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Speaker 1: And of course the PAC twelve power rankings. I'm George

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Speaker 1: What the hell is going on in the conference? Man?

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Speaker 1: You got you got people wanting Chip Kelly to be

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Speaker 1: conflicting reports and Herman Edwards is cleaning house on a

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Speaker 1: of Arizona, Dave he, the athletic director, after the game

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Speaker 1: It's gonna take time for this to build. They have

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Speaker 1: absolutely no reason to believe that Kevin someone is not

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Speaker 1: and then Grant Gannel with Nolm Mazzoni is a perfect

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Speaker 1: the wide receiver's coach out of Colorado, that they just

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Speaker 1: bringing Hugh Jackson and continue to you know, make this

431
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Speaker 1: uh the a s U version of like old dogs,

432
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Speaker 1: of just getting that get getting the old friends together

433
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Speaker 1: so they can have one last hurrah. Oh. I totally agree.

434
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Speaker 1: Oh and and also another quick note on the USC thing,

435
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Speaker 1: Clay Hilton and carry Colbert posted, well, Joshua Jackson the

436
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Speaker 1: recruit them. He posted a picture an hour ago with

437
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: Clay Hilton and Carrie Colbert in his living room with

438
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Speaker 1: a Christmas tree and and his family nothing, and and

439
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: that Mike Bone isn't even in Los Angeles right now

440
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Speaker 1: and he comes back this evening. So how on earth

441
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Speaker 1: does this make sense? I mean, it doesn't. But they also,

442
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: you know, Tyler Chuck was also posting pictures with UH

443
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Speaker 1: with Willie Taggert from his living room while Willie Taggert

444
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: was excusing himself to the backyard to have phone conversations

445
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Speaker 1: with Florida State. So yeah, but the difference in that

446
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: is is that Willie Taggert was trying to leave and um, yeah, yeah,

447
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: I mean because because when you're getting fired, they pull

448
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 1: you and your staff off the road and like, and

449
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: if it were reported that he were being fired already,

450
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Speaker 1: he would not have been meeting with a recruit guarantee.

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Speaker 1: My favorite thing about that tweet you're talking about about

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Speaker 1: that Josh Jackson junior tweet where he tweeted out a

453
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Speaker 1: picture of him and carry Colbert in the whole family

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Speaker 1: in the living room is the first reply is the

455
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Speaker 1: bar stool Twitter account h and it just says fight

456
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Speaker 1: on Josh. But the barstool Twitter account changed its display

457
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Speaker 1: name to fire Clay Hilton. Now, so this entire fan base,

458
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: this entire fan base is a giant mess, oh man.

459
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: And then you got in l A two. You have

460
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: obviously the Chip Kelly people are wondering what the heck

461
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: is going on with Chip Kelly? Is he gonna quit

462
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: all of that? But um, it's just a mess. And

463
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Speaker 1: oh oh and and then your boy is talking again,

464
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Speaker 1: your boy, Mike Leach. So after the game, um, after

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Speaker 1: they lost in the Apple Cup against Washington four, I

466
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Speaker 1: think what the seventh or eighth straight, seventh year in

467
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Speaker 1: a row. Yeah, my Mike Leach. First of all, Mike

468
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 1: Leach has never beat in Washington so that's that, that's

469
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Speaker 1: part of this, and he's a little touchy about it.

470
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Speaker 1: And John Blanchett, a sports columnist for The Spokesman review Um,

471
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Speaker 1: asked Mike Leach why he keeps losing in the Apple Cup,

472
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Speaker 1: and Mike Leach is like, well, their players are better,

473
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Speaker 1: you know about recruiting rankings. Why wouldn't Why would it

474
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Speaker 1: be a surprise if they win? If they've got better players.

475
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Speaker 1: John Blanchett followed up with are you not supposed to

476
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Speaker 1: beat teams with higher ranked recruits? And that's when your

477
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Speaker 1: boy Mike Leach lost his mind. He called them a

478
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Speaker 1: sanc demonious trolle. What were your thoughts on that, Ralph,

479
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Speaker 1: Because I have some strong opinions on it. I am

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Speaker 1: Mike Leach in general. I mean, I've got so I've

481
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Speaker 1: got some mixed feelings on it. There's there's us obvious

482
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 1: weird pathology of Mike Leach where he never takes responsibility

483
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 1: for anything right like that exists in this in this moment,

484
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: and we've already seen him bash the players and then

485
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: has watched his defensive coordinator resigned via you know, John

486
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: dear letter Um a couple of days later, and and

487
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: you know, we've watched him now do this where he

488
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: talks about his players not being as good coming out

489
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Speaker 1: of high school, which again it's his responsibility to make

490
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Speaker 1: sure that he gets better players and also that he

491
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Speaker 1: coaches them up. And it's also never a problem when

492
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 1: they go out and upset somebody. Um. But you know,

493
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: so we it's just more of the same from Mike Leach.

494
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: So that's one half of it. The other half of

495
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Speaker 1: it is, I don't mind when coaches come out and

496
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: blow up these columnists because a job exists, you know,

497
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: in in our side of things, a job exists solely

498
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: for people to be critical. That's their entire job. So

499
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 1: when Mike Leach said, I don't know what cougar hurt you,

500
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: I was cracking up because sometimes I wonder about just

501
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: the necessity of our profession, um to begin with, of

502
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 1: just everybody being critical of every decision that they're not

503
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: present for in that moment, or just carrying the idea

504
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: that these guys don't want to be successful, right um.

505
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: And so I think that the columnists and critics do

506
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: go overboard sometimes and so sometimes it's fun to have

507
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: a coach called call them on the carpet for those things.

508
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: But it does it doesn't do much good when it's

509
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: Mike Leach, who again never takes responsibility for anything. And

510
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: this was just more of that, Oh yeah, and what

511
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: and the thing I thought, what I thought the question

512
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: was very fair. When you bring up the fact that

513
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Speaker 1: they have better recruits and that that's why they win,

514
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: then you're you're also basically saying, I, A, I do

515
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: a terrible job of recruiting. I can't recruit here at

516
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: this university. And then the follow up was, Okay, so

517
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to beat team to higher rank recruits.

518
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: It was a fair question when you brought it up. Yeah,

519
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: and Mike Leach has to start taking some responsibility for

520
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: what's going on at Washington State and when they lose,

521
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: and also take responsibility for his team because he regularly

522
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: just passes the buck on. Oh the players are dumb, slow,

523
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: entitled all of this. Maybe it's just you, bro, Maybe

524
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: you are the problem. And maybe your offense, which I

525
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: described on this podcast a couple of episodes ago on

526
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: how to Stop the air raid Mike Leaches air raid offense,

527
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: maybe that is the problem. Maybe it's too predictable. Maybe

528
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: it's easy to stop an offense where all you have

529
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Speaker 1: to do is take away the deep stuff and come

530
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: up and tackle and make them throw the ball to

531
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Speaker 1: the back and make him take fifteen plays to score.

532
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: And usually somebody will drop a pass or get a

533
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Speaker 1: penalty something else, and then you will stall drives. And

534
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: also it worked, it doesn't work well in the red

535
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Speaker 1: zone at all. So you know, maybe it's you, maybe

536
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: it's not everybody else, and maybe you should go to

537
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: go to Arkansas and you know, and when win six

538
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: games seven games a year there, I mean, they'd probably

539
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: be thankful at least for a couple of years. I

540
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: think he I think Mike Leach has gotten to the

541
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: point where he genuinely believes the team would be nothing

542
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: without him, and he might not be wrong about that, um,

543
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: but it's still not a good headspace to be in because,

544
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: as with anything, if you're not humble and hungry, you

545
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: know you're gonna have issues. And so um, he's definitely

546
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: not humble, and I'm not sure how how hungry he

547
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: is to win UM at at Washington State right now,

548
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: if he's letting the reporters get under his skin this much,

549
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: if he can't convinced coaches to stay on staff. Um,

550
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: you know you've got you've got guys who know how

551
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: to run the air raid. Now you know, there's an

552
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: entire tree of people who have either you know, run

553
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: it under him, like Graham Harrold or Cliff Kingsbury. There

554
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: are guys out there that can coach that offense. And

555
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: it might it might ultimately behoove Washington State to let

556
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: him walk and bring in somebody like Graham Harrold b

557
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: head coach of the team. Um, so that you can

558
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: have the same type of flavor that keeps you competitive.

559
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: That might be the move. I like when you think

560
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: outs out of the box row, Well, we gotta wait

561
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: for this team meeting to find out if some dominoes

562
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: are gonna fall. Yeah, I mean I just can't imagine that.

563
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: Like if Mike Bone, if he doesn't get in until

564
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Speaker 1: later on tonight, unless he's gonna be at that team meeting.

565
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: I mean, who who's gonna announce that the coach is fired?

566
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: If it's not the A D? Yeah, who's going to

567
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: announce that the coach is staying besides the A D?

568
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: I mean, is is Clay outon quitting? You know what?

569
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the let me run Let me run

570
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Speaker 1: one comment by you, because there was a guy named

571
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: Uso Levi who was played high school football in the

572
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Speaker 1: state of Washington and he had he was committed to

573
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Speaker 1: Washington State when Paul Wolfe was the head coach and

574
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: he ended up playing his college ball at Wyoming and

575
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,239
Speaker 1: he uh, he tweeted this out and I wanted your

576
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: take on it. He said, I was committed to Washington

577
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Speaker 1: State in high school when Paul Wolfe was the head coach.

578
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: That same year, Mike Leach was brought in and he

579
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: pulled all of the scholarships from US Washington kids and

580
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: brought in players from California in Texas and that's why

581
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: they don't care for the Apple Cup recruit in state players.

582
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Speaker 1: Do you think that the players don't care about out

583
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: that rival? Do you think that that's part of it? George,

584
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: I mean, they should care about winning and losing, you

585
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And the rivalries are taught more

586
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: than they are, you know, in steel because when I

587
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Speaker 1: got to Oregon, I thought Oregon State was our biggest rival,

588
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: and then when Husky Wheat came out, I found out otherwise,

589
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: I found out what it really was about. So it's

590
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Speaker 1: more taught than it is, you know, just just you know,

591
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: in state recruits know these things. It's definitely, you know,

592
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: an inherited deal. You know. It's like kids. Kids aren't

593
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: born racist, they learned to be racist. The same the

594
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: same thing with with rivalries. They aren't born ring what

595
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: rivalries are? They just learned them? UM, what is your

596
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Speaker 1: Oh do you have your pack twelve power rankings? Every

597
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: single time we do it. But I think I feel

598
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Speaker 1: a little bit better about um, about where we're at

599
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: on on this this time. UM, you know I've got uh,

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00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: I can pretty solidly how much how much of yours

601
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: changed from last week? Not a lot? Not a lot

602
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 1: because UM, Oregon took care of business, Utah took care business.

603
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: Pretty much everybody on top half UM did what they

604
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: were supposed to, and everyone on the bottom half loss.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, I don't know how much I

606
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: would actually change, if any to me. To me, this

607
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: is the first week where I think everything sort of

608
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: went the exact way that you would have expected it

609
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Speaker 1: to go. Uh. Stanford probably deserves a little bit of

610
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Speaker 1: credit for how they played in the first half against

611
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: Notre Dame um. But you know, ultimately it rounded out

612
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: a four and eight season for them in which they

613
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: went three and six in conference, so they're going to

614
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Speaker 1: be on the bottom half. So I I, you know,

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Speaker 1: what if as I'm looking at it, I don't have

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Speaker 1: any changes. Um, I don't have any changes per se.

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Speaker 1: It's I do have Arizona State ranked above U c

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Speaker 1: l A, and I think that there's that. Know, you

619
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Speaker 1: do have to point out that U c l A

620
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: beat the living hell at the Arizona State, but U

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Speaker 1: c l A has so many big and bad losses

622
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: and Arizona State has that went over Oregon that that's

623
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Speaker 1: really what I used to justify, um, to justify my

624
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: rankings there. But UM, yeah, I don't really have any

625
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: changes from last week at all. Arizona is number twelve.

626
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Speaker 1: That that that just needs to be stated, and I didn't.

627
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: I don't have any changes either. I mean, my regulars

628
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: are the exact same as last week. I have Arizona twelve,

629
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Speaker 1: Stanford eleven, Colorado ten, Oregon State nine, Washington State eight,

630
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Speaker 1: U c l A seven, Washington six, Cal five A

631
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Speaker 1: s U four, USC three, Oregon to Utah one. That

632
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: it's the I felt like that this was the first

633
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: time that I got them right, and they stayed exactly

634
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Speaker 1: the same the next week. And I think that even

635
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Speaker 1: even though a SU did beat all head to head,

636
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Speaker 1: I think that that one you can almost have like

637
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: a tide for fourth in that one, just because of

638
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: how how it's so very obvious that this is a

639
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: different team with Garbers at quarterback. Yeah, yeah, they're not

640
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: even Yeah, that's one of those things where the offense

641
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: puts you in better position for for where you are

642
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: and now. And the biggest question is for everybody is

643
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: who's going to the playoffs? Like do you believe you

644
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: talk and make the playoffs because they're because they're gonna

645
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: be in the five spot. Um when the college football

646
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: playoff rankings come out on Tuesday and you know, and

647
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 1: then if Georgia beats l s U, I don't see

648
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: a way that that they fought that they that they're

649
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: not in the fourth spot because I don't think that

650
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: Oklahoma is going to be able to jump them with

651
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: a Baylor win. Well, and so here's my question for you, George.

652
00:36:54,600 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: Should everyone be rooting for Utah? I won't be, but

653
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: but I understand why other Pack twelve people would would be.

654
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I just can't root against my own team

655
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: for you TAH to make the playoffs, even though I

656
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: do believe you talk could make some noise, especially against

657
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: L s U. That that would be the ideal pairing

658
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: for them would be L s U. Um. So, I

659
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: definitely if they if they do beat Oregon, I'm going

660
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: to in the Pac twelve playoffs, I mean the Pac

661
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: twelve Championship. I will be rooting for them to win

662
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: the college football playoffs. But as far as everybody else

663
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: in the conference, I would hope, so, I would hope

664
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: they're rooting for him. But I don't even know if Larry,

665
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: if Larry Scott is because he's like, oh maybe if

666
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: Oregon wins, we can get two New Year six Bowls

667
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: that will give us some more money and then we

668
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: can say that things are better and then get a

669
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: TV deal. I don't know, man, Yeah, I I even it,

670
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: regardless of what happens. I mean, even if it ends

671
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: up being completely disastrous. Um for the Pac twelve, I

672
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: would think that Larry Scott would just come out and

673
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: and you know, spray the turd with fabris like he

674
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: usually does. Um. You know, I think that I think

675
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: that if you're basing it off of the amount of

676
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: money that you want your school to get, then would

677
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: it not be better because Oregon would go to the

678
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl regardless, right, and so would it would it

679
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: not be better for Utah to get into the playoff

680
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: and even win a game, um as far as financially

681
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: for the entire conference? So I mean, if you're looking

682
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: at it from that perspective, Um, you know, I do

683
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: know a lot of Pack twelve fans who don't enjoy

684
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: Utah and their brand and the way their fans talk smack,

685
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: but do actually have quite an appreciation for the way

686
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: this team is coached and constructed. Um, you know. I

687
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: I And I also think that you know, with with

688
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: with Oregon sort of out of it, it would be

689
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 1: interesting because it would give Utah the opportunity to find

690
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: out whether they're actually for real or not or if

691
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: they just ran through kind of a week Pack twelve South,

692
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 1: which they didn't run through them they lost to USC's

693
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: third string quarterback. Um, but I do think that it

694
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: would be nice to have that opportunity at the same time,

695
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: you know, may the best team, may the best and

696
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: best coach team win. I think that Utah probably has

697
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: a few advantages in that game. Um, and I think

698
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: that you know, Oregon definitely has the speed. Uh. I'm

699
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: just looking forward to the game, man, I'm really looking

700
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 1: forward to seeing that game being play. All right, So

701
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: let's go. Let's go through the games real quick. Um. Okay,

702
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: so I guess we'll We'll start at the beginning. We

703
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 1: had the Washington State Cougars versus the Washington Huskies where

704
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: that game was on Friday night, the Apple Cup. This

705
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: was a total wipeout. I mean watched this State. They

706
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: their offense was just held in check. There was now

707
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, it was a situation to where they did

708
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: not have any hope. Really they only got what sixteen no,

709
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: no, no no, actually no, they got a ton of first downs,

710
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: twenty seven first downs. But at the end of the day,

711
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: it was kind of what I was saying. They made

712
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: them throw the ball underneath, and they made them like

713
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 1: they came up and tackled. They just did not allow

714
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: big plays, which is how to stop the air raid offense.

715
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: Because they only average six point four yards per completion. Yeah,

716
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: six through the ball times yards right, and that and

717
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: that was that was paired equally amongst the first and

718
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: second halfs and so UM, I thought it was a

719
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: masterful defensive performance by by Washington um than just a

720
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: complete act of stubbornness by Mike Leach and this coaching

721
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: staff to go about things the way um that they did.

722
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: There are things that have worked against Washington this year

723
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: that other teams have been able to execute. But you

724
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: still want to go out there and you want to

725
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: do your dinking dunk. You find out in the first

726
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: half that it's pretty clearly not working. Yeah. I think

727
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: they had thirty first half pass attempts for under a

728
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards passing and there's not really an

729
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: adjustment made there. And now you're forced into um throwing.

730
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: You know, you're not going to go over the top.

731
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: They had you exactly where they wanted you. And then

732
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: Anthony Gordon starts to make some mistakes because you can't

733
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 1: just count on him to be perfect all the time.

734
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: And it was, it was, it was dominant. It was.

735
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: It's the same thing that Utah did to Washington State.

736
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: It's the same thing that to a lesser extent, Arizona

737
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: State did, and it just you know, it contributes to

738
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: what was a really really bad year for Washington State.

739
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: I mean, well, they did play very well at home.

740
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: I'll give them that, they're five and one at home,

741
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: but they finished the year oh and five on the

742
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: road and three and six in the conference after. You know,

743
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: Mike Leach bragged that that they had more wins than

744
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 1: anybody else for the last four years in the Pact

745
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: twelve they even finished behind Stanford. So not a lot

746
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: to be proud of for Washington State in the Pactual

747
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: North this year. Oh, not not at all, Not at all, man.

748
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: I mean, when when you look at Washington and Washington

749
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: State finished to the season, it wasn't good. It wasn't good.

750
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: I mean, what Washington fans that are screaming for um,

751
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: they're they're screaming for Chris Peterson to be fired. Washing

752
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: this state fans they don't know what they want. Um, Well, Washington,

753
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: Washington should have won nine games this year. There's two

754
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: losses on their schedule that there's probably absolutely no excuse for.

755
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 1: So it's a it's kind of a disappointing and confusing

756
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 1: year for them to have that Stanford loss as well

757
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: as the the loss at Colorado. Those two things are inexcusable.

758
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: And even at nine and three, this is probably a

759
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: team that's going to be regretting the one point loss

760
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: to Cal at three in the morning or whatever. And

761
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: so UM, I think this team definitely underperformed and should

762
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: be frustrated. And I think they need to take a long,

763
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: hard look at the offensive staff and find out what

764
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: it takes to be successful and score points. And you know,

765
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 1: her Edwards was very decisive coming out and firing everybody

766
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 1: after getting seven wins. Um, but you know, you don't

767
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: see Washington doing the same thing. And I think the

768
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: expectations were much higher for Washington than they were for

769
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: Arizona State, oh for sure. For sure. Uh and Washington

770
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: finishing four and five in the conference and seven and

771
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: five overall, that's not what they signed up for. They

772
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: have the same record in conference as Oregon State and

773
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: cow and u c l A in Arizona State. Because

774
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: there are only three teams with winning conferences in the

775
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: winning records in the conference that in conference play, that's Utah,

776
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: USC and Oregon. That's it. Nobody else has a winning record,

777
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 1: which is not typical. And that's why you only find

778
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: three teams ranked in the back twelve right now, Three

779
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: that's it, Oregon, Utah, in USC that's that's literally it. Um.

780
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: I mean and and you need and everybody would have

781
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: thought there would have at least been a fourth team

782
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: with Washington and maybe even cow Such is such a disappointment,

783
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: and now you got Washington State is going to be

784
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: looking for a new quarterback next year, Washington maybe looking

785
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: for a new quarterback. Their fans don't love Easton, they

786
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: don't like Hamlin the offensive coordinator, Hambler the offensive coordinator.

787
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: That they're mad at Chris Peterson. This is what happens

788
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: when you lose. It sucks. I agree, Um, I think

789
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: that I don't think that anybody should be talking about

790
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: Chris Peterson's job. Um, but I do think that that,

791
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: you know all, I should be focused on what they

792
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: do next year, because they can't underperform like that two

793
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: years in a row, especially in conference play. That was

794
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: you know again, two of their losses are completely inexcusable.

795
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: Now onto a game that I thought was gonna be

796
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: a shocker when I looked up at the score, because

797
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: there were so many good games going on at the

798
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: time that I couldn't watch the entire Notre Dame Stanford game.

799
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: So I turned it on probably midway through the first quarter,

800
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: and Stanford was playing well, and I looked over at

801
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: at my wife. I was I said, there's no way

802
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: to de score holes. She said, why not? You know

803
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 1: they can win. I was like, Babe, the Stanford's broken.

804
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: They cannot win this game. And she thought I was

805
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: crazy for saying that this wasn't gonna hold because they

806
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: were up. Um, they were up what like twenty one

807
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: to three, s been something something along, They're up, They're

808
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: up seventeen to seven with a little over three minutes

809
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: left in the second and then it all just went

810
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: left from from their Stanford only managed seven points, and

811
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, Davis Mills had a decent day. But truth

812
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: be told, when you look at the stat line from

813
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: this game, it wasn't impressive on either side. Like you

814
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: you had Stamford have almost four hundred yards of total offense,

815
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: and Notre Dame like like four or forty. No, uh no,

816
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: Rusher had over fifty yards. You had a bunch of

817
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: guys in the forties and thirties. I mean, aside from

818
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: Ian books touchdown passes, I just didn't see anything that

819
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: showed me that Stanford is that they have anything ready

820
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: for next season. Yeah, I mean they bring some of

821
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: these guys back right so, Um, they their offensive line

822
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: was completely devastated this year, which gives some experience to

823
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: the guys that are that are coming in behind. Cameron

824
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: Scarlett's gone, he's you know that that's over with. You know,

825
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: he had it seemed like he was in school for

826
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: like as long as Peyton Pritcher has been at Oregon

827
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: running point guard. Yeah. The one thing that you don't

828
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: you don't want if you're Stanford is to have your

829
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 1: feature back, um close out his senior season with uh

830
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: four point two yards per carry average and less than

831
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: nine hundred yards rushing. I mean, he had fifteen hundred

832
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: sixty nine rushing yards for his career, which is almost

833
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: at this point what you expect the feature back at

834
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: Stanford to be doing, um all by themselves, you know

835
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: he and he what's crazy is he pretty much was

836
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: their offense. Is your two six touches but only got

837
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: in the end zone seven times. Um, that they're going

838
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: to have to find somebody to carry the load at

839
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: a running back. That's going to be a really really

840
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: big thing for them at quarterback and receiver. I think

841
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: they're okay, and now they have some experience on the

842
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: offensive line. So if they're going to commit to being

843
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: a pro style offense and bring in the right coaches

844
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: to make sure that that's the case, I think they'll

845
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: be able to score next year. But defensively, uh, they're

846
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: lacking some athletes and they need to figure out how

847
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: to pressure the opposing team's passer to make sure they're competitive.

848
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't see I can see them

849
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: being better, but I can't see them getting back to

850
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: that threshold of winning around ten games. Yeah, I agree

851
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: with that because Caperin Scarlett finished ninth in the conference

852
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: in Russian. Stanford's running back it's ninth in the conference

853
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: and Russian, and you know they had after being relatively

854
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: healthy all year too. Yeah, I mean, it's just not

855
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: a good look. And the leading rushers in the regular season,

856
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: you had Zach Massy six yards fifteen touchdowns, Joshua Kelly

857
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: put it on another thousand yard perform at twelve touchdowns,

858
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: Salvin on mag Crack just right at a thousand um

859
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: with nine touchdowns, and and No Benjamin at ten eighty

860
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: three with tin touchdowns. I mean, that's very interesting to

861
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: me that the thing I noticed about that was the

862
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: number five. So you at C. J. Verdell at five

863
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: point nine yards per carry but only had five touchdowns.

864
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: And I think that that's an area of like when

865
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: you look at the at those backs. So Zack Moss

866
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: is a senior, got Joshua Kelly who's a senior. Salvitt

867
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: Savannah med is a junior at Washington and no Benjamin.

868
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: Do you think he's gonna come out in the draft? Yeah,

869
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: he's gone. Yeah, So so you got a no bit Benjamin,

870
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: Oh J J J J. Taylor in his seven hundred

871
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: yards he's gone to the dreams gone. So it's like,

872
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: who's gonna be the And you got Urtavius Pierce at

873
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: Oregon State gone? I mean besides Jamark Jefferson next year,

874
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: Who's who's gonna be a big time back in this

875
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: league that we foresee that's gonna be returning, right, That's

876
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: gonna be exciting. It's gonna be exciting to see he

877
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: takes the mantle. Yep, um Okay. The next game up

878
00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: is Oregon State and Oregon and and the score four

879
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: to ten was nowhere near an indication of how this

880
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: game looks. I was as an Oregon fan. I was

881
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: happy this game was on Pack twelve network. I didn't

882
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: want anybody to see this because the score at halftime

883
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: was seventeen to three. Oregon didn't score again until the

884
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: point in time where they actually should have been taking knees,

885
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: except for they don't really take knees, They just run

886
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: the clock out. So they were up seventeen to ten.

887
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: And they accidentally scored a touchdown with like under a

888
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: minute to go in the game because Oregon State had

889
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: a turnover, so like the game was absolutely over, but

890
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: they didn't score in the second half. They scored on

891
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: a kickoff return by Michael Wright, I believe, And so

892
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: the offense only managed ten points, only managed ten points.

893
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: Oregon State, their offense, their defense, their defense is giving

894
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: was giving up thirty two points, well actually thirty four

895
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: points a game. Coming into this game thirty four points

896
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: and giving up five or four d fifty yards of

897
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: total offense. And Oregon just came out later due and

898
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: they and truthfully they later done against Arizona State, even

899
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: though the stats turned out okay because they had a

900
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: big push at the end the Arizona's they were underwhelmingly

901
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: offensively against Arizona as well. Something is wrong with this offense, Ralph,

902
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: something is wrong with the offense. Yeah, I think that. Um,

903
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: I think that there's probably gonna be that little bit

904
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: of a letdown, knowing that they're more talented than Oregon State.

905
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: But they lost that game at a s U and

906
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: Oregon State just had a lot more to play for uh.

907
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, the game plan kind

908
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,240
Speaker 1: of goes out of the window because you've got Christian Jebbia,

909
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: who's a little bit more mobile than Jake Luton playing quarterback.

910
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: And unfortunate for Jake Luton and his career comes to

911
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: an end like this with an injury and no bowl game.

912
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: But I gotta say, nobody's really improved from freshman the

913
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: senior year the way he did. I mean he he

914
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: was a freshman at Idaho in throwing one touchdown four interceptions.

915
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: He ends up closing out is super senior year with

916
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: twenty eight touchdowns three interceptions on a team that didn't

917
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 1: even make a bowl. Um. Just a fantastic senior season

918
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: for him. They got the most out of him. Um.

919
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, and so this game meant more for Oregon State.

920
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: They actually outgained Oregon. Um and Uh, I think, yeah,

921
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: something's probably wrong with this offense. It's just a matter

922
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: of justin Herbert needs to get a little bit loose

923
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: where they've put enough on film um that that it's

924
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: kind of become a thing where they need to make

925
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: some adjustments uh and and have some surprises. Um. But

926
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: I will say that it's definitely concerning going into a

927
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: game against Utah. You don't want to be stale offensively

928
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: and too defense. Is that we're giving up a ton

929
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: of points before they faced Oregon. We're a s U

930
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: and and Oregon State, and both of them played very

931
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: very well against this Oregon offense. And so I think

932
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: there's definitely some things to be concerned about. Oregon has

933
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: still had a really special year and made uh an

934
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: enormous improvement over last year. Um, but just kind of

935
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: like you brought up with running backs, you know, not

936
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: necessarily scoring a bunch of touchdowns even if they get yards,

937
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: that's just it. You know, there haven't been a lot

938
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: of real breakaway threats in the pack twelve this year,

939
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: and as far as Oregon goes, you know that that's

940
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: definitely been an issue for them. They can chew up yards,

941
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: but then they kind of depend on Justin Herbert to

942
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: get the touchdown pass and he's you know, who knows

943
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 1: what's going through his mind right now, but he's struggling

944
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: a little bit. He's been wildly inconsistent since, you know,

945
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: kind of since the Washington State game. Wildly I mean

946
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: in the Arizona State game. Like when you look back

947
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: at the Arizona, Arizona State and Oregon State games, there

948
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: are some throws that you just are head scratching. You're like,

949
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 1: is this guy really a first round pick? I mean,

950
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: because he's put together such a body of work that

951
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: shows he's a first round pick. But then there's like

952
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: those three games You're just sitting there just like, are

953
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: you like, has the pressure of the National Championship potentially

954
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: College Football Playoff and the UM and the Pact World Championship,

955
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: saying healthy for the draft? Have all of those things

956
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: that's been kind of mounting on on on his brain

957
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: and kind of you know, been taxing on his on

958
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: his life. Really, Like I'm wondering, maybe I think one

959
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: of the things that could really free him up those

960
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: they got to get him out on the run. He's

961
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: big and he's athletic, and that can change up how

962
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: he's being defended if they have to spy him. If

963
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: you take away a defender and they have to spy him,

964
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: then that just gives him more options in the passing game.

965
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: And I feel like they have trying to him more

966
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 1: of that prototypical pocket passer. You know, it's still college football.

967
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: Use all the tools at your disposal, and that's where

968
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna be the biggest threat um. You know, it

969
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: does feel like it's just a giant audition for the

970
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: pro scouts at this point. He's made some really impressive throws.

971
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: But you know, if you're not a professional offensive coordinator,

972
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: then you shouldn't be trying to do professional scheming. You know,

973
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: it's college football. It's fun to keep him healthy, but

974
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: at the same time, you know, players build on momentum.

975
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: And a few people ask me about Marcus Arroyo, Oregan's

976
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, and he's obviously a fantastic recruiter. He does

977
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: a great job at that. But I but I have

978
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: been wondering necessarily if he should you know, if he

979
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: is the guy to kind of push things forward for

980
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: for Oregon offensively because he's done a better job this

981
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: year than the previous year. That his first season, it

982
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: was his first season ever being in office of coordinator.

983
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of people who think that he's

984
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: poised to at some point in time be a head coach.

985
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: So it's one of those things, like how do you

986
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: kind of balance it when you have a great recruiter

987
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: who is not necessarily the best offensive coordinator, but then

988
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: like he adds some many value. He had so much

989
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: value in some areas. He's coach Christo Ball's friend. I mean, like,

990
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: how do you make a decision about a coach in

991
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: that situation? I think I think that's tough. And just

992
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: looking at Herbert, I mean, freshman year, twenty rushing yards

993
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: a game, sophomore year twenty three rushing yards a game,

994
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,919
Speaker 1: junior year fourteen and a half rushing yards a game.

995
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: Senior year forty two carries for one net yard. That's crazy. Yeah,

996
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. They clearly as a team made a conscious

997
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: effort to not run him. I mean and even even

998
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: who even Alabama runs to at at times. That's the

999
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: crazy part about it is that like every quarterback has

1000
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: to run at some point in time, and that includes um,

1001
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: that includes him. So you know, it will be interesting

1002
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: to see who ends up in the Rose Bowl because

1003
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: you got Oregon, who it looks like will end up

1004
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: in the Rose Bowl either way, no matter what happens

1005
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: in the packball Championship, because you got they would if

1006
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: they lose to Utah. Utah is going to the College

1007
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: Football Playoff, which would then put Oregon in the Rose Bowl.

1008
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: But there are some people who believe that the Rose

1009
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: Bowl may actually choose USC because they get a choice.

1010
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: What do you think, Um, I don't think so. I

1011
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: think that you you you gotta go with Oregon in

1012
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: that circum stance. Um. And then you know, we're also

1013
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: presupposing that LSU was gonna take care of business against

1014
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: Georgia to make sure that if Utah wins that you know,

1015
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: it happens for them. Um. And you know l s

1016
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: U is as hot as any team in the country

1017
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: right now, so I wouldn't bet against them. But you know,

1018
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: there is a scenario where Georgia wins, l s U

1019
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: doesn't fall far back enough and uh, and all of

1020
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know Utah is the one in the

1021
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl and Oregon's looking for you know, Hotel reservations

1022
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: in l Pass or San Diego. So oh lord, oh gosh,

1023
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:38,919
Speaker 1: that that would be a disastrous set of events. Even

1024
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: if I mean, even if they did end up let's say,

1025
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: like they ended up in the in the Holiday Bowl

1026
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: against a team like Michigan, you know, which could be

1027
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: a ton of fun, it's still probably wouldn't be representative

1028
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: of the type of year they had, so very very

1029
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: much like Washington State last year when they didn't get

1030
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: a New Year's well, like that would be, right, Yeah,

1031
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: that would be horrendous. But I don't think that Georgia

1032
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: is gonna beat Utah simply. I mean, and the main

1033
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: reason is because, uh, they have a wide receiver who suspended,

1034
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift probably won't play, and then there are other

1035
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: top wide receiver is out as well. So so yeah,

1036
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: so that's gonna be very tough. And they got Stingley,

1037
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: who's the fantastic who's one of the best corners in

1038
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: the country. Uh, you got Utah and Colorado Colorado forty fifteen,

1039
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: Utah forty five. You know, Colorado started out the game

1040
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: seven zero, and with all the wacky results that have

1041
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,479
Speaker 1: happened in the pack twelve, I actually tweeted out said,

1042
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: there's no way Colorado beats Utah in Utah, right, I

1043
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: mean like there was I mean there was a because

1044
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: they went down to score pretty easily, and I was

1045
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: just like, there's no way that this actually happens. I

1046
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: mean there's no way. And of course it did not happen.

1047
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: They got absolutely demolished fifteen. And I've I owe you

1048
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: take a big apology. I said that Tyler Huntley that

1049
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: he would need to be special and great in some games,

1050
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: and truthfully, I have not given him the credit that

1051
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: he deserves. This man has been fantastic. He has been consistent,

1052
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: he's been a leader. Um, his stats just don't jump

1053
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: off the page to you because when you look at

1054
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: the um when when when you look at the entire

1055
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: conference and who is you know, who are the top

1056
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: passers all of that. He's number one in past efficiency

1057
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: in the conference. But you know when when when you

1058
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: look at the stats, he doesn't and out with the

1059
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: Josh Gordon's, he doesn't stand out with even the Justin

1060
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: Herbert's or Keaton Slovis because he is ninth in the

1061
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: conference in passing yards. Because you've got guys, uh, Anthony

1062
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: Gordon through for five thousand yards, Slovis through Slovis and

1063
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: Herbert through for three thousand yards, Jaden Daniels through for

1064
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: twenty seven hundred, Jake uh Lwton hundred, Dorry and Thompson,

1065
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: Robin Said even through for twenty seven hundred yards, Jacob

1066
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: Easton Montes, and then you got Tyler Hundley at twenty

1067
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,919
Speaker 1: seven hundred yards and and only six touchdown and only

1068
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: sixteen touchdown passes, which is I mean, I mean only

1069
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,479
Speaker 1: it was tied with Jaden Daniels. Oh no, no, I'm sorry,

1070
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: he was behind Jade Daniels. So he was the through

1071
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: the ninth most touchdown passes as well. I mean Lil

1072
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: Tate almost throw as many as he did. Yeah, And

1073
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: so here's the deal. They're doing this whole Huntley for

1074
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: Heisman campaign, and it's cute. You know, he's he definitely

1075
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: deserves more recognition than he's getting. I'm not sure the

1076
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: way to get that recognition is to overshoot the mark

1077
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: so hard that you end up getting laughed at. If

1078
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: Tyler Huntley was to win the Heisman, it would be

1079
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: like giving the best middle reliever in baseball, um the

1080
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: Cy Young You know, just because he's got the best

1081
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: whip and the best e r A. You know, it

1082
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: doesn't He's not a starter and he's not a closer.

1083
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: He's an excellent player. They're having a really good year

1084
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: because of him. You can also make the argument that

1085
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: he's like the fifth best player on this team, Zack

1086
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: Zack Moss and then carrying the low man. Yeah. Yeah,

1087
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: And so so the way that I look at this is,

1088
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: you know, I get why they're doing it, and I

1089
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: appreciate them for it, and he does deserve recognition, But

1090
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to see him show up in New

1091
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: York and be the number five year to the number

1092
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: five uh in in Heisman votes and get embarrassed to

1093
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: the point where you know it was it wasn't even close,

1094
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, And would they just be happy to just

1095
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: have him in New York maybe or whatever? But I mean,

1096
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: he I think I had tweeted before the game. I

1097
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: was like, Hey, Tyler Huntley, if he throws for five

1098
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: hundred yards a game and rushes for two hundred yards

1099
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: a game, he'll still finish the season six hundred passing

1100
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: yards short and three hundred rushing yards short of where

1101
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray was last year who's the eyes of winner.

1102
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: So it's like he's just not in the same league

1103
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: as a Joe Burrow or I mean I watched the

1104
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: field the touchdown. Then, boy, that's a guy that you're

1105
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: not winning in. You're not You're not winning by with

1106
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: him according to the system. You're winning because he is

1107
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: better than even the system. And so you know, it's

1108
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: really to me it comes down to Burrow or Fields

1109
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: or hurts Um. And then you know the fact that

1110
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: you can even mention Tyler Huntley in the same breath

1111
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: as far as team success, I think is important enough

1112
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: to Utah. But I also don't think I don't think

1113
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: any but he should be out there making realistic arguments

1114
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: that he's deserving of the Heisman. They should Kyle Whittingham

1115
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: maybe when coach of the year nationally perhaps you know,

1116
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: should could Tyler Huntly be in consideration for like Pat twelve? Yeah,

1117
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: and I and you and I feel similar to that.

1118
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,439
Speaker 1: But if even Zack Moss is in on the whole

1119
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: Tyler Huntly thing, then you know who's to stop Utah

1120
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: from giving all that love just to the quarterback. But so,

1121
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's he's been excellent. They should

1122
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: be proud of him. Statistically, he's the most efficient guy

1123
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: out there. Um, he deserves a ton of praise for

1124
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: for his effort. Um, but the things you like. Give

1125
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: a guy a quarterback of Heisman Trophy that's not running

1126
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: the triple option, that has multiple games under twenty passing attempts,

1127
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and he only has

1128
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: sixteen passing touchdowns on the season. That doesn't mean that

1129
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: he's not having a fantastic year because he he's making

1130
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: plays like he's making special plays. When the team needs him,

1131
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: he will have a scramble, converted third down, get a

1132
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: pass off, throw a touchdown pass. I mean, he's doing

1133
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: great things. So there's nothing taken away from him but

1134
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: a Heisman candidate. Yeah, nah nah. And and also if

1135
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: you wanted the campaign, you should have started like five

1136
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: months ago, right And to close the door. To close

1137
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 1: the door on Colorado season. You know, it's amazing that

1138
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: they go five and seven for two years in a row.

1139
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: But how much better people feel about the direction of

1140
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: the program right now than they felt in the middle

1141
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: of their seven game skid at the end of the

1142
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: season on last year. Um, melt Tucker is doing something special.

1143
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: He does have the ability to recruit. He does have

1144
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: recruits excited. I think they just lost their quarterback commitment

1145
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 1: to a D commitment recently. But uh still, the class

1146
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: seems to be filling up really well. There seems to

1147
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: be a lot of excitement and buzz around that program.

1148
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: And depending on what happens with the rest of the

1149
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: pack twelve South next year, there's there's no reason to

1150
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: think that if they don't find somebody to take over

1151
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: for Steven Montes, that they can't be competitive. And an

1152
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: interesting career comes so close for Steven Montes. He was

1153
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: a he was a big body, he was he was efficient.

1154
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: I think he deserves to go back. Um, you know,

1155
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: he broke a bunch of school records. He deserves to

1156
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: go down in history. Is one of the better uh

1157
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: see you quarterbacks. You know they've they've had a lot

1158
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: of success at quarterback, um, going from Cepo Loofau to

1159
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: Stephen Montes. But that just goes to show you, like,

1160
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: it's not about your quarterback. You have to have other

1161
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: pieces in place. They're going to really have to focus

1162
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: on shoring up that defense if they want to be competitive.

1163
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: In this car. Yeah, yeah, there. You cannot win in

1164
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve without a good defense because the offenses

1165
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: are so capable of scoring points. And I agree with

1166
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: you on everything that Mail Tucker is doing and how

1167
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: this five and seventh season looks so much better than

1168
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: last year, partly because there was expectation because they were

1169
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: five and out and then you lose seven straight games

1170
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: and then but this year, that Washington win I thought

1171
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: was crucial. That Washington win changed the entire trajectory of

1172
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: how people feel about about this team. And going forward,

1173
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: Mail Tucker is obviously you know, he's going to be

1174
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 1: dangerous in the Pack Pack twelve, which is going to

1175
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: which ironically hurts the Pack twelve on some on some levels,

1176
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: because if you're the Pack twelve, you want your conference

1177
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: to look just like the Big Ten and like the

1178
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: um SEC. You want some really really good teams, like

1179
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: some top tier teams who are going to destroy everybody

1180
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: else in the conference, and then some really good team

1181
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: and then some other good teams who won't lose to

1182
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: the bad teams in the conference. So so you have

1183
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: you know, uh, multiple so you so you have teams

1184
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: that go, you know, two teams that go eleven and

1185
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: one or eleven and one tendingto like Oregon and Utah.

1186
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: But then if you bump up you USC to a

1187
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 1: nine and three team or A and then bump up

1188
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: like um, you know U c l A or Arizona

1189
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: State or Washington up to a ninety three team too.

1190
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: That makes the conference look much much better, I think.

1191
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: And then you can and then you can have you know,

1192
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: bad teams there too, like teams that I mean, because

1193
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,440
Speaker 1: then in the SEC, there's rooms for there's room for Missouri,

1194
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: there's room for Tennessee, there's room for Vanderbilt. Those things

1195
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: are necessary to have the top of your conference at

1196
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 1: least appear even stronger. Yeah, and also as in there,

1197
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: lesa chanal is uh is somebody who UM maybe had

1198
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: a down year, but he's shown that he can get

1199
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 1: banged up a little bit, which is exact of the

1200
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: reason why I think we'll see him move on, because

1201
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: you know, you only really curious to see what NFL

1202
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: team picks him up and how they choose to to

1203
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 1: make use of him. He's a really in touchdown of

1204
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: his college career, but it felt like it's so much

1205
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: more than UM and I'm really to see him, does

1206
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: about my second round pick or something like that, but

1207
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: somebody could put him on special team. I think he'll

1208
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: be an immediate impactful player. Yeah, he's gonna be a

1209
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 1: good NFL player, I I believe. And he should have

1210
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: a good career as well. I think Lavici should not.

1211
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 1: We will be hearing more about him on Sunday than

1212
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 1: even we heard about him on Saturday. You got Arizona

1213
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: and Arizona State. Um, I know that you were heavily

1214
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: invested in in this game because you've got the Arizona

1215
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: amasdn's Arizona Amasdon Wildcats and you have the the Arizona

1216
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 1: Ralphis the Sun Devils because you you cover down there,

1217
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 1: you know all the players, you you know personally and

1218
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: all of that. What was your take on this game?

1219
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: Because it wasn't just it wasn't as decided as it

1220
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 1: was weird because I was watching it and it felt

1221
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: like Arizona State had control of the game, but that

1222
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: Arizona could have been a player too away from from

1223
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: catching up or winning the game. Yeah, weird game. Arizona

1224
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,719
Speaker 1: State had four trips to the red zone in which

1225
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 1: it was you know, three field goals and then them

1226
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 1: taking a knee in victory formation at the end there

1227
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: or else it could have really gotten out of hand.

1228
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: But you never really feel like you're you know that

1229
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: they weren't producing on offense. They were, Um, it took

1230
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 1: him a really long time to get you know, Benjamin going,

1231
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: and then he just took over the game in the

1232
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 1: second half. They weren't going down field with Jade Daniels

1233
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 1: the way that they did against Oregon. Probably part of

1234
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: the reason why a lot of the offensive staff was

1235
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: relieved of their duties the morning after this game is

1236
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: because there's just been a lack of consistency as far

1237
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,720
Speaker 1: as what the offense is able to produce. But one

1238
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:54,719
Speaker 1: thing that they have gotten better at is they're getting

1239
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 1: more production out of the offensive line. They're figuring out

1240
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 1: how to use you know, Benjamin with this young offensive line. Um.

1241
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,679
Speaker 1: You know, Frank Derby did his thing where he drops

1242
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 1: one big pass a game. Uh, he got that out

1243
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 1: of the way, but he did draw two very important

1244
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: past interference calls that led to some points for a

1245
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: s U. UM. What it comes down to is Arizona

1246
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: is just a bad football team right now. Uh, there's

1247
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: not really anything they could have done. I mean, a

1248
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: SU tried to help them stay in that game early

1249
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: on and it still didn't work. Um. Arizona's got a

1250
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: lot of work to do, UM to improve, and a

1251
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: s U has got a lot of work to do

1252
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: to make sure that they're maximizing the talent that they

1253
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: put on the field. This game wasn't a surprise. It

1254
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: didn't you know, it wasn't gonna be a uh, it

1255
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna be a situation where you know, you have

1256
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: a was going to get to go to a bowl

1257
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: game anyway. UM. But for Arizona State, you know, I

1258
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 1: think it was important for them to get that third

1259
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: win in a row over and that keeps the fanning.

1260
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: Because let go of Todd Graham, who won twenty eight

1261
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,759
Speaker 1: games in his first three years, for a coach who

1262
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 1: and you let him go after beating Arizona UM in

1263
01:11:57,720 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 1: his sixth year and he went to a bowl game.

1264
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: I've adam six years and you let him go for

1265
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:04,879
Speaker 1: a coach who has back to back seven win seasons.

1266
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 1: But you want to make sure if you're only gonna

1267
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 1: win seven games, that you cap it off with a

1268
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: win over your hated rival. And so that's very, very

1269
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 1: important for Arizona State fans, And it's let it's let

1270
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 1: a lot of Arizona State fans sort of digest a

1271
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 1: season in which they lost to some very bad teams

1272
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: like u c L A Colorado and u c L

1273
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: A uh, but also beat Oregon, a ranked cow team

1274
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,679
Speaker 1: and a ranked Michigan State team. Um, it's it's letting them,

1275
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, feel a little bit better about how confusing

1276
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: this season has been. Yeah, but does doesn't it feel

1277
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, like it Colorado with mel Tucker that the

1278
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:44,560
Speaker 1: aero feels up on Arizona State because of Jaden Daniels.

1279
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: The recruiting seems to be going well, like it like

1280
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 1: it seems like there's a plan and it and it

1281
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 1: is being executed. Yes, I think so. The Jaden Daniels thing,

1282
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, you're talking about a quarterback who has two

1283
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 1: interceptions on the year and he's thrown over three passes. Um,

1284
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 1: I don't think Arizona State has ever seen anything like him.

1285
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:09,600
Speaker 1: And you know you've got Andrew Walter, Jake Plumb. He

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01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: got a lot of really good quarterbacks in Arizona States history. Um,

1287
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: you know, Manny Wilkins was even a three year starter,

1288
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 1: who who who did some you know, pretty decent things

1289
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 1: for a s U. But it's very very evident that

1290
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 1: Jade Daniels is special. He has to be protected at

1291
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 1: all costs by this staff, which is another reason why

1292
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,440
Speaker 1: I think they're going all in on finding maybe some

1293
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 1: some better fits as far as the offensive and position

1294
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 1: coaches and everything like that. UM. So, yeah, there is

1295
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: definitely some optimism there, um, but also the realization that

1296
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: they lost to three teams that they probably should have beat.

1297
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 1: And that's you know that that that goes along with it.

1298
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: Is it Herm Edward's fault that they played to the

1299
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 1: level of their competition, you know? Or was it the

1300
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 1: fact that, yeah they did where they they've won a

1301
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: few games that they probably shouldn't have. Um. And part

1302
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 1: of that's just the home field advantage. But you know,

1303
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 1: they went out to Lansing and they and and and

1304
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 1: they managed to get it done out there too. So

1305
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 1: who knows, Man, I cover this team as closely as

1306
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 1: you know anybody out here, and I don't I don't

1307
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 1: really know what to I don't really know what to say.

1308
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: There's definitely a lot of things that that should be

1309
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: looked upon positively, but you still have to bring a

1310
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 1: critical eye to it because the results are the results

1311
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, and it's still just

1312
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 1: another seven win season. That's very true. The last game

1313
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 1: that wrapped up in the Back twelve was the Cow

1314
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 1: Golden Bears U c l A eight t UM. I

1315
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: will note again U c l A won four games

1316
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 1: this year, Ralph, four games when you predicted one. I

1317
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: wish they had gotten into a bowl game that I

1318
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 1: could really spike the football, but they did not. Um. Yeah,

1319
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 1: I thought the biggest note from this game was how

1320
01:14:56,040 --> 01:15:00,120
Speaker 1: big of a difference, how much different Cow looks with

1321
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:04,799
Speaker 1: Chase Garber's at quarterback. They finished seven and five, and

1322
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: if Chase Garber's have been healthy, it John Wilner's suspicion

1323
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 1: that they could have won the Pack twelve North doesn't

1324
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 1: seem that far fetched at this point. I mean, you're yeah,

1325
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 1: you're right, You're absolutely right. And I like Chase Garber's.

1326
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 1: I don't put as much stock in him as a

1327
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 1: quarterback as you know, maybe maybe you do. I think that,

1328
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, there are other quarterbacks that, even by Cow's

1329
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: on admission that they probably rather have. There's some really

1330
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: good freshman and in the league this year that showed

1331
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 1: the ability to throw the ball. But he's just me.

1332
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: He's a leader, he's you can just watch him progress.

1333
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: He's an easy kid to root for um and just

1334
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 1: the differences night and day when he's on the field

1335
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 1: versus when he's not on the field. So I do

1336
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 1: want to give a shout out to Brett Johnson. And

1337
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 1: he doesn't listen to this or care about, uh, you know,

1338
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 1: anything really at all, but he you know, he had

1339
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 1: a huge sack of DTR last night, tossed him over

1340
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 1: the midfield logo, and I had tweeted. I was like,

1341
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:04,719
Speaker 1: Brett Johnson is gonna be a future star, and Cow's

1342
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 1: recruiting coordinator quote tweeting me, said no, he's a star

1343
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 1: right now, and I was like, oh, that's all well

1344
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 1: and good, But I mean, like Cam Jordan's paychecks, NFL

1345
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl type star. I don't mean college star. I

1346
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 1: think that Brett Johnson is gonna be a future NFL

1347
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 1: first round pick. And it's cool to see him finally

1348
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 1: getting out there and getting some stats. Yeah, I'm looking

1349
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: at Chase Garber's finished with two third touchdown in a

1350
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 1: pig and he clearly wasn't ready to play last year,

1351
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 1: but he was thrust into playing. This year, he's been

1352
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 1: significantly better and even won the Stanford game, making some

1353
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: big plays and throws with his legs and um some

1354
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 1: some throws and runs to win the game. And I'm

1355
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 1: just sitting there, like, next year, I expect Chase Garbers

1356
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 1: to be a pretty dog one good quarterback. I mean

1357
01:16:57,960 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 1: when when you look at he's clearly a kid who

1358
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 1: work so in his game. And if he's better than

1359
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: he was this year, if he's ten percent better, that's

1360
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: a big deal. I mean even ten twelve percent better.

1361
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 1: That's gonna put Cal in a position to where if

1362
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 1: they can reload the secondary on defense and replace a linebacker,

1363
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,720
Speaker 1: this this is gonna be another really tough team to

1364
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 1: do with. Yeah, they're They're Cal is a team probably

1365
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 1: probably from the Pack twelve that I'm most interested to

1366
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 1: see what they do bowl wise, because it feels like

1367
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 1: their style matches up well against anybody. If they're gonna

1368
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: do that thing where they get two hundred yards rushing

1369
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 1: two hundred yards for passing, Uh, they're gonna be formidable

1370
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: against anyone. And I'm we're Evan Weaver. It's gonna be

1371
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 1: good to see him have one last go against problem.

1372
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 1: I'm assuming they'll will line up against the talented offense.

1373
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 1: But wherever they end up, that's gonna be a bowl

1374
01:17:56,920 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 1: game that I'm really didn't watch for for sure because

1375
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 1: US they have showed up out of conference. They did

1376
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 1: beat old Mess already. They they are a team who

1377
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 1: represents when they go and play other teams. Uh So,

1378
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 1: so that's it for the UM for all the games.

1379
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 1: But I wanted to touch super super quick on the

1380
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 1: recruiting with the conference because I think that that is

1381
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 1: a big deal because I always say that you have

1382
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 1: to whether you retain a coach, get rid of a coach,

1383
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,759
Speaker 1: any of that, that it should be based upon the hope,

1384
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: like how much hope can you sell for the future

1385
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 1: and all of that. And I look at you know,

1386
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: teams like Oregon. Oregon can sell hope right now. I

1387
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 1: think Washington can sell hope, still sell sell hope to

1388
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: kids because they have a they have one of the

1389
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 1: top Washington is sitting at number depending on which rankings

1390
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 1: that you look look at there in the mid teens,

1391
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen. As far as recruiting, Oregon

1392
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: sitting around nine or ten, well not nine through eleven,

1393
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 1: depending on where you look at. And you have after that,

1394
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 1: you got Stanford, Colorado is doing well recruiting, so's U C.

1395
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 1: L A. And Arizona State. And I mean it's just

1396
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 1: I don't understand, like, like how USC is sitting at

1397
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 1: number eleven because they could recruit when they were on probation,

1398
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 1: So how can't they recruit now, Ralph, Because I know

1399
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:38,759
Speaker 1: your ears to the street with all these uh college,

1400
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: with all these high school kids, it's really simple. They

1401
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: don't know if Clay is going to be there or not.

1402
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 1: And you know it's not like the kids unionized and

1403
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 1: feel like they can force the issue or anything like

1404
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 1: that on on his hiring or firing. But when everybody's

1405
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, some guys gonna be gone, and

1406
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:06,680
Speaker 1: they're they're recruiting bases in that state in southern California,

1407
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 1: then you have a bunch of you know, handlers and

1408
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 1: high school coaches and parents who are basically telling their kids,

1409
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 1: you know, hold off or look for something that's going

1410
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 1: to be more stable. Um. And you know, you have

1411
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 1: kids committing to places where they know that they want

1412
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 1: to go to us. See what they're committing elsewhere, you know.

1413
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 1: That's what you had Brue McCoy go to Texas and

1414
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 1: then immediately come back. That's why you had Chris Steele,

1415
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, get his commitment to USC leaked and then

1416
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,679
Speaker 1: decided to go elsewhere and then immediately want to come back.

1417
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 1: And so you know, these kids want to go to USC,

1418
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 1: they want to play where Reggie Bush played. They just

1419
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,560
Speaker 1: want to know who it is that they're going to

1420
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 1: be playing for, which, in my opinion, is stupid and shortsight, like,

1421
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 1: just go play for the school you want to play for.

1422
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 1: Forget who who the coach is going to be, because

1423
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 1: even if they do get somebody that you like, chances

1424
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 1: are that person is going to be gone in three

1425
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 1: or four years anyway, you know. And so uh it's

1426
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 1: see see I kind of side. I think that you

1427
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 1: have to measure both things because if you are a

1428
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:09,639
Speaker 1: you know, if you are a I think on defense

1429
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 1: it's a little bit easier, But if you are a quarterback,

1430
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 1: then you want to know what kind of style of

1431
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 1: play that this guy is gonna bring in or if

1432
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 1: he if he's willing to adjust to your skill set.

1433
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 1: And if you are you know, if you're a running back.

1434
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 1: And if you're a big two pound running back and

1435
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:32,679
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly comes in, that's not where you want to be,

1436
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, yeah, he did it with Lea

1437
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 1: Garrett Blunt, but you know that's not his typical m O.

1438
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 1: So I do think that that's a little bit important.

1439
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 1: And also you know, but but you can't change You

1440
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: can't go to a school just for a coach either. Yeah,

1441
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 1: I think it gets up well. I mean, and you're

1442
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 1: you're starting to see some of the some of the

1443
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 1: dominoes fall a s you thinks they're in a good

1444
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 1: position with some of these kids. Um, you know, depending

1445
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 1: on what USC does, we'll see if they're in a

1446
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 1: good position to close out their recruiting class. Some you know,

1447
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:05,760
Speaker 1: some chips are falling for Utah. They got a kid

1448
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 1: named Kane Savage at Anaheim that I'm a big fan of.

1449
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: But you know, you just had no Ah Seuel commit

1450
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,799
Speaker 1: to Oregon. Doesn't get much bigger than that, which reminds

1451
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 1: me Piney School is going to be going up against

1452
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 1: Nifei School in the Pac twelve Championships, So it's all

1453
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 1: about the Seuel family right now. In the Pac twelve

1454
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 1: UM and UH and and you've got some really really

1455
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:28,600
Speaker 1: big time recruits that you want to see if you

1456
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: can try to keep home. You know, it didn't work

1457
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 1: for d j Ouaga Lele, but you know, justin Flow

1458
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 1: is still available and if Oregon can find a way

1459
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 1: to pull him. And I know that USC and a

1460
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 1: s u uh are supposedly not alive in this but

1461
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:45,600
Speaker 1: they they believe that they still have a chance to

1462
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 1: get his ear. If you can keep some of those

1463
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: elite kids home, it will help drive this conference and

1464
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 1: make it worthwhile to watch for years. And so so

1465
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 1: where do you see the recruiting not not not necessarily

1466
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 1: the UM you know, like what keyds are going going where?

1467
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 1: But where do you foresee the recruiting classes finishing for

1468
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 1: these teams, for them for the pactwelcom Well, there are

1469
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 1: some teams that have so many spots open um that

1470
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 1: you're gonna it'll be interesting to see just how they

1471
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 1: fill out. USC being one of them, Utah being another.

1472
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 1: Utah's got a bunch of spots open. They haven't really

1473
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 1: secured very many commitments at all, and they have a

1474
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 1: chance to play for national championship, So that'll be really

1475
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 1: interesting to see how, if at all they're recruiting is

1476
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 1: influenced by how far they get into into this whole deal. Um.

1477
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't really foresee too many drastic changes.

1478
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:47,760
Speaker 1: USC is going to jump up to probably maybe fit

1479
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 1: or sixth just based on the number of recruits they

1480
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 1: get towards the end um. But as it stands right now,

1481
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,560
Speaker 1: this is a you know, this is a class that

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Speaker 1: that you know, or Oregon is probably gonna absolutely run

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Speaker 1: away with A or is the PAC twelve And you

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Speaker 1: might see a surprise from a s U. You might

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Speaker 1: see them finished number two in the conference if they

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Speaker 1: can finish strong. How about how about Chip Kelly and U. C.

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Speaker 1: L A. They have their system, they have their weird system,

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Speaker 1: their weird way of doing things, and they believe that

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Speaker 1: it works. Um, they should be toward the middle of

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Speaker 1: the pack as far as the overall recruiting rankings. But

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Speaker 1: by next year you should start to see some of

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Speaker 1: the pay dividends um with just the people who have

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Speaker 1: been in that system for a while, who they've been

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Speaker 1: able to get bigger in the weight room. And it'll

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Speaker 1: be interesting to see if they make any coaching decisions

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Speaker 1: because if everybody else is there might be some pressure

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Speaker 1: on them to do it as well. And just just

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Speaker 1: on the wire, I just saw that, um, that Graham

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Speaker 1: Harrow may be interested in leaving USC to be Texas

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. Oh man, that you've got another guy who

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Speaker 1: who left Pack twelve country. Well, if you guys who

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Speaker 1: left Pack twelve country to go out there and be

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Speaker 1: at you know, at Texas, I'm not sure if that

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Speaker 1: would cause Bijon Robinson to jump from being committed to

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Speaker 1: Texas to being committed to Ohio State because a five

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Speaker 1: star running backs might not want to play um for

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Speaker 1: Graham Harrold after watching what all the USC's running backs

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Speaker 1: did this year. So that could be huge, huge, huge

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Speaker 1: for Ohio State. Um, but it could also be really

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Speaker 1: really huge for a guy like Jake Smith, who scored

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Speaker 1: I think seven touchdowns was a true freshman after being

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Speaker 1: the National Gateade Player of the Year out of the

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Speaker 1: state of Arizona. So um, but you also might have

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Speaker 1: I mean you that might bring USC back in on

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Speaker 1: Jean Robinson. You never know. Wow, this is gonna be interesting.

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Speaker 1: You guys are listening to the Pack twelve apostles. Thank

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Speaker 1: you guys for your time Thank you for your energy,

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Speaker 1: peace Out and catch you guys later.