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Speaker 1: to Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis, and I'm joined in a
Speaker 1: room filled with some heroes, Mark Sessler and Chris Westling.
Speaker 1: What's up, boys, Heyden? Where's Greg? What's his deal? You
Speaker 1: know how we've been talking to the last few weeks.
Speaker 1: How God, this would be a great time to get away.
Speaker 1: It's a little kind of a strangely quiet time. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's actually some some things going on in the NFL
Speaker 1: right now. Um, but Greg followed the path of what
Speaker 1: we were laying out last week. We should get away.
Speaker 1: He got away. He's taking some time with the family.
Speaker 1: Can't really get on him for it. No, I think
Speaker 1: it's a smart move. We it was a very realistic plan,
Speaker 1: and someone jumped on it as they should have. Right,
Speaker 1: somebody sprinted toward the door door. It was Greg leaving
Speaker 1: the Three Amigos. That's what I call us. Wait, last
Speaker 1: time I wasn't here, you called yourselves the Three Amigos.
Speaker 1: Greg called it like the Ultimate Dad movie or something.
Speaker 1: He classic three Amigos talk right here. Um, how's over?
Speaker 1: But his weekend? Good? Totally nondescript. Okay, I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's good or bad. It's like, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not bad. It's not good either. Script watched about twelve
Speaker 1: minutes of the Masters? Did you right? Watch the right
Speaker 1: twelve minutes? Yes? I did? Yes, that was that was
Speaker 1: a great sports event, and it's it's going to be
Speaker 1: uh tied into our segment later today, come back kids
Speaker 1: of the NFL in nineteen I I would never would
Speaker 1: classify myself as a golf fan, but the whole Tiger
Speaker 1: Woods come Back angle easy to get sucked into the
Speaker 1: point where when I had to go to Lorenzo's birthday
Speaker 1: party at the Discovery Cube, Los Angeles, it was Jack,
Speaker 1: Jack's friend from school. Yeah, I was legitimately annoyed and
Speaker 1: went as far as how could I watch this online?
Speaker 1: I said on Twitter? And then I found out, Hey,
Speaker 1: there's a Master's app. So who's the dad at the
Speaker 1: Discovery Cube watching the last three holes of the Masters?
Speaker 1: That's a credit to Tiger Woods. You couldn't have been
Speaker 1: the only dad, right, this is Los Angeles. Well, men,
Speaker 1: A lot of men here don't are traditional men in
Speaker 1: the masculine sense. So I there, I was the only
Speaker 1: one even halfway plugged into sports at this event, but
Speaker 1: minor humble bragg But I mean, I don't I'm not
Speaker 1: a huge fan of parents, um who you know, who it's?
Speaker 1: Who knows who's you know, making a decision in the
Speaker 1: Lorenzo family parental units of the very nice. I'm sure
Speaker 1: they're very nice, that's not the issue. But like, you
Speaker 1: don't schedule arbitrary children's um events during major sporting events
Speaker 1: and then expect the whether it's the wife or the husband,
Speaker 1: who is a huge fan of said sport, to be
Speaker 1: going to these things in some sort of happy, joyous mode. No,
Speaker 1: it's quite annoying, Absolutely true, Mark, Am I wrong? I
Speaker 1: feel like you're just you're just sort of saying that
Speaker 1: you agree, honestly. You know what I think it is
Speaker 1: once you get to a certain age and you have
Speaker 1: kids that are going to birthday parties, you're in the
Speaker 1: twilight zone and there's just mean, yeah, you can't get
Speaker 1: mad about it as long as you're not doing it.
Speaker 1: Like there's a kid in Jack's class that's having his
Speaker 1: birthday party on Easter Sundays, Like, what what are we doing?
Speaker 1: You're expecting us to go to your child's party. We
Speaker 1: don't want to see that. I like because that's a
Speaker 1: power move against who jesus well, that's a huge power
Speaker 1: move if that's what he's he or she said parent
Speaker 1: is doing. Let's save it for the theology podcast. So yes,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into players figures uh in the NFL,
Speaker 1: who we predict or could see a comeback in twenty nineteen. Um,
Speaker 1: But first let's get to Oh, how are you Ricky doing? Well? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was your weekend. You watch the Masters? I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I really we're not gonna hold that against Did you
Speaker 1: watch the Game of Thrones? Of course I did. I
Speaker 1: was so exciting. It feels as a guy I'm a
Speaker 1: pop pop culture guy not being connected to Game of Throne.
Speaker 1: You're out. I was out three years ago, and it feels, um,
Speaker 1: I really do have fomo for real? You should. You
Speaker 1: should catch out because this is the last season. We
Speaker 1: waited two years like this is so cool. But you
Speaker 1: know what, the reason I stopped watching because it was
Speaker 1: a bunch of garbage with you know, but it comes
Speaker 1: back if you stopped watching. When I think you stopped watching,
Speaker 1: like just chill, okay, like just just chill bro okay,
Speaker 1: maybe i'll quote unquote binge watch, let's this and this
Speaker 1: here it is, Woods has two feet to win the Masters.
Speaker 1: It really quiets down. Tiger back behind the ball Woods.
Speaker 1: He has done it. Tiger is back. Tiger is back
Speaker 1: on top. Tiger Woods the two thousand nineteen Masters Champions,
Speaker 1: one of the great comeback stories in American sports history.
Speaker 1: Masters number five, make You're number fifty and Augusta National
Speaker 1: roars like never before, a reminder that Mike Tariko is
Speaker 1: it the goat. It doesn't matter what the event is.
Speaker 1: The man is gonna show up prepared and he's gonna
Speaker 1: know how to handle the moment. When to talk, when
Speaker 1: to shut up. It's harder than it sounds. I was
Speaker 1: glad to hear Tarko instead of Jim Nance on on
Speaker 1: this call. Right here. Nance did the thing where he
Speaker 1: didn't talk for two minutes, which is almost like a sneaky, um,
Speaker 1: look at me move because he knows he's gonna get
Speaker 1: articles written like Jim NaN's new When to say nothing
Speaker 1: at all? That's column by Ian O'Connor. That's a very steep,
Speaker 1: sneaky alright, a lot of golf talk all right here
Speaker 1: we go let's get into the news. Back to football.
Speaker 1: You know what regulars stay in right away, Wilson deadline
Speaker 1: watch simer trade me. I'm not gonna play. I will
Speaker 1: go Hawks. Here it is April fift yet everything and
Speaker 1: that was accurate. Oh yeah, I'm not gonna play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you will ends everything with go Hawks. That's what he does.
Speaker 1: Short but sweet. In fact, that was Russell Wilson. We
Speaker 1: get what we're able to get him. It's a little more,
Speaker 1: a little more personality than normal. Ricky picked up the
Speaker 1: phone and surprisingly he said he would do a drop
Speaker 1: for our podcast. That was cool, speaking which um Andrews
Speaker 1: Ciciliano on live television today derided me angrily for mispronouncing Sierra. Well,
Speaker 1: because you angrily derided Chris West. Well, you you took
Speaker 1: the as you say, you're the pop culture guy. You
Speaker 1: jumped into correct incorrectly. West, and Andrew was just simply
Speaker 1: putting you back. Damn was free from derision. I think
Speaker 1: it was. It was merely a correction, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: c I A to correct a friend on national television
Speaker 1: is a bit of an extra move. And mine was
Speaker 1: Sam simply happened to you. Mine is a little tongue
Speaker 1: in cheek, little wink at West, and then Andrew came
Speaker 1: with like the stomach. It was just like, all right, bro,
Speaker 1: I get I think he said something like, why don't
Speaker 1: you go hike in the Sierra Mountains? Well back after this,
Speaker 1: I'm all right bro. Then they cut your mic anyway, So,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, where are we at? April fift is the
Speaker 1: day that's the Seahawks quarner back told Team Brass he
Speaker 1: wanted a new contract done or he would cut off
Speaker 1: talks entirely. Uh so here's we're at that day. No
Speaker 1: news as of this taping of a new deal. Rap
Speaker 1: Sheet reported that Mark Rogers, Wilson's agent, has been on
Speaker 1: the ground in Seattle for the last three days to
Speaker 1: negotiate with team management. The sides continue to work with
Speaker 1: the deadline moving blooming excuse me not moving. But Wilson
Speaker 1: also um is with the Seahawks at the beginning of
Speaker 1: their offseason workout program. West, as he said he would
Speaker 1: be what is your take on the last hours of
Speaker 1: the situation? Well, I mean, not everybody knows this, but
Speaker 1: we were told this last time he was going for
Speaker 1: a contract. He doesn't just have any agent. He's got
Speaker 1: a baseball agent, so that means he wants guaranteed money. Apparently,
Speaker 1: any other normal agent would not be trying to get
Speaker 1: their client fully guaranteed money. But what's going on this
Speaker 1: time is apparently Russell Wilson wants a fluctuating salary that
Speaker 1: can go up if the salary cap goes up by
Speaker 1: quite a bit, if revenue sharing goes up by quite
Speaker 1: a bit, if the streaming services, if gambling is legal.
Speaker 1: He wants his contract to reflect that if these changes
Speaker 1: are made, and especially with the c b A expiring
Speaker 1: in two our and twenty two, I believe by the
Speaker 1: time his next contract comes up, it could be too
Speaker 1: late to see to see all those advancements. So it
Speaker 1: seems like he's trying to get what he wants. Last
Speaker 1: time he tried this, the Seahawks did not give him
Speaker 1: a fully guaranteed deal. So we'll see who wins with
Speaker 1: this posturing. When we first talked about this situation, we
Speaker 1: kind of laughed at Russell Wilson in the sense that
Speaker 1: we thought that, yes, it's a deadline, but it's a
Speaker 1: soft deadline, and you know, maybe they strike a deal
Speaker 1: to any point. Peter King came very strongly in his
Speaker 1: column this morning, basically saying absolutely not. If this doesn't
Speaker 1: happen today in this window, then there is no negotiation.
Speaker 1: It's not happening at all, and that there is a
Speaker 1: sense that Russell Wilson from the Seahawks and elsewhere, wants
Speaker 1: to play somewhere else next next season. It wouldn't be
Speaker 1: this year. They can still franchise, tag him all that
Speaker 1: other business. But for me, it I think the tone
Speaker 1: is shifted where there is a realistic chain of events
Speaker 1: to imagine Russell Wilson somewhere else down the road. If
Speaker 1: it comes to the point where this is a player
Speaker 1: who doesn't want to stay in Seattle. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: they couldn't keep him there against his will, but that
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like the most Seahawks thing to do of
Speaker 1: all time. That just a two weeks ago, I never
Speaker 1: would have thought on any level he would be anywhere
Speaker 1: than Seattle. There is a sliver of hope if you're
Speaker 1: some quarterback needy team out there, that you might be
Speaker 1: in play for it down the road. Do we really
Speaker 1: believe it though? That of hope? No, No, I don't
Speaker 1: mean that well. I mean that too but the idea
Speaker 1: that if they do not come to terms and a
Speaker 1: deal on April fifteen, the Seahawks no longer have a
Speaker 1: window open. What if they come hard with a great
Speaker 1: offer three months from that, Russell Wilson's gonna say Nope,
Speaker 1: April was the window go Hawks. Like I think this
Speaker 1: is probably posturing at a high level, at a very
Speaker 1: public level. And I still think that a deal gets done.
Speaker 1: But I think he's playing hardball because he's got a
Speaker 1: baseball agent. Well, it is posturing time of year. This
Speaker 1: is a time to entrench and tell teams that you're
Speaker 1: not gonna do the deal that they want. You know,
Speaker 1: I'd rather see it done in April than in October,
Speaker 1: I would it. Though, if you're Russell Wilson, there is
Speaker 1: advantages to seeing if any other major quarterback contracts land
Speaker 1: between now and next offseason. And also, like you mentioned
Speaker 1: the c b A, to get one year closer to
Speaker 1: not having whatever deal you construct be outdated by the
Speaker 1: c b A and what change has come they don't know.
Speaker 1: I think any agent that isn't battling for fully guaranteed
Speaker 1: money and isn't looking at gambling revenue, and of all
Speaker 1: this other stuff is way in the past at this point,
Speaker 1: So it's not just that he's a baseball agent. You're
Speaker 1: looking ahead of what the what the league is gonna
Speaker 1: look like two or three years from now. He was
Speaker 1: the highest paid player in football when he signed his
Speaker 1: last deal, and now he's making about where Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is making on an annual basis. Um. One last note, um,
Speaker 1: A source very close to the situation told me uh
Speaker 1: the a t N media insider that he was corrected
Speaker 1: the source by Russell Wilson himself for mispronouncing Sierra's name.
Speaker 1: So it's a it's a common mistake. It happens, um,
Speaker 1: because I just happen to make your mistake. It is Wait,
Speaker 1: you who just said that the way Chris Wesley pronounced
Speaker 1: it is correct? Just found out after our live hit. Oh.
Speaker 1: I wasn't waiting for any sources, but I'm glad you
Speaker 1: did some some work on But this source himself was
Speaker 1: corrected by Russell Wilson, a bro. It's actually Sarah go Hawks. Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, do we put some of the blame on her?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's not even her birth name or not.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but like to construct a name that
Speaker 1: half the people are pronouncing incorrectly. That's sometimes on the
Speaker 1: the person naming the human or the human themselves, or
Speaker 1: not believe it right there, Mark, You've said it well.
Speaker 1: Reuben Foster, Uh, the Washington Redskins linebacker, he could return
Speaker 1: to the football field sooner than a lot of us
Speaker 1: thought he would. The NFL announced on Friday the Foster
Speaker 1: will be find to game checks but not suspended after
Speaker 1: his latest domestic violence incident. Um foster is November arrest
Speaker 1: and APPA over allegations of domestic assault resulted in his
Speaker 1: release from the Niners. The Redskins claim Foster three days later,
Speaker 1: but the league placed the linebacker on the Commissioner Exempt List,
Speaker 1: which prevented him from playing and practicing until the NFL
Speaker 1: investigation ran its course. That is now run its course,
Speaker 1: and Tom Pella Sero of NFL Network reported on our
Speaker 1: air waves that Uh Foster spoke multiple times and met
Speaker 1: in person with Goodell, and the NFL viewed video from
Speaker 1: the hotel provided by law enforcement where the alleged incident
Speaker 1: occurred before deciding on uh no suspension. So the Redskins
Speaker 1: got killed for picking Foster up. Um, you could still
Speaker 1: kill them for picking Foster up regardless of how the
Speaker 1: NFL investigation UH played out. But as it's working out
Speaker 1: for them, they're not even gonna be missing him for
Speaker 1: the start of the season, so they're probably feeling pretty
Speaker 1: good about this. What a costly move this was for
Speaker 1: the forty niners to draft him, part ways with him
Speaker 1: and then see him get cleared. Um. And I know
Speaker 1: that that regardless of what the punishment ended up being,
Speaker 1: they were disappointed in him because they told him to
Speaker 1: stay out of trouble and stay away from this woman
Speaker 1: on the road and he didn't do it. Um. But
Speaker 1: you look at the Redskins now and you could argue
Speaker 1: that no team added two players on defense with a
Speaker 1: greater impact than Ruben Foster and Landon Collins. And I mean,
Speaker 1: Bruce Allen, the Redskins GM, which because now we will
Speaker 1: be mentioning what UH team these gems work for a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of feedback saying you get that
Speaker 1: that you know, I have another job. I don't attach
Speaker 1: myself to the knowledge of every reigning GM in the
Speaker 1: thirty two team league. I I agree with you. Bruce
Speaker 1: Allen basically said in January we had no concerns we
Speaker 1: thought he would be cleared. Whenever you hear about these
Speaker 1: things where the accuser drops the charges and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: or or recancer story on the stand, I always feels
Speaker 1: like there's something else happening there that is not just
Speaker 1: but um for me, the Niners to to put as
Speaker 1: much investment into you did into Ruben Foster and get
Speaker 1: to the decision that we're cutting bait with this player.
Speaker 1: They know so much more than we know about the
Speaker 1: way he makes choices and operates that I just don't
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be the last um up and down
Speaker 1: moment for the Redskins with this. The Minnesota Vikings moving on,
Speaker 1: have paid out a lot of money to another star.
Speaker 1: A year after Kirk Cousins got all the money, Anthony
Speaker 1: Barr got a huge deal and UH free agency to
Speaker 1: stick around. Well, Adam Theland's not going anywhere. He agreed
Speaker 1: to a four year extension worth sixty four million maximum
Speaker 1: of seventy three million. UH rap Sheet reported the deal
Speaker 1: comes with thirty five million in guarantees. The deal is
Speaker 1: now official. As of this week. UH Theland was set
Speaker 1: to enter the final two years of his contract with
Speaker 1: at a very controllable cheap rate less than six million
Speaker 1: per both years. Now he's really set up well. Uh,
Speaker 1: this has been mark one of the best wide receivers
Speaker 1: in football or the last couple of years. He's coming
Speaker 1: off two straight one thousand yards seasons Pro Bowl guy
Speaker 1: um and especially at the beginning of last season, he
Speaker 1: was on a record setting pace. This guy produces year
Speaker 1: and year out, and now he's paid like it. I
Speaker 1: look at the at the Vikings and there are a
Speaker 1: team that a couple of years ago went to an
Speaker 1: NFC title game with a quarterback that cost next to nothing.
Speaker 1: You had a young Stephan Diggs who was at that
Speaker 1: point not playing for what he's playing right now, and
Speaker 1: you'd Adam Theland who cost you pennies and was overproducing.
Speaker 1: And you're able to build a great defense and a
Speaker 1: team when all that's happening now. Digs over the next
Speaker 1: four seasons makes twelve, fourteen and two years of fifteen
Speaker 1: million dollars. Adam Theland is making a bundle, and you
Speaker 1: have sixty million in dead money tied up in Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: If you find out two years from now he's not
Speaker 1: your guy, so you have a met one of these
Speaker 1: rosters that I was financially exceedingly top heavy. All three
Speaker 1: of these players were on the team last year and
Speaker 1: the Vikings largely stunk. So you've got to hope that
Speaker 1: you can continue to put an investments into your offensive line,
Speaker 1: which was a huge issue, and not let the defense
Speaker 1: and some of those contracts fall off a cliff to
Speaker 1: what a victory for the player. The Vikings were prescient
Speaker 1: enough to sign him before appreciate apprecient, before everyone knew
Speaker 1: that Adam Phelan was gonna be a Pro Bowl, All
Speaker 1: Pro caliber type of receiver. And he's gotten better every year.
Speaker 1: I think you could say two thousand seven team was
Speaker 1: his breakout year, but he only had four touchdowns, and
Speaker 1: the question was how big of a playmaker is he
Speaker 1: is he's just moving the chains or is he actually
Speaker 1: making huge plays. Then last year he said he has
Speaker 1: that streak of eight or nine hundred yard games and
Speaker 1: also found the end zone nine times. He's just gotten
Speaker 1: better every year. He might be the best route runner
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Now, I would say one thing, the
Speaker 1: fact that Lakwan Treadwell never really bloomed into what they
Speaker 1: thought would be a Number one winds up being very
Speaker 1: expensive because you have to sink money into someone other
Speaker 1: than Lakwan Treadwell. This is a big year for the Vikings,
Speaker 1: I mean because is on on the books for another
Speaker 1: two years. But if they have another dis pointing season,
Speaker 1: they're kind of a franchise, like Mark says, top heavy
Speaker 1: and also not close to the top. And they haven't
Speaker 1: fixed for their number one bugaboo the offensive line. They
Speaker 1: Briley Reef is still set to be their left tackle.
Speaker 1: And they have a head coach who has fired other
Speaker 1: coaches and could not get along with other coaches because
Speaker 1: he wants to be a run heavy team where your
Speaker 1: biggest investment is going to two wide receivers in the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Then that head coaches for what team? The Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 1: Everybody's plugged in of the middle of our country, all right?
Speaker 1: Moving on, More teams reporting for their off season programs
Speaker 1: starting Monday. One of them is the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 1: A notable player connected to that team, Tyreek Hill Uh,
Speaker 1: the receiver, is planning to report to the facilities the
Speaker 1: Chiefs open offseason conditioning workouts. Monday rap sheet reported um
Speaker 1: Hill is being investigated by local authorities for a potential
Speaker 1: domestic violence incident. Hill has not been charged with a crime,
Speaker 1: and the NFL is not expected to rule or make
Speaker 1: any con conclusions on hill situation until Child Productive Services
Speaker 1: in Overland Park, Kansas finishes its investigation into an alleged
Speaker 1: battery involving a juvenile. We've mostly stayed away from the
Speaker 1: story to this point just because as you're hearing just there,
Speaker 1: it's still murky. It's still kind of a nebulous UH story.
Speaker 1: We don't know what they're gonna come back with in
Speaker 1: terms of what happened between Hill and members of his family,
Speaker 1: and that will probably based on what the findings are
Speaker 1: dictate potentially as Tyreek Hill is playing football for the
Speaker 1: Chiefs this year, but for the time being, they're going
Speaker 1: about business as usual and Hill is there. Buts it's
Speaker 1: a major UH situation to track just from a team
Speaker 1: stand for it for the Chiefs who who survived Kareem
Speaker 1: hunt Um and his exit due to domestic violence issues,
Speaker 1: but how how painful would Trek Hill not being involved
Speaker 1: with the Chief's offense be to that team. It's a
Speaker 1: massive story because many people and Sean Payton and Drew
Speaker 1: Brees are among those who told Peter King during the season,
Speaker 1: the most valuable, uh the most dangerous UH skilled position
Speaker 1: player in the NFL is Tyreek Hill, and I believe
Speaker 1: that to be true as well. This is a guy
Speaker 1: who the Chiefs wanted to make the highest paid wide
Speaker 1: receiver in football, and then reports come out this offseason
Speaker 1: they're actually trying to trade him, and you have to
Speaker 1: think that this is part of the reason why, especially
Speaker 1: given his history um of abuse, that this is a
Speaker 1: guy who the leash is gonna be very short for
Speaker 1: if he does end up in trouble for this it
Speaker 1: is I mean, so suddenly, if there was a scenario
Speaker 1: where you move Tyreek Hill or he's not available to
Speaker 1: you for over reasons, you have a wide receiver group
Speaker 1: of Sammy Watkins to Marcus Robinson and Sammy Coates and
Speaker 1: you have no Kareem Hunt. That is a vastly different
Speaker 1: roster than what the Chiefs fans have experienced of late.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're getting to the point where, yes, you
Speaker 1: have the reigning m v P at quarterback in your building,
Speaker 1: but as we saw in Green Bay, there's certain at
Speaker 1: a certain point it will show if you take away
Speaker 1: the weapons. So yes, this is a major plot line
Speaker 1: surrounding Kansas City as they look to get over the
Speaker 1: humps and will continue to track it. All Right, so
Speaker 1: let's talk a little draft. Yeah, no more domestic violence
Speaker 1: stuff for the rest of the show. Okay, let's talk
Speaker 1: some draft. Um. Daniel Jeremiah move the sticks on Twitter.
Speaker 1: You know who he is. He's the biggest name in
Speaker 1: the NFL now, at least at NFL Network when it
Speaker 1: comes to draft stuff. I mean, he should start a
Speaker 1: side show, his own podcast maybe and leverage that, but
Speaker 1: he hasn't yet. When he does, we'll let you know.
Speaker 1: But here is a tweet from him six hours ago
Speaker 1: from this taping. April one, Confidence Meter, Kyler Murray of Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: the quarterback will be first overall pick. Two weeks later,
Speaker 1: April Confidence Meter six, Kyler Murray going number one overall. Um. Interesting,
Speaker 1: um mark, because listen, we've been working under the impression
Speaker 1: for weeks now around here and any everyone connected to
Speaker 1: the football gagn sent that Kyler Murray was it done.
Speaker 1: He's gonna go to the Cardinals. Josh Rosen is gonna
Speaker 1: have to find another job. But now it might not
Speaker 1: be that way. I mean, there's so many variables attached
Speaker 1: this because it's the people in the building that supported
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen, selecting him, grooming him last year, hoping to
Speaker 1: get a big second year, and wanting to get enough back.
Speaker 1: If you're going to move on from Josh Rosen, you
Speaker 1: don't want to get fleeced in that deal and then
Speaker 1: turn around and just put your hopes into another rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1: You also have everyone that believes that the coach, Cliff
Speaker 1: Kingsbury is all on board with Kyler Murray in terms
Speaker 1: of a skill set, and you don't want to start
Speaker 1: your relationship as a second coach or third coach at
Speaker 1: GM in Steve kim by not giving your head coach
Speaker 1: what he truly wants. That to me feels like the
Speaker 1: seeds of dissent happening early. I would just I'm sure
Speaker 1: the Cardinals would love to also have the option to
Speaker 1: trade number one and get a bounty to but that
Speaker 1: you know, if you look at studies by PFF and others,
Speaker 1: there's no team in the league that has more global
Speaker 1: needs on their roster than the Cardinals, So extra picks
Speaker 1: and extra high picks and makes sense. I would say
Speaker 1: this if we started at zero percent that the Cardinals
Speaker 1: were gonna trade Rosen to get Kyler Murray and suddenly
Speaker 1: we were DJ said I was at zero percent, but
Speaker 1: now I'm at sixty. People would be there, People's hair
Speaker 1: would be on fire, people would be freaking out. So
Speaker 1: is still a massive number for the idea that this
Speaker 1: team is invested in potentially trading away their quarterback for
Speaker 1: Carler Murray. How concede that I've probably been wrong about this,
Speaker 1: but my thought on this all along is put yourself
Speaker 1: in the general manager shoes and from the beginning, if
Speaker 1: there's even a three percent chance that you think you
Speaker 1: can get the Raiders to give up some of their
Speaker 1: treasure chest of draft picks for that number one pick,
Speaker 1: that had to be your priority this offseason. Posesising yourself
Speaker 1: by your quotes, by any moves you're gonna do to
Speaker 1: try to dupe the Raiders into overpaying for that number
Speaker 1: one pick. And Peter King has said Monday morning, there
Speaker 1: is not unanimity inside the Cardinals building take regarding whether
Speaker 1: they'll take Kyler Murray or not. And and if you
Speaker 1: think back till last year, at this time, the question
Speaker 1: was whether the Browns are gonna take Josh Allen or
Speaker 1: Sam Donald at number one. So we're still ten days
Speaker 1: away and it's all up in there. Yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: And Mark to Mark's point about, you know, an advanced
Speaker 1: analytics how they study where the Cardinals at in that
Speaker 1: Peter King article, Uh, the in the two thousand Atheen
Speaker 1: sees and the Cardinals only have two players from their
Speaker 1: starting twenty two rated in the top fifteen in the
Speaker 1: league at their positions. So yes, a team with a
Speaker 1: lot of needs. And if there was one organization in
Speaker 1: football that had all those picks that you would hope
Speaker 1: would be in this type of scenario where they would
Speaker 1: go nuts and pull off a big trade, it's got
Speaker 1: to be the Raiders, right Like, so I totally don't
Speaker 1: rule it out, but I still think Kyler Murray goes
Speaker 1: first overall. I guess I'm here's the thing I like that.
Speaker 1: I think Wes you ailed at that from the start.
Speaker 1: There's not been one unified vision of what they're gonna
Speaker 1: do at quarterback, especially when you're g M. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of pride wrapped up in this picked Josh Rosen
Speaker 1: along with ownerships, you know, willingness last year less than
Speaker 1: a year ago. But who does it meant? Doesn't matter
Speaker 1: more if Cime wants this quarterback or if Cliff Kingsbury,
Speaker 1: do you start this relationship with clings kick Cliff Kingsbury
Speaker 1: when you have the chance to get the quarterback he
Speaker 1: wants and go into the direction. It just feels like
Speaker 1: a dubious way to to open chapter one. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: Chris Hogan got a job. The Panthers announced Friday they
Speaker 1: signed the wide receiver to a one year deal. Hogan
Speaker 1: spent the past three years with the Patriots, uh, never
Speaker 1: really developing um chemistry necessary to foster a long term
Speaker 1: home in New England with Tom Brady. But now he
Speaker 1: joins a receiver group in Carolina that's pretty crowded DJ Moore, Curtis,
Speaker 1: Samuel Tory, Smith, Gyus Wright, Rashad raw Us Uh and others.
Speaker 1: So Chris Hogan's gonna have to earn playing time and snaps.
Speaker 1: But we will see what happens. Hogan also had this
Speaker 1: quote was Tom was great, He demanded a lot and
Speaker 1: was an ultimate competitor. From what I hear and just
Speaker 1: from watching cam he's the ultimate competitor as well. Really
Speaker 1: excited about the opportunity to play there. Callab me one
Speaker 1: no I mean the Ultimate Warrior, where there multiple Ultimate warriors.
Speaker 1: Ultimate means yeah, the ultimate player, shake those ropes. Ultimate
Speaker 1: competitor And I get, by the way, that's absurd, Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: I can't stand the guy. I want him out of
Speaker 1: my life forever. An unbelievable competitor. Cam Newton didn't even
Speaker 1: fall on a fumble in the Super Bowl down to
Speaker 1: score and I don't want to hear it. And you
Speaker 1: can throw it back. Oh, that's old news, that's tired.
Speaker 1: You know, that's lame that you bring that up. Tell
Speaker 1: me name one true ultimate you said, ultimate competitor that
Speaker 1: does not get down on the turf for that A
Speaker 1: ball that's still sticks in my craw Yeah. But if
Speaker 1: you were hired as the Carolina Panthers dot com lead writer,
Speaker 1: you would not be allowed to say anything you just said.
Speaker 1: He's part of that. I don't even know if I'm
Speaker 1: allowed to say on this podcast. Do people seem a
Speaker 1: little sensitive? Gonna slip through? I think we'll be okay.
Speaker 1: I approve of your semantical nick nitpicking Ultimate Competitor, Cam Newton?
Speaker 1: Are you serious? Watch the tape. Also, Chris Hogan has
Speaker 1: before he has a logo Ris Hogan has a logo.
Speaker 1: I went on his Twitter page after he signed this weekend.
Speaker 1: Not exactly Jerry West, the man has a logo where
Speaker 1: what is the limit? What is the limit? What do
Speaker 1: you need? What is the where's the bar? At what
Speaker 1: point do you have a logo? Because I think we
Speaker 1: found the lowest point. And I'm not trying to get
Speaker 1: on this guy too hard. Chris Hogan. He seems like
Speaker 1: a nice guy. Remember him from Hard Knocks, you know,
Speaker 1: and he's trying to make it with the Dolphins years ago.
Speaker 1: Seven always no seven eleven seven eleven. Oh my bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fine, wrong fraction, that's fine, we're even now after
Speaker 1: the well, I want to check one thing out and
Speaker 1: now you can continue. But like his logo essentially is
Speaker 1: the fifteen on his jersey turned into a poor looking
Speaker 1: g and this this logan was only really amantheo, I
Speaker 1: want to see if there's anyone with the number fift
Speaker 1: Can you check on that? While I sat out the
Speaker 1: next news, I did because Chris Hogan is not the Again,
Speaker 1: not all due respect to Chris Hogan, He's not a
Speaker 1: guy that walks in the locker room and says, give
Speaker 1: me my number, you know, you know, I'm a fourteen
Speaker 1: time pro bowler. Give me my number. It's not happening
Speaker 1: with Chris Hogan. I am still looking that up. It's
Speaker 1: taking me finally. Sean McVeigh, the Rams head coach, was
Speaker 1: on the Rich Eyes and Show on Friday, and he
Speaker 1: said that Todd Gurley his all Pro running back despite
Speaker 1: the knee condition which haunted the Rams and Girle at
Speaker 1: the end of last season. And we heard some you know, worrying, uh,
Speaker 1: worrisome commentary about what the knee is going forward in
Speaker 1: terms of its long term durability. Uh, and the thought
Speaker 1: that maybe Girly isn't the guy to be the center
Speaker 1: of the offense. Well, guess what they thinks he will be. Um,
Speaker 1: you can expect Todd to be the focal point of
Speaker 1: our offense again as we move forward. He's in a
Speaker 1: good place, he's feeling good and and he's going to
Speaker 1: continue to be a central part of our offense, you know,
Speaker 1: going into the nineteen season. And I don't see that
Speaker 1: changeing west my thought on that, and I'll let Mark
Speaker 1: continue to do his research. I'll believe what I said.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. You know what you learned going
Speaker 1: through perhaps maybe a bad breakup or something. Actions not words, right,
Speaker 1: Your words are cheap. At this point, the Rams told
Speaker 1: us this guy was healthy, and then they promptly played C. J.
Speaker 1: Anderson over him, which you don't do with the offensive
Speaker 1: player of the year. I mean, to me, prove it.
Speaker 1: Let's see where we are October one, not even week one,
Speaker 1: a week two. Let's see how this season starts to
Speaker 1: play out. Now we're gonna throw it to Mark Suster,
Speaker 1: who has done his research. He's shaking his head. The
Speaker 1: confidence is wavering potentially. I mean no, I mean, unless
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of things can happen in these
Speaker 1: months where they change some of these jersey designations. But
Speaker 1: Rashad Ross, who some field could just flat out beat
Speaker 1: out Chris Hogan for this role. It's wearing number fifteen.
Speaker 1: According to online, that's always the worst case, well the
Speaker 1: worst case scenarios if it's an established star. Obviously he's
Speaker 1: an established a star right well, yes so, but he
Speaker 1: is not only going to a new team. He's got
Speaker 1: the logo, he's got the bumper stickers and the T shirts,
Speaker 1: and he's Chris Hogans made a financial investment in this
Speaker 1: Hogan fifteen logo. It's not gonna be easy to go
Speaker 1: into the wide receiver's room and go up against the competitor.
Speaker 1: Let's face it, that's how it works in football. You're competing.
Speaker 1: You're trying to take that man's job and say, hey,
Speaker 1: before this competition heats up, I need my all my logo,
Speaker 1: merch all my logo swags still to be functional and relevant.
Speaker 1: Can I have your number? In fact, you could go
Speaker 1: as far as the saying Rashad Ross if he wants
Speaker 1: to get in early, like shot to the chops on Hogan.
Speaker 1: So let's go take a walk, or do you take
Speaker 1: some sort of revenue revenue sharing plan off of all
Speaker 1: the Hogan number fifteen shirts and shorts and winter I'm
Speaker 1: just saying you've got to think strategically like a businessman.
Speaker 1: All right, that's what's happening in the news. All right,
Speaker 1: Did you have anything you wanted to rack? You hit
Speaker 1: me up on Slack about something earlier. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: just gonna say that. Sierra was born Sierra Princess Harris
Speaker 1: on October in Austin, Texas. So that is her birth name,
Speaker 1: Sierra Princess Harris. Yes, and then her and Russell Wilson's
Speaker 1: um daughter's middle name is Princess as well. I like
Speaker 1: that the woman being named after a older woman in
Speaker 1: the family. They don't. You don't see that often and
Speaker 1: that needs to be done more called a little baby
Speaker 1: a woman. Well, I'm just saying, like, like, my mom's
Speaker 1: name is Barbara. If I had been a daughter, why
Speaker 1: not call me Barbara the second or Barbara Jr. For
Speaker 1: even if it's a male. No, I mean if I
Speaker 1: were if I were born female, or just call me
Speaker 1: if call me Barbara as a man. I don't think
Speaker 1: that would That's not where I was going with that.
Speaker 1: I've always wondered about that double standard is there's not
Speaker 1: been women named after the mom. Totally agree that. My
Speaker 1: older brother is Edward George Wessling the third. Any you know, Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: so if you have a like as I've been plotting
Speaker 1: out your life for the past three or four years,
Speaker 1: somebody has to um. Engaged last spring, nailed that, married
Speaker 1: this spring, nailed that you will have a child um
Speaker 1: by June of you can put that in the books. Um,
Speaker 1: there will be no long honeymoon period. Chris, And guess
Speaker 1: what it's not West is called but West is all
Speaker 1: right with it, but it ain't. West is called and Jess,
Speaker 1: you know, Princess and Sierra both options. You know my
Speaker 1: feelings on this. We fought wars to get rid of
Speaker 1: these people who call themselves princesses and queens and kings.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, let's get into it. Tiger Woods.
Speaker 1: As as our friend Mike Arico said, one of the
Speaker 1: greatest comebacks in the history of American sports. The man
Speaker 1: that had back surgeries, personal trials and tribulations all that, uh,
Speaker 1: created some personal trials and tribulations for others as well.
Speaker 1: Just thrown it out there. Absolutely, that's fair. But to
Speaker 1: go over a decade without a title and and then
Speaker 1: to come all the way back and win the biggest
Speaker 1: tournament golf, big deal. So that got us thinking, who
Speaker 1: is in line to be a comeback kid in twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen in the NFL Mark get us gone, well, I
Speaker 1: mean if some of these just when you look at
Speaker 1: these lists are raging ly obvious. So I will start
Speaker 1: with just to get it out of the way to me,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppola, because you're checking the box that a you're
Speaker 1: the quarterback, which typically a quarterback is if he's gonna
Speaker 1: if someone's gonna seurge like Andrew Luck did, you're gonna
Speaker 1: win this award if the inside linebacker is gonna have
Speaker 1: a less of a chance to do so, as we
Speaker 1: will never be watching him play for the most part
Speaker 1: with naked eyes. Jimmy g though a team that also
Speaker 1: could boost its win total or double it. They've got
Speaker 1: other guys that were injured coming back. You love the coach,
Speaker 1: and you'd hope that if they don't get it going
Speaker 1: this year, there could be changes. I think that to
Speaker 1: me is the leading guy in the clubhouse, unless you
Speaker 1: believe that Jason Witten is going to go from television
Speaker 1: back to some sort of on field raging one catch campaign,
Speaker 1: which will never happen in human life. Wait, did you
Speaker 1: just jump to another one? I just threw out one.
Speaker 1: I don't believe in Jason Witten that will never happen.
Speaker 1: All right, let's I'm not convinced to finish the season. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of with you on that one. In fact,
Speaker 1: I still think that was a bit of a golden
Speaker 1: parachute that the Cowboys gave j to get out of
Speaker 1: the get out of the broadcasting job without taking mortar fire.
Speaker 1: But let's Jimmy g Um counterpoint, what is he coming
Speaker 1: back from. He still hasn't really had a full NFL season.
Speaker 1: He's still kind of a guy trying to establish himself
Speaker 1: in a way. Well, my counterpoint to that is that
Speaker 1: there is no more nebulous award out there that whatever
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers had one comeback player of the Year. If
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken for simply playing marginally better than did
Speaker 1: the year about the award, because we we all agree
Speaker 1: that I do think, I do you think? Because number one,
Speaker 1: he was already anointed the starter, he was given a
Speaker 1: massive contract. There's no question about his sort of origin
Speaker 1: story as being the anchor of the forty niners. That
Speaker 1: you have a major knee injury, which a lot of
Speaker 1: times you have to wait maybe till next till two
Speaker 1: seasons from now to find out where we are with
Speaker 1: Jimmy g But if he comes back and performs really well,
Speaker 1: does sort of some to Shaun Watson type part two
Speaker 1: or Andrew Luck. To me, it's a home run. Well,
Speaker 1: I think with Tiger Woods, it's not just the self
Speaker 1: destructiveness that put him in that hole. It was career
Speaker 1: threatening and injuries that were so bad that a lot
Speaker 1: of people who followed golf thought he would never be
Speaker 1: even relevant again. I think if you look back two
Speaker 1: years ago, he was ranked one thousand in the world
Speaker 1: and Gulf somebody who had a career threatening injury. Travis
Speaker 1: Frederick the Cowboys center, coming back from Guion Barr syndrome,
Speaker 1: and the early word right now is the Cowboys expect
Speaker 1: him to be back and to be starting at center
Speaker 1: and all pro type of player. This is a guy.
Speaker 1: If you're looking for a story, like a tire Woods
Speaker 1: type of story to get people this rally around Travis Frederick.
Speaker 1: You know what I love about that too, is he's
Speaker 1: going to have it. Helps a lot of this is
Speaker 1: it's not players not campaigning for it, but your team
Speaker 1: needs to be part of that story. You've got the
Speaker 1: biggest mouth in the South, and Jimmy John Jimmy Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Jimmy Hart, Jerry Jones probably on his radio show
Speaker 1: trumpeting this every week with a megaphone. Yeah on the back.
Speaker 1: If you're on the Titans, we'd never know about this story.
Speaker 1: I give you a million dollars all both of you.
Speaker 1: If Erica knows who Jimmy the Mouth of the South
Speaker 1: heart is yeah, I have no idea. Brett the hit
Speaker 1: Man and jim the Anvil. Yeah. One of the great
Speaker 1: wrestling valet slash managers of his era. Wrestling manager, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: one of the great ones. Bobby the Brain, Heenan and Slick.
Speaker 1: He was very much He's thirty pounds bush you guys.
Speaker 1: I was single for many of my tea years, in
Speaker 1: fact all of them. Um all right, um, I'll throw
Speaker 1: it out there. I'm a little nervous about this one
Speaker 1: because I've been pounding to the table that I think
Speaker 1: that Carson Wentz is gonna come back huge and strong
Speaker 1: for the Eagles in twenty nineteen, and I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: not wavering on that, but I will mentioned that went
Speaker 1: spoke today and acknowledge that he's not healthy yet, that
Speaker 1: the back injury that wiped out the end of the
Speaker 1: season is not healed. He had this to say, it's
Speaker 1: still getting air. Um so is that going to affect
Speaker 1: him going forward? He hopes to be ready for O
Speaker 1: t A s um So, he's not cleared yet, So
Speaker 1: that's something to keep an eye on. In the back.
Speaker 1: Like with Tiger Woods, is one of the worst injuries
Speaker 1: a pro athlete could have, So you hope that it's
Speaker 1: not something that's gonna haunt him. But I think everything
Speaker 1: else is set up really well for WinCE. If he
Speaker 1: can get himself to full health. He's a guy that
Speaker 1: has a lot to prove after essentially what was a
Speaker 1: lost year, and not only a lost year in uh
Speaker 1: in sen it was his year. It was his it
Speaker 1: was his moment in the sun. He was the m
Speaker 1: v P favorite, the leader in the clubhouse entering December
Speaker 1: when he hurt his knee, and then he watched another man,
Speaker 1: um win a super Bowl with his team. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think. I just watched The Batman with my sons
Speaker 1: for the first time. Great movie. Jack Nicholson has a
Speaker 1: great line to Bruce Wayne when he shoots him. He
Speaker 1: says something like, mess with another man's rhubarb or something
Speaker 1: like that. That's what That's what Carson Wentz Yeah with
Speaker 1: Nick Foles after he won the Super Bowl. Um, but
Speaker 1: let's watch, Let's watch where Wentz is physically. But if
Speaker 1: he can be get back, there's there's skill, talent around him,
Speaker 1: good coaching staff, a division that's there for the taking.
Speaker 1: I think Wentz could have a big comeback year if
Speaker 1: his body allows it. Have you Dan Hans has ever
Speaker 1: had rhubarb? No, And I don't even really know what
Speaker 1: it is. It's got to be a fruit or a vengeable.
Speaker 1: It's a vegetable from the ground. If I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: it's a cultivated plant. It's a a lot of long words.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get into it. But um, yeah, I
Speaker 1: have never had ruber, nor have I but people used
Speaker 1: to make pies out of it. Uh, let's yes, I
Speaker 1: think it's over. I think it's over now. Rubb had
Speaker 1: its moment. Uh, Mark, take us around the horn one
Speaker 1: more time unless you want to get some Jason Witten show.
Speaker 1: Do I recover from that rubarb chalk? Um? I think
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas is someone out there that obviously you check
Speaker 1: the injury box. You're in a new place. I feel
Speaker 1: like safety with the Ravens is gonna get a lot
Speaker 1: of pub You're gonna be highlighted on every prime time
Speaker 1: event that the Ravens are part of. And if you
Speaker 1: have a couple, let's say you have like a nice
Speaker 1: pick six and maybe a late season interception that vaults
Speaker 1: Baltimore into the final wild card spot. You've done it,
Speaker 1: you might be you might be the guy they pick
Speaker 1: if no quarterback shines like Comeback Player of the Year award.
Speaker 1: I don't know the award. We're just telling guys that
Speaker 1: we think are gonna have nice comeback years. We're not
Speaker 1: the award awards, well, I think or then in that case,
Speaker 1: that's that's a much easier sell. Earl Thomas is totally
Speaker 1: set up to play way more games on for a
Speaker 1: team that's, you know, the center of attention and he's
Speaker 1: the center of the defense. Good pick, can't I can't
Speaker 1: say it's not a good pick. I don't feel like
Speaker 1: I feel like that landed like where they major thud
Speaker 1: inside the studio. But I don't know. I don't quite
Speaker 1: know why. It's certainly a good pick. This is a
Speaker 1: future Hall of Famer potentially coming back from season ending
Speaker 1: injury on a new team looking to make a big way.
Speaker 1: I have a juice here. One for the next go round. Well,
Speaker 1: you're only doing two rounds? Do you want to throw
Speaker 1: them out? Hey? How about how about this? All right,
Speaker 1: let me just let's first do this. How about lightning round?
Speaker 1: Let's not take it out of the show. But everyone
Speaker 1: forget about nol Thomas one. It never happened here. Mark
Speaker 1: one more time around the horn. How about this, if
Speaker 1: the trade happens and you're coming off a really, really
Speaker 1: shaking he's got to come back from near a topic
Speaker 1: I do. How about Josh Rosen, Let's say he landed
Speaker 1: somewhere else nice here two, because I forgive us something
Speaker 1: that you on wellt the award side of it, but
Speaker 1: it has a great narrative to or what rookie has
Speaker 1: been hassled and tossed around the way that Josh Rosen has.
Speaker 1: If he winds up somewhere else, and especially if the
Speaker 1: Cardinals still sort of stink, kind of stick it in
Speaker 1: their side, and Josh Rosen goes somewhere else and plays
Speaker 1: up to par with the way that we have seen
Speaker 1: him on certain throws in certain games, and you get
Speaker 1: a much better version behind an actually functioning offensive line.
Speaker 1: That's a comeback player that you're right there. I like
Speaker 1: that one. I also I don't necessarily believe in it.
Speaker 1: I know I don't need you to. We can't. We
Speaker 1: can't get everything done. He got I mean, listen, I
Speaker 1: gave my speech to Josh a few weeks ago. It's
Speaker 1: not his fault, but what how this all turned out?
Speaker 1: But I'm also not quite ready to say, yeah, just
Speaker 1: put him in a good spot and he's gonna be
Speaker 1: a Okay. It would be a great cutback story if
Speaker 1: he got yeah I mean hard or somewhere. And I'm
Speaker 1: presuming that he does do that. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: that will happen in this exercise. I love it. By
Speaker 1: the way, it's never rubbed another man's ruebarb, the joker
Speaker 1: says after he shoots Bruce Wayne in the chest, feels
Speaker 1: like common sense? Is it a rue barb? Sort of
Speaker 1: like a fight? Isn't that another word for like a
Speaker 1: Donning Brook? I don't know. It will be the third
Speaker 1: thing we're looking at anyway. Alright, Wes, alright, I'm about
Speaker 1: to try to pull off a three part answer, if
Speaker 1: you will let me go ahead. Well, first I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: what Tiger, you want to look at the personal demons angle.
Speaker 1: There has to be more to the story than just
Speaker 1: a comeback like what put you? Josh Gordon would be
Speaker 1: a good one with the personal demons. But then I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: what about Trent Richardson? Yeah, stay well, there's a lot
Speaker 1: on the line in the studio with him. But then
Speaker 1: the third part is both of these guys failures for
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns and who would be the ultimate comeback
Speaker 1: kids in a Tiger would sense the Cleveland Browns went
Speaker 1: in the super Bowl, that would be completion of the
Speaker 1: comeback of all time. They can go all the way.
Speaker 1: Imagine that, Mark, from a sports world angle, it would
Speaker 1: be one of the biggest events in season. It would
Speaker 1: be one of the biggest turnarounds of all time. You've
Speaker 1: often said, Mark that an NFL story gets truly big
Speaker 1: when our moms are interested, when people who don't even
Speaker 1: follow the sports start to ask questions and want, you know,
Speaker 1: hone in on this this topic in the Cleveland Browns,
Speaker 1: would people interested? I like that. I like that too.
Speaker 1: I like that to imagine a scenario. I also like
Speaker 1: that where the Browns are in Miami for the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: not two years from now, and not five years from now,
Speaker 1: this upcoming februwhere well, I do want to make it
Speaker 1: clear that I've mentioned many times if that were to happen,
Speaker 1: I am not not any work within forty eight hours
Speaker 1: of the game before or after. Do you think just
Speaker 1: because you say that it matters. No, I think it's
Speaker 1: I will. I will take total control. We have that scenario.
Speaker 1: We had this conversation a few weeks ago, and and
Speaker 1: I don't know if you landed in the same boat
Speaker 1: as me, but where I came down. If the Jets
Speaker 1: ever were in the Super Bowl, I would do a
Speaker 1: phone or post game if they want, happily do that.
Speaker 1: But that's the extent of my work. I'm not gonna like,
Speaker 1: let's sit there and go through. Oh. Now, in the
Speaker 1: third quarter, so and so had a four yard rush
Speaker 1: that resulted in third and three. No, that is not
Speaker 1: on the bus. Yeah, but you guys have to plan
Speaker 1: for it. So we all get to go and be
Speaker 1: in there and get our tickets and stuff and then
Speaker 1: just don't show up, you know what I mean. If
Speaker 1: you're saying outwardly that you're not going to do it,
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, we're not at the game,
Speaker 1: right So you gotta we gotta play the cards the
Speaker 1: right way. It's the Jets or the Browns are in
Speaker 1: the super correct devious woman, You've got to play the game.
Speaker 1: You know. Frew Barb is a fight or a name
Speaker 1: for a fight. By the way, there you go. This
Speaker 1: is right. It's like, don't rub another man's fight. I
Speaker 1: don't think it meant that from the joker. Okay. Um, Now,
Speaker 1: an obvious one is Aaron Rodgers. But I will not
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm just gonna say I really do believe
Speaker 1: in Aaron Rodgers. And I think he is not the
Speaker 1: ultimate competitor, because there can only be one. But he
Speaker 1: is an amazing competitor himself, I think, and I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna see an angry Aaron Rodgers looking to vindicate
Speaker 1: himself from all these arrows that Tom Brady tried harder
Speaker 1: because of deflate. Yes it will be that. Yes, I
Speaker 1: get that. Can do whatever they want with these storylines.
Speaker 1: And he wasn't the best of all time, but he
Speaker 1: threw touchdowns and two interceptions over sixteen start slusher. What
Speaker 1: is he coming back from? No, you're thinking about this
Speaker 1: all wrong. This is not the award. This is I
Speaker 1: get it, But what's the award? Broke, get rid of
Speaker 1: the award. It's coming back, somebody. He's coming back from
Speaker 1: getting his coach fired. He's coming back everybody thinking that
Speaker 1: he's not the best quarterback anymore. I mean held onto
Speaker 1: the ball too long in the pocket? Isis he's that
Speaker 1: is what West is saying, is everything he's coming back from.
Speaker 1: No longer we're not right now, we're not talking about
Speaker 1: Aaron Who is he the goat? Now it's Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 1: Is he the problem? What happened with the Packers? His
Speaker 1: I think his goal is going to change the narrative
Speaker 1: around the Packers. And maybe he did learn from this.
Speaker 1: He called it a good week last week and and
Speaker 1: maybe that will point the whole organization in a more
Speaker 1: positive direction. I do not put it against I don't
Speaker 1: know put it past him. I think he's that great. Um,
Speaker 1: So Aaron Rodgers is someone I believe in. And um
Speaker 1: this one's t b A And I'll go out on
Speaker 1: this one h because it depends on what happens at
Speaker 1: the draft. The Arizona Cardinals, as we talked about, hurting
Speaker 1: so many positions, um that it makes it hard to
Speaker 1: be a skill player in that lineup. But David Johnson
Speaker 1: was a raging talent who broke out on the scene
Speaker 1: and became immediately a top five, top ten NFL player,
Speaker 1: and now it's kind of disappeared the last two years.
Speaker 1: If they could ever, they got the coach out of
Speaker 1: their Wilkes, who was a bad fit there for the
Speaker 1: offense and the defense, so they got an offensive minded
Speaker 1: coach in there if they could. If they ever did
Speaker 1: pull the trigger, either on a trade that allowed them
Speaker 1: to beef up their offensive line um for instance, or
Speaker 1: if they took Kyler Murray and Murray was a badass
Speaker 1: like people think he can be, that would obviously make
Speaker 1: things a lot easier for the running back. I think
Speaker 1: David Johnson has a chance to get back to David
Speaker 1: Johnson this year, and he's a guy to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on. But some things have to work and fall
Speaker 1: the place. Well. I would say what's already positive there
Speaker 1: is that their offensive line is much improved, just from
Speaker 1: trading for Marcus Gilbert, signing j R. Sweezy, getting DJ
Speaker 1: Humphries and A. J. Shipley and Justin Pu back healthy.
Speaker 1: They were running out guys in the last month and
Speaker 1: a half of the season who will not even play
Speaker 1: in this league next year. They they they're starters, were
Speaker 1: guys who should have been in the A A F.
Speaker 1: That's not a good thing, no, So he I think
Speaker 1: you'll see him get better and it's hard to it's
Speaker 1: hard to pinpoint just how much he suffered from bad
Speaker 1: coaching last year too. So I mean, I mean, this guy.
Speaker 1: If you look at the tape of his pre wrist
Speaker 1: injury seasons, they were talking about him as a Hall
Speaker 1: of famer, the coaches, they're an all timer type player,
Speaker 1: and his numbers were backing it up. And then the
Speaker 1: injury and then he went into the ABYSS last year
Speaker 1: under Wilkes. So we'll see how he comes as everybody else,
Speaker 1: have anyone we want to throw out before we end
Speaker 1: this assignment. This I would hope. I would just say,
Speaker 1: let me hope that this is this guy maybe two thousand,
Speaker 1: twenty or twenty one, Ryan Jesus, that would be a
Speaker 1: great comeback story, jumping up on boxes now and doing
Speaker 1: things that you would never have thought he would have
Speaker 1: done coming back from a devastating back injury. That would
Speaker 1: be one of the ultimate comeback stars. Can I sell
Speaker 1: you on a player that produced zero statistics last year?
Speaker 1: Is this for the trophy or just like a comeback type?
Speaker 1: He's obviously coming back. He's coming back to do something
Speaker 1: quite notable. His name is Levy on Bell. Maybe you
Speaker 1: don't like why he was gone but a lot of
Speaker 1: his fellow peers, his fellow running backs, love what he did,
Speaker 1: and he's going to go from zero to sixty. That's
Speaker 1: let's can we bring the trophy back into the conversation
Speaker 1: now for a second. Is that okay? Yes? Could you
Speaker 1: give him no comeback Play of the Year award when
Speaker 1: he opted not to play? I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: you have a hard time garnering that people are gonna
Speaker 1: galvanize behind that one. It is the other end of
Speaker 1: the spectrum from Ryan Chazier. Yes, um, alright, good say,
Speaker 1: good talk, Ricky, have anything else to add? I just like,
Speaker 1: don't understand the Tiger Woods narrative, like the greatest comeback
Speaker 1: in sports history, Like what because he's stopped and he
Speaker 1: got a d u I two years ago and he
Speaker 1: cheated with his wife with thirty women, and it's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, he overcame at all and hit this
Speaker 1: little fall in the hole, Like good for him. I'm
Speaker 1: so over this bs all over like the greatest comeback
Speaker 1: in sports history. It's like, oh my god. First of all, well,
Speaker 1: let's unpack this one. But I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people agree with you. I would say I've been turned
Speaker 1: off by golf fans because this has been going on
Speaker 1: for a few years where they just welcome him back
Speaker 1: with open arms and everybody's cheering for him. I have
Speaker 1: very conflicted feelings about him. But on the other hand,
Speaker 1: it wasn't all self imposed. The back injuries were definitely
Speaker 1: not self imposed, Like people didn't think he'd ever athletically
Speaker 1: be able to do any of this again. And I
Speaker 1: try to separate that, but also whether your injuries are
Speaker 1: self imposed or not, anyone to get off the canvas
Speaker 1: when you've been knocked down in life, because the other
Speaker 1: answer is just let yourself stay down, get it, stay
Speaker 1: addicted to drugs, you know, and he was addicted to pills,
Speaker 1: stay stay down. But he didn't stay down. He got
Speaker 1: back up. And whether it was self imposed or not,
Speaker 1: to me, that's worth But the problem I would have
Speaker 1: with like the waste of time looking on Twitter on
Speaker 1: a Sunday during this kind of an event and the
Speaker 1: gushing is that no one just consistently said what you
Speaker 1: just said about it, like I don't i Twitter. Yes,
Speaker 1: a total personal fall from grace based off your own decisions,
Speaker 1: like to be touted as this like hero coming back
Speaker 1: from war, that like has is nothing but a shiny
Speaker 1: dance card. I don't buy into it. I think, well,
Speaker 1: there's also if you look at it in that vacuum. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's not like this heroic comeback journey, but if you
Speaker 1: treated that one. But if you're a sports fan that
Speaker 1: goes back and you're old enough, you understand that Tiger
Speaker 1: Woods was Babe Ruth, he was Muhammad Ali, he was
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's his sport, there was no one like him.
Speaker 1: He was dominant at a level that blew people's mind.
Speaker 1: This man want a major by fifteen strokes once like
Speaker 1: this is. He was something that you'll see once every
Speaker 1: one hundred years. So there's a level in any sport,
Speaker 1: and golf apparently is no different. There's the level of nostalgia.
Speaker 1: So when he makes his way back that goose is people,
Speaker 1: gets people excited, and it gives golf as a sport
Speaker 1: a major shot in the arm. I totally understand why
Speaker 1: people say we're saying what they were saying yesterday, because
Speaker 1: he was that special as a player at his apex
Speaker 1: so and he goes into the wilderness for a decade
Speaker 1: and then re emerges. As sports fans, we love that
Speaker 1: from a sheer sports angle. Yes, I mean I watched
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods his first ever pro event, and I don't
Speaker 1: feel moved the way that you just described. But I'm
Speaker 1: not a golf guy. But secondly, like the back injuries, yes,
Speaker 1: some of the other stuff, like I also want to
Speaker 1: give him a Presidential Medal of Freedom. Well that's what
Speaker 1: that's actually happening now, So that's what I mean. There's
Speaker 1: their limits to it. But there's a part of this
Speaker 1: story that's as old as is the prodigal son wasting talent.
Speaker 1: And he could have wasted his talent, and some people
Speaker 1: could argue that for years he did, but he returned
Speaker 1: and not only to set himself right, but to bring
Speaker 1: joy to other people by using his talent. And to me,
Speaker 1: that is worth applauding from all this everything that's happened
Speaker 1: so as human not a human story to human interest, Ricky,
Speaker 1: does a change anything about how you feel after that conversation.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's great that he came back
Speaker 1: like athletically and the back injuries and all that, but
Speaker 1: it's it's a human interest piece. Look, he took all
Speaker 1: those thirty women and turned it into ten years later
Speaker 1: winning them like get off mine. I totally get where
Speaker 1: you come from. I absolutely understand that what Hi horse,
Speaker 1: I understand to me he is not the most sympathetic
Speaker 1: athletes at all. He never has been. Even before all
Speaker 1: of that I did, I never found him to be
Speaker 1: a sympathetic persona. UM, incredible conversation. Guys killed it. We'll
Speaker 1: be back on Wednesday with our Twitter show ten thirty
Speaker 1: Civic one thirty Eastern, uh, maybe five thirty in England.
Speaker 1: Still no one. No one's told me I'm wrong or right,
Speaker 1: so I'll continue to say that and um, and then
Speaker 1: on Thursday we'll be back with another show. I believe
Speaker 1: Connie Fox will be involved. I believe we might be
Speaker 1: calling some general managers in the National Football League, so
Speaker 1: make sure you tune in for that. All right, let's go, Stan.
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