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Speaker 2: we are breaking down Season one, episode twenty one, Love
Speaker 2: Daisy's and Troubadours.
Speaker 1: Eddie, Welcome, how are you? I'm great man, good to
Speaker 1: be here, Suzanne.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello, our newly anointed superstar with all the
Speaker 2: charisma for Riz as the kid said the todays, Eddie Shin,
Speaker 2: as you know, is Henri Cho on Gilmore Girls. He
Speaker 2: was first appearance season one, episode seventeen, The Breakup, Part two,
Speaker 2: where he meets Lane at a party and sparks do
Speaker 2: fly unexpectedly because he is the perfect person that Lane's
Speaker 2: mom would approve of and therefore he is unsuitable to Lane.
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Bud. This is the season one
Speaker 2: and finale. Have you watched Gilmore Girls before?
Speaker 1: This is your first episode? Ddie? No, I remember last
Speaker 1: you when I when I got cast. So Gilmore Girls
Speaker 1: was my first TV job ever, right Like I was
Speaker 1: actually in Vegas when I got the call to you know,
Speaker 1: from my agent twit and hadn't even met yet, being like, hey,
Speaker 1: there's a show Gilmore girls, you have an audition. You've
Speaker 1: got to be in La by Monday. It was like
Speaker 1: a Saturday night or something like that. So I remember
Speaker 1: after I got cast, I had watched that episode, and
Speaker 1: then of course I rewatched the episode that you just mentioned. Episode. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: here we go.
Speaker 2: Air date May tenth, two thousand and one, twenty almost
Speaker 2: twenty four years ago. Here's their synopsis. Lower a line, Max,
Speaker 2: we kindled the romance, and boy do that they ever?
Speaker 2: As Luke and Rachel fade, Rory clashes with Tristan, which
Speaker 2: is pretty easy to do. Who misleads Paris and Friends,
Speaker 2: and finally speaks to Dean post breakup. Directed by the
Speaker 2: one and only Amy Sherman Palladino, written by the one
Speaker 2: and only Daniel palladin all right, let's get into this, guys,
Speaker 2: Rory and Dean's breakup and reunion.
Speaker 1: Rory and Dean have been through a rough patch.
Speaker 2: Since, they say, since she didn't say I love you
Speaker 2: back when when Dean you know, said his I love
Speaker 2: you and it was hanging out there like a big
Speaker 2: moss of ball. Rory's curiosity leads her to look for
Speaker 2: Dean around Star Sola.
Speaker 1: What you guys think of this? I liked it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was cute. The whole thing with
Speaker 3: the younger sister. I thought was a little weird that
Speaker 3: they had dated for three months but Clara didn't recognize
Speaker 3: Rory and Rory did no Claire's name. I thought that
Speaker 3: was a little odd, But in general I thought it
Speaker 3: was cute how she was starting to realize she still
Speaker 3: had feelings for Dean and was running around town looking
Speaker 3: for him.
Speaker 1: And they needed a little sister to like draw up
Speaker 1: the drama of like, wait, what do you mean my
Speaker 1: picture is still in his room or whatever? You know,
Speaker 1: sort of draws you in to be like, wait o,
Speaker 1: there's a little feelings or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah she was. She got a little overbearing.
Speaker 2: Laurie got a little overbearing there, didn't she trying to
Speaker 2: force the issue go in the room and get the pictures.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little stocker is Yeah it was.
Speaker 2: It was a little much, but I'm out a little
Speaker 2: out of character for her, But I guess she feels
Speaker 2: like she screws up and then she speaks. Roy does
Speaker 2: at the town meeting in favor of the town Jupiter,
Speaker 2: but her speech takes on a deeper meaning with hidden
Speaker 2: messages regarding the way she feels about Deane.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a very clever device.
Speaker 2: And I enjoy those scenes because you get to see
Speaker 2: Dean react, you know, and it keeps us in the story.
Speaker 2: So later Dean surprises Rory at Chilton, only to see
Speaker 2: Rory in Tristan together. Good god, what a scene. What
Speaker 2: a satisfying scene. I mean, if you're ever gonna you know,
Speaker 2: wallop the creepy Tristan, right, that's the way to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's this is just no coming back.
Speaker 1: Ro What did you guys think of that? Well? It
Speaker 1: was especially good in light of the other sort of
Speaker 1: love stories that had sort of come to a head,
Speaker 1: come to ahead by this episode, which was you know,
Speaker 1: obviously you're you're you know, I should say, Luke's story
Speaker 1: with Rachel, and then you know Laura Lai, you know,
Speaker 1: with with her whole sort of like you know, the proposal,
Speaker 1: So everything sort of crescendoed and you're just kind of like,
Speaker 1: well this is crazy, you know. So it was very satisfying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, to sort of recap all this. Rory
Speaker 2: finally says I love you back, but she doesn't say
Speaker 2: I love you. She says, I love you you idiot,
Speaker 2: don't you idiot? I loved Is that what she said? Yes,
Speaker 2: it was just such a terrific It was such a
Speaker 2: terrific film moment.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And boy uh you know the director that where they
Speaker 2: put the camera and how they focused on Tristan a
Speaker 2: little bit into that moment where we could see his
Speaker 2: entire world just crumble before our eyes and he just
Speaker 2: put the books down.
Speaker 1: It just put her books down and wandered off in
Speaker 1: his sadness.
Speaker 2: Yes, and Rory and Dean have this passionate kiss right
Speaker 2: in front of the entire Chiltern student body. Let me
Speaker 2: ask you this, Henri and you two Susan, have either
Speaker 2: of you gone out of your way accidentally to run
Speaker 2: into someone you had feelings for?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, especially at that age, like in school, Not
Speaker 1: not that it was you know, particularly hard to do.
Speaker 1: You know, you just go go go to like Barnes
Speaker 1: and Nobles to study, you know, because you know someone
Speaker 1: else is studying there, and you know you bring your
Speaker 1: group of friends that they bring their you know, group
Speaker 1: of friends and you also hang out but all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we used to do basically what Rory did because
Speaker 3: our you know, my group of friends and I our
Speaker 3: crushes all worked at places that we would go into normally.
Speaker 3: So we would just accidentally go to the yolkre shop
Speaker 3: when someone was working, like it was exactly the same
Speaker 3: thing as Rory going into Dosie's Market. But yeah, we
Speaker 3: totally did that at that age. We drive by their
Speaker 3: house and all that. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we've all done that at one time
Speaker 2: or another.
Speaker 1: It's usually high school. Yeah, you don't know, you don't
Speaker 1: know how else to go about it. But the semi
Speaker 1: you know, stocker is shit right exactly.
Speaker 3: We don't do that anymore though, No, No.
Speaker 2: I stopped doing that last week Tuesday. Let's talk about
Speaker 2: this storyline. Max proposes to Laura. I wow, this was
Speaker 2: packed with Max Laurel I cage match, what what a
Speaker 2: and a really great scene. You know, I think the
Speaker 2: Luke Max uh uh how should we call this?
Speaker 1: Uh? They had some kind of a I.
Speaker 3: Think we can call it jealousy.
Speaker 1: It was a measuring contest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good way way to put it.
Speaker 2: And and if that wasn't great enough, the scene that
Speaker 2: followed between Max and Laurel I was just great.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was my favorite Max Laurel I scene.
Speaker 1: You mean, the one where she shows up at the hotel.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no, in the living room, because it
Speaker 2: spills into the living room because Max says, you know,
Speaker 2: what's going on there? I sense something's going on, like
Speaker 2: what is he doing?
Speaker 1: Like right after you leave?
Speaker 2: He seems to be everywhere, you know, like I'm sensing something.
Speaker 2: So they're in the living room, they're going at it,
Speaker 2: and then they decided to start over it. That absolutely
Speaker 2: is my favorite because it.
Speaker 1: Because it.
Speaker 2: Shows her feelings, it shows everybody's feelings, and it shows
Speaker 2: his insecurity. It shows Luke's insecurity in another way, and
Speaker 2: it shows Laureli's confusion right and her unconscious attraction to
Speaker 2: Luke perhaps who knows right. Very interesting dynamic there, interesting
Speaker 2: how they how they write it. And one of the
Speaker 2: more satisfying scenes in the entire series is that scene overall,
Speaker 2: but especially the one in the living room between Max
Speaker 2: and Laurel I.
Speaker 1: Well, frustrating too, frustrating scene too, because we spend so
Speaker 1: much time with Luke and you know, obviously he goes
Speaker 1: through his whole break, you know, Rachel takes off and
Speaker 1: so you know, secretly, as fans, like you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: Max is a good guy. He's playing you know, he's
Speaker 1: staying the right things. Obviously by the end of the
Speaker 1: scene he's sort of doing the right things, I guess.
Speaker 1: But as a fan you're like, well, that's getting in
Speaker 1: the way of what we want for Lorelai, which is Luke.
Speaker 1: You know. So it's like this, It's like, why am
Speaker 1: I hating on a guy that's just like a great
Speaker 1: a great dude. So it almost gives you internal conflict
Speaker 1: in the same way maybe that Laura.
Speaker 2: Lies right right, and Luke is so much more cautious
Speaker 2: than Max. Max really just lays it out there, doesn't he.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's not shy. He's like, this is how
Speaker 2: I feel, Boom, what's going on?
Speaker 1: I love you? Will you marry me?
Speaker 2: And who's this guy? And I don't like how that
Speaker 2: makes me? So it seems like Max is more in
Speaker 2: touch with his feelings. He's not a shame to lay
Speaker 2: it down the line with her because the statics are
Speaker 2: so high for him. He just but I think are
Speaker 2: you getting the sense that Max is blowing it because
Speaker 2: he's pushing too hard?
Speaker 3: I that is, That's kind of where I went with it.
Speaker 3: And I feel like the more I watched the show,
Speaker 3: maybe the less I like Max. He's very he was
Speaker 3: very possessive.
Speaker 1: I felt like, uh, right away, coming from.
Speaker 3: The last episode where he was getting on Laura Live
Speaker 3: for not telling all her friends that they had started
Speaker 3: speaking again and he wasn't happy about that, And now
Speaker 3: this episode he varied that scene in the foyer with Luke.
Speaker 3: He was totally trying to mark his territory. And I
Speaker 3: was kind of glad that Laura called him out on
Speaker 3: the proposal because I didn't feel like he was proposing
Speaker 3: because he really wanted to get married. It almost felt
Speaker 3: like he was proposing to show that she's his.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I can almost get what Max is trying
Speaker 1: to do up until that point, Like I mean, if
Speaker 1: that's your girl and some dudes like pushing up against her, yeah,
Speaker 1: you got to say something. And even if it's a
Speaker 1: little inappropriate or jealous, you understand where that comes from.
Speaker 1: But once the proposal hit, I was like, that is
Speaker 1: such a misstep, Like, where's that coming from? I totally agree.
Speaker 1: I totally agree.
Speaker 2: That is the worst time to do that. When you're
Speaker 2: in the middle of a fight. That's just that's just
Speaker 2: absolute desperation that you're going to lose her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just so.
Speaker 2: It really does show a very deep insecurity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think he does love her, I think,
Speaker 3: but I think he was just the proposal was more
Speaker 3: out of panic than anything else.
Speaker 2: But Suzanne, love is letting something go, and if it's
Speaker 2: really love, it comes back. You know that here, all right,
Speaker 2: Sophocles will shut up here.
Speaker 3: When we get to the inn. The daisies I thought
Speaker 3: were an adorable touch, But he wasn't there. He was
Speaker 3: on the phone, which that kind of bugged me too.
Speaker 1: Like he should have been there.
Speaker 2: Like he may be just in his underwear, covered in
Speaker 2: roast in days thousand das with a note on top
Speaker 2: and say, you know, find me or something.
Speaker 1: That wouldn't have been desperate at all. I never even
Speaker 1: thought about that because I was just so caught up
Speaker 1: visually in the moment. I was like, oh, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a really cool scene. That's a great gesture. But
Speaker 1: you're right, and he's just like, okay, cool, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you that she called.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was it was beautifully said.
Speaker 1: It was a beautiful that's right, that's what it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just it was just over the top.
Speaker 3: And that was way more than a thousand daisies.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it looked like like ten thousand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but her reaction was was just really precious, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: And it was mixed with it still the confusion and
Speaker 2: the indecision. It wasn't like, this is it, He's got me,
Speaker 2: there's this doubt.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, guys.
Speaker 3: Even when she was talking to Luke at the end,
Speaker 3: she's like, well I think I'm happy maybe, like just yeah,
Speaker 3: she was flattered by the gesture, but still wasn't sure
Speaker 3: about the deeper the deeper sentiment.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's that confusion like this is everything I want,
Speaker 2: but it's.
Speaker 1: The wrong guy, you know, kind of subtextually, and.
Speaker 2: She does that so well, right, Yeah, you can feel that,
Speaker 2: you can read it on her face a little bit
Speaker 2: and without being obvious about it.
Speaker 1: That thing's hard. It's hard, right, Eddie. It's so hard.
Speaker 1: So fun, Scott, but so fun.
Speaker 2: It's fun, but it's really hard to nail those moments.
Speaker 2: I mean, you really just have to prep and oh
Speaker 2: my all right, lor Ling, Okay, so yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: I mean I think that storyline we can put that
Speaker 2: to bed as it were, no pun intention.
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's get into.
Speaker 2: A little bit Luke and Rachel breakup stuff.
Speaker 1: Uh what do you.
Speaker 2: Think I felt overall it was a little bit incomplete.
Speaker 1: I wanted more.
Speaker 2: I wanted to see more, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: one more scene of not just the sort of finale
Speaker 2: where she's packed and she's gone and it's like, hey.
Speaker 1: Did you want something to like tie up the loose
Speaker 1: ends more or what? Yeah, I did, just to have
Speaker 1: at least a conversation. You know. I think it's because.
Speaker 2: I don't know that the fans are so invested at
Speaker 2: that point in Rachel and Luke, and they're a little
Speaker 2: more invested in Max and Laurele I because they really
Speaker 2: developed Max. I mean Max has been, you know, a
Speaker 2: serious contender. And did you guys ever take Rachel seriously
Speaker 2: as a contender for his heart?
Speaker 1: I mean, I.
Speaker 2: You do in a way where you think he's going
Speaker 2: it's a wayward path and you want to get him
Speaker 2: off that path, you know, fan wise, like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: he's for laurel I he loves laurel I don't do that, Rachel,
Speaker 2: we hate you.
Speaker 1: Go away?
Speaker 2: So they didn't, you know, so they wrote it that way,
Speaker 2: so he went away. But with Max and laurel I
Speaker 2: do you think the fans felt that way too, Like
Speaker 2: Max go away? This is the wrong path, because it
Speaker 2: felt right a lot of the time, right between Max
Speaker 2: and Laurelai until he started getting you know, uber possessive.
Speaker 1: Anyway, that's my thought.
Speaker 3: I tend to agree with that. I think they didn't
Speaker 3: fully develop Rachel to the extent that they did with Max,
Speaker 3: because Max was also a figure in Rory's life, you know,
Speaker 3: as her teacher, so he was kind of always around,
Speaker 3: and Rachel was more like just a plot device to
Speaker 3: put some tension or some space between Luke and LORELEI.
Speaker 3: Having said that, I actually liked Rachel and Luke. I
Speaker 3: liked that storyline. They weren't endgame, but I liked that
Speaker 3: kind of tension between the three of them, and I
Speaker 3: agree that there could have been more there. They could have.
Speaker 3: I mean, I get that they were at the end
Speaker 3: of the season, and so they kind of wanted to
Speaker 3: just tie that off and not have to carry it
Speaker 3: into the next season, but I would have liked to
Speaker 3: see another couple episodes of that storyline to see how
Speaker 3: it all played out. I liked Rachel as a character.
Speaker 1: I did too. But at the same time, though, since
Speaker 1: we spent so much more like this proportionate amount of
Speaker 1: time with Luke just his reaction to like always being
Speaker 1: at laurel Ies fixing stuff up, you're like, what else
Speaker 1: really needs to be said? Like if his heart is
Speaker 1: not even in that space and he's physically not even there,
Speaker 1: Like what more do we really need to see from
Speaker 1: a conversation or what could she say to make him
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, to win us over? Whereas
Speaker 1: for Laurel I, it's almost the opposite, where we're almost
Speaker 1: kind of like we're almost like pulling our hair out
Speaker 1: because we're like, the gestures are so grand, but you're
Speaker 1: almost hoping that she doesn't get swept away by the
Speaker 1: gesture and to listen to like what's underneath that, because
Speaker 1: they're so over the top that you're like, who wouldn't
Speaker 1: fall in love with that? But then you have to
Speaker 1: like take a breath and be like, well, what's going
Speaker 1: on inside? And so you're like, please pay attention to
Speaker 1: that too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's true.
Speaker 2: I also liked that Laurel I became really unhinged and
Speaker 2: kind of yelled at Luke for being there so early
Speaker 2: and driving her crazy, and that they have the comfort
Speaker 2: with each other where she can do that and he
Speaker 2: doesn't take it personally, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's almost like they are already I.
Speaker 2: Mean they're behaving somewhat in a way where they're already
Speaker 2: a married couple and settled in their relationship, but without
Speaker 2: you know, you know, consummating it or being together in
Speaker 2: a real sense in reality.
Speaker 1: And the flip side is true too, because Luke tends
Speaker 1: to be so rough around the edges and so not
Speaker 1: willing to open up to anybody that the fact that
Speaker 1: he does even show, like you know, a modicum of
Speaker 1: emotion and openness with Laura l or like see, she's
Speaker 1: the one who can like draw you out and like
Speaker 1: you can be open with her. That that that goes
Speaker 1: a long way, Whereas I feel like Max can be
Speaker 1: open with anybody. He's just so well spoken and smooth
Speaker 1: in that way that that makes us love Luke that
Speaker 1: much more. You know, I should say, Luke and Laura
Speaker 1: Lai that much more right, right? Right?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Rachel all packed up and he walks
Speaker 2: into the diner and it's see Saya and Aura. Yeah,
Speaker 2: uh relief. Did we feel relief? Where we like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was going to happen, And I'm glad they didn't
Speaker 2: make up such a meal out of it. You know,
Speaker 2: what do you think?
Speaker 3: I think it wasn't unexpected. I mean, I don't think
Speaker 3: that anybody watching it for the first time would think
Speaker 3: that they're that relationship was going to continue. I mean
Speaker 3: we kind of we kind of knew it wasn't going
Speaker 3: to last, right all right.
Speaker 1: I felt bad. I still felt bad for her.
Speaker 3: M hmm.
Speaker 1: So sweet, and she obviously, like anyway, just thinks that
Speaker 1: it Sometimes it just turns out that way. It's one
Speaker 1: of those things. So here's a question for both of you.
Speaker 2: What is it about Luke and Laurel I that makes
Speaker 2: them such a great match even though they aren't together yet?
Speaker 1: Why Why does it work so well?
Speaker 3: I think it's it's what you just touched on, that
Speaker 3: they're just so comfortable with each other, Like they're clearly
Speaker 3: good friends, and you know, they they can they they
Speaker 3: bicker and they banter, but it's all good at the end,
Speaker 3: Like they always if they argue, they always make up.
Speaker 3: Like it's just there's just a basis there that's of
Speaker 3: friendship before the physical attraction. So I think it's just
Speaker 3: that they know each other well and they're good.
Speaker 1: Friends, do you think, Eddie, Yeah, it's kind of like
Speaker 1: that thing else, you know, I have. I have like
Speaker 1: certain people in my life where you know, they could
Speaker 1: be a little gruff, a little rough around the edges,
Speaker 1: but they're like the meanest, nicest people I know, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I kind of feel of
Speaker 1: like that's kind of like Luke to Laurelize that like
Speaker 1: he does little things that you're like, if you didn't
Speaker 1: know any better, you just be like, yeah, he's just
Speaker 1: getting a coffee or whatever it is. But there's like
Speaker 1: little things that you're like, oh, and you know, and
Speaker 1: obviously a big part of it is just like chemistry,
Speaker 1: right like between between you and Lauren, there's obviously something
Speaker 1: that we see that's sort of like an alchemy that
Speaker 1: we're like something works, you know, and it's almost unspoken,
Speaker 1: and so the mixture of all that stuff, I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's they're so unabashedly themselves and they feel that
Speaker 2: they can be themselves around each other. Yeah, so there's
Speaker 2: that comfort level right where he doesn't change who he
Speaker 2: is in her presence, and she doesn't change. She becomes
Speaker 2: more of who she is in his presence, and I
Speaker 2: think it's the same with him. So like any type
Speaker 2: of social mask that they would wear, ever, however thin
Speaker 2: it might be, comes off when they are together, and
Speaker 2: so there's that comfort level, I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very very.
Speaker 2: Interesting dynamic between those two.
Speaker 1: All.
Speaker 2: Let's get into Paris's resentment towards Rory and Tristan. Laugh
Speaker 2: out loud stuff, the Eliza Wheel reactions, the anger, the force,
Speaker 2: the potential violence is just too funny for words, all
Speaker 2: wrapped up in one sort of shortish.
Speaker 1: Teenage girl in a private school.
Speaker 2: So Tristan stretching the truth by telling Madeline, Louise and
Speaker 2: Paris that he's taking Rory to peach the PJ.
Speaker 3: Harvey concert, He's not even stretching the truth.
Speaker 1: He's lying right, right.
Speaker 2: Right, right, not even aware that PJ.
Speaker 1: Harvey is a woman. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And then later a little later on, Paris with her
Speaker 2: passive aggressive resentment towards Rory for setting up Tristan in
Speaker 2: Paris in the first place, right, Do you think Rory
Speaker 2: should have done more to smooth over things with.
Speaker 1: Paris, because I think she did a lot.
Speaker 3: Actually, I don't know that she could have done more.
Speaker 3: I mean, Paris was set in her belief as to
Speaker 3: what happened and she wasn't having anything that Rory had
Speaker 3: to say, So I don't know that Rory could have
Speaker 3: done anymore.
Speaker 2: I thought I thought Rory defended herself very well in
Speaker 2: a situation where, you know, Paris flipped the power dynamic
Speaker 2: and I'm editor and you're gonna get parking a lot
Speaker 2: of assignments, and now Rory's like, oh geez, now I've
Speaker 2: got to kiss the ring a little bit and you know,
Speaker 2: and make up make it up here.
Speaker 1: And I thought she quit herself very well. M hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 2: She Paris wasn't having it, wasn't having it, so find
Speaker 2: herself in a pickle there, Rory again.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I felt bad for Rory because Tristan was a
Speaker 3: complete jerk in this episode, spreading lies about her and
Speaker 3: getting her in trouble with Paris, and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: Rory was just the innocent victim. She didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 3: I felt bad for her.
Speaker 1: I forget. Did Rory ever say straight up that, like
Speaker 1: Tristan's just lying, I'm not going with him. Yes, she
Speaker 1: did say that, right yeah, and then and it still
Speaker 1: sort of fell on deaf ears right, yes, okay.
Speaker 2: She was an av Yeah, yeah, there was that fog
Speaker 2: of rage over her brain, just like she was just
Speaker 2: on the war path. But again, hysterical stuff. The slamming
Speaker 2: of the locker just great.
Speaker 1: Waiting for a tram or something like that.
Speaker 2: Oh and then they're all like positioned on the stairs
Speaker 2: like in some choreographed and then they turn and walk away.
Speaker 2: Ye did they steal that from something that It looked
Speaker 2: like they Still it looked.
Speaker 3: Like they did, but I don't know, huh. I probably
Speaker 3: shouldn't know.
Speaker 2: But it was that mean girls or something, and I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: It definitely did look like it was an.
Speaker 1: Omock thing, all right.
Speaker 2: The Troubadour Wars, which I found just fall off the
Speaker 2: couch funny. Any Grantly Phillips that you get in the episodes,
Speaker 2: they're just a joy. And he really got some nice
Speaker 2: coverage in this episode, right. He had had some lines,
Speaker 2: he had a couple of scenes, just a great storyline
Speaker 2: for for Grant and and David, the stars hollow Town Troubadour.
Speaker 1: Getting some unexpected competition across the street. So good, so good,
Speaker 1: so Grant.
Speaker 2: You know, Grant's only been the town Troubadour for six
Speaker 2: months and he presents his concerns the town town hall meeting.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought.
Speaker 2: Michael Winters was on fire in this in this episode.
Speaker 2: It was just this was my favorite town hall meeting,
Speaker 2: I think it was. This was really like tops for
Speaker 2: me so far, but really just great funny stuff and everybody,
Speaker 2: you know, they decide on it and vote and that's it.
Speaker 1: Too bad, Too bad, David, you're done, You're out.
Speaker 2: You can't do that to the Town Troubadour. We value
Speaker 2: this guy so much. And that's the same town all
Speaker 2: meeting where Rory makes her little speech, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Why do you guys think this was even in the episode.
Speaker 1: There's got to be a reason.
Speaker 3: There always has to be some weird town quirkiness going on.
Speaker 1: Well, it also, as you mentioned, sets up Rory's big
Speaker 1: speech yeah right, which is directly relates to what the
Speaker 1: Troubadour is going through. As you know, obviously the audience
Speaker 1: knows better, but the people in the town hall think
Speaker 1: it's just about the troubadour.
Speaker 2: Right, but what a brilliant way to do it.
Speaker 1: Right, so good, so charming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a brilliant, right charming way to do this,
Speaker 2: and so entertaining and so much fun to watch.
Speaker 3: And it ties back to you know, there's there's like
Speaker 3: a territory war going on between Luke and Max, and
Speaker 3: now there's this literal territory war going on between these
Speaker 3: two troubadours fighting over this town.
Speaker 1: Right and then Dean interested in and interested.
Speaker 2: In Paris and yeah, right, yeah, all fighting for turf.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I loved the way the troubadour thing wrapped up though,
Speaker 3: like with the two of them performing, because.
Speaker 1: That's what music's all about. Man, it was so good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So now we have this closing scene we see special
Speaker 2: moment at the end where and I thought this was
Speaker 2: really the great ending of all endings of any episode
Speaker 2: to see these two running at each other, mother and
Speaker 2: daughter running at each other because their lives are starting
Speaker 2: to really blossom and they're in love again and they
Speaker 2: all and they just run at each other and jump
Speaker 2: up and down like they're like, you know, Lorealize the
Speaker 2: little kid and we really see how special their relationship is.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's just very heartwarming to see that.
Speaker 2: And I think anybody watching that mother and daughter watching
Speaker 2: that scene is just they fall deeper and deeper in
Speaker 2: love with this show.
Speaker 1: And I bet you the tears were just flowing, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, especially in light of all the relationships that
Speaker 1: we talked about in this episode. It brings it back
Speaker 1: to like what the show's at the heart. It is
Speaker 1: called gil Mortals, right, and this is this is the
Speaker 1: primary thing.
Speaker 2: And the healing quality of the show, because you know,
Speaker 2: I do a lot of conventions, and what I hear
Speaker 2: most what is the mother daughter and how it brought
Speaker 2: us back together. And now we watch it religiously together
Speaker 2: and it's healed our relationship and now our father's involved
Speaker 2: and our brothers are involved, and it's just it's really
Speaker 2: helped our family. So it's like this this tonic for
Speaker 2: people's lives and it's just wonderful to hear it. And
Speaker 2: and that scene, that scene encapsulates that the power of love.
Speaker 1: The power of love? Right, Yeah, what are we gonna say? Sorry?
Speaker 3: Oh, I was just gonna say I loved the camera
Speaker 3: work the way that they told the story with the
Speaker 3: close up of each of them running and then it
Speaker 3: goes out to the macro level with the crane shot
Speaker 3: above the whole square. I just I love the way
Speaker 3: they did that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thinks they know what they're doing things. They know
Speaker 1: what they're doing.
Speaker 2: They's they are master storytellers for sure. What a what
Speaker 2: a team Eddie. Now we're going to focus on you,
Speaker 2: young man.
Speaker 1: Can I just say yes? After seeing Gilmore Girls, after
Speaker 1: of years of like, you know, obviously there was a
Speaker 1: fair amount of nostalgia for me since, like I said,
Speaker 1: that was my first job. I mean, you guys, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously you guys talk about this all the time, their
Speaker 1: pot and stuff. But I have to say, just the
Speaker 1: overall just feeling, I didn't, you know, I didn't expect
Speaker 1: to feel the way that I felt after that show,
Speaker 1: you know, after that one episode, just to be like, man,
Speaker 1: it just feels like an old friend that you just
Speaker 1: love so much, and it just you just wish that
Speaker 1: life could feel that way, right, And I just I
Speaker 1: don't know, it was pretty shocking, is shocking to me.
Speaker 2: And I was like, wow, that was like I think
Speaker 2: you're trying to say you teared up.
Speaker 1: I was like wallowing. I was like, Wow, that vibe
Speaker 1: is just so it's just unique.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the fields that it does. Man, all right,
Speaker 2: how did you first get the role of Henry Show?
Speaker 1: Do you remember? Yeah? I was? I was. I was
Speaker 1: doing theater in Chicago. My my reps out there were like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're getting some interest down in LA. I was like, great,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go. I just want to be
Speaker 1: a theater actor in Chicago. They're like, you're a moron.
Speaker 1: Just go see what happens. Chicago's not going anywhere. So
Speaker 1: I was like okay. So I took like a two
Speaker 1: week road trip with my buddy Jimmy. We're in Vegas.
Speaker 1: This will date me. My page is blowing up and
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm like all right, and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you got to be in La by Monday. Was I
Speaker 1: was there for the weekend and and they're like, there's
Speaker 1: a show Gilmore Girls that wants to you know, meet you.
Speaker 1: Drop my buddy off at the airport, pulled out the
Speaker 1: old paper Thomas Guide and I was like, where this
Speaker 1: Warner Brother's place When there was a room full of people.
Speaker 1: Turns out that all the casting directors were actually from Chicago,
Speaker 1: so that sort of put me at ease. Uh and
Speaker 1: then yeah, I read for it, and then like a
Speaker 1: day and a half later, they're like, yeah, cut, you're
Speaker 1: you got the part. And I was like, nice, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how many episodes did you expect to be and
Speaker 2: did they tell you?
Speaker 1: I don't remember. At the time, they may have even
Speaker 1: said that I was recurring, but I'm not sure. But
Speaker 1: I mean at the time I was so green, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't even know what that meant, right, Because I think
Speaker 1: the first season ended, I went back to Chicago to
Speaker 1: do a theater show and then and then they called
Speaker 1: again to be like, hey, we wrote him in a
Speaker 1: few more episodes. Yeah mm hmm. Nice. Yeah that's great. Well,
Speaker 1: so what was it like working with Keiko? Yeah, it was,
Speaker 1: it was It was great. It was funny watching the
Speaker 1: episode that we went over because my memory of it's
Speaker 1: it's weird when like offset dynamics mirror onset dynamics, and
Speaker 1: I remember like I would rarely see like Teal, Paris
Speaker 1: and Shelley without one without the other two, so you know,
Speaker 1: and then with Keko, I always saw Kiko sort of separately.
Speaker 1: And then I would always you know, you know as
Speaker 1: far as and then and then Rory would just sort
Speaker 1: of sort of be coming in and out as as
Speaker 1: I saw her. But Keko was just such such a sweetheart.
Speaker 1: And I've seen her since a few times, like she's uh,
Speaker 1: she just does a lot of improv and there was
Speaker 1: a time where I was deep into the improv scene,
Speaker 1: so I would see her at shows and you know
Speaker 1: we'd always say hi and stuff like that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: she was always just really really fun and sweet. Favorite
Speaker 1: memories I think just the excitement of, like I said,
Speaker 1: this was my first TV job and I had just
Speaker 1: landed in in LA so just just you know, the
Speaker 1: thrill of just being on an actual professional set and
Speaker 1: like you know the party scene where I met they
Speaker 1: were like all these extras and I'm like, whoa, this
Speaker 1: is like this is how they do it, and just
Speaker 1: like you know, wide eyed, and it was this a
Speaker 1: great foraid to the industry. Yeah, uh, do you get
Speaker 1: recognized for being on the show. Yeah, you know, years
Speaker 1: after this, like maybe about five years ago, I was
Speaker 1: doing a different show, and like mothers would bring their
Speaker 1: daughters to like you know meet the cast of that
Speaker 1: show and the daughters would be fans of that show,
Speaker 1: and the mothers would be fans of Gilmore Girl. So
Speaker 1: it'd be like this weird dynamic where like the kid
Speaker 1: would be like, hey, you're Dave and the parents would
Speaker 1: be like, no, he's Henry. So you know, yeah, just randomly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls fans very passionate. Man Like, there's no there's
Speaker 1: not like a middle ground of like the Gilmore Girl
Speaker 1: like either they're in or they're like, what's you know,
Speaker 1: Either they're like I don't know what Gilmore Girls would
Speaker 1: like do he's Henry show? You know? Yeah, they are
Speaker 1: quite extraordinary. Yeah, so you were a series regular on
Speaker 1: that eighties show. Yeah, that was the show that took
Speaker 1: me off. Gilmore Girls. Oh really yeah, because, like the
Speaker 1: way I remember it well, people know that seventies show,
Speaker 1: and the creators of that show were creating a spin off,
Speaker 1: and so we let the show, you know, Gilmore Girls,
Speaker 1: you know, Amy know that hey he's I mean I
Speaker 1: probably went in the audition for that thing like seven
Speaker 1: or eight times, and by the time the fifth or
Speaker 1: sixth audition came around, we sort of let Gilmore Girls
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, this is turned this might turn
Speaker 1: into something, and of course it did, and then so
Speaker 1: you know, Amy was like, oh that's too bad. You know,
Speaker 1: we had other things planned for Henry. But you know
Speaker 1: what Best of Love? Right? Seven auditions? Yeah, because like
Speaker 1: they did again, I was sort of new to the
Speaker 1: to the city and a lot of the cast were
Speaker 1: like who Eddie who, Like where's he from? Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: So you know, the first couple of rounds were just
Speaker 1: like these hundreds of people where they just read you.
Speaker 1: And then eventually I got to meet the producers and
Speaker 1: then you know, you sort of moved.
Speaker 2: So it took you, you know, three or four auditions
Speaker 2: just to get to the producer level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like three auditions to get to the producer,
Speaker 1: then like two of the producers, and then there's a
Speaker 1: studio level, and then then you know, the network level. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, man, I just I got this job so easily.
Speaker 1: I had Yeah, that was it.
Speaker 2: One read Yeah, because it was because Luke was a
Speaker 2: guest star in the pilot.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And then they're just like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: guy's gonna stick around. I didn't have to get amazing,
Speaker 1: and I've been through all that.
Speaker 2: I've been through the whole Ringer of Yeah, all the
Speaker 2: studio level, network level, you know, it takes right and
Speaker 2: you never you're going to get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been through. I don't have to go through
Speaker 1: that on this. That's that's the best way where you
Speaker 1: sort of take the back door. Yeah, exactly, exactly. That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Announced in the first meeting.
Speaker 2: Listen, this is the only chance you're going to get
Speaker 2: to read me, So either get or I'm sailing.
Speaker 1: Nice cocky. I remember in the room there was for
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls. It was it was it was it was
Speaker 1: the two casting directors of the casting associate who has
Speaker 1: now since become a casting director, and then Amy was there,
Speaker 1: and then there was another like consultants to the show
Speaker 1: who wanted to see if, like I could authentically pass
Speaker 1: as like a young Korean American man. Oh really, okay,
Speaker 1: I think it was she was like, actually Amy's actual
Speaker 1: friend Helen Pie. Is that who it was?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Helen Pie. It was probably Helen. Yeah, yeah, they're very
Speaker 2: good friends.
Speaker 1: And I have and I have the audition side somewhere
Speaker 1: for Gilmore Girls. I was trying to find him before
Speaker 1: the podcast, be like what scene did I read for?
Speaker 1: But it's floating around in my house somewhere right right.
Speaker 2: So you've had a pretty diverse career, really, West World, Beef, sitcoms,
Speaker 2: Alex and Katie. You prefer comedy drama?
Speaker 1: What do you like? I think just my personality I
Speaker 1: think lends it self to like the multicam. Well, I
Speaker 1: just like it as the genre. But as you know,
Speaker 1: as you know, as you go through things in your
Speaker 1: own life, you kind of want to express it in
Speaker 1: different ways, and sometimes you're just feeling like, I want
Speaker 1: to do something a little bit more dramatic versus I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, letting loose a little bit on
Speaker 1: the silly side. So that was something that was always
Speaker 1: important to me to do a variety of different stuff.
Speaker 1: Let's create a new character of the multiicam dramas so.
Speaker 2: We don't have to do it over and over and
Speaker 2: over again, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean, you still have to do it.
Speaker 2: You still have to repeat your stuff on the multicams,
Speaker 2: but they're all unique takes and they're all preserved that way. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean. The tricky thing about that is sometimes they
Speaker 1: just read write a lot. I mean not sometimes they
Speaker 1: all the time they're like, hey, your new line is
Speaker 1: this and sort of on the spot you have to deliver.
Speaker 1: But some I'm sure some of the hours you had
Speaker 1: on Gilmore Girls must have been brutal. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sometimes, yeah, but I mean that's just that's just TV.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's the nature of the thing it is.
Speaker 2: That's that's the nature of the beast. They they say
Speaker 2: they don't pay for to act. They pay you to
Speaker 2: wait to wait around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right right. Any upcoming projects fans should look
Speaker 1: out for. Uh yeah, I'm doing a bunch of voiceover
Speaker 1: stuff right now. Unfortunately they're sort of riddled with like
Speaker 1: I signed my life away with like NDA's you know,
Speaker 1: I don't talk about this stuff. I'm like, you know whatever,
Speaker 1: but just you know, voiceover stuff I'm doing, you know,
Speaker 1: a project with Sony. We're working on a game and
Speaker 1: then some an animated series that's gonna come out sometime
Speaker 1: whatever they decide to release it.
Speaker 2: I am not one to get you to violate India's
Speaker 2: new I don't.
Speaker 1: Want to get in the middle of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, all right, We're gonna do rapid Fire. You ready,
Speaker 2: let's go passing your seatbelts, coffee, your tea coffee.
Speaker 1: How do you take your coffee. Black Children or Yale
Speaker 1: Yale Team Dean Jess or Logan Dean Why I it's
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a gut instinct thing where I'm
Speaker 1: just like I just like Dean. You know, it's none
Speaker 1: of my business. Richard or Emily, Oh, Richard.
Speaker 2: Again, none of my business? Favorite season?
Speaker 1: Oh one? The introduction to it All one is fantastic?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding? Wow? I am being very serious.
Speaker 2: One word to describe Gilmour Girls heart Mmmm, So'syne?
Speaker 1: What about you?
Speaker 3: Uh comfortable?
Speaker 2: Favorite character Henry Laura Lai answer, good answer, most iconic
Speaker 2: Gilmore Girls quote.
Speaker 1: I will say I I I rarely laugh out loud,
Speaker 1: but I did laugh out loud when Rory said I
Speaker 1: you know I love you? You did? I was like heart,
Speaker 1: that hit my heart. You know I don't do that
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah. Luke's Diner or Friday night dinner. Oh Lukes.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: It says a lot about you like that. Ni Shan,
Speaker 2: you are amazing. Thank you for spending some time with us.
Speaker 2: We've heard your ass catching up. All the best to
Speaker 2: you and good luck on all your future projects and
Speaker 2: please please come back. All right, man, there's more to
Speaker 2: unearth here. Okay, thanks for coming on already, Shin, everybody.
Speaker 2: Let's give him a round of applause, all right, Bud,
Speaker 2: take care, all right, everybody, and also again follow us
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