view of Trevor running and sliding

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Speaker 4: No, no, that's not who we are.

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Speaker 1: Well, it also says something about the Texans, and we've

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Speaker 1: So clearly that's something that you're unintentionally endorsing.

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Speaker 3: Two things that stood out, One the way that they

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Speaker 3: That's important because you can't let these guys think they're

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Speaker 4: Here we go. It was interesting. I don't play too

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Speaker 5: A the Jaguars clearly were pointed and had been told

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Speaker 4: Look, they're gonna start put throwing people out of the

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Speaker 5: The Texans players, even after that brawl, they had no

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Speaker 3: It was he's a captain, you know, he has a

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Speaker 4: Chest, Well, then then that's pathetic, not good.

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Speaker 3: That's the first thing I would do if I were

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Speaker 1: Right now, let's skip over Texans touchdowns. Will move past that,

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Speaker 3: Well, I think he's a guy that they identified last

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Speaker 3: It was great to see.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a player.

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Speaker 5: He's going to get as much as he can from

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Speaker 3: Really incredibly important for you know, he's a guy, he's

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Speaker 1: Let's talking a little bit of a Brian Thomas Junior've

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Speaker 5: From him recently. Well, it's hard as rocky wide receiver.

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Speaker 4: Coaches to talk about that a lot. When you're three

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Speaker 5: It's hard to get to the plays in the situations

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when you work with words worth of your work.

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Speaker 5: I've heard you know, the fact that he's doing it

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Speaker 4: He's a rock star. Listen.

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Speaker 3: I like that he got open on two deep balls. Now,

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of okay players on this team who

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Speaker 1: All right, stay with us. We're gonna give you our

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Speaker 6: The type of player that he that he is to

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Speaker 1: And we're going to do our firehouse subs hot takes Brian.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm going in. So I think it's a good

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Speaker 3: So it's a good move for the Jaguars because it's

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Speaker 5: we have somebody in house who can do this. We

442
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Speaker 5: don't want to be deficient at this position. Also, Trent

443
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 5: has said in the past, Trent Balkey, he doesn't negotiate

444
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Speaker 5: during the season, and so he resigns this guy. So

445
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Speaker 5: that is going to create noise. I think it was

446
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,840
Speaker 5: the right move to push through that noise, right, and hey,

447
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Speaker 5: I'm sure Trent knew I'm going to hear about that

448
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,880
Speaker 5: because I've said it. But we need to do this.

449
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Speaker 5: I don't think it means anything about what happens after

450
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Speaker 5: the season. I don't know what's going to happen after

451
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Speaker 5: the season. But I don't think this move is necessarily

452
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Speaker 5: the harbinger that people think it is.

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Speaker 3: It isn't who made the decision as important is that

454
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Speaker 3: how the decision was made and what they did, and

455
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Speaker 3: in those categories, it was a good move for a

456
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Speaker 3: football team. I get it, I want the offensive line

457
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Speaker 3: to play a much more physical style of play, but

458
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Speaker 3: let's be honest, that mostly comes from the left guard

459
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Speaker 3: to the right tackle. Your left tackle is more of

460
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Speaker 3: a finesse player unless you have a Tony Boselli. So

461
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Speaker 3: they can still improve this offensive line, and they better

462
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Speaker 3: do that. I just think Walker Little gives you something

463
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Speaker 3: you can work with, as opposed to saying, you know what,

464
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Speaker 3: let's move Anton Harrison over. He's only played right tackle,

465
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Speaker 3: and we're going to move Javon Foster. Javon Foster anyone

466
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Speaker 3: fourth round pick from Missouri, right, Yeah, I mean I

467
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Speaker 3: think he's a talented guy. But this is something that

468
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Speaker 3: you can count on no matter who you are, who

469
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Speaker 3: the offensive line coaches, who the head coaches, who the

470
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Speaker 3: general manager is. It's a good move for the Jaguars

471
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Speaker 3: roster and salary cap.

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Speaker 1: Hot takes for you, John to I'm going to remind

473
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Speaker 1: you it was virtual elimination and fitting fashion.

474
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Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, the elimination AFC South, which in their scenarios,

475
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Speaker 5: if there was a path and it was a path

476
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Speaker 5: with a lot of obstacles on it. Anyway, it was

477
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Speaker 5: the Ac South look. Sort of the same things bit him.

478
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Speaker 5: If you take the Trevor play out of it and

479
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Speaker 5: just look at it. They started slow offensively in the

480
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Speaker 5: big moments in the second half when it was six

481
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 5: to six for the game is in the balance, three

482
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Speaker 5: straight touchdown drives by the Texans, and then at the

483
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 5: end again what would have been harping on all season, big

484
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 5: play at the big moment, third and four, couldn't stop

485
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Speaker 5: tang Dell. It sort of felt fitting that this team

486
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Speaker 5: would lose a five point or less game decided in

487
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Speaker 5: the last two minutes where they fought, which they fought

488
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Speaker 5: all year in this situation.

489
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Speaker 4: Couldn't quite close it.

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Speaker 5: If the door was gonna get shut, it may as

491
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Speaker 5: well get shut in the way it's been shut all year.

492
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Speaker 3: And you know, it's technically still that much open. If

493
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Speaker 3: the drag Wars went out and the Broncos lose out right,

494
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Speaker 3: the minute the Broncos win a game, it is absolutely

495
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Speaker 3: slammed in a field probably Monday night football. Absolutely, Yeah,

496
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Speaker 3: all of the reasons that you laid out there. They

497
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Speaker 3: came out of the two minute warning facing third down

498
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Speaker 3: and four, and they knew what was coming. They knew

499
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Speaker 3: by formation, and they knew what Mixon was gonna do.

500
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Speaker 3: They talked about it, they knew, and they gave up

501
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Speaker 3: eight yards. They didn't give up four, they gave up eight.

502
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Speaker 3: That's been the problem all year, in those big moments

503
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Speaker 3: where you need this defense to power.

504
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Speaker 4: Up, they didn't.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't get it done. Mine is a little bit in

506
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Speaker 1: response to maybe something I already felt or knew. Evan

507
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Speaker 1: Ingram is the ultimate teammate to me. We've known that

508
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Speaker 1: off the field, how he is as a person, good guy,

509
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: award in the locker room, a great teammate his career

510
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Speaker 1: year last year. But his immediate response to Trevor Lawrence,

511
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Speaker 1: if you didn't have a visceral reaction, I really can't

512
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Speaker 1: relate to you because that was my visceral reaction to

513
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Speaker 1: see Evan Ingram defend his quarterback. That's someone you want

514
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Speaker 1: to build a team around. That's someone you can relate

515
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Speaker 1: to and listen. I'm not going to condone violence or whatnot,

516
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Speaker 1: but I mean that is a response that I feel,

517
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Speaker 1: in a physical game of football, is warranted. In twenty

518
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Speaker 1: twenty four, when it hit like that isn't allowed anymore,

519
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: and it's not something the league allows, and they want

520
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: to take out of the game. And that was a

521
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 1: fitting response from your teammate. And I would be proud

522
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Speaker 1: to be on a team with them any one percent.

523
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Speaker 3: And listen, we used to say football was a violent game.

524
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 3: Now we say it's a physical game, right for all

525
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 3: the connotations that come with that. It's not a nice game.

526
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Speaker 3: And when you get a hit like that, the nice

527
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 3: side of Ingram, the not nice side of every player

528
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Speaker 3: has got to come out. If you don't have that

529
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Speaker 3: not nice side, I'm not sure I want you on

530
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Speaker 3: my team. I need you to play with an edge,

531
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Speaker 3: with an anger, and when someone does that to one

532
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Speaker 3: of your teammates, that anger better comes pouring out like

533
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Speaker 3: a water phone.

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Speaker 4: I get. The head coach afterwards was very measured, and.

535
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Speaker 3: He talked about guys not coming off the sidelines, and

536
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Speaker 3: I get all that, But if Doug hadn't seen what

537
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Speaker 3: he saw, he would have been at the podium afterwards going, hey,

538
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Speaker 3: where were we that's our quarterback?

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: If that doesn't bring out something in you, I just

541
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Speaker 1: can't relate to that.

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Speaker 4: I can't tell here.

543
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Speaker 5: And I thought Evan handled it all well, meaning there

544
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 5: were and I think even me two a degree is like, hey, retaliate,

545
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Speaker 5: go get somebody.

546
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Speaker 4: There are fans who are feeling.

547
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Speaker 5: That, oh, why didn't the Jaguars draw eight personal foul

548
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 5: penalties in the second half? And well Evan said after

549
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 5: the game, look, we're still trying to win the game. Yeah,

550
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Speaker 5: So to have gone more than they did, I think

551
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Speaker 5: would have been irresponsible as stands any fan watching that.

552
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Speaker 5: I don't know how uch NFL you watched, but that

553
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 5: fight extended. I mean, that kept going. You can't deny

554
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Speaker 5: that it was an emotional reaction and that it was

555
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Speaker 5: something more than your normal football fight. So I don't

556
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Speaker 5: think the Jaguars responded passively in any way to that

557
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Speaker 5: thing yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Listen, I think Doug's only complained with Jerry and Jones

559
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Speaker 3: coming off the sideline and swinging.

560
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Speaker 4: That's a bit. Other than that.

561
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Speaker 3: He had to be thrilled with what he saw from

562
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Speaker 3: his reaction.

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Speaker 1: To season fight, especially at this point in the season.

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Speaker 1: As we talked about, you know, at this point there's

565
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Speaker 1: not a lot to fight, but you're gonna fight for

566
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: your guy no matter what. Say, let's we'll talk a

567
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Speaker 1: little bit about what's coming up the rest of the

568
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Speaker 1: week here on.

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Speaker 2: You can still be a dog and you can still

575
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Speaker 2: whip somebody and be this one. That's That's kind of

576
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Speaker 2: what our message was was do it the right way.

577
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Speaker 2: We know what we wanted to do, we know how

578
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 2: that made us feel, but it's our job to do

579
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Speaker 2: it the right way so we could keep our heads

580
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Speaker 2: and stay in the game. So no, I think there's

581
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Speaker 2: still there's still a way to handle something, but doing

582
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Speaker 2: it the right way and having discipline in that.

583
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Speaker 1: I think I'm talking about getting your get back, but

584
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Speaker 1: then still trying to win that game. As we mentioned,

585
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 1: going about it the right way, as they showed some

586
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Speaker 1: passion fight for their quarterback after that incident when Trevor

587
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: Lawrence was taken out of the game and we finally

588
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: saw something out of the offense, which was good because

589
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Speaker 1: it's going forward. More than likely we're gonna see Mac

590
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Speaker 1: Jones at least for a little bit here.

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Speaker 3: I thought it spoke well of Doug Peterson and his

592
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 3: staff that they didn't go crazy and start swinging out Again.

593
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Speaker 3: Going back to the nineties, I can remember a couple

594
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 3: of games where guys were thrown out, multiple guys thrown out,

595
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: and that gets coaches fired. I mean, that's embarrassing when

596
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 3: your team can't play.

597
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 4: So a lot of respect for the way.

598
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Speaker 3: That they handled it, in the fact that Evan Ingram

599
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 3: was there in the locker room and very measured, and

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Speaker 3: all the players were very measured. By the way Travon

601
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 3: Walker same thing. I mean, everybody kept it. They didn't

602
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Speaker 3: let their emotion out afterwards, which was good to see.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I talked to Treyvon on the way out of the

605
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Speaker 5: locker room after he got the podium, and I was like,

606
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 5: as a hit, he goes, Yeah, there was stuff I

607
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 5: wanted to say that I didn't and I only say

608
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 5: that in it. They didn't want to react on camera,

609
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 5: they didn't want to turn it into a thing, but

610
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 5: there was Again, it was different. There was an anger

611
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Speaker 5: and an acknowledgment of that was wrong and out that

612
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Speaker 5: was outside of the rules of the.

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Speaker 4: Game and outside of the ethics.

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Speaker 3: Of the game, I think, and the Players Association has

615
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Speaker 3: to come down hard on him.

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Speaker 1: I think that's something that lingers as well. I don't

617
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: want to speak too much into it because I know

618
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: players leave teams and what long. But that's something people

619
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: that'll stick in your mind, and it's the fan base

620
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: will stick with but it's also teams and players that

621
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: are here that sticks with you. And when you have

622
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: rivalries like this, you know, I go back to Baseball,

623
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Speaker 1: Red Sox, Yankees, whatever it is, those things linger and

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Speaker 1: it continues. And not advocating for more violence, but I'm

625
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: just saying that the tenacity of those games will change.

626
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Speaker 1: I think going forward.

627
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Speaker 3: Curious how the Texans handle it. I have a lot

628
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 3: of respect for Dmiico Ryans. I think he's an excellent coach.

629
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Speaker 3: Be interesting to see what they do.

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Speaker 1: Something to keep an eye on this week. We'll see

631
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Speaker 1: if there's any fines or suspensions in terms of that

632
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: hit on Trevor Lawrence. And we'll also see whether Trevor

633
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: Lawrence what his status will be the rest of the season.

634
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: He was already dealing with a shoulder injury and now

635
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: in concussion protocol. So we will be back with you

636
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: on Wednesday to talk a little bit about that, and

637
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: then the upcoming game in Tennessee this week