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Speaker 1: Other folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Wednesday, January fourteenth, and some breaking developments on

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Speaker 2: a story that has really been fast moving over the

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Speaker 2: past several days. We just watched actor Timothy busfil make

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Speaker 2: his first court appearance on child's sex abuse charges. He

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Speaker 2: was wearing an orange jail jumpsuit and that will remain

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Speaker 2: his outfit and he ain't getting out of jail soon.

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Speaker 1: With that, Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes.

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Speaker 2: We just watched this as of this recording just wrapped

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Speaker 2: up within the past ten minutes. And I say, he's

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Speaker 2: They want him to stay in jail, and we're going

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Speaker 2: to get into why they think he is such a threat.

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Speaker 2: But Robes, it was something to see him come into

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Speaker 2: that today.

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Speaker 3: It really was.

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Speaker 4: We watched him walk in this actor that we've all

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Speaker 4: seen on camera for decades now, just to see him

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Speaker 4: in that orange jumpsuit in such a humbling position and yes,

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Speaker 4: to hear him denied bail. He will be behind bars

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Speaker 4: at least until his next hearing, which they said has

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Speaker 4: to take place within five business days, so he could

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Speaker 4: be in prison for the next what week, almost at

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Speaker 4: this point until he has his first hearing. But in

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Speaker 4: addition to all of this today him being denied bond,

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Speaker 4: there are also new allegations he's dealing with.

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Speaker 2: That popped up from the court filing, and the court

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Speaker 2: filing there are some parts of it we are going

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Speaker 2: to read verbatim that are just damning and are not

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Speaker 2: painting this as an isolated incident, but robes painting him

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Speaker 2: as a repeat offender, a pedophile.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, the Albuquerque DA this was a scathing file

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Speaker 4: that she entered into the court today leading up to

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Speaker 4: this bond hearing and asking the judge to deny him bail.

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Speaker 3: She said he was a serious.

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Speaker 4: And ongoing danger, and she pointed out some of the

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Speaker 4: reasons behind why the state of New Mexico did not

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Speaker 4: want to see him get bond. They said that because

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Speaker 4: he didn't immediately surrender, because he was on the LAMB

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Speaker 4: for five days, they said, taking his time, doing it

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Speaker 3: They said he should have surrendered immediately.

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Speaker 4: And they also they didn't like that video he made

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Speaker 2: And he will not, folks, So Timothy Buzsfield And again

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Speaker 2: we were watching on a live feed that was coming

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Speaker 2: it was all done. The judge wasn't. It was all

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Speaker 2: done virtually. So the attorneys appeared, I mean, imagine the

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Speaker 2: and we kept hearing people called up right, the accused,

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Speaker 2: But when he walked in, it was unmistakable who it was.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you could just in the grainy video in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a serial surreal moment to see him

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Speaker 3: He did not speak. His attorney spoke for him.

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Speaker 4: But you actually noticed when just after the judge denied

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Speaker 2: He whipped around and I think the the bailiff or

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Speaker 2: And can't blame him necessarily for that. But this Timothy

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Speaker 2: I mean ropes, this is it didn't feel I'm meant

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Speaker 3: Yes, and now there are reports of.

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Speaker 4: Law enforcement going through busting into their home upstate. So

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Speaker 4: to all of a sudden, now new allegations he's being

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Speaker 3: Now it all feels much different.

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Speaker 2: And again, facing two counts now of inappropriate contact with

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Speaker 1: And this is.

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Speaker 2: This is jaw dropping stuff. This is not just a

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 4: And of note in the paragraph above the conclusion, that

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Speaker 4: Timothy Bussfield did to his sixteen year old daughter not

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Speaker 4: repeated sexual touching of the victim's intimate areas, combined with

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Speaker 4: This conduct demonstrates that the defendant poses a serious and

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Speaker 2: This Emmy winning actor should not be anywhere close to

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Speaker 3: Serious and ongoing danger.

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Speaker 1: This is incredible.

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Speaker 2: This thing goes on to say the danger posed by

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Speaker 2: the defendant is further amplified by his conduct after learning

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Speaker 2: the defendant did not immediately surrender to law enforcement. Instead,

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Speaker 2: he delayed for approximately five days, traveling from New York

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Speaker 2: an act, Excuse me, This was not an act of cooperation.

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Speaker 2: It was a calculated decision to submit to law enforcement

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Speaker 1: Now they just.

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Speaker 4: Sound pissed, right, and then she goes on more troubling.

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Speaker 4: Prior to surrendering, the defendant chose to record and disseminate

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Speaker 4: only when it suits him, rather than out of respect

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Speaker 3: Or the rule of law.

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Speaker 1: It goes on.

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Speaker 2: The defendant's history of alleged sexual misconducts spanning more than

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Speaker 1: The delay and.

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Speaker 2: Limited cooperation by Warner Brothers in responding to a surge

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Speaker 4: Wow Wow, I mean through Warner Brothers under the bus

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Speaker 3: And so they say.

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Speaker 4: Research and experience consistently show that when offenders wield authority, status,

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Speaker 4: defendant's demonstrated disregard for boundaries, authority, and compliance. No condition

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Speaker 3: Accordingly, the only.

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Speaker 1: They're saying trial.

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Speaker 3: They want him behind bars.

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Speaker 2: At trial, not even talking about a possible bond hearing,

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Speaker 2: which is what he's going to get, right in fiverars.

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Speaker 2: He's going to get that so he'll get a chance

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Speaker 4: They are asking for him to potentially be behind bars

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Speaker 1: Less for a trial to happen. Romes.

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Speaker 2: That's I mean, what do they They must think they

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Speaker 2: But they've been accused in times before, having to deal

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Speaker 2: I say it escalated quickly to the rumblings about it,

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Speaker 2: and then now the marshals are looking for him, and

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Speaker 3: It did in no time.

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Speaker 2: And you just mentioned a moment ago. Yes, a lot

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Speaker 2: of headlines, folks. You're going to see that there's another

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Speaker 2: this because of what is actually in the court filing.

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Speaker 2: We will go through next what a sixteen year old

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Speaker 2: is saying Timothy Bussfield did to her.

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Speaker 1: Stay here.

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Speaker 2: We'll continue now on Amy and TJ. Just a short

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Speaker 2: time ago. Yeah, short of this recording Timothy Busfield, we

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Speaker 2: But he is accused, of course by two boys, twin

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Speaker 2: They weren't talking about an isolated incident. They said it

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Speaker 4: His answer that has been released when he was questioned

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Speaker 4: basically a lot of tickling. Yes, there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: Weird and it just seemed and sounded fishy. It just did.

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Speaker 2: That's yeah, there's no other way to put in. What

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was bumbling around deciding whether or not he

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Speaker 3: That sounds like me. That sounds like something I would do.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's little disturbing in and of itself, But what

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Speaker 4: the warrant for his arrest was issued on January ninth,

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Speaker 4: and that is when headlines came around. Well, according to

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Speaker 3: I thought that was interesting.

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Speaker 4: Went to law enforcement on January thirteenth, So this is

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Speaker 4: reported that his daughter was sexually abused by Timothy Busfield.

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Speaker 4: He said that that occurred several years ago by the

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Speaker 4: because yes, that's horrible, But then they say the defendant

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Speaker 4: that time that was the best thing to do. But

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Speaker 2: He hasn't been convicted of anything over the years, right,

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Speaker 2: that's always worth noting. It's worth noting that he says

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Speaker 2: of any of it. I should also note that his wife,

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Speaker 2: this is where we are robes. But this thing happened

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Speaker 2: for me, he has to.

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Speaker 4: Have by next Wednesday. He has to have his bond hearing.

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Speaker 4: So they said within five business days. It could be tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Who knows what sort of pull his attorney may have

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Speaker 4: you read with this DA asked of this judge to

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Speaker 4: consider when it came to bond, it sounds like they

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Speaker 4: are going to put full pressure on the court to

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Speaker 4: keep him behind bars for all the reasons they outlined.

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Speaker 2: Well, all right, folks, this is one we wanted to

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Speaker 2: hop on and give you the update as soon as

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Speaker 2: we got it. But this is one we'll keep an

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Speaker 2: It seems I've always always appreciate you spending some time

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Speaker 2: with us on TJ Holt.

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Speaker 1: It's on behalf of Amy roboch. We won't talk to you.

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Speaker 4: Also, the two Sens