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Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, it is Tuesday, March seventeenth, And aren't

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Speaker 1: Disney and ABC getting exactly what they wanted when they

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Speaker 1: named Taylor Frankie Paul as the new Bachelorette. You do

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Speaker 1: that because you want eyeballs, you want attention, you want ratings,

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Speaker 1: you want headlines, and yes, you want controversy. But is

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Speaker 1: this too far? And with that, welcome to this episode

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Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ Robes. Aren't they getting exactly what

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Speaker 1: they wanted when they named her the new Bachelorette? Well?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they wanted this kind of mess.

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Speaker 2: I know they all say there's no such thing as

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Speaker 2: bad press, but we would beg to differ and you

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Speaker 2: would think Disney and ABC would as well when it

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Speaker 2: comes to the allegations that are now swirling around Taylor

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so let's a little context. You've been seeing

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Speaker 1: her everywhere. She's been promoted as a part of every

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Speaker 1: make her debut. Is it not this Sunday?

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Speaker 2: It is this Sunday, March twenty second, the New Bachelorette,

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Speaker 2: the much anticipated, perhaps even one of the most anticipated

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Speaker 2: seasons of The Bachelorette is happening this Sunday.

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Speaker 1: And can it not be a franchise saving season?

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Speaker 3: That is what they were hoping for.

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Speaker 2: And they knew when they brought on Taylor Frankie Paul

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Speaker 2: that she already had a criminal history, certainly a moral controversial,

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Speaker 2: massive headline grabbing scandal that involved I don't even know

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Speaker 2: what you call it swinging.

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Speaker 3: I guess yes, that was it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so they knew that this was a controversial

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Speaker 2: But it was a Hail Mary, I think by all accounts.

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Speaker 1: And some even thought it was a good one, because

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Speaker 1: this is the person who has got a very popular show,

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Speaker 1: Mormon Wives, Secret Lines of Mormon Wives on Hulu and

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Speaker 1: it's what third or fourth season, It's.

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Speaker 2: Oh uh honey, it's its fourth season and they're in

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Speaker 2: the middle of filming their fifth season right now. So

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Speaker 2: this is about crossover promotion from Hulu to ABC. This

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Speaker 2: the fact when you have somebody who is that much

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Speaker 1: Expect lightning, and they just got lightning in the form

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Speaker 1: of a police investigation into a domestic violence incident, so Robes.

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Speaker 1: The first headlines about this came several days ago when

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Speaker 1: we heard that, like you just said, Mormon Wives, in

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Speaker 1: its fifth season of shooting, shut down production.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that is now the big headline. Mormon Wives had

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Speaker 2: to stop production with a domestic violence investigation ongoing that

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Speaker 2: Draper City police have confirmed is official.

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Speaker 3: This isn't just a rumor.

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Speaker 2: We don't know the details right now, but we do

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Speaker 2: know that it was intense and severe enough that Mormon

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Speaker 1: And as of this recording, we don't understand that the

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Speaker 1: production has started up again. We do eat too ropes

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Speaker 1: from police there. They say, allegations are flying on both

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Speaker 2: That's correct. This is again out of Utah. They say

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Speaker 2: they have acknowledged and confirmed. We should say that there

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Speaker 2: is an open domestic assault investigation and it involves Taylor

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Speaker 2: Frankie Paul and her ex boyfriend, the father of her

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Speaker 2: youngest child, Dakota Mortensen. And if you're a fan of

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Speaker 2: the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. You know damn well

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Speaker 2: who Dakota is. And the spokesperson from the police department

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Speaker 2: So Taylor is saying Dakota did something to her, and

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Speaker 1: Production has halted on that show, but as far as

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Speaker 1: that she is heading up, which is The Bachelorette on Sunday. Now, Robes,

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Speaker 1: we need to be careful, need to be kind, need

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Speaker 2: Yes, And it should be pointed out that the police

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that is what we get from police. Who

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Speaker 1: there's Taylor, Frankie Paul, there's the ex Who in that

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Speaker 1: group have we actually heard something from since all of

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Speaker 2: We've only gotten some posts by Taylor Frankie Paul that

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Speaker 2: what you put on Instagram was a little bit different

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Speaker 1: All right, what is Taylor saying? Because, like you said,

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Speaker 1: depending on which social media platform you're looking at, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like too busy to care and was dancing in

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Speaker 2: Is it Dakota, Is it the guy who she may

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Speaker 2: So she was being playful, She was teasing some mystery man,

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Speaker 3: That she's too busy to care about what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Okay, given that, is it fair to say we should

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Speaker 1: Whatever is going on with this police investigation into domestic violence,

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Speaker 3: So this is a very different reaction from her.

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Speaker 1: But that's on TikTok.

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Speaker 3: That's on TikTok you well.

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Speaker 2: On Instagram, she talks about about asking basically for people

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Speaker 3: These are our actual lives we're sharing.

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Speaker 2: She's talking about people getting into all of the what

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Speaker 2: it relates in a lot of ways to the Bachelorette

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Speaker 2: this weekend and perhaps these domestic violence allegations. But she said,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sharing to appease or switch storylines for anyone's entertainment.

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Speaker 2: A big reason I continue on she's saying reality shows

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Speaker 2: My heart goes out to those around me that share

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Speaker 3: The hugs will always outweigh the hate for me.

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Speaker 2: So it's a little a lot more serious on Instagram

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Speaker 3: Playful on TikTok. Huh.

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Speaker 2: It's mixed messages for sure, given all that's going on.

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Speaker 2: But to not take these types of allegations seriously is

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Speaker 1: Oh Ken, this not jaywalking, This is not even speeding.

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Speaker 1: This is domestic violence that we're talking about. We have

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Speaker 1: that out. But Robes, you spoke on this a moment ago.

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Speaker 1: This is a woman who has been charged with domestic

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Speaker 2: Correct, This was in twenty twenty three. She actually was.

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Speaker 2: She was facing misdemeanor charges of assault, criminal mischief and

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Speaker 2: What she was accused of and what she even admitted

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Speaker 3: What happened.

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Speaker 2: She was throwing a chair at Dakota in the middle

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Speaker 2: So she pleaded guilty to one count of aggravated assault.

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Speaker 2: The other charges were dismissed, but she said that that

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Speaker 1: always she's done her time to society and you have

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Speaker 1: involves violence. Baby, we're talking domestic violence. This is can

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Speaker 1: want to watch the Bachelorette even more or go ick Abc?

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Speaker 2: I think it will go both ways, and I do

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Speaker 2: finger There is going to be a lot of finger

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Speaker 2: pointing because a lot of people could say, ABC, Disney.

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Speaker 3: You knew exactly what you were getting now.

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Speaker 2: I do think they might have been trying to sell

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Speaker 2: this as a in a way, a redemptive story. Somebody

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Speaker 3: Her her pastways.

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Speaker 2: And I think we all always want to celerate people

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that severe.

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Speaker 2: But we all make mistakes, and so to be able

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Speaker 3: This is a network of family values we've been told.

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm not suggesting of what they should or shouldn't do,

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Speaker 2: I cannot imagine that this is what ABC and Disney

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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's just ratings are all that matter.

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Speaker 2: If this was the Bachelor instead of the Bachelorette.

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Speaker 1: And a suggestion a hint of two domestic violence incidents

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Speaker 3: Before you could even wonder when it was gonna happen?

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Speaker 1: How fast? All right? But folks, what is going to

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Speaker 1: I mean, what guy would see that and feel good

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Speaker 1: and they can just keep going back and forth. Yes,

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Speaker 2: But yes, to know that Taylor and Dakota spent the

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Speaker 2: for me. So look, I get that that creates drama.

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Speaker 2: I get that gets you so interested in the Bachelorette

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Speaker 3: For her heart.

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Speaker 2: The problem is the Bachelorette grew to fame and became

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Speaker 3: This blows that all up.

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Speaker 1: And that's fine. Why not? Yes, there are some Bachelor

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Speaker 2: There will always be people who are upset, but with

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Speaker 3: Maybe and they are now.

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Speaker 2: So desensitized by all of this that yeah, barstools flying,

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Speaker 2: I think we can all get into will she won't we?

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Speaker 2: Who's she going to pick?

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Speaker 3: All of that's fun and exciting, But when.

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Speaker 2: Things take this type of a criminal twist, I don't

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Speaker 1: So what are they supposed to do? Do you want

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Speaker 2: Know what, it makes me less excited. I still want

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Speaker 3: That's fine.

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Speaker 2: But when you start bringing in police, and you start

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Speaker 1: I think probably just that part is it, Babe. It's

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Speaker 2: It came out this week, right, Okay, the charges are,

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Speaker 1: And if we didn't say, you just said it a

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Speaker 1: We we spent some time. Look, we're not clothes, we're

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Speaker 2: We have to wait and see, wait and see, and

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Speaker 2: we will almost certainly be watching, just like many of

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Speaker 2: you will. And with that everyone, thank you for listening

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Speaker 2: to us. I made me Robach alongside TJ.

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Speaker 3: Holmes. We will talk to you real soon