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Speaker 1: Warning.

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Speaker 2: Today's episode contains spoilers to the extent that they can

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Speaker 2: be spoiled for the Avengers doomsday teasers, all of which

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Speaker 2: except for five, the rumored number five, are out now.

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Speaker 1: So we'll be warned.

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Speaker 3: Hello.

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Speaker 2: My name is Jasconcepcion and I'm Rosy Nike and welcome

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Speaker 2: back to x ray Vision, the podcast where we dive

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Speaker 2: to deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture.

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Speaker 2: Coming in from IRA podcast, We're ringing in three episodes

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Speaker 2: week plus news.

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Speaker 4: Plus news, and in today's episode, well, these have.

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Speaker 5: Been a lot.

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Speaker 4: I've been making a lot of news and it is

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Speaker 4: the doomsday trailers. Yes, guys, it's the rollout that's had

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Speaker 4: the Internet talking over the entirety of the holidays.

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Speaker 5: Is it good? Is it bad? Is it working for you?

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Speaker 5: Do you care? Are you excited? Thoughts coming back? Are

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Speaker 5: you excited to see in.

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Speaker 4: The most recent alleged trailer that you will see If

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Speaker 4: you were at the Avatar screenings this week, then you

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Speaker 4: may also get to see a little soue storm name

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Speaker 4: or action.

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Speaker 5: But we will be breaking them all down.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna be talking about all reactions the rollout, our theories.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, let's diving.

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Speaker 4: Guys, and we go to welcome super producers Joel and

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Speaker 4: Ian to join us for this doomsday deep dive.

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Speaker 2: Okay, the doomsday trailers, let's discuss first, let's talk about

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Speaker 2: what they are. There was number one, which I think

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Speaker 5: The one to start with, Well, let's we'll go in

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Speaker 5: we'll go in order.

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Speaker 2: Yes, maybe that was not the one to start with,

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Speaker 1: Teaser number one is Steve Rogers.

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Speaker 2: It is absolutely shot like a cilis and yes we

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Speaker 2: have seen the re edited pharmaceutical cut. Very good Steve

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Speaker 2: Teaser too Thor praying in the woods to Odin to

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Speaker 2: be Doctor Jim. Teaser number three in the X Mansion.

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Speaker 2: You heard that right in the X Mansion, which is, yeah,

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Speaker 2: electricity's off a little bit of a mess. Search lights

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Speaker 2: a narration from Magneto. Magneto and Charles are super old

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Speaker 1: And then we go to the battle.

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Speaker 2: Where Scott Summer's Cyclops is in the midst of many

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Speaker 2: power against them, and it is on inspiring site. T's

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Speaker 2: are four, which is a leak. Okay, so this is

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Speaker 2: a leak. This is a leak, folks, Okay, but you

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Speaker 1: But it's a leak.

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Speaker 2: We're in some sort of desert ish wasteland. We see

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Speaker 5: But at the same time, I will say, so far, all.

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Speaker 4: Of the rumors and leaks, as you know, guys, it's

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Speaker 5: It's literally we don't know that, but it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: You know, like when the X Men one dropped, we

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Speaker 2: Like that's how that's how much? That's how surreal this is.

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Speaker 2: we will talk about our reactions to the to the teasers,

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Speaker 2: our reaction to Marvel's rollout strategy.

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Speaker 2: These, I'm gonna put them in quotes, leaks, Marvel's doing

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Speaker 2: Right back after this, Welcome back, Welcome to the programs,

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Speaker 2: Sheer produces Joel and Ian.

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Speaker 6: How are you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good. I'm excited to talk.

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Speaker 5: So much, she said, Bitch, I'm not excited. I'm not exciting.

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Speaker 7: I'm feeling good. The hype is building for me. I'm

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Speaker 1: Reactions from you too to the show. Quick reactions.

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Speaker 3: Okay, guys, I was in Avatar, Fire and Ash for

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest. The reactions there are next level.

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Speaker 3: But as I was telling Ian yesterday, I'm a little

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Speaker 3: over dad culture. I'm a little over every man in

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Speaker 3: Does it have to be every character's story?

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Speaker 5: this is my point.

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Speaker 4: Every major Avenger has a baby now, Scarlet, which is

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Speaker 4: said every major Avenger baby, Clinton has kids, Thol has kids, Well,

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Speaker 5: Every man has aid I can dream it.

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Speaker 2: but we'll talk about that. I'm just talking about within

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's not been every single one has had

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Speaker 4: Like that'n is fucking no franchising, no, Jason, do you

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Speaker 4: about this, Like, what's the trailer they could do that

439
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 4: would snowball Joel into Oh maybe this could be good.

440
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,199
Speaker 3: As a villain's girly and Marvel has given us some

441
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 3: really delicious villains over the years, and I think the

442
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 3: big question for everyone is why did it have to

443
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 3: be RDJ coming back as Doom. I was like a

444
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 3: little insight into the larger plan. I want a little

445
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 3: of Doom toirl and his cape in his layer, or

446
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 3: you know, perhaps him like working over a computer. You

447
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 3: could give me a nineties inspector gave a baby in

448
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 3: style moment of like oh yeah, yeah, I just want

449
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 3: you know, maybe maybe it's him just putting on the

450
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 3: mask and we see a little bit of the face

451
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 3: underneath something that just gives me some more insight into

452
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 3: doom doom state of mind. Is he from this universe

453
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 3: or not? I don't answer all the questions obviously, but

454
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 3: just one big one that leads me to ask many

455
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 3: more questions would be great because you know, I think

456
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 3: as we're looking at these trailers, you know, Jason in

457
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 3: the group chat was talking about some of his theories

458
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 3: for you know, if they're trying to undo what's been done, right,

459
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 3: what does that look like? And Jason, you had this

460
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 3: really great theory of like how RDJ was coming back

461
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 3: and what they were gonna do with this Doom character.

462
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 3: Do you remember talking about this at all? So like,

463
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 3: obviously we could talk more about Jason's theory later, but

464
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 3: it was it was leading me to really consider, like

465
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 3: what is the importance within the role out going forward?

466
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 3: And I do think it's I need to know more

467
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 3: about Doom and is there stuff you need in the

468
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 3: role out going forward to release solidify this film for you?

469
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 7: I think I agree with you, we need some kind

470
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 7: of a little bit of Doom. I don't want them

471
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 7: to give away too much too early. I think they

472
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 7: can save some of the bigger Doom reveals for later

473
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 7: in the cycle. But I think just ad little teas

474
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 7: or at least just like see the mask or the

475
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 7: costume in a little bit fuller sense than we did

476
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 7: in the post credit scene from Fantastic Four, just even

477
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 7: like a one second flash of it. I think something

478
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 7: like that would be great. Before we move on to

479
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 7: theories and speculations about the rollout, one last thing I

480
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 7: want to talk about is the leaks of it all.

481
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 7: And you know, obviously Marvel and Disney have been dealing

482
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 7: with leaks for these big Marvel films pretty much for

483
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 7: the entire time the franchise has existed. But this particular

484
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 7: strategy with doing these weekly little teaser releases only in

485
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 7: theaters I think has created a bigger problem for them

486
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 7: that maybe they didn't anticipate, or maybe that they didn't

487
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 7: think would be as big of an issue, because a

488
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 7: like cell phone footage of the teasers ended up online

489
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 7: almost immediately as soon as the first one started showing

490
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 7: in theaters, and that's happened consistently. As we mentioned earlier,

491
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 7: all the leaked plot or details of what these teasers

492
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 7: would contain ended up being correct for the most part,

493
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 7: and there's been a huge influx of AI generated teasers

494
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 7: based on those descriptions that ended up being accurate. So

495
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 7: it's like beating out the actual teasers online. So like Disney,

496
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 7: I think kind of created this own problem for themselves

497
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:23,239
Speaker 7: by doing this strategy of releasing them exclusively in theaters first, Like,

498
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 7: what do you guys think about that? Because I think

499
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 7: that kind of shot themselves in the foot with us.

500
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 2: What's the problem. Well, I don't understand, though, what the problem?

501
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 2: I guess the problem access to me.

502
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 7: They're not in control of the rollout. They're getting beat

503
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 7: by slop you know.

504
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't agree. Here's my big brain theory.

505
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 2: I think Disney desperately needs, of course Dooms Day to

506
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: be success, but beyond that, they need to project. They

507
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 2: need to create hype, and they also need to project

508
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: the perception of hype. And I think people being jazzed

509
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: up enough to fit to like risk being thrown out

510
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: of the theater to film the thing and then to

511
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: film the trailer and then leak it online, being jazzed

512
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: up enough to like figure out a workaround to the

513
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: IP constrictions on various AI sites to create trailers like

514
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: go out and make trailers that are accurate enough. I

515
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: think all of that lends to this feeling of whoa

516
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 2: people are excited, like forget what the reaction of Like

517
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 2: individual people are Yeah, people are like they can't wait

518
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 2: for it, they're excited for They're so excited for it,

519
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: they're making their own ones, like I've never before heard,

520
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: Like there's that, you know, we have We've been wondering,

521
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 2: like where did this rumor of the read centric leak

522
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 2: come from?

523
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 5: I've never seen.

524
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: I struggle to remember a time that there's been a

525
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 2: like a teaser for a leak, like we're getting a

526
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 2: leak about a leak about.

527
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 5: An upcoming leak.

528
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 4: Here's the leak it's gonna like, And all of it

529
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 4: feels too strand strategic to me, Like I've never heard

530
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 4: that before.

531
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 5: Like I think Disney is playing a part in it.

532
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 4: I actually think Ian you are prescient in seeing that

533
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 4: it could become a problem, because I do think this

534
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 4: is part of Disney's issues with acquiescing too much to AI.

535
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 4: There was great reporting recently, I believe it was in

536
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 4: the Rap I think, but about how these studios had

537
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 4: actually been making tons of ad money off the AI ads,

538
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 4: and how they'd found loopholes to be able to make

539
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 4: money off people making these fake ads. But those fake

540
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 4: ads have decimated people's trust like, this is the thing

541
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 4: that I think people can't really consider how quickly we

542
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 4: literally all had.

543
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 5: To go in there and go is this AI? And

544
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 5: that's Marvel's biggest trailer.

545
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 4: I think that is an existential problem they are creating

546
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 4: for themselves in the future, whether or not it's a

547
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 4: problem right now, when their success is going well and

548
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 4: people love these trailers and there's a lot of AI

549
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 4: trailers that make a lot of money, and people actually

550
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 4: have started watching.

551
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 5: Them knowing their AI.

552
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,239
Speaker 4: I think that that's its own conversation. But I do

553
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 4: think ian they may have set themselves up here for

554
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 4: a problem because this may be a rollout they wanted

555
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 4: for this movie, but they may not be happy when

556
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 4: people start replicating it with every other rollout that they do.

557
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 4: Then they might start sending out some seasoned desist lets,

558
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 4: you know.

559
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 3: I think, particularly when you consider the amount of conversations

560
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 3: we've had around the graphics in Marvel films and people

561
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 3: wondering like is this AI, and like how clean is this?

562
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: And the ethics reports and all of that, you know,

563
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: I do wonder if having trailers that are indistinguishable from AI,

564
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: where that leads folks in that conversation to go down

565
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 3: the road. But I yeah, but I also think, like

566
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 3: to Jason's point, at this stage in rollout, if people

567
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: are yapping, like that's kind of the goal, Like we're

568
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 3: not selling tickets. Yeah, the movie is not how very

569
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 3: much for you to do, but just to generate conversation,

570
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 3: and of course you want that conversation to be positive.

571
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 3: But even if the conversation is just happening, like, that's

572
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: kind of good enough for where they're at right now.

573
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 3: So I think Disney is happy with the way everything's

574
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: been going so far, and I think the Super Bowl

575
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 3: commercials will sort of be the the first stamp. I'm like,

576
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 3: is this going well or not?

577
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 4: I also will say I think that this before we

578
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 4: finish on the rollout. I also think that right now

579
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 4: they're learning from problems they've had before, which is like

580
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 4: they either waited too late and then randomly showed too much,

581
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 4: or they got people hyped too early but didn't escalate,

582
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 4: and we're just showing the same thing again and again.

583
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 4: I think what they're doing here is actually responding to fans,

584
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 4: teasing tone actors.

585
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 5: No plot.

586
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 4: Now, we're going to talk about plot after this break

587
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 4: when we feel on this but there is no plot currently.

588
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 4: So come back up the break and we will give

589
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 4: you all theories, our best theories, starting with Jason's legendary theory.

590
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 5: Kevin Fay, you admit that you're behind the leaks.

591
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 6: Admit it, have mit it, and we're back.

592
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about As Rosie mentioned, there's very little

593
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: plot in these very little other than heroes seeming to

594
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: unite to take on a major threat who we assumed

595
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 2: to be doomed. Yeah, there appears to be very little

596
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: in this in these trailers that could tell us anything

597
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 2: about anything. So now let's talk about our theories about

598
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: what is going on.

599
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: Rosie. You laid out your dads the dad's theory, we'll

600
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: call it.

601
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 4: I do have the dad's theory, the dad's there kidnapping theory.

602
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 4: The kidnapping theory he wants the babies for some reason

603
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 4: he's trying to stop. I also want to lay out

604
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 4: while we were talking about this earlier on and laying

605
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 4: out all the different people who have babies, and the

606
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 4: fact that all these different people are coming together and

607
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 4: read Richard's may be struggling to try and find Franklin,

608
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 4: so they have to find other superhero babies to maybe

609
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 4: work out how to say, Franklin, that sounds very much

610
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 4: to me like a famous movie.

611
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 5: Twilight Breaking Dorm Pot two.

612
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 4: I think this has the same plotline as Twilight Breaking

613
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 4: Dorm Pot two. I think these motherfuckers are getting a

614
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 4: giant team together to save a creepy powered baby that's

615
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 4: gonna have bad CGI and at the end they're gonna

616
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 4: find out the baby can be okay because one of

617
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 4: these other superhero babies. And guess what, that's some Twilight

618
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 4: fucking shit, guys. So that's my current funny theory because

619
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 4: I'm like, is this doomsday? But yeah, probably, I'm saying

620
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 4: next Avengers, Ian's gonna touch on some other comic bookie

621
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 4: kind of stuff that I talk that we talked about

622
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 4: later as well, that we have theories about. But Jason,

623
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 4: lay us out your doom theory because to me, it's

624
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 4: the only one that's got me excited yet.

625
00:31:53,320 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: My doom theory is that doctor Doom is the Tony

626
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: Stark that won Civil War. So crazy find an alternate dimension.

627
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: We find an altered dimension in which you know, Steve

628
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: and Winner Soldier fail to stop Tony. Tony maybe goes

629
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: crazy kills them both and then realizes, you know, I

630
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: never should have done this. I never should have assembled

631
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: the Avengers. I should I actually should wrap the world

632
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: in a suit of armor, and not just the world.

633
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: I should. I should once he discovers.

634
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: It, there's a multiverse, I should wrap the multiverse.

635
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: In a suit of armor.

636
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: This brings him into conflict with Thanos, who he defeats

637
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: somehow and becomes super super super super powerful, and that

638
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: is who we're fighting. As for what he's doing, I

639
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: do kind of like the idea. I think that he

640
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: wants to protect the multiverse from threats. I think he

641
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: considers Thanos a threat. I think he would consider other

642
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: similar power level being s Mephisto, the beyond Er to

643
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: be a Franklin to be a threat in that way.

644
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: And I think that his plan is to kind of

645
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 2: like unite the multi verses, remold them in his image,

646
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: and potentially, if it's anything like Secret Wars, like the

647
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: most the most recent Secret Wars, then co opt some

648
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: of these multidimensional versions of characters to be his police force,

649
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: to kind of like guard his making of reality in that.

650
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: With that in mind, I think I am kind of

651
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: wondering if mutants aren't going to be like the guard

652
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: like Dooms guard dogs.

653
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 5: It's imperial.

654
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: They're getting they're getting wiped out on whatever in whatever

655
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: dimension is. But Doom sweeps in and says, I can

656
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: put a stop to all of this.

657
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Speaker 1: I can give you guys.

658
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: Freedom and security and safety that you or yourselves are

659
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 2: in charge of. We just need to make sure these

660
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: guys who create this reality of hugely powerful, artificially intelligent

661
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 2: killing machines, we need to make sure that they never rise,

662
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: that that never happens. So you're and I think maybe

663
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: there's a world in which he co opts the X

664
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: Men to that end.

665
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 5: I think would set up the X Men conflict.

666
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: We need to And I think the fact that Xavier

667
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: and Magneto are so old, like they went back to

668
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 2: the og, which I think is absolutely smart.

669
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: I think that we are. My sense is they die

670
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: in the opening ten minutes of this.

671
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we're gonna, okay, We're gonna watch the Sentinels

672
00:34:54,200 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 2: go fucking ham right on some mutant dimension and they

673
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 2: take out Charles and Magneto, and then Doom sweeps in

674
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: and is.

675
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 7: Like, we're gonna kill Patrick. What for the third time?

676
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 5: We're gonna make sure this never happens again.

677
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: Yes, Charles dies enough times and we're re desensitized to it.

678
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 3: They're like, you know what the deal is, Ylle shows up,

679
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 3: we kill him. That's that's our new relationship.

680
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, he wheels in and we just snap his neck.

681
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 7: That's what we do, baby.

682
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 5: Snap his neck this time.

683
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 4: Would be funny if he was killed by someone related

684
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 4: to Scarlet Witch as well, Like, let's just keep it going.

685
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 4: Maybe Magneto kills him.

686
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 5: Who knows? I was gonna say.

687
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 4: In regards to that aspect of who is gonna die, Joel,

688
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 4: who are you most hoping.

689
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 5: To see finally bite the bullet hair?

690
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of excitement from women in my

691
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 4: lives about maybe seeing Cyclops die again.

692
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 5: People love to see that man die, but some boys

693
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 5: love him.

694
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 4: He's a good blue out boy. You hoping Steve Rodgers

695
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 4: is gonna die? What are your odds on, Joel? Who's dying?

696
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 5: Who's surviving who?

697
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 3: This is so hard because I don't feel like we've

698
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: had enough time with hardly anyone to justify like a

699
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 3: satisfactory death. Like I feel like my theory is Helmsworth

700
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 3: goes the distance I think Kemsworth is ninety still playing Thor.

701
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 3: I don't think we ever really lose Thor. You can't

702
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 3: kill Look, he's a time king now, but he really

703
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: needs to be here, I think the only person who

704
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 3: really needs But it's too early. I want another saga

705
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 3: of a villain, like I don't want Doomsday to Doom

706
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 3: to die because like he's brand new, and I love

707
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 3: Doom as a villain. He's so delicious. I don't but okay, okay,

708
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: but it's I'm in the camp. This is an alternate

709
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 3: universe Doom, right and Xat real world Doom is played

710
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 3: by a different character. We've now seen enough different characters,

711
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 3: different actors. So my hope is that rd J Doom dies.

712
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 3: My messy theory is that they're gonna pull like a

713
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: Wilson Fisk from into the Spider Verse, where like, oh,

714
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 3: it seems like he's doing all of these shenanigans because

715
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 3: he's evil, but now he just misses his girl. He's like,

716
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 3: my sue is no longer here. This Sue seems good enough.

717
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 3: I know she's married to a Doude. She's not sticking

718
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 3: with that guy, So maybe I'll come back here and

719
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 3: try my luck. That's kind of what I hope it

720
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 3: is because it's a smaller scale event, and that's sort

721
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 3: of what I think Marvel is at its peak. Like, yes,

722
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 3: I love Endgame and all the big stuff, but to me,

723
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: when it's like interpersonal and small, it's when it has

724
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 3: the most emotional impact. So if Tony Stars Doom comes

725
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 3: back for Sue, creates a lot of problems and then

726
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: bites the bullet, I would find that satisfactory.

727
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 4: I like that actually, Joelle, because I think you touch

728
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 4: on something that I agree would be very impactful. And

729
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 4: also you make a good point because yeah, Doomsday is

730
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 4: an event movie, but Doomsday is the Infinity War to

731
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 4: the end Game, right like hypothetically, So I feel like

732
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 4: they do need to do more of that character building.

733
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 4: They do need to give us something that's really gonna

734
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 4: hit when we then get to that big final season. Ian,

735
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 4: you've been on a crazy comic reading care You've been

736
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 4: touching on a lot of the same stuff that I

737
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 4: was texting you about. What are your theories from what

738
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 4: you've read and what you've been exploring in that space.

739
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 7: Doomsday and Secret Wars are likely going to adapt a

740
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 7: lot of elements from the Jonathan Hickman run Time Runs

741
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 7: Out and then Higman's Secret Wars, which came out twenty fifteen.

742
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 7: So Time Runs Out is all about incursions of these

743
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 7: different universes colliding, you know, leading to the death of

744
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 7: the multiverse. And the main dilemma is that there's this

745
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 7: group of heroes, you know, the Illuminati, which is like

746
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 7: Doctor Strange, iron Man, nay More, Beast and some of

747
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 7: the smartest characters in the Marvel Universe trying to figure

748
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 7: out how to stop this problem of incursions, and eventually

749
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 7: they come to the conclusion that it's kind of an

750
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 7: user them situation. They have to make, like a really

751
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 7: difficult choice. It's like a trolley problem situation where the

752
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 7: you know, do we sacrifice ourselves to save this other world?

753
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 7: Do we destroy this other world to save ourselves. So

754
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 7: I think that's gonna be kind of one of the

755
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 7: main core issues of the film is there's gonna be

756
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 7: these incursions between the different worlds X Men universe eight

757
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 7: three eight we're in Fantastic four from our eight to

758
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 7: two eight excuse means a six one six, there's gonna

759
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 7: be some convergence there. And then I think that will

760
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 7: ultimately end up The film will probably ultimately end up

761
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 7: with Doom succeeding or our heroes losing and then spurring

762
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 7: the creation of Battle World for Secret Wars, which.

763
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Speaker 4: We it feels like Secret Wars is gonna be bad

764
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 4: a war, okay, And that again I get why they

765
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 4: bought back the Russo Brothers for that, because actually, like

766
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 4: Infinity War holds up incredibly well for a movie with

767
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 4: so many fucking characters, so too lay of how and

768
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 4: make us care Ian, do you have any sense post

769
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 4: looking at that, because it does feel like time runs

770
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 4: out and then we're gonna have a sad and Jason

771
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 4: as obviously the inspiration with Secret Wars for the movie,

772
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 4: do you feel like you're seeing what you do? You

773
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 4: have any sense of what you think the Disney is

774
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 4: gonna keep or get rid of because we all know,

775
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 4: like as Jason was talking about, with this huge choice

776
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 4: to announce Secret Wars, they're basically redoing the MCU again, right,

777
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 4: and we know that at the end of the twenty

778
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 4: fifteen Secret Wars, the really fantastic comic basically Doom and

779
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 4: Marvel editorially used it to combine the Ultimate Universe and

780
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 4: the six one six universe because they wanted Myles to

781
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 4: be a main character, right, So, like, who are we

782
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 4: feeling like out of this is gonna be getting to

783
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 4: stay for the next part. I think original Avengers are gone.

784
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,959
Speaker 4: I think it's I think they're gone. I think Thor

785
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 4: could be. I think you're onto something Ian a King

786
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 4: Thor and Odin maybe he gets to be back with

787
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 4: Jane again and they're in Valhalla, but they're still kind

788
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 4: of here. But I think everyone else is gone. Do

789
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 4: you have any strong feelings about that after reading the comics?

790
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 7: Ian, Yeah, yes, I think, and Figy himself has even

791
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 7: said after Secret Wars there's probably gonna be some kind

792
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 7: of a soft reset or soft reboot to some degree.

793
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 7: I don't think they're gonna fully reboot everything, but I

794
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 7: think our main OG six Avengers are likely gonna be

795
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 7: done after this, with the exception of maybe Thor, because

796
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 7: Hemsworth has said he would play this role forever and

797
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 7: he's he seems game, so I could see maybe him

798
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 7: still being around. But yeah, I think the original six

799
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 7: are gonna be gone. I think this is finally like

800
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 7: the fifth last hurrah for the Fox X Men people,

801
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 7: So they're all gonna be gone. We're gonna get new

802
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 7: We're gonna get new X Men. For moving forward, I think,

803
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 7: to Joelle's point R d J, I don't think is

804
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 7: gonna be our forever Doom. I think he'll be Doomed

805
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 7: for Doomsday and Secret Wars. Beyond that, I think we

806
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 7: need to have a new actor in that role because

807
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 7: I don't think Doom should be a one and done villain.

808
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 7: He's too iconic, and I think he should be kind

809
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 7: of ever present in the background. Because there's gonna be hopefully,

810
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 7: I mean there's gonna be another Fantastic Four movie. I

811
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 7: would like to see them have a story focused on

812
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 7: Doom and that interaction between between them. Also some other

813
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 7: characters that I think this will be like kind of

814
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 7: a last hurrah for. I really think Toby Maguire is

815
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 7: going to be in either Doomsday or Secret Wars, and

816
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 7: I think that will also be like a big, a

817
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 7: last hurrah for him. I think we won't see him

818
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 7: anymore after this. So and I think they're going to

819
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 7: focus on a lot of the you know, second generation

820
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 7: characters like we were talking about. I think the Thunderbolts,

821
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 7: like some of those characters are going to continue to persist,

822
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 7: you know, Shuri's black panther, or maybe we'll get you know,

823
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 7: Tatala Junior as a new black panther. There's gonna be

824
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 7: a black part.

825
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 5: Bakou for a little bit. I do think you'll write.

826
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Speaker 4: Actually, I think guys, we may have somehow just from

827
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 4: these trailers come to a conclusion that I think makes sense,

828
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 4: which is this, if it works, should do what End

829
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 4: Game wasn't able to do because it had so many

830
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 4: threads to tie up, which is both end what we

831
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 4: know of the MCU and establish a new status quo

832
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 4: that actually people want. So with the X Men, that

833
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 4: could mean lots of different things because we get the

834
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 4: multiple timelines, we'll probably get those tied up. If Scott

835
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 4: has a kid, is that going to be Nathan Summers

836
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 4: or is this going to be a Rachel Summers story

837
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 4: and we're going to follow someone completely different? Are they

838
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 4: going to My answer says yes, And Jason, I would

839
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 4: love to know your thoughts about this. Are the Russo's

840
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 4: going to try and fix the time travel issues, aka

841
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 4: expand out what happened and answer those questions that people

842
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 4: have been asking for a long time?

843
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, what do you think and tell me.

844
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 7: Then well, I'll let Jason go first, and then I

845
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:41,959
Speaker 7: can lay my thoughts up.

846
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: Well, what specific time travel issues are we?

847
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 4: Okay, so in think about throughout the history of the MCU. Right,

848
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 4: so in endgame, for example, Avener Steve with the time heist,

849
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 4: there's a lot of questions about how did the time

850
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 4: travel work? What does it mean? If there's these different lines.

851
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 4: I wrote an article about it at Esquire. I think

852
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 4: and explain it. Mark Ruffo explains it one way. You know,

853
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 4: there's many different conversations because time travel is impossible to

854
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,479
Speaker 4: explain because we don't know how to do it, right

855
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 4: is are they gonna go back and try and like

856
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 4: either not necessarily fixed, but maybe say, oh, actually that

857
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 4: thing you guys noticed that did cause a time slip

858
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 4: and that did cause some issues here, Like I feel

859
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 4: like they're probably gonna use that as a space to

860
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 4: acknowledge that.

861
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 7: So the Russo's, the Russo's and then Marcus in mcpheeley

862
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 7: could never really fully agree on what the time travel

863
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 7: logic was an endgame with particularly surrounding Steve when he

864
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 7: goes back in time and he comes back as old

865
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 7: man Steve. So On one hand, they're like, did he

866
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 7: just live in the background of the MCU in the past,

867
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 7: you know, and there were two Steve Rogers.

868
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 5: In which case he let loads of terrible stuff happen.

869
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, he let nine to eleven happen. It's like, great job, captain.

870
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 7: Or did he live in an alternate branch timeline with Peggy?

871
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 7: So those are the two kind of theories, and they

872
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 7: could never on which one was was correct. But then

873
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 7: when you know, the Russo's agreed to come back and

874
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 7: do this movie, and I think mcpheeley called him up

875
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 7: one night and was like, Okay, you know, I have

876
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 7: this crazy idea for how we could make this work.

877
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 7: And I think and that's whatever, that's, whatever that idea is,

878
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 7: was what spurred them to, you know, create this movie,

879
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 7: get RDJ all this stuff. So I think whatever that

880
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 7: idea is is going to be some kind of way

881
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 7: to reconcile those their two opposing views on the time

882
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 7: travel logic. And I think Steve deciding to stay in

883
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 7: the past with Peggy or whatever he did is what

884
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 7: created an incursion, and that's what they're going to use

885
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 7: to you know, set up the story, because it's going

886
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 7: to be a direct sequel from endgame, and I think

887
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 7: that's a nice way to just directly tie it in.

888
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 7: You know, Steve deciding to go back and sit live

889
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 7: in the past with Peggy fuck something up, creates an incursion,

890
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 7: and doom is coming to collect. I think that's a

891
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 7: nice easy way to correct the ending, like you said,

892
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 7: and tie it directly into where they want to go

893
00:45:59,360 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 7: with this.

894
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: I guess my question regarding the time travel is like

895
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: how much or little is the Loki stuff gonna matter?

896
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 2: That's what I want to imp my sense, my senses

897
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: in the reading of the of Cap Sparks the incursions

898
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 2: is then you kind of quickly hustle Loki off off stage,

899
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 2: because then you're muddying the waters. I think there's there's

900
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: there's one major issue with the time travel to me,

901
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: and that is it was very clearly explained by the

902
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 2: Hulk right before the time heist. Now do they does

903
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: it follow it? Not necessarily? I think there's a there's

904
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: different ways you can interpret the Captain America thing going back.

905
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 2: You know, whether he actually did replace a stone or whatever,

906
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: did he actually create a branch or was he always

907
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: supposed to be old with a baby in this time

908
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: and it's just delayed a little bit whatever, you know,

909
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 2: whatever that is.

910
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: And then so then actually.

911
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: Our perception of it that he went back and watched

912
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: all these bad things happen, watch the Rise of Hydrid,

913
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: et cetera, is not true. Maybe that might be the case, right,

914
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 2: And so I think that, you know, what is interesting

915
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: to me isn't so much the fact that Mark and

916
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: mcpheley disagree with Russ, which they did. There's a there's

917
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: a you can go read about this on Reddit about

918
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: the way so many kind of disagreed about how it worked. It.

919
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: To me, that's less important than the fact that they

920
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: explained how it works on the screen, Like they kind

921
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: of did that, like now that's cannon. They explained it.

922
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: The issue is it gets like so fucking complicated. If

923
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 2: the Loki stuff is real, then what about Loki? Like

924
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: keeping the timelines intact.

925
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 4: With the you know, with the reins of all the times,

926
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 4: like how do you what do you do about that?

927
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, yeah, maybe that's why.

928
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 4: Also, maybe we do get the they love to kill

929
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 4: fake kill Loki.

930
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 5: They've done it multiple times.

931
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 4: Maybe we get oh I would love a kid Loki. Also,

932
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 4: maybe they could do the time Tree gets wiped out

933
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 4: at the beginning by an incursion, including that version.

934
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 5: Of Loki or something.

935
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 4: I could see some really interesting stuff and I want

936
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 4: to know. To me, the biggest hook of this movie

937
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 4: so far is the fact that mcpheeley called them. I

938
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 4: was like, I think I got a way to make

939
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 4: it work. I love that because that is how all

940
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 4: storytelling works. You can tell a story ten years later

941
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 4: and you're still thinking about the one thing you didn't

942
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 4: get about it. So to me, that is very exciting. Jason,

943
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 4: you bore up kid Loki. Do you think there is a.

944
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 5: World where with Robert Downey Jr.

945
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 4: As I as Doom, we get a different version of

946
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 4: Iron Man or somebody else in the Iron Man suit?

947
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 2: Ooh yeah, I think we do get so many different

948
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 2: But honestly, it's gonna be I think it's gonna be.

949
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 4: I don't think it's gonna be a stark. I think

950
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 4: we're gonna get I think we're gonna see our existence,

951
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 4: a stain, Iron Tree, Iron Hart characters, whether it's yeah,

952
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 4: I think we're gonna see maybe Ironheart or some other folks.

953
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 2: I don't know that we see an alt I don't

954
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 2: know if we do a young Tony, young iron Man.

955
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 5: It's always been the biggest question for them.

956
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 7: Tom Cruise, Invincible iron Man. Do they just do it?

957
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: I would be I think I would be surprised if

958
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: at the end of this the decision is reboot with

959
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 2: and do it all again, but with young Tony, Young

960
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: cap young No.

961
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: I would be very I think I would.

962
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: Be really surprised if that happens, because I think that

963
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 2: the ability to call back on things is kind of

964
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 2: why this all works. Like the fact that there are

965
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 2: various ways if you go back and rewatch the films,

966
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: that it would make sense that RDJ is playing doom

967
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: is why this works. The fact that the that we

968
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 2: can answer the question of Steve and the baby and

969
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: Steve as an old man, and does Steve with the

970
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 2: baby exist contemporaneously with old man? See that is a question.

971
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:08,959
Speaker 1: Are we gonna have.

972
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 5: Old man Rogers running around out here while Joe.

973
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 2: Steve is also running Joe Biden Steve, we did it.

974
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 5: We did it, Steve, We did it, Steve.

975
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 3: That one, that one I.

976
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 7: Think is a possibility.

977
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 5: We didn't again, that one is a possible.

978
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: Oh malarkey.

979
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 2: That that one I think is a possibility, just because

980
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 2: like old Man Rogers had such a long run in

981
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 2: the in the in the Marvel continuity. But that I

982
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 2: think I would be surprised if that happened. That said,

983
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 2: I agree with you that the time travel. I think

984
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: the multiple dimensions creates so many problems, for instance, and

985
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 2: I think that's going to be part of Doom's plan,

986
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 2: is to like limit multiverses, because I think if you

987
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 2: let it just run right, if you let if you

988
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 2: go crazy with the multiverse idea, then actually Doom can't

989
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: collect enough babies because there's infinite babies of Avengers in

990
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: infinite next generation event. He actually can't do like it's

991
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 2: it'd be crazy to try and do it that way.

992
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:15,959
Speaker 5: The only thing he.

993
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 2: Destroys it, I guess try to do it is is

994
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 2: either yeah, destroy the multiverses somehow and just like put

995
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: them into one big blob, or control all the and

996
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 2: limit the extent of multiverses so that he could possibly

997
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 2: do that.

998
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, that's.

999
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: The only thing I I And so I agree with

1000
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 2: you in the sense that I think time travel needs

1001
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 2: to be and MultiVersus needs to be rained into a

1002
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: significant degree.

1003
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 5: Ah, I'm so excited guys.

1004
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:45,959
Speaker 1: Any other theories out there.

1005
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 4: So now we've talked about this, I'm gonna say my

1006
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 4: final theory posts this conversation, because the best theory has

1007
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 4: always come out of combos with friends. I do think

1008
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 4: you're right, Jason. I don't think there's any way they're

1009
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 4: going to do Young Avengers. I like, like is in

1010
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 4: young versions of what we've already seen, and that would

1011
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 4: be too silly and derivative. But I do think that

1012
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 4: when with the death of the fox X men, I

1013
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 4: do think this will be setting up a new Young

1014
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 4: Avengers team, and the time travel might even be a

1015
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 4: part of that, like they did in the book where

1016
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 4: you end up with the team who are young again,

1017
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 4: but they're actually the same characters. I wonder if there's

1018
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 4: something that that could happen to I have.

1019
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 2: To say, I don't think other than Magneto and Professor X,

1020
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 2: who I'm assume they're gonna kill simply because they're.

1021
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 4: Eighty, Like they need to be free. Let these men

1022
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 4: be free. You cannot plan for these men anymore. You

1023
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 4: know you're eighty, yeah, eighty plus. I think I think

1024
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 4: Ian is eighty two anyway.

1025
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 2: I actually I think i'd be surprised if they killed Scott.

1026
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 3: I think Scott.

1027
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: I think at the end of this, you're gonna need

1028
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: like the elder Statesman leaders. You're gonna need that veteran

1029
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: leader of the MS earned it and has the respect

1030
00:52:59,480 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 2: of Meat.

1031
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: And I think you're gonna need Cycle.

1032
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 5: No, no, no, But this is great because guess what, so.

1033
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 7: You think sticking around?

1034
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 3: I think mar I think Marsdon sticks around. And you

1035
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 3: want Marson around because who has a squeaky er clean

1036
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 3: public record than James Marsden. There's not a lot of

1037
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 3: actors that's after the ship. They've been there.

1038
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right.

1039
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 4: I would also say that sets up probably one of

1040
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 4: my favorite, and I know it's one of Jason's favorite

1041
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 4: plot lines of any comic, which is the battle for

1042
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 4: the Xavier's where Storm returns, which could be done and

1043
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 4: she and she fights deep powered Storm fights Scott and

1044
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 4: she wins and she becomes the head teacher of the

1045
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 4: x Men. I think that could be a very interesting

1046
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 4: subplot in Secret Wars. We'll fucking lose our minds. I

1047
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 4: come on, that's so good.

1048
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: I don't think I think we we won't see that

1049
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 2: until like an X Men actual X Men movie, You're

1050
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 2: right at least years. I don't, but like that would

1051
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: be so sick. Sorry, Ian, go ahead, No.

1052
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 7: Which just James Marsden has been done so dirty in

1053
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 7: this role and he's there finally like bringing him back

1054
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 7: and doing injustice to putting him in the suit. He

1055
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 7: gets to finally be the leader of the X Men.

1056
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 7: I don't think they're gonna kill him off or like,

1057
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 7: you know, have Storm kick his ass after this one movie,

1058
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 7: Like I don't. I just don't think.

1059
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 5: That's about how long he was head teach off.

1060
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 7: Because X Men ninety seven finally like reminded people how

1061
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 7: cool Cyclops actually is, and we're finally getting the seed

1062
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 7: in live action, Like, let this man have his moment,

1063
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 7: let him cook for a movie or two, especially if

1064
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 7: they're gonna keep Marsden, which Jason, I do agree, him

1065
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 7: being kind of like the Elder Statesman, him staying as

1066
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 7: you know, in that character, but maybe rebooting some of

1067
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 7: the other characters with younger actors. I think that's kind

1068
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 7: of a nice compromise. I think that could work. But yeah, like,

1069
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 7: let Marsden have his moment. He's been waiting like fifteen

1070
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 7: years for this, Like let him cook, let him do.

1071
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 4: Let him do that move from the last season of

1072
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 4: X Men ninety seven where it was him and he

1073
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 4: stopped himself falling from the sky by blosting into the

1074
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 4: ground and making a giant crayon.

1075
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 5: That was so sick.

1076
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 2: Let's go, let's go, let's quickly go through the X

1077
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 2: Men cast in and try and figure out like who

1078
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 2: will be here and secondarily who might survive. I actually

1079
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 2: think I'm shocked at my own belief in this. I

1080
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 2: actually think that there is a world in which we've

1081
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 2: you know, we enter a fourth decade of Wolverine agreed,

1082
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: And I think that there's like, I think that there's

1083
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 2: a legitimate run for an old man logan in this

1084
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 2: doom paradigm.

1085
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's.

1086
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 5: Say him and him and X twenty three.

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00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely okay, But I think that they would bring a

1088
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: younger actor and at some point. But I think there's

1089
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 2: a world in which as a multi dimensional, older fucking

1090
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 2: guy who was remembers all the ship before the incursions.

1091
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 4: I think you he can go. Okay, he's the c theory.

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00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 4: Also think about this, he could he could also that's

1093
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 4: a great a Wolverine's prestige TV show like Made like

1094
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 4: Lanterns or something that could compete against the James Gunn

1095
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 4: of verse. I'm just saying, so I like that one

1096
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 4: a lot. Jason, maybe get some Battle World shows. Tell

1097
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 4: us more so, let's go through it. Patrick Stewart and

1098
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 4: Ian McKellen.

1099
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 2: I think, but what do we think they are?

1100
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 3: They done?

1101
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: We agree they're okay?

1102
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 5: Uh Famka Jansen, Jean Gray. I'd love to see it.

1103
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 7: I don't think she's gonna be in. I don't think

1104
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 7: she's gonna be in wis.

1105
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 3: I think we found her Jean Gray, and she's young

1106
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 3: and she's a hot new thing.

1107
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: Like I agree, so Sophie Turner, Like, let's ask Sophie

1108
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 2: Turner she think she remains?

1109
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 5: You think she's out. I think she's.

1110
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 3: Forever. Why do you invested Sophie Turner as an hour?

1111
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: Immediately, I will say, thinking like an exec, Sophie Turner,

1112
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 2: Jean Gray, Maze Williams, Wolf's beIN.

1113
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 5: I know the movie insanely good option Actually okay, wait.

1114
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 8: Wait wait wait wait, now you say that maybe maybe

1115
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 8: in battle World or in the lead up, we could

1116
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 8: get some kind of glimpse of that magic New Mutants

1117
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 8: Wolf Spain that had like failed Fox.

1118
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 5: Ear in its own little world.

1119
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, I think the funny thing is

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Speaker 4: I had obviously been a big It's Sadie Sink isn't

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00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 4: gonna be Dan Gray?

1122
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 5: Why would they introduce her in brand new day type person?

1123
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 4: But after I saw Sadie Sink on the big screen

1124
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 4: in that finale of Stranger Things, every single person who

1125
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 4: walked out was like, she's fucking dream Ray, Like she's

1126
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 4: so good, she just fucking transcends.

1127
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 5: Okay, who's next, Jason?

1128
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 4: I'd love to see Famka back, but she's doing erotic

1129
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 4: Netflix movies.

1130
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 5: I don't think she's coming back.

1131
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, Young Charles, Young Magneto, James McVoy and Fasten.

1132
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: Do we see them and do they live?

1133
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 5: I think they kiss and then die.

1134
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 3: Okay, this is not fan contentment week. Okay, we would

1135
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 3: we would all be happy to give it to us.

1136
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 2: You know what they wait, wait, hold on, hold on, Charles,

1137
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 2: wait wait they and they call it seated rivals because

1138
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 2: he's because Charles is sitting.

1139
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 5: That's so good. Okay, dude, we go Okay, sorry, go ahead, and.

1140
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 3: In time travel way, it would be great to visit

1141
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 3: Young Charles, and Magneto in a different time period. I'd

1142
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 3: love to see them pop up.

1143
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 5: Incredible costing.

1144
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 4: Let's get them back one more time, even just for

1145
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 4: a little you know, the flash esque final sequence or

1146
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 4: some ship like. I think they deserve it, incredible costing,

1147
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 4: but they're gonna die.

1148
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 2: I think if they're both in it, that one of

1149
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 2: them lives, but I'm not sure which one.

1150
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 4: I do feel like we have a higher likelihood of

1151
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 4: a Magnetos of because the time travel element will allow

1152
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 4: them to solve the Magneo World.

1153
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 5: War two issue.

1154
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 4: And I think they do have some you know, Fastbenders

1155
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 4: very beloved in that role.

1156
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 5: So was m Is McKellen. Yeah, but yeah, so was McKellen.

1157
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 4: So I think either way we could end up with

1158
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 4: an old timey I think you're right, Jason, I think

1159
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 4: Fastbender Magneo could survive.

1160
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: That's a guess for me. Storm Holly Berry, No, I

1161
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: think they're going to replace her with.

1162
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 3: A contentious I don't know if she wants to return exactly.

1163
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 3: Did he do their Black Heroes anyway?

1164
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 5: Well, and they did a terrible job.

1165
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 4: I was recently rereading about how she was a big

1166
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 4: fan of a certain producer or writer who'd worked at Marvel,

1167
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 4: because he had actually told he'd given up the job

1168
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 4: of doing X three because they'd written her a fake sequence,

1169
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 4: a fake opening that was like pretending the movie was

1170
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 4: about Storm to get her to sign on, and he

1171
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 4: left because he thought and he told her, but she'd

1172
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 4: you know, and that's why she she kind of wasn't

1173
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 4: really in the movie. So that to me, I think

1174
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 4: she still deserves to come back and have her moment,

1175
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 4: and I would love to see her because we're getting

1176
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 4: the other X men. I don't think the likelihood it

1177
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 4: is high because I think they really want to finally

1178
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 4: get a dark skinned proper Storm.

1179
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Speaker 7: Correct.

1180
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 5: So I don't know that.

1181
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: Alexandra's ship X men.

1182
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 5: No, she's not getting to She did too much trouble.

1183
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, listen, I'm just listen.

1184
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: We're just running down a questions.

1185
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 2: I love it, Rebecca Romaine, Mystique, does does she and

1186
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 2: does she live?

1187
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 3: And by cameo?

1188
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 4: Okay, do you think they're going to do the corniest

1189
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 4: possible version, which is they have her turn into Mystique

1190
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 4: and then they have Jennifer Lawrence turn so that will

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01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 4: be the cameo.

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01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,439
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's My second question.

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Speaker 7: Is, well, Jennifer Lawrence hated doing it, so I don't know,

1194
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 7: because by the end she was like barely blue because

1195
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 7: she was like, I'm not putting on that fucking makeup anymore.

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01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: She hated doing it. I think she did.

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01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 5: It would be a mina, a minor like troll performance.

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Speaker 5: I love Rebecca. I think she's committed.

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Speaker 3: She doesn't like to make up.

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01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 5: He did.

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01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 3: Rivalry did a great job gagging at it. But I

1202
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 3: do think Jennifer loves a gag. She loves to just

1203
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 3: be out here. She in her so I think if

1204
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 3: they give her a juicy enough bit where she could

1205
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 3: really be hysterical, I could see her coming through.

1206
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 5: I thought that too, if she could do a bit. Okay,

1207
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 5: who else do we have?

1208
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: Okay, Sean Ashmore Iceman.

1209
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 4: I could believe it too, not just that he is

1210
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 4: the recurring returning character throughout all the X Men movies,

1211
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 4: like he's even in Days of Future Past. He's you know,

1212
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 4: I feel like he's one of our core characters. Unders

1213
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 4: I think it could be a handoff cameo because they

1214
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 4: probably gonna do Gay Iceman, which is the current, you know,

1215
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 4: continuity of Marvel, and I think they need an actual

1216
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 4: gay character who can be gay and isn't like a

1217
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 4: gay jubble or something.

1218
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 5: So like, I think that they will get rid of him.

1219
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 4: But I think Sean Ashmore coming back maybe because also

1220
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 4: in that version, it's all.

1221
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 5: The Iceman and then it's the it's he is one

1222
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 5: of the ones who.

1223
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 4: Gets to go back, So I wonder if that could

1224
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 4: be a part of it.

1225
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 2: I my prediction is that Shawn Ashmore Iceman isn't it.

1226
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 2: And then I think that in order to pump up mutants,

1227
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 2: pump up the x Men, build hype for X Men movies,

1228
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 2: we get to see Omega level Iceman.

1229
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would love that.

1230
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: I think it's a came or not.

1231
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 2: But I think we see him like doing Iceman, doing

1232
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 2: the thing where he creates like a million Iceman club,

1233
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 2: like just go fucking freezy, entire earth, whatever it is.

1234
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 2: I think we see him go crazy. Okay, Nick the Beast,

1235
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 2: Hank McCoy.

1236
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: I love it.

1237
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 5: I thought that was fantastic.

1238
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wish it would him, but I I know,

1239
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 4: I do feel like the middle, the middle Fox Ground, though,

1240
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 4: is very beloved. That kind of Days of Future Past

1241
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 4: era was seen as a good era first class, no

1242
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 4: matter it's problems.

1243
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 5: So maybe maybe we do get a glimpse.

1244
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 4: I think Holts in his genre bag obviously might be

1245
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 4: hard with that DC thing, but those guys are getting

1246
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 4: closer to a crossover, so who knows.

1247
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 5: Maybe a little cameo. Definitely some flashbacks.

1248
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 4: I think we're going to be getting like Twilight Breaking

1249
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 4: Dawn level credit.

1250
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 5: Kelsey Grammar, he's back, Grammar beast.

1251
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: I think he dies.

1252
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 5: He dies?

1253
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 4: Yes, Yeah, Also, guys, I want to shout out quickly

1254
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 4: Aaron Ashmore, Sean Ashmore's brother who Google AI still thinks

1255
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 4: is actually Sean Ashmore and was Iceman, but no, he

1256
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 4: played Jimmy also on Smallville, and I always thought that.

1257
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 5: That was the same guy. He also played Duncan Lock

1258
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 5: and Lock and Key.

1259
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 4: He's another iconic comic book guy, and for a long time,

1260
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 4: until I was a teenager, I thought they were the

1261
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 4: same person, and then I realized they were twins. So

1262
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 4: shout out to his twin who's also a great actor,

1263
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 4: but not Iceman.

1264
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 5: That is.

1265
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 2: Which Quicksilver or both or ATJ and does either survive.

1266
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 7: Bring back at J as I think they're going to

1267
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 7: bring him back.

1268
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 4: Him and Scarlet Witch Cook, him and wander Evan Peters

1269
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 4: got to tiptoe back in.

1270
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 3: Okay, here's here's the real problem. Evan Peters did tiptoe

1271
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 3: into the universe in WandaVision, and so there's like an

1272
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 3: established link. Yeah, but not as I not as the

1273
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 3: twins act. He was just the guy next door. But

1274
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 3: people were like, oh, he'll be the twin for like

1275
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 3: an all universe round. But I do think having Aaron,

1276
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 3: Kayley and Johnson come back in, given the story of

1277
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 3: Scarlett Witch that we have and where we are in

1278
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 3: the univer is a more emotionally impactful moment, and he

1279
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 3: comes back because she's on screen. Yeah, I think it's.

1280
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 4: Sell That also also interesting if younger Magneto does survive,

1281
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 4: they could then really set up that kind of trip

1282
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 4: tick of the House of m of having the three

1283
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 4: of them together in this period when things are being

1284
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 4: reshaped by the way, which Magneio could always take advantage

1285
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 4: of in the future. So hopefully I would like to

1286
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 4: see atj come back.

1287
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: I would like to see that as well.

1288
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 2: Okay, Cody Smith McPhee night Crawler or Alan Cumming Night Crawler.

1289
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 3: We know Alan Cummings back there is one night Crawler

1290
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 3: and his name is Alan Commings.

1291
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: We know he's back, but do they and then do

1292
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,439
Speaker 1: they live? And do we also get Cody.

1293
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 3: Alan Comings is another actor who could give us a

1294
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 3: great death.

1295
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 4: Oh man, Yeah, well, I I think they're in the

1296
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 4: same space I was gonna say, is like, I actually

1297
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 4: think more of what Ian was saying about Cyclops or

1298
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 4: I think Nikral is such an iconic character and performance

1299
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 4: they might want to give him his juice. So I

1300
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 4: think he's at least gonna be in the whole movie,

1301
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 4: but he might pass away. I did like Cody Smith McFee.

1302
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 4: I thought that was a fun take.

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Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, yeah, I think I also think Alan Comings

1304
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 3: is having with the traders and everything of it all,

1305
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 3: like having a real glow up centered moment, and that's

1306
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 3: always good for press. So why not just keep him

1307
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 3: around and let him be fun, you know, and an

1308
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 3: elder statesman. I would like to see even the row.

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01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 3: I hope he doesn't die.

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Speaker 4: I would love that they already are letting him be

1311
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 4: a kind of like he's getting to be himself about

1312
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 4: it too, Like he'll be like, I don't know what's

1313
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 4: happening in the movie. They just paint him be blue

1314
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 4: and I went on set for five hours, Like they're

1315
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,479
Speaker 4: letting him be the kind of j Law, the fun

1316
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 4: one who doesn't have to take it seriously, which is

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01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 4: gonna be an inn for other people who watch The

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01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 4: Traders but don't care about the MCU. So I think

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01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 4: that's really.

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Speaker 1: Next up oscar Isaac Apocalypse.

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01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 3: No we should get that, ever.

1322
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 4: Unless they're gonna give it to him and allow him

1323
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 4: to reconcentualize the character again, I don't, unfortunately for Sweet Boy,

1324
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 4: one of the most wasted castings of all time. You

1325
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 4: know who I would bring back, though, Jason Who's that

1326
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 4: kid who played Angel in that movie? I thought he

1327
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 4: was pretty good.

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01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 1: He Yeah, he was good. He was good. Okay.

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01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 2: Daphney Keyen next twenty three. She's back, but she lives.

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01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 2: She's also she's a Wolverine. Yeah, leave Shrieber Saber.

1331
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 4: I would like, finally in appropriate. I mean, he didn't

1332
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 4: come back, take.

1333
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 3: Us to Battle World. Let us see him duke it

1334
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 3: out in a real way. I'm here for.

1335
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 5: All the boys. I'd like to see both sabertoots and

1336
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 5: Wolverine fight in Battle World. Why not?

1337
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 3: Hell yeah?

1338
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 2: Elliott Page Kate Pride. I think there's a way to

1339
01:07:58,280 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 2: do it with multi verses.

1340
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 4: That would be really cool actually, And also I think

1341
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 4: it would be cool there's a version. Why couldn't it

1342
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 4: be Kit Pride in a different universe, you know, like

1343
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 4: there's no reason.

1344
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 5: And then also I do think Kate.

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01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 4: I do think Kitty Pride is gonna be probably a

1346
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 4: major player when they recast the X Men, but maybe

1347
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 4: like phase two of the Mutant saga, So I think

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01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 4: we could still have a little Kitty Pride nod here

1349
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 4: that doesn't take away from whatever they're gonna set up,

1350
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 4: because I think they got to do the main five first.

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01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 2: I think that would be cool. I think, my I

1352
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,759
Speaker 2: just think Disney's too risk averse, but it would.

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01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 3: Be very great.

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01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 4: It's a shame too, because they did such a great

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01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 4: version of that in Umbrella Academy. It's so emotional, beautifully done,

1356
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 4: so fantastic, didn't take away at all, just added to

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01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 4: the story. So Disney maybe take a little nod there.

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01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,440
Speaker 1: Josh Brolin Cable.

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Speaker 5: I fucking hope so, because that shit harried.

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01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 7: I think maybe, yeah, maybe, I think maybe that would

1361
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,839
Speaker 7: be really funny and meta and interesting.

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01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:57,799
Speaker 4: It would be funny to see him be like dad,

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01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 4: you know, like an with that.

1364
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like that a lot stranger things.

1365
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 2: Charlie Heaton as Sam Guthrie aka Canniball from The New Mutants,

1366
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 2: I wonder how much.

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01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 3: I'd like to see so. I kind of like The

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01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 3: New Muton's vibe.

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01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: I enjoyed.

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01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 5: It's not a good movie, terrible right vibe Ready more

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Speaker 5: Marvel horror.

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01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 4: I agree the real casting from that that if they're

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01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 4: gonna bring one, I don't think she'd do it. I

1374
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 4: think she's got her Mario money, she doesn't need it.

1375
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 4: But Anya Taylor Joya's magic was unbelievable casting.

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01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 1: It was so good.

1377
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,719
Speaker 4: Never forgive them for randomly making her a racist, something

1378
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:37,759
Speaker 4: that is not a part of her story in any

1379
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 4: comic ever, but they just decided was like an interesting

1380
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 4: plot point. But that casting her with the sword. I

1381
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 4: still watch clips from her of that. Bring that bitch in.

1382
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 4: She can literally cut through dimensions. I would her in

1383
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 4: a real EMCU movie, please, And if she is in it,

1384
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 4: does she live?

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01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 1: I mean that would be a huge starget. And it's

1386
01:09:58,520 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: not like.

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01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:04,759
Speaker 2: Anya Taylor joy my sense just parasocially through the internet,

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01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 2: as she wouldn't want to do it, but I think

1389
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 2: she'd be I think it would be cool.

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01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 5: Maybe I think she would.

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01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: I think she would survive too, because she could just

1392
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: go to Limbo and.

1393
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 4: Just hie out exactly, and maybe they would say to her,

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01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 4: like I also wonder if they'd kind of be like, look,

1395
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 4: be in this fucking movie, sign a one contract deal,

1396
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 4: do it get your three hundred thousand dollars or whatever,

1397
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 4: and maybe see if you like a script that we

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01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 4: do that's more in the style of a horror type script.

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01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 3: You know.

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01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 4: I think the rollout of that was terrible for all

1401
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 4: of them, so I get it. But the MCU has

1402
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,600
Speaker 4: insane amounts of money and that is legit one of

1403
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 4: the best castings we've ever gotten.

1404
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 5: So fight for it, guys.

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01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 7: Do it?

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01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 1: Okay?

1407
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 2: Finally, what questions does Doomsday actually need to add?

1408
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 7: Like?

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01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 1: Why does it?

1410
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 3: Who is?

1411
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 5: Why is Robert Donny Dunia Doom? I think that's it.

1412
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 1: I find that everyone right.

1413
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 2: Does anybody have any theories about like what, Yes, that's

1414
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 2: the biggest one.

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01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 1: Any other ones?

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01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 4: Is the MCU still something that can make a billion dollars?

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01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 4: I think that is also, like this movie needs to

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01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 4: make a billion dollars. It needs to make two. It

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01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 4: needs to promise that brand New Day can do the same.

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01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 4: So on a business level, I think that too, Joelle. Narratively,

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01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 4: what were you thinking?

1422
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 3: I need an emotional reinvestment in this universe. I love

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01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,759
Speaker 3: Marvel like I think there's because I've been rather harshed

1424
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 3: on the last couple of movies the sentiment that I

1425
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 3: do not enjoy Marvel. That's not at all the case.

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01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 3: I would love a return to our Heyday, or or

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01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 3: even just a new way in I I the characters

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01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 3: I've I've gravitated toward most are like Aman Vlani's uh

1429
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 3: miss Marvel, Florence's character as well. I just these It's

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01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 3: It's it's these, It's the three women really, and then

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01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 3: Hailey Steinfeld as the new Hawk Eye. Those are the

1432
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 3: characters that I've like, Oh, this is really interesting. I'm invested.

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01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 3: I'm pretty excited for Wonder Man. I'm pretty excited for

1434
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 3: the Nuwanda Vision Spinas show Vision Quest, which looks really interesting.

1435
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,759
Speaker 3: So yeah, so I just I need them to center

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01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 3: me back into the world. It's supposed to be a

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01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 3: big team movie. I need to believe the team. I

1438
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 3: need to see the avengers of it all in order

1439
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 3: for it to work, or otherwise just stop and give

1440
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 3: me an X Men movie and start over there, because

1441
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 3: this is exhausting.

1442
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 4: Also, Joelle, I will say you raised one. I think

1443
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 4: another question now that I hadn't realized. How does the

1444
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 4: MCU balance the street level stuff that works that people

1445
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:36,719
Speaker 4: have connected with on the TV.

1446
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 5: They cannot deny it.

1447
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 4: The numbers are there, with the balance of going into

1448
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 4: this huge cosmic space. I wonder if this is kind

1449
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 4: of them saying a little bit goodbye to the Street team,

1450
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 4: and maybe we'll see them more in like Spider Man stuff.

1451
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 4: I don't know, I just don't I would love to

1452
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 4: see miss Marvel at taking on a huge role in this.

1453
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:57,560
Speaker 5: I fear that our young girls.

1454
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 4: May get a similar treatment to the women in End Game,

1455
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 4: where it's more of this kind of sequence. Hopefully they'll

1456
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 4: change that and do a little bit meta take, but

1457
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 4: I do worry that that is another question they have

1458
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 4: to solve because the street level stuff is important to

1459
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 4: who Marvel is. Marvel is not all gods and monsters,

1460
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 4: that's DC so, so I want to know that balance.

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01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 5: How do they come out of it?

1462
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: Ian?

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01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 5: What's your what's your biggest question coming out of the movie.

1464
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:22,839
Speaker 5: What do you think it needs to answer?

1465
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you guys kind of hit on one

1466
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 7: of my biggest ones. Why is at RDJ? What does

1467
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 7: new Mass, Same Task mean? Because that's like kind of

1468
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 7: been the only tagline that they've thrown out around this movie.

1469
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 7: What does that mean? And I think hopefully this movie

1470
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 7: answers that. And I think to the question that you

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01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 7: just posed, Rosie about the street level versus the large

1472
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 7: scale stuff, I actually think because of the success of

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01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 7: things like Daredevil and they want to keep Spider Man more,

1474
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 7: you know, street level and things, I think after Doomsday

1475
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 7: and Secret Wars, I think we're going to see a

1476
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 7: shift back towards some of those most more smaller scale stories.

1477
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 7: And I think doing these two giant crossover event films

1478
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 7: is a way for them to kind of tie up

1479
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 7: all those loose ends, put a nice ball in that,

1480
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 7: put it to the side, and then move forward with

1481
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:12,560
Speaker 7: smaller scale personal stories. If we're going into exactly exactly

1482
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 7: that's what I think is going to come.

1483
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 2: Out this film. I halfway agree with you. I do

1484
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 2: think that I think a big part of why Marvel

1485
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 2: has stumbled in this stretch has been there's been no

1486
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:29,440
Speaker 2: Avengers movies in that there's been the it's the crossover

1487
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 2: movies that are the money makers, so everyone to go.

1488
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 2: I think that there's going to be a two step approach.

1489
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 2: This is assuming that Doomsday makes a billion dollars or

1490
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 2: hits whatever target that they want to hit. I think

1491
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:46,639
Speaker 2: there's going to be a two step approach in which

1492
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 2: the solo movies are smaller, smaller budget, different approach differently

1493
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 2: from a production standpoint, and then it's the crossover movies,

1494
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 2: the Avengers versus X Men, the Avengers, Secret War, the

1495
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 2: whatevers that they throw the old school Marvel marketing budget,

1496
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 2: law school production budget at because I.

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01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 7: Think that would be great.

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01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 2: I think that if because there's two tracks, right, if

1499
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 2: Doomsday hits targets, there's no way they turn away. They

1500
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 2: know there's no way they go, Okay, we did that.

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01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:20,759
Speaker 2: Now let's go smaller.

1502
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:22,839
Speaker 5: Now let's not make money anymore.

1503
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 1: Let's just do what.

1504
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 2: They're going to be like, how do we how do

1505
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 2: we roll? How do we do this out in a

1506
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 2: sustainable way? Like how do we keep hitting these marks?

1507
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 2: And I think if it doesn't hit the number and

1508
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 2: by how and if it doesn't hit the number by

1509
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:42,839
Speaker 2: like a devastating amount, I think we get a massive reset.

1510
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 2: Like I don't know what the world looks like for

1511
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 2: Disney and Marvel going forward. I think maybe we don't

1512
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 2: see these movies for ten years. I don't know what

1513
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 2: happens after that.

1514
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1515
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 5: Interesting, I know.

1516
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 3: This four billion dollar investment, the four billion dollar investment

1517
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 3: over the past twenty years. I'm just trying to do

1518
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 3: a little bit of like mental math of like what

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Speaker 3: how long can Marvel be down now that it's an

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Speaker 3: actual independent studio, Like is there any world where they

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01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 3: switch to a TV and they're like, you know what,

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01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 3: our TV shows hit well enough. They're in a financial

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01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 3: space that we know we can manage year to year.

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01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 3: Let's lay in the same way that Disney did sort

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01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 3: of allow Lucas to do. Lucas was like, Yo, for

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01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 3: whatever reason, our movies are not hitting. We need to

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01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 3: stop down, figure out what this looks like, and come

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01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 3: back and attack later. It's what I had hoped would

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01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 3: happen after endgame, that they would take a pause, go

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01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 3: back to street level, build us back up. I think

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01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 3: it's the right move. I just worry, like or wonder

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01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 3: as an independent entity if they can financially afford not

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01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 3: to be releasing movies.

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Speaker 4: I think the truth is that because it's owned by Disney,

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01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 4: and Disney just has so much money. Like I just

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01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 4: don't think they see Marvel as a they don't see

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01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:58,639
Speaker 4: them as a separate studio. I do think that you

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01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 4: are onto something where I do think and I have

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01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 4: considered this with the rollout of the TV shows.

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01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 5: I do think that if the movies do not hit,

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01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 5: the MCUTV shows essentially become the CWTV shows of the

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01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 5: next generation, where in ten years Disney's just making them

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01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,719
Speaker 5: like every month and people are watching them and watching

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01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 5: them and watching them and watching them. But if the

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01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,679
Speaker 5: movies don't hit, maybe they do transition to something cheaper

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01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 5: and easier to sustainably make. I'm really interested to see

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01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 5: where that goes because I think you taught I think

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01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 5: you bring up something both of you, Jason angelel really

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01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 5: interesting about this has to be the final Like, if

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01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 5: this one doesn't hit, we do something different. They can't

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01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 5: do it again. Off the Fantastic four.

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01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 2: I think if the I think if it doesn't hit, well,

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01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 2: I think I think if it does hit. I think

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01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,799
Speaker 2: there's a world in which the TV shows go away agree.

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01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 2: TV shows are more likely to go away if the

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01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 2: movies hit agree, because then they're just like, fuck that

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01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 2: that was like that was an experiment that didn't work,

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01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 2: and they can just make you understand what the kind

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01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,600
Speaker 2: of formula is now in this new paradigm in the

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01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 2: movie space. So let's just do that and cut our

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01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 2: losses on TV. I think that that's a possibility. And

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01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:15,719
Speaker 2: I also think you're right in that if it doesn't work,

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01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,719
Speaker 2: there'll be some sort of reset in which the thinking

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01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 2: will be, let's figure out what the balance is with TV,

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01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 2: and let's just keep this because you've got to keep

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01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 2: the property alive somehow. What's the balance economically where we

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01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 2: just keep people aware that we have this and this

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01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 2: is out there, and let's just lower budgets on everything.

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01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 2: But I do think I think it potentially TV could

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01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 2: go away.

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01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 5: I think so too.

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01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 4: And I'm going to tell you something else crazy that

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01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 4: we have to think about with this, guys. If this

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01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 4: Netflix Warner Brothers deal goes through and on and Netflix

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01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 4: owns DC, they have quite expressly said they have no

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01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 4: interest in publishing, So it's going to be interesting to

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01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 4: see if they then try and license. I do not

1578
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 4: believe in any world that they would sell the DC characters.

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01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,520
Speaker 4: Batman is too much of Superman. You can make billions

1580
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 4: just off those licensing rights, right, But but do I

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01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,799
Speaker 4: think that there is a world where they may license

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01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 4: those rights to Disney for.

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01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 5: Many, many, many many billions of dollars. Yes, I think

1584
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 5: it almost happened.

1585
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 4: That it almost happened, and it almost is our big

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01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 4: I think that's our big kind of weird like overhanging

1587
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 4: industry thing is like all of this theorizing. It could

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01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 4: be Yeah, it could be terrible, It could not mean

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01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 4: anything when this happens.

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01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 5: But for now, I mean, what a way to start

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01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 5: the new year.

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01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 3: Guys.

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01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 5: I'm so fucking stoked to keep talking about this stuff.

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01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 4: With you guys, Like this is the fun, This is

1595
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:42,719
Speaker 4: the ship that gets us going.

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01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 5: Wait, Jason, go.

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01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 2: One more, one more last thing and we'll leave you this.

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Speaker 2: We forgot to say about this guy Doom.

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01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:49,719
Speaker 3: Does he live?

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Speaker 1: Do we see RDJ after this?

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01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 5: I think Ardie Day Doom is dead.

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01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 3: Guys. Yeah, they gave him a ton of money, but

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01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:00,799
Speaker 3: was it for one movie? Two movies?

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01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 5: Oh?

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01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 3: Shit, they're gonna ge, They're gonna eat it for two movies.

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01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 3: The money was so much it can't do. I think

1607
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 3: two movies, that's not logical. It's gotta be at least two.

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01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:11,599
Speaker 7: I think he's in Doomsday and Secret Wars they recast

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01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 7: after that.

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01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, in Secret Wars, we could even

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01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 4: reveal real doom.

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01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 5: That's the thing too.

1613
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 4: Is like you could have that conflict be part of

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01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 4: Secret Wars of like the Two Dooms.

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01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 5: But yeah, Robert Downey Jr. I'm very interested.

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01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 4: Also, Ian, I hadn't actually heard that new mask same

1617
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 4: task thing, like said out loud.

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01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 5: I'd seen him post it.

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01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 4: But now I think Jason's theory and Joelle's theories of

1620
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 4: like him essentially seeing himself as a savior and wanting

1621
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 4: to ask clearly what they're going with. He's definitely in

1622
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 4: that mindset, which is the best doom stories, and I'm

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01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 4: excited to really see.

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01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 5: Where that goes. But yeah, I think it's one hundred

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01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 5: mill and he's gone.

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01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,799
Speaker 4: He can go and live in his you know, fucking

1627
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 4: where does he live, like in a fucking windmill with

1628
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 4: his wife or something like make doctor Dolittle too.

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01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 1: It up did you see who?

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01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 2: I forget who it was that was saying that, like

1631
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 2: he had his own part of the set that was

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01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 2: kind or whatever. And butmilear And by the way, let

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01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 2: me just say he deserves it.

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01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 7: He's fucking good for Downland.

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01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 5: Let him have it.

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01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 1: Good for him.

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01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:20,600
Speaker 4: I will say, guys, it does not necessarily While I

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01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 4: agree with Jason because at this point, if you have

1639
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 4: to bring it back to revive the franchise, let him

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01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 4: have his little land, I will say, yes, the precedent

1641
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 4: for this is not good because the only real president

1642
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 4: we have is what Marlon Brando did while.

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01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 5: They were fucking making Heart of Darkness.

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01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 4: You know, so like that doesn't bode well to me,

1645
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:40,799
Speaker 4: But I love the drama.

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01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 5: Like, let's get the drama.

1647
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 6: Semih lear.

1648
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 1: Tell me more.

1649
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 5: What are they feeding you at downey Land? Who's the

1650
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 5: private chef?

1651
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 3: Like?

1652
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 5: Is it Wolfgang Puck?

1653
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 7: You brought in your own catering? Like, no, we don't

1654
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:50,679
Speaker 7: do that here.

1655
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, crafty bitch.

1656
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 3: Who's not allowed in downey Land? Is I need all

1657
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 3: of the gossip? Please do? This is where he should be.

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01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 4: I want to read that book, Jason, I could, that'll

1659
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,480
Speaker 4: be your non fiction debut in ten years Jason Downeyland

1660
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 4: all right by Jason, And it also makes me think

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01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 4: I'll leave us.

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01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 2: I'll leave us with this thought. There's gonna be a

1663
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 2: moment in this movie where Doom takes off the mask

1664
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 2: and Steve four and the rest are.

1665
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:19,799
Speaker 5: Like, oh yeah, yeah and happy.

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01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:21,440
Speaker 7: You don't cast him without.

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01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 1: Driving for a second.

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01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:25,760
Speaker 2: You don't cast him without doing that, Okay. On the

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01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:27,680
Speaker 2: next episode of Extra Vision, we're diving in all the

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01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 2: media we missed over the holidays, So excited to talk

1671
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 2: about that included heated rivals and more. Joel an Ian,

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01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 2: thank you for joining us. That's it for this episode.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 3: Bye bye bye.

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Speaker 2: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and Rosie

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