WEBVTT - Ep. 5 Cat & Mouse

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, mister President, for giving us some time and

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<v Speaker 1>some flexibility in today's agenda to make a very special

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<v Speaker 1>and important presentation. A year after Emory's death, her case

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<v Speaker 1>was still unsolved and someone new became interested. Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 1>City Council Member Josehuis from District fourteen. He presented a

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<v Speaker 1>motion to the City Council, which is broadcast on LA's

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<v Speaker 1>local government channel. Emory's family lined up behind him with

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<v Speaker 1>a portrait of Emory. This was back in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and seven. I am presenting a motion to renew a

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<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand dollars reward that we put out a few

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<v Speaker 1>months ago for any information leading to the arrest of

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<v Speaker 1>the individual or individuals who are responsible for the death

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<v Speaker 1>of a beautiful fourteen year old girl, Emory Munos. Josehisa

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<v Speaker 1>asked the LA City Council to renew a reward for

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<v Speaker 1>any information in her case. The family is seeking answers,

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<v Speaker 1>the family is seeking justice. His speech was a plea

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<v Speaker 1>for information, but it also had an underlying message. We

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<v Speaker 1>have reason to believe or the LAPD has told us

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<v Speaker 1>that the death of Emory Munos might have been related

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<v Speaker 1>to raid parties or fly parties. That drop up on

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<v Speaker 1>young people. His speech was a rallying cry for the

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<v Speaker 1>city of Los Angeles to crack down on party crews.

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<v Speaker 1>The young people who go to these parties are not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily bad kids. It's any one of our kids who

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<v Speaker 1>go to these parent parties who are allured by the

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<v Speaker 1>excitement of fun and enjoyment. But we have to put

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<v Speaker 1>everyone on notice that these parties may and can be dangerous,

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<v Speaker 1>and the city should between more to staff. These from

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<v Speaker 1>my heart Michael Bura Podcast Network, Vice and Elia Studios.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Party Cruz, The Untold Story. I'm Jannas Amilca.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a few memories of police raiding our parties.

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<v Speaker 1>One time, I remember the lights, music, smoke machine, everything

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<v Speaker 1>shutting off. The entire backyard went dark. Kids started running

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<v Speaker 1>through any exit, trying to hide behind cars on the

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<v Speaker 1>street to avoid getting a ticket. Cops with flashlights were

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<v Speaker 1>shining them in our faces, forming in the back to

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<v Speaker 1>clear out the house. I remember running away. I was

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<v Speaker 1>wearing sandals and my feet got wet because of the

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<v Speaker 1>dewey grass, but I never got caught. Even when the

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<v Speaker 1>parties didn't get rated, the cops were always in the

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<v Speaker 1>back of our minds, and that's because we were on

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<v Speaker 1>their minds. Generation like gang members, is emerging from the

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<v Speaker 1>underground party scene. Oh they don't start violent, but it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't take them along to get there. The people who

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<v Speaker 1>throw these kind of parties are called party crews, but

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<v Speaker 1>police say they're very similar to gangs. LAPD wasn't just

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<v Speaker 1>shutting down our parties. It was way more than that.

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<v Speaker 1>It felt like they saw our party crews as just

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<v Speaker 1>another version of a gang. It is a La City

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<v Speaker 1>gang that started off as a tag banging gang. They

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<v Speaker 1>are morphing into a traditional Hispanic turf gang. Law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>officials say they're coordinating on every level to attack the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>For us, dealing with the cops was just part of

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<v Speaker 1>being in the scene. Sometimes ten and fifteen cop cars

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<v Speaker 1>blocking off the street. Our first party a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>cop tames, and of course we would hide the Naud tank.

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<v Speaker 1>If the owner of the house was there there, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>give them the tickets. Sometimes, if they were like those

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<v Speaker 1>massive warehouse parties, that would be helicopters, they'll take the

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<v Speaker 1>amplifiers and the Sarato and then they'll give a D

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<v Speaker 1>a citation too. You lose your gear and you have

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<v Speaker 1>a court date. Way back before Emery's death, the police

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<v Speaker 1>were already on a mission to shut down flyer parties,

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<v Speaker 1>but the two thousands marked a new era in the

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<v Speaker 1>battle between cops and kids. In this episode, I talked

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<v Speaker 1>to the people who try to shut us down. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Captain j Roberts, James Roberts, I go by Jay. This

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<v Speaker 1>is Captain James Roberts. He's currently the commanding officer of

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<v Speaker 1>Rampart Area. Back in the two thousands, he used to

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<v Speaker 1>bust flyer parties. I sat down with him in an

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<v Speaker 1>LPD press room. In the tape, you can hear the

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<v Speaker 1>squeaking of Jay's belt which held his gun and a flashlight.

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<v Speaker 1>Who can afford it? So Jay was ready for our interview. No,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean I actually had filed the party related stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and in front of all the back he had pulled

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<v Speaker 1>out all the files that he had related to flyer parties.

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<v Speaker 1>As a team, I would have never had the chance

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<v Speaker 1>to interview or talk to an officer like this. Unequal footing. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>all these years later, I'm sitting across from someone who

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<v Speaker 1>patrolled the scene that was a part of I was curious,

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<v Speaker 1>how did he remember this? Time. I don't think party

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<v Speaker 1>crews were attracted any attention had they not been wildly

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<v Speaker 1>successful with hundreds of people showing up. Busting parties ended

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<v Speaker 1>up being a major part of his job. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal and I had a big role in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Jay used to work as a sergeant at the Foothill Division,

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<v Speaker 1>which serves the Northern Valley, the Pacoima to Hunga area.

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<v Speaker 1>He says they'd get a lot of phone calls from

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<v Speaker 1>the community. Were forty three thousand party related calls in

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<v Speaker 1>the city of la for two thousand and three. Leading

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<v Speaker 1>that was that Foothill area. It had three thousand, four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and four party calls. We were the party capital

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<v Speaker 1>of Los Angeles. And in the early two thousands, his

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<v Speaker 1>division would respond to these phone calls by going out

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<v Speaker 1>to parties, knocking on the door and say, hey, you

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<v Speaker 1>need to turn your music down. Here's your warning slip.

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<v Speaker 1>And then if I have to come back, I'll have

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<v Speaker 1>to impound some sound equipment or you know, write somebody

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<v Speaker 1>a ticket. The black and white police cars that were

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<v Speaker 1>sent out to do this, they were referred to as

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<v Speaker 1>party cars. Literally, it's like the opposite of a party bus.

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<v Speaker 1>These cars were trying to prevent parties, but they weren't working. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd never come back because you know, the person who

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<v Speaker 1>called the police in the first place is so frustrated

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<v Speaker 1>because nothing was done, and they won't call back. But

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<v Speaker 1>if it did call back, by the time we got

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<v Speaker 1>back around it was two in the morning, the party

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<v Speaker 1>was already over, so completely ineffective. Jay remembers one party

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<v Speaker 1>in particular in two thousand and four that he says

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<v Speaker 1>sparked a change in his division. It's a birthday party

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<v Speaker 1>for a kid ended up being a flyer party to

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<v Speaker 1>put flyers out. The party was on a Saturday, and

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<v Speaker 1>two kids were shot, you know, and I think they

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<v Speaker 1>were in their twenties, one from Panorama City and went

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<v Speaker 1>from Somar. That sort of began, at least as far

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<v Speaker 1>as the LAPD went, a shift in how we dealt

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<v Speaker 1>with just allowed or unlawful parties to begin with. We

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<v Speaker 1>had a press conference afterwards with the city Attorney's office saying, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the deal. You know, we're now going to respond

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<v Speaker 1>to these And it was my job at the time

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<v Speaker 1>to do something about it. So they switched it up.

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<v Speaker 1>They had to develop new strategies, to assess parties, like

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<v Speaker 1>sending undercover cops to check them out. A couple plane

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<v Speaker 1>clothes cops in a plane car. Two low key assess,

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<v Speaker 1>low p talk to whoever, no uniform, no scary cop presence.

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<v Speaker 1>And if the party had to be shut down and

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<v Speaker 1>it moved to another place, they were in the loop.

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<v Speaker 1>They were party goers too. Office, there's an everyday close

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<v Speaker 1>with a regular car. They just needed to blend in period.

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<v Speaker 1>They would provide intel, like if a party moved locations

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid the cops, would it be a young undercover cop.

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<v Speaker 1>How would you like go under the radar of a well,

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<v Speaker 1>would it would be somebody would baby face? Yeah, somebody

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<v Speaker 1>you know that could pass. We have twenty something cops,

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<v Speaker 1>We had young cops. They could do that. But you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>they did have to belue legitimate. Were they people up like?

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<v Speaker 1>Were they Latinos? Like? Were they in Pacoima? I would

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<v Speaker 1>undercover cops. Yes, absolutely, I would say the fifty percent

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<v Speaker 1>of our officers were Latino. Most of the guys in

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<v Speaker 1>that detail, we're Latino officers. It was the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>what LAPD referred to as the Party Suppression Team the

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<v Speaker 1>PST for short, Having parties, even really big, out of

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<v Speaker 1>control ones is a normal part of teenage life. But

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<v Speaker 1>whether the cops show up and slap you on the

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<v Speaker 1>wrist when the neighbors call, or create entire teams devoted

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<v Speaker 1>to targeting your parties clearly has a lot to do

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<v Speaker 1>with where you live and who you are. And when

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<v Speaker 1>it came to us Latin X teams in LA, these

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<v Speaker 1>undercover cops would actually go out and assess when our

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<v Speaker 1>parties were dangerous and when they were in their opinion, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we'd go out and we'd have undercover units that would

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<v Speaker 1>just look and if it was just a key signor

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<v Speaker 1>birthday party, family barbecue, make contact, you know, say hey,

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<v Speaker 1>can you guys keep the music down, you know, make

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<v Speaker 1>sure you're mindful of your neighbors. And then they'd say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we got one over here. Let's respond over here, and

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<v Speaker 1>the black and whites will respond and they would deal

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<v Speaker 1>with it in whatever way, whether it be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we got here too late, there's already three hundred people

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<v Speaker 1>here and we need to shut it down. They even

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<v Speaker 1>started coordinating with Los Angeles schools. I appeared in front

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<v Speaker 1>of the school board to educate them on what a

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<v Speaker 1>flyer party was they're just clueless as to what the

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<v Speaker 1>kids are doing, so just putting on their radar. When

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<v Speaker 1>you see this strangely written you know, graphic, and somebody

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<v Speaker 1>slaps it up on the school wall or bulletsin board,

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<v Speaker 1>or leaves it underneath the windshell wipers of all the

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<v Speaker 1>cars in the high school parking lot, you'll know what

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<v Speaker 1>this is. Officers were scouring the internet too. Remember in

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<v Speaker 1>the early two thousands, party promotion was also happening online.

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<v Speaker 1>We would also start to monitor or the internet. Back then,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't so much social media, but it was the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>Cops would monitor sites like drunken Faded dot com and

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<v Speaker 1>club events dot com. Social media was pretty new at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. My Space was a big player. They searched

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<v Speaker 1>online with keywords like underground parties, rave and flyer parties.

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<v Speaker 1>And they also monitored the phone numbers listed on the

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<v Speaker 1>back of the flyers, the info lines that were updated

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<v Speaker 1>with directions on the day of the party. We started

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<v Speaker 1>calling in the lines, We started finding out when the

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<v Speaker 1>parties would be, We started showing up, We started nimping

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<v Speaker 1>him in the bud and they started, you know, getting

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<v Speaker 1>more evasive, and so you know, cat and Mouse. Cat

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<v Speaker 1>and Mouse kids got really creative avoiding the cops. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're at a party, you're in the backyard and

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<v Speaker 1>the police coming and the music cutsdown. I kid you not.

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<v Speaker 1>We would always start seeing happy birthday. This is Max,

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<v Speaker 1>a Flyer partygoer in the sangyearbro Valley. Our senior producer,

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<v Speaker 1>Sophia polisa Are spoke to him on the phone. We'd

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<v Speaker 1>always think happy birthday. It's so stupid, right, what is

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<v Speaker 1>that would work? No? It never worked, It never worked.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. We'd always think happy birthday when the

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<v Speaker 1>police walked in, like it was some stupid birthday party

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<v Speaker 1>and not a freaking flor party. It wasn't black and white.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Jay again talking about the party suppression team.

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<v Speaker 1>There were party crews that were loosely associated groups of people.

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<v Speaker 1>There were people in it for the money. There were

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<v Speaker 1>tag bangers that were associated that sometimes didn't get along

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<v Speaker 1>with the cruise. The cruise you know, where everything from

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<v Speaker 1>just good kids and trying to have fun all the

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<v Speaker 1>way over to criminal enterprises. You know, that was also

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<v Speaker 1>what made it difficult. How do we figure out what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on here and deal with it appropriately? You I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned criminal enterprise. I wanted to know, like what you

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<v Speaker 1>mean by that. Well, it's it's illegal to charge. It's

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<v Speaker 1>illegal obviously to sell, you know, alcohol, illegal to sell

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<v Speaker 1>nitrosotic side balloons, and that's the level I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Once there's money involved. I'm curious, like, how would you

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<v Speaker 1>or like people on your team make the distinctions between

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<v Speaker 1>like whether a party was violent or not, Like, how

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<v Speaker 1>would you decide that if there was the presence of

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<v Speaker 1>gang members or a clear commercial enterprise. If it was

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<v Speaker 1>you know, ten kids getting together that call themselves a

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<v Speaker 1>party crew and weren't charging anything, we'd still probably shut

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<v Speaker 1>it down because because it's well, I take that back,

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<v Speaker 1>it would depend. That's that's that fine line right there.

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<v Speaker 1>If there was no no commercial end to it, it

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<v Speaker 1>would depend, you know, when you see it. Somebody asked

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<v Speaker 1>the definition of poor graphy once to somebody and their

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<v Speaker 1>answer was, I can't define it, but I know I

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<v Speaker 1>want to see it. It was you knew you could

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<v Speaker 1>feel it whether this was going to be a safe

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<v Speaker 1>environment or a dangerous environment. I was going to mention,

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<v Speaker 1>like gang members also go to kas Like they're also

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<v Speaker 1>like going to wedding you know, they're part of the community,

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<v Speaker 1>and so that's not to say there there there aren't.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, these elements weren't a part of other parties.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there were plenty of you know, family gatherings

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<v Speaker 1>that weren't fine, and then there were other family gatherings

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<v Speaker 1>for that reason that didn't go fine. I wanted him

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<v Speaker 1>to know from my own experience as a team that yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the parties could get out of control, but the cops

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<v Speaker 1>showing up and the way they went about it, that

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<v Speaker 1>could feel violent too, at least like my experience, Like

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<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of parties, There were a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of parties, they got broken up, and it was like,

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<v Speaker 1>really it was like a scary on both though scary

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<v Speaker 1>because they were shootings, but there was also scary because

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<v Speaker 1>the police would storm in there, Like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's scary, Like it's scary for a fifteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old helicopters, Yeah, to like hide in a closet. It

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<v Speaker 1>is like kind of it's scary now that I'm an

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<v Speaker 1>adult and I can understand the danger is that we

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<v Speaker 1>were in, but like as a child, it's scary right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Out of all the new strategies, the biggest change that

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<v Speaker 1>the party Suppression Team made was to site people right away,

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<v Speaker 1>don't knock on the door and warn them. Instead, give

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<v Speaker 1>people a ticket for loud music or selling alcohol without

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<v Speaker 1>a license right away. Jay says his team wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>find the parties and shut them down before they could

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<v Speaker 1>get big, especially before a helicopter gets sent out. This

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<v Speaker 1>sort of more strategic, surgical way of dealing on a

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<v Speaker 1>more low key way wouldn't involve tons of police cars

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<v Speaker 1>and a big presence and a helicopter with a night

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<v Speaker 1>sunlight over. That's how things were dealt with when things

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<v Speaker 1>had gone bad already. In this model, we try to

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<v Speaker 1>avoid that. We're not just gonna warrant anymore. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to say, hey, this is illegal and unlawful and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a high potential of violence. Here's your ticket right now,

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<v Speaker 1>or this thing's shut. That's what changed. In two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and four, Jay says, the party Suppression Team was seen

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<v Speaker 1>as a beacon of success. Jay remembers presenting their strategy

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<v Speaker 1>to Alihiti higher ups. I made a presentation at that

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<v Speaker 1>meeting and that became part of the citywide response. The

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<v Speaker 1>recommendation that if you have a problem with regard to

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<v Speaker 1>flyer parties, rave parties, crew parties. This is a best practice.

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<v Speaker 1>This on how to deal with them. This party suppression

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<v Speaker 1>team concept and the idea that you assess parties for

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<v Speaker 1>their violence potential. Our department policy changed in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and seven to allow for that immediate sighting or arresting

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<v Speaker 1>upon the first response if the situation warranted it, whereas

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<v Speaker 1>before it was always a warning and it was so

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<v Speaker 1>effective that it became a thing and was adopted citywide.

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<v Speaker 1>That's after the break. This program will provide you with

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<v Speaker 1>basic information to assist you in your duties. Identify flyer parties,

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<v Speaker 1>understand the drug and alcohol use common at flyer parties.

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<v Speaker 1>By the end of two thousand and four, LPD created

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<v Speaker 1>a training video for the entire department on how to

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<v Speaker 1>handle flyer parties based on the Party Suppression Team. These

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<v Speaker 1>are clips from the video. The most effective tool that

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<v Speaker 1>can be used by law enforcement in the policing of

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<v Speaker 1>flyer parties is rapid response. What started small with just

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<v Speaker 1>the Foothill Division woodspread. These are a few of the

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<v Speaker 1>points that should be considered from the Foothill Party Suppression Plan.

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<v Speaker 1>Maintain zero tolerance for loud or unlawful parties. Gather intail before, during,

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<v Speaker 1>and after parties have been identified, identify, assess, terminate, deploy

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<v Speaker 1>a party suppression team or a party car. We obtain

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<v Speaker 1>the training video through a public records request. Watching it

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<v Speaker 1>reminds me of how much we are being watched and

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<v Speaker 1>studied and how we had no idea, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea. Inside these locations and during the party,

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<v Speaker 1>promoters go the distance to provide a stimulating mix of drugs, alcohol,

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<v Speaker 1>and music that encourage it dancing, competition, and promiscuity. The

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<v Speaker 1>video features greeny footage from fire parties with the this

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<v Speaker 1>blurred out, and pictures of flyers. One of the parties

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<v Speaker 1>had the name Reggaeton versus Hip Hop Part three. The

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<v Speaker 1>video also showed partygoers inhaling NAZ from balloons. Nitrous oxide

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<v Speaker 1>stations are set up to feed the crowd with a

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<v Speaker 1>mind altering substance that can create a volatile situation. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>NAS was a big part of the training video. You

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<v Speaker 1>can arrest someone for nitros oxide as long as they're

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<v Speaker 1>possessing it with the intent to consume. When I see

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like this, I can't help but think, but they

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<v Speaker 1>become part of the permanent record, traces of my teenage years,

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<v Speaker 1>examined and filed away by their nature. Flyer parties include

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<v Speaker 1>elements that create a fertile environment for violence. They become history,

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<v Speaker 1>at least one version of it, one version of us.

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<v Speaker 1>We took an interest because that may have been the

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<v Speaker 1>most island a year of flyer or raved parties in

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<v Speaker 1>our history. I mean, there seemed like they were going

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<v Speaker 1>every month, somebody was being shot or injured. BERNARD'SI. Parks

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<v Speaker 1>was a chief of the LPD in the late nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the chief during the Rampart Scandal, the investigation

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<v Speaker 1>into an anti gang unit in the Rampart Division that

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<v Speaker 1>was accused of massive corruption. He later became a city

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<v Speaker 1>council member. He represented the eighth district for over ten years,

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<v Speaker 1>which serves South la. We had of what appeared to

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<v Speaker 1>be almost every weekend, even though they may not have

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<v Speaker 1>been a shooting, there were these activities that were unsupervised

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<v Speaker 1>and people were taking advantage of abandoned houses, of abandoned buildings.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and four, the same time Captain J.

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<v Speaker 1>Roberts was setting up the Party Suppression Team, council member

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<v Speaker 1>BERNARD'SI Parks put out a motion to create a party

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<v Speaker 1>task force. According to the motion, thirteen people died from

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<v Speaker 1>gunshot wounds at flyer parties in La County. He wrote

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<v Speaker 1>that quote party crews advertise wet T shirt and g

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<v Speaker 1>string contests or hot women, or that quote parties act

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<v Speaker 1>as nightclubs, though without fire codes, security checks, and dorman

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<v Speaker 1>asking for idea. During our interview, the only time Bernard

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<v Speaker 1>really got excited was explaining to me how he would

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<v Speaker 1>go after party crews by citing people for things like

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<v Speaker 1>putting up a flyer. People use other people's properties, such

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<v Speaker 1>as city lighting poles and telephone poles to advertise something

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<v Speaker 1>that they're getting a financial benefit, which is illegal. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the other issue is is who cleans them up

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<v Speaker 1>when the party's over. No one, and so it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like they go and post them and then go tear

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<v Speaker 1>them down after the party. I never knew that you

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't put a flyer on a city pole or a

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<v Speaker 1>lamp a lamp post, So all those concert posters I

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<v Speaker 1>see off the freeway are like they're illegal. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>the first time illegal raves or underground parties were brought

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<v Speaker 1>to the attention of the city Council. In nineteen ninety six,

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<v Speaker 1>council Member Richard Aracon filed emotion ask him for a

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<v Speaker 1>few things, including recommendations on how to crack down on

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<v Speaker 1>illegal parties. Then in two thousand and four, Bernard filed

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<v Speaker 1>his motion and base of the files we found that

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<v Speaker 1>was the last time flyer parties were brought up in

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<v Speaker 1>the city Council until three years later two thousand and seven,

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<v Speaker 1>the year that Jose we Said brought Emory's case to

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<v Speaker 1>the council. Joshi said is someone you may have heard of,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you live in La Breaking New La City

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<v Speaker 1>Council and Jose Weezar has been charged with a thirty

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<v Speaker 1>four count federal grand jury indictment alleging wide ranging political corruption.

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<v Speaker 1>Not the most popular Angelino anyway, long before we saw

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<v Speaker 1>it made headlines. In two thousand and seven, he brought

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<v Speaker 1>the motion to the City Council asking for them to

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<v Speaker 1>renew the reward for fifty thousand dollars for any information

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<v Speaker 1>in Emory's case. He also asked the city council to

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<v Speaker 1>crack down on flyer parties and party crews. This is

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<v Speaker 1>part of his motion, which was read to the room

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<v Speaker 1>by his Chief of Staff, Joseph Abila, at a public

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<v Speaker 1>safety committee meeting. The Los Angeles Police Department believes that

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<v Speaker 1>Emory is one of many young people who died as

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<v Speaker 1>a consequence of the violence that surrounds flyer or rave parties,

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<v Speaker 1>as they're sometimes known. Over the last few years, police

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<v Speaker 1>have made attempts to crack down on these parties by

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<v Speaker 1>enforcing state and local criminal laws, but unfortunately, hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>young adults continue to and these parties. Again a reminder

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<v Speaker 1>that there was and is no actual evidence that we

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<v Speaker 1>know of of Emory's murder being directly tied to a

0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:16.400
<v Speaker 1>flyer party. LPD responded to we sat his motion with

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<v Speaker 1>various ideas to combat parties. They suggested working with the

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles School District to make pamphlets for parents and kids,

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<v Speaker 1>and even lesson plans for high school health classes on

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<v Speaker 1>the dangers of flyer parties, including substance abuse. They also

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<v Speaker 1>suggested looking into stricter penalties for promoters who violated the law,

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<v Speaker 1>or making them reimburse the city for any costs if

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<v Speaker 1>police had to intervene. The city attorney looked into it

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<v Speaker 1>and ultimately reported that there were already enough laws on

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<v Speaker 1>the books and that LPD just needed to use them

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<v Speaker 1>to stop the parties and all the problems that come

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<v Speaker 1>with them. There is a responsibility on the part of

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<v Speaker 1>owners to secure vacant properties. That's on the books, and

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<v Speaker 1>the finds associated with that are actually the maximum allowable

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<v Speaker 1>under the municipal code one thousand dollars and or six

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<v Speaker 1>months in jail. But what I heard in these recordings

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<v Speaker 1>of committee meetings is that it wasn't so simple. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to see that. At the same time, the caution

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<v Speaker 1>is that when you start talking about homeowners having events

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<v Speaker 1>where money changes hands, if people are often a certain

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<v Speaker 1>it's in the same neighborhoods having charity fundraisers, They're having

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of events where people are making contributions, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's allowed to do that in your own home, And

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<v Speaker 1>so it's a it's a real thin line. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>real thin line, a real thin line between what city

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<v Speaker 1>council or LPD saw as a legitimate party and what's

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<v Speaker 1>not or more like, who is allowed to hold these

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<v Speaker 1>events homeowners having charity fundraisers. I know it's a small detail,

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<v Speaker 1>but it feels like it's not noise or exchange of

0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:08.840
<v Speaker 1>money they were taking issue with, but the actual people

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<v Speaker 1>who were partying, What did you think was the best

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<v Speaker 1>solution to stopping violence from happening? And like what safe

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<v Speaker 1>parting could look like in like two thousand and four,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say, yeah, that's that's a good question. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew that safe partying would look like family gatherings

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<v Speaker 1>and not party crew gatherings. This is Captain j Roberts again.

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<v Speaker 1>Party crew gatherings created the environment for violence to evolve.

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<v Speaker 1>Family parties less so. But then again, who wants to

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<v Speaker 1>go to the family party when they're a thirteen year old?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? So I didn't have that answer. This is

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<v Speaker 1>just an age old problem. You know. Young kids need

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<v Speaker 1>to burn off steam, need to dance, need to have fun,

0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:01.359
<v Speaker 1>need to hell at the movie. Where can they do

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<v Speaker 1>that safely? And where can somebody from a community with

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:07.479
<v Speaker 1>less resources to do that safely? It's tougher for some

0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:10.480
<v Speaker 1>of the folks in this neighborhood to find something to

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<v Speaker 1>do legally and lawfully because it costs more. I'm kind

0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:20.040
<v Speaker 1>of surprised to hear that he's articulating an idea. I

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:23.399
<v Speaker 1>think about a lot. How can kids who have a

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<v Speaker 1>need to let loose do it in a safe way.

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<v Speaker 1>I also asked Bernard's Parks, the former city council member,

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<v Speaker 1>about this. Like house parties, legal house parties, they might

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<v Speaker 1>not have the resources to get those permits or rent

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<v Speaker 1>out of space or pay for security, and those things

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<v Speaker 1>are important, but what if they lack the resources to

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<v Speaker 1>even begin to do it the right way? Just like

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<v Speaker 1>anything else, if you don't have the money to go

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<v Speaker 1>in business, you can't go in business. But the thing

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<v Speaker 1>is the mainful because of the party crew scene wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>about being in business. Some people did earn money organizing,

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<v Speaker 1>but that wasn't the main goal. Historically, the term safe

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<v Speaker 1>space has been used to describe the spaces in which

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<v Speaker 1>movements are organized, like college campuses or churches, like the

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<v Speaker 1>anti Vietnam War movement or the civil rights movement. The

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<v Speaker 1>way we talk about safe spaces today, we often mean

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<v Speaker 1>spaces in which people can express their identity freely, like

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<v Speaker 1>at a gay bar or a black student union. For me,

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<v Speaker 1>when I think about party crews, it's in these spaces

0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 1>that I was able to let loose and try things

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<v Speaker 1>out and be myself. Still, I have to recognize that

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<v Speaker 1>just because it was safe for me to be myself

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean it was necessarily physically safe, at least not

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. The policing, city council. All this was

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<v Speaker 1>happening around us while we were trying to live in

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<v Speaker 1>the moment and create our own approximation of a safe

0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:08.520
<v Speaker 1>space exist in our bubble. Like lots of people do.

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<v Speaker 1>Our bubble happened to be made up of party crews,

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<v Speaker 1>the parties, all the partygoers. That was our community, and

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<v Speaker 1>we were good at creating that community, so good that

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<v Speaker 1>we found ways of connecting with party crews all across

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<v Speaker 1>the city and county, and we soon realized that our

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<v Speaker 1>world was bigger than we had ever imagined. What was

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<v Speaker 1>the moment where you were like, oh shit, this is

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<v Speaker 1>like this is getting bigger than I thought. Or when

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<v Speaker 1>was that when people start asking me to post a

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<v Speaker 1>flier on the site, When the servers begin to crash

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<v Speaker 1>right because there's just so many people trying to log in,

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<v Speaker 1>that's next time. This episode was written, reported, and hosted

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<v Speaker 1>by me Janashimoka. Our show is produced and reported by

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<v Speaker 1>Sofia Pelissa car Victoria Lejandro, and Kyle Chang, and edited

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<v Speaker 1>by Antonia Seedhido additional editing by Annie Abulis, fact checking

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<v Speaker 1>by Nidia Vautista, sound design and original music composition by

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle Murdoch. Our supervising producer is Janet Les, Art by

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<v Speaker 1>Julie Ruiz and Victuakllon. Our executive producer from Vice Audio

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<v Speaker 1>is Kay Osbourne. Our executive producers from Elias Studios are

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<v Speaker 1>Antonia Seedhido and Leo gi. Our vice president of Podcasts

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<v Speaker 1>from Elias Studios is Shane and Naomi Kracmal. Special thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to the UCLA Department of Communication Archive for access to

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<v Speaker 1>their news collection Party Cruz. The Untold Story is a

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<v Speaker 1>Send us your party flyers or photos. I'd love to

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