Speaker 1: All right, guys.
Speaker 2: The decision by Josh McDaniels is to try the field
Speaker 2: goal for a seven point lead, fifty two yard drive
Speaker 2: by Daniel Carlson. He hits the uprights, no going, poor man,
Speaker 2: Rush Love end zone intercepted.
Speaker 1: Good night, picked.
Speaker 3: Off by a Meek Robertson. Good night to the Green
Speaker 3: Bay Packers. The call there from Joe Buck on the ESPN.
Speaker 3: Jordan Love threw three interceptions, including that final pass picked
Speaker 3: off in the end zone right in front of Christian Watson,
Speaker 3: the decided play in a seventeen to thirteen win for
Speaker 3: the Las Vegas Raiders and a very rowdy environment there.
Speaker 3: That's a good I've said it before in the show
Speaker 3: and again, and I know there's a lot of Packers
Speaker 3: fans in that building, but that's a good vibe. That's
Speaker 3: a good primetime vibe. There's a lot of energy in
Speaker 3: that building for these primetime games, and maybe that's part
Speaker 3: of just the Raiders, a lore of it all. Dan
Speaker 3: Hans is here, Greg Rosenthal there, Greggy, this was I'll
Speaker 3: remember this game for Max Crosby, going ham and just
Speaker 3: game wrecking in a way that the even the box
Speaker 3: score maybe doesn't tell the whole story and the Raiders
Speaker 3: surviving another Josh McDaniel's head scratcher, they advance and end
Speaker 3: of three game losing streak.
Speaker 4: I know, I'm like trying to decide whether I start
Speaker 4: positive or start negative, because the negative is McDaniel's, the
Speaker 4: positive is Crosby. Let's start Crosby. Because this has been
Speaker 4: a bad Raiders era. I don't see it getting better.
Speaker 4: This win didn't change my mind there now two and three.
Speaker 4: To me, they're a team destined for between five and
Speaker 4: seven wins, and to win that many games, you gotta
Speaker 4: get some and a home game against this Packers team
Speaker 4: who's searching is a logical place to get it. But
Speaker 4: I do think if you're a Raiders fan, players like
Speaker 4: Mas Crosby, Max Crosby specifically, he is the player. Now
Speaker 4: you have DeVante Adams too, but he is the player
Speaker 4: that's been the Raiders last few years, bawling out in
Speaker 4: primetime and showing the national audience who he is in
Speaker 4: a way that I just don't think you could appreciate
Speaker 4: unless you're watching him snap to snap, game to game,
Speaker 4: just ball out. He is one of the best defensive
Speaker 4: players in the entire NFL. It's crazy how many great
Speaker 4: edge rushers we have, but he's right there with all
Speaker 4: of them.
Speaker 1: And you're right.
Speaker 4: It was a sack four tackles for loss, which is
Speaker 4: a huge number, but also just hurries and making Jordan
Speaker 4: Love uncomfortable. And no matter what they're doing, whether it's
Speaker 4: throw two tight ends at him or throw a double team,
Speaker 4: or he's looping all the way inside, he was just everywhere,
Speaker 4: playing with his hair on fire in a game that,
Speaker 4: like we talked about it, we can get into it.
Speaker 4: Is this a good game? Is this bag game? I
Speaker 4: don't know, but there was like two great players in it.
Speaker 4: DeVante Adams was quiet and showed up a little late,
Speaker 4: but Max Crosby was truly great, and I think he
Speaker 4: was basically the reason the Raiders won this game seventeen thirteen.
Speaker 3: Chuck, Please thank you, Brent. Yeah, he's the heart and
Speaker 3: soul of that defense. He is. I was thinking about
Speaker 3: it while I was watching one of the many you
Speaker 3: know cutaways where they showed him either on the field
Speaker 3: or on the sideline with his helmet off. As has
Speaker 3: a guy ever looked like he should be playing for
Speaker 3: the Raiders more than Max Crosby. It was kismet how
Speaker 3: he landed there, and we know about his personal struggles
Speaker 3: that he dealt with in addiction and he overcame that
Speaker 3: and now he has a wife and a baby who's
Speaker 3: turning one next week, and it's all, you know, a great,
Speaker 3: great success story for Max Crosby. And there was a
Speaker 3: great moment. I don't know if you saw this, Gregiks
Speaker 3: you were wrapping up your overseas telecast Channel five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to the Channel five viewers who were up.
Speaker 3: The Channel five news team Lisa Salters is beginning an
Speaker 3: interview with Crosby postgame, and this is his big game
Speaker 3: and his big stage and a big moment in his
Speaker 3: career here in primetime after a dramatic win, and Rich Pasacia,
Speaker 3: who was an assistant head coach when Crosby came into
Speaker 3: the league with the Raiders, he was the interim coach
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one. Pasachi kind of grabs him by
Speaker 3: the hand and they have this embrace, kind of a
Speaker 3: pretty emotional, like I love you man type embrace, and
Speaker 3: it was a reminder again of this journey that Crosby
Speaker 3: has been on for a Raiders team that seems in
Speaker 3: general Gregy and maybe we said before we get to
Speaker 3: the Packers some of the other sense around the Raiders
Speaker 3: that they seem like an organization stuck in neutral with
Speaker 3: a middle of the road quarterback and Jimmy g and
Speaker 3: a head coach. That yeah, I mean, let's just kind
Speaker 3: of touch on what gave the Packers a chance to
Speaker 3: even steal this game, because I was, you know, they
Speaker 3: came back from commercial and they all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: Daniel Carlson's lining up for a field goal, and I
Speaker 3: I had to like, I had to do like a
Speaker 3: double take because I say, that's impossible. They have a fourth,
Speaker 3: and they have a fourth and two. I think it
Speaker 3: was a fourth.
Speaker 1: Long one. I'm giving it.
Speaker 3: And so you have Josh Jacobs. And I know Josh
Speaker 3: Jacobs hasn't been vintage Josh Jacobs this season. After the
Speaker 3: whole day over there.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, I know the numbers weren't crazy, but
Speaker 4: he he's getting there.
Speaker 3: And you saw it last week. He had a quality
Speaker 3: game and and tonight he did some things. And you
Speaker 3: are up by four points. If you get the first down,
Speaker 3: it's over. You could punt it away and give Jordan Love.
Speaker 3: On a day where the offense of the Packers are
Speaker 3: struggling a long field and dare them to score a touchdown.
Speaker 3: The one decision to don't make and by the way,
Speaker 3: all the pop pop the hood analytics analytics back this
Speaker 3: up is you don't go for the field goal because
Speaker 3: even if you make the long field goal, which they
Speaker 3: don't because even though he's a great kicker, Daniel Carlson
Speaker 3: bangs it off the upright, you're still only up seven
Speaker 3: and you're kicking the ball back to Green Bay and
Speaker 3: they have a chance to tire or even win if
Speaker 3: they score a touchdown and gopher two. So the fact
Speaker 3: that McDaniels makes that decision, and it's not the first
Speaker 3: time now, Greg in this Josh McDaniels error, that he's
Speaker 3: making decisions that you know, the opposing team, the players,
Speaker 3: the coaching staff, the fans are all hyped when they
Speaker 3: see McDaniel's making a certain decision and that's how you
Speaker 3: know it was the wrong one. They got away with
Speaker 3: one and McDaniels again, I don't know where Mark where
Speaker 3: Mark Davis is at right now in terms of how
Speaker 3: he feels about the state of his team and the
Speaker 3: head coach who's under fire but that could have been
Speaker 3: a situation where they blow that game and what happens
Speaker 3: on Tuesday morning. I don't know. So McDaniels ducks a
Speaker 3: lightning bolt here in my opinion.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally agree. And sometimes it's not even about analytics.
Speaker 4: It's just like, use common sense. All you have to
Speaker 4: do is make a play and you win the game.
Speaker 4: And that play is a two yard gain. You've been
Speaker 4: running it pretty well. The offense had just had a
Speaker 4: go ahead touchdown driving the fourth quarter. They also had
Speaker 4: a three and out right after the interception, but they
Speaker 4: were moving the ball in this drive. It was actually
Speaker 4: an impressive drive. They got the ball back I believe,
Speaker 4: with about what four and a half minutes to go
Speaker 4: checking your five and a half minutes to go, and
Speaker 4: they pick up a few first downs and burn some clock,
Speaker 4: and you're like, okay, Raiders, be a professional team here.
Speaker 4: All you need is two more yards and that wins
Speaker 4: the game. What's even a higher likelihood making a fifty
Speaker 4: two yard field goal or picking up two yards? It's
Speaker 4: about the same, except one ends the game and the
Speaker 4: other doesn't at all. And his defense saves him into
Speaker 4: Mark Davis. You know you saw him Yeah, looks like
Speaker 4: he's happy in his relationship, but I don't think he
Speaker 4: was happy with Josh McDaniels. They showed his face after
Speaker 4: that swing pass to who is it? DeAndre Carter, their
Speaker 4: kick returner on third and goal when you have DeVante
Speaker 4: Adams on your team, and Mark Davis looked pissed. That
Speaker 4: was the three and out after the interception, And so
Speaker 4: that was kind of an example in this game where
Speaker 4: the defense is bawling out, where the offense had a
Speaker 4: chance to really, you know, go up two scores in
Speaker 4: that situation, and they're throwing like eight yards short of
Speaker 4: the end zone on third and goal, and they had
Speaker 4: another three and out that came after Love's second interception
Speaker 4: the night, which was in the fourth quarter. And so
Speaker 4: even though the offense did enough tonight to win, and
Speaker 4: we can give a little more on the offense if
Speaker 4: you want, I didn't feel any differently really about this.
Speaker 4: They didn't top three hundred yards. They did just enough
Speaker 4: to win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it. DeVante Adams was also interviewed after
Speaker 3: the game. I saw it on ESPN before I popped
Speaker 3: down here, and he acknowledged that he's not one hundred
Speaker 3: percent that he's not. He's kind of grinding a little
Speaker 3: bit right now. I think it's the shoulder and that
Speaker 3: partially maybe affected why he was and his usual game
Speaker 3: wrecking self. So I mean they're gonna be in a
Speaker 3: bad spot. This isn't a we've talked about it before.
Speaker 3: This Raiders offense, and even on the other side of
Speaker 3: the ball with Max Crosby, the clear headliner has some
Speaker 3: top line talent, but not a lot of depth. And
Speaker 3: when you take DeVonta Adams out of it, or at
Speaker 3: least a top four of them himself, Kobe Myers is
Speaker 3: a pretty good number two, but he's no number one.
Speaker 3: We're still waiting for Michael Mayer, the first round pick
Speaker 3: tight end, to make a big difference. We know Hunter
Speaker 3: renfro is lost in space, has been all season long.
Speaker 3: He's in the doghouse apparently with Josh McDaniels and Josh Jacobs,
Speaker 3: has yet to really find his form. So this is
Speaker 3: maybe a little less than what they're typically able to
Speaker 3: give you, But this is not a team that's gonna
Speaker 3: give you four hundred total yards a week. I mean
Speaker 3: about three three point fifty I think is what they're
Speaker 3: designed to do. And the hope that Crosby makes a
Speaker 3: big play. It's a pretty the needle to thread for
Speaker 3: Raiders to win games. It's pretty tight, and as you
Speaker 3: could see today.
Speaker 4: They need Jimmy G to play better. I don't think
Speaker 4: this was a great Jimmy G game. You know, when
Speaker 4: there was a play where Meyer could have had a
Speaker 4: big play and it was a second reaction play where
Speaker 4: Jimmy's on the move and he missed it, and Troy
Speaker 4: Aikman was apoplectic about it, but I was just like,
Speaker 4: that's kind of who Jimmy G is. He's not gonna
Speaker 4: make second reaction play and the timings a little off.
Speaker 4: His decision making has been a little off. I think
Speaker 4: he and Josh McDaniels might be a little surprised how
Speaker 4: slow the transition's been for Jimmy G. Because I thought
Speaker 4: he might be an upgrade on how Derek Carr played
Speaker 4: last year, and Derek Carr didn't play well for the
Speaker 4: Raiders last year, and he hasn't been I would say
Speaker 4: he so far, he's been a little bit of a downgrade.
Speaker 4: But he did make just enough place tonight, and professional
Speaker 4: wide receiver Jacoby Myers helped him get across the line.
Speaker 3: He had a nice game, and Derek Carr is always
Speaker 3: catching strays on this show from people that are not me.
Speaker 3: But you know the fact that he was able to
Speaker 3: step in and the team was whatever. But at least
Speaker 3: Devanta Adams was still Devontae Adams. And maybe he's just
Speaker 3: not healthy right now this season.
Speaker 4: He was before this week. But you're right, Jimmy g
Speaker 4: can't throw the ball down the field. They can't really
Speaker 4: do the second reaction.
Speaker 3: Tough Watchlo And I just wonder Greg, like, when a
Speaker 3: time when it comes time for Josh McDaniels, because the
Speaker 3: rubber is going to meet the road here and this
Speaker 3: team is going to be heading towards crossroad station. Despite
Speaker 3: today's good outcome, how long he sticks with Garoppolo when
Speaker 3: he could get a look at O'Connell, a further look
Speaker 3: at him, We'll see. I don't know, very favorable.
Speaker 1: They have the Patriots, they have one hard game.
Speaker 4: I'm forgetting who it is up to out my head,
Speaker 4: and then they have both New York teams, so it
Speaker 4: actually is like, I mean, no win is guaranteed for
Speaker 4: the Raiders, but I looked at that schedule, I was like, hm,
Speaker 4: they can maybe go three and two with that schedule,
Speaker 4: like and maybe get to four and five, and like,
Speaker 4: when you're hoping that that's that's the upside, that's that's
Speaker 4: not an exciting place to be. But when when Josh
Speaker 4: McDaniel is breaking out like seven different trick plays, it's
Speaker 4: a sign he knows he doesn't really have like an
Speaker 4: offense other than the trick plays.
Speaker 3: Correction, Michael Mayer was a second round pick in the
Speaker 3: four fourth pick of the second round. Man, you don't
Speaker 3: need that, Greg, he is the Patriot f And now
Speaker 3: you get a Jimmy gar revenge game on the plate.
Speaker 3: What else could go wrong?
Speaker 4: I mean, that would be a dark moment. I guess,
Speaker 4: listen to this Raiders team, but how much lower it
Speaker 4: can it get? That's as good as a possible you know,
Speaker 4: opponent you could have by the way Pat's Bears, Lions,
Speaker 4: and then both New York teams.
Speaker 3: I mean it should be okay. I mean, if you.
Speaker 1: The games, they're capable of doing that.
Speaker 3: And now the other side of it, and listen, Aaron
Speaker 3: Jones is a surprise scratch here. Apparently he had a
Speaker 3: setback with the hamstring and now he's back. You know,
Speaker 3: it's up in the air. What his situation is. They
Speaker 3: give the ball to aj Dillon to you know, various
Speaker 3: levels of success in this game, but the Jordan Love thing.
Speaker 3: This is the worst game that I know. He's had
Speaker 3: really exciting, promising games. He's had some bad games. This
Speaker 3: one was probably the worst that I've seen him play.
Speaker 3: It just felt like he could not get comfortable, really
Speaker 3: settle himself into this game. There was you know, three
Speaker 3: bad three interceptions, one of them I believe the second
Speaker 3: pick or the first. They were all kind of bad. Actually,
Speaker 3: even the third one. I know it's kind of desperation time,
Speaker 3: but it's it's just a balloon in the end zone.
Speaker 3: And I mean, there's what do you take out of
Speaker 3: the love performance? And in general, Greg, what have you
Speaker 3: thought of him? Now that we've gotten five game look
Speaker 3: at him.
Speaker 4: I'm getting a little concerned. I think the last two
Speaker 4: games have been his worst. Two in a row. Now
Speaker 4: one against Detroit and now this one, both in primetime erratic.
Speaker 4: He had the highest average yards per attempt air yards
Speaker 4: per attempt going into this game. It was almost ten,
Speaker 4: so everything was down the field and it was like
Speaker 4: let's count on his big arm and let's take all
Speaker 4: these chances, and they were hitting enough big plays that
Speaker 4: you were excited about today. He almost didn't throw anything
Speaker 4: over ten yards. At one point in the second half,
Speaker 4: he was two for six on throws over ten yards
Speaker 4: with two interceptions, and he ended up throwing that third
Speaker 4: interception on another deep pass. And all I could think
Speaker 4: watching this game was like they literally didn't have a
Speaker 4: straight drop back passing game.
Speaker 3: No, he was.
Speaker 4: All it was was like a couple like rollouts and
Speaker 4: play a couple of play actions. But if you had
Speaker 4: if you asked him, And I know I'm going on
Speaker 4: too much, but like that Crosby sack was one of
Speaker 4: the biggest plays in the game because it put them
Speaker 4: in a situation where they actually had to drop back
Speaker 4: and pass on like a normal play for lack of
Speaker 4: a better word, where they're like, wasn't a bunch of
Speaker 4: like things going on and play action And that's where
Speaker 4: Marcus Peters made a nice play and tipped it and
Speaker 4: there was an interception, Like he just couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: He was scrambled looking at the defense.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He finished sixteen to thirty one, two no touchdowns,
Speaker 3: three picks. Warren Sharp tweeted out on passes thrown over
Speaker 3: five yards tonight three of eleven with three picks negative
Speaker 3: point seven to eight epa per a ten. It just
Speaker 3: wasn't It wasn't happening for this passing game. And you
Speaker 3: know it. It was never going to be an easy
Speaker 3: ride for the Packers. But I you know, first year
Speaker 3: post Rogers, but I think there was and I know
Speaker 3: there was because we talked a lot about in the summer.
Speaker 3: There was a general sense of optimism both the way
Speaker 3: last season ended and then just this is why I
Speaker 3: got to really be careful during the summer. I mean,
Speaker 3: there was such glowing praise pouring out of Wisconsin. You
Speaker 3: thought that Jordan Love was essentially going to just hit
Speaker 3: the ground running as a third Hall of Famer, and
Speaker 3: it's just very clear it's not that way right now,
Speaker 3: and this is going to be a player that needs
Speaker 3: time to develop. That said, you know, Greg, he's in
Speaker 3: his fourth year, so I know this is his first
Speaker 3: year as a full time starter. What kind of leash
Speaker 3: does a guy get when he has that unusual ramp
Speaker 3: up period in today's game? Obviously this season, but I
Speaker 3: think overall I had to give him a grade so far,
Speaker 3: i'd probably hit him with a C plus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd give him a SEA.
Speaker 4: I don't think he's a normal rookie or like young
Speaker 4: player to talk about because he's not even on his
Speaker 4: rookie contract anymore. They resigned him for this sort of
Speaker 4: weird in between two year deal where he has some
Speaker 4: guaranteed money into next year and he's making closer to
Speaker 4: Gino money on that fifth year option, like that level
Speaker 4: quarterback than he is like a guy in a second
Speaker 4: or his third year. So I'm not gonna push the
Speaker 4: panic button though, because it's such a long season and
Speaker 4: they do have some good excuses in terms of their
Speaker 4: offensive line has been shuffling every week, Watson hasn't been
Speaker 4: healthy until this game was his first compliment of full snaps,
Speaker 4: but they looked better in the first couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: It's always a little concerning to me because I think
Speaker 4: the first few weeks it's like it's almost like extended preseason,
Speaker 4: and Lafleur was cooking up some really open receivers, and
Speaker 4: I feel like October you settle into the season, you
Speaker 4: start settling into teams that are stacking, that they're building.
Speaker 4: I think the Raiders defense kind of showed tonight. Okay,
Speaker 4: they're areten to get a little bit better in terms
Speaker 4: of the different things they can do. And the Packers
Speaker 4: aren't stacking, they're backing. They're backing out.
Speaker 3: Oh I like that. Yeah. I think another thing maybe
Speaker 3: working against love right now from a public opinion standpoint is, Yes,
Speaker 3: there was the summer of hype, the start there was,
Speaker 3: there were signs early in the season that this was
Speaker 3: going to work. There was that dramatic Saints comeback, and
Speaker 3: then now we've had back to back Island games, one
Speaker 3: Thursday night football against the Lions where the team was
Speaker 3: mostly non competitive, and now you go on the road
Speaker 3: against a you know, middling mediocre Raiders team and the
Speaker 3: d Yeah, you can't clear three hundred total yards and
Speaker 3: you can't put together, you know, substantial drives, and you
Speaker 3: get a gift from the opposing head coach and set
Speaker 3: up at midfield with a chance to really steal that game,
Speaker 3: and you don't really do anything with it. So that's
Speaker 3: that's a disappointing loss for the Packers. And you know,
Speaker 3: if we're going to look at the Raiders' schedule, take
Speaker 3: a peek. Here they got at Denver next week home
Speaker 3: Vikings home Rams at Pittsburgh. So you know that's I
Speaker 3: just don't know what to make sense of him really
Speaker 3: right now. So it's hard to even know what that means.
Speaker 3: It's not a killer schedule, it's not exactly soft either.
Speaker 3: We shall see.
Speaker 4: It goes back to your original question before we even
Speaker 4: got on, was like, was this a good game? Because yeah,
Speaker 4: because it's like the primetime games have been pretty bad.
Speaker 4: And what I would say was it was a good
Speaker 4: bad game because it provided enough tension.
Speaker 1: It was back and forth.
Speaker 4: At one point it looked like it was going to
Speaker 4: be Raiders by two scores, then it was the Packers
Speaker 4: were head. It went back and forth. There's people we know,
Speaker 4: Oh Jimmy g he's handsome, like I like that guy,
Speaker 4: Devanta Adams Crosby, And it had some drama at the end,
Speaker 4: but you never left the feeling that.
Speaker 1: Oh, these two teams aren't great.
Speaker 4: You know that this Packers seem unless they change, and
Speaker 4: they feel like a team that could change. By week thirteen,
Speaker 4: they could be a different team. But right now they're
Speaker 4: a pretty bad team that's gonna need to get enough
Speaker 4: wins so that they that they don't get buried. And
Speaker 4: it didn't happen. Shout out to a meek Robinson that Robertson.
Speaker 4: That's my last point of this game was that dude's
Speaker 4: five to nine and he skied up there. It's rare
Speaker 4: you get beat that badly on a play and then
Speaker 4: you have the game winning play because Watson killed him
Speaker 4: off the line. And I don't blame Love too much
Speaker 4: for being laid on the throw because he got pressured quickly.
Speaker 4: It was Malcolm Koons Actually that pressould have made a move,
Speaker 4: so the timing was a little late. But I forget
Speaker 4: who it is. It might be our Lawsky says. It's
Speaker 4: not just making like the right throw in terms of decisions,
Speaker 4: it's like the choice of what kind of throw you
Speaker 4: make when you throw it. And Love just kind of
Speaker 4: lofted that ball up there, and he's got one of
Speaker 4: the strongest arms in the league, and since he was behind,
Speaker 4: he needed to put his heater on that because he's
Speaker 4: got more of a heater where he could have flattened
Speaker 4: that thing out and gotten that thing there quicker because
Speaker 4: Robertson was beat and he made a really nice athletic
Speaker 4: play for like a fourth string cornerback covering Christian Watson's
Speaker 4: skying for the interception.
Speaker 3: And this one's for the frustrated Packers fans. My final
Speaker 3: thought is, you know, Joe Barry is not a very
Speaker 3: popular guy. They're their DC that moment on the Raiders
Speaker 3: go ahead and you know, ultimately game winning touchdown drive
Speaker 3: where the scheme had outside linebacker Preston Smith lining up
Speaker 3: against DeVante Adams without any help seventeen yard game which
Speaker 3: puts them in business and sets up the touchdown I
Speaker 3: believe by Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing got Troy laughing. I always
Speaker 1: like it when he gets try.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's never good. And then you know it's also
Speaker 3: and this drives me crazy about the Jets because I
Speaker 3: think it points directly back to coaching. This team has
Speaker 3: not been ready to play the last three weeks. They've
Speaker 3: been outscored fifty four to six in the first half
Speaker 3: of their those three games. So you know they got
Speaker 3: they got a lot to work on, and but so
Speaker 3: to do the Raiders. So I don't think we're gonna
Speaker 3: see these teams in the super Bowl, but they gave
Speaker 3: us a competitive game. How about that.
Speaker 4: They both deserve to be two and three, So I
Speaker 4: kind of almost am glad this Packers team doesn't deserve
Speaker 4: to be three and two.
Speaker 3: All right, let's pivot. So that's Monday Night Football, and
Speaker 3: that is the close of week five. Greg. Five weeks
Speaker 3: in the camp.
Speaker 1: We almost got a bird to catch. Not quite.
Speaker 4: Actually we got a whole nother show before we catch
Speaker 4: a bird, So I shouldn't even point that out.
Speaker 1: We do.
Speaker 3: And if you're wondering, where's Mark Sessler, Mark is at
Speaker 3: the Dodgers game right now with Frank Week.
Speaker 1: He's got a big week this week, Mark Sessler.
Speaker 3: You know, he had a little bit of a late
Speaker 3: heads up and I'm not going to be doing the
Speaker 3: show tonight, some type of thing about a miscommunication. I
Speaker 3: don't know if we bought it or not. Greg, But
Speaker 3: it's okay. He's got a big birthday tomorrow. You know
Speaker 3: that That was like I wasn't even I didn't even
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't even give him pretend grief, let
Speaker 3: alone real grief, because it's like, you know what, baby
Speaker 3: boy's got a big, big day tomorrow.
Speaker 4: He can do whatever he wants. Although you're giving him
Speaker 4: a little grief right now.
Speaker 3: Is this is love? This is love. I'm happy that
Speaker 3: he's not doing. I'm happy Mark of all people who
Speaker 3: is no fan of the Raiders.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, or baseball for that matter.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, so he had to choose, I guess between
Speaker 3: the Raiders and baseball, and he chose baseball. So the
Speaker 3: national pastime gets a w there.
Speaker 1: I love a little live baseball playoffs.
Speaker 4: That live baseball is much different than TV baseball.
Speaker 3: Right, well, thank you for validating baseball in the live setting.
Speaker 3: I love watching baseball on the couch as well. But listen,
Speaker 3: I'm not asdvanced as you don't. I don't understand me.
Speaker 4: Ya all like different things. It's it's fine. I'm just
Speaker 4: saying you could. It doesn't matter what age, no matter
Speaker 4: where I am, who the teams are, I'll go watch
Speaker 4: a live baseball game.
Speaker 1: I watch game.
Speaker 4: I watched the semi pro game in Massachusetts. I watched
Speaker 4: four games in Tokyo. I was going to the baseball steam.
Speaker 3: Look at you, look at you. All right, let's get
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 1: News.
Speaker 3: Let's start with this is not surprising. This is not
Speaker 3: good news, but it's not the worst news. Shane Steichen,
Speaker 3: Cult's head coach, said Anthony richardson the injury plagued rookie
Speaker 3: quarterback will miss quote sometime with a sprained ac joint.
Speaker 3: I think Greg correct me if I'm wrong. There's a
Speaker 3: report out there that he'll be heading to injured reserve.
Speaker 4: Not just a report, but a report from our guy,
Speaker 4: Ian Rapoport, right.
Speaker 3: Which which will take him out. You know what, I
Speaker 3: still struggle with this. They what are they change now?
Speaker 3: It's four games at least the IR designation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Ian added some context that it might be
Speaker 4: through their by which I believe would be five games
Speaker 4: plus a bye, So he he thought it would be
Speaker 4: extra time. And he's reporting this exclusively. Nice job by
Speaker 4: raps she because no one else seem to know what
Speaker 4: the timeline was. But he sounds like he's got a
Speaker 4: pretty good idea that he might be out through the
Speaker 4: by which I believe would be five games.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's you know, I said it on the
Speaker 3: show on Sunday. The way he came off the field.
Speaker 3: You had Derek Carr not miss a start with the
Speaker 3: same injury, but this is a different You could tell
Speaker 3: it was a different level of this injury, and it
Speaker 3: was something you were not going to see him this
Speaker 3: upcoming week. And sure enough, this is something where you
Speaker 3: it might be a month and a half where he's
Speaker 3: out of the lineup, and you know, hopefully, first of all,
Speaker 3: the Cults are in the thickest things in the AFC South,
Speaker 3: and they have a luxury in one of the best backups,
Speaker 3: if not the best backup quarterback in the league and
Speaker 3: Gardner Minshew. So I think they'll continue to keep their
Speaker 3: head above water. But this year is about largely Richardson
Speaker 3: and him really settling in is the face of the franchise,
Speaker 3: and you just hope when he does get back on
Speaker 3: the field, you know he puts he puts it behind
Speaker 3: him because it's been a hillacious start in terms of health.
Speaker 3: In other news, Kevin trying to.
Speaker 4: Give you the schedule, by the way, yes, Cleveland, you know,
Speaker 4: because it's five weeks. By the way, he wouldn't be
Speaker 4: back until November twenty sixth. We'll be done with Chris Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4: Like five weeks doesn't sound like much, but we'll be
Speaker 4: past Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3: He'll be ready for when the season truly starts. It
Speaker 3: checks out at.
Speaker 4: Week twelve at Jacksonville, then home for the Browns and
Speaker 4: the Saints. That's a tough three games slate to start out.
Speaker 4: They'll be underdogs probably in all three Saints is kind
Speaker 4: of a pick them, and then at Carolina and Patriots
Speaker 4: right now, two of the worst teams in the league.
Speaker 4: If you can go two and three there, you're five
Speaker 4: hundred coming out of the by and at least Anthony
Speaker 4: Richardson is returning for some meaningful games.
Speaker 3: I think call it a prediction. I think they're gonna
Speaker 3: be okay. I think they will be in the mix
Speaker 3: when Richardson re emerges, because I think this team has
Speaker 3: got something going on, and if Jonathan Taylor can find
Speaker 3: his footing, he could help cover up for Richardson's absence.
Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connell, the head coach of the Vikings, following their
Speaker 3: loss on Sunday UH, in which Justin Jefferson exited the
Speaker 3: game with a hamstring injury. UH. He was a little
Speaker 3: kg about it on Sunday after the game and on
Speaker 3: Monday in comments to reporters, it sound like they're gonna
Speaker 3: they're gonna be careful with the most important player in
Speaker 3: the franchise.
Speaker 5: I think they'll probably be a couple different opinions on it,
Speaker 5: but we got to get, you know, the MRI of
Speaker 5: it and take a look and find out exactly what
Speaker 5: it is, where it is, you know, if there's any
Speaker 5: other factors that go into it, and determine what the
Speaker 5: best decision for him to get him back to, you know,
Speaker 5: one hundred percent as fast as possible. But uh, you know, uh,
Speaker 5: you know, he's he's down today.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: He obviously is one of the most ultra competitors I've
Speaker 5: ever met. And and shoot, he was trying to go
Speaker 5: back in the game as it was yesterday. So we're
Speaker 5: gonna have to medically make a good decision and and
Speaker 5: and help you know, kind of almost protect him from
Speaker 5: himself a little bit in a way where we got
Speaker 5: to take care of him and get him back to
Speaker 5: one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: I like I like that football talk. It's a little
Speaker 3: good football jargon. Yeah, he's down today, that's like Cessler
Speaker 3: Sessler's down tonight and we're gonna get him back on.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, he's saying down emotionally. I think Mark's up.
Speaker 1: He's having fun.
Speaker 3: Oh I think no, I think okay, I think.
Speaker 1: He's say because he's so passionate, he's down in the
Speaker 1: dumps because he knows he's gonna be out for a
Speaker 1: little while.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, Well, that's a misunderstanding. I thought it was
Speaker 3: down like the football term. Oh he's down, Like he
Speaker 3: didn't he wasn't involved in any of the but you're right,
Speaker 3: it's Monday anyway. Oh he's down. That's not good. That
Speaker 3: totally changes how I feel about everything. Sounds like a
Speaker 3: guy's gonna miss some time.
Speaker 4: I really thought O'Connell telegraphed this last night. And because
Speaker 4: he's keeps saying one hundred percent, we need to get
Speaker 4: him back to one hundred percent. We got to need
Speaker 4: to make the best decisions for the long term health
Speaker 4: of Justin Jefferson, and the way he said it, we
Speaker 4: got to protect him from himself. I mean, I think
Speaker 4: this is a problem. I mean I would be stunned
Speaker 4: if he played this week. And it just reminds me
Speaker 4: a little bit of Cooper Cup. Like I think they
Speaker 4: want to you want to be careful with these hamstrings
Speaker 4: so that they don't recur, and you look, this is troubling.
Speaker 4: But I also think Justin Jefferson's contract is something like
Speaker 4: he's looking for a new contract, that that's something that
Speaker 4: they're trying to protect him, I think, And I don't
Speaker 4: think he's going to play for a little bit by
Speaker 4: that sound.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you mentioned what I was gonna mention,
Speaker 3: which was they have a warning shot fired and what
Speaker 3: happened in Los Angeles with Cooper cup who they try
Speaker 3: to bring a guy back a little before, maybe he
Speaker 3: was ready, and then he had a setback and boom,
Speaker 3: he misses the first quarter of the season. So let's
Speaker 3: hope Justin Jefferson doesn't miss too much time and when
Speaker 3: he comes back, he's Justin Jefferson because the Vikings are
Speaker 3: not a very competitive team without him on the field.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they win games without that guy
Speaker 3: on the field. The Giants are having trouble winning games
Speaker 3: this year, and it's not going to get any easier
Speaker 3: if Daniel Jones isn't on the field. The quarterback suffered
Speaker 3: a nick a neck injury in the blowout loss to
Speaker 3: the Dolphins. Brian Dables said on Monday he is quote
Speaker 3: optimistic about Jones playing against the Bills in Week six. However,
Speaker 3: Gregy maybe a little tempered. We temper this with rap
Speaker 3: sheets reporting on what he was hearing around the team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he said it's uncertain, and another local beat writer
Speaker 4: pointed out that Dable made it clear that his optimism
Speaker 4: came from talking to Daniel Jones and that this was
Speaker 4: an injury similar to one that he's had before. And
Speaker 4: in that very situation, Daniel Jones kept saying, I can play,
Speaker 4: I can play, And when it came down to it,
Speaker 4: because it was a neck injury, the doctors said no,
Speaker 4: you can't, and he had to miss time. So that's
Speaker 4: Sunday night football, that's against the Bills.
Speaker 1: Man, it's dark. We've covered how dark it is.
Speaker 4: And Nick Schook and Patrick Claiban will actually be covering
Speaker 4: that Sunday night game for us this week, so we
Speaker 4: we don't have to cover Tyrod maybe starting in primetime
Speaker 4: against his old team.
Speaker 1: Yikes.
Speaker 3: Oh man, that could be tough. Also tough. I'm just yeah,
Speaker 3: I told you. You know my old man, Keith tours
Speaker 3: Achilles right in front of me this summer. That sucked.
Speaker 3: Terrible injury.
Speaker 1: Where did that happen in back East?
Speaker 3: It happened in Texas when we were on vacation. We
Speaker 3: got the grandparents together. Just a terrible, terrible time for
Speaker 3: the family. And he's in recovery after surgery and getting
Speaker 3: rehab and on his way back, which is great. And
Speaker 3: my dad's doing great with it, but it is a
Speaker 3: long and arduous rehab. And then, of course we know
Speaker 3: what happened to Aaron Rodgers fourth play the season. He
Speaker 3: blew his achilles. The most important player on the Jets
Speaker 3: offensive line is Elijah Vera Tucker, or I would say
Speaker 3: the most talented player. Former first round pick. He limped
Speaker 3: off the field against the Broncos at Mile High Stadium,
Speaker 3: the same stadium where a year ago, almost to the day,
Speaker 3: he suffered a torn triceps injury that ended his season.
Speaker 3: He lives off the field, they think he's okay, and
Speaker 3: then they do some more testing. Elijah Vera Tucker blew
Speaker 3: his achilles, so he's out for the year and he
Speaker 3: now has surgery and a long and arduous rehab ahead
Speaker 3: of him. Just a brutal blow for Vera Tucker and
Speaker 3: the Jets of Vera Tucker, who has been bouncing around
Speaker 3: the line for a couple of years now, but they
Speaker 3: had recently kicked him over from guard, his natural spot,
Speaker 3: to right tackle, and there appeared to be greg some
Speaker 3: level of stability with Mackay Beckton on the left side
Speaker 3: and Joe Tipman, the second round pick, had taken over
Speaker 3: at Garden was doing some good things and it felt
Speaker 3: like maybe they were getting somewhere. And now you take
Speaker 3: Vera Tucker out of it. It crushed their line last
Speaker 3: year and it's not good news for them this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do they got?
Speaker 4: They got Billy Turner, they got those guys they keep
Speaker 4: psychling through Max Mitchell. I feel like, I know the
Speaker 4: backup jets tackles.
Speaker 3: Too, So they tried they kind of when they were
Speaker 3: dealing with injury issues this summer. They try to get
Speaker 3: these guys, these journeymen to stick on the left and
Speaker 3: right tackle, and that blew up and now they have
Speaker 3: no choice and Mkai Beck then labored through the Denver game.
Speaker 3: I don't know how much longer he's going to be
Speaker 3: sticking around either. So we're kind of back to square
Speaker 3: one with which has been a kind of a cursed
Speaker 3: position group under Joe Douglas, which is ironic gregy because
Speaker 3: that was supposed to be his bread and butter, the trenches.
Speaker 4: And now you got the Eagles, who are the team
Speaker 4: he came from and actually are the model of how
Speaker 4: to build your trenches. And yeah, you got to be
Speaker 4: a little concerned with that matchup heading into the bye week.
Speaker 3: I'm also concerned with Devon ah Chan, the running back
Speaker 3: who's averaging like thirteen yards of carry this year amazing speed.
Speaker 3: Just has gone from healthy scratch in Week one to
Speaker 3: the most exciting young player or running back in football
Speaker 3: this side of Bjon Robinson. A little concerned about a
Speaker 3: knee injury that popped up. Here's Mike McDaniel talking about
Speaker 3: what a chen is dealing with and if he's in
Speaker 3: danger of missing time.
Speaker 1: Is he undergoing like an MRI today or anything like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's there's various various things that he's undergoing.
Speaker 3: Handshakes as well, high fives. I think he.
Speaker 5: I think he from all accounts, he had a good
Speaker 5: breakfast and lunch.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's we love McDaniel, but I mean I
Speaker 3: would hope, I would hope GREGI that unless they they
Speaker 3: must feel confident that he's not facing an absent or
Speaker 3: that's not going to be that's probably gonna be one
Speaker 3: that McDaniel's gonna want to have back if we get
Speaker 3: bad news tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Well, I think he.
Speaker 4: I think he was pressed on it, in fairness to
Speaker 4: McDaniel for a little while, so that wasn't the first question.
Speaker 4: And They were like, are you confident he'll return this season?
Speaker 4: And I was like, whoa, what where did that come from?
Speaker 1: That question?
Speaker 4: It made me wonder what they know? Whoever's asking the question?
Speaker 4: And then he just started haminahmanine and didn't want to
Speaker 4: say anything. He's like, I don't like to talk about
Speaker 4: I don't like to speculate. I don't think about anything
Speaker 4: until I know the facts. And and then.
Speaker 1: I just he was he was in a Mike McDaniel
Speaker 1: press conference spiral. But I don't mind, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I was thinking about this, Greg. I didn't bring
Speaker 3: it up on Sunday because it didn't occur to me
Speaker 3: until this morning. You're a great person to get, you know,
Speaker 3: takes on Mike McDaniel press conferences because I think there's
Speaker 3: a lot of similar DNA with you guys. I think
Speaker 3: that I think you have a there's a natural kinship
Speaker 3: perhaps between you guys. There's some type of uh, there's
Speaker 3: some type of energy wire that connects you that is invisible,
Speaker 3: and you could understand where he's coming from and and
Speaker 3: he too of you. If you were to actually meet I.
Speaker 4: I would love to meet him, you know, I'll take
Speaker 4: I'm taking that as a compliment. I think that might,
Speaker 4: you know, be true, and I'd like to believe it
Speaker 4: was true. I like to think in this situation, Yeah,
Speaker 4: he starts making jokes because he's like nervous, you know,
Speaker 4: he's trying to make light of he already kind of
Speaker 4: stepped into it and got stuck in a position where
Speaker 4: he doesn't want to be answering these questions, and he's
Speaker 4: just trying to deflect with humor, you know, sometimes better
Speaker 4: than others.
Speaker 3: You know, I've been there many times, Greg, where maybe
Speaker 3: things got a little bit uncomfortable, and then then Greg
Speaker 3: throws in something that is kind of a wild comment,
Speaker 3: and it's a little McDaniel ask.
Speaker 4: Yeah, It's like you take an uncomfortable situation and then
Speaker 4: you could try to like fix it, or let's just
Speaker 4: drop a bomb to make it more uncomfortable and then
Speaker 4: you know, yeah that that'll solve it.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a little bit of a Larry David
Speaker 3: vibe in there as well.
Speaker 4: I'm a little worried though, and its controversial you took him.
Speaker 4: You know, everyone should check out our NFL Plus show
Speaker 4: from last week. We did a draft where we took
Speaker 4: all the rookies and just we could take. I think
Speaker 4: we only had three picks each, so nine players taken overall.
Speaker 4: Devon ait Chin moved into the top nine overall rookies
Speaker 4: in this class. Controversial pick by the Zeusser. He backed
Speaker 4: it up with a big performance. But you know people
Speaker 4: are wondering injury risk.
Speaker 3: You know, well my top two my top pick was
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson and my third pick was a Chane. I
Speaker 3: don't even know who my second pick was, but I
Speaker 3: hope he's okay. He's probably a great bit of physical
Speaker 3: discomfort would be my guests. I don't remember who it was.
Speaker 1: It's an explosive offense.
Speaker 3: Oh it's Pookin a Kua. But hey, kid, get safe,
Speaker 3: go somewhere, Go under the bed and hide because I
Speaker 3: took you. My injury plagued rookie All Stars Deshaun Watson
Speaker 3: also an injury situation. And this one's a little a
Speaker 3: little weird, greggy, because Watson was cleared to play in
Speaker 3: week four, right, and then he worked out on the
Speaker 3: field before their game. Who's it against? It was against
Speaker 3: what they get.
Speaker 1: Wiped out by last week the Ravens.
Speaker 3: The Ravens, and he couldn't go. So even though he
Speaker 3: was cleared to play, he wasn't feeling right, so they
Speaker 3: scratched him. Then they had a bye week the Browns,
Speaker 3: and now we're into prep for forty nine ers week
Speaker 3: and Kevin Stefanski wouldn't commit to Watson playing in week six.
Speaker 3: I think that is obviously something to keep an eye
Speaker 3: on here, because that means even with this additional rest,
Speaker 3: it's not a situation where Watson is feeling himself and
Speaker 3: you just wonder what exactly is going on in that
Speaker 3: right shoulder.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he worked out before the game, and this one
Speaker 4: kind of slipped through the cracks for us because I
Speaker 4: hadn't been following it as closely that Stefanski literally said
Speaker 4: during the week of practice that he had been cleared medically,
Speaker 4: and that's why it's just strange. And the Browns reporter,
Speaker 4: I believe it was on the athletic that I was reading, like,
Speaker 4: you know, pointed out the similarities to the situation with
Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield and Kevin Stefanski where they were saying like
Speaker 4: he was medically cleared and there was kind of this
Speaker 4: whole back and forth thing that he was playing through
Speaker 4: an injury that Stefanski talked about and it's just very
Speaker 4: odd to say your quarterback was medically cleared, and they
Speaker 4: obviously have gone out of their way to say, like,
Speaker 4: of course, Deshaun Watson will play through pain, and he's
Speaker 4: just not feeling right. He knows his body, we know
Speaker 4: he's a warrior, all that stuff, but just kind of
Speaker 4: a strange situation. That was compounded by the announcers of
Speaker 4: that game saying, look, they thought all week Watson was playing,
Speaker 4: and they were surprised at the last second essentially that
Speaker 4: they had to play Dorian Thompson Robinson and now you
Speaker 4: might not be ready for this week.
Speaker 1: We'll see. It's just something to watch.
Speaker 3: Yes, we do not need to see dtr again. That
Speaker 3: was a rough debut by the kid, late vander esh
Speaker 3: Cowboys linebacker veteran portant guy for them. He could be
Speaker 3: headed to injured reserve after he suffered a neck injury
Speaker 3: in Week five's blowout lost to the forty nine ers
Speaker 3: and the Lions lose one of their big ticket signings,
Speaker 3: Emmanuel Moseley tours a cl played two snaps and blew
Speaker 3: his ACL, so he is obviously done for the year.
Speaker 1: Devastating. He tore one ACL.
Speaker 4: I think it was his left last year and you know,
Speaker 4: still ended up getting a nice free agent contract because
Speaker 4: he's a good cornerback with a decent.
Speaker 3: Money one for six he got.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but just coming off of a tour in
Speaker 4: a cl for a young guy but not like especially proven. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they believed in him and then tore the other a
Speaker 4: cl Your heart kind of breaks from and I was
Speaker 4: really worried about Van der Esh that this could be
Speaker 4: a more serious injury. They do say it's four to
Speaker 4: six weeks, so considering his history with neck injuries, hopefully
Speaker 4: you know, he's able to play football again this year,
Speaker 4: that'd be great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know that Detroit things are great for
Speaker 3: the Lions right now, but that secondary is getting tested
Speaker 3: now with a depth CJ. Gardner Johnson another edition in
Speaker 3: the offseason. He's on IR with a pectoral injury. We
Speaker 3: don't know if he's coming back. And Mosley tore the
Speaker 3: ACL also against the Panthers almost one year to the
Speaker 3: day he suffers the same injury. So that is that
Speaker 3: is a tough break. It is a brutal sport, Greggie.
Speaker 3: That's what's happening in the news. Anything else to share.
Speaker 1: Well, we're always here late it's Monday night.
Speaker 4: We did a show earlier whatnot, and we're always ending
Speaker 4: with like and this guy's season is over with a
Speaker 4: torn Aco. It's kind of a bummer way to end
Speaker 4: the day. So you know, we need to just, I
Speaker 4: don't know, do some jokes talk Dodgers Baseball. Mark's there
Speaker 4: right now. Are they blowing it?
Speaker 3: They were down?
Speaker 1: They're down four to two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a tough stitch too, So that's that we're
Speaker 3: not going to get. It's the bottom of the night's Actually,
Speaker 3: I don't want to do this anymore, and we'll go
Speaker 3: watch the end of that Dodger again.
Speaker 4: Okay, we do have a show to prep four too.
Speaker 4: We're going to be previewing the primetime game. Maybe something
Speaker 4: else on.
Speaker 3: We got something we get on there for you guys
Speaker 3: coming up, and we'll be on a plane. We got
Speaker 3: to catch a bird to England tomorrow. So everybody over there,
Speaker 3: thank you for your support. Come say hi, and if
Speaker 3: you're at the live show, let's have a party. Let's
Speaker 3: get wild, all right? Until next time?
Speaker 5: He the call