WEBVTT - Avengers: Doomsday Teasers 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:00.720 Warning. 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:04.240 Today's episode contains spoilers to the extent that they can 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:08.200 be spoiled for the Avengers doomsday teasers, all of which 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:13.000 except for five, the rumored number five, are out now. 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:14.080 So we'll be warned. 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:30.640 Hello. 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:34.520 My name is Jasconcepcion and I'm Rosy Nike and welcome 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:36.239 back to x ray Vision, the podcast where we dive 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:38.440 to deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture. 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:40.360 Coming in from IRA podcast, We're ringing in three episodes 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:41.320 week plus news. 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.760 Plus news, and in today's episode, well, these have. 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:45.279 Been a lot. 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:47.879 I've been making a lot of news and it is 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:52.680 the doomsday trailers. Yes, guys, it's the rollout that's had 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:56.160 the Internet talking over the entirety of the holidays. 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.319 Is it good? Is it bad? Is it working for you? 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:01.520 Do you care? Are you excited? Thoughts coming back? Are 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.080 you excited to see in. 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:07.039 The most recent alleged trailer that you will see If 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:10.560 you were at the Avatar screenings this week, then you 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:13.040 may also get to see a little soue storm name 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:13.520 or action. 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:15.040 But we will be breaking them all down. 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:18.040 We're gonna be talking about all reactions the rollout, our theories. 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:20.759 So yeah, let's diving. 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:24.240 Guys, and we go to welcome super producers Joel and 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:29.080 Ian to join us for this doomsday deep dive. 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:36.800 Okay, the doomsday trailers, let's discuss first, let's talk about 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:38.800 what they are. There was number one, which I think 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:44.280 was the Captain America generated the most ire I think 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.000 from general fan base. 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.360 The one to start with, Well, let's we'll go in 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:50.280 we'll go in order. 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:52.720 Yes, maybe that was not the one to start with, 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:54.200 but I kind of understand why they did so. 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:57.760 Teaser number one is Steve Rogers. 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.880 It is absolutely shot like a cilis and yes we 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:06.400 have seen the re edited pharmaceutical cut. Very good Steve 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:10.040 Rogers teaser and it's him married with a baby and 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:14.880 his beautifully clean, you know, washed and waxed Triumph motorcycle 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:18.080 and Steve picks up the shield, puts down, the baby, 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:20.520 gets on the motorcycle, drives away from his beautiful house. 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:26.200 Teaser too Thor praying in the woods to Odin to 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:31.560 give him, I guess the Odin power in order to 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:36.120 fight one last time to save his daughter who we 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:40.000 met during Thor Love and Thunder, and save the world 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.400 one last time against the villain who we know to 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:47.200 be Doctor Jim. Teaser number three in the X Mansion. 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:53.080 You heard that right in the X Mansion, which is, yeah, 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.160 electricity's off a little bit of a mess. Search lights 0:02:56.200 --> 0:03:02.240 from the sentinels outside pouring through the window. We hear 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:08.880 a narration from Magneto. Magneto and Charles are super old 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:12.200 and they're sitting at a chessboard and they grasp hands. 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:14.560 And then we go to the battle. 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:20.760 Where Scott Summer's Cyclops is in the midst of many 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:24.280 sentinels and he takes off his visor to go full 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:28.120 power against them, and it is on inspiring site. T's 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.200 are four, which is a leak. Okay, so this is 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.880 a leak. This is a leak, folks, Okay, but you 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.160 can probably see it. And so if you don't want 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.040 to know, I guess stop now. 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:38.960 But it's a leak. 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:45.360 We're in some sort of desert ish wasteland. We see 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:49.960 Shurion and Baku. We hear narration from Obacco basically excuse me, 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:55.520 Shury basically talking about the afterlife and what it means 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:59.840 to her and to her people. They meet in the 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:04.400 desert name more shake hands with looks like they've put 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.640 the pass behind them. As they are going to fight 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:10.960 a bigger threat, and they shake hands with Benjamin Groom aka. 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.720 The Thing, and at the end we get this tease 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.960 of Sue walking and name more seeing her and then 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:31.880 everything goes black like and allegedly allegedly that's aged teaser, 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.000 but this one has not been at the cinemas yet, 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:35.919 so we cannot confirm. 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.400 I don't understand where this well, okay, well we'll just 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:40.440 talk about what the rumor is. The rumor is that 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:45.640 read Richard's It's read Richard's focused and he needs to 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.160 find a way to save Franklin. That's the rumor teaser. 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.839 I'm not even sure I know that where that came from. 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:56.040 To me, we already know that he is worried about Franklin, 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:57.640 so it may not seem important to me. 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:00.480 But at the same time, I will say, so far, all. 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:02.880 Of the rumors and leaks, as you know, guys, it's 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.560 not something we often report on, but they have actually 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:08.680 all been absolutely correct to the teasers, which is why 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:11.640 we are even bringing them up. I also want to say, 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:17.599 I am realizing guys now a shocking thing, which is 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:23.040 Avengers Doomsday, has the same plot as Twilight Breaking Dawn 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:23.520 pot two. 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.880 It's literally we don't know that, but it's interesting. 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:32.880 Let's wait, wait to lay that out. Let's let's okay, 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:33.680 wait second. 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:35.640 Jason, quickly, let me just ask you, what do you 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.719 think our odds are of getting a full doomsday trailer 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.200 that brings all of these together during the Super Bowl. 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:43.000 I'm guessing it's basically one hundred. 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:46.680 Percent one hundred I think the Super Bowl rollout has been, 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:51.320 you know, a tried and true Marvel strategy for a 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:54.240 long time. The Avengers, the first of very first Avengers 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:57.840 trailer debuted on the Super Bowl. I assume that he 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:02.159 will do that again. You know, they're basically rerunning the 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:06.000 early blueprint for success, which I think is part of 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:07.120 why this is divisive. 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:07.839 But I'm excited. 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:12.000 You know, like when the X Men one dropped, we 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:14.320 had some internal conversations like is this AI? 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:15.760 Could this possibly really? 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:20.720 Like that's how that's how much? That's how surreal this is. 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:24.200 You're wondering, like shit, they're really is this really it? Okay, 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:26.960 let's take a quick break. We'll come back and then 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.919 we will talk about our reactions to the to the teasers, 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.000 our reaction to Marvel's rollout strategy. 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:34.560 Our reaction to. 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:38.560 These, I'm gonna put them in quotes, leaks, Marvel's doing 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:41.120 this themselves, and. 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:44.480 What we think you know, theories, what do we think 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:44.960 they're doing? 0:06:45.720 --> 0:07:00.640 Right back after this, Welcome back, Welcome to the programs, 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:02.640 Sheer produces Joel and Ian. 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:03.320 How are you? 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.080 Yeah, that's good. I'm excited to talk. 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:13.600 So much, she said, Bitch, I'm not excited. I'm not exciting. 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:17.320 I'm feeling good. The hype is building for me. I'm 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:19.000 excited the same same here. 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.120 Reactions from you too to the show. Quick reactions. 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.560 Okay, guys, I was in Avatar, Fire and Ash for 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:29.960 the Captain America release. It's in Burbank. If you've never 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.360 seen a movie in Burbank, it's my favorite movie town. 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.840 I'm gonna be honest. The reactions there are next level. 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:41.160 They love a movie in Burbank. They're Marvel obsessives. So 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.960 first time on everyone's like, oh, oh is that cap on? 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:48.040 The ear's really excited for whatever reason. When the baby 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:54.000 gets shown, someone behind me said, no, anoxious grown I've 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.240 heard in a theater in a long time. This is 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.440 before Avatar, Fire and Ash, where there would be many 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:06.840 groans from the audience. I okay, I'm excited that we're 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:11.080 getting this much insight into the movie, right, like the 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.120 fact that they want to start releasing trailers now, the 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.960 fact that we're on this like long haul sort of thing. 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:20.640 But as I was telling Ian yesterday, I'm a little 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:24.800 over dad culture. I'm a little over every man in 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.720 the MCU has become a father and his whole world 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:31.040 is his child. That's a great story. It's a beautiful story. 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.000 Does it have to be every character's story? 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:39.720 I think, no, no, no, it's not. Guys I had 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:40.679 this is my point. 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.800 Every major Avenger has a baby now, Scarlet, which is 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:48.280 said every major Avenger baby, Clinton has kids, Thol has kids, Well, 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:49.640 Tony has kids. 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:55.960 Every man has aid I can dream it. 0:08:56.120 --> 0:09:00.000 I mean, I think, first of all, I okay, no, sorry, continue, 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.000 but we'll talk about that. I'm just talking about within 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.959 the trailers, there's only only. 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.200 Oh yeah, it's not been every single one has had 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.960 it has involved a baby yet, but it hasn't done 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:11.640 that yet. 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:14.760 So the trailers fifty percent are and we're coming into Doom. 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.880 And the first thing we get of Doom is He's like, 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.240 look at this child, and I'm like, I get it, Okay, 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.040 children in the future, being a dad is hard. I'm 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:24.760 just hoping that we're gonna go a different day. Even 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:27.120 in X Men, Charles six Xavier is all of those 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.839 children's daddies, Like, none of them have parents that love them. 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:33.360 It's just Charles. So I just on that note, like, 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:36.080 I'm really hoping. You know, what I loved about the 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:40.839 original Avengers trilogy of movies was like, oh, wow, you're 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:44.040 really seeing a team come together. You're really seeing how 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:48.000 it expands the world. You're exploring these characters on the 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.480 periphery that you've sort of started to like. You know, 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:53.559 when we first get Scarlet as a black widow, she's 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:55.120 sort of just in the background here and there. A 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:57.440 couple of cool fight scenes. Now you get a whole 0:09:57.520 --> 0:09:59.959 rich texture of who this person is. That's a really 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.160 he drew me into the Avengers movies as tent poles. 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:06.800 I really need that to happen here, Ian, what are 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:08.960 you loving about these first trailers? 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:13.160 Okay, so a few things. The actual content of the 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:16.280 trailers themselves. You know, Steve Rogers returning was like the 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:19.120 worst kept secret ever. That was like I think a 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.520 rumored or leaked Or announced like almost a year ago, 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.640 so like nobody was surprised. And I went to see 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.120 Avatar that first week to see this trailer in person, 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:29.200 and I kind of regret going to see that one 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.120 because it was like kind of a nothing burger at 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.520 the teasers, just like, Okay, he's in the movie, he 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:35.920 has a baby. I think one person in the theater 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.520 let out like a half hearted like whoo, and then 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.080 some other people laughed and that was about it. So 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:44.000 it's like, Okay, vibes are like not as high as 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:48.040 I would have hoped, but okay, but cool that he's 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.400 coming back, all right, That's fine. The second one with Thor, 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.800 I also agree a little bit of a nothing burger. 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:54.760 But I will say, because we knew he was gonna 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.240 be in the movie from the set chair announcement, I 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:59.240 will say, this does seem like a little bit more 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:02.199 of a serious Thor. I think we're maybe getting like 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.080 a little odin forced King Thor kind of vibe, which 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:06.920 I think is a nice kind of swing back in 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.360 the right direction. Because Love and Thunder I really did 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:13.000 not like that movie. I think Taika overdid the comedic 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.959 aspect of it. They overinduced on that also, so I 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.000 think this is kind of leaning back in the right 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:19.800 direction for Thor. So I think this will be an 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:21.120 improvement on the characterization. 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:24.760 Chris has talked a lot about wanting to make it, 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.040 so this was like more in the middle of the 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:29.600 old Thor And then what was great about Ragnarok? So 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:31.720 I think you're totally right in this is like a wreck. 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:32.600 It's like a fix. 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:35.520 It's like a fix, which is what Ragnarok was originally, 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:36.760 So we can do it again. 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.959 Agreed. And then for the third one, when I first 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.680 saw that, I was like, Oh, this has to be fake. 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:47.040 This is ai because like the comic accurate cyclops they're doing, 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.040 they're finally giving James mars and his duo. Was like, 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.120 I don't know, this looks too good to be true. 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:53.080 And then when the official one came out, I was like, 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.520 oh shit, they're cooking. So that one got me excited. 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.679 That one got me excited. We're gonna see Sentinels, comic 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:02.080 accurate cyclops, We're find James marsin finally getting his do 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:06.319 love it. And then the last one that's just classic, 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:10.280 like big crossover tent pole like synergy, like seeing these 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.600 characters interact together on screen that you would never, you know, 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:15.840 think would be together. That's just like the magic of 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:19.559 these Marvel movies. So that also got me excited. So 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:22.439 the last two really, like the hype is starting to 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:24.840 build for me. I'm in like, let's let's get it going. 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:26.599 I wish I had a time machine because like a 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:28.720 year is a long time to wait, but let's let's 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:29.719 get it. 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:33.920 It's been interesting to me to see. I agree that 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:36.559 the Steve Rodgers one is kind of the weakest, which 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.560 is probably why they released it first. It's been kind 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:45.760 of like escalating hype index as each of these teasers 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:46.360 has come out. 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.360 So I think in retrospect that was smart. 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:53.080 And you know, it's a friend of the pod, Peter 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:54.720 who's seen our discord. 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:58.079 He was like, this is desperate from Marvel's desperate stuff. 0:12:58.120 --> 0:12:59.200 When that was really nice. 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:03.120 I I think we can quibble about the execution, but 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.400 I have to say I think that this is and 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.200 I've talked about it before, I think this is both 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:12.800 smart and the only thing kind of like the only 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:16.880 thing that they really can and should do, which is 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.560 fix the ending, almost like a meta endgame. They have 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.959 to time heist themselves and go back and fix what happened, 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.760 what went wrong at the end of phase three four 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.600 and fix it. Now you know, Kang did not work 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.760 out for reasons, any reasons kind. 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:35.720 Of beyond people's control. 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.040 Right, That was supposed to be the way to tie 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.160 all of this up, didn't They didn't manage. 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:41.319 To do that. 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:45.400 There was a world's historical pandemic, and other things happened, 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.600 and so Marvel just kind of like hit yeah, multiple 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:55.040 obstacles that they couldn't really predict. And thus their handoff 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:58.160 if we think about this like a relay race, their 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.480 handoff to the next generation kind of sputtered, like it 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:05.240 was spotty at best and never really landed. And I 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.160 think the thing that they need to do, and the 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:11.760 why I'm fine with the babies is they gotta hand 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:12.760 it off to the next generation. 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:13.559 They gotta hand it off. 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.760 I love the way to do that. 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:19.440 No, they have to hand it off. They have to 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:22.320 hand it off strong. They listen, Thor is dead after 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:23.480 this period. 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:26.240 But take over this series. 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:27.880 No, it's got me. 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:33.280 I don't think that's the great performers who are prepared 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:35.320 to take this over. Who you are not teeing up 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:37.800 to do this? If we were really interested in the 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.520 next elevation. It would be Scarlett Joe hands it, it would 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:48.240 be Hailey Steinfeld. It would be dead Scarlet Joe Hanson. 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.720 Who am I thinking the other one? Florence Florence Peel 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:57.000 is Florence and Haley Steinfeld taking the lead. 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:59.040 I'm gonna tell you guys why that's not gonna happen. 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.440 It's really simple. They don't have money. 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:03.120 Here's the reason. Here's the reason. 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:06.200 It can't be Florence Pure and Hailey Steinfeld. They bench 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:11.400 sixty pounds. They're not the core heroes in the Marvel universe. 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:12.080 I'm sorry. 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:14.920 One shoots of Bow and Arrow and the other one 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.200 like can't curl thirties. 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:23.840 Like that'n is fucking no franchising, no, Jason, do you 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:28.440 have okay? Right, I'm bringing down I'm bringing Dad the 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.080 hammer right. First of all, First of all, First of all, 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:35.000 first yeah, yeah, First of all, Young Avengers isn't happening 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.640 because there will be a miserings that's gonna happen. But 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:39.840 that's not happening the way they wanted it to because 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:41.800 they took too long. The people got too famous, they 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.840 asked too much money, and also Disney wants to make money, 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:46.280 so it's going back to what he used to do. 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:48.800 I think the reason that this is the plot is 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:50.840 because I think this is the same plot that it 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.240 was gonna be when it was Kang guys. Kang was 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:56.120 going around to collect all the babies to stop the 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:59.560 Next Avengers from being made in the future, a version 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:03.440 of the Next Avengers that defeats him. That is essentially 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:06.040 why basically the plot of Madam Webb, which is hilarious, 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.480 but yes, I think that would have already been Kang's plan, 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:11.400 and I think they just replaced it with Doom and 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:15.160 they're gonna bring in this element Franklin. But also I 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:18.160 just think that the sad truth is that they did 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.920 not commit to when the Young Avengers could have worked, 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:26.000 which was straight after Endgame, when people still cared about 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:28.040 those comics. They were still talking about those as the 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.280 best comics ever made, which is true, they are some 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.800 of the best comics ever made. But the conversation around 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:37.760 comics and Marvel the Young Avengers series came out like eleven, twelve, 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:41.840 thirteen years ago now, so like it's not even a 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:43.680 hot drawer in the way it was that people were 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:47.440 talking about I would love to see Hayley and Miss 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:49.960 Marvel and all of that as the new core Avengers team. 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.000 But sadly, I don't think that's what Disney thinks sells. 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:53.480 So I don't. 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.400 But I also don't think that the babies are gonna 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:58.240 be the next thing. I think what Jason is right 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:01.040 about is this is the ending. I think they're rebooting 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:04.080 the ending and then we'll get off to that what 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.440 should have happened. I hope now they have a plan. 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:07.080 I think. 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.320 And by the way, like when I say the babies, 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:11.280 I'm not saying like they are all of it. I 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:15.359 am including like Miss Marvel, flor you know, like Florence Pugh. 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:20.560 Yeah, it's aboot for everybody's a handleff because the handoff 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:21.439 never worked. 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:22.919 It just didn't happen. 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:24.480 Now, I do think that there's a world in which 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:28.080 Disney looks at this and says, you guys had your shot, 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.159 and maybe we need to keep our options open to 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.879 go in a different direction. I think so, and maybe 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:35.720 that's the case, but I will say that I think 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:40.280 visa visa Kang plan. I agree it would make sense 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:42.880 to map that, but I also think the Russos came 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.320 in with all the leverage in the world, and my 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.680 sense of creators coming back with leverage is nobody wants 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:50.399 to do the thing that the other guy was going 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:50.639 to do. 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:51.520 Nobody. 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.560 They always want to be like, well, this is my 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:58.720 take on it. And the Russo's coming back was they 0:17:58.760 --> 0:17:59.919 came back on their terms. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:01.919 They did, but at the same time, like the. 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:04.160 Fact that they had major flops. 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:07.479 Yeah, yeah, they had major flops, but like this is 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:09.760 this is a getting the band back together and they 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:10.760 are a major part of that. 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:12.640 So I do wonder if. 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:17.520 If the Kang plan hasn't changed significantly, I think I 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.440 think that's why I think this is smart. That's separate 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:25.240 from the this is I think this is smart strategy 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:29.240 to reboot the ending. That's separate and aside from whether 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:33.560 the execution as we know of it now with these 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:36.560 the teasers that exist, if that has been done well, 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.760 I would argue that it's like an average would give 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:41.800 them a C a C plus at this point. 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:44.199 But I also think a lot of the reaction is 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:45.680 people are is jade. 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.320 People are jaded, like people are just like DC's coming, 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:52.600 they got Sebastian stand now, Marvel's on its ass, like 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:54.760 and I just think a lot of that is also, guys, 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.360 let's not be let's not facility reality. 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:58.639 But I think a lot of that is perception. 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:02.280 It's perception because also, guys, what your people aren't thinking 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:04.640 about is like James Gunn has had like a two 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.480 years of success, Kevin Faige had ten. 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.560 Like, let's not pretend that the MCU was not the 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:11.440 hit that it was. 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:14.960 The question now that I love that Ian brought up 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.600 in pre pro and in the stock is like, and 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.439 Ian talk about this a little, what is the pitch 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:25.639 to kids or people in that early twenties who didn't 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:28.000 grow up with the X Men series and who you know, 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:29.960 maybe weren't even if you're eight, you were born the 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:32.119 year End Game was born. What if your parents aren't 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:33.840 into this? What if you never got into it? Like, 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:36.040 how do you pitch this to make people care? 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:38.480 That was gonna be one of my big questions. You know, 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:42.119 is leaning so heavily into nostalgia for the Infinity saga 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:43.760 and these X Men movies, some of which are like 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.560 twenty years over twenty years old, you know, is that 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:50.080 misguided or is that necessary? Who was really the target 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:53.600 audience for that level of nostalgia. To Rosie's point, you 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:57.760 know these movies, if you're in your teens or early twenties, 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:00.159 you probably have little connection to some of the these 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:04.200 older films or characters. So I don't know. I think 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:07.640 that is an interesting conundrum that they might be creating 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:11.080 for themselves with this really heavy lean into nostalgia with 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:14.280 these trailers. But at the same time, you know, people 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:17.320 my age and the diehard MCU fans, we're old enough, 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:19.199 we have the money. That's what they're really after. We 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:21.720 got money to be a hit, say, they need this 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:23.760 to be a hit. So I mean, I think they're 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:27.359 trying to appeal to the widest range of Marvel fans 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:31.119 possible to get butts in seats because they're desperate for 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:31.480 a hit. 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:35.000 I do think the later trailers are going to have 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:39.159