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Speaker 1: Welcome to Brief Recess. Today, we're going to be talking

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Speaker 1: about some very serious themes on the show of suicide,

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Speaker 1: sexual violence, violence, So please listen with care, and we

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Speaker 1: are going to list resources here on the screen for

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Speaker 1: you to seek out if you feel like you need

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Speaker 1: those resources.

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Speaker 2: Take care of yourself.

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Speaker 1: Guys, welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foot, I'm Melissa Albrand.

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Speaker 1: And then we're going to be talking about soup, transracialism.

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Speaker 1: I set the airport Secret Lives of Mormon Wives that time.

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Speaker 1: I was crying on the floor Melissa's office. We have

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Speaker 1: a wild interview with doctor Leslie Dobson talking about Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: Epstein conspiracies. And I'm going to answer all your questions

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Speaker 1: from the DM, so stick around. I was in Jupiter.

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Speaker 1: I don't and so I'm texting Charmaine and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: where did you get this edible from? She gave it

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Speaker 1: to me, Where did she get it from? We don't

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Speaker 1: know where it came from. We can't figure out where

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Speaker 1: the edible came from that I took. We don't know

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Speaker 1: the provenance, you.

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Speaker 2: Don't know the origin story. No, and now took it?

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Speaker 1: Are things that bad? Where I'm just eating drugs that

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Speaker 1: I thought.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I just buy it in her bag

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Speaker 2: had lints on it.

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Speaker 1: So she did find it in her bag and she

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Speaker 1: came to me, but it was in a little dime bag. No,

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Speaker 1: there was no lint on it, but it was in

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Speaker 1: a little dime bag. And so she gave it to me.

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Speaker 1: But it was like a year ago, so it's just

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Speaker 1: been in the cabinet, in the cupboard, and I'm like.

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Speaker 3: This is like the equivalent of when you were, like,

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Speaker 3: you know, when you were a kid and your grandma

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Speaker 3: had like a candy in her purse.

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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, And like literally was I think I was

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Speaker 1: in a toy Star with Charmaine. We were shopping, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and she was like, oh, do you want the edible?

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Speaker 1: My friend gave it to me or something, and so

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Speaker 1: but I was I was truly seeing sounds. I'm hearing colors.

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Speaker 2: I don't like that.

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Speaker 1: And I texted her, I was like, where did you

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Speaker 1: get this?

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Speaker 2: Because you want another one?

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Speaker 1: She was like, let me text my friend and find out.

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Speaker 1: And then he couldn't remember. So now we've got a

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Speaker 1: whole chain going around looking up for the origin story. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: how is your weekend, gorgeous, look at you? A vision?

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Speaker 1: A vision.

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Speaker 2: There was something I wanted to say to you, and

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Speaker 2: I can't remember what it is.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, Okay, was it a slur?

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Speaker 2: Maybe?

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Speaker 1: As usual as usual? Actually this weekend someone yelled at me,

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Speaker 1: did you have a coming? I was going to d C.

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Speaker 1: So I was headed to d C.

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Speaker 2: Why are we going to d C?

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Speaker 1: Amtrack? I spoke at an event, okay, and so I

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Speaker 1: had to take miss amtrack okay. And since the airports

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Speaker 1: are cocked, truly a hot mess in America right now. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Amtrak has really taken a brunting as well.

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Speaker 3: I mean an Amtrak already. The infrastructure is not terrific, right.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it's hanging on by a thread. You're

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Speaker 1: it's about, I want to say, a throng of two

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Speaker 1: because everyone waits for the track, and it's all New

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Speaker 1: York DC types. So people are just like standing there

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Speaker 1: on their phones, very bored, waiting waiting for the track

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Speaker 1: to be announced. I hear someone yell hey, everyone stops

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Speaker 1: and turns because there's nothing else going on in the

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Speaker 2: Eyes eyes, and he goes because, yeah.

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Speaker 1: My wife loves your videos. So now everyone on the

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Speaker 1: platform turns looks right at me.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he's got an only fan.

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Speaker 1: Who is this guy?

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Speaker 2: I'm this guy?

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Speaker 1: I'm No one else knows who I am except this

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Speaker 1: one man who he doesn't even know who I am?

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Speaker 2: So how did he notice shout you out?

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Speaker 1: He must have seen something, but he was like my wife,

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Speaker 1: not even me.

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Speaker 3: I could give a shit about you, but my fucking

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Speaker 3: wife never shuts up about you.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's stereop. I'm red, I'm in like jeans, T shirt,

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Speaker 1: not in the Michael foot drag. I'm not in a suit.

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Speaker 1: I don't actually look like what do you mean like

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Speaker 3: Wait, do you mean to tell me that you fancy

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Speaker 3: yourself to be this unrecognizable pird?

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Speaker 1: No one would ever catch it, no one would ever

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Speaker 3: Totally random thing about being recognizable. I remember so before

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Speaker 3: I had weight loss surgerios, I was looking at a

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Speaker 3: picture and had showed it to a friend of mine

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Speaker 3: who didn't know me before, and she was like, you

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Speaker 3: don't even look like yourself. And I reject that so much,

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Speaker 3: like this idea that I am a completely different.

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Speaker 1: Person you look not that, not that you don't. It

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Speaker 2: But not like who's that person?

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Speaker 1: Honestly. The thing that's like more alarming when I see

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Speaker 1: those photos your hair is it's like different. Yes, it's colored,

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Speaker 1: it's straightened, or it's treated. It's treated, it's treated. I

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Speaker 1: don't know that I'm a bald ass bitch. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what the term. And so I'm sorry, I'm all

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Speaker 1: blow it out, Yeah, blow it out. Okay, wait, so

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. This is not about me.

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Speaker 3: So do you really do you think that people think

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Speaker 3: that you look very different in person than I just not.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't so when if I'm at the courthouse and

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Speaker 1: the juries are getting out, multiple people, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I love your videos, Michael. Yeah, people recognize me there

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Speaker 1: because I'm like in the context where if someone sees

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Speaker 1: my video then I'm like within the context, okay, but

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Speaker 1: here I really was like I think I was like

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Speaker 1: kind of hung over from that out of bawle. I'm

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Speaker 1: in my gym and like jeans and t like I'm waiting.

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Speaker 1: I'm on an Amtrak platform. I don't know. For some reason,

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Speaker 1: I just didn't think I wasn't ready for it. So

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Speaker 1: then he says, can I take your photo? I said sure,

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Speaker 1: so I go. I go to lean in for a

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Speaker 1: there with.

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Speaker 4: My dogs so close you're leaning.

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Speaker 5: In likes like, hey high.

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Speaker 1: But I think I really made I hopefully made her day.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you are You are the spouse of the man

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Speaker 3: I saw Michael on the Amtrak platform.

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Speaker 2: Could you please reach out to him?

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Speaker 1: She was, he was. Everyone was very nice in the situation.

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Speaker 1: I'm so alarming.

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Speaker 2: No no, no, no, but but reach out to him. It'll

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Speaker 2: make him feel better.

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Speaker 1: Everyone on the Amtrak was like staring the whole time.

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Speaker 2: Well, they want to know what kind of videos that

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Speaker 2: you're making? Yeah, did you see that?

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Speaker 3: I just just saw this that the CEO of Only

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Speaker 3: Fans bought it?

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Speaker 2: What he died? He bought it?

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Speaker 3: Oh he died? He Okay, he's no longer with us.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what happened, like.

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Speaker 1: An autoerotic asphyxiation, thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Let's google it and find Yeah, let's go.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get c J.

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Speaker 6: C J.

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Speaker 1: If you could just search only fans on your work

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Speaker 2: We promised nothing will happen.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you my credit card. Just what comes up,

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Speaker 1: We'll give you Karen Kilgriff's credit card, and you let

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Speaker 1: us know. One comes up, and we're free.

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Speaker 2: Curious, We're just curious, curious.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I used to have an esthetician who had an OnlyFans page.

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Speaker 1: Really was it like poor, like like zip popping?

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Speaker 2: Oh no, she was.

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Speaker 3: She was my waxing and stuff. Oh her only No, sorry.

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Speaker 1: I thought that she was putting on for waxing people.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, it was her. She had said

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Speaker 3: to me, She's like, guess what, I have an only

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Speaker 2: I was like, you do? And I was so deeply curious. No, no, no,

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Speaker 3: It wasn't it was but I never signed up for it,

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Speaker 2: But I felt like.

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Speaker 3: If I would be, it would be like a breach

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Speaker 3: I feel And I asked, I'm like, what do you

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Speaker 3: to me, but she couldn't believe were the things that,

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Speaker 3: in her case, it was men paying her to do whatever,

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Speaker 3: that the things that men would pay for. Somebody gave

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Speaker 3: her bra and underwear eating soup. And I was like,

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Speaker 2: And she was like, that's it.

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Speaker 1: Oh honey, I'm doing that for free? What I'm doing

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Speaker 1: that on live right?

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: I gotta start ticketing these events. This is unbelievable to.

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Speaker 2: Eat soup underwear on her bed.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite super I love soup.

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Speaker 2: I could eat soup everything.

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Speaker 1: I could eat soup. Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Right now, my favorite soup is wipe being and es girl.

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Speaker 2: I love it. Beautiful, so good.

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Speaker 1: And any of those greens, they're all in season right now.

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Speaker 1: It's like late winter. This is the best time to

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Speaker 1: be doing all under soup.

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Speaker 2: So it's a problem.

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Speaker 1: Really he is.

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Speaker 3: He's a particular eater. He likes what he likes, okay,

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Speaker 3: and he doesn't love soup. He does like, bisk make

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Speaker 3: me a lobster bisk okay, big yeah, yeah, yeah, My

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Speaker 3: bougie ass.

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Speaker 1: Man bride can make. Bride can make corn chowder, and

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Speaker 1: his grandfather taught him how to make it.

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Speaker 2: I love corn chowder. It's really it's so good.

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Speaker 1: It's very good.

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Speaker 2: The problem for me, there's a lot of dairy.

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Speaker 1: I don't need three gallons of corn chowder and a

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Speaker 1: household of two people. Nope, because now I'm eating corn

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Speaker 1: chowder for two weeks straight.

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Speaker 2: No, and now you hate it?

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Speaker 1: And that is so can we make a ration, like,

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Speaker 1: let's ration the corn chowder?

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Speaker 2: Why did you just have the recipe?

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Speaker 1: I'm not it. I can't. I can't give input in

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Speaker 1: the kitchen if he's cooking, okay, I don't have standing

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Speaker 1: to litigate. Why not in that courtroom? We we have

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Speaker 1: a division of powers in the house like it is

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Speaker 1: by Cameralism. There is the house, there is, and never

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Speaker 1: the twain shall meet. I can't be given him because

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Speaker 1: then he'll be in here trying to tell me how

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Speaker 1: to slice a shallotte, and that is I'm holding I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm a stay at homest.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think are not things that I'm interested in.

441
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,440
Speaker 3: But again, if you're on social media, it came across

442
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,479
Speaker 3: and I did. When I saw her throw in the stool,

443
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,159
Speaker 3: I went back to look at this little thing, like,

444
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Speaker 3: what is happening here?

445
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 2: You know what I wonder?

446
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 3: I I wonder because think about this is a huge franchise.

447
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 3: It makes a ton of money, yes, and I wonder

448
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 3: who's going to lose their job over this?

449
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 2: Because the person was not vetted.

450
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 1: We found out it was Taylor Frankie Green because they

451
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:39,120
Speaker 1: canceled The.

452
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Speaker 2: Bachelor, Right, but do you know what I'm saying?

453
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 3: Like they you know, like I always wonder about that,

454
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 3: like what what is the vetting process?

455
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Speaker 2: What are the questions that are asked or not asked?

456
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Speaker 1: No one is Yeah, yeah, well because no one's more

457
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 1: dangerous than a white woman on reality TV, Like that

458
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 1: is going to be the most treacherous person you're.

459
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,679
Speaker 2: Going to meet, unless it's a white woman at your

460
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 2: job who's crying. Go ahead.

461
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 1: That it's really real, you feel do you You seemed

462
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Speaker 1: like you had more to say on that something. No,

463
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Speaker 1: that's all white women. I kyk, You've told me a

464
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: bit about these situations. Yeah, white women cry at work

465
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 1: and say that black women were being mean to them, or.

466
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Speaker 3: They just cry like there's nothing like I mean, I've

467
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 3: had people crying my well, yeah, I've had people crying

468
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 3: my office. But they're crying in my office. But it

469
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 3: was me, Yeah, it was Michael. Michael was crying in

470
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Speaker 3: my office because he put what did you do?

471
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Speaker 1: I got a migraine? I had a really bad migraine.

472
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Speaker 2: But what did you do?

473
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Speaker 1: So we went to Alyssa, that's what right, And she

474
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Speaker 1: I was like, Alyssa, what do I take for migraines?

475
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: Because she's a migraine girl all the time. And she

476
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,239
Speaker 1: was like oh, and she opens up her purse and

477
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Speaker 1: she gave my four no four like Bob have now

478
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 1: polished tumble out along with like a couple of things

479
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 1: of like CBD right of like topical. And she's like,

480
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: so you put them here, here, here and here they

481
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: were highly mentilated.

482
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Speaker 3: Yes, it was peppermint oral or something, and Michael somehow

483
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 3: gets into his arm.

484
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 2: I put it on and then I rubbed my eyes.

485
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Speaker 4: And now he's crying in my office on the floor.

486
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 4: I'm looking at ling on the floor and I'm like,

487
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 4: what Michael says, help me? So this is what I did.

488
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 4: This is what I did, and I'm gonna sell you

489
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Speaker 4: how I knew what to do.

490
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Speaker 3: But I I bring over my garbage pails and I

491
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Speaker 3: open a bottle of water.

492
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 2: And now I'm waterboarding and I.

493
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Speaker 1: Look at this is I couldn't see much because I

494
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Speaker 1: had a migrant and now I have oil in my eyes.

495
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 2: Now he's blind.

496
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: I do have a visual if Melissa looking at me

497
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 1: and I do feel like, at one point year old,

498
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: your eyes like I'm going to have to douche this

499
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 1: man's eyeball, Like I can't believe I'm doing.

500
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Speaker 3: This at work, But you have to ask me, Melissa, Melissa,

501
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 3: how do you know how to?

502
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 2: And everybody and my family knows this story.

503
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 3: When my brother was about five years old, my brother

504
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 3: crazy glued his eye shut.

505
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,239
Speaker 1: No, this's a plot point on season two of The Pit.

506
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 1: This happened did episode one.

507
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, my brother crazy glued his eye shut and my

508
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 3: mother my father was at work and my mother at

509
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 3: the time was in graduate school and she was doing

510
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 3: like her last thing and my and my brother comes

511
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 3: out and he's crying with one eye shut like this

512
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 3: bigger and then my mom looked at him and looked

513
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 3: at me, and she said to me, Melissa, fix you on.

514
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 3: So I had to take my brother. So my brother

515
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 3: was like five, so I must have been like sixteen

516
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 3: years old. Tay my brother into the bathroom, and I

517
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 3: probably scalded the shit out of him because now I've

518
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 3: got his eye under hot water and I'm putting vaciline

519
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 3: on it, and I took a paper clip.

520
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: To like pick off, but you know what, he's fine,

521
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 2: can see again? He could see again.

522
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: That's like full treo, is this is actually? Nurse Jackie like,

523
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: this is.

524
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Speaker 3: I remember I remember once just talking to a therapist,

525
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 3: but I wasn't talking about this because I was fine, right,

526
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 3: But he was like, Melissa, that sounds very traumatizing, and

527
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, is it?

528
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 1: This is like, this is like your jury story from

529
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: last week. You were underreacting to life babe and your

530
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: jury story last week. You were like, yeah, so yeah, anyway,

531
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Speaker 1: the mob stuffed this guy in a trunk and dragged

532
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Speaker 1: him across.

533
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: It was this random yeah who stuck this poor man

534
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Speaker 3: and in the trunk of his car and.

535
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Speaker 2: Drove him across.

536
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Speaker 1: Was he okay?

537
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 3: What happened the man? Yeah, yeah, he's okay. He was okay,

538
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 3: but that eye off, he didn't come out.

539
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. What was what it was? For me?

540
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 3: What was boring was the process, right. It was lengthy,

541
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 3: and nobody was like, I object. It was none of that.

542
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: It was just like, oh, they were like and what

543
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: was he wearing? Any stuffed do in the trunk of

544
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: the car, And you were like, God, this is get

545
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: me the fuck out.

546
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: You're boring.

547
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: No, I know. Okay.

548
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 3: Anyway, that's how I knew how to save Michael's eyes.

549
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 3: So if you have an eye problem, I'm your girl.

550
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: Chief of Optalmology a brief Recess at iHeart Studios, Melissa Malbranches.

551
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: Anyway, Oh good, all.

552
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,959
Speaker 1: Right, we'll be right back. Let's take a break. I

553
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: do now my eye itches. As you say, a welcome

554
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: back to Brief resays, this is under oath. We're going

555
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 1: to do a deep dive. We've got an incredible guest

556
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Speaker 1: on today's show. We have doctor Leslie Dobson. She's a

557
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: forensic clinical psychologist. She's worked with individuals and maximum security

558
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: suffering from severe mental illnesses. She does forensic evaluations, assesses

559
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: sexual abuse allegations, and focuses on the validity of post

560
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: injury emotional, cognitive, and behavioral functioning. Thank you for joining us,

561
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: doctor Dobson. I thought it would be great to have

562
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Speaker 1: you on the show today to talk a bit about

563
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: the Epstein files and what we've sort of seen happening

564
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: with the case in America. I know that you have

565
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: done a few of these interviews sort of talking about

566
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: is Epstein alive, what's happening with this autopsy? I would

567
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Speaker 1: love to just sort of get into it with you.

568
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: Melissa and I talk about this a lot, so this

569
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Speaker 1: is really an area of interest, especially as everyone is

570
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: learning more and more about these files as we sort

571
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Speaker 1: of dig into the actual documents.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean my opinion would be now, I think

573
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Speaker 6: I would even testify to this that I opine to

574
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Speaker 6: the fact that he is still alive.

575
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I think what's so interesting, right, There

576
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Speaker 1: are a lot of people on the internet who are

577
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Speaker 1: saying that, but I think you're one of the few

578
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Speaker 1: people who is drawing upon what I know from cross

579
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: examining and examining doctors and forensic texts in court. You're

580
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: really relying heavily upon your expertise in your area of practice.

581
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: So I thought it would be cool if we could

582
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: sort of go through it a bit today and talk

583
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Speaker 1: about whether or not this report from his hanging ruled suicide,

584
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: what brings true to you where you see the holes

585
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: and errors in this case, I can.

586
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Speaker 6: Draw upon a little bit of his attempted suicide a

587
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 6: few months prior as well.

588
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into it.

589
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Speaker 6: We have to like take apart the trees, but we

590
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 6: have to see the forest for the trees at the

591
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 6: same time. And I think holding that duality is difficult

592
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 6: for people, and that's why there's so much controversy around

593
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 6: all this.

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Speaker 1: And that's oftentimes what we're doing in court, right in

595
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: a criminal trial, Yes, we get the expert in on

596
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: the really specific details. We're looking at the images, we're

597
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: looking at the autopsy report, but we also have to

598
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: look at the person. We have to look at the

599
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: corpus of the evidence, we have to look at the circumstances.

600
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: We can't just look at one specific detail, right, So

601
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: why don't we get started. Let's do this full trial style.

602
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: Let's credential you as an expert. Tell us about who

603
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: you are and your profession. Let's get right into it.

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00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 6: Oh okay, a little wa dere here. Yes, doctor Leslie

605
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Speaker 6: Dobson a real license psychologist, even though people on the

606
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 6: internet don't believe it.

607
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: No, I have a bable believe I'm a lawyer either, So.

608
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Speaker 2: It's fine, God forbid.

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Speaker 6: We have personalities into our jobs. I got a bachelor's

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Speaker 6: degree in psychology. I have two master's degrees, one arguably

611
00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 6: regrettable in Freudian dream interpretation psycho analysis. But I got

612
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,719
Speaker 6: to travel a lot to do it. Yeah, and then

613
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Speaker 6: I have a doctorate in forensic psychology and a fellowship

614
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Speaker 6: in high risk sexual offenders.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you really are the expert in this space, then,

616
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is really someone who has studied and

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Speaker 1: is credentialed as an expert in this field.

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Speaker 6: Definitely. I've testified in over fifty trials. I've been deposed

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Speaker 6: well over sixty times at this point, and I both

620
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 6: criminally and civilly. But I worked for the government for

621
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Speaker 6: a long time, which gave me access to the nasty

622
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Speaker 6: fuckers of this world. And then when there was a

623
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Speaker 6: hit on my life, I decided to go into civil

624
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Speaker 6: litigation and get out.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, good for you. Yeah, to stay safe. It's

626
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: really hard to be a badass expert and also not

627
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Speaker 1: be alive.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, I can't carry my gun in there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. So looking at the Epstein files, looking at

630
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Speaker 1: the death of Epstein, the official ruling was suicide by hanging.

631
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Speaker 1: What is your first response to hearing.

632
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Speaker 6: That it doesn't make sense. The bone breaking does not

633
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 6: line up with typical hangings by suicide. The way that

634
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 6: it looked on his neck, how it was angled, is

635
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 6: not how it should have been. It should have been

636
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 6: angled upward, looking at the grid where he allegedly had

637
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 6: hung himself. I've responded to hangings, and in state hospital systems,

638
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 6: you don't take the person down. You do not immediately

639
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 6: try to save them because they may be trying to

640
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 6: kill you. It could be a trick. So you always

641
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 6: wait for a second person to arrive and before you

642
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 6: save their life. It's really fucked up, I know. But

643
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 6: your safety is more important than theirs.

644
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: Interesting, and so that's protocol.

645
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 6: Oh, it's protocol. You do not singularly break up a fight.

646
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 6: You do not singularly do anything that has potential risks

647
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 6: violence to you.

648
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: And you would say that that's kind of like an

649
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: industry standard that everyone is on the same page about that.

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00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 6: Yes, I mean that's the Department of State Hospital Training.

651
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Speaker 1: Okay, wow, Okay, that's incredible.

652
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: And so that's really interesting.

653
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Speaker 3: Actually, So if you are an employee at a prison

654
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Speaker 3: or something and you walk into a cell and you

655
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: see the person, as far as you can tell, the

656
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: person is still alive because there's movement, you are not

657
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Speaker 3: permitted to cut that person down. You have to wait

658
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Speaker 3: for your partner to come. So by the time that

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Speaker 3: person comes.

660
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: Right, that that person might actually be.

661
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 6: Dead, right, And you know if I break the glass

662
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 6: and I get the cut scissors and I pull my

663
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 6: alarm and the alarms are going off, and I go

664
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 6: in and cut him down. What if he wraps his

665
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 6: legs around my neck and breaks my neck? There's violence

666
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 6: every single day.

667
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, I could. That's right, it could be a trick. Wow,

668
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: that's amazing. I didn't really think of that.

669
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 6: But sad we have to live in the defensive way,

670
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 6: but they brutalize us as employees in the state hospital

671
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 6: system every single day.

672
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: Wow. Right, So in the SEO, what happened. The guard

673
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: did cut him down. The guard took him down.

674
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 6: Right, and it was high enough up that you would

675
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 6: have seen a line, right, it would have had an

676
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 6: upward trajectory. When you self asphyxiate, you're going to be

677
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 6: forward facing, and that's how it was described. And then

678
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 6: the rope would be up behind him or the teared

679
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 6: torn towel. Now, the first time he tried it, it

680
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 6: wasn't successful. I haven't seen pictures of the first time,

681
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 6: but it was a similar description. And then the second

682
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 6: time somebody would have come in, there would have been

683
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 6: two people coming in. Oddly, the cameras glitched the first

684
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 6: suicide attempt and the second. That's so strange, right, and

685
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 6: so you would cut the rope and then you would

686
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 6: immediately start CPR.

687
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: So what happened in this situation? Then with Jeffrey Epstein?

688
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: Did they do follow any of those protocols?

689
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 6: From what I read, they cut him down and he

690
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 6: had already died. I don't know if they I hadn't

691
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 6: read anything about CP And there was no alteration to

692
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 6: his rib cage or his muscles where you would, you know,

693
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 6: you could usually break some ribs, you mess stuff up,

694
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 6: you'd have some significant bruising with real CPR.

695
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: And before he allegedly committed suicide, there were issues with

696
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: his body that were not present in the autopsy report.

697
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, he had small testes.

698
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 2: I'm kidding.

699
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 6: The fake body had small testes.

700
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: Okay, So Michael, control yourself, she said, the fake body, right, So,

701
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: but do.

702
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 3: You think that because I'll tell you. When I had

703
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 3: heard that Epstein had died, had died by suicide, my

704
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 3: first inclination was he didn't die by suicide.

705
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:49,959
Speaker 2: Somebody killed him.

706
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 3: That is that is that was as opposed to me

707
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 3: believing that he wasn't dead, that the whole thing was

708
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 3: a hoax. I was like, he didn't kill himself, somebody

709
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: killed him. So but you're telling us that your belief

710
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 3: is that he is not dead at all.

711
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 6: Yes, and not only from ripping apart the autopsy. Talking

712
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 6: to morticians, you know the yah one of the doctors

713
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 6: who's been doing this for fifty years and said, how

714
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 6: bizarre this is. Okay, that could lend to murder. Sure,

715
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 6: but now we're looking at this massive Epstein network and

716
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 6: international network, pulling in the KGB and Israel and Norwegian assets.

717
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 6: You don't think this guy had the power to know

718
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 6: he was going to go to jail and then get out.

719
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 6: I mean, the prison guard got five grand before they

720
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 6: even knew he was going there. His estate won the

721
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 6: eighty million dollars Powerball a week after he went into prison.

722
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 6: It's there's just too much information to say that he

723
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 6: didn't have his wherewithal did just get out of prison.

724
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: Melissa and I are looking at each other like this

725
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: is believable. Yeah.

726
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 3: You know I was saying this to Michael earlier. You know,

727
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: I listened to an interview that you gave recently. And

728
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 3: I think the thing about it is that we don't

729
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 3: want to believe that any of this is true.

730
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying, In the sense of, like,

731
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 2: you know, listening.

732
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: To this idea that Ebstein and his cronies they were

733
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 3: cannibalizing people, right, it's one of those things that you

734
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 3: want to believe is so far fetched that it couldn't

735
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: possibly be true. Same thing with this idea that you know,

736
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 3: he was so powerful that he knew all the right

737
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 3: people in all the right places to like smuggle him

738
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 3: out somehow, it sounds like something that is made up.

739
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 3: It sounds like something that you've seen on the big screen, right,

740
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 3: because we've seen movies where somebody's going to do like

741
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 3: a prison break and they fake their death, they cart

742
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 3: the body out in the coffin of someone else. You know,

743
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 3: we've seen those stories before. But this idea that this

744
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 3: is something similar ish happened here, it feels so unbelievable

745
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: that you want to believe that.

746
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 2: It's not true. Does that makes sense?

747
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

748
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 6: Well I do, And I think it's you know, it's

749
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 6: hyper normalization. I think the dump of the data was

750
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 6: purposeful and the amounts were purposeful. There are images that

751
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 6: have been taken offline that were there. So I think

752
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 6: they wanted to quickly shut everyone up and then bomb

753
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 6: Iran and hope it went away. And you know, I

754
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 6: do believe that we distract in politics, and it's true.

755
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: It's too convenient, right, I mean, every time we hear

756
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: about a dumper about images or a really damning email,

757
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: suddenly it's taken down off of the website and then.

758
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: There's some other calamity elsewhere that happens to sort of

759
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 3: you know, they're like they're trying to bait and switch us, right, like, oh,

760
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 3: look at this other shiny thing.

761
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: Yes, don't focus on this thing, right, It.

762
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 1: Makes too much sense often, right, And I think that

763
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: I know that recently they there have been some subpoenas

764
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: that have gone out for people to testify for guards

765
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: that were there the night of this alleged suicide. Can

766
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: you speak to that a little bit?

767
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 6: Correc so that the House Oversight Committee has subpoenaed at

768
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 6: least one of the guards who was there that night,

769
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 6: and in particular, she has received payments from the Epstein

770
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 6: estate in amounts of five thousand dollars.

771
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: That is not that much money done, like that is

772
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: not enough to cover up that.

773
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: It feels like that's not enough money for this person

774
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 3: to risk all of this, Right, five.

775
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: Thousand dollars you're dealing with really dangerous and you'll get

776
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars right, Like, it just feels right.

777
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 6: So then what was the money for? How many? How

778
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 6: many times did she get it?

779
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 2: Right?

780
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 6: Are there multiple accounts? Do we know she's a good

781
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 6: person to question?

782
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: I five thousand dollars is usually at the amount that

783
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: doesn't flag too much attention in bank statements. Oftentimes in

784
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: cases I've dealt with, it's usually you want to like

785
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: people are keeping transfers on the smaller side because it

786
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: doesn't trigger any sort of IRS scrutiny.

787
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: I thought it was under ten thousand, yeah, like nine thousand, yeah,

788
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 2: on the lower scale, right, I.

789
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 6: Mean ten thousand is the limit to go to Mexico.

790
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: But now you're telling us how to do it, not

791
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: the how to guide.

792
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 3: So do we believe as far as this particular prison

793
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 3: guard that it was only a one time five thousand

794
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 3: dollars payment? And have they been able to explain why

795
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 3: did she get that five thousand dollars at all?

796
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 6: She hasn't spoken to it. She hasn't explained. They haven't explained,

797
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 6: but it's in his financial records that were exposed, and

798
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 6: Congress plans to ask about it, Okay, you know. And

799
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 6: then he also he also purchased two ambulances shortly before.

800
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 6: And then there's another prison guard who sent an email

801
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 6: that's in the files and the FBI referenced it. I

802
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 6: think he used four chan or discord to state that

803
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 6: they moved a body in at midnight, right when the

804
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 6: cameras got out.

805
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: I saw about that, yeah, and so okay, so we

806
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: have these little dribbling bits of evidence that are sort

807
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: of like dropping in here and there. What do you

808
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: think happened? Like, what is your hypothesis?

809
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 6: I would just assume he walked out with his friends

810
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 6: and they brought in another body. And that's why we

811
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 6: have three doctors who did the autopsy with varying information.

812
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 6: And now he's had plastic surgery, changed his face and

813
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 6: living in Russia.

814
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean again, it just sounds like one

815
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 3: of those things that you don't want to believe is

816
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: true because it sounds like something that you would see.

817
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: In But then when you lay the evidence out, it

818
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: does make a little too much sense, right, I mean,

819
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: an extremely powerful person involved with other really powerful people,

820
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: who is now in a relatively low security prison situation.

821
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it does kind of make sense.

822
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 6: I mean, when Charlie Sheen came into La County Jail,

823
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 6: he was on a wonder one. It's fucking Charlie Sheen, Like,

824
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 6: we could not take our eyes off him. Right, You

825
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 6: don't leave someone like Jeffrey Epstein alone for a second.

826
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 6: You have a one to one eyes on you are.

827
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 6: You're writing on a little log all your fifteen minute

828
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 6: check ins. You know, you're documenting everything that wasn't happening.

829
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 6: That's completely unimaginable.

830
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: And he was technically classified as someone who was supposed

831
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: to be on suicide watch because.

832
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 6: He had just tried.

833
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 3: I was going to say, was he on suicide watch

834
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 3: before the previous attempt or once that attempt?

835
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: It was after that?

836
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 6: It was after that after that, Okay, months prior. You know,

837
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 6: we could say, you know, he had a little practice,

838
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 6: he got better at it and succeeded. But it doesn't.

839
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 6: It doesn't look like an actual suicide to the doctors

840
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 6: who for fifty years haven't been investigating hangings and dead.

841
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: By There's been a lot of talk in the Epstein

842
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: files about cannibalism and people eating people, and I know

843
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: that you've worked on cases that involve cannibalism in the past.

844
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: Could you talk a little bit about those cases and

845
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: sort of your experience and how that applies here.

846
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 6: Sure, I've had patients, all of they've all had mental illness,

847
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 6: severe mental illness, from schizophrenia arranging to if you want

848
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 6: to say psychopathy is a mental illness, we would call that.

849
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 6: We would say they had antisocial personality disorder and narcissistic

850
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 6: personality disorder, and then we would give them the psychopathy inventory.

851
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 6: They would rank high and then that's how it would

852
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 6: determine it, because it's not a diagnosis. But between both

853
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 6: of those individuals. I have come across many in the

854
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 6: state hospital system, in jails and prisons, and especially at

855
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 6: Coalinga State Hospital. That's where we hold the sexually violent

856
00:42:55,320 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 6: predators in California who have eaten people for avariety of reasons.

857
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 6: I mean, I think so there's kind of three categories

858
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 6: of cannibalism. It would be the survival you know, airplane crash,

859
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 6: we got to eat people to survive, the Yellow Jackets

860
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 6: right right, that should freak me out more than meeting

861
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 6: them in real life. But that, and then we have

862
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 6: the ritualistic, satanic, ritualistic, and.

863
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 1: We see that a lot in pop culture. We see

864
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: that on TV, we see that in movies, right right.

865
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 6: And then you know what is cannibalism is drinking blood?

866
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 6: Under that category, we don't really have the ca real

867
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 6: definition for what it is. Is it if you cook it,

868
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 6: does it? It doesn't count? But then you have the

869
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 6: more psychotic.

870
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 3: Yes answer, Yes, if you cook a person doesn't count.

871
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: Of course, why is that? I don't even understand why

872
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 2: that's a.

873
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: Question the lawyer I should have asked that just for

874
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: everyone watching, if yes accounts.

875
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 2: I am.

876
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 3: I'm like very stuck on this. I can't believe that

877
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 3: that's a question. Who asked that question? Get them in

878
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 3: the studio.

879
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 6: If they ask me these questions all the time.

880
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: You know what I cooked it, it don't count, you

881
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: know it?

882
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 3: Just again, it just sounds so wild, right that people

883
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: are asking questions like that.

884
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: It's easier to be like, y'all are crazy, discredit the

885
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: person giving you the information because the information.

886
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: Is so ridiculous.

887
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: But it's one of these things that, Like, I mean,

888
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: that's happened throughout history, right, We've always had people discrediting

889
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: and saying that you're crazy for saying that, and then

890
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: fifty years later everyone's like, oh, yeah, no, they were

891
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: right right in prison Galileo.

892
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 6: And I fully grasped that there are targeted smear campaigns

893
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 6: and Hillary Clinton and Pizzagate. You know, nobody kind of

894
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 6: believed it, and maybe they used that, you know, as

895
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 6: a political attack. But there's also very real elite individuals

896
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 6: and satanic rituals that drink blood and kill children on

897
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 6: purpose and eat parts of their body that tax in America,

898
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 6: well largely in other countries. I mean, I didn't think

899
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 6: we'd hear about it so much in the Ebsteine files,

900
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 6: but the for thousands of years they've been doing this

901
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 6: in these rituals and these you know, private clubs. You

902
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 6: could say, I don't.

903
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: Know, this is too crazy, it is crazy.

904
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 2: But I just I'm wondering what is what is the purpose?

905
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 3: Right?

906
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 2: Like why why is this the thing? Right? You have

907
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: this very elite group of people, there's this club.

908
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 3: And you know, and I always wonder, like, where is

909
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 3: someone in life where they decide that that's the thing

910
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 3: that I'm going to do to get you to join

911
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 3: my club. And then the other person was like, yeah,

912
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 3: that's a good idea. I'm gonna I'm going to do that.

913
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: Whatever happened to annual dudes? You know, like whatever happened

914
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: to be? Whatever happened to typing?

915
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 3: Well but no, but seriously, I am curious, like what

916
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 3: is what is the purpose of I mean, I think,

917
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: let's say that I choose to accept this notion of

918
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 3: a ritual. Okay, I may disagree, but I accept that

919
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 3: that's what it is. But this idea of belonging to

920
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 3: a like this elite club or this elite group of people,

921
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 3: what is.

922
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: Based on what? You know?

923
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 3: What is the reasoning behind this? Why would somebody think

924
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 3: that that's what you need to do.

925
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 6: I think with the Epstein case, and it's this is

926
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 6: different than a lot of the cannibals that I've met.

927
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 6: But with the Epstein case, youth and life longevity were

928
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 6: a big thing. Right. He was trying to make the

929
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 6: perfect baby, you know, a Drena.

930
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: Crown, all this designer babies or.

931
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 6: The designer babies, right, But I think, so you've got

932
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 6: the longevity, But then I think you have to really

933
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 6: think about the spirituality and the ritualistic nature of people,

934
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 6: and that human sacrifice has been a thing throughout the

935
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 6: history of humans and when you reach that group or

936
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 6: that level in that sacrificial moment is going to bring

937
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 6: you to that next level of religiosity. In my mind, delusion,

938
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 6: But they believe it.

939
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: And so as you're sort of looking at the Epstein case,

940
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: at the everything that happened in the prison where he

941
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: was being held, and now this autopsy report, what really

942
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: stands out to you, is there anything else in that

943
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: autopsy report where you're like, this is totally something that

944
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: people need to be talking about that they're not picking

945
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: up on.

946
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 6: His prostate was there in the box, but in the

947
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 6: files they said his prostate was removed. They said his

948
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 6: urethrow was on one side of the tip of his

949
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 6: penis oddly placed, and his penis was egg shaped. That

950
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 6: wasn't noted in the autopsy of the body that they

951
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 6: determined was his. There are tattoos, and people argue saying

952
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 6: he had stick on fake tattoos. He did. He also

953
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 6: had real tattoos that weren't noted in the autopsy. And

954
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 6: then we have the more conspiracy not that we're already

955
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 6: in it, but of his nose changing, his eye shape,

956
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 6: changing his lips, his ears. I mean, people have gone

957
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 6: to town comparing his ear lobes. I don't know how

958
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 6: if your ears changed when you die.

959
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: But there's a photo of him after his death where

960
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: it almost looks like he's smirking. It looks like a

961
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: faked photo of him. In the cell.

962
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 6: There's a lot of AI. Yeah, there's definitely AI, like

963
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 6: you know. And then we've got Palm Beach Pete who's

964
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 6: getting a lot of attention lately, who looks just like him.

965
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's this guy in Palm Beach who's been driving

966
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: around in a convertible and he looks exactly like Jeffrey

967
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: Impstein and everyone sees him and is freaking out. It

968
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 1: looks just like him.

969
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: Wow, our producers just showed it. Wow. Okay, Well.

970
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 6: He's using it to his benefit yeaheah Yeah.

971
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: So where do you see all this?

972
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: Heading?

973
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: Right? Like, we've got so many we have more questions

974
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: than answers when it comes to the files. Will there

975
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: be some sort of accountability in this case? Because it's

976
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 1: so clear this administration wants this shut down. They don't

977
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: want to talk about it. They want everyone to move on,

978
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: and every time they do that, everyone just starts looking

979
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: at it closer.

980
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: Right, give him more attention.

981
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then I think also asking why in other

982
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: countries people are going to jail, they are losing their jobs,

983
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 3: you know, right, what's his name got unprinted or whatever

984
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 3: you call it.

985
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've removed him.

986
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 2: From right, So there are people who are.

987
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 3: Feeling the repercussions of just having known this man, whereas

988
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 3: in this country nothing, it feels like nothing is happening.

989
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 6: I think there's actually a lot more happening than people

990
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 6: know about. I mean, the UK is now demanding unreducted

991
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 6: files so that they can investigate inmate Andrew, So that

992
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 6: will move forward. Let's see if they get the files,

993
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 6: let's see if they get pushed back. But other countries

994
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 6: may need to help us out in that regard and

995
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 6: start trying to obtain the information themselves. But I think,

996
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 6: you know, and tell me if I'm wrong, because I'm

997
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 6: not the lawyer. But I think the key is building

998
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 6: a rico. You know. I think we've got to start

999
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 6: from the bottom up. We have doctors who have a

1000
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 6: lot of information that are still practicing at in Ohio,

1001
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 6: at UCLA, Princeton, Stanford. We have dentists, we have groundskeepers,

1002
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 6: we have a chef.

1003
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: Columbia University Medical Center. There as someone who was affiliated

1004
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: with Epstein and the women that he abused, and she

1005
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: was a doctor who would treat the women. Right. I

1006
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: mean this has been a long standing, intricate network of professionals,

1007
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: business people who were all a part of this network.

1008
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: It's not just one person.

1009
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 2: Right, It's not just him, and just like Glaine Gallain, yeah, right.

1010
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 6: So if you I think it was I think it

1011
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 6: was stupid to depose the Clintons.

1012
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think they intended to depose the Clintons.

1013
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: I think they said, oh, we're going to depose them,

1014
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: thinking that they were going to say no. And then

1015
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton snapped off her press on nails and took

1016
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: off her earrings and Chris hostomped, grabbed post stomped right

1017
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: into fucking yeah.

1018
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 2: And she dropped up Bill and was like listen, yeah,

1019
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 2: she said.

1020
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: Buckle up, Buttercup, Like, I don't think people thought that

1021
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: they were going to testify.

1022
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 2: Did you did you listen to it? I did?

1023
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: End right after they agreed to testify. We've got a

1024
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 1: clip of Trump being like, oh, you know, I always

1025
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: liked respected Bill. I thought he was a nice It's.

1026
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 2: Like right after he was like, you better, you better.

1027
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: Testify, And then they asked him after Bill said yes,

1028
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, he's always been such a

1029
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: nice guy to me.

1030
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: He's a strong president.

1031
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 6: I mean Hillary, Yeah, she showed that she was like

1032
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 6: a rock star, telling them that they were all idiots

1033
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 6: and how a lawyer. You know, you want to set

1034
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 6: up a pattern, you want a corner, me, let me

1035
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 6: help you out.

1036
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 2: Right.

1037
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 6: But then Bill, I mean utterly pointless until the moment

1038
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 6: he saw the pictures. Yeah, and then the admiration for

1039
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 6: those pictures told the world he's been on that island,

1040
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 6: and he had some more guests.

1041
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, really yeah, he was a little bit too

1042
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: excited to do a walk down memory Lane. Well, and

1043
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 1: the other thing was an island.

1044
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 3: What I thought was super interesting about this because I

1045
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 3: watched it was his attorney was sitting next to him

1046
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 3: and at one point she grabbed the pictures enough.

1047
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 2: No, no, no, But it was more like give this

1048
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 2: to me, you know what I mean. It was it

1049
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 2: was more like that. It was more like you stupid

1050
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 2: it is.

1051
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: You got to keep this form guys. You got to

1052
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: keep these photos away from him too much.

1053
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 3: I wonder with the work that you do, it's you know,

1054
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 3: it's a very heavy emotional lift. How do you take

1055
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 3: care of yourself? Because I feel like so. One of

1056
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 3: the things I'll say is that I have, at one

1057
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 3: point or another, started and stopped to look at the

1058
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 3: Epstein files that I see online, and it is overwhelming.

1059
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 3: It is overwhelming for me. And similarly, I was listening

1060
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 3: to this interview that you gave and again I had

1061
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 3: to stop. I picked it up again, but I had

1062
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 3: to stop because it's overwhelming, and I just wonder you

1063
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 3: are doing this work, this really hard, necessary work, because

1064
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 3: somebody needs to tell us what's happening. Right.

1065
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 2: How do you take care of yourself? How do you

1066
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: have the appetite for this?

1067
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 6: I eat a lot of beef jerky. No, I'm my

1068
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 6: husband's a psychologist. I do pilates a lot. I love melates.

1069
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 6: I think it's better than meditation. Having to hold yourself

1070
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 6: in the air and not die is phenomenal to get

1071
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 6: out of your head. But I've had great mentors, and

1072
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 6: I've had great training and I've learned over time to

1073
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 6: leave work where work should lay, and I have active cases.

1074
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 6: Now I have two reports that are going to trial,

1075
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 6: and I have to finish them this week, so I

1076
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 6: have my own distractions, even though they're still dark. There's

1077
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 6: still the rape cases. There are difficult cases.

1078
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 2: But we win.

1079
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 6: I win all the time. I win settlements for people.

1080
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 6: I bring justice to victims. I close schools, I take

1081
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 6: money from the Catholic Church, I close dioceses. I put

1082
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 6: people behind bars, and every moment of that erases the

1083
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 6: trauma I endured to get there, and every child I save.

1084
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 6: I just did a Hey international case, a child abduction case.

1085
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 6: So now I'm working all around the world, and ninety

1086
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 6: nine percent of those cases fail. The kids get sent

1087
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 6: back to the violent parent. We won. I got heard

1088
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 6: well enough, I tested everyone psychologically well enough to explain,

1089
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 6: and that to me, those winds make it worth it.

1090
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 3: Sure, No, it's just you know, I just can't imagine it,

1091
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 3: and I don't know. I feel like I want to

1092
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 3: say thank you because it just feels like really really difficult, constantly,

1093
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Speaker 3: like uphill work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you get a lot of pushback on the

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Speaker 1: internet for your videos or from other experts, even because I.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah nottimes, not from other experts. Independent journalists do

1097
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 6: like to write hit pieces on me and like the

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00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 6: Wall Street Journal things like that. But other experts were

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00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 6: in line with how we view this, and we support

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Speaker 6: each other. But I get a lot of death threats

1101
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 6: and those aren't from experts. Those are just from people.

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Speaker 6: So you know, I have a dog sent from Serbia

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Speaker 6: who speaks German, I conceal and carry, you know, I

1104
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 6: have people that watch me. So yeah, I have to

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Speaker 6: take tractrations.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, So in your opinion, as you're sort

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Speaker 1: of looking at the overall Epstein situation, and I just

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Speaker 1: want to ask, like, and you it sounds like you

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00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 1: have a lot of experience with these types of systematized

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Speaker 1: abduction of children. What are you seeing here in this

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00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: case right as an expert in this area of practice, Like,

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Speaker 1: what are you really seeing as you observe the Epstein

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Speaker 1: situation from the outside.

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Speaker 6: I'm seeing the world drastically trying to normalize the age

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Speaker 6: of consent, to minimize pedophilia and to minimize the severity

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Speaker 6: of child trafficking across the world. And you know, a

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Speaker 6: lot of people hate on Tim Tebow. I don't know

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Speaker 6: much about him, but his organization has done a phenomenal

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Speaker 6: job really pointing out trafficking and the dangers of it.

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Speaker 6: They put money behind it. The statistics are really solid.

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Speaker 6: You know, if you were to google it, you might

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Speaker 6: see one hundred thousand kids missing in America a year.

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Speaker 6: I'd say it's well over three hundred thousand. Where the

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Speaker 6: fuck are they all going? Yeah, you know I've had

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Speaker 6: people sell their children. I mean, that's how a Lot

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Speaker 6: got to Epstein was they sold their child for the day,

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Speaker 6: a lot with the hope of becoming someone becoming famous.

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Speaker 6: You know, white people went to the Playboy mansion and

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Speaker 6: then got trafficked. But a lot of parents, you know,

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Speaker 6: the most likely person to traffic a child is the

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Speaker 6: biological father. And trafficking doesn't mean gone for good. It

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Speaker 6: could just mean sell for an hour. Right, we have

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Speaker 6: to see what we also have to understand what this

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Speaker 6: term trafficking means. Right.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people think it's some sort of like.

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Speaker 2: The person has disappeared somehow, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Which is sometimes the case.

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Speaker 6: Sure, and these girls had babies. We don't know where

1139
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 6: the babies went, but a lot of the survivors who

1140
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 6: still have not been interviewed by Pam Bondi or the

1141
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 6: DOJ have a lot to say, and they all have

1142
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Speaker 6: open investigations. And that's, you know, that's the movement we're

1143
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 6: not seeing. That's movement we can't see because they are

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Speaker 6: actively going through these cases.

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Speaker 3: Two things I want to ask you, so have you

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Speaker 3: had an opportunity to speak to Epstein victims and to

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Speaker 3: hear what they say and to document what they say

1148
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Speaker 3: many many okay? And what happens with that information? Are

1149
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Speaker 3: you just holding on to it or is there a plan?

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Speaker 3: Because I think that's one of the things that I

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Speaker 3: think about quite a bit, and I've talked about this

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Speaker 3: with some friends, Like I feel like we're not hearing

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Speaker 3: enough from victims and is that because they want to

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Speaker 3: protect themselves or are they being stifled?

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Speaker 6: They're terrified of being sued for billions of dollars because

1156
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 6: we're talking about billionaires coming together with billionaires, and also

1157
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 6: they have open investigations going on, and so they can't

1158
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Speaker 6: tamper with the investigations. So when I do talk to them,

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Speaker 6: I get limited information. Of course, it's not going to

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Speaker 6: harm any of their cases, but I text a lot

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Speaker 6: of congress and I've been able to get a lot

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Speaker 6: of their cell phone numbers, and I will just rage text.

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Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people on the internet

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Speaker 1: would like to rage text cons.

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Speaker 2: Do you get responses from them at all? Is anybody

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Speaker 2: responding to you?

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Speaker 6: Oh? Yeah, definitely. I mean I think out here in California,

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Speaker 6: Robert Garcia has been incredible. I think Eric Swalwell has

1169
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Speaker 6: been incredible with this. You know, Eric Swawall voted to

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Speaker 6: have the congressional what sexual harassment stuff exposed? When so

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Speaker 6: many people voted against that. Yeah, that was very strange

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Speaker 6: to me, Like a ton of women voted against congressional

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Speaker 6: sexual harassment allegations exposed.

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Speaker 1: I saw that. That was unbelievable. And then it was

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Speaker 1: like one of those things whereas the next day no

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Speaker 1: one was talking about it anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they made it exact way.

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Speaker 3: And this is sort of my sorry, my last question

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Speaker 3: for you. And I don't even know if you could

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Speaker 3: really answer this question, but a few minutes ago you

1181
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Speaker 3: said something about how, you know, we're trying to sort

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Speaker 3: of normalize pedophilia and sort of have it sort of

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01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 3: become more acceptable. Why do you think that we are

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Speaker 3: this way, because when I think about it, immediately I

1185
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 3: repulsed and I'm like, oh, that person belongs under the jail, Like,

1186
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Speaker 3: get rid of this person forever. Why do you think

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Speaker 3: that there is this tendency to either go easy on

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Speaker 3: these people, because it seems like if there was something

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Speaker 3: we should all rally around is the protection of children, right,

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Speaker 3: people who are innocent? You know these are I mean

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Speaker 3: they're babies, they're kids. Why do you think that we

1192
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 3: have such a hard time in throwing down the Gauntland

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Speaker 3: and saying absolutely not.

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Speaker 6: Because you can only sell drugs once, but you can

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Speaker 6: sell a child's body over and over again. So that's

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Speaker 6: in an email in the files.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So it's money.

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Speaker 2: It's money.

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Speaker 1: It's money.

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Speaker 6: It's not you and I. Right, we're not. I don't

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Speaker 6: know if you guys are billionaires. I'm not. But you

1203
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 6: know I don't own giant corporations. I didn't start Victoria's Secret.

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Speaker 6: It's them, it's Les Wexner.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well, thank you for coming on the show.

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Speaker 6: On that note, Yeah, it was really lighthearted.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on. Do you have anything you

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01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: want to plug, anything you want to promote. I know

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Speaker 1: you have a book, out you want to maybe.

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Speaker 6: Mention that, Oh it's kind of more like a pamphlet.

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Speaker 6: But I did write a small book on setting boundaries.

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Speaker 2: With your friends.

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Speaker 6: Maybe you should set boundaries with the Epstein files.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, anything you want to plug and where can we

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Speaker 1: find you on the internet.

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Speaker 6: And the book's called The Friend Cleanse if anyone really

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Speaker 6: does want to set boundaries with their with their friends,

1218
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 6: toxic friends, but on Instagram and TikTok, if I'm not

1219
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Speaker 6: violated because of ebscene. And then my website, it's good

1220
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Speaker 6: to check my website. I'm going to be co producing

1221
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Speaker 6: several television shows and hopefully getting my own show soon,

1222
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 6: and so you know, just check back and see what's happening.

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Speaker 6: But also I encourage everyone to vote, and you can

1224
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Speaker 6: go on my website and you can see where I

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Speaker 6: have a link to the Courage candidates and thother candidates

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Speaker 6: that are running for Congress who have a fucking background.

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Speaker 1: That's great. We love that.

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Speaker 2: We love that.

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Speaker 1: I would love to check that out. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: calling that to our attention. All right, well, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for wonder.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Really, this was really interesting. Nice

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Speaker 2: to meet you. Nice to meet you, Leslie thanks, take care.

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Speaker 1: That was I mean, and even me and I see

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01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: all this shit in court all the time, and I'm

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01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: still like, this is too much for me to hand.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's one thing to sort of know that there are

1239
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 3: bad people out there, right, but this is this is

1240
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 3: beyond people.

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Speaker 1: I think we always think of the villain as like

1242
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: the guy with the sche mask holding the bag of

1243
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: money with the dollar prints printed on. It's the burlap bat.

1244
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 1: And this is like, oh no, it's actually like the

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01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: billionaires of America together in this network of like hedonistic heedophilic,

1246
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: like and there's also covers. It's just like, not only

1247
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: are you being asked to believe and I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: that I don't believe her, No, no, no, Not only

1249
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: are you being asked to believe that people are so

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01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: disgusting and awful that they would do something like that.

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Speaker 1: Depravity is what institutionalized, and the institutions are compromised as

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01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: part of it, right, Like these systems are run so

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01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: deep that they're a part of that. The prison system

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Speaker 1: could be part of a cover up Like that is

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Speaker 1: just like so shocking and unbelievable, and people to really

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Speaker 1: digest that. So the Epstein file drop. I think that

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01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: was strategic, right, they released everything at once so the

1258
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: public was overwhelmed, and then it would the news cycle.

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Speaker 1: They'd be constantly competing with the news cycle. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: was crazy. I'm shook.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I actually don't. I don't quite know how to feel,

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Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? I'm like disturbed, but

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Speaker 3: also like again, and it's not that I don't believe her,

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Speaker 3: it's more like my mind is blown that these people

1266
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 3: walk among us, right, that these are people. And I

1267
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 3: had seen something somewhere where somebody was like, we should

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Speaker 3: be looking really hard at anybody who's a billionaire, because

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Speaker 3: if you are a billionaire, there's something that you did

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Speaker 3: that is not on the up and up, and that's

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Speaker 3: how you got that.

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Speaker 2: Now, I don't know if I believe that to.

1273
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Speaker 3: Be true, but it would sort of correlate with what

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Speaker 3: you're saying, right, like, these are these it's the people

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Speaker 3: at the very very top who have all this money

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Speaker 3: and therefore have all this power and they're able to

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Speaker 3: get away with doing these types of things.

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Speaker 1: Right. It's like I think about this a lot in

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Speaker 1: like a legal context when it comes to a class

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Speaker 1: action lawsuit and I get a check in them out

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Speaker 1: for three dollars for something horrific that a company did,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, this is just like a rounding

1283
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: error in their budget. Like justice for them was like, uh,

1284
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: was like a decimal point that they misplaced on a

1285
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Speaker 1: spreadsheet somewhere. We imagined that billionaires in America got there

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Speaker 1: because they were smart and talented and not crazy. Right,

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Speaker 1: that's actually I think we're learning not true.

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Speaker 2: No, don't. I actually don't think that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's true either. But I think for

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Speaker 1: a lot of people, they assume, oh, if you're a billionaire,

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Speaker 1: you're really wealthy and successful, it's because you were smart

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Speaker 1: enough to do it to get there. But I don't.

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Speaker 1: I think we're a sort of culture is realizing that

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Speaker 1: that is not at all the cases, not the case.

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Speaker 1: That's actually a lot of billionaires can be crazy and

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Speaker 1: psychotic and not smart and actually really stupid. So I

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Speaker 1: think that's what we're sort of rubbing up against here.

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Speaker 1: This is tails from the dams. We're going to answer

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Speaker 1: all the KOOKI creat is the wild things you send

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Speaker 1: me in my DMS and Melissa DMS friends.

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Speaker 3: What I always say while Michael is a lawyer. He's

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Speaker 3: not your lawyer, so get your own ready. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 3: going to read this onecause I think is really funny.

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Speaker 1: So these are reviews that people left.

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Speaker 2: These are These are reviews, and if you.

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Speaker 1: Want to leave a review for us on YouTube or

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Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts or Spotify, we will read some of your

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Speaker 1: reviews because.

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Speaker 2: You guys are really funny. You guys are really funny

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Speaker 2: and we appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready.

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Speaker 3: So this is from the episode that we had with

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Speaker 3: Yanna from America's Next Top Model, and this is from Laurie.

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Speaker 3: Laurie says, sorry, I hate to be that bitch, but

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Speaker 3: it's barkeeper's friend, which I'm not sure one would use

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Speaker 3: on liquisite. It's for metal, which would scratch the enamel CODINGLA.

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Speaker 1: I think she says sorry to be that bitch. I

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Speaker 1: don't think she's sorry. I I'm that bitch too, So

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Speaker 1: I'm sisterhood Laurie.

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Speaker 3: But Laurie does redeem herself and says the following, I

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Speaker 3: love Michael and Melissa's friends in real life energy. They

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Speaker 3: brighten my Thursdays.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Laurie, I will.

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Speaker 1: And that is a good point though, because it wails scratch.

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Speaker 1: I think there's metal in Barkeep's friend, and that's like

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Speaker 1: the exfolian that you're using to get up, so you

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Speaker 1: don't want.

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Speaker 3: To use that. Maybe I was also not calling it

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Speaker 3: by the right name.

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Speaker 1: It was probably like Barkeeper's bestie or something. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: something I probably was.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: I correct people all the time too, though, So if

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Speaker 1: I have something in my teeth, Melissa will be like

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Speaker 1: you always I have to. Well, I was pounding that

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Speaker 1: almond croissant earlier, okay, and I had powdered sugar all

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Speaker 1: over me.

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Speaker 2: All right, I didn't.

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Speaker 1: You didn't catch it, but I caught it, okay, and

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Speaker 1: I knew, but I was like, if.

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Speaker 2: I didn't catch you had a little something on your use.

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Speaker 1: It stuck in my stubble and Almossa caught it before

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Speaker 1: we started rolling. Yeah, that's so Laurie. We're right there

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Speaker 1: with you, honey, Laurie. Okay. This is a heated rival

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Speaker 1: reclip when we were talking doing a deep dive compeated rivalry.

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Speaker 1: This is from Jessica. Jessica just says one line. Scott

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Speaker 1: absolutely bottoms once in the show after Kip gives him.

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Speaker 2: The socks, which is that all it took.

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Speaker 1: He gave him socks and he immediately bottoms. But I

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Speaker 1: will say he doesn't bottom in the books. He does,

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Speaker 1: so he's not first in the books. So that's what

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Speaker 1: I was saying, that the Old Testament and the New

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Speaker 1: Testament are different.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it happens.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, it happens. I who among us hasn't bottomed

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Speaker 1: after receiving a parasolic?

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Speaker 2: I mean, some people don't even get sucks.

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Speaker 1: That's true. A lot of people are bottoming for nothing.

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Speaker 3: I love this because it feeds right into Michael's vanity.

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Speaker 3: So this is from every woman has a man in

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Speaker 3: their past who made them crazy.

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Speaker 2: I stand by this.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Red Rose says, this camera and lighting is so amazing.

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Speaker 2: Y'all look like AI.

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Speaker 1: Thank oh, hell yeah, thank you? Oh my god. We

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Speaker 1: did a full He explained all the lightings before we dive.

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Speaker 1: Because I and I want to know. I want to

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Speaker 1: know what it looks like. I went to Sephoria. I said,

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Speaker 1: give me the stuff for the camera. I don't want

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Speaker 1: this stuff for every day. Every day I'm seeing friends own.

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Speaker 5: No makeup look. I want the makeup look. I don't

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Speaker 5: want the no makeup blod but I also had to today.

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Speaker 5: I had to stop Michael Inness. I'm like, you're going

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Speaker 5: to look a little too dusty. Dusty. We don't want

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Speaker 5: that little Corpsey a little. We don't want cop not

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Speaker 5: the true Blood. No, okay. And then one more, This

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Speaker 5: is from Madame Lexi. These were a fun enjoying the show.

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Speaker 5: Love their New Yorkiness.

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Speaker 2: If you know, you know it's true, it's true.

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Speaker 1: My dad's even more New Yorkie than I am.

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Speaker 2: Really.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when I when I grew up Long Island, Long

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Speaker 1: Islands Island, and when I talk to him sometimes I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh my God, like it's just to come out of me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, interesting, Keep it up, Devus, keep it up.

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Speaker 1: Diva Divah. This one's subject Diva. Michael and Meliss are

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Speaker 1: so good together. It's so funny. Diva is my new

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Speaker 1: vocal stem. That is, I I want to make a

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Speaker 1: ring tone, but I don't know how to do it

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Speaker 1: of the Diva ring tone, and then it's going to

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Speaker 1: go off in court.

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Speaker 2: Well, make sure it doesn't, Michael.

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Speaker 1: You know me, and you know I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: make sure. I'm gonna I'm gonna forget to do really

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Speaker 1: my zero went off during this show recording and when

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Speaker 1: I was out in LA. It's just a normal Apple one.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I could make it though, we could.

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Speaker 2: You could probably do that.

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Speaker 1: We'll get the head attack in here.

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Speaker 2: I have a ring tone.

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Speaker 3: I have like ring tones for everybody. You do, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: yours is just regular. Yours is the my ring tone

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Speaker 3: for everybody. For the gen pop is?

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Speaker 1: What's it for your mom?

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Speaker 2: A door bell? Oh she's here? Yeah? My brothers is.

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Speaker 2: There was this song a long time ago called your

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Speaker 2: little brother. Okay, so that for him?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: Andres is it sounds like a computer, like a robot.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, because he's a robot. Yeah, he's speaking of Ai. No,

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Speaker 7: it's true, he is. Yeah, No, I get it. So

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Speaker 7: we talked about the needle squishies last week.

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Speaker 2: Did you get it?

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Speaker 1: So I went back to the store. Well, I saw

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Speaker 1: that sign and before I could even get inside, I

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Speaker 1: look down. There is a red dot laser pointed directly

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Speaker 1: at my chest. I'm not kidding, okay, And I look

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Speaker 1: up about six hundred meters away. There she is the

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Speaker 1: owner of the store, sniped me, huh. But on the door,

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Speaker 1: I'm this is serious. This Bard series now on the door.

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Speaker 1: There's a sign that says, if you want a nido,

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Speaker 1: don't come in here, get lost, get ben and it

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Speaker 1: said it said no more needles. And the FedEx delivery

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Speaker 1: that I kept. She kept telling me come back for

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Speaker 1: the FedEx delivery. It said missing. The FedEx delivery is missing.

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Speaker 1: So I think one of these little rascally youths stole

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Speaker 1: the needle package probably, and it's just wild in selling

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Speaker 1: in the trunk. Hey man, I got needles for you

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Speaker 1: don't have to.

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Speaker 2: Really do you want? I think that's what you are?

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Speaker 2: They all are? They all clear?

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Speaker 1: No, they're different colors. Because she had one sample one

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Speaker 1: and she held it up like the Hope diamond. You

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Speaker 1: know how they do about an auction. It was kind

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Speaker 1: of like that she had. She had art handlers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's holding it up really, And so I sent the

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Speaker 1: photo to my niece, who cannot be satiated. There is

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Speaker 1: no there's no under. An eleven year old isn't going

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Speaker 1: to under. She's like, I don't care find it. She's

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Speaker 1: like get in there, Sue, Like what are you going

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Speaker 1: to do to get.

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Speaker 2: The handle it?

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Speaker 3: When Michael and bradw this look my favorite Metaline story

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Speaker 3: when Michael and Brad were getting married.

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Speaker 2: They were a little bit late, and I was talking

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Speaker 2: to Madeline.

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Speaker 1: And we relate to the ceremony.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were late to the ceremony, and it was.

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Speaker 1: There was a whole drama because I left Brad's suit

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Speaker 1: in the city and it was a destination wedding, so

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Speaker 1: he did not About thirty minutes before we've got two

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Speaker 1: undre people assembled, we realized we don't have his suit.

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Speaker 1: We have like jeans and a T shirt and I'm

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Speaker 1: dressed like this. So it really was like a rags

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Speaker 1: to riches story that we were getting. We put him

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Speaker 1: in a cab and sent him to like a nearby

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Speaker 1: suit store, right like local on Long Island, and I

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Speaker 1: called ahead of time and I spoke to the woman,

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Speaker 1: and this woman with such excitement she had been waiting

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Speaker 1: her whole life to receive the call an emergency gay wedding.

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Speaker 1: She was ready. She was seriously. I think there was

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Speaker 1: like a button on the desk that she hit and

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Speaker 1: like the wall behind her, oh yeah yeah, And like

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Speaker 1: there were of clothing and she's like what size, and

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Speaker 1: she had them hemmed and ready to go. By the

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Speaker 1: time he got there, it was ready and he was

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Speaker 1: at the ceremony two minutes late.

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Speaker 3: Right, But according to Madeline, I was like Madeleine, where

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Speaker 3: are they?

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Speaker 2: And she was like, I don't think they're coming.

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Speaker 3: She was like four or five years old, and.

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Speaker 1: She was going around telling people we weren't coming to

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Speaker 1: our own wedding.

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Speaker 3: They're not coming, but like, but like I need for

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Speaker 3: people to understand. Like she was this little bitty things

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Speaker 3: glasses and like so cute, but also like like she's

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Speaker 3: like I really think so, like standing steadfast in her conviction.

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Speaker 3: They were not coming to the wedding. I don't think

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Speaker 3: they're going to make And then I asked her to

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Speaker 3: spin and she did, Yeah, she's like, this is my party.

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Speaker 1: Actually, I was.

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Speaker 2: Like, it's been for me. She did, but they're not coming.

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Speaker 1: All right. So if someone messaged me directly on the

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Speaker 1: Internet asking me about I don't know that that's so weird,

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Speaker 1: like I was Grinder or something that wasn't it was

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Speaker 1: the Internet. I just want to keep them anonymous. They said, Hey, Diva,

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Speaker 1: I would like to remain anonymous. Thank you for keeping

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Speaker 1: think you for not sending me your social Security number

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Speaker 1: like some people. Do you have any information about EAD renewals.

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Speaker 1: So an EAD is an employment authorization document that immigrants

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Speaker 1: use so they can work. For TPS holders who are

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Speaker 1: from L Salvador, so TPS temporary Protected status. It's basically

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Speaker 1: like a ruling that USCIS Customs says, hey, if you're

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Speaker 1: from this country, you get sort of like temporary status.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to deport you right away. So this

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Speaker 1: person has TPS from L. Salvador and they have an

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Speaker 1: EAD renewal. The TPS is still valid until September, but

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Speaker 1: the eed expired March ninth, so they're trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out what to do when TPS is still ongoing but

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Speaker 1: the eed expired. So if that's the case, you can

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Speaker 1: reapply for a new EAD. But I do think you

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Speaker 1: might have mixed up this question because from my understanding,

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Speaker 1: TPS for El Salvador is still in effect until September

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Speaker 1: ninth this year, twenty twenty six. So if your EAD

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Speaker 1: has expired, you can apply for an EAD renewal now

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Speaker 1: because TPS is still technically in effect for El Salvador.

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Speaker 1: So that's the answer. So you're not shit out of

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Speaker 1: luck like you thought you were. That is actually something

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Speaker 1: that you can fix. And they wanted to say thank

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Speaker 1: you for what you and Melissa do. You're such a

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Speaker 1: breadth of fresh air trying times keep grooving.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. It's very sweet.

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Speaker 1: You're often grooving.

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Speaker 2: I do the best that I can.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't groove too hard because then you've

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Speaker 1: got to go to the chiropractor. I know, all right.

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Speaker 1: This is Briefree says thank you for joining us. I'll

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Speaker 1: see you in court. I this has been an exactly

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Speaker 1: right production recorded at iHeart Studios, Posted by me, Michael.

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Speaker 3: Foot and me Melissa Albrand. Our producer is CJ.

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Speaker 2: Ferroni.

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Speaker 1: This episode was edited by Nicholas Galucci.

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Speaker 3: Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain, and our guest booker

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Speaker 3: is Patrick Cottner.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song was composed by Tom Brifogel with artwork

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Speaker 1: from Charlotte Delarue Manessa Lilac with photography by Brad Obono.

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Speaker 3: Brief Recess is executive produced by Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hart

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Speaker 3: Stark and Danielle Kramer.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on Instagram at Department of Redundancy

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Speaker 1: Department or on TikTok at Michael Foot.

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Speaker 2: And I'm on both Instagram and TikTok as.

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Speaker 1: Melissa Malbranch got legal questions. Reach out at brief Recess

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