1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. If you are like myself 2 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: and my husband, we work night and day to help 3 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: our children to study. Let's see, what are they having today? 4 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: An ap world history test and something a biology test 5 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: to big tests? One day it's almost homecoming? What are 6 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: they gonna wear? What are they what are their shoes? 7 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: What's the motif? It goes on and on? What's up 8 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: for scouts? How close are they to eagle it? Just 9 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: my point is you do everything you can to help 10 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: them to advance him one step four to a happy life. 11 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: You know, my daughter has been watching what is It? Jackie? 12 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: What is It? She watches reruns up Gilmore Girls and 13 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: Gossip Girls, but Gilmore is the one I'm talking about 14 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: right now. I didn't even know about Gilmore Girls. So 15 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: she started watching the reruns and Rory wants to go 16 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: This is the Girl and Gilmore Girls. She wants to 17 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: go to Harvard, and Lucy now thinks she wants to 18 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: go to an IVY League school, which I'm all happy 19 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: about it if she makes it great. What I'm saying is, 20 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: you think, wow, could my child get into an IVY well, 21 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: then their life would be just set right. And i 22 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't have to worry anymore. Well, listen to this. I'm 23 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: working up to something here. This little girl, Miss Rock, 24 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: just turns twenty. She makes it, jes a valedictorian of 25 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: her high school class. She gets a full scholarship to 26 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: Princeton full scholarship. You know how happy her family is. 27 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: They have worked their fingers to the bone to get 28 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: their daughter. She made it. And now the little girl 29 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: is missing. She's missing, She's gone. We've been on the 30 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: investigation for days. Now where is miss Rock? I'm Nancy Grace. 31 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us 32 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and Series six one eleven. First 33 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: of all, taking listen to our friends at ABC seven. 34 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: The search continues for a Princeton student who went missing yesterday. 35 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: Law enforcement is stepping up patrols around the New Jersey 36 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 1: Ivy League campus for Moose Rock Unati. Princeton says it's 37 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: deploying a helicopter, drones, and watercraft to aid in the search. 38 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: Unate is an undergraduate student part of the class of 39 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. The school is asking anyone's information to 40 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: contact Princeton's Department of Public Safety. All we know is 41 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: that she essentially vanished in the middle of the night. 42 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: By all accounts, misratch Unite is an exceptional student earning 43 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: a full ride to one of the nation's most prestigious universities. 44 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: A campus disappearance. Obviously, it's heartbreaking students reacting after word 45 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: got out that twenty year old Misratch Unite, a second 46 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: year student at Princeton University, hasn't been seen since early 47 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: Friday morning. Right now, I'm having just big red flags 48 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: waving in my head. He just heard from my friends 49 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: at ABC seven as well as Cleveland nineteen. Where is 50 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: this girl? Miss Rock? Joining me an all star panel 51 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: to make sense of what we know right now? And 52 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: in the investigation of the disappearance of Miss Rock, Jason 53 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: Oceans joining me, high profile lawyer out of this jurisdiction 54 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: he practices all over. Jason, the first thing is jumping 55 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: out at me. I got a lot of questions. But 56 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: the Princeton University Police, No, I don't know if how 57 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: long they handled the disappearance, how many hours they were involved. 58 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: But right there, you have to get the actual, the 59 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: real police. No offense to them, no offense whatsoever. But 60 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: you need the full on police. You remember Kristen Smart. 61 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: How those campus security screwed that whole thing up. I mean, 62 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: we lost days because of them in finding or discovering 63 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: that Kristen Smart was missing. Her body has never been found, 64 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: and they screwed it up. I'm just telling you like 65 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: it is, Jason Otions. Now, I hear you, Nancy, and 66 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: I think Princeton set out the alert on Monday, you know, 67 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: some forty eight hours afterwards. Who you know, University police 68 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: are uh, you know, limited in the type of scale 69 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: that they have cases. And clearly, once she was missing 70 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: beyond twenty four hours, they should have sounded the alarm. 71 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: Well wait, why are you sounding like a cop? What 72 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: do you mean what she's missing after twenty four hours? 73 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: I didn't know that it was statutorily mandated that you 74 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: have to wait twenty four hours. I mean, let me 75 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: tell you this, Jason Otions. If my children are not 76 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: there at pickup, yeah, I'm calling police right then. So 77 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: why would I have to wait twenty four hours? You know, 78 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: they investigate typically they think that you know, first reaction 79 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: is that someone has left voluntarily. They're not scoped to 80 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: think that first, and they wait to see uh and 81 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: investigate that aspect first before you know, hitting the red alarms. 82 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: So if you're not used to these cases and you're 83 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: not sensitive to them, then there is that waiting period. 84 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: And you and I both know that that waiting period 85 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: in that first twenty four to forty eight hours the 86 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: most critical aspect the longer you wait. Those hours are 87 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: our days and and and the opportunity to capture an eyewitness, 88 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: someone who saw something in some way, or someone who 89 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: noticed something off but didn't connect it to this situation. 90 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: Those moments are are lost, and you know now we 91 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: try to recapture that in some way, and sometimes often 92 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: it's too late. You're so right, And Nancy, I hate 93 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: to jump in and go to clarify something. He's jumping in. 94 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: This is Dave Mac. Jump in. Dave Mac joining me 95 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: from crime Online. Go all right, Nancy, here's the reality. Okay, 96 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: she was last seen at three am, outsider, don't yep. 97 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: But she wasn't reported missing until Monday at nine twenty. 98 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: And the reason is real simple. Nobody knew she was gone, Okay, 99 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: the police. It wasn't the police dropping the ball. Nobody 100 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: reported her missing until nine o'clock on Monday, Okay, And 101 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: when she was reported missing who took the report, who 102 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: began investigating it began at Princeton with the Princeton University Police. 103 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, because I understand the campus police 104 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: held onto it for twenty four hours or so, and 105 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: those hours are critical. And again, Dave Mack, I want 106 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: you to clarify any fate that you hear that could 107 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: be wrong, because no fact is unimportant, no matter how 108 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: small in this case, so what you just said it's 109 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: actually really important, and what Jason Ocean said is also correct. 110 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: We're all three right. The campus security got it held 111 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: onto it, but she was missing from the early morning hours. 112 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: It was Friday. Would that have been Saturday morning at 113 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: three am? Or it would have been Friday morning at 114 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: three am? Okay, So then we go the whole day 115 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: Friday night, then the whole day Saturday and Saturday night, 116 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: the whole day Sunday and Sunday night, and then she's 117 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: reported missing on Monday. Do I have that right? Dave 118 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: Max absolutely correct. And then at that point when everybody 119 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: finally realizes where's miss Rock, it's handed over to campus security. 120 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: And again, let me be clear, straight out to Glenn 121 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: Bard joining me former Pennsylvania State Trooper first Class, also 122 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: Computer Crime Investigations expert, US VET of Operation Desert Storm 123 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: and runs. How do I say it, Glenn Bard? We 124 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: call it patc tech. Of course you do, because nobody 125 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: would think that patctech dot com. Glenn Bard. I am 126 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: not attacking campus security because campus security typically is great 127 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: for on campus activity, but they are not trained in 128 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: kidnapping and first response and so many other things that 129 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: you need in a disappearance of a young girl like this. 130 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: Situations like this, obviously, the more agencies evolved, the better 131 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: off there are, especially if you can start getting into 132 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: the agencies that have just seriously more equipment, more technology, 133 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: and more resources. I'm not familiar with what their training is, 134 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 1: what they go through, but anytime I've worked in case 135 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: as similar as this, we of course want to get 136 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: any kind of agency involved. It does have specialized capabilities 137 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: and specialized training, and of course in a situation like this, 138 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: your agencies are going to want to be willing to 139 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: help as much as possible to trying to find a 140 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: young lady like this, This girl just twenty years old. 141 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: Remember validictorian umber high school class, full scholarship at Princeton 142 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: University Ivy League and she's doing great, great, great so far? 143 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: What more do we learn? Take listen to our friends 144 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: at pix eleven. Twenty year old Miss Ratchu went as 145 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: He was first reported missing Monday night. She was last 146 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: seen early Friday morning at the dorm where she lived 147 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: on the south end of campus. Weighing on the minds 148 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: of students at Princeton University the mysterious disappearance of miss Rattuanity, 149 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: a student from Cleveland, Ohio. So far, no details of 150 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: surface about why or how she's gone missing. The twenty 151 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: year old is five foot four, one hundred and thirty 152 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: pounds and has brown eyes brown hair. On the last 153 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: day she was seen was also the last day of 154 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: classes before the university broke for fall recess. Classes are 155 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: set to resume next Monday. She was last seen around 156 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: Friday in the vicinity of Scully Hall. If you know 157 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: where she is or where she could be, you're asked 158 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: to call public Safety at six O nine two five 159 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: eight one thousand Time Stories with Nancy Grace joining me. 160 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: Greg Smith, Special Deputy Sheriff, Johnson County Sheriff's Office, Executive 161 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: director of Kelsey Smith Foundation Online at Kelsey's Army dot com. Greg, 162 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: here's another layer that we're not taking into account. I 163 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: just learned from Picks. Dave Max said Monday, it's Monday night, 164 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: first reported missing Monday night, we think, but listen to this. 165 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: Did you hear this, Greg Smith? That that was the 166 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: Friday morning that everybody was leaving. It was the last 167 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: day of classes. That's the last day she's seen. Also 168 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: the last day of classes before Princeton broke for fall break, 169 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: which means, as Jason Notions was saying earlier, everybody and 170 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: their recollections and what they saw that morning, it's gone. 171 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: Everybody left for fall break. They're just getting back on Monday. 172 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: That's when they realize she's nowhere to be seen. That's 173 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: another problem. Greg. Yeah, I mean that that's explained a 174 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 1: lot about the delay in reporting, and that I mean 175 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: people weren't there, they left, her roommates may have not 176 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: been there, so they didn't know that she didn't come back. 177 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: And you know, just like when my daughter Kelsey was 178 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: a kidnapped, at the very beginning, there is nothing tangible, 179 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: there's no tactile evidence anywhere to show that something happened, 180 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: that there was a kidnapping, or that you know there 181 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: was an accident that it was the same thing with Kelsey. 182 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: We didn't know what had happened or where she went. 183 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: She was just gone. And that presents a problem for 184 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: the police because while they're interested in recovering a missing 185 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: person and an answer to your earlier question, there is 186 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: no statutory requirement to wait twenty four hours. There was 187 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: there was nothing for them to act on. It's not 188 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 1: against the law to be missing, you know, Dave mac 189 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: a couple of things. We have been told she was 190 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: last saying in the early morning hours on Friday. Where 191 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: exactly was she seen. She was seen outside of her dorm. 192 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: It's called Scully Hall. She was actually seen there. Now 193 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: we know that she checked into Scully Hall. She went 194 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: in to her dorm. Here's what we don't know, Nancy. 195 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: We know that she got into the dorm, but we 196 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: know that her roommate, Okay, the person who actually shares 197 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: a direct common area with her, arrived into the room 198 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:56,719 Speaker 1: about four thirty. She says, this role was not there 199 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: at four thirty. Okay, let me understand she was last 200 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: seen by other people outside the dorm. Right, did she 201 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: go in and check in and then come back out. 202 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: We know that she checked in. We know that she 203 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: checked into the dorm. I guess they have one of 204 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: those cards slide things that recognizes when you check in. Yeah, 205 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: he knows you went in. But no, we don't know. 206 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: We just know from that point that the roommate says 207 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: she did not see her at four thirty. You know, 208 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean anything really other than that she's saying 209 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: she didn't see her. She wasn't looking for her either. 210 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: And also, Dave Mack, I don't know the layout of 211 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: their rooms, but they may be you know, like my 212 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: dorm room, my bed was about three feet four feet 213 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: away from my dorm mate. We're right there in the 214 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: same room to twin beds. Okay, how do I know 215 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: their room isn't set up where they have a common 216 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: study area in two rooms off to each side with doors. 217 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get the floor flat for her room. 218 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: I have for the same reason, Nancy. But the other 219 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: part of this is, as it's been mentioned, fall break 220 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: kicked off. So you've got most of these college classes. 221 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: Many were already done with their mid term testing by 222 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: Thursday night. That's why they were events taking place Thursday 223 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: night by Friday morning, somebody not being there. Hey, it 224 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: just assumed that she left to head home for the week. Hey, 225 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: is Scully hall co ed? I don't I apologize. Okay, 226 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: we'll find out in just a minute, and I'll tell 227 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: you where I'm going with this. If people saw her 228 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: outside the dorm and she checked into the dorm, we 229 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: don't know she was going in and came back out, 230 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: or if she went back in and never came out. 231 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking specifically of this one too, Jackie. Remember 232 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: annie Lee was Annie Lee, brilliant, brilliant researcher, and she 233 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: went I think it was an Ivy League school too. 234 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: She went into the research department and then there was 235 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: a fire alarm. Everybody came running out, and she was 236 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: never seen again. She was killed in the building and 237 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: hidden in the wall. That's what I'm saying. How do 238 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: I know, Dave Matt, Let's pretend that you're right. With 239 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: a key card. She key cards in at three am. 240 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: I guess she's been to some party or something. It's 241 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: the night before everybody goes home for fall break. They 242 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: don't have to be in school the next day, so 243 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: she goes in. Did she ever come out or Dave 244 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: Matt Did she check in, go in and get something 245 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: and come back out. You see, that's really important. Do 246 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: we have any idea? Well, we know is that her 247 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: sweet mates saw her around three am. They saw her. 248 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: They said that she brushed her teeth and then went 249 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: to her room. That's what we know. We know that 250 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: she they say she went to her room. Then the 251 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: direct roommate came home around four to thirty but said 252 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: she did not see her. He bes right in the 253 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: room their shared room. Oh, I see, I see what 254 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: you mean. It's okay, now I'm getting it. Sounds like 255 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: two girls in one bedroom, two girls in another bedroom, 256 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: and then I'm an area because her roommates. That is 257 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: the report. So there's more than just one roommate they 258 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: saw her at three am, than another roommate who sleeps 259 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: I think, in the room with her to not see 260 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: her after four am. So she goes in, brushes her 261 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: teeth like she's about to go to bed, and then 262 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: she's never seen again. That's adding a whole another layer 263 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: of mystery, and my mind. Guy's with me. Jason Oceans, 264 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: high profile lawyer out of New York and New Jersey, 265 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: including this jurisdiction, Doctor Charles Heller, clinical forensic psychologist, chief 266 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: forensic consultant in Rockland County. That's in New York Forensic 267 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: Mental Health Unit, Rutger's Biomedical and Health Sciences, Greg Smith, 268 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: Special Deputy Sheriff, Johnson's County Sheriff, Glenn Bard, former trooper Pennsylvania. 269 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: And Dave Mattcrime online dot Com investigative reporter. What more 270 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: or do we know? Take a listen to our friends 271 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: at WP the I. Princeton University Police are expanding their 272 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: search efforts as they look for missing university student, miss Roch. Unity. 273 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: This is one of the areas that they were searching 274 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: by boat this morning. We are near the Shay Rowing 275 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: Center where law enforcement have created a staging area and 276 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: you can see some of the investigators and some of 277 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: the crews there near the water's edge right now. Earlier 278 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: we saw investigators walking along the banks of the lake 279 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: farther down here in this area. Now, let's take you 280 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: to some video. Miss Roch has been missing since three 281 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: am Friday, according to campus police, and was last seen 282 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: in the area of Scully Hall on campus, which is 283 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: about a quarter mile from here. Interesting. Interesting they're making 284 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 1: it sound like she was less seen outside. That's not 285 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: what the roommates are saying, Dave Mack. They saw her 286 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: insight at three am, brushing her teeth. Miss Row is 287 00:18:53,080 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: five four, one hundred and thirty pounds, beautiful, brown eyes, long, shiny, 288 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: dark care. She's a light complexion. Originally from northeast Ohio. 289 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: Full scholarship to prestigious Princeton and it covered her tuition, 290 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: her fees, room and board, book supplies, and travel expenses 291 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: for four years. She was interested in majoring in science 292 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: Princeton her first choice. Now her disappearance comes as students 293 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: are all taking off for fall break. In the hustle 294 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: and bustle of everyone leaving the dorm, no one realizes 295 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: that this twenty year old girl is missing until Monday evening. 296 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: Listen again to our friends at WPVII. The university has 297 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: said that as the search continues today, increased law enforcement 298 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: will be on campus, including boats, drones, and helicopters. Chopper 299 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: six was over the scene near Washington Road Bridge and 300 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: the Shay Rowing Center around at nine o'clock this morning. Now, 301 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: the campus has been pretty quiet because they're on a 302 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: fall break right now. But again, this investigation has been ongoing. Now, 303 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,479 Speaker 1: Princeton University has released photos of the student in an 304 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: effort to spread the word. Miss Rach is around five 305 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: foot four, around one hundred and thirty pounds. She has 306 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: brown eyes and black hair. She is twenty years old, 307 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,719 Speaker 1: and she a member of Princeton University's class of twenty 308 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: twenty four. Now, university officials have not said anything about 309 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: the case or what led up to her disappearance. Anyone 310 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: information on miss ratching Unity's whereabouts is asked to call 311 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: six O nine two five eight, one thousand boats, droned helicopters. 312 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Dave Mack again, I really 313 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: need to clarify this. Was she last seen in her 314 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: dorm or she last seen outside Scully Hall inside her dorm? Okay, 315 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: I got some knees for you. It's co ed. I 316 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: don't like it. I'm saying I don't like co ed dorms, 317 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: which I don't. But as far as a crime goes, 318 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: if she's last seen in her dorm and she's never 319 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: seen again in did she ever leave the dormitory or 320 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: is she in there somewhere, we've got another clue. Now 321 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends, at crime online dot Com. 322 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: Misron a unite was last senior Scully Home on the 323 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,959 Speaker 1: Princeton campus, but her cell phone pinged off campus near 324 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: a New Jersey housing complex, a unitase brother says that 325 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: happened two days after she vanished. The information comes from 326 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: the fact that the twenty year old chaired her location 327 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: with a family member, but the phone appears to have 328 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: now been turned off. The brother says that turning off 329 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: the phone would be very uncharacteristic for his sister. Police 330 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: have visited the undisclosed housing complex three times, searching the 331 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: outdoor areas, including once with police dogs and speaking to 332 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: some residents. Okay, that's not good. When was the last 333 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: time your team, your child, somebody you know turned off 334 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: their cell phone unless they're charging at charging it at night. 335 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: Did you hear what crime online dot com was just 336 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: reporting again, Dave Mack. Everybody's saying she's seen near Scully Hall. 337 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: You are saying she was seen inside Scully Hall in 338 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: her room, brushing her teeth at preston her cell phone. 339 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: Now ping's off campus New New Jersey housing complex. Her 340 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: brother said that ping happened two days after she vanished. Right, Okay, 341 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: her brother Johnathan actually checked when they couldn't get up 342 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: with her and she wasn't responding to text messages, Nancy. 343 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: That's when her brother checked the Apple location sharing and 344 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: he saw that her phone's last ping was at three 345 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: thirty am. Okay, that Sunday morning, and that was where 346 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: it was near the off campus housing complex. Wait, did 347 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 1: you say it's an off campus housing complex? Is that 348 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: what you said? Yes, exactly, yes, ma'am. And it's about 349 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: a thirty minute walk from her dorm. Okay, Jason Oceans, 350 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: are you familiar with this location at all? I've been 351 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: to Princeton University a number of times. I'm not familiar 352 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 1: with Scully Hall. I'm familiar with the off campus housing. 353 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: You are familiar with the off campus housing. Are you 354 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: sure Dave mckett was off campus housing or is it 355 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: a housing project? No, it's actually this is it says 356 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 1: near an off campus housing complex. Well you're right, then, 357 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: you're right. That's not that it can't be that far 358 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: away from campus. What did you say twenty minutes thirty 359 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: minute walk or what they're saying thirty minute walk or 360 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: like probably a what three minute four minute drive about 361 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: a mile and a half Nancy. Yeah, Nancy, this is Greg. 362 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: Go ahead, Greg Smith, jump in man. Yeah. My understanding 363 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: is that this is a I don't believe it's associated 364 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: with the university. This is it just a housing complex 365 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: where people live, and that police in that area have 366 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: been out there several times. But obviously they can't go 367 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: into the houses without a warrant. Well why don't they 368 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: get a warrant go door to door? For Pete's say, 369 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: that's where a phone ping. Yeah, and a lot of 370 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: places are off campus housing that are not affiliated, that 371 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: are not built by or owned by the university, but 372 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 1: they're still referred to as off campus. But what you're 373 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: saying is important. It was not campus housing. You know, 374 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: I want to go to Glenbard. Former Prinsylvania State trooper 375 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: and now computer crime expert at patctech dot com Glenbard. 376 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: What does all that mean about the cell phone? Break 377 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: it down for me? Well, a lot of things. The 378 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: first off date appus that they are using an app 379 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: either something like find my iPhone or Life three sixteen, 380 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: and those apps are very accurate. But unfortunately when the device, 381 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: everybody keeps saying being turned off because I've also lost power? 382 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: Whoa man, you're too smart for us. You got to 383 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: slow it down. Okay, what just start at the beginning. Okay, 384 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: So this thing they're talking about is what it sounds 385 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: like being used with an app either iPhones, Find my iPhone, 386 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: or if it's a different device, something like Life three sixties. 387 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 1: These are apps that allow for families sharing of locations 388 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:10,479 Speaker 1: for safety purposes, and they are honestly, very accurate and 389 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: very reliable. The thing that it had had showed that 390 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: location early in the morning, showing us the last one 391 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: and then no more. It could be because the device 392 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: is turned off. It could also be because the device 393 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: simply lost power, and that's going to be one of 394 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: the things that law enforcement can do other things to determine. Okay, 395 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: has the device been turned off, has it lost power? 396 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: Has it communicated at other times? Using things like this, 397 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: other records they can get back from the provider ATMT 398 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: Verizon or T Mobile, which I'm sure law enforcement has 399 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: gotten them and is looking at them to see was 400 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 1: there the device moving over there was their communication around 401 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,959 Speaker 1: that time? Who was she communicating with winning up to 402 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: that point in time? Obviously, was she communicate with somebody 403 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 1: with somebody who lived in that housing project. So these 404 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: are all things that law enforcement will get those records 405 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: and identify because I can really help with the investigation 406 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: aspect of it. Okay, I've got so many questions based 407 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: on what you just said. Number one, can you tell 408 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: do you get the same type of For instance, if 409 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: she had an Android some type and the brother has 410 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: an iPhone, can they track each other? I know with 411 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: Life three sixty you can, doesn't matter if the phones 412 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: are the same type. But with an iPhone, I understand 413 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,719 Speaker 1: how you can do find my iPhone? Can you find 414 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: my Android? Is there such a thing there's not to 415 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: find my android? But there are applications very similar to it, 416 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: like the one you mentioned being in Life three sixty. Yes, okay, 417 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: Live three sixty is a great app I have it. 418 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: I had to get it when my children went on 419 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: a bus to Disney without parents for their band to 420 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: play their school band to play at Disney. You think 421 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let my children go alone that many miles 422 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: away without me knowing where they were. Good thing they 423 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: didn't look out at the back of the bus and 424 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: see me behind them in the minivan. Nat said, I 425 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: wanted the Life three sixty, but so you're saying find 426 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: my iPhone, and I'm just using that generically like we 427 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 1: would say xerox for all copies. Find my iPhone can 428 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: be done on any kind of phone. Life three sixty 429 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: can be done on any kind of phone. Here's my 430 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: question to you. Can't police tell if the phone powered down, 431 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: went dead, or if it was cut off? Can they 432 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: tell that? Not completely? They can't come back and say, Okay, 433 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: it was turned off here or it just went out 434 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: of range. But they can start looking at the area 435 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: around it and seeing me if the device an office 436 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 1: in a very isolated place, maybe it's out of range, 437 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: it's somewhere in that and know that they cannot tell 438 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: if it went dad or if it was cut off. 439 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: They don't know. You can't tell that, no, just from 440 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: the records themselves and know again, we can kind of 441 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: make it a guess, but we cannot absolutely guarantee whether 442 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: it's turned off, powered down, or put an airplane mode. No, 443 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: we cannot, Sydney show me the kind of phone she 444 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: has one more time, guys, this is what we know. 445 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: You you just show me she has an iPhone Apple 446 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: location is sharing. Okay, so she does have iPhone, all right, 447 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: Now that we know that, what more does that tell 448 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: me about the capabilities of finding it there? They're really 449 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: really good. Lucy has lost her phone on multiple vacations 450 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: and we can immediately find it and someone picks it 451 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: up and tells us where it is, then we go 452 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: there to get the phone. It's happened a lot. But 453 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: when they get there and they have police have been 454 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: to this student housing complex three times that I know of, 455 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: and they can what about it, Greg Smith? They can't 456 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: get a warrant and go door to door right, Well, yeah, 457 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: they can get a warrant if they can establish a 458 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: probable cause. And from everything that we've talked about, we 459 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: don't have that. We don't have anything that points to 460 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: some crime that was committed. There's nothing there. I mean, 461 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: at the best, we've got a reasonable suspicion that she's 462 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: missing and we believe her to be in danger of 463 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: harm or death. New Jersey is a Kelsey Smithack state. 464 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: So they can get the location of a cell phone 465 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: under those circumstances that may lead them to be able 466 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: to get probable cause. But in this case, she was 467 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: sharing her her location with minderstanding with her brother and 468 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it stops and you know, 469 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: like we were talking about earlier, that could mean the 470 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: phone turned off, it went out of range, that it 471 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: got damaged, she got thrown in water, who knows whatever? 472 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: What do you mean by that, Greg Smith? And you say, 473 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: and this is your doing, by the way, then it 474 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: is a Kelsey Smith state. It is a state that 475 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: has the Kelsey Smith Act, which is a law that's 476 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: been passed in thirty states that my wife and I 477 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: have been working on ever since two thousand and nine. 478 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: And what that If you have that law in your state, 479 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: law enforcement has the ability if they have a missing person, 480 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: a person where they do not know they're whereabouts. Doesn't 481 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: have to be foul play or anything, they just don't 482 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: know where they are, and then they have a reasonable 483 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: belief that that person is in danger of physical harm 484 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: or death, they can compel the wireless provider to give 485 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: the location of the boone, just the location. That's it. 486 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: They can't get anything else. Time stories with Nancy Grace. 487 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: Now I want to bring in special guest doctor Charles 488 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: Heller that I introduced earlier. Doctor Heller with Rutger's Biomedical 489 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: and Health Sciences Clinical forensic psychologist doctor Heller, I want 490 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: you to hear a little bit about who is this girl? Listen. 491 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: Miss Unite came to Princeton hoping to make friends. Her 492 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: brother says Unite earned a full scholarship to Princeton and 493 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: has recently changed majors to sociology. According to the Catholic 494 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: Diocese of Cleveland, a Unite was a twenty twenty graduate 495 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: of Cleveland's Villa Angela Saint Joseph High School and class 496 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: valedictorian and a little bit more listen it did from 497 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: Cleveland's Villa Angela Saint Joseph High School in twenty twenty, 498 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: The class valedictorian earned a full right scholarship to a 499 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: college of her choice through a national programs Unite was 500 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: reported missing on Monday. Princeton has been tweeting about her 501 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: mysterious disappearance ever since, hoping they can reach anyone, hoping 502 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: some one knows something that will help find misratch. It hurts, 503 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: it really does, but hopefully she'll be In a statement, 504 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,479 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Diocese said, in part quote, we are praying 505 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: for her swift and safe return. Okay, doctor Heller, I 506 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: wanted you to hear that and see if you agree 507 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: with me that this is not the kind of young 508 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: girl that's just gonna go off with a boyfriend, which 509 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: is what cops always say at the beginning. Ah, she's 510 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: just with her boyfriend, not this girl, Nancy. First of all, 511 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: the report said that she disclosed her location to her 512 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: brother to the family, but it doesn't say where she 513 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: said she was located. She had a location sharing on 514 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: her phone. I think it's what that meant, So she 515 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: and her brother knew each other's location at all time 516 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: by shaking their phone, just like I can look at 517 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: my phone right now and I know where my twins are. 518 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: They shared location. And her track record never missing class, 519 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: being very studious, studying overtime in order to be valedictorian 520 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: of a big high school like that and get a 521 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: four year scholarship to any school she wanted to go 522 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: that she could get into, and she chose Princeton. That 523 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: tells me a lot about her. She's not hanging out 524 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: on the corner trying to score a five A five 525 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: bag so drugs, that's what I'm talking about. That's not 526 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: who this girl is. That's true, but we don't know 527 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: the full story about her life. We know the highlights. 528 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,479 Speaker 1: But I don't know what her mental health background is, 529 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: what the history is. I don't know if she has 530 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: a history of depression. Well let's find out, Dave Mack, 531 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: have you heard anything at all to suggest this girl 532 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: had any type of depression, chronic depression, or any type 533 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,239 Speaker 1: of mental instability? Not at all. And I looked, I 534 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: looked everywhere I could. Guys, what do we know about 535 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,959 Speaker 1: the day she goes missing? Take a listen to our 536 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: friends at crime online Universe. A Unity, thirty years old 537 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: told the US son that his sister eight at Princeton's 538 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: Terrace Club on Thursday night. On Saturday, Miss a Unity 539 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: had an appointment about her application for American citizenship, but 540 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: she didn't show up. Since her disappearance, large scale searches 541 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: have been mounted. A helicopter, drones, and watercraft have been used. 542 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: The Trenton Fire Department dive team and the Princeton University 543 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: rowing team has been part of the search of Carnegie Lake, 544 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: Okay to Jason Oceans, You and I both have worked 545 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: with a lot of people that were formerly getting their citizenship. 546 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: You know how long it takes to do that to 547 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: get that appointment, how hard it is arduous process. Nancy. 548 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: It's difficult, very difficult. And here this girl misses her 549 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: appointment on Saturday. You know what that tells me. It's 550 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: a red flesh. She went missing w Yane Friday, three 551 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: am on Friday and the time of that appointment. There's 552 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: nothing would have kept her from being at that appointment, 553 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: Jason Oss nothing. I agree with you, Nancy. That's the 554 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: critical space right there. So now our timeline has greatly shrunk. 555 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: It's titan, that's a better way to say it. So 556 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: now we're working in a timeline of three am to 557 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: Saturday morning. We're almost at a twenty four hour timeline, 558 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: which is a lot better than an eighty hour timeline. 559 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,720 Speaker 1: What more do we know? Take a listen to our 560 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 1: cut six our forens at Cleveland nineteen Again. Police have 561 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: not said very much about misretch Unity's disappearance, other than 562 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: to say she was last seen around three am and 563 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,760 Speaker 1: that was on campus, Worth noting Friday was the last 564 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: day of classes before the fall recess. Students are on 565 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 1: break this week. They'll be back in the classroom next Monday. 566 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: And more from k from wk y C. I know 567 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: she's usually in touch with her family. They're very worried 568 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: about her. Sir Ra Ellicott was her teacher at Minds 569 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,280 Speaker 1: Matter Cleveland. I've been in touch with mainly her dad 570 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: and her eldest brother. Ellicott says, the undergrad student is 571 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: smart right and would never just wander off. Three News 572 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: spoke to her mother over the phone, kon finehand school, 573 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: Who gone tondu? Dont no, It's it's just so we 574 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: still since Sunday it was was worth king. She graduated 575 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,720 Speaker 1: from Villa Angela Saint Joseph High School at the top 576 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: of her class, and she participated in Minds Matter Cleveland 577 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: that helps low income kids reach their highest potential. Misrock 578 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 1: and her family have been living the American dream through hard, 579 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:57,280 Speaker 1: hard work. She finally is making it. She's at Preston. 580 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: She has her appointment for her citizen and ship after 581 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: all these years, and she misses it. And it's come 582 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: to this. Take a listen to our friends at Wa Bhi. 583 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: At first sight, it might look to be a normal 584 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: full day on Carnegie Lake as Princeton University's crew team 585 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 1: was taking part in their daily workout. However, they weren't 586 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: the only ones out here on the water. They were 587 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: joined by police and fire search boats. We watched two 588 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: boats take off in the parking lot for the boathouse, 589 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: which turned into a police and fire staging area. The 590 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: university has confirmed police are using boats and drones and 591 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: helicopters to search for twenty year olds Iowan Ute. She 592 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: was last seen on campus at Friday night at three 593 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,879 Speaker 1: in the morning. She was right outside of Scully Hall, 594 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: the dormitory where she lives. So water search is going 595 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 1: on right now. Doctor Charles heller Way in This whole 596 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: thing worries me obviously as a father, grandfather, a forensic psychologist, 597 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: an expert. It looks grim. It looks very grim. I 598 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: agree with you, Nancy. If I could jump in for 599 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: a moment. This is John Lemley in the Crime Online newsroom. 600 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: We have some devastating news to pass along. Princeton student 601 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: Miss rot Unite has been found dead. This update comes 602 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: nearly one week after she went missing. The twenty year 603 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 1: old's body was found Thursday, according to the Mercer County 604 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: Prosecutor's Office. The body was found outside on the facilities 605 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: grounds behind the tennis courts. The discovery was made by 606 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: a facilities employee. Prosecutors say there were no signs of injury. 607 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: Prosecutors also state that an autopsy will be conducted. If 608 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: you know or think you know anything, please dial six 609 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: zero nine to five eight one thousand, repeat zero nine 610 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,240 Speaker 1: two five eight one thousand fancy Grace climbs tooy, signing 611 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: off