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Speaker 1: Here we go. It's earning their stripes on the Fish

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Speaker 1: Joining me on this post draft, post trade deadline reaction show.

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Speaker 1: I've got Ethan Bodowski of Fish Stripes and all Gators

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Speaker 1: on Sports Illustrated. Congratulations Ethan on that.

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Speaker 2: very excited to continue my Marlin's work and also add

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Speaker 2: So thanks guys.

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Speaker 1: And we got Spencer Morris of FITSH Strikes, the Craftfish Boxes,

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Speaker 1: to get back on with us too, right before he

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Speaker 1: As we go through all this sort of stuff in

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Speaker 1: On this episode, we will keep the focus on a

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Speaker 1: few big topics. The Marlins twenty twenty one draft class

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Speaker 1: that is now finally official. We really had to wake

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Speaker 1: first off, the draft, which now took place what like

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Speaker 1: up getting four point five four million dollars on his

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Speaker 1: Hopefully we get Watson's debut in the miners in the

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Speaker 1: Jackson from the Bray Who's Paydon Henry from the Brewers,

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Speaker 1: and Brian de la Cruz from the Astros. We'll start

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Speaker 1: with de la Cruz because it's somebody that Spencer, you're

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Speaker 1: very familiar with in that he was an Astros prospect

439
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Speaker 1: and you know their system back to front. And so

440
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Speaker 1: Dela Cruz goes over in the Yimmy Garcia trade along

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Speaker 1: with Austin Prewitt and Austin Prewe has since been defayed.

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Speaker 1: So that just goes to show in case it wasn't

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Speaker 1: pretty obvious.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in case I think might try to bring prove

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Speaker 4: it back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, it just Hammer's home that in case it

447
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Speaker 1: wasn't obvious. De la Cruze was the main target for

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Speaker 1: the Marlins in that deal. He's played in all seven

449
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Speaker 1: games since he's been brought over. They have put him

450
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Speaker 1: on the roster immediately and thrown him into the fire.

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Speaker 1: He is their main right fielder now at the major

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Speaker 1: league level, and this is his debut. He was at

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Speaker 1: Triple A prior to that. What have you seen so

454
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Speaker 1: far from de la Cruz at the major league level

455
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Speaker 1: and what are we expecting from him moving forward?

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Speaker 2: Just one thing before you go into this, Spencer, Griffin

457
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Speaker 2: Conine just hit another home run.

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Speaker 1: I just got a message number twenty nine from Griffin

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Speaker 1: Conine and leads all of minor league baseball.

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Speaker 4: He's got he's got to back it up with one

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Speaker 4: more get number thirty.

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Speaker 3: Nice end of the day on a nice rand number.

463
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Speaker 3: But with Dela Cruz, Yeah, I mean not only was

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Speaker 3: he with the Astros, but he'd been in their system

465
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Speaker 3: for almost eight years, so I've had a long time to.

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Speaker 4: Acquaint myself with him.

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Speaker 3: He was a guy who really broke out like in

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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen. He has always had really good bat to

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Speaker 3: ball skills. I mean, I think that's something that you know,

470
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Speaker 3: he's already displayed to a degree in the major league trial.

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Speaker 3: It's always been a really smooth swing. He's always had

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Speaker 3: great hands at the play. It just took him a

473
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Speaker 3: while to start impacting the baseball. Part of that was

474
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Speaker 3: because he wasn't especially strong when he first signed, and he,

475
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Speaker 3: you know, he needed to.

476
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Speaker 4: Develop his body.

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Speaker 3: Part of it was also just like kind of developing

478
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Speaker 3: that last bit of kind of barrel like back control,

479
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Speaker 3: barrel accuracy. But it really seemed to click for him

480
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Speaker 3: a couple of years ago. He had a great year offensively,

481
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Speaker 3: and I think, you know, had there been a regular

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Speaker 3: season in twenty twenty he probably makes it into the

483
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Speaker 3: major leagues in some capacity last season, probably by by

484
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Speaker 3: way of a trade as well, because obviously there there

485
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Speaker 3: was no playing time available for him. But I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think that he doesn't have like the big sexy

487
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Speaker 3: tools that you look for in an outfield prospect, but

488
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Speaker 3: he gives you a little bit of everything. And you know,

489
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Speaker 3: the hit tool is the most import if you have

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Speaker 3: to pick one, and that's probably the strongest part of

491
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Speaker 3: his game. Like I said, it's a really smooth balance swing.

492
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Speaker 3: He's able to cover the plate really well. His approach

493
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Speaker 3: is on the aggressive side, but he'll still work account.

494
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Speaker 3: He does take a fair enough amount of walks that

495
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Speaker 3: the OBP isn't like a big concern.

496
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Speaker 4: The defense.

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Speaker 3: He hasn't had a lot of success in center field,

498
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Speaker 3: but I think that you know, he's shown you if

499
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Speaker 3: you do put him in a corner, he has enough

500
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Speaker 3: arm for right and the range really plays in either

501
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Speaker 3: of those spots. So, like, is there quite enough power

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Speaker 3: for him to be like an everyday option in right

503
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Speaker 3: or left field?

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Speaker 4: I think that's an open question. I would lean a

505
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Speaker 4: little more towards no.

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Speaker 3: I think he's kind of you know, that's I think

507
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Speaker 3: it's sort of like low Team's power if I was

508
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Speaker 3: forced to put a number on it. But you know,

509
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Speaker 3: there's a chance for the hit told to really pop

510
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Speaker 3: and maybe you know, he's a guy who's sitting you know,

511
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Speaker 3: two ninety three hundred and it just works. I think

512
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Speaker 3: that's you know, definitely the very optimistic kind of sealing outcome,

513
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Speaker 3: but it's in there. It's a possibility, and I'm just

514
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Speaker 3: happy to see him succeeding because you know, he's a

515
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Speaker 3: guy that's grinded for a really long time and it's

516
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Speaker 3: always nice to see those guys seize their opportunities when

517
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Speaker 3: they do come.

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Speaker 2: I'm really impressed with Dela Cruz so far. It seems

519
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Speaker 2: like he's just can't stop hitting. Really not a lot

520
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Speaker 2: of power flashing yet, but that should come hopefully. I

521
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Speaker 2: think that's kind of what the last thing Marlins fans

522
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Speaker 2: kind of want to see. Obviously, the kid can hit.

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Speaker 2: You know, he was putting together a really good year

524
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Speaker 2: in Triple A this year, and like Spencer said, you know,

525
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Speaker 2: the hit tool is the most important at the end

526
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Speaker 2: of the day, and that's something that the Marlins have

527
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Speaker 2: learned the hard way kind of with a lot of

528
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Speaker 2: the prospects that they've acquired. Where they've gone for athleticism,

529
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Speaker 2: they've gone for power, but the hit tool hasn't been

530
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Speaker 2: the leading tool, and a lot of their guys haven't

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Speaker 2: really put it all together because they just haven't hit

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Speaker 2: that well. But de la Cruz is hit first, and

533
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Speaker 2: I've been really impressed with his defense in right field,

534
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Speaker 2: and I think he's been you know, right now. I've

535
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Speaker 2: seen the reports that, you know, he kind of projects

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Speaker 2: as a fourth outfielder, and the Marlins kind of see

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Speaker 2: him as a fourth outfielder, and I don't think that's

538
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Speaker 2: necessarily bad based on what I've seen before. If he's

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Speaker 2: your fourth outfielder, you're doing pretty well, and it's much

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Speaker 2: better in terms of just you know, I talked about

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Speaker 2: how the Marlins are kind of trying to improve this

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Speaker 2: back end of their roster. We know about the depth

543
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Speaker 2: problems they've had, where when a guy goes down, it's

544
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Speaker 2: Brinson and Sierra and Monte and some of these guys

545
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Speaker 2: that have struggled at the big league level, and you know,

546
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Speaker 2: if you're replacing that with Dela Cruz, and then they

547
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Speaker 2: believe that Austin Jackson could be a second catcher and

548
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Speaker 2: Peyton Henry who they acquired, and that John Curtis trade

549
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Speaker 2: could be a second catcher. If these guys are up

550
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Speaker 2: here and they're producing better than some of your what

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Speaker 2: you're currently getting, you know, you're improving the back end

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Speaker 2: of the roster and that can go a long way

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Speaker 2: in winning ball games. So I think this is a

554
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Speaker 2: nice ad for the Marlins, a nice depth ad where

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe he starts flashing power and maybe he

556
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Speaker 2: becomes a pretty, you know, good everyday player, but even

557
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Speaker 2: if he's not, he's a nice piece to have on

558
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Speaker 2: your team, I think, And based off what I've seen

559
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: before so far, where he's just hitting every night and

560
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Speaker 2: working good abs and putting the bat on the ball,

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Speaker 2: I think that it's a nice ad for the Marlins.

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Speaker 1: The same thing as what Ethan touched on is that

563
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Speaker 1: his defense has really surprised me. There was this right

564
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Speaker 1: as he was being traded. There was a tweet from

565
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Speaker 1: Sports Info Solutions. They're the ones that track defensive front

566
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Speaker 1: saved at both the majors and also in the minors.

567
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Speaker 1: The miners. Stuff is usually not publicly available, but they

568
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Speaker 1: did mention that like this year in the minors, he

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Speaker 1: had been a negative aid DRS, you know, through half

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Speaker 1: a season at Triple A, which is what's awful. Right

571
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Speaker 1: When you dig into that, you do notice that he

572
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Speaker 1: was being rotated through left, center and right field, all

573
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Speaker 1: three positions, kind of like almost randomly. In the majors,

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Speaker 1: they've given him a pretty clear assignment to be in

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Speaker 1: right field. In this very small sample in right field,

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Speaker 1: you just see a lot of ingredients that you like defensively,

577
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Speaker 1: his arm strength and his accuracy and his route running,

578
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Speaker 1: and it's like almost everything you've seen a little glimpse

579
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Speaker 1: of it in his play. Obviously, this is sample is

580
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Speaker 1: even smaller than the minor leagues, but it's been a

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Speaker 1: lot more encouraging than you know that first detail would

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Speaker 1: make it sound.

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Speaker 2: He has three defensive run saves runs saved in right

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Speaker 2: field already, which is really impressive for such a small

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Speaker 2: sample size. And you know, you want to talk about

586
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: young defenders, look at what's been up with Jazz this year,

587
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: where you think he can be an average to above

588
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: average to good defender, and you know he struggled bouncing

589
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Speaker 2: around positions. So I think when you have a guy

590
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Speaker 2: not set in his ways, not set in one spot,

591
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Speaker 2: it can really affect how they develop at one position.

592
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Speaker 2: So I think it's been good for the Marlins. You know,

593
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Speaker 2: when they acquired him, and I look and I say, okay,

594
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: major league ready outfielder profiles better in a corner. Sanchez

595
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: is going to work his way back. You know, they

596
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: got to open up a spot for him in right field,

597
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: and they did that, and so it was pretty clear

598
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: to me what was going to what the plan was

599
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Speaker 2: for the Marlins when that happened, where they were going

600
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Speaker 2: to move on from Adam Duvall, and not only that,

601
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Speaker 2: he de la Cruz was going to be their every

602
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Speaker 2: day right fielder for the rest of the year, and

603
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Speaker 2: so far he's showing he can hold there for sure.

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Speaker 1: With these other guys that they acquired at the deadline,

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Speaker 1: same situation really for Alex Jackson. He did have a

606
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Speaker 1: little bit of prior major league experience with the Braves.

607
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Speaker 1: It did not go well. And as desperate as the

608
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Speaker 1: Braves have been for catching players like for most of

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Speaker 1: the season, but their main guy injured like Jackson, barely

610
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Speaker 1: got a look and so he ends up going to

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Speaker 1: the Marlins in that Duval trade and he's been on

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Speaker 1: the roster. He made his debut the same day that

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Speaker 1: Luzardo did on Monday, and so he's played a few

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Speaker 1: games since then.

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Speaker 5: Jackson out towards center field.

616
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Speaker 2: This one is hit pretty well the most.

617
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Speaker 1: Back at the wall. One time.

618
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Speaker 5: Jackson has his first Marland soul run dead center field.

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Speaker 1: It's a very strange roster construction right now because Marlin's

620
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Speaker 1: technically a three catchers on the roster in Jackson, Sande

621
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Speaker 1: Leon and former catcher turns left fielder or Aljorge Alfaro.

622
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Speaker 1: That's a weird experiment, and so I don't know exactly

623
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Speaker 1: how long they're going to stick with that, because they

624
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Speaker 1: really can't send down Alfaro and they can't send down Leone,

625
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Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem like they want to send down

626
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Speaker 1: Jackson because he's finally getting real playing time in the majors.

627
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Speaker 1: So with him, ethan like, the sample is even smaller

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Speaker 1: than with Dela Cruz because he hasn't been playing every game,

629
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Speaker 1: but he has had a few interesting moments, and he's

630
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Speaker 1: at even more so than Dela Cruze's at like this

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Speaker 1: critical position for the organization, that catcher. They do not

632
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Speaker 1: have any idea who's going to be catching games for

633
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Speaker 1: them next year or in twenty twenty three. It's gonna

634
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Speaker 1: be a few years until maybe Joe Mack turns into

635
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: who we dream he could be. But in the meantime,

636
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Speaker 1: it's a huge void. And so Jackson, I guess he's

637
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: gonna get a great chance to fill that void, or

638
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: at least, you know, every opportunity to prove himself that.

639
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Speaker 2: Anybody with a modicum of knowledge of baseball knows that

640
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: the Marlins have a huge hole at catcher, and they

641
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: really address that, you know, need at the deadline, going

642
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: out and getting two catchers, and then Craig Misses reporting

643
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: afterwards that they got these two catchers, but they both

644
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: see them both as backup catchers. So now there's a

645
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Speaker 2: you know, a possible bigger catcher acquisition coming in the winter,

646
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Speaker 2: which is something that we need to keep an eye

647
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Speaker 2: on for the Marlins. So this is again that commitment

648
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: to winning, that commitment to putting a winning product on

649
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: the field in twenty twenty two is something that we're

650
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Speaker 2: seeing here now with Alex Jackson. Power is the name

651
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Speaker 2: of the game at the plate, doesn't have a really

652
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: good hit tool at all, doesn't necessarily have you know,

653
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: an average one necessarily, and you know, power and strikeout

654
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: is what we've seen from a lot of Marlin prospects,

655
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: and it's getting a little frustrating. But it's hard to

656
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: find hitting at the catching position. It's not an offensive

657
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: friendly position by any stretch. He was hitting really well

658
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: in Triple A and I think, you know, he's not

659
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: gonna go three for fifty or whatever it was the

660
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: rest of his career in the majors, But you know,

661
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: just if they can see him put together some interesting

662
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: offensive results, you know, I think the one or two

663
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: games I saw from him, I saw him working deep abs,

664
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: you know, went to full count twice from the at

665
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: bats I saw. I've been in and out of Marlins

666
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 2: games recently. It's just been busy, but you know I've

667
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: been interested, intrigued by what I've seen, and it's just

668
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: again one of these tryouts that the Marlins are giving

669
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: in the last two months of the season here where

670
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: you know, he's getting a chance to say, Okay, you

671
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: know I can be an option for you in twenty

672
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,719
Speaker 2: twenty two. But again, if Ali, you know, this is

673
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: I think a back end of the roster move just

674
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: improving to the point where you know, you're not going

675
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: to Sandy Leone with your second, you know, catcher spot.

676
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: And the frustrating thing is, you know, I want to

677
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: see Jackson play every day, and they're sticking Alfaro in

678
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: left field because they continue to want to see him

679
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: every day. But one guy I was really excited about

680
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: seeing was Brian Miller, and he comes up on the

681
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: day of the deadline, looks pretty good at the plate,

682
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: and then you know, it doesn't get into plate appearance

683
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: after that, and so I'm looking at this and I'm saying,

684
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: it's just it's just frustrating from a Marlins perspective where

685
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: they have the guy that everybody wants to see that

686
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: behind the plate for the rest of the season. You know,

687
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: I don't know how many people what more you really

688
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 2: want to see from Alfaro by all accounts, you know,

689
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: he's he's gone next year. So it's like, why can't

690
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: we see some Brian Miller? Why can't we see somebody else?

691
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: But obviously Hayes Susanchez is in return to play Paro calls,

692
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: so again another tryout at the back end of the

693
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: roster here that you're seeing for the Marlins, And you know,

694
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: I definitely am looking forward to hopefully seeing some good things.

695
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: Maybe he can start putting it together at the plate

696
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: a little better than you know, his first nineteen games

697
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: in the big leagues, which were really, really ugly.

698
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: There is an interesting range of opinions on Jackson, where

699
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 1: I saw Fancrafts is super high on him, like pretty

700
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: enthusied by the improvements he's made defensively and thinking that

701
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: he'll get into a little bit some of that power

702
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: in games, and he's done that once. You always hit

703
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: one home run and a pretty key spot for the Marlins,

704
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: and he had another extra base hit that had again

705
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 1: the measurables on it. The exit VLA was pretty great.

706
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: And almost all of his other appearances outside that have

707
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 1: been outs, and half of them have been strikeouts. So yeah,

708
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: to this point in his Big leau career, striking out

709
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: forty something percent of the times. That obviously won't play,

710
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: but the standard for Marlins catchers is super low. That

711
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: barred to clear just to like make it on the

712
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two roster even as a backup, is not

713
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: that high for him. But the one guy from there

714
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: that we haven't seen in the majors and we probably

715
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: won't see before the end of the year is Paydon

716
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: Henry from the Brewers, a guy that they get for

717
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: John Curtis, who I think, if you look at it,

718
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: John Curtis, due to the years of his control that

719
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: was still remaining, how well he had been pitching, he

720
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: was someone that I think you could argue had even

721
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: more trade value than Duval and arguably Peyton Henry is

722
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: a guy that could be, in some people's view, a

723
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: better prospect than even Alex Jackson could. He's a guy

724
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: that we're not I'm not really familiar at all with Spencer.

725
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: He's gone to Triple A so far, and so we

726
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: got time example of him with Jacksonville. But is there

727
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: anything that you could tell us about Peydon Henry? And

728
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 1: I know the offensive profile is a lot different than Jackson.

729
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 4: It's different to a degree.

730
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 3: I think when if you're talking about the raw tools, there's.

731
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 4: Some similarity there.

732
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that you know, there's kind of

733
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 3: there's a few different types of backup catchers out there

734
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 3: that are pretty common, and I think that Henry kind

735
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 3: of fits. What I would say is like my favorite

736
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 3: one of those types, which is a guy who you

737
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 3: know offensively has big raw power, maybe doesn't necessarily make

738
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 3: the most contact, but can get to his power and

739
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 3: has passable on base skills. Henry has the raw power

740
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 3: aspect of that kind of a profile, It just hasn't

741
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 3: really manifested in games much to this point. I'm not

742
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 3: sure that it will. I think that the Marlins kind

743
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 3: of have to be looking at him as like a

744
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: swing adjustment candidate, which I think, you know, fans are

745
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 3: probably gonna roll their eyes at that, knowing how that's

746
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 3: gone with a lot of the other players they've acquired

747
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: the last few years. But I mean, like it's that

748
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 3: sort of a profile like he's you compare him in Jackson,

749
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 3: Neither one of them is that great of a receiver.

750
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 3: Jackson has a bigger arm, Jackson has bigger raw power,

751
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: more game power.

752
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 4: But.

753
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: Like Jackson's hit tool has just been really shaky for

754
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 3: more or less his whole pro career. Like when he

755
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 3: does make contact tends to be really solid contact, but

756
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 3: the approach at times can be quite ugly, and as

757
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 3: we've mentioned already, like he swings and misses a lot,

758
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 3: Henry does as well, but it's not quite as extreme.

759
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 3: I think, like if you can help him to tap

760
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: into that raw power. I probably do like him a

761
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 3: little bit more than Jackson. Jackson like was my favorite

762
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 3: hitter in his entire draft class, and he was like

763
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 3: I was kind of halfway advocating that the Astros taken

764
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,959
Speaker 3: number one overall instead of radiating. Obviously there was really

765
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 3: not a right answer there. But like at this point

766
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 3: with Jackson, like I no longer have that kind of

767
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 3: faith in the hit tool. I do think he has

768
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 3: a chance to develop into that kind of like power

769
00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 3: with a low batting average passed for receiving good art

770
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 3: and strength, kind of second catcher on a roster. But

771
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 3: for both of these guys, like they are obstacles that

772
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 3: they need to get over to even fill that.

773
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 4: Kind of role.

774
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: For me, do you look at like Mike Zanino as

775
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: a as a ceiling kind of you talk about low contact,

776
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 2: high power offensively.

777
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like I think you know you're looking

778
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 3: at that with the bat, but I don't see either.

779
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 4: Of those guys that are defending like Zanino.

780
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, Eli Sussman here with Spencer Morris and Ethan Bodowski,

781
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: we want to look forward for this final segment to

782
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: September the Marlins. As we're recording this. They're on a

783
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: nice little jolt, winning three or four from the Mets,

784
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: but they're fifteen games out of it, out of five hundred,

785
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: I should say, and so a big motivation for them

786
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: the rest of the season is finally getting a good

787
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: look at some of these young players in the big leagues.

788
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: As we said, Dale la Cruz is already on the

789
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: big league roster, Luzardo is already on the roster, Alex Jackson,

790
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: but there's room for more, you know, there's some other

791
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: dead weight on this roster. No offense to some of

792
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: the veteran players that they could, you know, wean out

793
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: of there in order to bring up some higher priority

794
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: guys and get them tested in the big leagues. A

795
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: few that are lingering at Triple A Jacksonville right now

796
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: that already have major league experience that we hope will

797
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: get like longer run. But there's really one guy that

798
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,479
Speaker 1: sticks out in terms of a potential September major league

799
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: debut that I think a lot of people are looking

800
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: forward to. A guy that has of all the amazing

801
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: arms in this organization, he has perhaps the very nastiest

802
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: pure stuff and he's already performing with it at the

803
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: higher levels. That's Edward Cabrera. So, Ethan, I'll go to

804
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: you on that. When we're talking about potentially seeing Edward

805
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: finally in the big leagues, is that the guy that

806
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: really sticks out to you that you want to see

807
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: he's not already on the roster, And what do you

808
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: think it's going to take to actually get him called up? Like,

809
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: what is that moment that they're looking for to finally,

810
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: you know, pull the trigger and get him to.

811
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: There's got to be a just a number of innings

812
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: at this point that they're trying to get to at

813
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: Triple A. I think they all know that Eddie can

814
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: pitch in the big leagues and be successful right now.

815
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 2: You know, Kim Ang has said it's basically just a

816
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: matter of time and patience with Edward Cabrera. He's certainly

817
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: the guy that I would want to see most. You know,

818
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,439
Speaker 2: none of the hitters have performed the way we thought

819
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: they would to the point where you know you could

820
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 2: see like a J. J. Bl Day or a Verdict

821
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 2: or somebody like that. They just simply haven't been good

822
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: enough at Double A to warrant that late season call

823
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: up that you know, chance at the end of the

824
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: year that a lot of people were hoping they would get.

825
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, I definitely think Eddie is is the guy.

826
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 2: You know, I like Max and Eater. When you look

827
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: at Meyer and Eater and down in Double A, I

828
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: just don't think they're going to do it. You know,

829
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: Ang said they would like to see out, They would

830
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: like them to see out the season in Double A,

831
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 2: and I just don't see them pulling the trigger. You know,

832
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 2: maybe they were in it and they needed the lights

833
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: out reliever. You look to Meyer with that fastball, slider accommodation,

834
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: and you say, you know, come up and give us

835
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: some innings in the bullpen, you know, as we try

836
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 2: and make a playoff push. But I just don't see

837
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 2: them contributing to the major league roster at that point,

838
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 2: at this point that you know in the year. But

839
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 2: Bryson Brigman is another one. I really want to see

840
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 2: Joe Dunan. These are Rule five eligible guys. You want

841
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 2: to get them on the roster so that you don't

842
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: end up losing them in the Rule five draft. And

843
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: you know, right now it's harder for Brigman. It was

844
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 2: easier when you had Ba down and Mickey row hurt

845
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: and Jazz hurt. But right now there's just simply no

846
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 2: room for him, and if he's coming up, you don't

847
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: really want him playing, you know, a Ben Roll, although

848
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 2: he can probably provide more than you know, a Panic

849
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: or Birdie's down right now, so he could kind of

850
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 2: fill that spot or you know, I don't want to

851
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: say it because he's been hot, but Isan Diaz, you know,

852
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: some people might be trying, you know, maybe be falling

853
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 2: for that, and I don't know if I've decided if

854
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to fall forward or not yet, but you know,

855
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 2: he has been hot recently, so it's like you don't

856
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 2: really want to send him right back down. So there's

857
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: just kind of no room for Brigman. Even though I

858
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 2: would really love to see him. It's long overdo. He's

859
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 2: having such a great year in Jacksonville, and you don't

860
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 2: want to let him kind of marinate too long to

861
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: the point where you know, maybe he gets cold and

862
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 2: then he comes up and he's got nothing left. So

863
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: I want to see Dunan and Brigman. But yeah, at

864
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: the end of the day, the one that we're all

865
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: going to be waiting for with anticipation, the way that

866
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: you know, when sixt came up last year, we were

867
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 2: all so crazy excited about it, you know, fans and

868
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: media and us alike. You know, they Eddie is the

869
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: one that will be the ultimate attraction, you know, if

870
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: he does make it up to the big league.

871
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 3: I've got one more to add to that list, who

872
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 3: I believe is also will find eligible.

873
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 4: Nick Ford is the catcher.

874
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 3: I like, this is another guy who I think, you know,

875
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 3: can fit right into that kind of backup catcher mix

876
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 3: with Jackson and Henry.

877
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 4: I think he might be a little bit closer.

878
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 3: To filling that kind of role than well, definitely than Henry,

879
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 3: but maybe even Jackson as well. I mean, he was

880
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 3: called up to Triple A recently and he's been hitting

881
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: really well there so far. I think if that trend continues,

882
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: I would be comfortable giving.

883
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 4: Him a little bit of a look in September.

884
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 3: Like we mentioned with those other guys, I mean, you've

885
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 3: got to see what you have before you make your

886
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 3: forty man decisions. He's a guy who has had sort

887
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 3: of like a little bit of a breakout this year

888
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 3: with the bat. We've seen him integrate some swing changes

889
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 3: and he's been able to make contact it's a bit

890
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 3: more meaningful. I mean, it's definitely still pretty fringy power,

891
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 3: but it's at least helped him hit for a higher average,

892
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: and his defensive profile is looking at least adequate behind

893
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 3: the plate as far as I'm concerned, So I think

894
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 3: he fits right into that competition with those other catchers

895
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 3: we were talking about, and he seems to be pretty

896
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: close to ready, so at least in a September kind

897
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 3: of environment, I think he could do okay.

898
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 1: He is that move up to Triple A. It didn't

899
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: register much with me because they kind of did it

900
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: in this aftermath of they had other catchers that were

901
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: they Chad Wallack who was in DFA limbo, they had

902
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 1: another catcher that was traveling with the team and Brian

903
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: and Brian nevert Oh. I thought he was just like

904
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: a placeholder at Triple A, but he is stuck there

905
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: as we're recording this. On a Thursday, he started at

906
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: dight for them while they had Peyton Henry catching, so

907
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: they got both of those catchers in the line. They

908
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: thought enough about his bat to actually have him DH

909
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: at a Triple A game, which is not something that

910
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: I would have seen coming entering this season. I mean,

911
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, he was really red hot earlier this

912
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 1: year at double A and then cooled down a little bit.

913
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: But when you look at some of the peripherals, it's

914
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: a lot more encouraging than these other Marlins hitters that

915
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: are striking out like a crazy rate. So I think

916
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: it's a pretty like big statements actually have him getting

917
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: his bat in the lineup intentionally for some of these

918
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: games instead of just worrying only about him as a catcher,

919
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: like feeling you have to put him in the lineup

920
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: just to like serve that role. I just don't know

921
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: how they're gonna juggle all those catchers on the roster

922
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: right now unless they like bite the bullet and actually

923
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: dfa poor he Al Farrow. I recorded a podcast where

924
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: I actually told them to do that, and they're not

925
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: going to listen to me. It was just a hypothetical.

926
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: But I don't know.

927
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: I mean, like I wouldn't I wouldn't sweat that move

928
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 3: very much if it were to happen.

929
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: Personally, Yeah, it's just really difficult to uh to watch

930
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: him at the plate, even though again as we're recording this,

931
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: he has his moments. He did have a big moment

932
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: in this game that the Marlins just won on Thursday,

933
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: stepping up in a late game situation. And he's an.

934
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 3: Interesting It's always been the same story with him, Like

935
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 3: he's one of the most talented players in the world,

936
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 3: like without exaggeration, but like the the approach just it

937
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 3: has not gotten one bit better since he was a teenager.

938
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: It's kind of it's kind of a Hobby bias situation,

939
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: you know, where you look at it and it's like,

940
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: you know, for me being a comes fan watching that

941
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: comes for so long, you know, I'm like, okay, cut.

942
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: You know, Hobby's going to cut strikeouts eventually, and it

943
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 2: just hasn't really happened. I think they've actually even increased

944
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 2: this year. And you know, with how far, oh, you've

945
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: just been waiting for it to put all together. He

946
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: hits the ball as hard as anybody in the league,

947
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 2: and you just can't do it. But you know, one

948
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 2: other guy that we didn't mention that has been up

949
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 2: and down that I'd like to get seeking get consistent action,

950
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of people are with me

951
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 2: here is Lewin Diaz. You know it could be it

952
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: would just be great to see him get some late

953
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: year action to the point where you know, we we

954
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 2: know with him, because we don't know, and you don't

955
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: really want to not know, you know, when he opens up,

956
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 2: if he opens up as the everyday first baseman, you know,

957
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: going into opening day next year. So I think the

958
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: Marlins are gonna want to find out about him, and

959
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: in order to do that, you know, they got to

960
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: get him some real like a legitimate look you know,

961
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 2: every day that kind of thing.

962
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: So that's what I thought too. And then they didn't

963
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: trade Aguilar and didn't even't seem that they came close

964
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: to trading hayesus Aguilar. So I'm yeah, I don't know

965
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: how they're going to create that playing time unless they

966
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: get Aguilar to agree to like ride the bench a

967
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: little bit down the stretch. That's gonna be an interesting

968
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: dynamic that let this see play out. The one other

969
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to cover on here is on the

970
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: minor leagues the rest of the year. It's sort of

971
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: a tricky question. But now you have these draft picks

972
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: filing in, and even though we hope for some of

973
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: these call ups, I think for the most part, it's

974
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: only going to be a small number of these prospects

975
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: that actually get meaningful action down the stretch who aren't

976
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: already on the roster. There's only so many spots to

977
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: play with between all the Marlins minor league levels in Jacksonville, Pensacola.

978
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: But Lloyd and Jupiter, what's the one that I guess

979
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: right now that you feel as the most interesting one

980
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: to follow? For whatever reasons that you follow them, whether

981
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: it's because you feel like the best prospects are at

982
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: one turned level, or is there something like particular that

983
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 1: that really enjoy about like falling along with those levels,

984
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: like it's it's there's there's a lot of factors that

985
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: go along with that. But I did mention right before

986
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: recording that was gonna throw it at you. Which of

987
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: those affiliates do you think if people get the chance

988
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: to see them in person, if people have their m

989
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: I LB TV subscriptions, Spencer, which of those levels, of

990
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: those full season levels do you think has the most

991
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: at stake the rest of this season and is like

992
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: the most compelling to follow along with?

993
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 3: Well, for the most compelling one for me, I think

994
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 3: down the Stretch is going to be Jupiter. I mean

995
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 3: part of that is because like I'm a big draft guy,

996
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 3: and we're going to be seeing a lot of those

997
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 3: guys kind of start to pass through there at a minimum.

998
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 3: But on top of that, I mean, you've got Urie Perez,

999
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 3: You've got Tex Faulton. You have some really really exciting

1000
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 3: young arms in that rotation pretty much. I mean Evan

1001
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 3: Fitter is now back in pitching in that rotation too.

1002
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 3: So you pick a Knie to go to that ballpark,

1003
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 3: chances are you're going to see an exciting young pitcher.

1004
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 3: You'll get a chance to see some of these new

1005
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 3: hitters in the organization. Not all of those guys are

1006
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 3: necessarily like big time prospects, but even like somebody like

1007
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 3: Bennett Hostetler, for me, I'm interested to see.

1008
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: What he does.

1009
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 2: Can you tell me, Spencer, what's the what's up with

1010
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: this guy? I'm out of the loop, Like what.

1011
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: Over?

1012
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: I see him all over my Twitter, Marlins party, Alex Matt,

1013
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 2: they all love this guy. It's the personality thing, like

1014
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: what's what's the deal?

1015
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 3: I mean, Like for me, it's the background. You know,

1016
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 3: he's from Dakota, which is like you know, players come

1017
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 3: out of there, but it's it's a pretty rare thing.

1018
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 4: And on top of that.

1019
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 3: I mean, he was a pretty high level high school

1020
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 3: football player, so he's got that kind of like a

1021
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 3: sort of athleticism that isn't especially common in baseball. And

1022
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 3: and you know, you look at kind of the pattern

1023
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 3: that his career followed through college, he was kind of

1024
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 3: slow to get off the ground and then really broke

1025
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 3: out in a big way as an upper classman. When

1026
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 3: I see that kind of pattern from a guy who

1027
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 3: was more focused on a different sport early on, I

1028
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 3: find it more compelling than if it's just some random

1029
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 3: senior who had a big year when he was twenty

1030
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 3: three years old in Division two. So I mean, like

1031
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 3: he is twenty three, he's very old for a draft prospect.

1032
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 4: The odds are.

1033
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 3: Not in his favor if you just look at historically

1034
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 3: players with his kind of demographics. But I mean, he's

1035
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 3: got strength, he's got speed, he's got the kind of

1036
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 3: background you would typically.

1037
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 4: See in a late bloomer. So there's a chance, like

1038
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 4: there's a chance for him to.

1039
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 3: Turn into something. And you know, when you're talking about

1040
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 3: a pick at the very end of the draft.

1041
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: Like that, right, it's a flyer. Yeah, I know for me, Eli,

1042
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: the one that I'm really looking forward to is Jupiter,

1043
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: for sure, and I have my own reasons in a six,

1044
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: but Pensacola is the one because I just want to see,

1045
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: you know, that pitching staff is so loaded with mccambley

1046
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 2: and Meyer, and Nicholas is there now and Eater of course,

1047
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 2: and then I want to see if Bladet can get

1048
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 2: it going. You know, it seems like he's kind of

1049
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 2: turned a corner. He struggled the last few nights, but

1050
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: it seems like the mechanics are really waking up for

1051
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 2: him and the bad is waking up for him, and

1052
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 2: I just want to see him have a nice finish.

1053
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: His numbers since July are pretty solid, and really, you know,

1054
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 2: it hasn't been as bad as it looks because he

1055
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: had such a bad May, but he's really kind of

1056
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: come out of it a little bit. So I want

1057
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: to see him have a nice finish to the year. Obviously,

1058
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 2: gryffin Co nine hits a fucking fucking home run every night,

1059
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, So that's incredible. And then Verdick,

1060
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 2: you know, can he get hot. I'm a little like,

1061
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: come on, man, like, I know you're hitting a bunch

1062
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 2: of home runs, but let's rolling a little bit, you know,

1063
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 2: and and so for me, I want to see if

1064
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 2: those hitters can kind of find a groove at the

1065
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: back end of the season. But with Jupiter, you know,

1066
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: Spencer talked about the draft guys, and I'm definitely excited about,

1067
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: you know, guys like tannor Allen who I mentioned earlier, Hosteler,

1068
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 2: you know, but maybe Khalil Watson gets there. You know

1069
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: that they promoted in the eighteen draft, you know, Scott

1070
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 2: and Osiris and Banfield. You know, they went up to Greensborough.

1071
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 2: I remember pretty quickly. So I think there's a chance

1072
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 2: that you know, they might get up to Jupiter, you know,

1073
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 2: when you talk about Mac and Khalil, just to get

1074
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 2: a look at them. But the one I'm really interested

1075
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: in is Jose Solace, and so I'm kind of watching

1076
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 2: the Jupiter area. You know, where can we get this

1077
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 2: guy to Jupiter, you know, on the Hammerheads, not just

1078
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: at the FCL, because he is torching the FCL right now,

1079
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: far above that competition. And this is a guy that

1080
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 2: I've told people behind the scenes, like I think this

1081
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: might be the guy for the Marlins. You know, maybe

1082
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 2: not at the level of tatists. But the guy where

1083
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 2: you look at the stars in this league, what they

1084
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 2: did to the FCL, or you know, in that level,

1085
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 2: the Dominican Summer League, the Complex Leagues, whatever, that's what

1086
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: Jose Solace is doing to these leagues right now. He's

1087
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 2: absolutely dominating the FCL. So I want to see him

1088
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 2: get a look at Jupiter and then some of the

1089
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 2: other guys that have been really good, you know, maybe

1090
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 2: Cyrus Johnson gets another look in Jupiter. That kind of stuff.

1091
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 2: So that's an area. That whole area is what I'm

1092
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 2: gonna be watching because you know, Khalil's gonna start in

1093
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 2: the FCL, and Joe Mack is gonna start in the SEL,

1094
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 2: and then some of these other guys and then they'll

1095
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: make that migration up to Jupiter. So I'm watching that

1096
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 2: whole area right now. Kind of.

1097
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, if if I had to choose, I would probably

1098
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: lean towards Pensacola because you did bring up Verdick and

1099
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: Bernick is one that I'm fascinated by him because I

1100
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: know the Marlins are fascinated by him, like they have

1101
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: been not shy about like mentioning how much they believe

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00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: in Burdick and reportedly there have been times where they've

1103
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: been asked by organizations about Burdick's availability and trades and

1104
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,959
Speaker 1: he is having this really odd season, and that I mean,

1105
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 1: hitting wise, it kind of has gone as I expected,

1106
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: Like I thought there would be some like limitations to

1107
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 1: his actual bat ball skills and that he'd be selling

1108
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: out for a lot of power. But also defensively, he's

1109
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: had to play a lot of center fields because they

1110
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: went into this year planning to have Victor Victor Mesa

1111
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: as their center fielder and we kind of know how

1112
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: that went, like pretty early on in the season, so

1113
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: by default, Burdick has been like the primary guy in

1114
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: center field for them. And he's someone that just go

1115
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: back to the previous discussion, I think he's a sleeper

1116
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: who could get called up before the end of the

1117
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 1: year because he is a little bit older than these

1118
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: other guys and because I don't think they're really there's

1119
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: not's not that much clay to mold with him, Like

1120
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: I don't think there's that delusion about making him like

1121
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: the perfect well rounded player, but he already does some

1122
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: things extremely well and he's already filled out as much

1123
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: as you can be. So when it comes to some prospects,

1124
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, I was just waiting for them to put

1125
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: on professional weight. You know, that's not an issue with him.

1126
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: He is. He's pretty close, I think, to what he

1127
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: is ultimately going to be. So I wouldn't be shocks

1128
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: if he's a guy that gets called up late in

1129
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 1: the year just because they're pretty close to wanting to

1130
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: figure out what they have in him, even though he

1131
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: was only drafted a couple of years ago. So that's

1132
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: that's the guy came my eye on, and of course

1133
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 1: with the pitchers as well. I don't think we've even

1134
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: mentioned the name Max Meyer at all during the show.

1135
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: And performance wise, he's been incredible this year. There had

1136
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: been some things about his performance that like make me

1137
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: raise an eyebrow, just in terms of the fastball velocity

1138
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: not being exactly what I thought it was hyped up

1139
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: to be coming into Pro Bowl, and this I guess

1140
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: the slider certainly in the majority of his stars, it

1141
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: has kind of lived up to the billing and that's

1142
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: kind of why he's been able to prevent runs so well,

1143
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: like he goes to it in all his key spots.

1144
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 1: I think that's the last thing we'll touch on with you, Spencer,

1145
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: because you yeah, you know Meyer kind of back in front,

1146
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 1: and you know that he was selected to the Futures

1147
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: Game this year deservedly. You know that his name was

1148
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 1: brought up in reportedly in discussions about a blockbuster trade

1149
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: at the deadline, according to Craig Mission the Miami Herald

1150
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: that apparently, despite how well is performing, the Marlins aren't

1151
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: necessarily considering him an untouchable. Do you consider him an untouchable?

1152
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: Are you like what what he's done this year?

1153
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 4: Well?

1154
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 3: I mean no, but I can't think of any pitching

1155
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 3: prospect I would ever consider untouchable, just having been burned.

1156
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 4: By enough of them over the years.

1157
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 3: Like I think when you hear about them floating him

1158
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 3: in that trade that was reported, I think.

1159
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 4: That you should read that.

1160
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 3: More as them thinking highly of Brandon Marsh.

1161
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 4: Which I do as well.

1162
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 3: Then we need to sell Meyer and like get off

1163
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 3: this ride while we can. I don't think that's the situation.

1164
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 3: I think that Meyer, on the whole, it's been a

1165
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 3: rock solid year for him. Like he hasn't been perfect, certainly,

1166
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 3: but I mean nobody really has other than maybe like

1167
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 3: Redebtmers until he got to the Major leagues with Meyer,

1168
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 3: I think, like with the fastball, like you mentioned, I

1169
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 3: think some consideration has to be given to the fact

1170
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 3: that this was a big step up in workload for

1171
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 3: him versus like his college career, like he got he

1172
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 3: basically went where he did in the draft off of

1173
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 3: what I forget exactly how many starts, but it was

1174
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 3: only a few, Like the workload in college was pretty

1175
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 3: limited for somebody.

1176
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 4: Who is that high a draft pick.

1177
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 3: And he's been able to, you know, take his return

1178
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 3: in the rotation without missing time. He's had some moments

1179
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 3: where the command has been a little wobbly, but I

1180
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 3: think like on the whole, he's on track there, Like

1181
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 3: there's still needs to be improvement, but I still think

1182
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 3: that he looks like a starting pitcher in terms of

1183
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 3: how he's locating his stuff, Like for where he is

1184
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 3: in his development, I think the biggest thing with him

1185
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 3: is that, like we need to see him get more

1186
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 3: comfortable working in more pitches that aren't fastballs and sliders.

1187
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 4: Not because I don't think that he.

1188
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 3: Can get pictures out with just fastballs and sliders, because

1189
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:19,919
Speaker 3: I think he absolutely can.

1190
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 4: He has been and I'm sure he will continue to.

1191
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 3: It's just that the track record for starting pitchers who

1192
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 3: throw that many sliders staying healthy is shaky. It's not

1193
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 3: very good, and I would like to see them try

1194
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 3: to get that number down a little bit before he

1195
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 3: like fully settles into his big league rotation role.

1196
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 4: That's that's definitely the word I see his future.

1197
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 3: I still like when he was drafted, I said, you know,

1198
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 3: I see him he can be as good as a

1199
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 3: number two, and I still feel that way. It's just,

1200
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 3: you know, there's there's another step guest to take with

1201
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 3: the command, and there's another step, yes to take with

1202
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 3: rounding out his arts and all. But I think he's

1203
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 3: choiced to do both of those, and I think it

1204
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 3: was a very successful year one forum in the.

1205
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: Organization, and it's not quite done yet. We still do

1206
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: get these last I guess we'll see exactly whether he

1207
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: goes the full length of the season or whether he

1208
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: starts getting shut down. You know, that's an unfortunate complication

1209
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: to this season is exactly how long a lot of

1210
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,439
Speaker 1: these pitchers in the organization have been performing great this year,

1211
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: but we could be nearing that point where some of

1212
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: these guys get the reins pulled back with them so yeah,

1213
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: the final thought I'll leave the people with is that

1214
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: you should enjoy savor these prospects the rest of the

1215
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: way because some of them will not be in the

1216
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: organization next year. We know where this Marlin's front office

1217
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: thinking is right now, where next year will be the

1218
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: year five under this ownership group, and they know that

1219
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,479
Speaker 1: this year was kind of disappointing at the major league level.

1220
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: One that is better than where we started this rebuild at.

1221
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: But they're looking to take that significant step forward. And

1222
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: if they're not going to be making those improvements be

1223
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: a free agency, they're going to be making some trades,

1224
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: and some of those trades will involve really notable prospects

1225
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: within the organization. This farm system depth is in good shape,

1226
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: and especially on the pitching side, but probably not all

1227
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: these guys are going to still be around in twenty

1228
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: twenty two. So yeah, I enjoy them while you have them,

1229
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: kind of form your opinions on them, and that will

1230
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: make it all the more interesting to analyze exactly where

1231
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: they go, which ones were comfortable, you know, parting with

1232
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: in order to address the big league team. It's a

1233
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: constant balancing act and after a few years of kind

1234
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: of hoarding a lot of these prospects. We're reaching a

1235
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: point where the Marlins are going to have to make

1236
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: some of those tough choices about who to keep and

1237
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: who not to so from Eli Sussman, from Spencer Morris

1238
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: and Ethan Podowski earning their stripes on the Fish Stripes podcast,

1239
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: and we'll be sure to get together again before this

1240
01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: season ends and get better summary of exactly what has

1241
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: gone on in this farm system this year, because there's

1242
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: been a lot of layers to it to how the

1243
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: development has gone coming off that last twenty twenty season.

1244
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,440
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1245
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,480
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