WEBVTT - Alien Encounters with Neil deGrasse Tyson 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.800 Okay, guys, here are my dates for the High and 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:04.760 Mighty Tour. In June, i will be in Saratoga Springs, 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:08.200 New York, port Chester, New York. I'm coming to Boston 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:11.559 at the Wang Theater. I'll be in Portland, Oregon, Seattle, 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:16.920 and then Hyannis, Massachusetts, and then two shows in Nantucket. 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:21.360 In August, you can find me in Red Bank, New Jersey, Montclair, 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:25.239 New Jersey, and Calgary. That's Canada. And September I will 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:28.680 be in Santa Barbara, San Diego, New York City, Philly, 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:37.440 and New Haven, Connecticut. October is Atlanta, Baltimore, Saginaw, Michigan, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Boise, Idaho, 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:41.200 and Spokane. And then in November I'll be in San Francisco. 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:44.840 I'm coming to Salt Lake City, Austin, Houston, Dallas, Babies, 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:47.760 I'll be there. And then in December, I am closing 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:51.199 out my tour in Denver and Vancouver. So get your 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:54.520 tickets at Chelseahandler dot com for the High and Mighty Tour. 0:00:56.080 --> 0:01:02.840 Hi Catherine, Hi Chelsea. It's almost Thursday. It's our podcast 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:03.640 is Thursday. 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:05.759 I have to tell you, I don't know if anyone 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:06.640 can hear in the background. 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:08.959 That's my new dog. That's my new dog, ray J. 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:11.840 I have to tell you hist as usual. 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:14.200 I asked you, like, oh, why did you pick ray 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:16.560 J for the name? And Brad later that night, like 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:18.959 ten pm, was like in the other room, he texted me, 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:21.160 he goes. Just so you know, ray J is a rapper. 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.440 I'm famil. I saw this dog and I'm like, that's rage. 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:32.120 That dog reminds me of the name. It's a perfect name. Yeah, 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:33.080 it is. It is. 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:33.640 Well. 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:36.360 Our guest today is a very exciting one. 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:41.640 Okay is an astrophysicist, best selling author, host of Star Talk, 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:45.759 and director of the Hayden Planetarium at the American Museum 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:49.680 of Natural History. Please welcome Neil de grasse Tyson. Oh 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:52.240 lovely we Neil. 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:57.280 Hello, this is your babe. Cave here is. 0:01:59.040 --> 0:01:59.960 That the babe? 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:01.440 This sounds better than a man cave? 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:03.920 No, that does sound like? That does sound better? We 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:05.200 need we need something like that. 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:06.960 All parts of you up there on the wall. 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:09.840 We do. When was the last time I'm going to 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:14.280 take some medication? Since you're here, so you waited when 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:18.440 I'm doing it's nothing too exciting, Otherwise I'd be happy 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:20.720 to share when was the last time I saw you? 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:22.000 I was on your show. 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:25.119 It was the Netflix show was the last time, but before. 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:27.480 That lately seen. I don't think i've seen you since then. 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.000 No, no, I would have been the Netflix show was 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:32.640 the last time, but we have I interviewed you before 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:34.919 then also, I think so and Chelsea lately. 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:39.280 But but it's been too long, pre covid BC, before COVID. 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:40.959 How did COVID treat you? 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:44.560 I was novid until like a couple of octobers ago. 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:46.679 So yeah, I didn't get it at all. Yeah, you 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:47.920 know I want to do that too, can I do? 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:53.480 Yeah, Chris Cross Applesauce get into it. That you could 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:57.280 get into this position. That's pretty impressive for a man. Oh, 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:00.960 Neil de grass Tyson. Look at this, Let's see how 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.360 it needs it? Do you need a pillow to secure 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:03.840 the area? 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:04.400 Need? 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.760 Okay, okay, we'll do it. We'll do it with you. 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.000 Look, we're all sitting like I was a performing a 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:13.560 member of three different dance companies. 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:14.720 I did not know that. 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.919 Yeah, so there's nothing like being in dance shape because 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:22.600 you're nimble and strong and flexible, and so I would 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:24.160 just fold up whoever I was and. 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:26.919 Yeah, well, I'm glad to see it's still working. 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:28.240 Doesn't come. 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.239 Well, that's okay. I think you're doing a good job. 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:32.280 It's good, but it's a couch for that purpose. 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:34.880 Yeah, yeah, it is. Congratulations on your new book. It's 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.960 called Take Me to Your Leader, Perspectives on your First 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:40.680 Alien Encounter. When is this going to happen? 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:43.760 I can't wait? Well, I mean it's overdue. 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:46.360 First of all, there's really I mean everything used. I'm 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:48.960 fascinated by you as i've always been because I don't 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.760 understand anything that you understand. I know you're an astrophysicist, 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.240 but you also are You are able. You have a 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.640 nice knack for kind of explaining to a layman. 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.720 What I try. I mean, I'm an educator, so any 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:05.040 educator should have some kind of knack. Otherwise they're just 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.240 a pontificate. They're lecturing rather than educating. 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:08.840 Exactly. 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:13.040 You can lecture, and if people paying attention, maybe that's okay. 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:19.000 But consider that after college, any time someone lectures to you, 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:22.200 you say, no, stop lecturing me. You're lecturing me. It's 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:25.040 a bad thing after college because I think it implies 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:28.240 that that you have to meet them all the way 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:30.320 where they are to learn what they're trying to teach you. 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:34.080 But I think if you're a real educator, you think 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.520 about what's going on in the brains of the person 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.719 who you're talking to, and you should be taking the 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:41.080 biggest journey to them. 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:42.799 Well, I mean, that's what you do in this book, 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.320 is you try to take on the perspective of alien 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:50.039 invaders and all the different realms of possibility that those 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:51.719 kids they could choose to arrive in. 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:55.480 It's a love letter to our fascination with aliens, That's 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:57.360 really what that is. 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.920 And to our assumptions about aliens. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.400 I just want to challenge some assumptions. One of the 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:05.920 biggest assumption is that it looks humanoid. Right, you know, 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:10.599 most life on Earth does not look human, and we 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:14.560 have DNA in common with it. I talk about bananas, yes, okay, 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:19.919 that we have between twenty twenty five percent identical DNA 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.480 with a banana. So I'm thinking an alien coming from 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:28.839 another planet should be it either has no DNA in 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:32.479 common with us or no DNA at all. Right, Who 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:36.279 says DNA is the molecule universe, right, right, So it 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:39.479 should look at least as different from us as we 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:41.240 and bananas look from each other. 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:43.520 Do you think about anything that's on the bottom of 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:45.200 the ocean, like that's where. 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:48.600 It looks alien? And I got it. I got one 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:50.320 for you. Maybe I'm jumping ahead. I don't know what 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:55.440 your agenda is here. But let's suppose only a few 0:05:55.480 --> 0:06:00.560 dozen people had ever seen an octopus. Just picture of this, 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:04.279 and now they testify in front of Congress under oath 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:09.120 you gotta believe me. There's this squishy thing in the ocean. 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:13.680 It's this big. It has eight legs, and each leg 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:17.520 has suction cups on it, and it's got big eyeballs, 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:21.000 and it's really smart, and it could change its surface 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:25.920 pattern to blend in to disappear in its environment, and 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.880 it's you just say this, They'll look at you like, okay, 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:30.960 draw it. And no one can draw these things, right, 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.279 So if you look at the drawing, it's like what 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:38.520 And so they would parade forward, and until someone brings 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:42.120 forth an octopus, it will always be about do you 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.400 believe in octopuses? But to believe in them? Do you 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.600 believe those testimonies? Do you believe it? So I'm saying 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.520 now that high ranking people have said they've got aliens 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:56.680 in the back forty or in the shed? Is it 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.560 too much to ask them to bring out the alien. 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.239 To say that an octopus isn't an alien? 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:06.239 Well yeah, well because we can check the DNA, so it's. 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.480 Of this earth. So based on an octopus's DNA, it's 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.040 of this planet. So we know it's not correct correct. 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:12.360 So that's that's a good check. 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:14.320 Okay, that's a good check. That's good to know. Like, 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:18.080 and you open this book talking about bananas and chimpanzees, 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.920 about our DNA make up with chimpanzee. Yeah, it's almost 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.840 basically the same thing. Yes, Yes, what's the difference. 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:27.400 A chimp is perfectly comfortable sitting as we are, you know, 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:31.840 resting an elbow, you know, looking around, and they like 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.680 bananas just the way we do. It's ninety eight plus 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:37.840 percent identical DNA. And what is Here's what we say, 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.520 here's what we tell ourselves. We say, well, the chip, 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.920 a smart chimp does what they can stack boxes and 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:47.040 reach a banana suspended from the ceiling. That's a smart 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:50.760 chimp can do that. And whereas we have poetry and 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:56.600 philosophy and science and art and the James Web Space telescope. 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:00.400 So if you're prone to think highly of us as 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:04.880 a species. You'll say, what a difference that makes? But 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:08.280 I pose the thought experiment in the book. Imagine an 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:13.120 alien species that's that two percent different from us that 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.560 we are from chimps, just in the same vector. Just 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:17.240 put them up there. 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:19.720 It doesn't that wouldn't that have the same DNA too? 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:21.280 If you're saying, I know, I know. 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.880 So it's hard. It's a thought experiment. It's whatever it 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.800 is that separates us from chimp containing that two percent, 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:33.080 give that same separation to some other species. However that 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:37.920 separation can be manifested. What would we look like to them? 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:42.920 We would be squawking idiots in their presence, just the way. 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:46.000 I don't call it chimp an idiot. But a chimp 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.640 is not doing long division, all right. A chimp is 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:55.480 not building, you know, skyscrapers, or airplanes, or farms or 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:59.160 lithium farms. So very good lithium farm that could be 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:02.520 in our future. So so that's only two percent. What 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.480 would a five percent difference be. So when we have 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.480 the audacity to say, let's go out in the universe 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:15.839 and find other intelligent life, that presumes we're intelligent, well, 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:23.480 who said we're intelligent, We didn't, Okay, so yeah, think 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:26.840 about that one. So would an alien consider us to 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.760 be intelligent if we are today what chimps are to us? 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:32.560 And so I just it's an important thought experiment. The 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.240 alien should be way smarter than us. 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.120 Well, also with the argument that you is also in 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.600 the book, they're the ones that are visiting us. We're 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:40.440 not visiting them. 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:44.120 So they got here and we only just weeks ago 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.680 left low Earth orbit for the first time in fifty 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.440 six years. So yeah, if they visit us, they're going 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:53.960 to be smarter, they have better technology, might even be 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:55.960 better looking. 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:58.400 And they might have no I mean, and we have 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:01.080 no idea how many. First of all, let's go to basics. 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.160 First of all, can you define what a light year is? 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:04.480 Just for light? 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:08.680 Yeah, so yeah, it's not not a year with fewer calories. No, 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:14.480 a light year. It's a convenient unit of distance to 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.120 talk about how far away something is. So the nearest 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:21.120 star system to the Sun is four light years away. 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.000 Just turn on a beam of light. Four years later 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.800 the light arrives at that location and light is very fast, 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:27.400 And that's. 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.040 Kind of like when you see a shooting star the 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:29.920 same thing. Right. 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:32.319 Oh, no, shooting stars are in our own atmosphere. 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:34.480 Okay, so light years not in our atmosphere. 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.160 No, no, shooting stars are not actually stars, that's the problem. 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:41.840 They're just it's particles of dirt and meteoroid. We call 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.920 them meteoroids that they're the size of a pee typically, 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:47.880 but they slam into Earth at ten miles per second 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:50.199 and they just burn up in our atmosphere. That's the 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:52.560 streak of light you see. Some are big. They'll make 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:54.760 it all the way down and if you find. 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:56.880 It, make it all the way down to Earth surface. 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:57.480 Oh okay. 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.000 And if you find on the Earth surface, then it's 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:01.920 so I see its streak. It's a meteor. It hits 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:02.840 the ground meteorite. 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:06.600 Oh no, no, no, no, I don't know anything about 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:09.280 any of this stuff. So if it hits the atmosphere, 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.520 then meteor And then if it hits the actual land 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:15.280 of Earth, meteor right, okay, got that? Oh that's good. 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.520 Yeah. And really big ones, the really big ones don't 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:21.480 really get burnt up at all, and they'll leave a 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.520 big crater. So when Arizona has a huge crater that 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:28.080 was left by a meteor, uh, fifty years ago. 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:32.240 Oh, hey, have you been thinking about writing into Dear Chelsea. Well, 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:35.800 now is the moment. We're taking advice questions on anything 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:39.360 that pops up. It's wedding season. Are you having wedding drama? 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:41.840 Write in about that thing that you can't seem to 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:45.400 agree with your spouse about but you absolutely know you're right. 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:47.600 Chelsea can tell you who's right and who's wrong. You 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:49.840 can write in about a big life decision or just 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.000 something small dating drama. 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:53.360 Right into Dear. 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:59.360 Chelsea podcast at gmail dot com. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.000 Talk about Area fifty one. This is the area that 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:08.000 we are. Historically America has used to research or study 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:12.720 any sort of alien life or other extraterrestrial life. 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:13.800 I would word that differently. 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:15.280 Okay, do you go go ahead and work. 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.960 It's a secret Air Force base? 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:19.600 Okay? And it doesn't. 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:23.079 It's it and they do secret stuff, they do secret 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:27.640 military stuff. They'll test aircraft, they'll and that became a 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:34.200 convenient place for UFO and alien enthusiasts to say the 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.240 government is hiding aliens there. Now, let's make it. Just 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:40.760 make sure we understand the difference between a cover up, 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:42.600 which would be a thing that happened and no one 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.360 wants you to know firstus just something that's top secret. 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:47.800 If something's top secret, it's not a cover up, it's 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.200 just top you're not going to learn about unless someone 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:55.439 leaks it. So it's been the supposed place where the 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:59.880 government's stockpiling aliens, but that's never been. People have declared 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:03.960 it again, you have to believe them, But no, I 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:07.400 want the janitor. Get the janitor right with their smart 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:14.120 everyone's got a smartphone, high resolution video camera. Just take 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.439 pictures of the alien and then stream it out the 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.280 Janit would lose lose a job immediately, but it would 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.880 be the richest most famous janitor there ever was. 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:25.240 Well, yeah, because you wouldn't really need a job after that, 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.440 that's right, And I think once you've been a janitor 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:29.200 you shouldn't have to work that long anyway. 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:31.000 Well, and it is kind of a catch twenty two 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:33.640 now because everyone says, like, why aren't we seeing all 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.040 these UFOs. Everybody's got a camera phone now, But then 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.960 when you do see a video of somebody catching something strange, 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:39.920 it's like, oh, well that's fake. 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:46.360 So yeah, we're living tough times now. Because photoshop was 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.360 the first to be able to just toss in a 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:51.480 little saucer in your picture. But now do you just 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:56.040 it's a command line in an AI chatbot, you know, 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.720 produce a picture. So it's really hard now to bring 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.720 convincing video of an alien. So that's why you got 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:03.800 to kind of bring out the alien. 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.400 So you would say that in your opinion or you 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:06.880 you tell me. 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:07.200 So. 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:09.559 Area fifty one is just an area that has been 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.319 designated to study this kind of extraterrestrial life. 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.600 No, I'm saying it's to study secret Air Force stuff, right, 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:17.600 but if you want to think they got they put 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:19.760 aliens there, okay. 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.640 But identified flying Unidentified flying objects UFO. 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:26.960 The Air Force has studied UFOs like since forever. I mean, 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:30.000 there's Project Blue Book was one of the earth been several, 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.240 but that one is perhaps the most famous of them. 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:38.160 And what it did it studied everybody's account of things 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.960 in the sky that we didn't understand. And remember this 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:45.280 is the Cold War, all right, and so just think 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:50.600 of governmental motivation for this. If you crowdsource stuff in 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.920 the sky, because you can't look at every square inch 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:55.920 of the Earth, and you get people to report it 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:59.440 to you, they're your radar. They'll find stuff that the 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.960 Russians might be working on. So it's what a brilliant 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:06.800 way to collate what everybody think. Oh, you might say, oh, 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:10.280 they could be aliens. That boosts the interests that people 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.000 would place in participating in such a thing and in 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:16.280 reporting what they find. But in the final report they 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:20.120 said they found nothing that couldn't otherwise be explained by 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:25.320 natural causes, and that which couldn't be explained there was 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:29.520 no strong evidence that it was extraterrestrial, and so but 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.000 there have been other studies. But meanwhile, but kind of 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:33.920 none of that matter is now because we have high 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:41.560 ranking people testifying in front of Congress, whistleblowers, insiders, former military, 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:45.720 former intelligence officers telling you standing there flat footed with 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:49.760 an on his face after swearing in that they got 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:59.040 alien bodies, alien crash saucers that they reverse engineered. And so, so, okay, 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.040 it's not just the farmer you know in the back ford. 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.520 You know, Obama admitted it on a podcast recently, and 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:04.960 that was big. 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:09.880 Well, well, he's scientifically literate, so he said the correct thing. 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.800 He said, he has no reason to doubt that there 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:16.040 aren't aliens in the universe, And everyone said, he's thinking 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:19.360 aliens on Earth or in the you know, but think 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:22.760 about it, if there was a government cover up, surely 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:26.360 the president would be in on it. So so, deciding 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.520 whether a president is saying the true speaking the truth 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.080 often is only a matter of whether you agree with 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:36.000 what the president is saying, and then you say it's 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:40.120 the truth, right, and so so for me, I just 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:43.160 just bring out the bring out the octopus, right, bring 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:46.480 out the elephant. Bring out an elephant. Describing an elephant 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:49.280 would be just as weird as describing an octopus. 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:51.080 Think about it, well, when you frame it like that, 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:52.760 I mean you frame a lot of things in this book, 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.480 which makes it so interesting. Like, say, we all have 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:57.880 this idea because of all of the movies we've seen 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:01.000 that have aliens in them, and the way that aliens. 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:04.440 Have saying we're ready, we're ready for aliens. Yea, all 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:09.439 the movies. We are so pumped. Bring out the you know, 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:11.399 show me the aliens sitting in the corner smoking a 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:12.000 cigarette or so. 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.080 They are so pumped, But we're not ready because we 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.560 don't have a I don't think based on everything you 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:18.359 say in this book, I don't think we have a 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.080 clear representation of what an alien would even look like. 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:22.959 That's correct, that's that's correct. 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.359 Or if Donald Trump could be an alien, he could 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.399 be it could be dressed as a human. 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.600 Okay, so I comment on that in there, not Trump specifically, 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:34.240 but if an alien were masquerading as a human, as 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.439 they did in the movie Men in Black, you could 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:42.520 do that, but you would not survive a medical exam. Okay, 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.840 your heart is in the wrong place, or you're well. 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:47.480 What if they're able to mimic being a human being? 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:51.040 If you mimic it, then what does it matter at 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.320 that point? If it looks like a duck, acts like 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.360 a duck, walks, and just call it a duck. If 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.080 he looks human and you put all the organs in 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.280 the right place and it's got bad breath in the morning, 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.320 it's a human, right. I mean if something else happens weird, 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.560 like it's ton comes out and it's this long, you 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:05.359 have some evidence. 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:07.959 What if it was operating on behalf of the whole 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:12.959 other culture, you know, like say say like, okay, so 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.120 say that's what's happening, right, they come down. 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:19.639 I even didn't like about which part. No, No, it's fine, Okay, 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:23.960 I didn't have one part. She finally meets she goes 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:27.639 back to her alien friends and whatever is their spaceship, 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:33.119 and so they're there and they're surrounding an illustration of 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:36.480 the flat Earth. It's like, no, I'm I'm going to 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:37.800 give you an alien, but I'm not going to give 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:39.960 you the flat Earth. Okay, we have. 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.120 Nast interesting Why do you think they did that? 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:45.200 Because they I think they wanted to bring together multiple 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:50.119 conspiracy series into one narrative. Yeah. I don't know if 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:51.680 you noticed that at the end, I did it. Yeah, 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:55.119 they're around a circle. Yeah, yeah, No, I caught that 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:57.720 immediately because the flat Earth, as say, there's Earth and 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.440 then Antarctica is the edge of Earth and it's around 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:02.400 so you can see that in there. So I think 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:04.800 they just they had to catch bin and they put 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:06.800 everything in it. But that's a spoiler alert. 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:09.520 Well I'll put it in a spoiler alert in audio. 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:09.840 So I. 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:20.000 Don't have time to accommodate these people problem. Yea, But 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:21.920 I like the way you posited in the beginning of 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:24.520 the book where you're like, if aliens were to come 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:28.200 to Earth and say, okay, take me to your leader, 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:31.639 we might confuse. We might think that leader is Donald Trump. 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:34.280 We might think that leader is Taylor Swift. We might 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:35.280 think that leader is you. 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:39.439 Oh no, no, no, we know our leader is our official leaders, 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:43.480 the Pope. But the alien might not because they're seeing 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.840 our leaked radio signals and they're seeing who we worship, 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:54.600 and there's Tailor Swift, there's Beyonce, there's people filling the 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:58.440 airwaves mm hmmm, and they're thinking those are the important 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:02.560 people who these so they might expect to be taken 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:04.680 to Tailor Swift, is my only point. 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:06.439 So what do you believe? 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.680 Because the radio waves are escaping at the speed of light. 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:13.359 So we're in the middle of a radio bubble, which 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:21.040 is the the broadcast signals of our culture expanding at 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:22.879 the speed of light. And it's gone out. It's about 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:24.760 eighty light years. 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:27.320 Across, and each light year is one thousand years, or 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:30.360 each light year is one year light years six trillion miles, 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:31.920 six trillion miles miles. 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:36.000 That's how far the light is gone. So if you've 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:41.080 only ever been on cable, you're not in those airwaves. 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:44.200 If you did anything on TV, they'll get a little 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.960 piece of Chelsea coming by their way. 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:49.640 M Chelsea lately is not not going out right. 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:51.800 It was on cable was that think, Yes, I was 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:53.639