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Speaker 1: a touchdown. Oh baby hued film. Here's Craig Griolu, Paul

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Speaker 1: CALVC and three time pro bowler Kyle Vandenbosch. Well. For

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Speaker 1: the second time in as many months, gentlemen, Arizona is

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Speaker 1: the center of the NFL universe. Last month it was

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl, This month scifically. This week it's the

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Speaker 1: annual league meeting at the Biltmore and dare I say, Paul,

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Speaker 1: they picked a perfect week to come back. The weather

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Speaker 1: is outstanding and just enough time for these owners and

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Speaker 1: coaches and league personality. Maybe get in nine holes. Perhaps

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Speaker 1: just like we dialed it up right Arizona did the

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Speaker 1: weather gods, we dialed it up for him last month

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl fifty seven. Once again, nothing to complain and

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Speaker 1: whine about, because you know the media is apt to

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Speaker 1: do exactly that. Nothing to complain about when it comes

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Speaker 1: to the weather and the accommodations for owners meetings. Two

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Speaker 1: twenty three happens what every other year, maybe once every

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Speaker 1: three years, Arizona becomes that place where the entire NFL

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Speaker 1: is located for a period of two or three days,

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Speaker 1: and it just so happens that it is this week.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, our first opportunity to hear from Jonathan Gannon

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Speaker 1: see how see how comfortable the new head coaches in

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Speaker 1: answering the questions. But the big thing that everyone wants,

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Speaker 1: no coll is the inactivity or perceived inactivity in free agency.

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Speaker 1: But if you look at it, this team was more

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Speaker 1: active this offseason when it came to signing free agents

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Speaker 1: was resigning their own free agents. But now this team

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Speaker 1: is going out Now there hasn't been any splash moves,

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Speaker 1: but they are adding pieces now we're just wanting to

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Speaker 1: figure out how these pieces fit together. Yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 1: definitely intriguing. I mean, like you said, there hasn't been

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Speaker 1: that's not to say that that we weren't targeting them.

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Speaker 1: It's just, you know, it doesn't seem to be a

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Speaker 1: coach him up. And there's a lot of players that

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Speaker 1: have been signed that aren't big name players but have

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Speaker 1: These are versatile athletes. You know, I'm not sure that

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Speaker 1: you know he talked about we don't have a defined defense,

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Speaker 1: what his players do best. Eight new faces added to

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Speaker 1: keep your ticket to great Seats. Let's talk about Isaiah

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Speaker 1: not once did we see Simmons participates with the linebackers

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Speaker 1: all he said was that Simmons has a very unique

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Speaker 1: fans analyzing games, watching every game Isaiah Simmons as played.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what he does best. He does a

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Speaker 1: You play the position at a pro Bowl level. Can

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Speaker 1: And yeah, you might not be as good because you

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Speaker 1: lose a talent of diop, you're not as good of

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Speaker 1: a football team. But the long run, does it serve

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Speaker 1: us better to part with a talent in order to

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Speaker 1: get more pieces to kind of fill those holes? Right? Right?

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Speaker 1: It's what you know. We talked a lot about how

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Speaker 1: Mantias and for it uses some of the New England

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Speaker 1: things that he learned. That's what New England has done

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Speaker 1: for years. You've got a player who's still playing at

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Speaker 1: a really high level, but he reaches age thirty, thirty one,

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Speaker 1: thirty two, and they either let him go via trade

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Speaker 1: let him go via free agency before and I talked

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Speaker 1: about this a couple of weeks ago, before you indicate

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Speaker 1: or before you recognize that his era is going down

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Speaker 1: and it's going to be too late to move that player.

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Speaker 1: You know what I love about listening to Jonathan Gain

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Speaker 1: and look, this is the season of lies, deception, and

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Speaker 1: misdirection everything leading up to the draft with head coaches

446
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Speaker 1: and gms. You can take it with a grain of

447
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Speaker 1: salt because it typically means very little, and a lot

448
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 1: of times you're just trying to, you know, either protect

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Speaker 1: your organization or you're trying to gain some sort of advantage.

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Speaker 1: But listening to Jonathan Gan and listened to him as

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Speaker 1: an introductory press conference, you know, he says, if he's

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Speaker 1: got a Cardinals jersey on, we're gonna coach him and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna make him better. And I love that. I

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Speaker 1: love that. So, you know, rest assured if however this goes,

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Speaker 1: if there's hurt feelings, if if there's some resentment and

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins is here, this coaching staff is not going

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Speaker 1: to have any resentment, This front office is not gonna

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Speaker 1: have any resentment. They're gonna coach him up and utilize

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Speaker 1: him the best they can. And you know, but saying

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Speaker 1: we don't, he's not a part of our future plans.

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Speaker 1: You know, I talked about the deception part of this.

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Speaker 1: I remember when I was in Detroit. You know, we

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Speaker 1: drafted and Dominicans. Wu had ten sacks his rookie year,

464
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Speaker 1: was dominant. For the next three years straight. Our division

465
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: rivals drafted guards in the first or second round. Right,

466
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Speaker 1: So you know the fact that DeAndre Hopkins is still

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Speaker 1: on our roster. Even if he is still on our

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Speaker 1: roster after the draft, You've got to think that teams

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Speaker 1: like the Rams in Seattle and forty nine ers are like,

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Speaker 1: we've still got to have that corner that can cover

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Speaker 1: this guy. We can't afford to double team him every

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Speaker 1: single play because that just kills our defense. So you know,

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Speaker 1: the longer this plays out, it doesn't necessarily hurt the Cardinals. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, obviously, as as an analyst, as a fan,

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Speaker 1: you would like some sort of resolutions, you know, sooner

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Speaker 1: than later. Um, But you know that's that's just the

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Speaker 1: way things go. Now. Um. You know, you can even

478
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Speaker 1: though it seems like there's not a lot going on,

479
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Speaker 1: you can you can anticipate that there's calls after calls

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Speaker 1: going on, and conversations happening, and the wheels are moving

481
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Speaker 1: in conversations. They are happening to to try to make

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Speaker 1: something something go, And I get it. The whole Brandon

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Speaker 1: Cooks doesn't help right when he gets a fifth and

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Speaker 1: sixth round pick. But wait a minute. Just recently before

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Speaker 1: the trade deadline last year, the Bears traded a second

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Speaker 1: for Chase Claypool. So there's there's a lot of case.

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Speaker 1: You know, studies a lot of benchmarks you can site

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Speaker 1: either way, Here's the reality. This free agent wide receiver class.

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Speaker 1: Not only is it picked over, but to begin with,

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Speaker 1: it was skinnier than Kevin Durant. I mean, come on,

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Speaker 1: it was thinner. I mean it was thin, right, I mean.

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Speaker 1: And this draft class russ is weaker than yours, truly

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Speaker 1: in the weight room. So there's not a lot there.

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Speaker 1: So if these teams who think they have a shot,

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Speaker 1: like the Bills in Kansas City and in New England,

496
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Speaker 1: thinks they're going to rebuild and maybe you know, they

497
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Speaker 1: still don't have a great receiver corps after losing Jacobe Myers,

498
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Speaker 1: so boom, there's one guy out there. And I fully

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Speaker 1: expect DeAndre Hopkins to be on another team by the

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Speaker 1: time we get to the draft. It's just a matter

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Speaker 1: of where and for how much. And you just got

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Speaker 1: to get a couple of teams that are still interested.

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Speaker 1: Is you go into draft weekend and I think the

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Speaker 1: value will be there in a trade for the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: you bring up the Bills, gentlemanage your Brandon being here

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Speaker 1: and Phoenix talking with Matt Breno, Syracuse dot Com asked

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Speaker 1: about those de hop rumors to Buffalo. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: on the Arizona Cardinals. And you know what I would

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Speaker 1: say is social media, social media, don't don't take that

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Speaker 1: too far. You know, we're always going to look for talent,

511
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Speaker 1: and so we're gonna look at anything and everything, and

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Speaker 1: you know, our name gets thrown into had a lot

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Speaker 1: of things that sometimes we've done one percent. One person

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00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: made one call and they've looped us in that we're

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Speaker 1: all over him and we've offered him a contract, and

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Speaker 1: you know, it's funny sometimes. But you know, that's as

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Speaker 1: far as I can go into it. I do agree

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Speaker 1: with you, Paul that the draft and the end of

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Speaker 1: April seems to be that manufactured deadline, if you will,

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Speaker 1: because if you're the Cardinals, you want and if it

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Speaker 1: is for a draft pick versus a player, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: want those choices Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday, preferably Wednesday, because

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Speaker 1: it might be a first round pick or a Day

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Speaker 1: two pick and a second or third round selection. Here's

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Speaker 1: the thing. The rookies are such an unknown. Just ask

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Speaker 1: monti Assen for they traded away AJ Brown and they

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Speaker 1: went and got Treylon Brooks from Arkansas. How'd that work out?

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Speaker 1: Not too good? John Robinson, the Tennessee GM lost his job.

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Speaker 1: A lot would revolve around that trade. If you're Kansas

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Speaker 1: City and you're Andy Reid, you went after Skymore last year? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was pretty uneven. You maybe got a little production

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Speaker 1: in December, in January, we'll bet, But until then it

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Speaker 1: was a lot of nothing from an inconsistent and immature

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Speaker 1: rookie in sky Moore. So good luck. If you're going

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Speaker 1: via the draft, you might get a guy with all

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Speaker 1: the measurables. Doesn't mean he's plug and play. Cardinals continue

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Speaker 1: their off season as far as The next date that

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00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: we'll keep an eye on is April eleventh, when the

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Speaker 1: offseason strength and conditioning program begins. It is voluntary. Does

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Speaker 1: the hop show up if he is still a member

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. That's a great question, you know,

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00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: do they have an agreement? Hey, you know what, you

543
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: can stay away until your future is decided. That's been

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Speaker 1: done before. Check out The Day of Pash podcast via

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Speaker 1: Preferred podcast Provider. Get the latest updates via Twitter at

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Speaker 1: hash hot. Speaking of the wide receiver position, I mentioned

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Speaker 1: Zach Haskell. We'll talk about the newest wide receiver who

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Speaker 1: joins Kyle's guy, Greg Dortch in that wide receiver room

549
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Speaker 1: again and spoke on his wide receiver, familiar wide receiver

550
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Speaker 1: to go back to their day's last season with the

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles. This is the Arizona Cardinals. Radio network hurts

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Speaker 1: up the gun, he fakes the Sanders, goes back and

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Speaker 1: it's firing wide open Pascal at the five and he

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Speaker 1: is and for the touchdown. Zack Pascal thirty four yards

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Speaker 1: throws left side to Zach past but the five yard

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Speaker 1: line looking for the byline and he's in Zack Plasco

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Speaker 1: and the ball is fut rays Sack Pascal yet Sir,

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Speaker 1: touchdown second Pasco keep it way down field for Zach Pascal. Touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Touchdown Zack Pascal. A forty two yard bomb floats right

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Speaker 1: side on a crossing cutter xact. Pascal fakes a man

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Speaker 1: miss Chuck took the pile at the goal line, gets

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Speaker 1: a touchdown. Zack Pascal rows hands on looking for a man.

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Speaker 1: He's got it touched out Zach Pascal. Pascal from seventeen

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Speaker 1: yards away got a fire upfield end of the end

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Speaker 1: zone touchdown. Zach Pascal five seasons in the league, last

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Speaker 1: season with the Philadelphia Eagles. Zach Pascal, twenty eight year

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Speaker 1: old wide receiver six two to fourteen, signing a two

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Speaker 1: year contract with the Arizona Cardinals. As we welcome back

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Speaker 1: here to the Arizona car Cardinals Red Sea Report presented

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Speaker 1: by a seat geek, your ticket to great seats in

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Speaker 1: and correct. Don't call him a receiver. He wants to

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Speaker 1: be known as a football player. Okay, there's no stinking

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Speaker 1: position that's really should be listed. Just football player. I

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Speaker 1: love playing football. Was his quotes on the Big Red

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Speaker 1: Rays that you had a chance to interview him. But

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Speaker 1: the question now that I pose, as we're getting breaking

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Speaker 1: news out of the builtmore in the Annual League medium

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Speaker 1: is according to Tom Pella Sero, the owners have approved

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Speaker 1: players being able to wear No. Zero Zach Pascal, where

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Speaker 1: number three with the Philadelphia Eagles can't do that here,

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Speaker 1: that's Buddha Baker's number. Unless Buddha chooses to wear zero.

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Speaker 1: I could see that, I could I could see you

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Speaker 1: have to be an elite all pro player to wear zero.

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Speaker 1: Are we in agreement on that? You're not just handing

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Speaker 1: out zero to some six round rookie. Right, I can

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Speaker 1: see you wearing a zero pall zero. That would be

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Speaker 1: my cue rating. Walk right into that one exactly. By

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Speaker 1: the way, let me just say that, like Zach Pascal,

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Speaker 1: I'm channeling my inner tough guy today, just a couple

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Speaker 1: of days ago ahead of wisdom tooth removed. So you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm up here, I'm broadcasting. I'm spitting blood.

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Speaker 1: So I don't want to hear about Kyle van and

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Speaker 1: Bosch and his rehab knees and his surgery repaired shoulders

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Speaker 1: and any of the other stuff. I'm over here taking

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Speaker 1: one for the team. Pascal, by the way, you talk

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Speaker 1: about missing time, has only missed one game or his

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Speaker 1: five seasons in the NFL. His familiarity with Jonathan Gannon

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Speaker 1: last season with the Eagles. Prior to that, when they

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Speaker 1: were together opposite sides of the ball, yes, but with

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Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts. Gannon earlier this morning at the annual

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Speaker 1: league meeting. What Paschool's bringing to the Cardinals, toughness, versatility,

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Speaker 1: He's been a really good player in indian and Philly

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00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: were together two years and I was really excited to

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Speaker 1: get him. I had to recruit him a little bit

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Speaker 1: because other teams wanted him because they see the value

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Speaker 1: that he brings and I'm looking forward to being on

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Speaker 1: Zack's team again. We have a really good relationship. So

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Speaker 1: other teams interested in Zach Pascal, who was looking for

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Speaker 1: an opportunity because as we've talked about, he did not

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Speaker 1: get that opportunity last season with the Eagles. When you

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Speaker 1: have an AJ Brown advante Smith getting most of the targets,

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Speaker 1: whether there's fewer throws coming your way. So even if

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Speaker 1: d Hop is here, maybe if he's not here Kyle

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Yeah, Pascal can do the dirty work,

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Speaker 1: play special teams. He can block. But this is a

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Speaker 1: guy who previously had back to back seasons of four

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Speaker 1: do you or more catches in six hundred plus receiving

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Speaker 1: yards with the Colts. He wants to get back to

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Speaker 1: where he's a playmaker on offense. Yeah, you know, his

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Speaker 1: numbers weren't great last year. As you said, it was

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Speaker 1: just opportunity, right, He was an ascending player, He was

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Speaker 1: a productive player prior to last season. And to me,

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Speaker 1: you know, I love this signing. It's it's one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite free agent signs that the Cardinals have done.

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Speaker 1: This guy is a dog with a w I mean he,

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Speaker 1: just like you said, just loves football, loves to hit,

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Speaker 1: loves contact, loves to be a part of the grind.

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Speaker 1: And when you're bringing in new players, you want them

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Speaker 1: to have some sort of voice. You want them to

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Speaker 1: have some sort of respect. And there is no player

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Speaker 1: in the locker room. I don't care if you are

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Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. I don't care if you're a starting

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Speaker 1: left tackle or you're a Pro Bowl defensive end. No

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Speaker 1: player gets more respect than that guy who's a special

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Speaker 1: team's ace, who goes about his business every single day

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Speaker 1: and loves it, loves the grind, loves the contact. Those

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00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: are the players people follow, not the guy who's looking

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Speaker 1: for a way out of practice. Not the guy who

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Speaker 1: can't play through some sort of injuries like you talked about,

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Speaker 1: he's only missed one game in his career. You want

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Speaker 1: guys that are going to be there every day, put

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Speaker 1: in the work that they need to put in, and

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Speaker 1: love the game of football. And you can hear it

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Speaker 1: in his voice when he talks. And it's what Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Gannon talked about. It was either at his introductory press

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Speaker 1: conference or one of the interviews shortly after talk about

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Speaker 1: how he wants players to love to come to work,

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Speaker 1: to enjoy walking into the building. That is the kind

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Speaker 1: of player that Zach Pascal is. Well, let's hear from

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Speaker 1: Pascal going back to your interview Paul with him recently

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Speaker 1: on the Big Red Rage. Yes, a football player, not

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Speaker 1: just a wide receiver. That's how Zach Pascal describes himself.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times in life, like you get put

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Speaker 1: into a box on what you can do on the

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Speaker 1: talent level. And so for me, I'm listened as a receiver,

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Speaker 1: but I love playing football, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So regardless of what you asked me to do, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to do it times ten. That's just who I am.

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Speaker 1: And so if it's going in block chip or doing

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Speaker 1: a dirty word, even if it's going down and making

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Speaker 1: a tackle. So being an enforcer, it's a mindset. And

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm one of the last few receivers

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Speaker 1: who even has this mindset, you know, to go in

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Speaker 1: and go crazy like that. And that's the quote I

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Speaker 1: wrote down because the question was about how Nick Sirianni

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Speaker 1: called him his enforcer. How many receivers go by the

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Speaker 1: nickname enforcer. Now, once upon a time, the Cardinals had

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Speaker 1: an elite receiver by the name an Kuon Bolten. He

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Speaker 1: got that kind of respect in the locker room as

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Speaker 1: an enforcer, maybe a heinz Ward back in the day.

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Speaker 1: There aren't very many and especially in today's game, that

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Speaker 1: you can say that about. I think it also speaks

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Speaker 1: to the fact Cardinals needed a receiver with size six

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Speaker 1: two two fifteen physical guy. I think it also speaks

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Speaker 1: to probably a lot more of a devotion to the

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Speaker 1: run game this year, a physical run game. You've heard

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Speaker 1: Johnathan Gann and used the word violent in a football sense.

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Speaker 1: So I think there's gonna be a change in attitude,

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Speaker 1: There's gonna be a change in identity. So if you're

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Speaker 1: reading between the lines and some of these sort of players,

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Speaker 1: Zach Pascal, I think fits that mold where this offense

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Speaker 1: is trending towards specially in division, especially when you're going

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Speaker 1: against I mean, the Nighters just went and added Javon

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Speaker 1: Hargrave to Nick Bosa, You're still dealing with Aaron Donald.

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Speaker 1: Most mock drafts have the Seahawks adding Jalen Carter. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a physical, fist fight you got to rebuild

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Speaker 1: the offensive line. You've got to get a different mentality

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Speaker 1: on offense. And Zach Pascal, you're the part of the problem,

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Speaker 1: a part of the solution. He's definitely part of that solution.

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Speaker 1: And it's not just the offense. More from Pascal talking

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Speaker 1: about why he likes playing special teams. I think of

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Speaker 1: it like this. Special teams is a group of special

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Speaker 1: player is doing a special things. You have to be

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Speaker 1: special to do this, you know what I'm saying. It's

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Speaker 1: like an all star team. But the mindset is that

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Speaker 1: what you need for special teams, the mindset, the skill level.

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Speaker 1: Everybody can't run backwards, turn around and block somebody coming

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Speaker 1: full speed at you, you know what I'm saying. Or

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Speaker 1: everybody can't go down and defeat double teams and then

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Speaker 1: go make the tackle, you know, and then you got

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Speaker 1: plump pump return. But for me, my favorite is kickoff

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Speaker 1: because I just like to run full speed, cause wreck

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Speaker 1: and then go make the tackle. Already a fan favor

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Speaker 1: of one Ron Wolfley's, and I don't even believe those

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Speaker 1: two have even met yet. That reminds me of the

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Speaker 1: explanation on the Big Red Rage that DJ Humphreys once

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Speaker 1: gave us about guys like Calvana Bosh are considered maybe

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Speaker 1: the best all around football players on the field because

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Speaker 1: they have to have the speed power off the edge,

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Speaker 1: they have to have the size to stop the run.

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Speaker 1: And DJ Humphreys theory as well, Wait a minute, what

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Speaker 1: does that make me? Because I have to stop those

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Speaker 1: guys while I'm moving backwards? So what does that make

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Speaker 1: me when I have to stop those lead edge rushers

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Speaker 1: if I'm a left tackle in space? And you're Zach

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Speaker 1: Pascal saying the same thing about special teams aces Again,

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Speaker 1: if you missed it, Zach Pascal recently on the Big

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Speaker 1: Red Rage Godacy Cardinals dot com. It was a great

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Speaker 1: interview that Paul Calvisi sat down with Zach Pascal. Again,

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Speaker 1: part of that interview that we didn't touch on, but

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Speaker 1: what he wore when he walked into the facility to

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Speaker 1: sign his contract and do several interviews t shirt that

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Speaker 1: read bet on yourself on the front. And you know what,

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Speaker 1: as an undrafted guy who came in and made a

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Speaker 1: team and proved himself on a daily basis, That's exactly

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Speaker 1: what he's done and so far it has paid off.

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Speaker 1: How many guys come out our old dominion and forge

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Speaker 1: an NFL career. You can count him on one hand.

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Speaker 1: radio network. Everybody talks about Will er Furt that he

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Speaker 1: gives turns into a supernova. Will Anderson doing damage Anderson

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Speaker 1: get there. It was a simple full ration Will Anderson

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Speaker 1: with the sack brow Alabama. So we talked about to

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Speaker 1: a double India chip in. We'll sure Zeck is. One

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Speaker 1: thing you can't do is just leave him one on

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Speaker 1: one swarmed under Lywill Anderson the best pass rusher we've

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Speaker 1: seen in college football in a long time. Quarterback, We'll

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Speaker 1: keep it. It's taken down Will Anderson Junior lying in wait.

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Speaker 1: But this intersecond, this is Will Anderson Junior touchdown holding.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals head coach Jonathan Gannon This morning at the annual

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Speaker 1: League meeting, when it was asked about the draft, quote,

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Speaker 1: if we're sitting at three, great, I'll be excited. If

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Speaker 1: we're not sitting at three, great, I'll be excited. Coach.

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Speaker 1: If you're not sitting at three, you do not have

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to draft Will and her projected to be

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Speaker 1: the number one defensive player off the board, two time

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Speaker 1: winner of the Broncho Nagurski Award, given in the nation's

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Speaker 1: top defensive player six foot four, two hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: three pounds. His head coach in College Alabama's Nick Saban,

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Speaker 1: had this to say on CBS HQ about anderson skill set.

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Speaker 1: You know, he can stand up and play. He's a

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Speaker 1: good rusher off the edge, which I know is a

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Speaker 1: real premium, you know for people in the NFL. I

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Speaker 1: think his ability to turn speed to power is something

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Speaker 1: that you know a lot of guys struggle with when

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Speaker 1: they get in the NFL. But I know he can

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Speaker 1: do that extremely well. So then this guy's a great person.

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Speaker 1: He's got great competitive Character's find a young man as

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Speaker 1: you're ever going to find to be in your organization.

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Speaker 1: So I think he's going to make a huge impact

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Speaker 1: wherever he goes. All sounds great. And another thing, Kyle

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Speaker 1: is when you listen to Anderson speak as far as

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Speaker 1: can he come off the edge or be a defensive end,

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Speaker 1: he believes he could do both. And if it's the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals based off a four to three alignments, well,

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00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 1: the Cardinals need someone coming off the edge, whether that's

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Speaker 1: standing up at the line of scrimmage or getting their

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Speaker 1: hand dirty coming on that three point stands Yeah. To me,

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Speaker 1: his ability, his playmaking ability, his statistics, his production in college,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a slam duncan then you factor in, you know,

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Speaker 1: to me, just watching his I've watched his highlights a

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Speaker 1: few times, his effort stands off, you know, just kind

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Speaker 1: of jumps off the screen when you watch him, which

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Speaker 1: you know, when when all else fails, when you're not winning,

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Speaker 1: when you're going against an elite offensive tackle, you can't

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Speaker 1: get to the quarterback. At least you know you've got

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Speaker 1: that effort. He's that kind of guy. And and when

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Speaker 1: you're in the situation the Cardinals are in, Yes, they

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Speaker 1: need that guy. I talked about it earlier. We need

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Speaker 1: more production up front. We need somebody that can get

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Speaker 1: pressure on the quarterback on a consistent basis. But he

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Speaker 1: is a culture guy. And when you are trying to

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Speaker 1: build a team in the head coach's image, the kind

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Speaker 1: of guy that you know that can be a cornerstone

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Speaker 1: for your organization, those are the kind of guys you

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Speaker 1: want to take in the first round. And that's exactly

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Speaker 1: what Will Anderson is. He's the kind of guy that

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Speaker 1: because of how he works, because of the kind of

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Speaker 1: guy he is, he's gonna be there every day. He's

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Speaker 1: gonna show up every day and he's gonna give you

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Speaker 1: everything he has. And that not only will serve that

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Speaker 1: position well, but it will serve this team well because

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Speaker 1: it will rub off on other players. And you can

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Speaker 1: always point to him and say, look how he plays,

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Speaker 1: just like we saw with Buddha Baker. You know, to me,

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Speaker 1: hopefully he can be if we draft him, he can

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Speaker 1: be that guy where you sitting in the defensive line

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Speaker 1: room and you point to all the other defensive lineman

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Speaker 1: say why aren't you giving this type of effort this

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Speaker 1: guy is And that serves your team, So it has

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Speaker 1: so much value for your team. What I like the

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Speaker 1: most is when you see mel Kiper and a Skyner report,

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Speaker 1: just the one line doesn't take plays off the other.

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Speaker 1: Nick Saban comment at the album of Pro Day last

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Speaker 1: week was to ESPN and he's and I'm quoting now

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Speaker 1: and Will Anderson Junior quote, he has great ability, but

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Speaker 1: he plays to that ability all the time because he

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Speaker 1: is a quote dog ass competitor, says Nick Sabans. So

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Speaker 1: you know what, I will take that every single time.

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Speaker 1: Now there is and I mentioned if you don't stay

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Speaker 1: at three, you have no opportunity to get well in Orson.

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Speaker 1: There is one caveat to that. If you just move

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Speaker 1: down one spot to the Indianapolis Colts at number four

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Speaker 1: and you see three quarterbacks come off the board one, two, three,

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Speaker 1: then not only do you get that draft capital whatever

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Speaker 1: it might be, Kyle, but you get extra pieces. Plus

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Speaker 1: you get a dominant, hopefully an all Pro defensive player

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Speaker 1: that can wreck an offense. Yeah, that best case scenario

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Speaker 1: if we can have it, whether it be the Colts

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Speaker 1: or somebody else that wants to jump to Coltson and

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Speaker 1: they have a quarterback they really like. If we can

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Speaker 1: still hang in that area and have the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: take the first non quarterback in the draft and get

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Speaker 1: another pick to fill another hole, check another box, get

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Speaker 1: another you know rookie that we can develop and build.

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Speaker 1: That's the best case scenario, and hopefully it works out

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Speaker 1: that way. You know how Jonathan Gan has said he's

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Speaker 1: operating as if DeAndre Hopkins is a cardinal right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm operating as if Will Anderson Junior is a Cardinal

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Speaker 1: right now unless the Colts call. And it's interesting to

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Speaker 1: see the Colts recently saying, you know what, we haven't

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Speaker 1: ruled out a Lamar Jackson. You can't tell me that

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Speaker 1: Chris Ballad and MANIASA. Borton haven't had a conversation already.

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Speaker 1: And yet that's another negotiation that might be going on

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Speaker 1: in the press. You know what, we don't have to

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Speaker 1: go a quarterback, say the Colts. No, yes, you do.

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Speaker 1: You do have to figure out quarterback because ever since

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Speaker 1: Andrew Luck left, it's been a disaster in Indianapolis. And

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Speaker 1: remember a year ago, Cardinals and Baltimore Ravens had a

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Speaker 1: deal for Hollywood Brown in what January late January. They

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Speaker 1: struck that deal and both sides sat on it until

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Speaker 1: Draft Ack. Who's to say that something hasn't been sat

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