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Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of I Heart Radio

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Speaker 1: and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Minky listener, Discretion is Advised.

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Speaker 1: Built in sixteen seventy nine by French explorer Renee de

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Speaker 1: la Salle, the forty ton Griffin was the first European

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Speaker 1: ship to sail the Upper Great Lakes. A true wilderness vessel,

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Speaker 1: the Griffin was not a shipyard project. It was built

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Speaker 1: instead along the banks of the Niagara River, several miles

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Speaker 1: north of the American side of the falls. Although the

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Speaker 1: Griffin was fitted out with weaponry, her stated purpose was

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Speaker 1: to deliver supplies for La Salle's expeditions into New France.

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Speaker 1: Setting sail August seven, sixteen seventy nine, with Lasal on board,

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Speaker 1: the Griffin left niagarapher Detroit, where several men joined the crew.

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Speaker 1: The difficult maiden voyage took the Griffin from Lake Erie

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Speaker 1: to St Ignace, through the Straights of Macinaw, and into

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Speaker 1: Lake Michigan. It anchored finally off the shore of Green Bay, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: Soon afterward, Lassole decided to send the Griffin back to

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Speaker 1: Niagara in order to pick up men and supplies. Carrying

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Speaker 1: a cargo of furs, The Griffin set sail on September eighteen,

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Speaker 1: sixteen seventy nine, under favorable weather conditions. Once they left

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Speaker 1: Washington Harbor, however, the ship and her crew of six

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Speaker 1: were never seen again. The Griffin disappeared without a trace.

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Speaker 1: As for what really happened to the Griffin, it very

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Speaker 1: likely went down in a storm, but that hasn't stopped

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Speaker 1: rumors of it reappearing as a ghost ship for centuries.

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Speaker 1: Sailors on Lake Michigan have claimed to see the ghostly

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Speaker 1: outlines of an antiquated ship emerged suddenly out of a

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Speaker 1: fog bank, but just when the ship seem about to collide,

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Speaker 1: the Griffin vanishes. Others swear that the Griffin can be

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Speaker 1: glimpsed on foggy nights, still sailing out of Green Bay Harbor,

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Speaker 1: not sur risingly signing. The lost Griffin is regarded as

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Speaker 1: a sign of bad luck. The Griffin was the first

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Speaker 1: ship on record to be lost in the Great Lakes.

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Speaker 1: Since then, there have been thousands more. So let's head

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Speaker 1: to Sue St. Marie, Michigan and explore the haunted museum

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Speaker 1: ship Valley Camp and why the most recent shipwreck on

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Speaker 1: the Great Lakes may have everything to do with why

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Speaker 1: the Valley Camp is haunted. I'm Amy Brunei, and this

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Speaker 1: is haunted Road. The Upper Peninsula of Michigan, where the

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Speaker 1: Valley Camp is located, is sparsely populated compared to the

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Speaker 1: rest of the state, but incredibly rich in history. It

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Speaker 1: consists of the top one third of Michigan's land mass,

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Speaker 1: yet only three of Michigan's population resides here. Locals are

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Speaker 1: known as uper, a term derived from the term up

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Speaker 1: Upper Peninsula uper. And if you live in the Lower

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Speaker 1: Peninsula of Michigan under the Mackinaw Bridge, they affectionately refer

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Speaker 1: to you as a troll because you live under the bridge. Clearly,

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Speaker 1: many of you probably haven't heard of the Valley Camp.

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Speaker 1: The Valley Camp is a lake freighter that served on

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Speaker 1: ship is five hundred fifty feet in length and features

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Speaker 1: a variety of displays. More than one hundred exhibits populate

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Speaker 1: the ship's cargo hold. What once held iron, ore, coal,

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Speaker 1: and limestone is now home to displays showcasing maritime memories shipwrecks, lighthouses,

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Speaker 1: and local history. The ship is also reportedly quite haunted,

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Speaker 1: which is why we're talking about it today, and I've

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Speaker 1: investigated there so I can vouch for this. But before

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Speaker 1: depth history of the ship itself, it's vital that we

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Speaker 1: explore the history of the very area it is docked,

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Speaker 1: and then we can get into just what is being

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Speaker 1: kept in that ship's cargo hold. Sue St. Marie was

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Speaker 1: settled as early as sixteen sixty eight, making it Michigan's

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Speaker 1: according to siue St. Marie dot com. Over the course

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Speaker 1: of its history, the flags of several sovereign nations have

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Speaker 1: flown over the Sioux. Over two thousand years ago, Native

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Speaker 1: Americans began to gather here for the wealth of fish

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Speaker 1: here On. Spring and fall were important seasons for these

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Speaker 1: original settlers, and they called the area the botting or

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Speaker 1: the gathering Place. The area's first full time residents lived

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Speaker 1: in lodges framed of wood poles sheaths with bark or

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Speaker 1: In the sixteen hundreds, French missionaries and fur traders began

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Speaker 1: legendary Jesuit missionary and explorer Jacques Marquette renamed this burgeoning

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Speaker 1: European settlement Sioue St. Marie, in honor of the Virgin Mary,

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Speaker 1: the first city in the Great Lakes region. While there

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Speaker 1: is some debate on the exact meaning of Siue, scholars

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Speaker 1: the treacherous rapids and cascades that fall twenty one feet

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Speaker 1: the other. This is how Portage Avenue, the main street

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Speaker 1: running along the river, acquired its name. Due to this

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Speaker 1: in the seventeen hundreds. In eighteen twenty the Treaty of

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Speaker 1: the Sioux was signed, which turned control over to the

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Speaker 1: United States. In eighteen twenty three, Fort Brady was built

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Speaker 1: from nearby Canada. This fort on Water Street was eventually

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Speaker 1: was constructed on the grounds of present day Lake Superior

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Speaker 1: State University. Throughout all of this turbulent history, the St.

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Speaker 1: Mary's River continued to dominate the life and events of

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Speaker 1: important component to Sue St. Marie and an engineering marvel

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Speaker 1: to behold in person is the Sioux Lox. Turns out,

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Speaker 1: they did not come about so easily. In case you

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Speaker 1: don't know what a lock is. According to Wikipedia. A

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Speaker 1: lock is a device used for raising and lowering boats, ships,

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Speaker 1: on river and canal waterways. Locks are used to make

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Speaker 1: the Northwest Fur Company constructed a navigation lock thirty eight

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Speaker 1: small boats. This lock remained in use until destroyed in

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Speaker 1: the War of eighteen twelve. Freighters and boats were again

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Speaker 1: portaged around the rapids at that point. Congress passed an

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Speaker 1: act in eighteen fifty two granting seven hundred fifty thousand

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Speaker 1: compensation to the company that would build a lock permitting

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Speaker 1: waterborne commerce between Lake Superior and the other Great Lakes.

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Speaker 1: The Fairbanks Scale Company, which had extensive mining interests in

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Speaker 1: In spite of adverse conditions, Fairbanks is aggressive accountant Charles T. Harvey,

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Speaker 1: the locks were turned over to the state and designated

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Speaker 1: the property and the lock system in the eighteen seventies.

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Speaker 1: Their stewardship actually continues today, administered by the U. S.

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Speaker 1: Army Corps of Engineers. The Sioux Locks are the busiest

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Speaker 1: the Western Hemisphere, completed in nineteen sixty eight. Now sailing

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Speaker 1: ships on the Lakes were built at Lake Ontario, due

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Speaker 1: rapids and the falls at Niagara. All the earliest Great

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Speaker 1: Lakes crafts were brigs, schooners or sloops of traditional European design.

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Speaker 1: The ships were probably designed in either France and England

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Speaker 1: Shipbuilding during that time followed admiralty designs. Even so, the

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Speaker 1: more easily managed than square rig ships. Ease of maneuverability

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Speaker 1: course changes were necessary to navigate the twisting rivers and

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Speaker 1: or lakers, are bulk carrier vessels. Since the late nineteenth century,

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Speaker 1: lakers have carried bulk cargoes of materials such as limestone, iron, ore, grain, coal,

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Speaker 1: Great Lakes to the populous industrial areas farther east. The

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Speaker 1: sixty three commercial ports handled one hundred seventy three million

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Speaker 1: mid January to late March, when most boats are laid

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Speaker 1: up for maintenance. Crew members spend those months ashore, hopefully

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Speaker 1: ashore somewhere in like Hawaii. The Valley Camp in particular,

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Speaker 1: was built by the American Shipbuilding Company in Lorraine, Ohio,

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Speaker 1: A nineteen hundred horsepower triple expansion steam engine and two

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Speaker 1: coal fired boilers powered the ship. During her career, the

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Speaker 1: The Valley Camp arrived in sue St. Marie on July third,

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight, and the Historical Society converted her into

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Speaker 1: For the last fifty years, the Valley Camp has resided

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Speaker 1: Work on Lake Freighter's was originally and still can be treacherous.

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Speaker 1: The Great Lakes has a long history of groundings, shipwrecks, storms,

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Speaker 1: most of which are undiscovered. The largest and last major

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Speaker 1: November tenth, nineteen seventy five, with the loss of the

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Speaker 1: she embarked on her ill fated voyage from Superior, Wisconsin,

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Speaker 1: a second tacon nite freighter, S. S Arthur M. Anderson.

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Speaker 1: winds and waves up to thirty five feet high. Shortly

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Speaker 1: after seven ten pm, Edmund Fitzgerald suddenly sank in Canadian

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Speaker 1: Michigan and Siue St. Marie, Ontario, a distance The Edmund

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Speaker 1: including lifeboats and rafts, none of the crew were found owned.

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Speaker 1: On her final voyage, Edmund Fitzgerald's crew of twenty nine

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Speaker 1: down there. There's still chunks of coal and it's so

430
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: dusty and so dirty, and this is an area that

431
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: they don't normally allowed tourists down into as part of

432
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: the tour. It's it's very congested, very dangerous, and we

433
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: heard what sounded like somebody moving at the time, and

434
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: that's where you hear me saying, hear that, and it

435
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 1: sounded like somebody coughing. One of the young ladies that

436
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: won the contest with us said, and you could hear that.

437
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: That was plain, very plain. That was that was audible

438
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: to the ear. And then as I'm saying, you know,

439
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: it sounded like somebody coughing or you hear that voice,

440
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: go over it and it says, I am coughing, very defendtively,

441
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: male voice, very gruff, I am coughing, as if somebody

442
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: that would have been working down in that room in

443
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: the conditions that they would have been under while the

444
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: valley camp was sailing. So it is difficult to investigate

445
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: on a boat of any kind or ship because there's

446
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: always this kind of background noise and you really have

447
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: to acquaint yourself with it if you're going to spend

448
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: any amount of time on there, and be familiar with

449
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: what those sounds are versus sounds that might be paranormal.

450
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: But I like about that is that it's clearly close

451
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: to the microphone and it's clearly not you because it

452
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,479
Speaker 1: has a different cadence, and b it doesn't sound like

453
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: it's even in the room with you per se, like

454
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: you all have kind of an echo. This is more

455
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: of like a very clear whisper. It's very strange, right,

456
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: we heard the cough. Just to clarify, we heard the cough,

457
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: but we did not hear that I am coughing. That

458
00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: didn't come up until we did review. So the cough, though,

459
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: was that caused by someone there who was living or

460
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: was that like a disembodied cough. Honestly, we think it

461
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: was disembodied. It was nobody in our group, and we

462
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: were far enough away from the other groups at the

463
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: time that I don't believe it was somebody else that

464
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: was there. Yeah, that's strange because that's again that's we

465
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: did hear a cough in one of our groups at

466
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: one point, just this kind of really groff cough. It

467
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: makes me wonder if there's maybe some bit of history

468
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: that we have not found yet, or maybe something happened

469
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: on board the Valley Camp that involved something in the

470
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: coal room, because that's a lot of activity like that,

471
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: especially in that Yeah, and you know that that's one

472
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: thing about the Valley Camp. Even in our research over

473
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: the years with it is, we've never found like this

474
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: dramatic incident that there was a large loss of life

475
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: on the ship. But keeping in mind it is now

476
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: a museum ship, and there are a ton of artifacts

477
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: on that ship now that we're from other shipwrecks and

478
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: loss of life. So there's this accumulated energy that's in

479
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: their now that comes from those items as well. So

480
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: whether whatever we caught there was actually from the Valley

481
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,479
Speaker 1: camp to begin with or as an attachment, we don't know.

482
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: But there's so many artifacts on that ship now, right,

483
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: And if you look at history of the Great Lakes

484
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: and and shipwrecks, a conservative estimate is at least six

485
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: thousand ships have gone down on the Great Lakes and

486
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: loss of life better than thirty thousand, And that's that's conservative.

487
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: If you go back prior to the mid eight hundreds,

488
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 1: they really weren't tracking this. Yeah, that's true. I had

489
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: no idea. That is wild to think about. And I mean,

490
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: we've seen hauntings that are just surrounding an object alone.

491
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think it's important for there to have

492
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,719
Speaker 1: been some sort of tragedy or loss of life in

493
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: a space just to make it haunted. And I think

494
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: that museums are kind of a perfect example of that.

495
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 1: Like I I investigated the Titanic exhibit a couple of times,

496
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: you know, the idea of being that those objects were haunted,

497
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: So I can see why this would be the same.

498
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: And I mean that being said, I think probably the

499
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: most notorious exhibit there is involving the Edmund Fitzgerald. Right,

500
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: how do you feel about that? Do you think there's

501
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: something coming from that as far as paranormal activity goes? Yeah,

502
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: n it's a great question. I mean, it's it's certainly

503
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: the most um solemn area of the ship as far

504
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: as I'm concerned. When you walked that area, you just

505
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: pay respect those twenty nine lives that were lost on

506
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: the Fitzgerald. And in that room then surrounded by the

507
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: names of all those that are lost, is this lifeboat

508
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: that is ripped right in half caused by the strength

509
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: and the fury of Lake Superior on that night it

510
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: ripped this lifeboat completely in half. That lifeboat eventually what

511
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: was left of it washed up on shore and became

512
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: part of the museum at the Valley Camp. So there

513
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: certainly is that thought that wonder of lives lost instantly.

514
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: I mean, one wave came in, crashed that ship. They

515
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: went under and never came back up again. So that

516
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: quick of loss in one area, who knows. I mean,

517
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: it certainly lends itself to that, right, Yeah, and quite

518
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: literally too, because these bodies were never recovered. So the

519
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: trans the radio transmissions from that night I was going

520
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: through and listening to them again, they you know, for

521
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: lack of a better word, they are haunting. It is

522
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: very hard to listen to because you can just kind

523
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: of hear the urgency and everyone's voice. It was just

524
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: it was such a tragedy, so and really puts into

525
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: perspective the dangers that these workers faced every day. Yeah,

526
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: but we ure on one investigation, and I know Tim

527
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: knows exactly what I'm talking about. Right away, we were

528
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: playing the final radio transmission between the Edmund Fitzgerald and

529
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: the Arthur M. Anderson, which was the ship that was

530
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: following it through the storm that night back in November,

531
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: and we were conducting an e v P session while

532
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: we were playing this in the background, thinking that it

533
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: might stir something up. This was in the room that

534
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: the Edmund Fitzgerald lifeboat is in and somebody came across

535
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: one of the two way radios and said, hey, you

536
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: guys have to get up here right now. And we

537
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: got a little bit agitated because we were right in

538
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: the middle of this session, and we said, well, we're

539
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: kind of bit no, you need to get up here

540
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: right now. So we're playing this final communication between the

541
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: Arthur Anderson and the Fitzgerald. Right before the last words

542
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: off the Fitzgerald, we're we're holding our own and after

543
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: that they disappeared from radar and we're never seen again.

544
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: So we get called up, so we run up the

545
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: flights of stairs. Well we don't really run anymore, but

546
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: we went our way up the flights of stairs and

547
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: get to the back of the ship and the rest

548
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: of the team is sitting there staring, and they're just

549
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: yards out in the St. Mary's River. The Arthur M

550
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: Anderson is passing. Wow. Not not supernatural, but the synchronicity

551
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: this is so bizarre. It wasn't lost anyone though. It

552
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: was a powerful moment, and everyone just stood there in silence,

553
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: almost in respect of the very ship that was in contact.

554
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: And then the coast guard asked them to turn around.

555
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: They were ahead of the Fitzgerald and the Coast Guard

556
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: asked the Anderson to turn around to go back into

557
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: the very storm that just sunk a ship to try

558
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: to find survivors, and they did reluctantly, but they did so.

559
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: The Arthur and Anderson is still one of those ships

560
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: that sails the Great Lakes today that every time you

561
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: see it come through the St. Mary's River by Sue St. Marie,

562
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: you just kind of stopped and watch. You're just kind

563
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: of in awe of it of what it saw and

564
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: witness that night. And that night it was so powerful

565
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: to see that ship. Wow. I don't think there are

566
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: any accidents when it comes to things like that, right, No,

567
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: the timing was so bizarre and we we just stood

568
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: there in reverence. Yeah, what other areas do you think

569
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: have activity or are there any other artifacts on board

570
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: that you think might be causing activity? You know, oddly

571
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: there's there's a theater that doesn't have any artifacts in it.

572
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: It's just a number of ships and they show a

573
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: film on the Fitzgerald on some of the shipwrecks of

574
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: the Lakes. And we were in there one night with

575
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,959
Speaker 1: the ghost Box trying to do a session. Absolutely nothing

576
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: was coming across and this was one of the old

577
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: school shock hacks, and it's just white noise coming at you.

578
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: And we finally got to the end of the session

579
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: and I said, well, I guess it's time to wrap

580
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: this up. We would like to thank you for allowing

581
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: us to be here and try to communicate with you tonight.

582
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: And that was the one communication we had come across

583
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: it after I said, that was your welcome very clearly

584
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: through the box. And that very same room one of

585
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: our first investigations on there. The door was closed and

586
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: there was a light on so you could see the

587
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: light coming through underneath part of the door, and a

588
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: couple of the members of the team actually saw what

589
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: seemed like a shadow kind of pacing back and forth

590
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: in the room in there, and of course upon investigating

591
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: and opening the door, there was no one in there too.

592
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: So we've had a couple of incidences in that theater

593
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: room as well, which is kind of as you walk

594
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: in the plank to enter into the ship. It's you

595
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: just walk up a little bit and it's around your

596
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: right if I down on the lower floor though, but

597
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: it's about midway through the ship, right. I actually remember

598
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: that space because you told me about that when I

599
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 1: was on there, and so I did do some e

600
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: VP work in there while I was investigating, and we

601
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: did get a very gruff male voice, and I wish

602
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: I had the recording. I don't, but we did get

603
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: a gruff male voice in there. And the nice thing

604
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: about that room is that you can just like close

605
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: yourself off from everything, so you don't have kind of

606
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: the echo that's some of the more open areas of

607
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: the ship and so completely silent. And we played it

608
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: back and there was this male voice, and I do

609
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: I think there was a woman there with her son,

610
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: and I think that they had enough at that point.

611
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 1: I think sometimes that people go into these investigations and

612
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: they think it's going to be spooky and fun, and

613
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: then something actually happens and they either get very excited

614
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: or sometimes they just suddenly find a reason to go

615
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 1: home early. Yeah, sitting in the comfort of your living

616
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: room watching the TV shows and seeing that happen. I

617
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: think it's a lot different for some people, and they

618
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: don't realize it until it happens to them, right exactly.

619
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm remembering because I did just go through the history,

620
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: but I feel like it's like five hundred feet long.

621
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: Is that sound about right? Or I think it's five range. Yeah,

622
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: and now it's been a museum ship at this point

623
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: for over fifty years, right, Yeah, it came to the

624
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: Sue in what is when it finally came here, then decommissioned.

625
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: I believe in sixty six sixty six they've logged over

626
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: three million miles. If you can just think of the

627
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: range that that ship has been through. Oh yeah, and

628
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: the and here's here's the interesting thing I find about

629
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: the Valley Camp because old maritime legend is once you

630
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: name a ship, you don't change the names, otherwise it

631
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: brings bad luck. But the Valley Camp was actually when

632
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: it first was built in nineteen seventeen, was the Lewis W.

633
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: Hill and did not change until nineteen when it was sold.

634
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: It actually went through a couple of different sales, but

635
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: stayed the Valley Camp through the last two sales. But yeah,

636
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: so the fact that they changed the name through its

637
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: career I've always found very interesting. Yeah. And now he

638
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: was like a railroad magnate or something, you know, he was.

639
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: He was a very famous railroad man, and so I

640
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: think he did he own it initially? I think he

641
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: might have owned it initially. Uh that I'm not sure.

642
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: That's Uh, I'd have to look into that one. You're

643
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: talking about Louis Hill, Yeah, because I was going through

644
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: because obviously when you're researching, like I was first looking

645
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: at for Valley Camp, and then I realized it had

646
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: a different name, which you're right, I had not really

647
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: seen before with a ship, and so then I had

648
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: to kind of restart and start researching when it was

649
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: called the Lewis W. Hill, which you know, posed a

650
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: whole new set of problems because then everything about that

651
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: man started coming exactly. Yeah, I mean they were the

652
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 1: ship itself was owned by an actual company, the American

653
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: ship building companies who built it um, So I don't know,

654
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: he maybe had something to do with the actual company

655
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: that owned the ship. It was part of a fleet,

656
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: so maybe he had something to do with it, right, right,

657
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: A lot of transportation companies were intertwined, get back into

658
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: lakes and the railways. I could see that. So you

659
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: had brought up earlier just kind of the general history

660
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: in that area. It is very rich, Like I know,

661
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,959
Speaker 1: having investigated Mackinaw Island a number of times, and things

662
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: that like the indigenous people, the Native Americans that were

663
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: there originally. There's so much to that. Do you think

664
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: that that is affecting the hauntings on the Valley Camp

665
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,439
Speaker 1: at all? I think it could just for the same

666
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: simple reason we've investigated to adjacent properties to that that

667
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: have both turned out to have activity in them, and

668
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: just down the road, and and where it's located right

669
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: on the St. Mary's River next door to it as

670
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: a huge hydro electric plant, there's so much energy in

671
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: the area in running water through the same areas river

672
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: we have right next to it as well are the

673
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: historical homes which were moved from different parts of the

674
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: of the city back in the day. So there's kind

675
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: of like this perfect storm, if you will, to allow

676
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: uh energy to be created right where the Valley Camp is.

677
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: You've got this huge metal ship right on running water,

678
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: right next to a huge hydro electric plant, next to

679
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: more historical homes. So you just kind of mix it

680
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: all up and and and you get this kind of

681
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: perfect storm for energy to survive. Yeah. Well, I mean

682
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: I think that regardless of its paranormal happenings, it's a

683
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: very interesting place to visit. That whole downtown area is

684
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: very it's very fun, it's very cute. Not in January

685
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: or February. The first time we investigated Mackinaw Island, it

686
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: was January or February, and that was It's one of

687
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: those times that I look back and I think back

688
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: on it fondly and I'm glad we did it. But

689
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: we were on that island for two weeks, and when

690
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: I was there, I really was not into it. But

691
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: here's a funny story about that. And I don't know

692
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: if we've ever shared this with you, Amy over a

693
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 1: beer and a glass of wine. But so, our group,

694
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: the Upper Peninsula Paranormal Research Society, we had been working

695
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: with Mission Point Resort, which is the main area you

696
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: guys investigated for that episode, and we had been talking

697
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: to Mission Point. We're getting ready to come over to

698
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: do an investigation. And we were maybe a week or

699
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: so out and we get a phone call and like, yeah,

700
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: we just want to let you guys know, have you

701
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,959
Speaker 1: ever heard of a TV show called ghost Hunters. We're

702
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 1: like yeah, Like, we're gonna put you guys on hold

703
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: for a bit. We got them coming into film. We're like, gosh,

704
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: darn it again again. Yes, So they put us off

705
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: for that moment. You guys came over in the winter,

706
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: and then in that spring, as soon as the Straits

707
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: and MCNA opened up, we took the first ferry and

708
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: they gave us a resort for the weekend. Yeah, it

709
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: was an amazing, amazing experience. Yeah, that place. We're going

710
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 1: to have to do a whole other episode on MCINA

711
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: alone because it's a fascinating place. There's a lot going

712
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: on in the u P. I can see why you

713
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: guys have like a full on paranormal team going on there.

714
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: I can see why you have that amazing convention going

715
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: on there. There's you know, haunts wise, there is no shortage.

716
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: You would never know that. And then also there's all

717
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: kinds of like UFO things going on up there too.

718
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of weirdness where you guys are.

719
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: There really is, and I think that's why Brad and

720
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: I love us. So. Yeah, a lot ofpted sightings, a

721
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: lot of upology see monster right. Yeah, I mean it's

722
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: just we've got a little bit of everything up here.

723
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: And maybe it's the winter that makes us that weird,

724
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: But I mean I enjoy it, and the people are

725
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: always wonderful. Let's talk real quick about the convention, just

726
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: because I want people to know we are investigating the

727
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: Valley Camp during the Michigan Para con This year's of

728
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: the second time we've done it. Adam Burry and I

729
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: will be doing a private investigation there with people who

730
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: want to join. So just tell them about just the

731
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: convention and how they can find you guys. Yeah, it's

732
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: August two. This will be our twelfth annual. Should have

733
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: been the thirteenth, but COVID bumped us a year. Yeah,

734
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: and all of the info we're still updating. We're still

735
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: getting new speakers in new workshops, new galleries. You can

736
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: find it all at m I paracon dot com and

737
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: m I as in Michigan, So m I paracon dot com.

738
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: It's wonderful. I mean, I think I've been for the

739
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: last ten years. I think there was one year I

740
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: couldn't make it. I even was there, hugely pregnant one year. Yes,

741
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: yes you were, Yes you were. You had to be

742
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: escorted around to make sure maybe that she didn't decide

743
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: to come then. And yeah you remember that that that

744
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: was dedication, Yeah, it was, it was that was my

745
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: I was my last event before I tucked myself away

746
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: and waited for that child, who ended up being like

747
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: two weeks late. You know, she's so but now she's nine,

748
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: which is so crazy. So I think, actually, I'm going

749
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: to bring her with me this year and we're gonna

750
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 1: try to make I think we're gonna make a little

751
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: vacation out of the whole thing and do Macanon. That

752
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: would be fantastic. We would love to have her there.

753
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: We we you know you you share so much of

754
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 1: her on social media, so we feel like we've watched

755
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: her grow up as well, and it would be great

756
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: to have her there and she can we can remind

757
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 1: her that she was here at one time in mama's belly,

758
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: and but now she gets to experience it. Amy. I

759
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: just want to take a quick second to thank you.

760
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: Though in the intro you would mentioned that you know,

761
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: m I Para Con is one of the most respected

762
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: out there. That means a lot to us. We've worked

763
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: hard over the years to make it that way. We

764
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,479
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of things that have done wrong

765
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: in the field with stuff like that, but thank you

766
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: for those words because that means a lot to us. Yeah. Absolutely,

767
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: I love all the work you guys are doing with

768
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: the team with the book with the Para coron, Like

769
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: you guys are always up to something, so yeah, I

770
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: know seriously, and I know what kind of trouble you

771
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: guys can get into. So well. Thank you so much

772
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: for taking the time and I super appreciate it, and

773
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: I will be seeing you guys soon this summer, Yes

774
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: you will, so as an honor, Amy, thank you for

775
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: having us, of course, anytime. Before we go, I did

776
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: want to point out that in n Gordon, Lightfoot composed

777
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: and recorded the song The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald,

778
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: which obviously was done to commemorate what happened with that ship.

779
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: Now that I know so much more about it, it

780
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: is a particularly haunting tune, so if you have some time,

781
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: give it a listen. I know, so far on Haunted

782
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: Road we've tended toward more well known haunts than say

783
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: the Valley Camp, but it's nice to take a stroll

784
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: off the beaten path every once in a while and

785
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: discover something new. Plus we get to learn a lot

786
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: of history. Not to mention the Valley Camp poses all

787
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: sorts of questions and theories about what causes a haunting.

788
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: Certainly high strangeness and history, so round It and the

789
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: Edmund Fitzgerald Lifeboats may have everything to do with what's

790
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: going on there or nothing to do with it, but

791
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: I find that sometimes putting places like these into the

792
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: public eye often brings forth some answers. So regardless, a

793
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 1: trip to the Sioux should be high on your list

794
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: of destinations in the US, just maybe not in February,

795
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: as I learned, unless you're extra adventurous. So maybe I'll

796
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: see you all there this summer though, until next time,

797
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm Amy Bruney and this was Haunted Road. If you

798
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: want to join us on a spooky vacation, please check

799
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Speaker 1: out my company, Strange Escapes at Strange dash Escapes dot com. Also,

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00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: Sue St Marie dot com, the book Uber Natural Haunts

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Speaker 1: by Tim Ellis, Fred Blair and Steve Laplant, and the

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Speaker 1: Chippewa County Historical Society of Michigan for making great resources

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