1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:01,320 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 2: I'm Buzzsnight and welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 3 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 2: Today I'm going to be talking with somebody who is 4 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 2: carved out one of the most fearless and fascinating careers 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: in Hollywood. She's an actress, a musician, a writer. He's 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 2: had iconic film roles in movies like Bound based off 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 2: Cocktail and Showgirls. She's appeared on Broadway. She's been in 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: rock bands. She's already written books before, but now she's 9 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: adding a new book to her resume called Alpha Pussy 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 2: and Trust Me. It's as bold and unapologetic as she is. 11 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: I can't wait to talk with Gina Gershan next. I'm 12 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 2: taking a Walk, Taking a Walk. Gina Gershan, Welcome to 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 2: the Taking a Walk Podcast. It's an honor to have 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: you here. 15 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 3: Thank you, nice to be here. 16 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 2: I love the book. It's got a great vibe to it, 17 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: Alpha Pussy. The adolescent years are, to me are a 18 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: cross between the Lord of the Flies and mean Girls, 19 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 2: maybe with a dash of stand by me. Is that 20 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 2: a fair take? 21 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I think so. Lord of the Flies. That's 22 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: pretty scary, you know, sure, why not? It's got a 23 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: little bit of everything in it. I suppose. 24 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: It definitely does. It keeps you on your toes for sure. 25 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 2: The book, you pay homage to your mom, Mickey, tell 26 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 2: us what those last days that you spent with your 27 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: mom meant to you. They were a very emotional part 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: of the story. 29 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's funny. I wasn't really ever planning 30 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: on putting that part of the you know, it didn't 31 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 3: really fit what I was going through or was aiming 32 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 3: for thematically. And yet you know, during COVID, you know, 33 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 3: and then she got so and I was in Los Angeles, 34 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 3: so I actually had, you know, the last few years, 35 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 3: spent quite a bit of time with her, and which 36 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: really proved to be a blessing because she was you know, 37 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 3: she couldn't really go out, so we just kind of 38 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 3: hung out and talked quite a bit, and she was 39 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 3: quite vulnerable and not guarded, as was I, I suppose, 40 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 3: And you know, I just found it really interesting that 41 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 3: that whole story with the president of the Girls League, 42 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 3: you know, really kind of came out of nowhere, and 43 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 3: somehow it just really stayed with me, and then it 44 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 3: was really just wind it popped my head. I'm like, 45 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 3: oh my god, Like she was such an alpha pussy 46 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 3: everything she did, and I realized I started the whole 47 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 3: book with you know, being inside of her, you know, 48 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 3: like she didn't know she was pregnant and all that, 49 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 3: and I just thought, oh wow, this kind of goes 50 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 3: full circle. And you know, listen, it's not how to 51 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,119 Speaker 3: book or an advice book, but I think the only 52 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 3: advice I really give, and I give it to anyone 53 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 3: because I've really proven it to be true, is you know, 54 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: know your parents and know what is your relationship with 55 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 3: them and what their relationship is with their parents. Because 56 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 3: in between all of that, you know and their shadows, 57 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 3: and sometimes you're caring things that you don't realize that's 58 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: not yours, that's theirs. That you have issues that you 59 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: don't know why this thing is going on, but you'll 60 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 3: find the answers in your parents, you know, And sometimes 61 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: that's so hard. But it was very lucky. And then 62 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: I realized that my healing her and her telling me 63 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 3: these stories, it released something in her and then it 64 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 3: like released it in me as well, which was really 65 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 3: unexpected and beautiful, and it just made its way as 66 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 3: I was writing it. At the end, it just started 67 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 3: coming out of me. Everything else with stories I was 68 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: telling and it was the kind of thing in real 69 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 3: time that was coming out. I don't know, I just 70 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 3: thought I'm putting it in. It didn't seem to make sense, 71 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 3: but then it did make sense. Do you know what 72 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 3: I mean. That's a very long answer. 73 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: It makes total sense. And I'm so glad that you 74 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: went there, because life is so precious and so fast, 75 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: and then suddenly a parent reaches the end of the line. There. 76 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it's advice that you're necessarily given, but 77 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: I guess it is to know your your parents and 78 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 2: what they stand for, and maybe what their parents stood 79 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: for is such an important thing for a generation. I 80 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 2: think to hear you know. 81 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 3: And it's not I think it's even more than what 82 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 3: they stood for. I think it's like interpersonal dynamics. You know, 83 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 3: there's that whole family structure thing. I get what they 84 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 3: call it. I mean, I remember when I was doing 85 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 3: you know, acting classes with my teacher, my best teacher, 86 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 3: Sondra Siekat. We didn't really do scenes. I remember there 87 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 3: was this there was a class called the family and 88 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 3: you literally, you know, you do your first dinner table 89 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 3: scene you remember, and your last and it's very interesting 90 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 3: you acted out and it was like all the dynamics 91 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: that you had then you still had now, you know, 92 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 3: and it's very subtle. Some were not so subtle. But 93 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 3: I learned a lot during that. I learned, you know, 94 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 3: about myself and about how I dealt with other people. 95 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 3: Part being to me in alpha pussy, you know, is 96 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 3: just knowing who you are and where you stand and 97 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 3: or how you feel about things. If you're uncomfortable, just 98 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 3: to taking your own power back and not let people 99 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 3: push you around or tell you what to do. You 100 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 3: have to kind of know yourself, you know, as an artist, 101 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 3: as a person. I think it's just really important to 102 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 3: figure that stuff out. 103 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 2: You know, your career has been so diverse, a film, TV, Broadway, 104 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 2: music writing. When you look back at that young girl 105 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: starting out in Hollywood, what do you think she would 106 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: be most surprised by? 107 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 3: What would I be most surprised by? I would be 108 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 3: surprised and kind of relieved that maybe it's because I 109 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 3: came from a family of a lot of musicians, or 110 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 3: is music all around me? And I saw how serious 111 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 3: everyone took it. I didn't take it lightly. So to me, 112 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 3: it's like what you do you really fully do and 113 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 3: even though I love music, at the time, I'm like, no, 114 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be a serious actress. I need to really 115 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 3: just focus on that. And I think I gave up 116 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 3: music a little bit at an early age just because 117 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: it was also a different time. You know, now you 118 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 3: could do everything then you like are you acting or 119 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 3: are you dancing? Are you singing? You know, and I 120 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 3: wanted to be so serious, so I kind of gave 121 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 3: that up. So I think I would have been relieved 122 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: that I found my way back at times to music, 123 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 3: because you know, it's just what's more fun than music. 124 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 3: Maybe it's just a getting older thing. It's just like 125 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 3: whatever kind of floats my boat, you know, like I'm 126 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 3: going to paint now, I'm just going to go to 127 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 3: painting for a while. I'm gonna write, I'm gonna write, 128 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 3: you know. I think I was so rigid with what 129 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 3: I wanted to do that I wasn't into the flow 130 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 3: of things. I was just like, I'm going to be 131 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 3: an actress. Maybe that's what I had to do at 132 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 3: the time, and that's really all I wanted to do. 133 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 3: But there are a couple opportunities and moments that I 134 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 3: look back going like, you know, I should have been 135 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 3: a little bit more like, yeah, this sounds fun, but 136 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 3: I was very focused on that. 137 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: But my take on it also is the you know, 138 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: the impact that your mother and your father had on 139 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: you in terms of giving you this freedom and you know, 140 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: giving you enough rope to get yourself in trouble, but 141 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 2: also treating you with incredible respect even when you messed up. 142 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: I mean, and I think that gave you greater freedom 143 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 2: as an artist. Don't you think I do? 144 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 3: I definitely do, especially my dad, you know, I think 145 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 3: that there are moments where I thought, for sure would 146 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 3: say you are not doing that movie, mo, daughter, and 147 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 3: he never anything I wanted to do. They were like, 148 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: I mean, my dad more than my mom. I think 149 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 3: my mom worried a little bit more, but my dad 150 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 3: was like, if you're comfortable with it, I'm comfortable with it, 151 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 3: and if you're not, you leave or you don't do it. 152 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 3: And I think it it definitely helped me learn how 153 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 3: to make up my own decisions because he was like, 154 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 3: it's your body, it's your life, Like are you comfort? 155 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 3: Is that what you want to do? And it really 156 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 3: made me think like, oh, do I really want to 157 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 3: do this? 158 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: No? 159 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 3: Actually, eh, I don't really want to do this, and 160 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 3: I never had that moment of you know, someone asked 161 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 3: me once like, oh, did you were you were so 162 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 3: rebellious you did these sort of movies, you know, Bound 163 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 3: and show Girls. Was like, you know sometimes people rebel 164 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 3: against their parents, like I'm gonna do this really wild thing, 165 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 3: and like the thought never even crossed my mind, you know, 166 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 3: because I didn't have to rebel against anything. I think 167 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 3: they gave me a lot of freedom to make my 168 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 3: own decisions, which is important, especially later on. You know, 169 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 3: when you have agents or managers or people telling you 170 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 3: what you should be doing, and you know, between me 171 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 3: and me, I'm like, that doesn't sound right, Like that 172 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: sounds weird. So I did for better or worse, really 173 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 3: what I wanted to do, you know, I guess it 174 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 3: depends what your endgame is. 175 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: Bound is considered a groundbreaking film. What was it about 176 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: that script that made you say you know yes to that? 177 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 2: And did you have any sense at the time it 178 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: would become a cult classic? 179 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 3: No, I had no idea. I mean, no one wanted 180 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 3: me to do that script. I had to leave my 181 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 3: agents Overbound because in their mind it was time to 182 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 3: do a big studio film and make me into a 183 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 3: big movie star because show Girls was coming out, and 184 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 3: that was like, I don't know, show Rules is going 185 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 3: to be what everyone thinks it's going to be. So 186 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 3: it was really important for me to do a part 187 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 3: that to me was really you know, it didn't have 188 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 3: all the glitz and the glam and you know, very 189 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: pure acting. And when I read that script, the writing 190 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 3: was just so great and I hadn't I'd never read 191 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 3: a part for a woman like that, you know, it 192 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 3: was always the hero parts were always for men. Really, 193 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 3: it was like the traditional guide part that I always 194 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 3: loved to watch, you know. But I'm like, wow, I 195 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 3: get to cut off my hair, cut off my nails, 196 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 3: like you know, just have a complete one a from 197 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 3: what I had just done, which was exciting to me 198 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,599 Speaker 3: as an actress. And then I thought, you know, these newcomers, 199 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 3: these boorshowskis, I could just tell they were really good. 200 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 3: I could just sense these these bozshowskis know how to direct. 201 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 3: So that was very exciting to me. 202 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 2: And then you mentioned Showgirls. It's an interesting trajectory for 203 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: that film in Hollywood history. You have to admit, I mean, 204 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: it was panned and then it's celebrated. What has your 205 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: relationship been with that film over the years, and can 206 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 2: you paint a description for us of the seven thousand 207 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: dollars g string. 208 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that movie is such. That's movies to 209 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 3: me interesting in so many different levels. You know, the 210 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 3: fact that it was completely panned. People were like, this 211 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 3: is the worst movie ever, blah blah blah, and now 212 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 3: like it's I can't do an interview without people saying, 213 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 3: oh my god, let's talk about show Goes. I love it, 214 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 3: you know. So in a way it taught me to 215 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 3: not really take reviews too seriously. And you know what 216 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 3: was there was a movie the other day, oh when 217 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 3: you know, the great bud Court died, and I was 218 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 3: reading about Harold and Maud, one of my all time 219 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 3: favorite movies, and of course that got panned when it 220 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 3: first came out. So many great movies that we love. 221 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 3: Not that I'm putting Show Girls on the same level 222 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 3: as Harold and Maud, I definitely am not, But you know, 223 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 3: I came luckily they were for the most part kind 224 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 3: to me in the in the reviews. But it's still 225 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 3: not a good feeling that you're in this complete bomb 226 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 3: but you know, if you read the good ones, you 227 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 3: got to read the bad ones, and it all didn't 228 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: really mean anything to me. After a while, I knew 229 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 3: what I had done. You know, I was confident with 230 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 3: my work in it. I didn't direct it. In fact, 231 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 3: I thought, you know, I thought it was a much 232 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 3: different film when I took it. I envisioned one of 233 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 3: Verhoven's very dark Dutch projects that I love so much 234 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 3: as other films, And then it certainly wasn't that. You know, 235 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 3: you learn I learned a lot of good lessons on 236 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 3: that movie. You know, you think you're going to go 237 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 3: in to perform one way or to in a certain 238 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 3: projects and it's completely not that. So then guess what 239 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 3: you got to adjust. It's like going and it's like, oh, 240 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 3: you're going to go do a little acoustic number with 241 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 3: your little cute nylon guitar, and then you get there, 242 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 3: it's like, oh, it's a stadium show. Like, okay, this 243 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 3: isn't going to work. We've got to bring out electric guitars, 244 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 3: We've got to bring out amps, we've got to bring 245 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 3: out a band. Maybe, like you just have to adjust 246 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 3: to what's going on else and still stay true with 247 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 3: what you're doing within a different structure. 248 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 2: What was the first time you heard a jews harp 249 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 2: and how awful was your first experience playing one. 250 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 3: It's pretty bad, pretty bloody, as it should be. I 251 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 3: first heard the jews Harp on Snoopy, you know when 252 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 3: Charlie Brown when you saw Snoopy in a dent. I 253 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 3: don't think that jews harp is in that part, but 254 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 3: I think I also heard it. That's the first time 255 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 3: I saw it. But I remember clocking it. Is it 256 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 3: squeeze box the who you know at the beginning? Yeah, 257 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: It's just a sound that always kind of caught my ear. Anyway, 258 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 3: I saw Snoopy playing it on the TV. I was 259 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 3: at the store during my you know, klepto years, and 260 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 3: I saw the jews harp in the store with Snoopy 261 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 3: on it, and I'm like, oh my god, that's that 262 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 3: the jews harp. I think they called it the mouth 263 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 3: harp of the jaws harp. You know, I have so 264 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 3: many different names. Yeah, so I took it. I stole it, 265 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 3: you know, to give it some authenticity. Yeah, and then 266 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 3: I went home and I tried to play it, and 267 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 3: you know, honestly, there was blood everywhere because you know, 268 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 3: I didn't know how to do it, and your lips 269 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 3: get caught in it. And then Marie Gibson, who was 270 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 3: a woman who'd been living with us since I was 271 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 3: two years old, she said, child, give me that thing. 272 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 3: She was I learned how to play that on the plantation, 273 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 3: and she grabbed it from me and she started playing 274 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 3: it like nobody's business, like bow bow, and I was like, 275 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 3: what like, So she showed me how to play it, 276 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 3: and I just thought it was so cool. 277 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 2: You know, I made the mistake after first hearing member 278 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: the band up on Cripple Creek. After hearing that and 279 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: loving the band, I was like, oh, that's great. I 280 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 2: can't play a lick of anything. Let me pick up 281 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: one of those mouth harps. So I thought I was 282 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 2: a big shot, picked it up and I don't think 283 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: my mouth ever recovered from it. Yeah, it's rough, for sure. 284 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. People are always like, show me how 285 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 3: to play it. I'm like, you know what you know, sir, 286 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 3: I said, I'll do it with a disclaimer. You might 287 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 3: choop your tooth and you're definitely get bloody at the beginning. 288 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 3: You know, until you know how to do. 289 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: It, we'll be right back with more of the Taking 290 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: a Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 291 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 2: You've always had this incredible rock and roll spirit. I 292 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 2: mean in the book, you make it sound so easy. 293 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 2: Being able to pull together pretty much guns and Roses, 294 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 2: to be able to be out with you. I mean, 295 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: it was marvelous how it came together. You love music 296 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: so deeply. How has music informed your acting and your 297 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 2: creative life overall? 298 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 3: Oh that's an interesting question, you know, I think because 299 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 3: I got away from it for so long, and then 300 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 3: when I was asked to do cabaret, when Sam Mendez said, 301 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 3: oh you do cabaret. You know you don't have to 302 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 3: sing that good it's the part, you know, it's more 303 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 3: the And then of course, as soon as I start 304 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 3: singing those songs, I was like, first of all, these songs 305 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 3: are amazing, and secondly like, oh yeah, I love to sing. 306 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 3: I forgot that, I know how to say. I remembered 307 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 3: how much I loved singing in front of an audience 308 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 3: and performing. And from that, of course, it led to 309 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 3: going on tour. It led to that prey for rock 310 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 3: and roll, and then it went to going on tour, 311 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 3: and I kind of went into a whole musical realm, 312 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 3: which I was super into. And the thing that I 313 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 3: think music did when once I went back into acting 314 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 3: it it kind of loosened me up in a bit. 315 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: It felt more like, you know, not jazz, but like 316 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 3: improv felt. It felt more like being in the moment 317 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 3: and really laying off of other people as you you know, 318 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 3: have to do when you're playing in a band. I 319 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 3: think I think it gave me freedom as an actor. 320 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 3: I think my improvisational skills definitely got much better, for sure. 321 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 3: I mean it's all the same thing, like on different 322 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 3: sides of the crystal. You know, it's different versions of 323 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 3: expressing yourself and how do you do it? And I 324 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 3: feel like, you know, it's nice being in the arts whatever, 325 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 3: because everything can inform everything and you just don't know 326 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 3: how it informs it, but it does on some level. 327 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 3: Of course. 328 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 2: You sang at the Cafe Carlisle, at the wonderful Carlisle Hotel, 329 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: one of the great places, certainly Bemmelman's Bar, one of 330 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 2: the great places in history. What as an artist is 331 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 2: that like performing in that venue? 332 00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 3: Wow, you know, it felt very it was really magical. 333 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 3: I was really honored when they asked me to do 334 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 3: a two week residency, and you know, i'd kind of 335 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 3: when i'd been there before, I saw Bobby Short, you know, 336 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 3: I had seen like real and I take jazz musicians 337 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 3: especially very seriously because that's what my uncle was, a 338 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 3: jazz m musician, so I you know, I kind of 339 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 3: grew up watching the greatest jazz musicians around playing, so 340 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 3: I really have so much respect for it. And I thought, 341 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 3: oh my god, what am I going to do with 342 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 3: the Cafe Carlisle. I better The first thing is like, 343 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 3: I better put a shit hot band together. You know, 344 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 3: I didn't care any money they gave me. I'm like, great, 345 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 3: I'm going to allocate it. And I got the great 346 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 3: you know, Steven Bernstain, who's my buddy, and i'd known. 347 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 3: I'm like, we need to you know, I asked Christian McBride. 348 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 3: Of course Christian can't do it, but like he's like, 349 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 3: go to this person, go to this person. I just 350 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 3: kind of went all out and I just found the 351 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 3: great band that I just wanted to listen to and 352 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 3: have respect for. And then the next step was like, 353 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 3: oh wait, I don't sing that way though, and Steph 354 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 3: kept saying yeah, you do, just do it. And the 355 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 3: guys were really great, you know, so I really kind 356 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 3: of did a whole weird show from gosh Ida Cox 357 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 3: all the way to like Chrissy Hine all the way 358 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 3: to like it was, you know, some of my stuff. 359 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 3: But I like to tell stories, so I kind of 360 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 3: hung it on the line of you know, wild women 361 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 3: in my life. But it was a blast. I mean, 362 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 3: you go downstairs and you play in that room, it's beautiful. 363 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 3: I mean, it's pretty cool. I'd like to do it 364 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 3: again actually, but yeah, it was really fun. 365 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 2: And Miley Cyrus wrote a blurb for the book. Did 366 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: you happen to see Miley when she played? I think 367 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: she played at Bemelman's or maybe she played it both. 368 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 2: Did you happen to go? 369 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 3: Oh, I've seen Miley? Though you know, I hadn't seen 370 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 3: I've only I worked with Miley one night at some 371 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 3: little movie lol, a long time ago. We just talked 372 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 3: that one night and we just really got along. And 373 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 3: then I was at the Chatau Marmont right when she 374 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 3: was coming out, I think with the Wrecking Ball during 375 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 3: that period, and so she just did a piano and 376 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 3: vocals in a very small room. And she was like, 377 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 3: oh my god. Oh, I said, I didn't even know 378 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 3: if she'd remember me, but we really had a nice 379 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 3: bonding moment. And then I don't know why she's such 380 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 3: an alpha pussy. She it embodies everything, you know, the 381 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 3: spirit of an alpha pussy, you know. So I just 382 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 3: for some reason, I just sent her a note, thinking 383 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 3: this is weird, and she's like, I would love to. 384 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 3: And she started reading the book and she loved it, 385 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 3: and I was really flattered by her blurb. I read it, 386 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, I started crying. It 387 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 3: was so sweet. 388 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah, I didn't want to give too much 389 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: away about a story about a guy who has a 390 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 2: purple limo that you encountered. Who would that be? Maybe Prince? 391 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 2: But have you encountered a purple limo? 392 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 3: Since only purple limo I've ever been in was the 393 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 3: one with. 394 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 2: Prince and Rick James impressions too. 395 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 3: He did a couple of Rick James impressions. Not gonna lie, it's. 396 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 2: Really good And how difficult is it for you to 397 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 2: with a straight face think of the whole Chappelle bit 398 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 2: that that he did with with Prince and with Eddie 399 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 2: Murphy's brother and everything. I'm sure you've seen that, haven't you. 400 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 3: I haven't. 401 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love it's one of the best bits. 402 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 2: I promise, especially with your personal experience, you will just 403 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 2: absolutely just think it's a riot and apparently most of 404 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 2: it is true. 405 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 3: It's so brilliant. I love him so much. But I'll 406 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 3: look up. I can't believe I haven't seen it. 407 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 2: Prince Rick James, Yep, it's Prince Dave Chappelle, you know, 408 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: Rick James, Charlie Murphy, Charlie. 409 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 3: Okay, I'll check it out. Oh no, I mean, I'm 410 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 3: obsessed with Dave. I think he's incredible, but I haven't 411 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 3: seen absolutely everything because there's so much to see, you know. 412 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, there is so much. So back to music here, 413 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 2: thinking about the soundtrack of your of your life, are 414 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 2: there a couple of songs that particularly stick out to 415 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 2: you that are the soundtrack of your life? As you 416 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: kind of reflect on the book and your love of music. 417 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 3: There certainly would not be one. I mean, for a while, 418 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 3: when I got into high school, my sister, you know, 419 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 3: she was always in the music business, and she'd be like, 420 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 3: you have to go see the talking Heads tonight. I'm like, 421 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 3: what are about talking Heads? I have a test tomorrow. 422 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 3: Tracy like she's like, just go to the Roxy. There's 423 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 3: a ticket, you need to go. And I'm like, okay, 424 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 3: of course you see David Byrne jumping all over and 425 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god. So I remember when 426 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 3: she told me you got to go see Elvis. I'm like, Elvis, 427 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 3: isn't he dead? Like Elvis? And it was Elvis Costello 428 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 3: of course during my aim is true, like it was 429 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 3: this fat you know, I was young, and I'm like, 430 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 3: trace is She said just go? And of course I 431 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 3: was so blown away. And to me, every album that 432 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 3: Elvis would do seem to have a theme song of 433 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 3: what I was going through at that moment. So he 434 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 3: was like, my guy, you know, god, I can't. I 435 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 3: couldn't pick just one song, to be totally honest, it's 436 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 3: too hard. 437 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: Well, I knew you were going to probably mention talking 438 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 2: Heads because there was one point in the book where 439 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 2: you're like you're thinking, oh my god, just like that song, 440 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: what have I done? 441 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 3: You know what, I'm hanging up on a rope. It 442 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 3: was like, my god, what have I done? 443 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I thought of that for sure. But also 444 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 2: thinking of your friendship with Dave Stewart, who's such a 445 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 2: brilliant artist. And I know Dave recently has done a 446 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 2: whole bunch of Bob Dylan covers, which I think are fantastic. 447 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 2: Are you a fan of Dylan? 448 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 3: Of course? How are you not a fan of Dylan's 449 00:23:59,040 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 3: you know. 450 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 2: Particular era of Dylan that you love or other than 451 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 2: all of it. 452 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 3: You know, I have such a crazy story with Dylan. 453 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 3: I have a lot of crazy stories with him. I 454 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 3: only write about one because he's a very He's been 455 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 3: like a good pal of mine in the last few 456 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 3: years ever since. I there's that story when we went 457 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 3: sparring and then we became friends after that. But I'll 458 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 3: never forget that when I made my record, that was 459 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 3: stuck in my head after, you know, when I was 460 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 3: promoting Prey for Rock and Roll, I went on tour 461 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 3: to promote the movie, to promote the record, and of 462 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 3: course Sherry lovedg who the movie was based on. Three 463 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 3: weeks before I'm going out to promote the music with 464 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 3: Girls against Boys, She's like, you know, a lot of 465 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 3: these songs don't really work live, And of course they 466 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 3: didn't because like her whole The whole point of movie 467 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 3: is like she never really made it as an as 468 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 3: an artist. They weren't great songs. Some are very interesting, 469 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 3: but you know, hardly commercial songs that are going to 470 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 3: take off. And so I started writing songs like a maniac, 471 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 3: just because I'm like, oh my god, I got to 472 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 3: like do something that I'm gonna want to. I just 473 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 3: got the bug. So I just stuff started coming in. 474 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 3: And of course, when I was on tour promoting the movie, 475 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 3: and this like just songs started like landing in my 476 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 3: head that I just they needed to come out, you know, 477 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 3: cause they're going to drive me insane. And then I thought, well, 478 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 3: I'll just record a record because I have to. You know, 479 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 3: when they just are stuck in your head and they 480 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 3: make you insane until they get out and it's like 481 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 3: please leave me alone. It's like okay, I'll fine, I'll 482 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 3: get you know, it's like this whole weird relationship you're having. 483 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 3: Any So I made the record and then I went 484 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 3: over to Bob's just kind of randomly. He was home, 485 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 3: and I kept thinking, how do I shit? And I 486 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 3: didn't really talk to him about music, but I parted. 487 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 3: There were so many questions I wanted to ask him, 488 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 3: but he knew. He said, what are you doing? I said, well, 489 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 3: I'm trying to mix this record. I don't know how 490 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 3: to mix it and not really why are you making 491 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 3: another record? What do you mean I haven't done. I 492 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 3: did one for the movie, but that wasn't mine anyway. 493 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 3: By the time I was leaving, he asked me about 494 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 3: my stereo in my car, and I'm thinking, oh, my god, 495 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 3: is it going to ask me me to play my 496 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 3: music to him in this stupid, like crappy cassette player. 497 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 3: And I was like yeah, and he's like, would you 498 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 3: like to listen to my new album? And that album 499 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:30,719 Speaker 3: was Modern Times, which is brilliant? Oh yeah, And it 500 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 3: was so just listening to it with Bob looking at 501 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 3: me listening to it. First of all, it's a brilliant album, 502 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 3: the tones. I love the whole quality of it. So 503 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 3: that has a special place in my heart because I 504 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,479 Speaker 3: just remember so much of it and talking to him 505 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 3: about it. But I love as far as recent albums, 506 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 3: I really I that one will always be very special 507 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 3: to me. 508 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 2: Oh thank you for sharing that story. My god, that's amazing. 509 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 2: Writing a book is such a solitaire process compared to 510 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 2: making a film. Is there anything that surprised you about 511 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 2: that experience. I mean, you had written a book before, so. 512 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 3: It taught me more how to be alone. It's almost 513 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 3: by necessity, I find for some reason. With acting, I 514 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 3: could like work on something and I could be aware 515 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 3: and you pick up things, you know, it's just like 516 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 3: as you're percolating. But I could really work on it 517 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 3: very solidly, and then I know how to wipe my 518 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 3: feet at the end of the day, so to speak, 519 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 3: and then I can get on with my life. And 520 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 3: that I go back to it. With writing, I find 521 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 3: and maybe just because you know, I'm so new to it, 522 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,479 Speaker 3: it just it really lingered, like it's hard. Like I 523 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 3: remember writing the other book and my boyfriend at the 524 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 3: time he's like, oh, let's we're going out to dinner. 525 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 3: We have to go out to dinner. And I just 526 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 3: was useless. Really, I shouldn't be around people when I'm 527 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 3: doing that, because I just would be there at dinner 528 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 3: and luckily they were all speaking in a different language 529 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 3: and I just kind of went but inside my head, 530 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 3: I just heard these characters talking like stories just kept 531 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 3: going and I'd. 532 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 4: Be like, excuse me, i'd write something down, so I 533 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 4: was very I think when I'm doing that, I see 534 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 4: why writers are so isolated at times, because sometimes, you know, 535 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 4: I'm not like a writer that i'd like. 536 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 3: First of all, I think I'm more of a storyteller. 537 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 3: And in this book, there's a couple of moments I 538 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 3: allowed myself to write and have a little bit more fun. 539 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 3: But for the most part, I really just wanted it 540 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 3: to stay in my voice, like I'm telling you a 541 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 3: story the way I would remember telling it. And you know, 542 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 3: I'd a lot of the times I'd have to approach 543 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 3: it the way I would approach a scene sometimes, or 544 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 3: sense memory stuff. I would just lay there, something would 545 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 3: come up and I'm like, what is that? What is 546 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 3: that ball I'm seeing? Like, And then all of a 547 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 3: sudden you're almost go into I hypnosis. But then all 548 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 3: of a sudden you see the whole scene. It's like, 549 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 3: oh my god, I remember that. Why am I thinking 550 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 3: about that? And you kind of keep chasing it. It's like, Oh, 551 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 3: that's what this is about. That's so interesting. Then you 552 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 3: try to like just write it exactly the way you 553 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 3: see it, you know. So I just found I guess 554 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,719 Speaker 3: to answer your question. It's like it's very isolating, but 555 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 3: it's because you kind of have to. You just have 556 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 3: to kind of percolate and be in your own brain 557 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 3: a little bit and allow things to come up. 558 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 2: Was your experience with Larry David and curb your enthusiasm? 559 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 2: Was that a fun experience? 560 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 3: The funnest, so fun? I mean that is like the 561 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 3: funnest gig ever because you were just completely improvising. There's like, Okay, 562 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 3: you're going to come in and flirt with Larry's look, okay, 563 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 3: you know, and then you just go like in every scene, 564 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 3: it's like, oh that's great, that's great. Now you're gonna 565 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 3: have an argument about this, and that's it. There's one 566 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 3: line and then you just make it up and the 567 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 3: two of you are going out and obviously he's so 568 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 3: brilliant and funny and we really, I really had a 569 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 3: great time working with him. It was one of the 570 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 3: best gigs ever. 571 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 2: Oh that's fantastic. 572 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 573 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 2: So before we close, I have to ask you the question, 574 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 2: because it's called taking a walk. Is there somebody or 575 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 2: some group, a couple more than you're afforded, more than 576 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 2: one who you'd like to take a walk with living 577 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 2: or dead. 578 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many people I can't even I mean, 579 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 3: I would like to walk alone with them each time, 580 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 3: you know, so I could have real conversations. I mean, 581 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 3: of course, i'd love to walk with my dad because 582 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 3: he's been gone for so many years. I'd love to 583 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 3: talk with him at my uncle Jack. I'd really liked 584 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 3: to talk to my mom, of course, you know. Weirdly enough, 585 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 3: you know who comes into my dreams a lot. I 586 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 3: swear to God, this is the weirdest thing. We always 587 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 3: have the best time. We've even written weird songs together. 588 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 3: I'm like, I wake up, going, wait, what is this? 589 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 3: Jimmy Hendrix comes into my dreams a lot. Wow, It's 590 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 3: so weird and we like will we like smoking a joint, 591 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 3: or we'll go to in and out Burger or you know, 592 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 3: like random stuff and we just like laugh. I don't 593 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 3: know what he means to me, you know, I really 594 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 3: try to think about it, but I don't know. I 595 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 3: really have a good time with him in my dream 596 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 3: so he would be really fun to take a walk with. 597 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 3: I'd be curious to talk to him, I would say, Jesus. Also, 598 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 3: if Jesus really, you know, he existed at some point 599 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 3: to be like, get his take on this crazy world, 600 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 3: which I'm sure he'd be like, this is bonkers. What's 601 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 3: going on? I didn't say any of that stuff. That 602 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 3: is not what I intended. Oh my god, there's the 603 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 3: list would go on and on and on. 604 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 2: Really, I'm pretty certain you'd be fun to take a 605 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 2: walk with because you're an observer of everything, especially you 606 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 2: know with now you're in New York and one of 607 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 2: the most fun things in New York is to just 608 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 2: watch people and kind of try to think what's going 609 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 2: on in their head? 610 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean a living I should say a 611 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 3: living person, you know who I love taking walks with, 612 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 3: who's like become such a great guiding light and such 613 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 3: a beautiful person in my life as Lorie Anderson. She's 614 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 3: just such a great mind, and we could just like 615 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 3: sometimes we'll just walk and talk and talk and I 616 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 3: can't really remember anything we talk about, but it's just 617 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 3: very flowy and she's very insightful, and she's been very 618 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 3: influential to me on things. You know. 619 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's pretty brilliant, isn't she. 620 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 3: She's brilliant and kind and just so generous of spirit 621 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 3: and like a really great example of a human being. 622 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 3: To me, I get very inspired by her kindness. You know, 623 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 3: obviously she's brilliant because her mind is just She's one 624 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 3: of the few people that whatever she asked me to do, 625 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 3: I would say, yes, Hey, what are you doing? Yep, 626 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 3: I'll do. What are we doing? We're going to see 627 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 3: a concert for spiders? Like, Okay, let's do it. She's 628 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 3: a very interesting, very curious person. She's one of the 629 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 3: most curious people. So I really I always like talk 630 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 3: taking a walk with her. 631 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 2: Well, Gina, it's been an honor. 632 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 3: I gave a living person. 633 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 2: You dish, you gave a good look, you gave a 634 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 2: good list. It was awesome and Alpha Pussy is fantastic. 635 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 2: Congratulations on it. 636 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 3: So glad you liked it. Thank you for reading it 637 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 3: and for. 638 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 2: All of your work and the joy that you'd give us. 639 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 2: And thanks for being on Taking a Walk. 640 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks for having me. It has been fun. 641 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 2: I'm Buzznight and thanks for listening to the Taking a 642 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 2: Walk podcast. Now, please check out our companion podcasts produced 643 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 2: by Buzznight Media Productions with your host Lynn Hoffman. Music 644 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 2: Save Me, showcasing the healing power of music and comedy. 645 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 2: Save Me shining a light on how laughter is the 646 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 2: best medicine. All shows are available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, 647 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 2: and are part of the iHeart podcast network.