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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast refuses to sign the franchise

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Speaker 1: to Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis, and I'm joined in a

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Speaker 1: room filled with some heroes, Mark Sessler and Chris Westling.

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Speaker 1: What's up, boys, Heyden? Where's Greg? What's his deal? You

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Speaker 1: know how we've been talking to the last few weeks.

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Speaker 1: How God, this would be a great time to get away.

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Speaker 1: It's a little kind of a strangely quiet time. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's actually some some things going on in the NFL

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Speaker 1: right now. Um, but Greg followed the path of what

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Speaker 1: we were laying out last week. We should get away.

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Speaker 1: He got away. He's taking some time with the family.

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Speaker 1: Can't really get on him for it. No, I think

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Speaker 1: it's a smart move. We it was a very realistic plan,

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Speaker 1: and someone jumped on it as they should have. Right,

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Speaker 1: somebody sprinted toward the door door. It was Greg leaving

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Speaker 1: the Three Amigos. That's what I call us. Wait, last

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Speaker 1: time I wasn't here, you called yourselves the Three Amigos.

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Speaker 1: Greg called it like the Ultimate Dad movie or something.

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Speaker 1: He classic three Amigos talk right here. Um, how's over?

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Speaker 1: But his weekend? Good? Totally nondescript. Okay, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if that's good or bad. It's like, I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: not bad. It's not good either. Script watched about twelve

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Speaker 1: minutes of the Masters? Did you right? Watch the right

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Speaker 1: twelve minutes? Yes? I did? Yes, that was that was

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Speaker 1: a great sports event, and it's it's going to be

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Speaker 1: uh tied into our segment later today, come back kids

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Speaker 1: of the NFL in nineteen I I would never would

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Speaker 1: classify myself as a golf fan, but the whole Tiger

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Speaker 1: point where when I had to go to Lorenzo's birthday

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Speaker 1: Jack's friend from school. Yeah, I was legitimately annoyed and

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Speaker 1: went as far as how could I watch this online?

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Speaker 1: I said on Twitter? And then I found out, Hey,

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Speaker 1: there's a Master's app. So who's the dad at the

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Speaker 1: Discovery Cube watching the last three holes of the Masters?

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Speaker 1: That's a credit to Tiger Woods. You couldn't have been

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Speaker 1: the only dad, right, this is Los Angeles. Well, men,

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Speaker 1: A lot of men here don't are traditional men in

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Speaker 1: the masculine sense. So I there, I was the only

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Speaker 1: minor humble bragg But I mean, I don't I'm not

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Speaker 1: a huge fan of parents, um who you know, who it's?

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Speaker 1: Who knows who's you know, making a decision in the

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Speaker 1: Lorenzo family parental units of the very nice. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: they're very nice, that's not the issue. But like, you

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Speaker 1: don't schedule arbitrary children's um events during major sporting events

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Speaker 1: and then expect the whether it's the wife or the husband,

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Speaker 1: going to these things in some sort of happy, joyous mode. No,

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Speaker 1: it's quite annoying, Absolutely true, Mark, Am I wrong? I

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Speaker 1: feel like you're just you're just sort of saying that

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Speaker 1: you agree, honestly. You know what I think it is

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Speaker 1: once you get to a certain age and you have

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Speaker 1: twilight zone and there's just mean, yeah, you can't get

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Speaker 1: mad about it as long as you're not doing it.

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Speaker 1: Like there's a kid in Jack's class that's having his

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Speaker 1: birthday party on Easter Sundays, Like, what what are we doing?

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Speaker 1: You're expecting us to go to your child's party. We

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Speaker 1: don't want to see that. I like because that's a

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Speaker 1: power move against who jesus well, that's a huge power

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Speaker 1: move if that's what he's he or she said parent

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Speaker 1: is doing. Let's save it for the theology podcast. So yes,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get into players figures uh in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: who we predict or could see a comeback in twenty nineteen. Um,

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Speaker 1: But first let's get to Oh, how are you Ricky doing? Well? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was your weekend. You watch the Masters? I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: I really we're not gonna hold that against Did you

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Speaker 1: watch the Game of Thrones? Of course I did. I

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Speaker 1: was so exciting. It feels as a guy I'm a

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Speaker 1: pop pop culture guy not being connected to Game of Throne.

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Speaker 1: You're out. I was out three years ago, and it feels, um,

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Speaker 1: I really do have fomo for real? You should. You

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Speaker 1: waited two years like this is so cool. But you

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Speaker 1: know what, the reason I stopped watching because it was

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Speaker 1: like just chill, okay, like just just chill bro okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe i'll quote unquote binge watch, let's this and this

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Speaker 1: here it is, Woods has two feet to win the Masters.

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Speaker 1: It really quiets down. Tiger back behind the ball Woods.

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Speaker 1: He has done it. Tiger is back. Tiger is back

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Speaker 1: on top. Tiger Woods the two thousand nineteen Masters Champions,

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Speaker 1: one of the great comeback stories in American sports history.

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Speaker 1: Masters number five, make You're number fifty and Augusta National

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Speaker 1: roars like never before, a reminder that Mike Tariko is

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Speaker 1: know how to handle the moment. When to talk, when

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Speaker 1: to shut up. It's harder than it sounds. I was

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Speaker 1: glad to hear Tarko instead of Jim Nance on on

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Speaker 1: this call. Right here. Nance did the thing where he

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Speaker 1: didn't talk for two minutes, which is almost like a sneaky, um,

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Speaker 1: articles written like Jim NaN's new When to say nothing

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Speaker 1: sneaky alright, a lot of golf talk all right here

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Speaker 1: we go let's get into the news. Back to football.

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Speaker 1: You know what regulars stay in right away, Wilson deadline

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Speaker 1: watch simer trade me. I'm not gonna play. I will

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Speaker 1: go Hawks. Here it is April fift yet everything and

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Speaker 1: that was accurate. Oh yeah, I'm not gonna play. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you will ends everything with go Hawks. That's what he does.

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Speaker 1: Short but sweet. In fact, that was Russell Wilson. We

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Speaker 1: for our podcast. That was cool, speaking which um Andrews

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Speaker 1: Ciciliano on live television today derided me angrily for mispronouncing Sierra. Well,

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Speaker 1: because you angrily derided Chris West. Well, you you took

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Speaker 1: I'm all right bro. Then they cut your mic anyway, So,

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, where are we at? April fift is the

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Speaker 1: news as of this taping of a new deal. Rap

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Speaker 1: Sheet reported that Mark Rogers, Wilson's agent, has been on

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Speaker 1: the deadline moving blooming excuse me not moving. But Wilson

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Speaker 1: I'd rather see it done in April than in October,

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Speaker 1: I would it. Though, if you're Russell Wilson, there is

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Speaker 1: So it's not just that he's a baseball agent. You're

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Speaker 1: is still a massive number for the idea that this

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Speaker 1: team is invested in potentially trading away their quarterback for

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Speaker 1: Carler Murray. How concede that I've probably been wrong about this,

431
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Speaker 1: but my thought on this all along is put yourself

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Speaker 1: in the general manager shoes and from the beginning, if

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Speaker 1: there's even a three percent chance that you think you

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Speaker 1: can get the Raiders to give up some of their

435
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Speaker 1: treasure chest of draft picks for that number one pick,

436
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Speaker 1: that had to be your priority this offseason. Posesising yourself

437
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Speaker 1: by your quotes, by any moves you're gonna do to

438
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Speaker 1: try to dupe the Raiders into overpaying for that number

439
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Speaker 1: one pick. And Peter King has said Monday morning, there

440
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Speaker 1: is not unanimity inside the Cardinals building take regarding whether

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Speaker 1: they'll take Kyler Murray or not. And and if you

442
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Speaker 1: think back till last year, at this time, the question

443
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Speaker 1: was whether the Browns are gonna take Josh Allen or

444
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Speaker 1: Sam Donald at number one. So we're still ten days

445
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Speaker 1: away and it's all up in there. Yeah, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: And Mark to Mark's point about, you know, an advanced

447
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Speaker 1: analytics how they study where the Cardinals at in that

448
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Speaker 1: Peter King article, Uh, the in the two thousand Atheen

449
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Speaker 1: sees and the Cardinals only have two players from their

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Speaker 1: starting twenty two rated in the top fifteen in the

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Speaker 1: league at their positions. So yes, a team with a

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Speaker 1: lot of needs. And if there was one organization in

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Speaker 1: football that had all those picks that you would hope

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Speaker 1: would be in this type of scenario where they would

455
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Speaker 1: go nuts and pull off a big trade, it's got

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Speaker 1: to be the Raiders, right Like, so I totally don't

457
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Speaker 1: rule it out, but I still think Kyler Murray goes

458
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Speaker 1: first overall. I guess I'm here's the thing I like that.

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Speaker 1: I think Wes you ailed at that from the start.

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Speaker 1: There's not been one unified vision of what they're gonna

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Speaker 1: do at quarterback, especially when you're g M. There's a

462
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Speaker 1: lot of pride wrapped up in this picked Josh Rosen

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Speaker 1: along with ownerships, you know, willingness last year less than

464
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Speaker 1: a year ago. But who does it meant? Doesn't matter

465
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Speaker 1: more if Cime wants this quarterback or if Cliff Kingsbury,

466
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Speaker 1: do you start this relationship with clings kick Cliff Kingsbury

467
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Speaker 1: when you have the chance to get the quarterback he

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Speaker 1: wants and go into the direction. It just feels like

469
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Speaker 1: a dubious way to to open chapter one. Let's move on.

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Speaker 1: Chris Hogan got a job. The Panthers announced Friday they

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Speaker 1: signed the wide receiver to a one year deal. Hogan

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Speaker 1: spent the past three years with the Patriots, uh, never

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Speaker 1: really developing um chemistry necessary to foster a long term

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Speaker 1: home in New England with Tom Brady. But now he

475
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Speaker 1: joins a receiver group in Carolina that's pretty crowded DJ Moore, Curtis,

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Speaker 1: Samuel Tory, Smith, Gyus Wright, Rashad raw Us Uh and others.

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Speaker 1: So Chris Hogan's gonna have to earn playing time and snaps.

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Speaker 1: But we will see what happens. Hogan also had this

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Speaker 1: quote was Tom was great, He demanded a lot and

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Speaker 1: was an ultimate competitor. From what I hear and just

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Speaker 1: from watching cam he's the ultimate competitor as well. Really

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Speaker 1: excited about the opportunity to play there. Callab me one

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Speaker 1: no I mean the Ultimate Warrior, where there multiple Ultimate warriors.

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Speaker 1: Ultimate means yeah, the ultimate player, shake those ropes. Ultimate

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Speaker 1: competitor And I get, by the way, that's absurd, Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: I can't stand the guy. I want him out of

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Speaker 1: my life forever. An unbelievable competitor. Cam Newton didn't even

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Speaker 1: fall on a fumble in the Super Bowl down to

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Speaker 1: score and I don't want to hear it. And you

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Speaker 1: can throw it back. Oh, that's old news, that's tired.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's lame that you bring that up. Tell

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Speaker 1: me name one true ultimate you said, ultimate competitor that

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Speaker 1: does not get down on the turf for that A

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Speaker 1: ball that's still sticks in my craw Yeah. But if

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Speaker 1: you were hired as the Carolina Panthers dot com lead writer,

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Speaker 1: you would not be allowed to say anything you just said.

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Speaker 1: He's part of that. I don't even know if I'm

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Speaker 1: allowed to say on this podcast. Do people seem a

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Speaker 1: little sensitive? Gonna slip through? I think we'll be okay.

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Speaker 1: I approve of your semantical nick nitpicking Ultimate Competitor, Cam Newton?

501
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Speaker 1: Are you serious? Watch the tape. Also, Chris Hogan has

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Speaker 1: before he has a logo Ris Hogan has a logo.

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Speaker 1: I went on his Twitter page after he signed this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Not exactly Jerry West, the man has a logo where

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Speaker 1: what is the limit? What is the limit? What do

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Speaker 1: you need? What is the where's the bar? At what

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Speaker 1: point do you have a logo? Because I think we

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Speaker 1: found the lowest point. And I'm not trying to get

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Speaker 1: on this guy too hard. Chris Hogan. He seems like

510
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Speaker 1: a nice guy. Remember him from Hard Knocks, you know,

511
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Speaker 1: and he's trying to make it with the Dolphins years ago.

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Speaker 1: Seven always no seven eleven seven eleven. Oh my bad. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's fine, wrong fraction, that's fine, we're even now after

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Speaker 1: the well, I want to check one thing out and

515
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Speaker 1: now you can continue. But like his logo essentially is

516
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Speaker 1: the fifteen on his jersey turned into a poor looking

517
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Speaker 1: g and this this logan was only really amantheo, I

518
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Speaker 1: want to see if there's anyone with the number fift

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Speaker 1: Can you check on that? While I sat out the

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Speaker 1: next news, I did because Chris Hogan is not the Again,

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Speaker 1: not all due respect to Chris Hogan, He's not a

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Speaker 1: guy that walks in the locker room and says, give

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Speaker 1: me my number, you know, you know, I'm a fourteen

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Speaker 1: time pro bowler. Give me my number. It's not happening

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Speaker 1: with Chris Hogan. I am still looking that up. It's

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Speaker 1: taking me finally. Sean McVeigh, the Rams head coach, was

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Speaker 1: on the Rich Eyes and Show on Friday, and he

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Speaker 1: said that Todd Gurley his all Pro running back despite

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Speaker 1: the knee condition which haunted the Rams and Girle at

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Speaker 1: the end of last season. And we heard some you know, worrying, uh,

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Speaker 1: worrisome commentary about what the knee is going forward in

532
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Speaker 1: terms of its long term durability. Uh, and the thought

533
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Speaker 1: that maybe Girly isn't the guy to be the center

534
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Speaker 1: of the offense. Well, guess what they thinks he will be. Um,

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Speaker 1: you can expect Todd to be the focal point of

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Speaker 1: our offense again as we move forward. He's in a

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Speaker 1: good place, he's feeling good and and he's going to

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Speaker 1: continue to be a central part of our offense, you know,

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Speaker 1: going into the nineteen season. And I don't see that

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Speaker 1: changeing west my thought on that, and I'll let Mark

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Speaker 1: continue to do his research. I'll believe what I said.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say. You know what you learned going

543
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,239
Speaker 1: through perhaps maybe a bad breakup or something. Actions not words, right,

544
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,239
Speaker 1: Your words are cheap. At this point, the Rams told

545
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Speaker 1: us this guy was healthy, and then they promptly played C. J.

546
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Speaker 1: Anderson over him, which you don't do with the offensive

547
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Speaker 1: player of the year. I mean, to me, prove it.

548
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Speaker 1: Let's see where we are October one, not even week one,

549
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Speaker 1: a week two. Let's see how this season starts to

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Speaker 1: play out. Now we're gonna throw it to Mark Suster,

551
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Speaker 1: who has done his research. He's shaking his head. The

552
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Speaker 1: confidence is wavering potentially. I mean no, I mean, unless

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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of things can happen in these

554
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: months where they change some of these jersey designations. But

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Speaker 1: Rashad Ross, who some field could just flat out beat

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Speaker 1: out Chris Hogan for this role. It's wearing number fifteen.

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Speaker 1: According to online, that's always the worst case, well the

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Speaker 1: worst case scenarios if it's an established star. Obviously he's

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Speaker 1: an established a star right well, yes so, but he

560
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Speaker 1: is not only going to a new team. He's got

561
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Speaker 1: the logo, he's got the bumper stickers and the T shirts,

562
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Speaker 1: and he's Chris Hogans made a financial investment in this

563
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Speaker 1: Hogan fifteen logo. It's not gonna be easy to go

564
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Speaker 1: into the wide receiver's room and go up against the competitor.

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Speaker 1: Let's face it, that's how it works in football. You're competing.

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Speaker 1: You're trying to take that man's job and say, hey,

567
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Speaker 1: before this competition heats up, I need my all my logo,

568
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: merch all my logo swags still to be functional and relevant.

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Speaker 1: Can I have your number? In fact, you could go

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Speaker 1: as far as the saying Rashad Ross if he wants

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Speaker 1: to get in early, like shot to the chops on Hogan.

572
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: So let's go take a walk, or do you take

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Speaker 1: some sort of revenue revenue sharing plan off of all

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Speaker 1: the Hogan number fifteen shirts and shorts and winter I'm

575
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Speaker 1: just saying you've got to think strategically like a businessman.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's what's happening in the news. All right,

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Speaker 1: Did you have anything you wanted to rack? You hit

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Speaker 1: me up on Slack about something earlier. Yeah, I was

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Speaker 1: just gonna say that. Sierra was born Sierra Princess Harris

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Speaker 1: on October in Austin, Texas. So that is her birth name,

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Speaker 1: Sierra Princess Harris. Yes, and then her and Russell Wilson's

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Speaker 1: um daughter's middle name is Princess as well. I like

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Speaker 1: that the woman being named after a older woman in

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Speaker 1: the family. They don't. You don't see that often and

585
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: that needs to be done more called a little baby

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Speaker 1: a woman. Well, I'm just saying, like, like, my mom's

587
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Speaker 1: name is Barbara. If I had been a daughter, why

588
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Speaker 1: not call me Barbara the second or Barbara Jr. For

589
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Speaker 1: even if it's a male. No, I mean if I

590
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: were if I were born female, or just call me

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Speaker 1: if call me Barbara as a man. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that would That's not where I was going with that.

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Speaker 1: I've always wondered about that double standard is there's not

594
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Speaker 1: been women named after the mom. Totally agree that. My

595
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Speaker 1: older brother is Edward George Wessling the third. Any you know, Yeah, Well,

596
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: so if you have a like as I've been plotting

597
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Speaker 1: out your life for the past three or four years,

598
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: somebody has to um. Engaged last spring, nailed that, married

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00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: this spring, nailed that you will have a child um

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Speaker 1: by June of you can put that in the books. Um,

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Speaker 1: there will be no long honeymoon period. Chris, And guess

602
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Speaker 1: what it's not West is called but West is all

603
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: right with it, but it ain't. West is called and Jess,

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Speaker 1: you know, Princess and Sierra both options. You know my

605
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: feelings on this. We fought wars to get rid of

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Speaker 1: these people who call themselves princesses and queens and kings.

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00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: All right, all right, let's get into it. Tiger Woods.

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Speaker 1: As as our friend Mike Arico said, one of the

609
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Speaker 1: greatest comebacks in the history of American sports. The man

610
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: that had back surgeries, personal trials and tribulations all that, uh,

611
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: created some personal trials and tribulations for others as well.

612
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: Just thrown it out there. Absolutely, that's fair. But to

613
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: go over a decade without a title and and then

614
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: to come all the way back and win the biggest

615
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: tournament golf, big deal. So that got us thinking, who

616
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Speaker 1: is in line to be a comeback kid in twenty

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Speaker 1: nineteen in the NFL Mark get us gone, well, I

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Speaker 1: mean if some of these just when you look at

619
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Speaker 1: these lists are raging ly obvious. So I will start

620
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Speaker 1: with just to get it out of the way to me,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppola, because you're checking the box that a you're

622
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Speaker 1: the quarterback, which typically a quarterback is if he's gonna

623
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Speaker 1: if someone's gonna seurge like Andrew Luck did, you're gonna

624
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: win this award if the inside linebacker is gonna have

625
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 1: a less of a chance to do so, as we

626
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: will never be watching him play for the most part

627
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: with naked eyes. Jimmy g though a team that also

628
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: could boost its win total or double it. They've got

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Speaker 1: other guys that were injured coming back. You love the coach,

630
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: and you'd hope that if they don't get it going

631
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Speaker 1: this year, there could be changes. I think that to

632
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: me is the leading guy in the clubhouse, unless you

633
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Speaker 1: believe that Jason Witten is going to go from television

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Speaker 1: back to some sort of on field raging one catch campaign,

635
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: which will never happen in human life. Wait, did you

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Speaker 1: just jump to another one? I just threw out one.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe in Jason Witten that will never happen.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's I'm not convinced to finish the season. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of with you on that one. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I still think that was a bit of a golden

641
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: parachute that the Cowboys gave j to get out of

642
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: the get out of the broadcasting job without taking mortar fire.

643
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: But let's Jimmy g Um counterpoint, what is he coming

644
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: back from. He still hasn't really had a full NFL season.

645
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: He's still kind of a guy trying to establish himself

646
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: in a way. Well, my counterpoint to that is that

647
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: there is no more nebulous award out there that whatever

648
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers had one comeback player of the Year. If

649
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken for simply playing marginally better than did

650
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: the year about the award, because we we all agree

651
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: that I do think, I do you think? Because number one,

652
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: he was already anointed the starter, he was given a

653
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: massive contract. There's no question about his sort of origin

654
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: story as being the anchor of the forty niners. That

655
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: you have a major knee injury, which a lot of

656
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: times you have to wait maybe till next till two

657
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: seasons from now to find out where we are with

658
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: Jimmy g But if he comes back and performs really well,

659
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: does sort of some to Shaun Watson type part two

660
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: or Andrew Luck. To me, it's a home run. Well,

661
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: I think with Tiger Woods, it's not just the self

662
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: destructiveness that put him in that hole. It was career

663
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: threatening and injuries that were so bad that a lot

664
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: of people who followed golf thought he would never be

665
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: even relevant again. I think if you look back two

666
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: years ago, he was ranked one thousand in the world

667
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: and Gulf somebody who had a career threatening injury. Travis

668
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 1: Frederick the Cowboys center, coming back from Guion Barr syndrome,

669
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: and the early word right now is the Cowboys expect

670
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: him to be back and to be starting at center

671
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 1: and all pro type of player. This is a guy.

672
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: If you're looking for a story, like a tire Woods

673
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: type of story to get people this rally around Travis Frederick.

674
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: You know what I love about that too, is he's

675
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: going to have it. Helps a lot of this is

676
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: it's not players not campaigning for it, but your team

677
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: needs to be part of that story. You've got the

678
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: biggest mouth in the South, and Jimmy John Jimmy Jerry Jones,

679
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: Jimmy Jimmy Hart, Jerry Jones probably on his radio show

680
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: trumpeting this every week with a megaphone. Yeah on the back.

681
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: If you're on the Titans, we'd never know about this story.

682
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: I give you a million dollars all both of you.

683
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: If Erica knows who Jimmy the Mouth of the South

684
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: heart is yeah, I have no idea. Brett the hit

685
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: Man and jim the Anvil. Yeah. One of the great

686
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: wrestling valet slash managers of his era. Wrestling manager, oh yeah,

687
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: one of the great ones. Bobby the Brain, Heenan and Slick.

688
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 1: He was very much He's thirty pounds bush you guys.

689
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: I was single for many of my tea years, in

690
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: fact all of them. Um all right, um, I'll throw

691
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: it out there. I'm a little nervous about this one

692
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: because I've been pounding to the table that I think

693
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: that Carson Wentz is gonna come back huge and strong

694
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: for the Eagles in twenty nineteen, and I'm not. I'm

695
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: not wavering on that, but I will mentioned that went

696
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: spoke today and acknowledge that he's not healthy yet, that

697
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: the back injury that wiped out the end of the

698
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: season is not healed. He had this to say, it's

699
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: still getting air. Um so is that going to affect

700
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: him going forward? He hopes to be ready for O

701
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: t A s um So, he's not cleared yet, So

702
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 1: that's something to keep an eye on. In the back.

703
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: Like with Tiger Woods, is one of the worst injuries

704
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: a pro athlete could have, So you hope that it's

705
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: not something that's gonna haunt him. But I think everything

706
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: else is set up really well for WinCE. If he

707
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: can get himself to full health. He's a guy that

708
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: has a lot to prove after essentially what was a

709
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 1: lost year, and not only a lost year in uh

710
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: in sen it was his year. It was his it

711
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: was his moment in the sun. He was the m

712
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: v P favorite, the leader in the clubhouse entering December

713
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: when he hurt his knee, and then he watched another man,

714
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: um win a super Bowl with his team. I'm trying

715
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: to think. I just watched The Batman with my sons

716
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: for the first time. Great movie. Jack Nicholson has a

717
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: great line to Bruce Wayne when he shoots him. He

718
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 1: says something like, mess with another man's rhubarb or something

719
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: like that. That's what That's what Carson Wentz Yeah with

720
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: Nick Foles after he won the Super Bowl. Um, but

721
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: let's watch, Let's watch where Wentz is physically. But if

722
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: he can be get back, there's there's skill, talent around him,

723
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: good coaching staff, a division that's there for the taking.

724
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: I think Wentz could have a big comeback year if

725
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: his body allows it. Have you Dan Hans has ever

726
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: had rhubarb? No, And I don't even really know what

727
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: it is. It's got to be a fruit or a vengeable.

728
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: It's a vegetable from the ground. If I'm not mistaken,

729
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: it's a cultivated plant. It's a a lot of long words.

730
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get into it. But um, yeah, I

731
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: have never had ruber, nor have I but people used

732
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: to make pies out of it. Uh, let's yes, I

733
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: think it's over. I think it's over now. Rubb had

734
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: its moment. Uh, Mark, take us around the horn one

735
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: more time unless you want to get some Jason Witten show.

736
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: Do I recover from that rubarb chalk? Um? I think

737
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas is someone out there that obviously you check

738
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: the injury box. You're in a new place. I feel

739
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: like safety with the Ravens is gonna get a lot

740
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: of pub You're gonna be highlighted on every prime time

741
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: event that the Ravens are part of. And if you

742
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: have a couple, let's say you have like a nice

743
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: pick six and maybe a late season interception that vaults

744
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: Baltimore into the final wild card spot. You've done it,

745
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: you might be you might be the guy they pick

746
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 1: if no quarterback shines like Comeback Player of the Year award.

747
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: I don't know the award. We're just telling guys that

748
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: we think are gonna have nice comeback years. We're not

749
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: the award awards, well, I think or then in that case,

750
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: that's that's a much easier sell. Earl Thomas is totally

751
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: set up to play way more games on for a

752
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: team that's, you know, the center of attention and he's

753
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: the center of the defense. Good pick, can't I can't

754
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: say it's not a good pick. I don't feel like

755
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: I feel like that landed like where they major thud

756
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: inside the studio. But I don't know. I don't quite

757
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: know why. It's certainly a good pick. This is a

758
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: future Hall of Famer potentially coming back from season ending

759
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: injury on a new team looking to make a big way.

760
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: I have a juice here. One for the next go round. Well,

761
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: you're only doing two rounds? Do you want to throw

762
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: them out? Hey? How about how about this? All right,

763
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: let me just let's first do this. How about lightning round?

764
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: Let's not take it out of the show. But everyone

765
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: forget about nol Thomas one. It never happened here. Mark

766
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: one more time around the horn. How about this, if

767
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: the trade happens and you're coming off a really, really

768
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: shaking he's got to come back from near a topic

769
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 1: I do. How about Josh Rosen, Let's say he landed

770
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: somewhere else nice here two, because I forgive us something

771
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: that you on wellt the award side of it, but

772
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: it has a great narrative to or what rookie has

773
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: been hassled and tossed around the way that Josh Rosen has.

774
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: If he winds up somewhere else, and especially if the

775
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: Cardinals still sort of stink, kind of stick it in

776
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: their side, and Josh Rosen goes somewhere else and plays

777
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: up to par with the way that we have seen

778
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: him on certain throws in certain games, and you get

779
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: a much better version behind an actually functioning offensive line.

780
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: That's a comeback player that you're right there. I like

781
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: that one. I also I don't necessarily believe in it.

782
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: I know I don't need you to. We can't. We

783
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: can't get everything done. He got I mean, listen, I

784
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 1: gave my speech to Josh a few weeks ago. It's

785
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: not his fault, but what how this all turned out?

786
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: But I'm also not quite ready to say, yeah, just

787
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: put him in a good spot and he's gonna be

788
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: a Okay. It would be a great cutback story if

789
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: he got yeah I mean hard or somewhere. And I'm

790
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: presuming that he does do that. I'm not saying that

791
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: that will happen in this exercise. I love it. By

792
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: the way, it's never rubbed another man's ruebarb, the joker

793
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: says after he shoots Bruce Wayne in the chest, feels

794
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: like common sense? Is it a rue barb? Sort of

795
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: like a fight? Isn't that another word for like a

796
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: Donning Brook? I don't know. It will be the third

797
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: thing we're looking at anyway. Alright, Wes, alright, I'm about

798
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: to try to pull off a three part answer, if

799
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: you will let me go ahead. Well, first I thought, okay,

800
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: what Tiger, you want to look at the personal demons angle.

801
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: There has to be more to the story than just

802
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: a comeback like what put you? Josh Gordon would be

803
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: a good one with the personal demons. But then I thought, okay,

804
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: what about Trent Richardson? Yeah, stay well, there's a lot

805
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: on the line in the studio with him. But then

806
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: the third part is both of these guys failures for

807
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns and who would be the ultimate comeback

808
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: kids in a Tiger would sense the Cleveland Browns went

809
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: in the super Bowl, that would be completion of the

810
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: comeback of all time. They can go all the way.

811
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,479
Speaker 1: Imagine that, Mark, from a sports world angle, it would

812
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: be one of the biggest events in season. It would

813
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: be one of the biggest turnarounds of all time. You've

814
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: often said, Mark that an NFL story gets truly big

815
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: when our moms are interested, when people who don't even

816
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: follow the sports start to ask questions and want, you know,

817
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: hone in on this this topic in the Cleveland Browns,

818
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: would people interested? I like that. I like that too.

819
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: I like that to imagine a scenario. I also like

820
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 1: that where the Browns are in Miami for the Super Bowl,

821
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: not two years from now, and not five years from now,

822
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: this upcoming februwhere well, I do want to make it

823
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: clear that I've mentioned many times if that were to happen,

824
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 1: I am not not any work within forty eight hours

825
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: of the game before or after. Do you think just

826
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: because you say that it matters. No, I think it's

827
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: I will. I will take total control. We have that scenario.

828
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: We had this conversation a few weeks ago, and and

829
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if you landed in the same boat

830
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: as me, but where I came down. If the Jets

831
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: ever were in the Super Bowl, I would do a

832
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: phone or post game if they want, happily do that.

833
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: But that's the extent of my work. I'm not gonna like,

834
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: let's sit there and go through. Oh. Now, in the

835
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: third quarter, so and so had a four yard rush

836
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: that resulted in third and three. No, that is not

837
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: on the bus. Yeah, but you guys have to plan

838
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: for it. So we all get to go and be

839
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: in there and get our tickets and stuff and then

840
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: just don't show up, you know what I mean. If

841
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: you're saying outwardly that you're not going to do it,

842
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, we're not at the game,

843
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: right So you gotta we gotta play the cards the

844
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: right way. It's the Jets or the Browns are in

845
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: the super correct devious woman, You've got to play the game.

846
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: You know. Frew Barb is a fight or a name

847
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: for a fight. By the way, there you go. This

848
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: is right. It's like, don't rub another man's fight. I

849
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: don't think it meant that from the joker. Okay. Um, Now,

850
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: an obvious one is Aaron Rodgers. But I will not

851
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm just gonna say I really do believe

852
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: in Aaron Rodgers. And I think he is not the

853
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: ultimate competitor, because there can only be one. But he

854
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: is an amazing competitor himself, I think, and I think

855
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna see an angry Aaron Rodgers looking to vindicate

856
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 1: himself from all these arrows that Tom Brady tried harder

857
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: because of deflate. Yes it will be that. Yes, I

858
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: get that. Can do whatever they want with these storylines.

859
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: And he wasn't the best of all time, but he

860
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: threw touchdowns and two interceptions over sixteen start slusher. What

861
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: is he coming back from? No, you're thinking about this

862
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: all wrong. This is not the award. This is I

863
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: get it, But what's the award? Broke, get rid of

864
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: the award. It's coming back, somebody. He's coming back from

865
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: getting his coach fired. He's coming back everybody thinking that

866
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: he's not the best quarterback anymore. I mean held onto

867
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: the ball too long in the pocket? Isis he's that

868
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: is what West is saying, is everything he's coming back from.

869
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: No longer we're not right now, we're not talking about

870
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: Aaron Who is he the goat? Now it's Aaron Rodgers?

871
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: Is he the problem? What happened with the Packers? His

872
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: I think his goal is going to change the narrative

873
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: around the Packers. And maybe he did learn from this.

874
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: He called it a good week last week and and

875
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: maybe that will point the whole organization in a more

876
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: positive direction. I do not put it against I don't

877
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 1: know put it past him. I think he's that great. Um,

878
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: So Aaron Rodgers is someone I believe in. And um

879
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: this one's t b A And I'll go out on

880
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: this one h because it depends on what happens at

881
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: the draft. The Arizona Cardinals, as we talked about, hurting

882
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: so many positions, um that it makes it hard to

883
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: be a skill player in that lineup. But David Johnson

884
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: was a raging talent who broke out on the scene

885
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: and became immediately a top five, top ten NFL player,

886
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: and now it's kind of disappeared the last two years.

887
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: If they could ever, they got the coach out of

888
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: their Wilkes, who was a bad fit there for the

889
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: offense and the defense, so they got an offensive minded

890
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: coach in there if they could. If they ever did

891
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: pull the trigger, either on a trade that allowed them

892
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: to beef up their offensive line um for instance, or

893
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: if they took Kyler Murray and Murray was a badass

894
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: like people think he can be, that would obviously make

895
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: things a lot easier for the running back. I think

896
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: David Johnson has a chance to get back to David

897
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: Johnson this year, and he's a guy to keep an

898
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: eye on. But some things have to work and fall

899
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: the place. Well. I would say what's already positive there

900
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: is that their offensive line is much improved, just from

901
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: trading for Marcus Gilbert, signing j R. Sweezy, getting DJ

902
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: Humphries and A. J. Shipley and Justin Pu back healthy.

903
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: They were running out guys in the last month and

904
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,959
Speaker 1: a half of the season who will not even play

905
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: in this league next year. They they they're starters, were

906
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: guys who should have been in the A A F.

907
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: That's not a good thing, no, So he I think

908
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: you'll see him get better and it's hard to it's

909
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: hard to pinpoint just how much he suffered from bad

910
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: coaching last year too. So I mean, I mean, this guy.

911
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 1: If you look at the tape of his pre wrist

912
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: injury seasons, they were talking about him as a Hall

913
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: of famer, the coaches, they're an all timer type player,

914
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: and his numbers were backing it up. And then the

915
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: injury and then he went into the ABYSS last year

916
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: under Wilkes. So we'll see how he comes as everybody else,

917
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: have anyone we want to throw out before we end

918
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: this assignment. This I would hope. I would just say,

919
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: let me hope that this is this guy maybe two thousand,

920
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 1: twenty or twenty one, Ryan Jesus, that would be a

921
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: great comeback story, jumping up on boxes now and doing

922
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: things that you would never have thought he would have

923
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: done coming back from a devastating back injury. That would

924
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: be one of the ultimate comeback stars. Can I sell

925
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: you on a player that produced zero statistics last year?

926
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: Is this for the trophy or just like a comeback type?

927
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: He's obviously coming back. He's coming back to do something

928
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: quite notable. His name is Levy on Bell. Maybe you

929
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: don't like why he was gone but a lot of

930
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: his fellow peers, his fellow running backs, love what he did,

931
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: and he's going to go from zero to sixty. That's

932
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: let's can we bring the trophy back into the conversation

933
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: now for a second. Is that okay? Yes? Could you

934
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: give him no comeback Play of the Year award when

935
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: he opted not to play? I don't know. I think

936
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: you have a hard time garnering that people are gonna

937
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: galvanize behind that one. It is the other end of

938
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: the spectrum from Ryan Chazier. Yes, um, alright, good say,

939
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: good talk, Ricky, have anything else to add? I just like,

940
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: don't understand the Tiger Woods narrative, like the greatest comeback

941
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: in sports history, Like what because he's stopped and he

942
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: got a d u I two years ago and he

943
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: cheated with his wife with thirty women, and it's like,

944
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: oh my god, he overcame at all and hit this

945
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: little fall in the hole, Like good for him. I'm

946
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: so over this bs all over like the greatest comeback

947
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: in sports history. It's like, oh my god. First of all, well,

948
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: let's unpack this one. But I think a lot of

949
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: people agree with you. I would say I've been turned

950
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: off by golf fans because this has been going on

951
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: for a few years where they just welcome him back

952
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: with open arms and everybody's cheering for him. I have

953
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: very conflicted feelings about him. But on the other hand,

954
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 1: it wasn't all self imposed. The back injuries were definitely

955
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: not self imposed, Like people didn't think he'd ever athletically

956
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: be able to do any of this again. And I

957
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: try to separate that, but also whether your injuries are

958
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: self imposed or not, anyone to get off the canvas

959
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: when you've been knocked down in life, because the other

960
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: answer is just let yourself stay down, get it, stay

961
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: addicted to drugs, you know, and he was addicted to pills,

962
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 1: stay stay down. But he didn't stay down. He got

963
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: back up. And whether it was self imposed or not,

964
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: to me, that's worth But the problem I would have

965
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: with like the waste of time looking on Twitter on

966
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: a Sunday during this kind of an event and the

967
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: gushing is that no one just consistently said what you

968
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: just said about it, like I don't i Twitter. Yes,

969
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: a total personal fall from grace based off your own decisions,

970
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: like to be touted as this like hero coming back

971
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: from war, that like has is nothing but a shiny

972
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: dance card. I don't buy into it. I think, well,

973
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: there's also if you look at it in that vacuum. Yes,

974
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: it's not like this heroic comeback journey, but if you

975
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: treated that one. But if you're a sports fan that

976
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 1: goes back and you're old enough, you understand that Tiger

977
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: Woods was Babe Ruth, he was Muhammad Ali, he was

978
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's his sport, there was no one like him.

979
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: He was dominant at a level that blew people's mind.

980
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: This man want a major by fifteen strokes once like

981
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: this is. He was something that you'll see once every

982
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: one hundred years. So there's a level in any sport,

983
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: and golf apparently is no different. There's the level of nostalgia.

984
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: So when he makes his way back that goose is people,

985
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: gets people excited, and it gives golf as a sport

986
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: a major shot in the arm. I totally understand why

987
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: people say we're saying what they were saying yesterday, because

988
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: he was that special as a player at his apex

989
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: so and he goes into the wilderness for a decade

990
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: and then re emerges. As sports fans, we love that

991
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: from a sheer sports angle. Yes, I mean I watched

992
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods his first ever pro event, and I don't

993
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: feel moved the way that you just described. But I'm

994
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: not a golf guy. But secondly, like the back injuries, yes,

995
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: some of the other stuff, like I also want to

996
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: give him a Presidential Medal of Freedom. Well that's what

997
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: that's actually happening now, So that's what I mean. There's

998
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: their limits to it. But there's a part of this

999
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: story that's as old as is the prodigal son wasting talent.

1000
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: And he could have wasted his talent, and some people

1001
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: could argue that for years he did, but he returned

1002
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 1: and not only to set himself right, but to bring

1003
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: joy to other people by using his talent. And to me,

1004
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: that is worth applauding from all this everything that's happened

1005
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: so as human not a human story to human interest, Ricky,

1006
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: does a change anything about how you feel after that conversation.

1007
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's great that he came back

1008
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: like athletically and the back injuries and all that, but

1009
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 1: it's it's a human interest piece. Look, he took all

1010
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 1: those thirty women and turned it into ten years later

1011
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: winning them like get off mine. I totally get where

1012
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: you come from. I absolutely understand that what Hi horse,

1013
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: I understand to me he is not the most sympathetic

1014
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: athletes at all. He never has been. Even before all

1015
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: of that I did, I never found him to be

1016
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: a sympathetic persona. UM, incredible conversation. Guys killed it. We'll

1017
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: be back on Wednesday with our Twitter show ten thirty

1018
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: Civic one thirty Eastern, uh, maybe five thirty in England.

1019
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: Still no one. No one's told me I'm wrong or right,

1020
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: so I'll continue to say that and um, and then

1021
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: on Thursday we'll be back with another show. I believe

1022
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: Connie Fox will be involved. I believe we might be

1023
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: calling some general managers in the National Football League, so

1024
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: make sure you tune in for that. All right, let's go, Stan.

1025
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Speaker 1: I had to signing off for The Quiet Store, The

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Speaker 1: mail Man and Ricky Hollywood Behind the Glass Still Wenesday