1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Books. 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, Welcome to Move the Stix presented by 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Zaxby's d J. Bucky Back with you, Buck. How you 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: doing man, Man? Oh good? I can't complain. Great gay 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: Another day, another day, another great guest here for us. 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: Love it when we get a chance to visit with 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: people that are plugged in and people that are good friends. 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: And that's what we have now. Bruce Felman, you know 9 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: I'm from Fox Sports. He's their insider there for college football. 10 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: He's the best selling Author's written some fantastic books on 11 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: the sport. This one, though, has me more fired up 12 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: than anyone else any other book that he's written. It's 13 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: called Flip the Script Lessons Learned on the Road to 14 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: a Championship all about the twenty nineteen l s U 15 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: Tigers and head coach ed Orgeron. Bruce, Thanks for joining us. 16 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: How you doing, ma'am, I'm doing great. Thanks for having me. Guys. Well, 17 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: there's so much I want to jump into, but first 18 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: of all, I want to just start where the concept. 19 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: I always love it when you come up with the 20 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: concepts for these books. When when When did the concept 21 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: pop in your mind about tagging up with with that 22 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: oordron once again? So I did this recruiting book called 23 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: meat Market, which is really about the process, and it 24 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: was Wrong was the central figure in it. It was 25 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: around his program at Old Miss and the book did 26 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: really well. And so a lot of people always asked me, Hey, 27 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: are you ever going to do a sequel, thinking it 28 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: would be like on Texas Recruiting or Michigan Recruiting or whatever. 29 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: And I never thought that. You know, it's as such 30 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: an investment in time, it's really hard to get the 31 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: level of access to let somebody let you go behind 32 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: the scenes for that long. So I was like, I 33 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: don't know if it's going to happen. And then I 34 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: kept in touch with oseron over the years, and about 35 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: eighteen months ago, uh, he was raving about this assistant 36 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: coach he had hired from the Saints and obviously that's 37 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: Joe Brady and he was like, man, you know, it's 38 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: just we're different now. So I flew down there and 39 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: spent a week at l s U in all the 40 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: meetings and around Joe Brady and or at the practices, 41 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: and he was right, um it I came away convinced, 42 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: and this is April of twenty nineteen, they're gonna have 43 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: an amazing season, assuming Joe Burrows stays healthy. Um, because 44 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: they had so much going for them, and it was 45 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: just you'd never see at l s U the offense 46 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: just kicking the defenses, but so badly, and that's what 47 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: was going on. So at that point I started working 48 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: on the on the book proposal that is now flipped 49 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: the script, and over time I just kind of kept 50 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: an eye on it. And then when they beat Alabama, 51 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: I was like, I got a book. It's it's a 52 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: no brainer now. And because I knew in the book 53 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: I could get into a Geron's personal story and a 54 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: lot depth, more depth than even in meat Market, because 55 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: you know, yes, he coached them to a national title, 56 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: and everybody knows he had a spectacular flame out at 57 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: Old Misses his first time a head coach. But also 58 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: you know, you knew the Pete Carroll stuff that he 59 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: worked with him at USC. But I think the depths 60 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: of his story is you're talking about a guy who 61 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: in his twenties was on Jimmy Johnson's staff at Miami. 62 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: They're winning championships he's coaching and developing Cortez Kennedy and 63 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: Russell Maryland and later Warren Sath. But his life spirals 64 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: completely out of control and he loses his job and 65 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, basically ends up with nothing and realizes, I 66 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: gotta go to rehab. I need real help here. So 67 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: he ends up in John Lucas's treatment center for forty 68 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: five days in Houston. And I think he learned the 69 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: lessons too to really kind of be very critical into 70 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: the mistakes with him, not I can't blame my I 71 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: d I can't blame I enough. The resources, Yeah, those 72 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: things might have been true, but it starts with me. 73 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: So I think he learned from his mistakes at Old Miss, 74 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: he learned from his buddy Lane's mistakes when they were 75 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: together at USC and at Tennessee. And then I think 76 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: he learned from from Les miles as his mistakes when 77 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,119 Speaker 1: he was an assistant under him for a brief time 78 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: at l s U. So all that was the backdrop 79 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: into what I was like, to me, this is a 80 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: no brainer. And then to be behind the scenes when 81 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: they want on that national title run the week going 82 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: into the Georgia game, then blowing out Oklahoma and then really, 83 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: you know, whipping Clemson. I just knew I would have 84 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: great stuff from it, you know, Bruce, And in thinking 85 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: about the l s U program for so long, from 86 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: a skeleting point of view, we've always regarded them as 87 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: an elite program because they had blue shipped players, but 88 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, on the field, they just hadn't been 89 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: able to get over the hump based on what we 90 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: thought their talent level was. When you think about it 91 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: run and the coaching job that they were able to do. 92 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: What was the difference this year than previous years in 93 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: terms of them getting over the hump and being the 94 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: team that we've always expected him to be. Well, I 95 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: think the biggest thing Lucky was there was a buy 96 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: in right like I started. I mentioned this to one 97 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: of the guys in the Oklahoma staff right before they 98 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: played him in the playoff about there the way they 99 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: prepared during the week um when when Less was there. 100 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 1: And this is not the fault less because this is 101 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: I think the way a lot of people did it 102 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: for years was it was long, arduous physical practices. And 103 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: I'm not just talking about like in training camp and 104 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: all the way through the season and so ojon really 105 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: listened to the science and listened to his trainer, Jack 106 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: Marucci and Tommy moff at the string coach there, and 107 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: so he scaled back the practices in terms of the 108 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: length of now he wanted the intensity to be higher 109 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: than ever, but the shorter, shorter practices. What he also 110 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: did was you really cut down on long staff meets. 111 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: He doesn't want full staff meetings. They have one a week, 112 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: whereas a lot of programs would have one a day. 113 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: And he's and he was like, that's just not good 114 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: energy for the program and everything. And I think what 115 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: ultimately worked here and I think this is, you know, 116 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: you're seeing the transition phase going on now because a 117 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: lot of the you know, as you guys will know, 118 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: like most of that starting twenty two is in the NFL, 119 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: and the ones who aren't, you know, the best receiver 120 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: they have, Jamar Chase, he opted out Tyler Shelbon, really 121 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: good d line and he opted out carry Vincent was 122 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: the starting DV. He opted out. So those guys are 123 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: not there now, But the guys were there last year 124 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: and the staff, I think he had total confidence in 125 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: them and trusted and so you know, everything kind of 126 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: was built towards that. And and I didn't realize this 127 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: until he started working on the book, But Jove Burrow 128 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: is basically like a player coach. The way he treated 129 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: him and the things he delegated when you see them 130 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: in the book. I and he says this, And remember 131 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: he was at USC when they had Matt Leiner, who 132 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: he thinks the world of. But he was like, I've 133 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: never been around a quarterback like Joe Burrow, you know. 134 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: And granted Joe's dad is a long time it was 135 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: a long time coordinator in the mac at Ohio, but 136 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: I think he saw in him a guy he was 137 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: like bounce a lot of stuff off as a conduit. 138 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: And because because Ojaron is not really hands on with 139 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: the offense, he lets let Stevens Marian Brady do it. 140 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: It was like, Hey, Joe, come, you come to me 141 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: and tell me what you want me to tell them 142 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: if you need to. And he gave him to complete 143 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: trust and so how that translated. And I didn't realize 144 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: this really un till I got to see him in person. 145 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: Was I'm on the field right before the uh the 146 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,799 Speaker 1: Georgia game for the SEC title game, and the team 147 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: I saw that morning was was more focused, looser, and 148 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: way more confident than any team I'm around as a 149 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: sideline report, and they looked exactly the way they do 150 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: at a Wednesday practice. And I think that's pretty rare 151 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: where you can get a team carrying itself like that. 152 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: We're going to go back to Joe Burrow here. You 153 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: talked about when he first got in there, Bruce, like, 154 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: what what was there a moment? Was there a story 155 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: or something where they were like, Okay, this is it. 156 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: He's he's the real deal there is. So he didn't 157 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: win the job right away and ed even thought, you 158 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: know what, his arm they think his arm got a 159 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: little stronger, and they were like, I don't know, it 160 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: looked like he had a dead arm. They were not 161 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: really wowed by his his arm at that point at all. 162 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: And obviously it's not like he's Josh Allen now, but 163 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: I think it was Okay, this guy didn't play at 164 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: Ohio State. We believe in him. Let's see what we got. Well, 165 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: he had won the job, yet most of the team, 166 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: or a big chunk of the team, wanted Justin McMillan, 167 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: who ended up in two lane, to be the guy. 168 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: He had the locker room, so Ed was like, Hey, 169 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: I gotta let if Joe is gonna win the team, 170 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: he's got to win the team. And so there's moments 171 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: where it's in the conditioning where he's he's beating everybody 172 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: in races. But the time when I talked to different 173 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: guys on the staff was there was a practice before 174 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: he had been a name the starter where Devin White, 175 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: obviously a great player, is just chirping the whole time 176 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: offense sucks you guys, that's not gonna work, and and 177 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow just hey, Devin, if you don't shut the 178 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: bleep up, I'm gonna come over there and beat the 179 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: bleep out of you. And everybody whoa what the coaches 180 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: felt like, you know what, I think that's what Devin 181 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: White wanted because they've never seen an L s U 182 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: quarterback challenge the defense because why would they at that point, 183 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: because they've never done anything. So that got everybody's attention 184 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: that moment. Now, fast forward a year, not basically to 185 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: the next sprint, he's already been the starter. Um, there's 186 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: a practice where he gets into two fights. One where 187 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: Jacobe Stevens is rushing the pastor jumps up to deflect 188 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: a pass and actually lands on Burrow. Burrow goes down. 189 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: He's been dealing with an off ease and shoulder surgery, 190 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: and that starts a brawl. Then like I play later, 191 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: Patrick Queen uh hits him late and Burrow starts the 192 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: brawl because he felt like he hadn't been in it 193 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: enough on the one before and said he completed like 194 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: eight of his past that day. They just lit up 195 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: the defense and he goes when I walked off the field, 196 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: brawl and all two of them, I felt like we 197 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 1: have got something really special. And everybody believed in Joe Burrow, 198 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: and you know, like what I'm One of the things 199 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: I'm most proud of about the book is if you're 200 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: a Bengals fan more even if you're a Cincinnati Bengals fan, 201 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: never mind l s you go read the book because 202 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: you will come away convinced that Joe Burrow is going 203 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: to turn your franchise around because he hit is his demeanor, 204 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: his attitude, his brain. Certainly, all of that made a 205 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: profound impact on L. S U because you know, obviously 206 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: Brady brought a lot of elements from the Saints and 207 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: from Penn State's RPO game that helped. But I just 208 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: think the way he's wired to operate. And when you 209 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: hear the coaches talk about Joe Burrow, um, you come away. 210 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: If you were skeptical, you won't be any more. You know, 211 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: Bruce is funny because you mentioned Joe Brady, and Joe 212 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: Brady has really been celebrated for being a major contributor 213 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: to this offensive makeover. Yeah, he wasn't really calling and plays. 214 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about how he influenced 215 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: that offense and how he was able to help him 216 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: make these I would say, revolutionary changes to this offense 217 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: to get a play and at a level we've never 218 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: seen an L s U offense play it before. Right, So, 219 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: so Bucky Steve Ensberg is the play caller, he was 220 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator, and what Brady really was hand was 221 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: was responsible for it was calling third downs and red 222 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: zone and they were really good at that. Even if 223 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: you look at the National title game, Clempson had the 224 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 1: best red zone defense in the country. I think l 225 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: S who went four for five with touchdowns in there. Um, 226 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: what he did, he brought They desperately wanted to add 227 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: the R p O elements of the offense and that's why. Um, 228 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: when and I was around it worked for the Saints. 229 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: Greig McMahon, the special teams guy at l S who 230 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: had spent a long time with the Saints. So they had, uh, 231 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: Pete Carmichael coming to like they were going to share 232 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: some ideas. And this is two, you know, two years ago, 233 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: and they asked, Pete, can you have anybody who knows 234 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: anything about r p O S. And He's like, well, 235 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: I got a guy down the hall because at the time, 236 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, nobody knew Joe Brady was. But he had 237 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: been on James Franklin staff at Penn State where Joe 238 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: moorehead is kind of an had been really kind of 239 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: an innovator on that front with r p OS. So 240 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: Brady had that, plus he had you know, he's a 241 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: brilliant guy. I mean he'd spent all this time around 242 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: Sean Payton and studying the touch downs tape every week 243 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: and all these other things that um, you know he 244 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: had been thinking about. So they were sold on him 245 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: beyond that of what he could bring. The other thing 246 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: that I think is really like if I didn't see 247 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: with my own eyes, I wouldn't know it because like 248 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: I think sometimes we in the media. And I'm not 249 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: saying you guys do this, but I think a lot 250 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: of writers tend to do it. Is you just look 251 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: for kind of what you think is a profile is similar, 252 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: even if the people really aren't actually similar. So you see, hey, 253 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh, really young guy, offensive guy, innovator, Cliff Kingsbury, 254 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: even though Cliff was a great player. You know, a 255 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: younger guy looks cool. So maybe Joe Brady is that 256 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 1: guy because in innovative, offensive mind, and I think Joe 257 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: Brady is that is that guy. But his personality is 258 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: different from what I know from Cliff, and certainly when 259 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 1: I know about Sean McVeigh. But having said that, um, 260 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: this was interesting to me is because he was also 261 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 1: like he worked with Mickey Joseph as coaching the receivers. 262 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: I would sit in the back of all the eatings 263 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: and towards the National title game. You know, we're in 264 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: these like like huge hotel rooms. As you guys, you 265 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: remember those scenes, and there's I don't know, twenty rows 266 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: of chairs and the last four rows of chairs I 267 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: would sit with the staff other than I knows you're 268 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: on and I remember the first couple of times I 269 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: would look around, was like, where's Brady. I don't even 270 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: see him. And then I had to look at the 271 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: front of the room, and in the second row, i'd 272 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: see Justin Jefferson, and i'd see Jamaar Chase and next 273 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: to Justin Jefferson with Justin Jefferson's armor, I see that 274 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: little red head, and it would be you know, because 275 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: Brady has has red hair and close cropped hair, and 276 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: he'd be in the middle of the receivers. He wouldn't eat, 277 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: at least the times I was around there. He wouldn't 278 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: eat with the coaches necessarily, he'd eat with the receivers. 279 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: And and he is younger, but I mean, the report 280 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: he had with those guys, it's not like he's just 281 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: so you know, maybe unfair to say it like this, 282 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: but it's not like he's like some young version of 283 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: Charlie Weiss who thinks he's brilliant but has no connection 284 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: to the players. Like he definitely has that, and I 285 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: was impressed to see that, especially to Justin. Justin Jefferson's 286 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: a gregarious, fun to be around kid. But I saw 287 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: the relationship between him and those guys and I was like, Okay, 288 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: he has this this club in his bag too, so 289 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: to speak. Yeah, I love the fact he's not detached 290 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: at all. What about being in front of the room 291 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: because this is something Look, Joe Brady we've talked about 292 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: on the podcast. He's going to get interviews for head 293 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: coaching gigs in the NFL this year because of the 294 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: things you've mentioned. I've got to know him a little bit, 295 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: but you know him much better than I do. And 296 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: just being around him, what what? How would you describe 297 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: just his presence of being up in front of the room. 298 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: We talked about blending in, But how is he when 299 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: he's up there? You know, if he's running a meeting, Uh, 300 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: he's good, He's i'd see what Like you can tell 301 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: he's really smart. It's going fast. Um, his delivery is different. 302 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: I would say this that you know, seeing him in 303 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: like in the offensive staff rooms, you know, I think 304 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: you can tell that he's on top of everything game 305 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: planning like you were in that room. I don't know 306 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: if if you would have said, oh, the redhead guys 307 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: actually offensive coordinat or not Steve Ensbinger, you know, because 308 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: he was very influential in it and in front of um, 309 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: in front of the and I don't, I don't. I 310 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: didn't see him in front of a full full team meeting. 311 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: I only saw him part of the offense. The offenses, 312 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: I don't know fifty guys, so it's a it's a 313 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: big chunk of people. And what I thought he was 314 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: really good at was um being very affirmative, you're gonna 315 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: see this, and when they do this, this is what 316 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna do. And I I assume and you guys 317 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: would know this way better than me, But I assume 318 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: that kind of mindset. I know why it works in 319 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: college because you're dealing with eighteen nine year old I 320 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: assume it would carry over just just as well in 321 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: the NFL. But it was always they like to do this, 322 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: and when they do this, this is what we do, 323 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: and you know, and he would go through the scenarios 324 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: and so you know what I thought he how I 325 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: felt like the balance was between he and Ensminger when 326 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: they spoke was Joe would basically give them the blueprint 327 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: of this is what's gonna you're gonna see and this 328 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: is why it's gonna work. And Steve Ensminger would then 329 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: would then hammer home the emotional piece and it was real, 330 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: like Steve Nsmers, who was a much more impressive speaker 331 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: in front of the group than I had and then 332 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: I had expected because you knew it was real. Um So, 333 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if Joe Brady was gonna even want 334 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: to tap into that he was really given the blueprint, 335 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: but um you know, I I think he's gonna ace 336 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: interviews as to be a head coach because they're gonna 337 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: see how smart he is. You know. The one thing 338 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: I would wonder, and I haven't talked to Joe since 339 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: the season started, is I imagine he's going to be 340 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: very choosy because he knows Tom Times on his side, 341 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: and you know, I think he is very smart. He 342 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: wants to be I think more of an NFL guy. 343 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: It's not like he sees himself as a college guy. 344 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: I think he's really wired on the plays and and 345 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: how this works. Um So, it'll be interest thing to 346 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: see how that grows. And I don't know, you know, 347 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: one of the challenges with this is if he does 348 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: get to become a head coach, he has a relatively 349 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: small circle and that you know, he was with the 350 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: Saints for a couple of years. I can't imagine a 351 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,959 Speaker 1: bunch of the Saints guys are gonna, you know, move staff. 352 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: He's obviously now the Panthers. Um. So it's not like 353 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: Cliff who had played in the NFL had been around 354 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: for a while, or Sean McVeigh, who's spent I don't know, 355 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: his whole adult life basically around the NFL. So I 356 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: think for for Joe going William and Mary to Penn 357 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: State and then you know, I think that would that 358 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: would be an interesting piece of how he helped gets 359 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: helped assembling a staff if it comes to that. You know, 360 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: Bruce Um, this program is is loaded with NFL talent. 361 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: They've always been. It's always been like a mustop destination 362 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: for NFL evaluators when you look at this team, because 363 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: we're talking about this team in legendaries datis in terms 364 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: of their offense, But when you were just around watching 365 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: them practice, did it feel like those old USC teams 366 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: that you seem to pass in terms of the amount 367 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: of NFL talent and how they cultivated it and developed it, 368 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: it did? I mean the thing Ozaran has always been 369 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,719 Speaker 1: big on it. He actually went even further back and 370 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: said they practiced with the edge that the Miami team's 371 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: practiced with back then and what what that translated to 372 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: the most He watched this clip in front of like 373 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 1: it was really his dealing guys. So it was like, 374 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, probably five of us would be in there, 375 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: six of us. And he watched um a one on 376 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: one rep from uh Jamaar Chase going up against Derek 377 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: Stingley Jr. And then he would click over to like 378 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: something that happened UM in in another rep where they 379 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: were together, and he was like, this is it. This 380 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: is Iron Sharpen's an. You have probably the best most 381 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: talented cornerback in the country against the best receiver and 382 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: all those things like he doesn't want to see a 383 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: scout team guy be against the Scout team guy. To him, 384 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 1: that just doesn't really do anything for what they're on 385 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: to do right now. And so I think that part 386 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: was a big thing. But you would see UM like 387 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: one thing that was depending on This is maybe right 388 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: too much into it, But I tried to sit in 389 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: different meetings at different times to get a vibe. So 390 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: at one point it was a couple of days I 391 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: think before the Georgia game, and I sat in the 392 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: running backs room and so Clyde is next to me, 393 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: and like, I became a huge believer in Clyde over 394 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: the course of the year. And I'm looking down and 395 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: Clyde took more notes in that meeting than I probably 396 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: took in a semester at Miami, you know. And I 397 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, the guys who need to be the 398 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: guys they really get it, you know. And and you 399 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: would see that, Like I just kept on thinking, like 400 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that Patrick Queen blew up last year, 401 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: I mean early on in the season. And Osan tells 402 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: his story is he gets a basically a message from 403 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: his Patrick Queen's family. They want to meet with him, 404 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: both parents and Patrick. And at that point he's thinking, 405 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: this kid gonna go to the portal. I already got 406 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: like two guys who were kind of the starter um 407 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: and the dad who had been a former college player, 408 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: said what does he new to? What does he needed 409 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: to do to get better or to get on the field, 410 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: and Ed basically gives him, you know, what he wants 411 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: to see from him. Patrick Queen takes that to heart. 412 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: Patrick whom was I mean, as you guys know, it 413 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: was their best linebacker last year. Phenominal against Clemson especially, 414 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: and so you'd see guys really really developed and get it. 415 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: It wasn't just it wasn't just Joe Burrow that Joe 416 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: Burrow Show. I mean it was, but but you'd see 417 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: these some of these other guys really blossom. You saw 418 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: Clyde blossom obviously started justin Jefferson blossom, but I think 419 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: he still really saw it with Patrick Queen as much 420 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: as anybody, Bruce, I want to get to some of 421 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: the the big picture stuff around college football. We were 422 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: talking about this little bit before you came on, but 423 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: it seems right now, I don't know if I can 424 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: recall an era where we have more of the haves 425 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: and have nots in the same teams over a prolonged 426 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: period of time. When you when you look at Ohio State, Clemson, Alabama. 427 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: Obviously LSU had their their run last year, but you 428 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: know out their Oklahoma and there and this year is 429 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: a little different. But we've seen the same teams for 430 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: a decade now. It's just over and over and we're 431 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: not you when you flip on the games. Even though 432 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: we're all in conference season right now, this year, there's 433 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: so few close games, so a few competitive games. What 434 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: is the biggest difference right now from the haves and 435 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: have nots. I just think they were recruiting at a 436 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: different level. I mean, I I think credit to Dabbo 437 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: because he built it, and they did build it on 438 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: some really good players. But I think that all a 439 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: sudden success has bred success. I mean, anybody who thought 440 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: Nick Saban was going to tail off UM was kidding themselves, 441 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: you know, Like, I mean, you just look at the 442 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: receivers they have, right, and it starts. It starts with that. 443 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: Like I think Saban has has definitely evolved. I mean, 444 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: he talked about how you freeze and what he did 445 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: at Old Miss really influenced him to to become more 446 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: aggressive on offense. I think you see it um, certainly 447 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: at Ohio State. I mean, the places that are cracking 448 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: out the NFL talent are the places that are that 449 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: have the best chance to win. I mean, and that's 450 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,959 Speaker 1: those are the ones where like they have so much 451 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: more margin for error. Really is what I think it 452 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: comes back to. And you look at UM some of 453 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: these teams now whereas Penn's State that they went from 454 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: having what they thought was gonna be the best running 455 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: back room in the country, the one that's storially depleted now, 456 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: not just because they lose Journey Brown, Noah Kanes, hurt 457 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: Ricky Slade earlier in the year transfer to ODU. And 458 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: and so what you see is you see a quarterback 459 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: Sean Clifford to us, you know, definitely have some ability, 460 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: but it's not like he's a He's not justin fields 461 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: or Trevor Lawrence. They have a terrific fight end and 462 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: John Dotson's coming on, but like there's not like I 463 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: feel like teams are good enough where if you have 464 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: like one really really good player, you can take that 465 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: away or you at least you can kind of mitigate him, 466 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: whereas these other teams were talking about like good luck 467 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: with dealing with the clumps and receivers, and then Travis 468 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: ATM goes off right, good luck dealing with with Jalen 469 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: Waddle and Davante Smith and n J. Harris is now 470 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: here comes the guy from Canada. It was like a 471 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: really good player and they have a really good offensive 472 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: line in Ohio State. What I think Ryan Day has 473 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: done a really good job and I think credit to 474 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: Brian Hartline here especially. They have a tremendously deep group 475 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: of receivers and so it's picked your poison, Like that 476 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: group a couple of years ago with Terry McLaurin and 477 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: Paris Campbell and Johnny Dixon. Um, like somebody was going 478 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: to go off kJ Hill. You know. Now it's like, 479 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: you know, I talked to one of the guys that 480 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: know the staff. He was like, they have a freshman 481 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: from Texas who had a great catch in the Week 482 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,719 Speaker 1: one and I'm Blank Jackson and Jim Buck maybe I'm 483 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: miss pronounce's last name. Um, you know, they think he's 484 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: like a faster kJ Hill. You know, It's like this 485 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: is how it is that at some of these programs, 486 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: and I think that makes it so hard to compete 487 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: with them, just because you have no margin for because somebody, 488 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: if it's not this guy, is that guy. I mean, 489 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: like that's what really worked for L s U last year. 490 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: You want to stop Jamar Chase great here comes you know, 491 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: like who killed Alabama last year, Clyde did. It's just 492 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: pick your poison. And if you're one of those teams 493 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: that can do that, and you have a really good 494 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: quarterback who can distribute, then I it's you're almost unbeatable. 495 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: You know, Bruce. One of the things you talked about 496 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: two things that are really important. You talked about recruiting 497 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: and then you talked about player development. For those things 498 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: that happen, it appears that you have to have a 499 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: level of continuity on your staff. When I look at 500 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: those top staffs Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State, that doesn't appear 501 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: to be a lot of movement each year. How are 502 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: they able to keep some of their top coaches around 503 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: so they can continue to build and just super power 504 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: that they kind of put in place. Well, they have 505 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: financial commitment one, that's a big thing. And then I 506 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: certainly think there, where are you gonna go if you're 507 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: on Ryan days staff? Right? You know, like pothetically speaking, 508 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: and you know I work with them now. But if 509 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: urban Meyer gets another head coaching job somewhere, um, maybe 510 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: the Big twelve, you know, like it is his strength 511 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: Just randomly threw that out there, twelve just random, Okay, 512 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: But like if if is making Maronni gonna leave the 513 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: strength coach who has been in valuable in Columbus to 514 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: go leave Ryan Day to go someplace else, is his 515 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: recruiting guy gonna gonna leave? Like now? Maybe I don't 516 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: know that, but like you know, these guys already have 517 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: really good situations. Chances are the only places you leave 518 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: are to be a head coach or maybe if in 519 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: the random like Joe Brady had big had NFL roots 520 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: to go to the NFL. I mean, to me, the 521 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: not craziest, but the most interesting subplot in all what 522 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: we're talking about is the guy I would argue the 523 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: best defensive coordinator in college football right now. Brent Venables 524 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: has been a phenomenal hire for Clemson. He's also a 525 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: great recruiter, but he's had some opportunities to leave, and 526 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: now he's got two sons who were there, so I 527 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: don't see him leaving any time. He you know, he's 528 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: I've talked to him a little bit about this, where 529 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: he he knows himself well enough to go. I'm not 530 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: just gonna take any job, even if it's like a 531 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: decent Power five job, because I love what I have here. 532 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,479 Speaker 1: And so the fact that they were able to keep 533 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: a guy like that, I mean, you know, yeah, Trevor 534 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: Lawrence is great. You have Travis is great. Um the 535 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: defensive coordinators, so Clemson has been able to until Jeff Scott. 536 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: I mean, I know they chat. Morris left, but for 537 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,959 Speaker 1: the most part, that Clemson group has stayed stayed intact 538 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: way more than certainly Nick Saban's group is. Now it's 539 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: different what Alabama is. And you guys know this, Nick 540 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: Saban's really hands on. It's all Nick Saban. I'm not 541 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: saying the assistance don't do anything, but it's like Nick say, 542 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: there's no walk around guy. I mean, he's it's Nick 543 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: Sabans you know, system and everybody else gets the cultures established, 544 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: that's what kids are buying into. So that's why I 545 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: think those particular places are a different level than everybody else. 546 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: And we'll see. You mentioned Oklahoma. Certainly Lincoln knows exactly 547 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: what he wants on offense. I think he has a 548 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: really good offensive staff, and we'll see if what what 549 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: Alex Grinch is doing on defense. They're starting to show 550 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: sign that at least I feel like there's been some 551 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: baby steps and it's a lot of two steps forward, 552 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: one step back with them. Alright, last question, because you've 553 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: been so generous with your time today, Bruce, but this 554 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 1: is I want to have a fun little exercise here. 555 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: We always have to these mock drafts. So we're gonna 556 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: bring you into the mock draft world, but we're not 557 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 1: drafting players. We're gonna let's go two rounds. You're an 558 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: NFL franchise who's been given an edict by your owner 559 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: that you need to hire a college coach to be 560 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: your next head coach. So I'm gonna give you the 561 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: first pick, Bruce Bucket. You go second. I'm gonna go 562 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: third and fourth, and we'll snake it back down. So 563 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: we'll go two rounds. Here, you got the first pick, Bruce. 564 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: You know this guy hasn't won a national playle with 565 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: the first name that jumps out for me is Ryan Day. 566 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,479 Speaker 1: And the reason why is, I think in this day 567 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: and age, you've got to be very very player friendly. 568 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: I think Ryan's really smart. He's got some some stuff 569 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: to him. He's also spent time in the NFL. He 570 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: knows that world. Um, I think he's really smart, and 571 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: I think players know he's genuine. So I he would 572 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 1: to me be the guy I would say, first, good pick, 573 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: nice pick, what you got buck Okay, I'm gonna go second. 574 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Brian Kelly from Notre Dame. And the 575 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: reason why im gonna take Brian Kelly because he had 576 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: to deal with challenges with the academics and Notre Dame 577 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: and then with the recruiting. I think he understands how 578 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: to build a program, and so dropping him in the 579 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: NFL franchise where he has complete power, I'm sure you 580 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: hire a Jenner manager. I think he'll understand how to 581 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: build a program that is sustainable. I like that one, 582 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: all right. So I was trying to think and trying 583 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: to find somebody could have a similar impact. Is Matt 584 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: Rule and what he's done in Carolina. Now this is 585 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: a little different personality, but in terms of bringing toughness 586 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: and in terms of developing players, which I think is 587 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: the lost art right now with NFL coaches and you're 588 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: starting a program, I'm going to Utah. I'm taking Kyle 589 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: Whittingham with my first pick. If we think about that one, Bruce, 590 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: giv me some feedback on that one. You know, I 591 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: always say that working as a sideline reporter of the 592 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: team that I am that like, I see in a 593 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: different light when you see m F field level is 594 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: Utah there? So they are nasty. I mean every player 595 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: runs like Zach Moss and they're just you know, it's 596 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: they're a little assembly line issue where it's like, you know, hey, 597 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: that's John Pennessini. That's that. You know. It's like every 598 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: year it's like there's somebody else who just kind of 599 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: goes in and kicks somebody who's who's who's done better 600 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: than Kyle though in terms of developing offense and defensive 601 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: lineman and and corners and safeties, really secondary players, they 602 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: have second third round picks every year at these positions. 603 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: And I don't remember on recruiting they ever been like, 604 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: oh wow, look at Utah. They just killed it today. No, 605 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: and that's that's the God's honort truth. And and it's 606 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: there aren't that many guys like Grit Bowles was like 607 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: a guy who blossomed in recruiting. But I feel like 608 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: there aren't like those. It's like, hey, Dennis Rikson did 609 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: a really good job getting the three South Florida kids 610 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: out of Holland Dale. And I know he's not like 611 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: an NFL star, but Tyler Hunt, it was a terrific 612 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: quarterback for them. Obviously, Moss was really good. I think 613 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: he's really good at I don't think he's worried about 614 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: the NFL I think he's just like, I want to 615 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: develop butt kickers here, Jalen Johnson, Julian Blackman, who's playing 616 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: really well. I mean, there's a long list of Utah 617 00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: players are doing good things. All Right, you got so 618 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: we uh you're up next? I get I get another pick. 619 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: I got another pick. Okay, so I want Kyle winning Ham. 620 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna come back with Matt Campbell. So that's my 621 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: that's my Those are my two guys, Kyle winning Ham 622 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: and Matt Campbell. I like like, I like this smarts. 623 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like we dropped the lead though, 624 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: because if I'm gonna go to the college ranks, there's 625 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: a guy who's already taken a team to the super 626 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: Bowl and Jim Harbor. Why why aren't we excited about 627 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: Jim Harber making another return to the National Football League 628 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: As a college coach. You realize, you realize, under this scenario, 629 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: you are the general manager that's going to have to 630 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: deal with said coach going forward. Right, Well, I mean 631 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: I understand that, but let's just say I'm at the 632 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: ownership level, so I don't have to deal with like 633 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: I just wanted. I just want the results, and I've 634 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: seen him turn around multiple programs and even though it 635 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: hasn't gone to the the way that Michigan fans want, Like, 636 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any denying that this guy is 637 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: a great coach and he's been able to do some 638 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: things with without meeting the expectations at Michigan fans of as. 639 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: So I'm gona hire Jim Harbor. DJ, you got the 640 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: guy I would have picked second when you took my 641 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: like he is all about substance all you know. I 642 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: mean that one, that's a really good one. I'm tempted 643 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: to try to guard against where I think you're going next, 644 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: which is probably not the smartest drive. Got the last pick, 645 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: You've got the last pick. This is okay, we're only 646 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: going two rounds um man. I meant, no, let's let's 647 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: do one more round, Let's do three rounds. You get, 648 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: you get two picks, nixt saving Okay, you're going sabing, like, 649 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: how how was he still out there? I think age, 650 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: I think you're trying if you're looking at kind of 651 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,719 Speaker 1: building for the future all that, you know, I mean, 652 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: he should to be out that. I just don't know 653 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: if he does. He does he want to go back 654 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: like he didn't seem like he enjoyed it much when 655 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: he was there before. Does he seem like he enjoys anything? Alright? Alright, 656 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: one more than I'm taking Scott Sadderfield. Oh now we're talking. Yeah. 657 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: I love what he did, especially after Bobby Petrino had 658 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: basically salted the ground and Louisville and players love him. 659 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: I think he's a good off a coach. I know 660 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: he doesn't have all the pieces yet, um, but I 661 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: think he's one. When you mentioned Matt Rule a little bit, 662 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: I know they're different, you know, come from different places, 663 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: different personalized, but I feel there's some Matt Rule in 664 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: him where it's just like he's real and wherever he 665 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: goes he would fit anywhere. Um. I don't know how 666 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: many guys I would necessarily say that about. I mean, 667 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: since I'm piggybacking off to Jim harbut Tree, I think 668 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Stanford and take David Shaw just 669 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: because of the mix of NFL and college experience. Uh, 670 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: the fact that he has been a part of like 671 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: really solid offenses and he's had the challenge that maybe 672 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,959 Speaker 1: doing a lot more with less. I think I threw 673 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: him in a mix, all right. I mean, I look, 674 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley is still available. I gotta take him. I mean, 675 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: all you always done is this year? Withstanding always done 676 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: his win and developed quarterbacks and turn them into great players. 677 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: So I get, I get a good offensive mine who 678 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: knows how to develop quarterbacks. I'll take that. So let's 679 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: recap here. You had Bruce, you have Ryan Day? Who 680 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: else you got? Who are your three picks? Uh? I 681 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: have ryand the guy at Alabama? You both? Yeah? Save Okay, 682 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: that's good, Bucky. Who'd you have? I got Brian Kelly, 683 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: Jim Harbor and David shop Man. I got some angry 684 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: guys at time. Don't have a lot of players coaches, 685 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: but at a lot of anger. Well David. David kind 686 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: of balances that out, kind of balance. Rich isn't gonna 687 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: love you for taking Jim Harbor away from Missionary is 688 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: gonna hate I don't know. That's the funniest thing that 689 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: he won't give you an honest answer to that, I promise. Uh. 690 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: Then I ended up. I ended up with Kyle Whittingham, 691 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: Matt Campbell, and Lincoln Riley. I feel I feel great 692 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: about my draft there? All right? He Bruce, what I know, uh, 693 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,959 Speaker 1: you guys are at home this weekend, but what are 694 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: you looking forward to for this weekend? College football? What 695 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: are we watching for? You know, I obviously I want 696 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: to see how Clemson does. Are a little depleted, But 697 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: you know, for me, you know, what are we getting 698 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: from Notre Dame. I still have the Louisville game too 699 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: much in my head where that was kind of a clunker. 700 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: I think it's pretty good. I need to you know, 701 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: we need to see it. Um. Obviously, Florida George is 702 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: big and I'm excited. You know, we're all on the 703 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: West coast. We have the nine a m kickoff of 704 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: USC A s U. Two really good young quarterbacks I think. 705 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: I think Keenan Silovis is terrific and they got really 706 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: good skill guys around them. If USC does not run 707 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: through their regular season schedule, you know, they had some 708 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: bad issues roster wise in terms of like guys who 709 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: could get on the field for whatever reason or something's wrong, 710 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: because there's nobody who should be able to hang with 711 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: this offense. You know, at least i'm their regular season schedule. 712 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: That's good. We'll be on the lookout for that. Man. 713 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: This has been been a lot of fun catching up 714 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: with our good buddy Bruce Feldman. Bruce again the book. 715 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: Everybody go check out the book, Flip the script, all 716 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: about the unbelievable year for the l s U Tigers, 717 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: the incredible offense, Joe Burrows, story that ed Ords round, 718 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: personal stuff. You've got a little glimpse of it here, 719 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: but there's plenty more in the books. I encourage you 720 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: to go get it. I'm assuming Bruce, they can find 721 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 1: that Amazon everywhere else where you can find books. Yeah, 722 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: just search for it on Amazon, or you go to 723 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: my Twitter and well it's like basically the link is 724 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: right in my bio at Bruce Feldman at Bruce Helman CFB, 725 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: at Bruce Felman CFB. There you go. Well, our thanks 726 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: to Bruce for joining us today. It's been a lot 727 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: of fun, and thank you guys for praying in with 728 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: us here on Moving Sticks presented by Zackxby's