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Speaker 1: a big play by Rodrigo. Welcome to the twenty Men

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Speaker 1: in the Huddle podcast. I am senior writer Tim Twentyman

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Speaker 1: and it's the bye week and being so, I've taken

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Speaker 1: People want to see offense and if they think that

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Speaker 1: which is kind of crazy to think, because the Lions

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Speaker 1: the negatives on defense, But when you looked at the

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Speaker 1: titality the first five games, what jumped out to you, Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I think we already mentioned it in the lack of takeaways,

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Speaker 1: only two forced fumbles, two interceptions on the season, seven

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Speaker 1: sacks slack third that ranks third last in the league.

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Speaker 1: It's just not enough pressure being generated up front to

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Speaker 1: put quarterbacks in more difficult situations, make them throw the

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Speaker 1: ball into bad spots so that the secondary can maybe

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Speaker 1: even some linebackers get get get the ball to an

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Speaker 1: Anteloni's hands, so they can, you know, really benefit off

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Speaker 1: those and pick up some interceptions for even some pass breakups.

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Speaker 1: Seven sacks third fewest in the league. Aidan Hutchinson has

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Speaker 1: three of those. Three of them. Come on, spread the love,

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Speaker 1: come on, yeah right. I was talking to defensive end

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Speaker 1: Charles Harris in weeks two through what two, three, four

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Speaker 1: or five weeks two through like six last year he

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Speaker 1: was able to record a sack four weeks in a row.

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Speaker 1: That is extremely difficult to do, and he's proven how

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Speaker 1: difficult it is because he's not doing it again this year.

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Speaker 1: And I told him that that stat existed a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks ago. He's like, I didn't even know that existed,

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Speaker 1: and he was kind of he was kind of impressed

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Speaker 1: with himself because it's very hard to do. So I

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Speaker 1: think as long as they and Charles Hayr set out

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Speaker 1: against New England, he was inactive with an injury, so

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Speaker 1: you hope you get him back to generate some more

452
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Speaker 1: pressure you have hutch keeps coming along and is everything

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Speaker 1: that he was in Michigan. Here in the league, it's

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Speaker 1: very difficult to do that as well. But it's a

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Speaker 1: lack of turnovers for me, and for me, it's you

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Speaker 1: talked about the big plays on offense, but there's the

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Speaker 1: big place on defense too. I mean, you look at

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Speaker 1: opponents twenty five rushes of ten plus yards most in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, eight rushes of twenty plus yards most in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, eighty eight total plays of ten plus yards

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Speaker 1: most in the NFL, twenty five plays of twenty plus

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Speaker 1: yards fourthmost in the NFL. So it's just it's these

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Speaker 1: chunk plays, these big plays that turned fields, you know,

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Speaker 1: field position over that are obviously demoralizing for defense. I

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Speaker 1: just think they've got to shore up. They've got to

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Speaker 1: make teams move the football and methodically move the football

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Speaker 1: down the field more consistently. Yes, then you have the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to do a sack like you talked about, to

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Speaker 1: get your hand on a football and turn the ball over.

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Speaker 1: When when you've got these four or five six play

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Speaker 1: drives for seventy yards, because there's so many explosives in there,

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Speaker 1: there's just not those opportunities you've got to make teams.

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Speaker 1: If teams are going to score, it's got to be ten, eleven,

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Speaker 1: twelve plays. Who are your methodically making them? You know,

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Speaker 1: convert third downs and do some of these big things

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Speaker 1: that they haven't been able to do in my opinion

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Speaker 1: the first five weeks. And I think that's one of

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Speaker 1: been one of the big problems with this defense. You

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Speaker 1: you you brought up the sax and getting after the

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Speaker 1: quarterback at seven or the third fewest, the most in

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Speaker 1: the NFL San Francisco twenty one, twenty one verse seven.

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Speaker 1: Guess who's second The team you're gonna face Week seven,

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys with twenty so they can get after the

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Speaker 1: quarterback two sols is my fantasy football defense twenty two

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Speaker 1: points last week. They're not gonna be your fantasy defense

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Speaker 1: week seven, are they. I don't have any No, I'm

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Speaker 1: not picking up another defense. Wow, I don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: look at the Fantasy football app during games, but I

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Speaker 1: did so is this some my pather? Danny Rodgers is

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Speaker 1: hoping that Dallas defense has a great day with absolutely

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Speaker 1: listen Minnesota. I was like, Greg Joseph's not having a

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Speaker 1: good day like day, He's not having a good day.

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Speaker 1: I did happen to look at my fantasy football roster.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you for having Dallas. Those twenty sacks

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Speaker 1: are giving you some points there can beat you last

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Speaker 1: week because we weren't. Literally I only one last week

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Speaker 1: because Dallas scored twenty two points. Have you won last

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Speaker 1: week because Travis Kelsey had four touchdowns? Let's be honest

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Speaker 1: about it, one million percent. But I only needed two,

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Speaker 1: So I'm good steel bitter about that. I almost uninvited

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Speaker 1: you on the should you should have the first place too? No,

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Speaker 1: I know now I'm clear ahead. What East Division? I'm

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Speaker 1: h fantasy? All right, let's go to special teams? Really?

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Speaker 1: All right? Special teams? Something we've liked about special teams?

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Speaker 1: For me, Um, it's the punny you know obviously, Jack

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Speaker 1: Fox with the average, the net average, and their ability

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Speaker 1: to cover kicks haven't allowed any really big returns, no

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Speaker 1: huge explosive place that ben consistent punting the football. That

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Speaker 1: to me has been the real positive on special teams.

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Speaker 1: So what about you? I love Collie Freeman and I

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Speaker 1: remember we talking about it. Um, what are the season

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Speaker 1: under the helmet? He did, by the way, right, great human,

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Speaker 1: great human, and our producer puts those together as also

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Speaker 1: another great human um Collie Freeman. I remember coming into

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Speaker 1: this because running back Godwin Aguibuk was released from the

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Speaker 1: Shat Lions are like, oh my god, who's who's gonna

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Speaker 1: return return balls with Calif and Raymond took over punt

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Speaker 1: and kick returns and he crushed it. Yeah, and then

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Speaker 1: you moved Maurice Alexander in there, who was just released

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Speaker 1: by the Lions um to also return balls, and you

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Speaker 1: weren't getting that explosiveness. Who were from Collie Freeman? You

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Speaker 1: just weren't. He's he's a workhorse. I was wondered why

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Speaker 1: they didn't just put him back. I mean, he was

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Speaker 1: so explosive. He had the what third highest punt return average,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, GK. You know, returning punts and returning

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Speaker 1: kicks are obviously different, but he's so he might be

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Speaker 1: one of the fastest guys. He is the fastest guy

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Speaker 1: on the team. He's explosive, he's small, he's elusive. He

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Speaker 1: can get under, you know, behind some guys, maybe you

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Speaker 1: lose him. I always wonder why he just didn't do both,

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Speaker 1: you know, and he had one kickoff return here, so

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Speaker 1: far fifty two yards seems to work. And then punting um,

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Speaker 1: he's returned eight for sixty two yards, so in an

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Speaker 1: average about eight yards a punt return. Longest is twelve.

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Speaker 1: It's just he would have those explosive ones in there

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Speaker 1: and you're like, just leave him in there. But no mistakes, right,

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Speaker 1: like mistakes. You never worry about Calif back there, that

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Speaker 1: he's going to drop a football, and I mean that's

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Speaker 1: that's job number one. Yes, any special teams coach will say, hey,

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Speaker 1: if we get a great return, that's great. If we

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Speaker 1: get anything positive, that's the plus. But first and foremost,

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Speaker 1: catch the football fumbles, be sure handed, get the ball

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Speaker 1: to your offense. And Cliff is that Yeah, And that's

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Speaker 1: why he's he's been able to be in this league

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Speaker 1: for now six seasons and kind of go under the

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Speaker 1: radar um because of his special teams. He's good skills. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: keep him there, leave there, he's doing great. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: guess that are negative with special teams. Might cross pass

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Speaker 1: be similar be on the same parallel to directory here,

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Speaker 1: which go with going into this season, there was a

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Speaker 1: kicker competition. You thought you had two pretty good options

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Speaker 1: and to be very fair. I thought Austin Siebert beat

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Speaker 1: out Riley Patterson in the preseason. I was charging it

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Speaker 1: and just in practice he was the most consistent kicker,

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Speaker 1: No doubt there is I Yes, the fan fans loved

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Speaker 1: job Patterson. Yes, and now boy five weeks in, huh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't even have We looked at Patterson's stats here

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Speaker 1: and oh, I don't think you want to are they

559
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Speaker 1: really good? He's nine to ten feel now, he doesn't

560
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Speaker 1: have a big leg, so you know some of those

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00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: fifty fifty four four time showing that it's fine. But

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Speaker 1: do you think that part of that reason that Dan

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Speaker 1: Campbell is even more aggressive? And look, he's aggressive by nature,

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Speaker 1: he's had been to that, but the fact that you

565
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Speaker 1: don't have confidence in your kicker, and that was certainly

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Speaker 1: the case last week on that fourth and nine play

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Speaker 1: before going into this that there was an off and

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Speaker 1: I watched him in the pregame warmups on both sides

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Speaker 1: and he was kicking fifty yarders. Now the win may

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Speaker 1: have been different. Maybe there's something there. Obviously they've got

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Speaker 1: all the information. I'm just watching from the press box

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Speaker 1: and watching him kicks some fifty fyards, you know, going

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Speaker 1: each way. Um, but man, he's been around the league

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Speaker 1: for a while. He was four for four in Chicago's

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Speaker 1: got a career long fifty nine. Yeah, maybe there was,

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Speaker 1: you know, he was working through something. Maybe there was

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Speaker 1: just that's the tunnel end of Gillette Stadium. Maybe it

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Speaker 1: was something weird there. Dan said he had a number

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Speaker 1: and he didn't feel good about that number. But boy,

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Speaker 1: if you don't feel good about thirty two yards in

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Speaker 1: a forty nine yard field goal, you got to keep

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Speaker 1: you for more kickers, which they just signed another one

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Speaker 1: to the practice squad, so she'll see how that works out.

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Speaker 1: But they've got to figure that out. They do. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're lying in a spot out and maybe draft one.

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Speaker 1: Right are we talking about drafting kickers? I mean you've

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Speaker 1: got to. I mean Matt Prader was so consistent for

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Speaker 1: so long, and Jason Hansen before that, and they've just

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Speaker 1: that's been the one spots for that and Eddie Murray

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Speaker 1: before that. It's just like there's there's been so much

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Speaker 1: consistency at that spot that it's it's really weird to

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Speaker 1: be in a situation where now you're just week to week,

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Speaker 1: you don't know, you don't have a lot of confidence.

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Speaker 1: You're having to alter your strategy because of it. Look,

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Speaker 1: I've always said there's two things, and this is just

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Speaker 1: my own personal thing, but if I'm running a team

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Speaker 1: or if I'm a general manager or something, there's two

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Speaker 1: things I don't you know, maybe try to catch a

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Speaker 1: deal on catch backup quarterbacks and kickers. You spend money

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Speaker 1: on backup quarterbacks and kickers because those are two guys.

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Speaker 1: And you're seeing some of the situation with the Lions

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Speaker 1: that you know you can get into if you if

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Speaker 1: you don't have that guy, that consistent guy, you can

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Speaker 1: be looking for that every week and if you're starting

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Speaker 1: quarterback goes down Gino Smith Hello, good all? I mean

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Speaker 1: or you're you know, you're you're in a situation where

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Speaker 1: you're counted to be the guy when you haven't been before.

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Speaker 1: Who's the guy in Dallas from Central Michigan University Cooper Rush? Right?

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Speaker 1: You know, having that guy that can step in, be

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Speaker 1: experienced and you know when you a game or two,

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Speaker 1: like like Cooper's done, like Gino's shown he can do.

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Speaker 1: You know as a career backup, I just backup quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: and kickers. Spend the money on those guys. They're worth it.

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Speaker 1: So obviously one and four isn't the start they wanted

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Speaker 1: to So they're going to do a deep dive here

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Speaker 1: during the during the bye week, and then they've got Dallas,

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Speaker 1: they've got Miami, and they've got Green Bay. It's an

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Speaker 1: important stretch and I think they've got to start playing

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Speaker 1: a little more complimentary football. That's my biggest take from

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Speaker 1: the first five which your biggest take from the first

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Speaker 1: five weeks on which you want to see coming out

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Speaker 1: of the You've got to figure out the defensive rotation

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Speaker 1: and who fits best on that defensive end. Got to

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Speaker 1: figure it out. You've got a couple games on your

625
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Speaker 1: belt where you have drastically changed personnel on that side

626
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Speaker 1: of the ball. You should be able to see what

627
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: works what doesn't. And then like come week seven, game six,

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Speaker 1: for these lines, just come out of the gate, run

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Speaker 1: in with who you know is going to be able

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Speaker 1: to lay Oh. Trust the te word is huge, yea.

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Speaker 1: Who you know, who you trust, and who you know

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Speaker 1: can go out there and handle whatever situation. I think

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Speaker 1: week seven like guns a blazing come out. You should

634
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Speaker 1: know exactly who you need on the defensive end. It's

635
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Speaker 1: a big three week stretch huge, You've got to turn

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Speaker 1: this around or else. My goal of the whole time,

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Speaker 1: and I've said it to on this podcast a lot,

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Speaker 1: just be playing meaningful games. In December, did do that.

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Speaker 1: Now they've got to have a good rest of us

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Speaker 1: right now, right now, now, it's critical time they put

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Speaker 1: themselves in a hole. Yeah, I don't think you've come out.

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Speaker 1: If you come out of October lesson two wins, it's

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Speaker 1: very hard to claire with that. Well, I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: able to enjoy sitting on my couch and watching football

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Speaker 1: Saturday out a football game, Um, Michigan Penn State. That'll

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Speaker 1: be a good one. And then kind of wedding Beavers casuling,

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Speaker 1: wedding string show. Yeah, good friends, family, Oh there's a

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Speaker 1: family wedding. Well, I'm glad that you could come on

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Speaker 1: and enjoin me. Thank you can talk a little football,

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Speaker 1: appreciate Yeah, it's been fun. So no Lions this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy watching the rest of the league and we will

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Speaker 1: be back next week with another Twentyman in the Huddle podcast.

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Speaker 1: We'll be talking to everything Dallas. We'll have some players on, UM,

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Speaker 1: we'll get a Dallas Beat writer on and then you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously PJ Clark and I'll break it down from Dallas

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Speaker 1: next Sunday. So again, thanks for joining me. Thank you, Timothy,