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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, here are my dates for the High and

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Speaker 1: Mighty Tour. In June, i will be in Saratoga Springs,

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Speaker 1: New York, port Chester, New York. I'm coming to Boston

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Speaker 1: at the Wang Theater. I'll be in Portland, Oregon, Seattle,

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Speaker 1: and then Hyannis, Massachusetts, and then two shows in Nantucket.

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Speaker 1: In August, you can find me in Red Bank, New Jersey, Montclair,

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Speaker 1: New Jersey, and Calgary. That's Canada. And September I will

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Speaker 1: be in Santa Barbara, San Diego, New York City, Philly,

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Speaker 1: and New Haven, Connecticut. October is Atlanta, Baltimore, Saginaw, Michigan, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Boise, Idaho,

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Speaker 1: and Spokane. And then in November I'll be in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: I'm coming to Salt Lake City, Austin, Houston, Dallas, Babies,

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Speaker 1: I'll be there. And then in December, I am closing

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Speaker 1: out my tour in Denver and Vancouver. So get your

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Speaker 1: tickets at Chelseahandler dot com for the High and Mighty Tour.

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Speaker 1: Hi Catherine, Hi Chelsea. It's almost Thursday. It's our podcast

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Speaker 1: is Thursday.

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Speaker 2: I have to tell you, I don't know if anyone

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Speaker 2: can hear in the background.

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Speaker 1: That's my new dog. That's my new dog, ray J.

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Speaker 1: I have to tell you hist as usual.

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Speaker 2: I asked you, like, oh, why did you pick ray

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Speaker 2: J for the name? And Brad later that night, like

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Speaker 2: ten pm, was like in the other room, he texted me,

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Speaker 2: he goes. Just so you know, ray J is a rapper.

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Speaker 1: I'm famil. I saw this dog and I'm like, that's rage.

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Speaker 1: That dog reminds me of the name. It's a perfect name. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is. It is.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: Our guest today is a very exciting one.

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Speaker 1: Okay is an astrophysicist, best selling author, host of Star Talk,

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Speaker 1: and director of the Hayden Planetarium at the American Museum

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Speaker 1: of Natural History. Please welcome Neil de grasse Tyson. Oh

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Speaker 1: lovely we Neil.

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Speaker 3: Hello, this is your babe. Cave here is.

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Speaker 1: That the babe?

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Speaker 3: This sounds better than a man cave?

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Speaker 1: No, that does sound like? That does sound better? We

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Speaker 1: need we need something like that.

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Speaker 3: All parts of you up there on the wall.

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Speaker 1: We do. When was the last time I'm going to

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Speaker 1: take some medication? Since you're here, so you waited when

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Speaker 1: I'm doing it's nothing too exciting, Otherwise I'd be happy

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Speaker 1: to share when was the last time I saw you?

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Speaker 3: I was on your show.

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Speaker 1: It was the Netflix show was the last time, but before.

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Speaker 3: That lately seen. I don't think i've seen you since then.

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Speaker 1: No, no, I would have been the Netflix show was

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Speaker 1: the last time, but we have I interviewed you before

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Speaker 1: then also, I think so and Chelsea lately.

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Speaker 3: But but it's been too long, pre covid BC, before COVID.

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Speaker 1: How did COVID treat you?

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Speaker 3: I was novid until like a couple of octobers ago.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I didn't get it at all. Yeah, you

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Speaker 3: know I want to do that too, can I do?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris Cross Applesauce get into it. That you could

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Speaker 1: get into this position. That's pretty impressive for a man. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Neil de grass Tyson. Look at this, Let's see how

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Speaker 1: it needs it? Do you need a pillow to secure

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, we'll do it. We'll do it with you.

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Speaker 3: Look, we're all sitting like I was a performing a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's nothing like being in dance shape because

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Speaker 1: called Take Me to Your Leader, Perspectives on your First

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Speaker 1: Alien Encounter. When is this going to happen?

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Speaker 3: I can't wait? Well, I mean it's overdue.

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Speaker 3: It's a love letter to our fascination with aliens, That's

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Speaker 3: It looks alien? And I got it. I got one

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Speaker 3: A chimp is perfectly comfortable sitting as we are, you know,

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Speaker 1: It doesn't that wouldn't that have the same DNA too?

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Speaker 3: So it's hard. It's a thought experiment. It's whatever it

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Speaker 1: And they might have no I mean, and we have

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Speaker 1: It, make it all the way down to Earth surface.

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Speaker 3: Because the radio waves are escaping at the speed of light.

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Speaker 3: That's how far the light is gone. So if you've

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Speaker 1: After studying this stuff for as long as you have been,

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Speaker 3: So you look at life got started pretty quickly on Earth,

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Speaker 1: How old is it planet Earth? Thirteen?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so organism correct.

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Speaker 3: So if that's the case, you would be inexclusibly egocentric

435
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Speaker 3: to suggest that we are alone in the universe, because

436
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 3: the universe is vast. There's hundreds of billions of stars

437
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Speaker 3: in the galaxy, the Milky Way Galaxy, and hundreds of

438
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Speaker 3: billions of galaxies in the observable universe. So run around

439
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 3: here saying you're the only thing happened. If we were

440
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 3: made of some rare ingredient, you could say we're special,

441
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 3: something special happened here, but we're not, and so you can't.

442
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 3: And so yeah, no one is going to deny that

443
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,199
Speaker 3: this life. That's a separate question from whether we have

444
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Speaker 3: been visited. And what I do in the book is

445
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 3: I just ask other sets of questions that other people aren't.

446
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 3: I say, all right, if we've been visited by aliens,

447
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 3: why are they only showing up in restricted military airspace?

448
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 3: Why are they only coming into the grips of our government?

449
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 3: The government is not everywhere we have the whole surface

450
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Speaker 3: of the Earth. Why why isn't there a crash flying

451
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Speaker 3: saucer in some place where there isn't a government that's

452
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Speaker 3: going to cover it up. They're just questions I'm asking. I.

453
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Speaker 1: Okay, I've asked these questions too, because I thought Area

454
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Speaker 1: fifty one was just stupidly Unless this is also what

455
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Speaker 1: you're saying, I assumed, Wait, why is extraterrestrial life only

456
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Speaker 1: go to this one area?

457
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Speaker 3: That's not what you would have to You would have

458
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 3: to the alien would have to land, and they have

459
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Speaker 3: to secretly grab it and take it to the with

460
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Speaker 3: no one seeing this. They'd have to take it to

461
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Speaker 3: the Now they solve that in Men in Black because

462
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Speaker 3: they had that little light that you look at and

463
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Speaker 3: then it takes away your memory of what just happened,

464
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Speaker 3: so that they needed that absolution.

465
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Speaker 1: Sure, but or is it this or versus alien life

466
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Speaker 1: and extraterrestrial life happens and is rampant, and then they

467
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Speaker 1: just put everything in the area fifty one to study

468
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Speaker 1: it in that little.

469
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Speaker 3: Sense, you have to somehow get it there, no matter

470
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Speaker 3: where it landed.

471
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Speaker 1: Right. So, but what's the problem with that?

472
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Speaker 3: To get there with no one noticing it and the

473
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Speaker 3: number of people who would be in on it. There's

474
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Speaker 3: a quote from the quote from Benjamin Franklin in his Almanac,

475
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Speaker 3: Three people can keep a secret if two of them

476
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Speaker 3: are dead. He wrote that seventeen eighty five. The boy

477
00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 3: knew something about people's inability, especially juicy. You could keep

478
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Speaker 3: a secret. If it's not juicy, then no one cares,

479
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 3: and you don't have these urges to say you want

480
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Speaker 3: to hear a secret. So that's why I'm I don't

481
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Speaker 3: have a problem imagining we're stockpiling aliens, but since we've

482
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Speaker 3: had insiders saying that they're there, and so it's no

483
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Speaker 3: longer a cover up. You can't say you're covering something up.

484
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Speaker 3: If insiders are telling you you're covering it up, it's

485
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Speaker 3: no longer a cover up. So there, so is it

486
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Speaker 3: too much to ask to bring out the alien? Yeah?

487
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Speaker 1: Bring it out, because I don't feel like I don't

488
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Speaker 1: think anyone. Well, actually, I don't know what people think.

489
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Speaker 1: I mean, people are about to vote for Spencer Pratt

490
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Speaker 1: for a mayor of la So I don't know what

491
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: people are thinking. But as a general idea in the world,

492
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Speaker 1: I think, like you know, extraterrestrial life and aliens, it's

493
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Speaker 1: more like an of an understanding now, like, of course

494
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Speaker 1: something else must exist. Of course we're not the only people.

495
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Speaker 3: That's why those who said the reason why the government

496
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Speaker 3: doesn't want to show because they're afraid the public would

497
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Speaker 3: freak out. Look at all the movies we've been treated

498
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Speaker 3: to out of the creativity of our own species. Just

499
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Speaker 3: look at, like I said, what the insiders are saying.

500
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Speaker 3: I think it might even be anticlimactic the alien. Come,

501
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 3: I say, Hey, we got better aliens in the movie

502
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 3: Spielberg than that, you know. So yeah, I'm just sitting

503
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 3: back eating popcorn waiting for the presentation of the alien.

504
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Speaker 1: And what are your first hand experiences like that you've

505
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Speaker 1: heard of from other people in your community that have

506
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Speaker 1: like that have stayed with you?

507
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 3: Okay, so none of my colleagues have ever seen anything

508
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Speaker 3: they could not explain. I spent my whole life looking

509
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 3: up I was a geek kid from age nine. I

510
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 3: had a telescope at age eleven, at age twelve, and.

511
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Speaker 1: So you didn't upsex for a long time. It's okay,

512
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Speaker 1: you're able to give back another way.

513
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 3: Always marry an astrophysicist, because you know where they are

514
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: at night like that. And we used to have these

515
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 3: geeky things, the bumper stickers. Nobody uses bumper stickers anymore.

516
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: Big for yourself.

517
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 3: I love heavenly bodies. You know this sort of thing.

518
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: Black holes are out of sight. There's the geek bumper stickers.

519
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: So I care about observing the night sky. So I

520
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 3: know about the sun, moon, stars and planets, and I

521
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 3: you know what else. I know about weather because it

522
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 3: gets in the way of me looking at the night sky.

523
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 3: So I know all kinds of weather patterns, cloud patterns,

524
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 3: what twilight light can do, how it can deceive you.

525
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: So I would say a few percent of the things

526
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Speaker 3: that I've seen that were really weird, I only knew

527
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 3: what they were because of my extensive background in the subject.

528
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: Telling me that other people would just report that right

529
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Speaker 3: for the police. Whatever. So back to lower than average

530
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 3: reporting of UFOs among people who spend their whole lives

531
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Speaker 3: looking up in.

532
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Speaker 1: The astronomy computing, does you understand what you're looking at?

533
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Speaker 1: Like I just I recently went to Finland and saw

534
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: the Northern lights beautiful and so once that was broken.

535
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Speaker 3: Your first time, Yes, imagine if you didn't know what

536
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Speaker 3: it was, I.

537
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: Would think that was alien.

538
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, completely, and in fact, the very name Aurora

539
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: I think through through that's the official name of the

540
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 3: northern lights, Aurora borealis. And in the south it's Aurora Australis.

541
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Speaker 3: If you didn't know that, just with I think it was.

542
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 3: Is it in Greek mythology there's an aurora a colorful Yeah.

543
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 3: So it's beautiful and it's it's fully explained. Yeah. Yeah.

544
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Speaker 3: Another one, there are clouds, so I have to be

545
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 3: Professor Neil for a moment. Okay. You have warm, moist

546
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: air going horizontally across the ground, and it hits a mountain,

547
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: and then the air goes up the mountain. It's cooler

548
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 3: on mountains than it is at the bottom. If you

549
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: have moist air, that moist moisture condenses out of the

550
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 3: air and makes clouds. That's why it's common to see

551
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 3: no clouds anywhere in a mountain a clouds right on

552
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 3: top of the mountain. Those are called aura graphic clouds,

553
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 3: and depending on how they're made, they can look like

554
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 3: a a disk, like a cap on top.

555
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: Of the mountain, because they do not because they get stuck.

556
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Speaker 3: Well, because that's because it's cold enough there to take

557
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 3: the moisture. That because right near this humidity in the

558
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 3: air here. But it's not a cloud. If you take

559
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 3: it high up, it'll condense and make a cloud right way,

560
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 3: hang on, right at the top of the mountain. Now,

561
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 3: now the sun sets for you, so you're in darkness,

562
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 3: but the top of the mountain still sees the sun,

563
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 3: the setting sunlight, and so the cloud takes on this

564
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: this this reddish orange hue, and you're in darkness and

565
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 3: there's this glowing cloud at the top. That's the mothership,

566
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 3: of course, but that my book. I have a photos

567
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 3: of this just so you can see if.

568
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Speaker 1: If but if also yeah, but why is the cold

569
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Speaker 1: air get stuck there? When heat rises?

570
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what happens is that sun doesn't heat the air.

571
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 3: This sun heats the ground, and the ground heats the air,

572
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,959
Speaker 3: and that air will rise and so rising air if

573
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 3: it has any moisture at all eventually condenses out and

574
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 3: makes clouds. That's why clouds are generally well above your

575
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: head and not down here. A cloud can form at

576
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Speaker 3: ground level. We have a different word for that, isn't

577
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: that great? A fog? That's just a cloud that's like

578
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: it on the ground. And when you're in a fog,

579
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: you're never hot. Fogs are always kind of dank and

580
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 3: a little cool.

581
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, right right, Yeah, like the word dank. Actually, we

582
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: need to be using that more.

583
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 3: Dank. It's a great word.

584
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Speaker 1: But if heat always rises, why are the mountaintops so cold?

585
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 3: Oh? Because, yeah, there's less ground around you to be heated.

586
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 3: It's the ground that heats the air. You've been in

587
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 3: an airplane, have you've seen the temperature? You know that?

588
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: Where are you in the rude and what's the outside temperature?

589
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 3: It's forty below zero outside. This is the same earth

590
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 3: where you were just down year and it's seventy five degrees.

591
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 3: Why you go up a little, You're closer to the

592
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 3: sun as you get forty degrees below zero. So the

593
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: sun is not heating the air. The sun is heating

594
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 3: the ground. So the hottest part of herst atmosphere is

595
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 3: just above the ground.

596
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: Okay, this is good.

597
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 3: Take these clouds. Okay, sorry, it's just in black and white.

598
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 3: But those are oorographic clouds. Now, imagine that twilight lit

599
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 3: from below. Because you're lower down, your sun is set

600
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 3: for you, it sets later for people higher up. Now

601
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 3: on the previous page, So that cloud was made by

602
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 3: a rocket in twilight because its rocket plume is high

603
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 3: enough it still sees the sun. Evidence that Earth is

604
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 3: curved is you're high up. You see.

605
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: I didn't pushka. I think that was shepherd or something.

606
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 3: I was just being articulate with my fingers in my hand.

607
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: Yes.

608
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: So so that's still in sunlight and you're not, so

609
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: it's just glowing against darkened sky. People freak out when

610
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 3: they see that that's a SpaceX launch.

611
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: By the way, Oh okay, I mean it makes a

612
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: lot of sense. What you're saying is because you have

613
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: an eye, a keen eye that has studied this. So

614
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: when you're looking at these things that another a lay

615
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: person may look at and say, oh, well, what is that.

616
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: That's got to be an identified flying object or what

617
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: I identifiable blah blah blah.

618
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 3: You know, because yeah, more than most people, when I

619
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 3: look up right, But that doesn't mean that some of

620
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 3: them may have no explanation at all. I'm not denying that,

621
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: but even UFO enthusiasts recognize that most people, when they're

622
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: identifying most things, will have a natural explanation. They want

623
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: to sift through all of that and get to just

624
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: the bottom the few percent that might have no obvious explanation,

625
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 3: that's all. And if those are aliens, I would then

626
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: ask other questions.

627
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: And but do you have like, have you.

628
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 3: Heard either from any of my colleagues.

629
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Speaker 1: Nothing, You've never heard anything that you were like, Oh

630
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: my god, this is mine, this is blowing my mind.

631
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. Do I have a cousin who, while in Puerto Rico,

632
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: said that there was a spaceship that was hovering over

633
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 3: the nearby homes and it stayed there for a while

634
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 3: and then it shot off into the distance. And I

635
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 3: don't know him to hallucinate. He did like drugs at

636
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 3: the time, but not so. Yeah, so do many people,

637
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 3: but they're not talking that way, right and so and

638
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 3: he said someone else saw it with him, So okay, okay,

639
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: that was the early nineteen seventies. You realize the only

640
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 3: two kinds of people who carry cameras. Back then, tourists

641
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: and journalists, we didn't have cameras. In fact, most people

642
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: you were in show business. Most other people are photographed

643
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: once a year for the school picture. Okay, that's it.

644
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 3: So access to cameras. So all I'm saying is, if

645
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: that happens again, take out your smartphone video it. I

646
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: have a colleague who's head of a committee who said

647
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: he appointed by Congress. By the way, he wants to

648
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: set up a do I call it a task force,

649
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 3: an app that everybody has on their phones. If you

650
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 3: see something, you go inside the app, and when you

651
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 3: take pictures in the app, all the metadata is preserved,

652
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 3: what direction you were looking, the elevation, the altitude, the

653
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: color balance, all of this, so that multiple people do it,

654
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 3: you can triangulate on the thing that you saw and

655
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 3: establish its authenticity at not being something in your head.

656
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 3: Even without that, everybody's got a high resolution phone. We

657
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 3: don't have pictures of people getting abducted. Why not everybody?

658
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,959
Speaker 3: It was all the rage in the seventies. Everybody's getting

659
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 3: abducted through stories written about in the papers in a

660
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: national inquirer. That's half their sales. We're talking about abducted

661
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: people getting abducted by aliens. So show me the alien

662
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 3: walking towards you, abducting you and live stream it. That

663
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 3: will go viral. Videos go viral for less, right.

664
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Speaker 1: So I feel like though, if there is are, if

665
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: there are aliens, and they are so much more intelligent

666
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: than we are, since they're the ones studying us, not

667
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: the other way around, then they would be able to

668
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 1: make sure that that footage never was released.

669
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Speaker 3: That's what they said. In the days when they had cameras,

670
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 3: they said, oh, it did take pictures, but they blanked

671
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 3: out the job right, right, if you're live streaming, okay,

672
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 3: you see it, and did you start live streaming? That's

673
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 3: and the app would probably make that easier, by the way.

674
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: So here's another thing. There used to be these flying

675
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 3: saucers along the roadside that people had pictures of it. Again,

676
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 3: why would you have a picture of it because no

677
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 3: one had cameras. But let's say you did happen to

678
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: have a camera, and so there's a flying saucer there,

679
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: it was clear as day there it is usually dark

680
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 3: against the light sky. And all those went away when

681
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 3: cars stopped using hubcaps. There are no roadside flying saucers

682
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 3: pictures of roadside hubcaps. These were set things from your

683
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: wheel that you'd hammered on and they were kind of

684
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 3: decorative sometimes, And every road is guaranteed to have a pothole.

685
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 3: You hit the poddle, you lose a hubcap, you don't

686
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 3: even know it, and you're the hub cops were strewn

687
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 3: along the freeways and so if you find one in

688
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 3: Fla it take a picture. You've got a UFO. We

689
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 3: don't have those anymore since cars won't have to.

690
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: Then what is yours? What do you think?

691
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: I think picture people took pictures of hubcaps.

692
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 1: But what do you think now? So do you think

693
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 1: there is not an intelligent life like and other places

694
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: or in other places, but we just haven't witnessed it? Like,

695
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: what do you what's your assessment of bring.

696
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 3: Out the aliens. They're people who say they've witnessed it,

697
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 3: and so we've taken away the surprise factor because of that,

698
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 3: and people of high rank. There's a two nearly two

699
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 3: hour documentary on this, the Day of Disclosure, that just

700
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: came out, like last year, in the end of last year,

701
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 3: a whole parade of people, including government officials. So I'm

702
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 3: tired of hearing people ask do you believe in aliens?

703
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 3: Bring out the aliens, and then no one has to

704
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 3: ask that question again. You don't have to believe in octopuses,

705
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 3: you don't have to believe in elephants.

706
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: Do you believe we have aliens that were holding or

707
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: hiding in this country.

708
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 3: I don't like to believe in things that I have

709
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 3: to believe in to believe.

710
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, yes, it actually did.

711
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 3: It did.

712
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: It's gonna have a lasting impact, that's okay, Okay, a

713
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: reverberation if you will, Chelsea. I feel like you need

714
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: to home with Neil. No. I don't mean in a

715
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: romantic sense. I meant for like a learning song.

716
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 2: But I feel like you need to dive into quantum theory.

717
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 1: We've got weather.

718
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 3: I cherish adults who are curious.

719
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: Let's talk about quantum physics. Break it down, bring it off,

720
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: break down what that means.

721
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 3: Okay, So you want a little primer on yeah, I.

722
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: Want, yeah to make it digestible for our audience and

723
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: our listeners. Sure, this has been an ongoing kind of

724
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: curiosity of mine because I can't really seem to wrap

725
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: my head around it. So I was looking forward to.

726
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 3: So let's start out with the I forgot who said

727
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 3: this famous physicist might have been Moxiplank, who said, the

728
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 3: day you understand quantum physics is the day you can

729
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 3: be sure that you don't because it everything about it

730
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 3: is weird. You know, how do what to you? What

731
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 3: makes sense? What makes sense to you? We were forged

732
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 3: in the planes of the Serengetti trying to not get

733
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 3: eaten by lions. So that's how we evolved. So we

734
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 3: have a certain sense about that something with big teeth

735
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 3: is chasing you, you run the opposite direction. You pretty

736
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 3: much don't have to think about that, all right. That's

737
00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 3: what forged our senses. When the microscope and the particle

738
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 3: accelerator got us to very small form manifestations of nature,

739
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:13,959
Speaker 3: whole other laws of physics revealed themselves that we didn't

740
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 3: evolve under. Yes, it matters in us, in our molecules,

741
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: but in our sense, our sensory system does not experience it,

742
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 3: and so it's not part of what we call common sense.

743
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: I just want to start with that.

744
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: Okay, common sense, it's.

745
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 3: Not common sense. It's common sense that i'd let something

746
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: go in it drops gravity, you push something in common

747
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 3: sense is.

748
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: An understanding that we all share.

749
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 3: Yes, because while growing up in the same world. All right,

750
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: so here's what we find. You're sitting there. If I

751
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: shine light on you to take a picture, you're still

752
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 3: sitting there. Okay, that's because you are much bigger than

753
00:39:54,719 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 3: the photons of light that are striking you. Okay, so

754
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 3: they hit you, they reflect off, they go to my camera.

755
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 3: There's Chelsea and Chelsea and Chelsea and Chelsea seven times

756
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 3: on your wall. Okay, what happens if I make you

757
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 3: smaller half the size, one hundredth this size, a billionth

758
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 3: this size. Here's what happens the moment you're the size

759
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: of particles, and I say, is the particle sitting there

760
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 3: on the couch? Let me find out, and I shine

761
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 3: light on it. The photon hits the particle, the particle

762
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: pops to another state of existence. You don't have access

763
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 3: to matter on that scale, because to even know what

764
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 3: it's doing requires shining light on it, popping it into

765
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 3: some other place, some other state of its own existence.

766
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 3: And so so what it means is when we describe

767
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: matter at its smaller scales, we describe it statistically. The

768
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 3: particles somewhere there and you want to find out exactly

769
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: where it is. You can shine light on it, but

770
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 3: it's going to be somewhere else. Just keep doing this.

771
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: You can create a statistical understanding of nature at that scale.

772
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 3: And Einstein hated that. He said on multiple occasions, God

773
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 3: does not play dice with the universe statistic and so

774
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 3: so it turns out Einstein is wrong. What the universe

775
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 3: doesn't plays poker. Okay, it'll play dice. The universe doesn't

776
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 3: play poker. So that's one feature of very tiny particles.

777
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,959
Speaker 3: We are so big. It doesn't do that to us.

778
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 3: It just doesn't. Okay. Another thing that particle can behave

779
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 3: as a particle and as a wave. That's kind of weird.

780
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 3: We have no way to wrap our brain around that.

781
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 3: We tried. We tried inventing a new word. Wavicle. Never

782
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 3: caught on you ever hear that way now? Never caught on.

783
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 3: I thought it, we had a chance. I thought it

784
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: back in the seventies, maybe sixty. I thought I had

785
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 3: a chance. Never caught up wavicle. Because you now have

786
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 3: to put in your head the existence of something in

787
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 3: two completely different manifestations of itself simultaneously. That's not how

788
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 3: everyday life works. You're not You're not sitting there as

789
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: a human being one moment and a and a you know,

790
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 3: and a candle in the next moment, not knowing which

791
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 3: you are at any No, you are. You are persistently

792
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 3: this but a wave particle. Duality is fundamental to quantum physics.

793
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: Meaning that the two things can be happening with your

794
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: person at the same time or with any matter.

795
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 3: The particle doesn't matter matter. I feel bad my foot

796
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 3: came off the couch.

797
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 1: Well do you feel bad for your foot or a particle?

798
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 3: So uh, other things it does. You can create two

799
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 3: particles at the same time because matter and energy are interchangeable,

800
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: so you can take energy.

801
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: That equals matter and energy are energy equals.

802
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 3: Mc squared Since nineteen oh five understood that and so

803
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 3: one Just so, that's another duality thing. It's just the

804
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 3: same thing, different sides of the same coin, matter and energy.

805
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 3: So a particle. You can take energy and create a

806
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 3: pair of particles that are complimentary to each other, a

807
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 3: matter antimatter pair. The other ways, you can create particles

808
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 3: in this way and then separate them. They know about

809
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 3: each other. They I don't want to call them the

810
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 3: same particle. I'm going to say they're entangled with.

811
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 1: Each other because of proximity.

812
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 3: Because of how we made them, how we create. Now

813
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 3: we can put one here and the other one across

814
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 3: the room. If I make a measurement on this particle,

815
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 3: I will immediately know the properties of the other particle

816
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 3: with which it was entangled, because that has complementary properties.

817
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: And so was there a limit to this distance. No.

818
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 3: They can be quantum entangled across the universe, and when

819
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: you measure one, the other one gets known instantly. So

820
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 3: this is something moving faster than the speed of light

821
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 3: in the vacuum of space. They're what we call virtual particles,

822
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: pairs that come in and out of existence, and they're entangled.

823
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 3: I spoke with a colleague of mine who studies this.

824
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: He said, there's emergent thought that the entangled particles are

825
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 3: connected via wormholes, and that those wormholes is this are

826
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 3: the stitching in the fabric of space time. So it's

827
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 3: like WHOA, Okay, So again this is quantum physics just

828
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 3: being out there. By the way, there is no creation, storage,

829
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 3: and retrieval of digital information without the co them. The

830
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 3: entire it revolution exists because we figured out how quantum

831
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 3: physics worked one hundred years ago. In the nineteen twenties

832
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 3: watershed decade in science.

833
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, in nineteen twenties.

834
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 3: Nineteen twenty Oh my god. If you have to pick

835
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 3: a decade in the history of our species, that's the

836
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 3: decade because in that decade we discovered that the whole

837
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 3: universe is not just the stars of the night sky.

838
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 3: Their whole other galaxies that have stars of their own.

839
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: But aren't we still discovered. I mean, I don't want

840
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: to the nineteen twenties.

841
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 3: It's not a matter of the number of these things.

842
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: It's the nature of the truth. Okay, Okay. The nature

843
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 3: of the truth is the stars of the night sky

844
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 3: are not the entirety of our universe. There are other

845
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 3: groupings of stars out there that are galaxies just like ours,

846
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 3: but they're far away that just like looks like fuzz

847
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 3: and they're billions of those hundreds.

848
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: Of billions, and we don't we haven't even discovered all that.

849
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: Well, we've seen them, but we don't go there because

850
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 3: we get Okay, So there's that. That was nineteen twenty three,

851
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 3: in the mid twenties, then nineteen twenty nine, Edwin Hubble

852
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 3: the man discovers that these galaxies are flying apart from

853
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 3: each other. So we're in an expanding universe. And in

854
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 3: the nineteen twenties we discover what particles do when PopEd

855
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 3: and prodded, and we came to finally understand the atom.

856
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 3: That is quantum physics, and all of our electronics depends

857
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 3: on it. It exploits it, it understands it, it uses it.

858
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: And so what is the particle to the atom?

859
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 3: Oh? Right, So you have an electron in a traditional atom,

860
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 3: and then you have the nucleus, which will have protons

861
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 3: and neutrons. Typically, okay, nucleus protons have a positive charge,

862
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 3: electrons negative, So you'd think they would ah, you would

863
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 3: think the electron would just collapse into the nucleus because

864
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 3: it's got to opposite charges attract, right, But no, it

865
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 3: stays out here. And and we so desperately wanted the

866
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 3: atom to look like the Solar system. It was wait

867
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 3: a minute, is a nucleus and their electrons going around it?

868
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 3: Maybe it's it's the Solar system all over again, but

869
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 3: just on a small scale. And so you look close,

870
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 3: it's like, no, the electron is not orbiting. It's like

871
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 3: hanging out in these clouds described by the wave that

872
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 3: it also is. Okay, so but so badly did we

873
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: want to analogize itto the solar system that we called

874
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 3: it not an orbit but an orbital. So electrons are

875
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 3: in orbitals around the nucleus of the atom. So now

876
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 3: you have an atom. Electrons can come and go. So

877
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 3: the but the atom is the nucleus and the electrons.

878
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 3: Then the electrons can share their orbitals with other atoms.

879
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 3: They can give one donate share. Then you make a molecule.

880
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 3: So molecule is more than one atom joined. And here's

881
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:10,919
Speaker 3: what's completely mind fuck. Okay. Hydrogen is a flammable gas.

882
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 3: Oxygen promotes fire. Okay, no smoking near oxygen tanks. You

883
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 3: put them together. It makes H two O, which is water,

884
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 3: which extinguishes fires.

885
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: Wow.

886
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 3: Take sodium, a metal that's soft enough to cut with

887
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 3: a knife. That's explosive if you put it in water,

888
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 3: like labs are always immersed in oil, it would explode

889
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 3: if you put it in water. Chlorine a deadly poisonous

890
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 3: gas used in chemical warfare in the First World War.

891
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 3: Chlorine gas. Okay, you take sodium, combine it with chlorine.

892
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 3: You get table salt sodium chloride. So the behavior of

893
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 3: molecules is so different from the individual behavior of the

894
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 3: atoms themselves. It's like a it's like a circus. Yeah, of,

895
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 3: And this is why chemistry is an entire field onto itself,

896
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 3: and all that is enabled, empowered, and manifested because the

897
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 3: rules of quantum physics.

898
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: So when we talk about something like I think what

899
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: we've been talking about more on this show has been

900
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: like simulations, right with regard when we talk about I

901
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: think we kind of mistake, we think we're talking about

902
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: quantum physics, but we're actually not. Because well, book, when

903
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: people talk about time travel or space travel, like what

904
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: what what purview does that fall under?

905
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you can travel forward in time using

906
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 3: Einstein's relativity.

907
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: And do you believe in that?

908
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 3: Oh? No, no, no, we can.

909
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: We've that's real.

910
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 2: It's we're doing right now.

911
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 3: It's well, we're traveling forward in time one second per second, yes,

912
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 3: but we are prisoners of the present forever, transitioning between

913
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 3: our inaccessible past and our unknowable future. And so the

914
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 3: holy grail in there would be to step out of

915
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 3: that prison cell and access your timeline either forward or backwards.

916
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 3: I talk about that in a book as a possible

917
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 3: alien power where their relationship with time is different from ours.

918
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: And if they're living like a fourth or higher dimension,

919
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 3: then you know how you can move around in this

920
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 3: room up, down, left, right, and you can repeat that

921
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 3: all right. You're not a prisoner in any given spot.

922
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 3: Imagine your timeline stepping out of it and then rejoining it.

923
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: And then someone says, well, when were you born? No,

924
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 3: I'm always being born, right. Then when did you die?

925
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 3: I'm always dying right here, and I'm always doing all

926
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 3: these things at all times. So it changes how you

927
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 3: think about time. Now. With einstized relativity, if you go fast,

928
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 3: time will tick more slowly for you than people back

929
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 3: here on Earth, so that when you come back you

930
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 3: might have aged. Depending on how fast you go, you

931
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 3: could age a year and Earth would have aged ten years.

932
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 3: That was famously shown in the movie Interstellar. Did you

933
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 3: see that film?

934
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: I did, but I don't really remember that.

935
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 3: It's a lot of really crazy sciencey stuff.

936
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: Which his theory of relativity means that you can travel

937
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 1: to the future, yes, but you can't go backwards.

938
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,479
Speaker 3: No, you can't go backwards right. You can travel into

939
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 3: the future of the people who used to you were

940
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 3: hanging out with. Okay, and because because when you're traveling fast,

941
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 3: time ticks more slowly for you.

942
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: But traveling fast at the speed of light fast.

943
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 3: Speed of light, time stops. So you don't want to

944
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 3: go that fast you want to go you don't even

945
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 3: just half half of that be greedy.

946
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: But how are you traveling like that a space? You

947
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: have to be in a spaceship.

948
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 3: Or a rocket, I presume, otherwise space is not very

949
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 3: very good for you.

950
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: But I mean, people in space aren't time traveling.

951
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 3: They are if they traveled so astronauts moving five miles

952
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: per second. That's how fast they are in the special Okay,

953
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 3: small compared to the speed of light. But you can

954
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 3: calculate when they come back how much younger they are

955
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 3: compared with a twin that they might have left on Earth.

956
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 3: And so you can say, well, is it just a theory?

957
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 3: How do we know?

958
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: Wait, they're younger than their counterpart because.

959
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 3: They didn't age as fast, so therefore they're younger. Yeah,

960
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 3: they're not younger than when they left. They're just not

961
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 3: as old as they would have been had they stayed

962
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 3: on Earth. Yeah, I know, I know.

963
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: But if you can go forward, then you should be

964
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 1: able to go backwards.

965
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 3: Well except Scott.

966
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: Bacula did promise us this, and quantumly, I mean.

967
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 3: The issue is going back in time. Because so suppose

968
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 3: you go back in time and prevent your parents from

969
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 3: meeting each other.

970
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 1: That would be a great by the way, or as

971
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: was shown in at least one film, and I forgot

972
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: which one it was, might have even been a rival.

973
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 3: If you go back in time and delay your parents

974
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 3: for having sex for ten minutes, probably a different sperm

975
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 3: would have fertil lazed the egg and you would be

976
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 3: someone else. You'd be one of your siblings, but not you.

977
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: But I bet I'd still have a podcast.

978
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 3: So it doesn't require the gore of the terminator to

979
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 3: kill people to prevent someone from being born. Just prevent

980
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 3: two people from meeting. Watch. If you did that, then

981
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 3: you never have been born. To have gone back in

982
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 3: time to prevent them from meeting each other. Just think

983
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 3: it through. Think it through. So there is a paradox

984
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 3: of backwards time travel that is not entirely resolvable unless

985
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 3: the universe splits into a whole other world. And so

986
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,959
Speaker 3: they're the multi universe people who think this way.

987
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 2: They did talk a little bit about that in Dark Matter,

988
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: Blake Crouch's novel.

989
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: And then there was a.

990
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: Show that came out last year or last couple of years,

991
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: where you know, he is sort of it's a multiverse thing.

992
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 2: He's like, well, in this other universe, my wife and

993
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: I conceived our child of a few minutes different, and

994
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 2: it's like a boy instead of a girl, or it's

995
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 2: you know, a totally different.

996
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 3: Came So in that way, whatever timeline you disrupted, it

997
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 3: became its own timeline and its own future. So, because

998
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 3: you would have prevented your parents from meeting, and therefore

999
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 3: you would not have been born, to go back in

1000
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 3: time to prevent your parents from meeting, the only real

1001
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 3: way out of that is to have the universe split

1002
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 3: and you create a whole other timeline of events.

1003
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: But why does going back in time necessarily preclude you

1004
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: from being born?

1005
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 3: Only if you happened, either on purpose or by accident,

1006
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 3: prevented your parents from me each other.

1007
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: But isn't it a scientific theory? And maybe it's not.

1008
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: You tell me that for every like, for every thought

1009
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 1: or every action, there's a reaction.

1010
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 3: Well, in forces, yeah, there's a force.

1011
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: There's a there's an opposing force, correct, right, So if

1012
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: you could go into the future, you could go to

1013
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 1: the past.

1014
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, except it's not so much that you're stepping out

1015
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 3: of your timeline and then rejoining the future. Your time

1016
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 3: is just going more slowly going forward for everything. I

1017
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 3: understand that, just at a different rate. That's not the

1018
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 3: same thing as stepping out and rejoining. Okay, yeah, because

1019
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 3: to your point, if you could do that, then why

1020
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 3: not go to the past. But if you go back

1021
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 3: to the past, you're going back to a predestined.

1022
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: Event, event that has already happened, and.

1023
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 3: You're not going to change it. Okay, Okay, So now

1024
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 3: Stephen Hawking came out with a chronology uh protection conjecture,

1025
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 3: which is he's suggesting that maybe one day in the

1026
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 3: future we will discover a law of physics that says

1027
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 3: why that's impossible to happen. And what is that called

1028
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 3: a chronology protection?

1029
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: Correction protection?

1030
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 3: I didn't say erection, that would.

1031
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: No, I know, I don't worry. I won't on you.

1032
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 3: So, so this time travel thing is it's no end

1033
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 3: of storytelling and science fiction. People love it. Now here

1034
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 3: here's here's this scenario that I just want you to

1035
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 3: think about. Uh, there's a hypothetical particle called a tachion

1036
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 3: from the Greek root tachios, which is fast like tecometer

1037
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 3: measures how fast your engine is turning. So so we

1038
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 3: invented that word for this hypothetical particle that lives faster

1039
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 3: than the speed of light. Okay, if it did that,

1040
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 3: it would live backwards in time. So let's look at

1041
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 3: what that world would be like. And let's assume one

1042
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 3: day in the future we harness these tachions and I

1043
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 3: can send you a text with tachions. You would then

1044
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 3: get the text before I sent it. That's kind of cool.

1045
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 3: So watch what happens. You're my friend, I care about you.

1046
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 3: You're walking down the walkway and you slip on a

1047
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 3: banana peel and get hurt. And I say, okay, I

1048
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 3: can prevent that from happening. All I have to do

1049
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 3: is text you with tachions. Said you get a text

1050
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 3: before that happened. Okay, So watch what happens. I send

1051
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 3: you the text and I say, Chelsea, watch out for

1052
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 3: the banana peel. While you're reading the text, you step

1053
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 3: on the banana peel because you weren't looking where you

1054
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 3: were going, so the banana peel fate is built into

1055
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 3: that timeline.

1056
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: Okay, because it already happened.

1057
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 3: Because it already happened, because in a way I made

1058
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 3: it happen. I created that loop. And there's something called

1059
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 3: a gin particle. Since you're going there, I'm gonna take

1060
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 3: you all the way? Can you go all the way?

1061
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 3: You got that? Okay? A gin particle is a something

1062
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 3: that was never created nor destroyed. It only exists in

1063
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 3: a time loop. And it's freaky to think about this.

1064
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 3: Do you remember the movie Somewhere in Time. There's a

1065
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 3: love story that Christopher reeves in it. Okay, if not,

1066
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 3: let's go.

1067
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: To message in a bottle.

1068
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 3: I no, uh well, let me describe this Somewhere in Time,

1069
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 3: just because it's so romantic. He's a professor at a

1070
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 3: university and an elderly woman comes up to him and

1071
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 3: hands him a beautiful jeweled locket and says, come to me,

1072
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 3: come back to me, and then she disappears, and he

1073
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 3: gathers some information like what is this. He goes to

1074
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 3: a physics professor friend of his and said, she was

1075
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 3: around sixty years ago and she is asking you to

1076
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 3: come visit her. When they're in their twenties. Okay, and

1077
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Speaker 3: but I don't know how to time travel, but this

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Speaker 3: professor has a way to time travel. So he time travels,

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Speaker 3: goes back and meets her. She doesn't know who he is,

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Speaker 3: but she said, come back and meet me. So he

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00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 3: meets her in this like beach hotel and they befriend

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Speaker 3: one another. They fall in love, and he so much

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00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 3: feels for her. He gives her this locket that she

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00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 3: had given him in the future, and she cherishes that

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Speaker 3: until she hands it back to him sixty years later.

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Speaker 3: It's a beautiful love story. No action or anything, nor

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00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 3: chase scenes. It's just a you know it's and so

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00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 3: that locket was never created nor destroyed. It only exists

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Speaker 3: in this look you see what I'm saying. Okay. And

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Speaker 3: the Back to the Future Michael J. Fox version of

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Speaker 3: that is, I presume we remember this movie. Okay. He's

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Speaker 3: at the school dance. Yeah, and he's he's performing Johnny

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Speaker 3: be Good and the person who was hired to be

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Speaker 3: the band that night is the cousin of Chuck Berry. Okay,

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01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 3: and so he hears Michael J. Fox's character Marty performed this,

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Speaker 3: and he calls up Chuck Berry, Chuck, Chuck, this is

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Speaker 3: your cousin Marion or whatever not Marion, Marion Barry was

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01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 3: your mayor here whatever you guy's name.

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Speaker 1: Was, Martin Mark.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I was close, Chuck, Chuck, this is your cousin, Marvin.

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Speaker 3: This is that sound you've been looking for. And he

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01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 3: puts the phone out to the stage and he hears

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01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 3: Johnny be Good played by Michael J. Fox. There it is.

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Speaker 3: Johnny be Good was never written. It exists in this

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Speaker 3: time loop.

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Speaker 1: Right, And you've only given us two examples in movies.

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Speaker 3: I know because because it's a more subtle but for me,

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01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 3: highly interesting example of how a time line can trap

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Speaker 3: something in a loop.

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Speaker 1: So that would be a time warp, right.

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Speaker 3: No, next week I'm seeing Rocky Horror, I'm brother time

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Speaker 3: or anyhow, so time it's fun to talk about time.

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Speaker 3: And in the chapter Alien Powers, I explore the powers

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Speaker 3: that aliens have had in famous movies and to mind reading,

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Speaker 3: and I look at what's the physics of it? How

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01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 3: would that manifest? What? How what you should be cautious

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01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,959
Speaker 3: of if they can put a thought in your head?

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Speaker 1: Game over, well, it feels like that's already happening. But

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Speaker 1: it's not aliens, it's just algorithms.

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Speaker 3: And so we've already displayed our susceptibility. But if they

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01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 3: can do that neurologically, game over. So do you know

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Speaker 3: what can prevent electromagnetic penetration of your head? A metal

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Speaker 3: shield over your head because electromagnetic energy can't pass through

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Speaker 3: the metal. Okay, which is tinfoil hat?

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Speaker 1: All right, well, I guess you're gonna did you bring

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Speaker 1: some of those? I mean it only at an hour,

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01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: then it feels like I talked to you for thirty seconds.

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Speaker 1: I think I time warp.

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Speaker 3: So the tinfoil hat would resist penetration of electromagnetic energy,

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Speaker 3: which is what they would need to use to read

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01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 3: your mind, because your mind is creating electromenetic We know

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01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 3: we generate brain waves because you have electrochemical activity in

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01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 3: the brain, and principle that's readable in principle an advanced

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01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 3: alien technology. Why wouldn't they just be able to read

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01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 3: it like that? So, but you can't cheat physics and

1136
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 3: the physics you can't send waves through metal. So the

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Speaker 3: tinfoil hat, which of course in the old days was

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01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 3: made of tin, now it's aluminum. Aluminum foil hat is

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Speaker 3: what you would need in order to not have an

1140
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 3: alien either read your mind or implant your mind with

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Speaker 3: their thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Well, and also it's confusing now because artificial intelligence AI

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01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: has become such a big part of our culture and

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Speaker 1: our future, and that's what are It's like AI is

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01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: being blurred or blunted by by other AI. Like now

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01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: we have we have we have self made.

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01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 3: AI is AI itself. Right, Yeah, So in there I

1148
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 3: talk about a sufficiently intelligent alien would chuckle at our

1149
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 3: AI because for us, our great measure of our AI

1150
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 3: was can you simulate our intelligence? But an alien that's

1151
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 3: much more intelligent than us would just laugh.

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01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 1: At that, right, do you want to do that?

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01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 3: I'm way beyond you anyway? How charming that is? Well.

1154
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: The book is called Take Me to Your Leader. Perspectives

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01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: on your First Alien Encounter by Neil deGrasse Tyson, blessing

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Speaker 1: us with another.

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Speaker 3: Work of his Thank you for your interest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm always interested in talking to you. I like

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01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: the way you explain things. Thanks for coming and.

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01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 3: Enchanted by your curiosity. It's uh, it's it's an educator's

1161
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 3: dream to be surrounded by people who continue to ask

1162
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 3: questions well into adulthood. Long after childhood, because the real

1163
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 3: dip is coming out of elementary school. You go into

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01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 3: middle school and high school, the kids have such charming

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01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 3: curiosity and then it goes I think gonads kick in,

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01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 3: you know, and it's like there's a gap. Maybe it

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01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:48,479
Speaker 3: resurrects again.

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Speaker 1: I think it does in college. I think the classroom

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01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: isn't always the best place for learning for so many people.

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Speaker 3: It is, You're right, just the environment, Like sometimes you.

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Speaker 1: Just have to like that there's so many other social

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01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: aspects and like things can distract you that you really like,

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01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: I know, like I yeah, I think a lot of

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01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: my friends also feel the same way. Where you become

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01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: curious when it's not when you're not being forced to.

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01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 3: Maybe okay, because then it would naturally gurgle up within

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01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 3: you and yeah, being suppressed.

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Speaker 1: Or anything about this. Now I have the patience to learn,

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01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: whereas before I was like trying to forget a boyfriend

1180
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: in school, I had other things going on. You know,

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01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 1: there's a pecking order. I was trying to get to

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Speaker 1: the top of it. So there's other distractions, right, right,

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So, so I think a person who retains their curiosity

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Speaker 3: through there and into college. I think they're prime to

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01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 3: become scientists because then the world is your oyster, right

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01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 3: and and if you care that other people are as

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01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 3: excited as you, then you become an educator on top

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Speaker 3: of that. Love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is great, awesome.

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Speaker 3: Now, I love your work. I love your work right

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01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 3: back at you. You are you are, Just stay, stay.

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Speaker 1: Stay, I'll stay on top of it. I will no

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01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 1: problem there. Yeah, we do need it, we do, we do.

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Speaker 1: It'd be great if I mean, I'm actually looking forward

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01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: to Ailings coming and rescuing us and just like, listen,

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01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 1: we're so sorry about all of this. We're actually gonna

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Speaker 1: take over. I'd be like, thank you, thank you.

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