1 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: You know all those jokes about people hating their in laws, 2 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: Well maybe there's a reason for that, you know. Let 3 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: me just put it on the record right now. Out 4 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: of all the years I have been with my husband, 5 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: never once was there a cross word between his mother 6 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: or his father and me. Not once. Can you believe that, Jackie? 7 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: You knows so many people hate hate their in laws. 8 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: I have the greatest in laws ever. Well, you're gonna 9 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: hear and that's not always the case. Let's start off 10 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: with who is lee and a Balman? I need to 11 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: get to know this woman. Listen, even when it's knowing, 12 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: it's still a beautiful blas live a Leak of the Ozarks. 13 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's gorgeous. I'd love to sell the 14 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: house i'm selling to today. Okay, you're hearing just a tiny, 15 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: tiny little bit of lee Anne Bomban that's on her 16 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: Facebook post. Lee Anne Bouman is a very very successful 17 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: realtor in Lake of the Ozarks. You might want to 18 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: know where's Lake of the Ozarks. Well, it's beautiful. It's 19 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: in Missouri. I'm just trying to figure out. Wow, I'm 20 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: looking at her and she almost looks too good to 21 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: be true. Long, beautiful blonde here, I mean way down here. 22 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: I would say it's almost to her belly button. She's 23 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: holding up one of those little pair of Hilton teacup 24 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: puppy dogs. Oh, she's holding up a magazine of the mayors, 25 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: all the mayors in the area, and they've all signed 26 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: it to her. Okay, I guess this is off of 27 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: her Facebook. But you know what, I don't know enough. 28 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 1: Take a listen to more about lee Anne Bauman, Forty 29 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: three year old Liam Bauman is a well known, wealthy 30 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: real estate agent in Lake of the Ozarks, Missouri. Her 31 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: social media is filled with pictures showing herself with guns, speedboats, motorcycles, 32 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: and on old magazine covers in glamour shots. On her 33 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: Facebook page, Beauman represents herself as a realtor and artist, 34 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, and a cheer mom. She frequently posts about 35 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: her track record of success, including appearances with the mayor 36 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: as quote first Lady of Lake Ozark. She's also an 37 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: art dealer, a professional speedboater, setting a world record during 38 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty race, and claims to have done work 39 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: in pharmaceutical sales as well as acting and modeling, citing 40 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: appearances on Days of Our Lives and Nike commercials on 41 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: her LinkedIn profile. My goodness, well, that's certainly a mouthful. 42 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: That was our friend Jackie Howard at Crime online dot com. 43 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: Let me introduce to you an all star panel with 44 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: us Dale Carson, criminal defense attorney, former FBI and cop, 45 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 1: author of Arrest Proof Yourself. I don't think I'm gonna 46 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: like anything he has to say. Del Carson is joining 47 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: me out of Jacksonville. Doctor Jerry cross In, psychologist at 48 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: junct faculty, Saint Leo University. My Goodness, Research consultant, Blue 49 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: Ball Institute, author of Operation s o S Practical Recommendations 50 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: to help Stop Officers Suicide, coming out July twenty twenty one. 51 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley, author, speaker, retired cop Undercover is the U 52 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: detective and author of twelve and Murdered. You can find 53 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: him at Stephen David Lampley dot com, but first to 54 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Levi page. You can 55 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: also find him at Crime and Scandal, True Crime Podcast 56 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: Levi Page. Just one question to you, one question, and 57 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: I know it's against everything you believe him to answer 58 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: with a yes or no. I heard just said that 59 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: this woman Liane Bauman refers to herself as First Lady 60 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: of the Ozarks. Is she married to the governor, a mayor, 61 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: a city manager, anything like that. No, I could tell you. 62 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: Just about to start talking again. So now let me 63 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: ask you a full on question. How does she position 64 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: herself as First Lady of the Ozarks. Well, she's a 65 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: very successful real estate agent. She would accompany the mayor 66 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: to various social events, knew the mayor personally. Wait a minute, 67 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, is the mayor married? Whoa levi? He's divorced. 68 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: She's divorced. She's divorced. Okay, so interesting, all right, the 69 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: first Lady of the Ozarks. Let's see, guys, I'm talking 70 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: about a woman named Liane Bauman. Take a look at 71 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: crime online dot com. You can see her for yourself. 72 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: Very successf a realtor. How does a woman like this 73 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: getting mixed up in murder for higher murder for higher? Well, 74 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: let's delve into her mind a little bit more. Take 75 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: listen to more of the First Lady of the Ozarks 76 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: talking about guess what herself? Reason behind the art of 77 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: success its behimes? We trying to superstar. Three weeks ago, 78 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: four weeks ago when you bring me on high line 79 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: breaks down our losser, I was life presentive and not 80 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: so full where I'm so lucky and blessed. I thought 81 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: the one point seven million and next week and then 82 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: when two worlds set in these finals, is your local 83 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: female racial and is all times and just you know, 84 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: being a good leader of friends going to be burning 85 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: on the word betting four and not to sit him 86 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: because it is golden right out there. You know, wouldn't 87 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: feel good on my Okay, that was kind of hard 88 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: to hear. But that is the first Lady of the 89 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: Ozarks herself, according to her Liam Bauman, and she's describing 90 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: her business. I think that's what she's saying. Leaviy Page 91 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: helped me out here, from what I can tell, she 92 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: just said. She's saying that her racing sponsors helped her 93 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: win two world Championship race titles and she wants to 94 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: thank God for that. She says, she's like him blast 95 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: that she has been feeling empty and she prayed to 96 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: Christ and then suddenly she had a one point seven 97 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: million dollars deal the next week And if it's cold 98 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: and wet, you should come there because it's nice and 99 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: warm in her jaccuzi hot tub? How did Christ get 100 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: in that mix? You know? As far as I'm recall. 101 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: Let me go to you, Del Carson, veteran criminal defense 102 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: attorney for her FBI, former cop and author as far 103 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: as I know, and I'm certainly no biblical scholar, Okay, 104 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: certainly not. But the only thing I recall Christ owning 105 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: was a pair of sandals, and I've got a very 106 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: strong suspicion those were given to him. Um no home, 107 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: no jaccuzie hot tub, no one point seven million dollar deal. 108 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: So how does Christ? What is it? Defendants always drag 109 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: Christ into the mix, well to make you trust them, obviously, 110 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: But this is a bullet chick. And I don't know 111 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: whether you're familiar with that term, but they are hot, 112 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: twisted and deadly, and that's certainly what this woman is, 113 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: you know, hot twisted and deadly. You know what if 114 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:52,559 Speaker 1: you think that is hotly, you know what power to you? Guys? 115 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: We are talking about um Lee and Bauman, and I 116 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: gotta tell you she's beautiful, but if Dale Carson is correct, 117 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: she's also twisted and deadly. Guys, take listen to this. 118 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: Leanne Bauman was married and going by photos and Facebook captions, 119 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: has at least two daughters, but she and her husband 120 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: divorced in twenty eighteen. According to court documents, Bauman became 121 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: concerned that her husband and his mother were going to 122 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: take her to court to fight for custody of the 123 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: children after she went to pick up her daughters and 124 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: they refused to go with her. And there is the 125 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: fly in the ointment. Okay, there is the gnat in 126 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: the punch bowl. It all starts with a custody problem. 127 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Those of you just joining us, 128 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: we're talking about lee Anne Bauman from the Lake of 129 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: the Ozarks, Missouri. Well, this is not just about her 130 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: real estate practice. Take a listen to our friends at 131 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: crime online dot com. Bellman blamed her ex mother in 132 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: law for the strain in her relationship with her daughter 133 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: and believed her mother in law and ex husband were 134 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: possibly going to court to get full custody of their 135 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: two children. Balman allegedly sent her children a text that 136 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: their grandmother would be dead. The children told their father. 137 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: When he confronted the ex wife about the meaning, she 138 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 1: reportedly said she just meant the grandmother was old and 139 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 1: was going to die. M okay, let's go back to 140 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: our panel with me Del Carson, criminal defense attorney, doctor 141 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: Jerry Krossen, police psychologist and author Stephen Lampley, former cop 142 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: Undercover Risk that you detective and author and leave page. 143 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: Let me go first to our psychologist because I think 144 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: I need to shrink right now. Says when do you 145 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: text your children and tell them Grandma's gonna die? That 146 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: just really shows the personality over under delusional thinking. Just 147 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: like what Dale was saying, She's very narcassistic and self centered. 148 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 1: And when you come from her high level of so 149 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: called wealth and then comes down to this fifteen hundred 150 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: dollars to pay for somebody to kill a person. You know, 151 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: you can't even get a decent car paint job for 152 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars. That really stuck out my mind. This 153 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: small amount, I mean, you know it was doomed from 154 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: failure from the very beginning there. And it just goes 155 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: back to her personality that self centered, very important to herself, 156 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: and thinking that she could get somebody to do this 157 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: for this price amount of money. You know, doctor Jerry 158 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: Cross And let me ask you a deeper question, why 159 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: do people puff themselves up. That's actually a technical legal term, 160 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: Del Carson, is you're a veteran trial lawyer, because there's 161 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: a big difference in puffing yourself up. Puffing up your 162 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: reputation or your sales ability is not against the law, 163 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: is not a civil lawsuit. But if it goes beyond that, 164 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: and you're outright telling a lie to get pecuniary gain 165 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: or monetary advantage, then it becomes actionable. What is first 166 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: of you, Del Carson, puffing up? I know it doesn't 167 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: sound like a legal turn, but it is. No, no, 168 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: it is. It's odd. It's we say that we're a 169 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: lot more than we actually are. We're all that and 170 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: a bag of chips, when there is no bag of chips, 171 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: and people use that in order to lure people into 172 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: a trap of believing them trust is what they're really selling. 173 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: But it's fraudulent, as you know. Yeah, you know what 174 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: I've always noticed. I don't know if you've noticed this before, 175 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley, if you've ever been in the business of 176 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: looking for a house or an apartment, have you always 177 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: noticed the real tours. I come trudging in from the 178 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: room at the courthouse trying a case, and the realtor 179 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: would look so glamorous in like Chanel and dripping with 180 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: jewelry and driving a Mercedes or a BMW, and I'd 181 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: like pull up in my old beat up Honda. They 182 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: project a lifestyle and a success record, and I guess 183 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: that Dale Carson is right. That makes you believe in them, right, 184 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley, Well, Nancy, it does. It gives you a 185 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: sense of trust in them, that they know what they're doing, 186 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: they are successful, They've been around them blot more than once. 187 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: It does he gives that are that I'm the expert. 188 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: I can help you with anything you need and back 189 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: to you. Doctor Jorry crows In, police psychologist and author. 190 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: It's a deeper question in my mind whether it's from 191 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: faking your Facebook account. I was reading an article just 192 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: the other day, doctor Crawsen, where people actually fake, for instance, 193 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 1: taking flights on it jets and being on exotic vacations, 194 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: and they added all these photos to give themselves a 195 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: much more glamorous lifestyle than they really have. Why do 196 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: people do that, Well, it's to build themselves up. But 197 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: the real danger comes when it's the crash, when you 198 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: start falling down and something as simple as in her case, 199 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: where the daughters kind of either rejected her or there 200 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: was some kind of conflict with the mother in law. 201 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: And you see immediately her responses, I'll get somebody to 202 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: kill her. Well along that vein, You're absolutely correct, guys, 203 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: take a listen to this. Bauman asked a witness, quote, 204 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: do you know anybody? The witness reportedly thought Mauman wanted 205 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: to know where to get marijuana. Bauman allegedly replied, no, 206 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: I want to hit man. Bauman reportedly told the witness 207 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: she knew it was wrong and would go to church 208 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: afterwards and ask for forgiveness. The witness said she thought 209 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: about calling Bauman's mother in law to warn her, and 210 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: called her attorney instead. She said she was worried the 211 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: intended victim would call police. Reportedly, the witness believed Balman 212 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: was politically connected to the cops and she would get 213 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: the blame. That is so funny to you, Del Carson. 214 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you a funny story about do you 215 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: know anybody? And the person thought she wanted to get 216 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: hooked up with some marijuana. I have a connecting closet 217 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: to my son's closet that and that connects to his 218 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: room and his tech cave where he has all of 219 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: his computers and all his tech stuff set up. And 220 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: I was in there hanging up his clothes and I 221 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: heard him say, well, can you hook me up? I'm like, oh, 222 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: dear Lord in Heaven, he's only twelve and he's buying 223 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: a pot. How has this happened to me? He was 224 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: trying to get hooked. I kept listening, you know, of course, 225 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: to get all the evidence. He was trying to get 226 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: somebody to send him the homework questions because he couldn't 227 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: find them. I was so It's so funny to me 228 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: that the witness, Now this is reportedly all of it's 229 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: got to be proved in court. Of course, a witness 230 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: says that this woman miss it. The it girl of 231 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: Lake of the Ozarks says, do you know anybody? And 232 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: the witness immediately thought she wanted to get hooked up 233 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: for a big fat doobie, a blunt, but no, she 234 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: wanted something much more serious. Hit man, Joe Carson, what 235 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: do you do with the witness like that? Cry? No, 236 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: we don't cry about that. You've got to look at 237 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: the history of that potential undercover informant and what is 238 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: really critical in winning these cases is to determine what 239 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: was the relationship pre the recording. Was she working for 240 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: law enforcement? If she was, then this becomes an entrapment 241 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: case where the woman was tricked into doing all of this. 242 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: But that's the only potential team. I actually believe what 243 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: you're saying. Are you just putting Okay, okay, all right, 244 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: you may need to have a private session with a 245 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: doctor Jerry Crossing after this. That's between you guys. So 246 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: the witness says when she says, do you know anybody? 247 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: He thought this gorgeous realtor wanted to get hooked up 248 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: with some pot and the witnesses, no, no, no, no, 249 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: I need a hitman. Okay, listen to this. The night 250 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: Bauman allegedly met with the witness to discuss the hit. 251 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: The witness recorded the conversation. Bauman was told the hit 252 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: would cost about fifteen hundred dollars. Bauman responded, okay, that's 253 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: a reasonable price and would go to the bank for 254 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: the money. The next day, Bauman specified she did not 255 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: want her mother in law to be killed in Lake 256 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: of the Ozarks because of the text she had sent 257 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: to her children. Instead, Bauman told the witness she wanted 258 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: her mother in law to be killed at her house 259 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: in Hermann, and her death should look like an accident. 260 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: And take a listen to our friend Corey start at 261 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: kamoz St. Louis Emily. Drama escalates to a murder for 262 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: higher plot in Missouri tonight, a Lake of the Ozark's 263 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: real estate agent is in custody. Leanne Bowman is sitting 264 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: in the Camden County jail right now. Prosecutors say she 265 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: hatched a plan to kill her mother in law. She 266 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: paid people in Saint Louis fifteen hundred dollars. They were 267 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: expected to make the woman's death look like an accident. 268 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: A witness recorded a conversation with Bowman where she confirmed 269 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: the plot multiple times and explain she wanted her mother 270 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: in law killed in Herman. Prosecutors also say she texted 271 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: her daughter saying, quote, your grandmother will die Clime stories 272 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, how does this very well respected, 273 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: glamorous first lady of the Ozarks realtor Leanne Baum and 274 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: dig herself out of this? You know to leave my page? 275 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: Climb online dot Com investigative reporter tell me what happened? 276 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: Jackie's telling me, the informant is a woman. Dale Carson 277 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: defense attorney is claiming the woman is the informant is 278 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: a paid informant. What do we know about the witness? 279 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: And is it true that the first lady of the Ozarks, 280 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: Leeann Bauman, this very successful realtor, was given several chances 281 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: to change her mind and back out of the hit 282 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: on her own mother in law, but she insisted that 283 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: it go forward. What do we know? Well, what we 284 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: know about this witness. It is a woman, and it 285 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: was someone that she at first was venting about her 286 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: mother in law with and then as time went on, 287 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: she said, do you know anyone? And the informant thought, 288 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: I thought she was talking about hooking her up with 289 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: someone that deals drugs, but instead she actually wanted to 290 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: hire a hitman. Pay a hitman one thousand and five hundred. 291 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: The woman said, yeah, I know some people. It'll cost 292 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: about one thousand and five hundred dollars, and Bauman responded 293 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: and said that sounds like a reasonable price and agree 294 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: to it. She was even asked multiple times are you 295 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: serious about this? And she said yes. She even said 296 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: that she, as a Christian, knew that it was wrong, 297 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: but that she would go to church and ask forgiveness 298 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: for this after it happened, after she blows her mother 299 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: in law's head up like a pumpkin, she's gonna go 300 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: ask for forgiveness, you know, Diale Carson, criminal defense Turney 301 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: joining me out of Jacksonville. Isn't it true that at 302 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: every criminal trial a standard jury instruction is that a 303 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: defendant may immediately regret the deed, but that does not 304 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: negate the intent at the time. Well, that's exactly right, 305 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: But of course we don't want the jury to know that, right. 306 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: We want the jury to believe. Well, we want the 307 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: jury to be successful in defending someone. You want the 308 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: jury to believe that the government is dangerous and those 309 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: strange things and can't be believed, particularly a witness like this. 310 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: I mean, how did that conversation start with the will 311 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: turn the Dale Carson? No matter how you want to 312 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: twist it around, it started when Leam Bauman was fighting 313 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: about her mother in law about him which she hated her, 314 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: and the mother in law was trying to poison her relationship. 315 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: She went to go pay the two girls up and 316 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: they wouldn't get the car with mommy and mommy boiled 317 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: over and hashed a murder plan according to prosecutors. That's 318 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: right according to prosecutors, and they want to win a 319 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: case as well. So that's the difference between dispense and prosecution. Right. 320 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: They present it with their spin on it, and we 321 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: present it with our spin on spin and recording of 322 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,479 Speaker 1: the woman saying that as a Christian, she's just going 323 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: to go pray it away. Well, do a couple of 324 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: Hail Marys and be done with it. Well, you've got 325 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: to get that information suppressed from the jury. You can't 326 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: let the jury hear that. Well may unless there's an 327 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: effort to suppress the evidence. And if that evidence is suppressed, 328 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: the jury won't hear it. And it has to do 329 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: with the credibility of the taping and the witness as well. 330 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: If that witness is not credible and the government was 331 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: somehow involved before they actually indicate on tape that they 332 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: were involved, and that changes the mixed altogether. And that's 333 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: one of the efforts that we defense attorneys try to 334 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: bring to the attention of the juries. You know what 335 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: I have found to Stephen Lampley, author or former cop 336 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: UNDERCOVERSVU detective, I think the jury hates nothing more than 337 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: a hypocrite, because I'm with them on that someone that 338 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: says that they were feeling quote empty even though they 339 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: were an award winning race driver and a glamor girl 340 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: and the first lady of the Ozarks felt empty prey 341 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: and then got a one point seven million dollar deal 342 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: and sends love from her hot tub. Jaccuzie. It's not 343 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: going to go over very well with regular working class 344 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: people like ourselves, where you know, growing up, seeing your 345 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: parents work double shifts over time to help you get 346 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: through school, and then this, and you think you can 347 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 1: plan ahead of time, refuse to back out when offered, 348 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: and then say you're going to just ask forgiveness. That 349 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: tape is going to come in. Stephen Lampley Again, a 350 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: jury hates a hypocrite, Nancy. I agree with you, I believe, 351 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: and of course the attorney knows better than I. But 352 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: I believe that the recording will make it to court, 353 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: and I think you should make it to court so 354 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: that the jury gets a chance to see exactly what's 355 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: going on with this woman. Worse that remains to be seen. 356 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: Pacologically speaking, if I could jump in a statement where 357 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: she's going to go to church, that shows up. That 358 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: closes the deal and just really justifies her behavior. Just 359 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: as long as I can go get my forgiveness. This 360 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: is a done deal. You know she's moving on, is this, 361 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: doctor Crowson? Yes, Doctor Crowson, It's like next, what's next? 362 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to kill my mother in law? What's the 363 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: truth behind it? Leavi Page? Was the mother in law 364 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: really interfering with custody of the two girls or did 365 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: the two girls just not want to go with mommy? 366 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: Of course that would breaken my heart if the twins 367 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: didn't want to come somewhere with me. But I get it, 368 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: but I don't think i'd order a hit on miss Lynch. Nancy, 369 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: we don't know about the anything. All we know is 370 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: that she is divorced. She's been divorced since twenty eighteen. 371 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: Well that's not a felony, Levi Page, So I don't care. 372 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 1: You have as many divorces as you want, doesn't matter. 373 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: But Nancy, you know what's important about this is not 374 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: only did she agree to do this hit, agreed to 375 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: pay one thousand, five hundred dollars, she even gave this 376 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: witness a business card, her business card and wrote her 377 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: seventy four year old ex mother in law's address on 378 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: the back of it. I can't wait to hear Dell 379 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: Carson defense lawyer right of Jackson explain that away just 380 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: a minute now, anybody could write that on the back 381 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: of the cart. Is there been in a handwriting analysis? 382 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: And look, more importantly, wait a second, now, emotion in 383 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: lemony is going to prevent the jury everything. Hey, hey, 384 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 1: don't throw around in Latin words that nobody understands. All right, 385 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: all right, the court's not going to allow something that's 386 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: not relevant. Emotion in lemony, and the anti file emotion 387 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: and argue before the judge, before the jury. Here's the 388 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: evidence or opening statements. Even so the jury never hears 389 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: the evidence. You don't want it to come out and 390 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: then try to suppress it. You file emotion in lemony 391 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: ahead of time, so the jury never hears that bill 392 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: being run. You can't unring a bell, all right? That 393 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: is so right, That is so right. So you want 394 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: what you just said, has there been a handwriting expert? Well, 395 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: let's get a handwriting expert to back up the witness. 396 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: And then how are you going to suppress it? Del Carson? 397 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: You're just gonna take your lump and keep going. Well, 398 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: of course, then you would argue that there is no 399 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: such thing as a proper handwriting outlets would be backed 400 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: up right, Well, you missed a bet. I can't believe 401 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: this deal, Carson. You could argue she wrote that on 402 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: the business card because she was going to refer a 403 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: landscaper for her mother in law, or a babysitter, or 404 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: a car appairment or a house painter. Well, what does 405 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: she write on the car Leavi page? Why am I 406 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: giving this guy any ideas Leavi page? What did the 407 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: card say? It was her business part and on the 408 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: back of it she wrote her mother in law's address 409 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: or ex mother in law's address on it. Yeah, you 410 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: know there's no telling what del Carson is going to 411 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: do with that by the end of the day. Crime 412 00:25:54,240 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, here's another issue. So the 413 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: Lake of the azarcs it girl Liam Bauman, mom, she says, 414 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: cheer mom, mother of two real to her successful told 415 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: the witness she would go to the bank on Wednesday, 416 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 1: but a day later she was arrested by troopers after 417 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: the witness rated her out. Court documents say Bauman gasped 418 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: and blamed everything on the witness, claiming the witness was 419 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: a hustler who was trying to get money from her. Now, 420 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: see don't you hate that Carson deal? Carson, But no, 421 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: she's locked the defense into she's locked her lawyer into 422 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: a defense strategy. The defense strategy now has to be 423 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: that the informant is a hustler trying to get money 424 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: from her, because that's what she blurted out to cops. 425 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: You can't get around it. Well, clearly she is. And 426 00:26:55,600 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 1: she's a liar, the informant not telling the truth. Okay, 427 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: all right, here we go, guys. Her LinkedIn account mentions, 428 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: acting modeling, appearances on Days of Our Lives and Nike commercials. 429 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: And I will say this, Jackie, did you see her 430 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: book in photo? She even looks good in a book 431 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:18,959 Speaker 1: in photo. You know, her eyeliners a little little little smeary, 432 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: but she looks good. It's hard to look good in 433 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: a book in photo. But Leam Bauman manages to pull 434 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: it off. Well, she's not the first, and she certainly 435 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: Saatellite will not be the last to order a hit 436 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: if in fact she did it according to Dell Carston. 437 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: She didn't according to doctor Jerry Cross. And she's a narcissist. 438 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley says she's a hypocrite. Levi page, Levi page, 439 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 1: What do you say? Do they have any more evidence 440 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: than the CEI? The confidential informant well Nancy to try 441 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: to dispel the argument that this confidential informant was working 442 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: with law enforcement too and trap her. When this informant 443 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: was starting to feel guilty about this plot with LeAnn Bauman, 444 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,239 Speaker 1: she was going to call law enforcement and was going 445 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: to even call the mother in law, but she didn't 446 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: want law enforcement to get involved because Leanne Bauman had 447 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: connections with the local law enforcement there. So instead she 448 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: called her lawyer, and her lawyer handled this for her. 449 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 1: And the agency that is handling this is the Missouri 450 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 1: Highway Patrol and they're handling it to avoid a conflict 451 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: of interest because LeAnn Bauman is connected with so the 452 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: witness did have a leg to stand on. Again, she 453 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: won't be the first nor the last. Take a listen 454 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: to this. Jones was having an affair with the intended 455 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: victim's husband, who she worked with. She used the relative 456 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: anonymity of the dark web to hire a company called 457 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,239 Speaker 1: Sicilian Hitman International to kill his wife. All from her 458 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: quiet suburban displays apartment. But a network news organization investigating 459 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: the dark web stumbled down to the pl and reported 460 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: it to Woodridge Police. Without they're bringing this evidence to 461 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: law enforcement's attention, who knows how this case would have 462 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: ended up. She admitted that she had access to Hitman website. 463 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: Investigators found evidence of Bitcoin payments and communication between Jones 464 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: and the Hitman website on her laptop. There you go, 465 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: another woman joining us out from Chicago. You were just 466 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: hearing ABC seventy Chicago John Garcia describing Tina Jones having 467 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: an affair with a co worker and wanted a hitman. 468 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: Goes on the dark web two Sicilian Hitman International, which 469 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: is clearly fake, and tries to pay a hitman through Bitcoin, 470 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: and of course they would be hit of all hits. 471 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: Dahlia Dipolito, listen to this. ABC twenty twenty. Terry Parker, 472 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: investigative reporter for WPBF twenty five News, covered the story. 473 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: So this guy Muhammed walks into the Boy and Beach 474 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: police station and he says, I know a woman who's 475 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: trying to hire a hitman to kill her husbands. She 476 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: asked if finding someone who can kill her husband for her. 477 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: The man Mohammed Shahati was recorded as he talked to 478 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: detectives about his one time lover, Dahlia. To Polito, he 479 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: tells police he's speaking out to save the man's life. 480 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: He's scared for the gay. Yes, because she mean this 481 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: serious song getting this gun. It's quite a story if true, 482 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: because while he can describe Dahlias maybe five six five seven, dark, black, 483 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: care should looking girl, really good looking girl. Actually he 484 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: can't even tell cops her last name or her address. 485 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: By the time, we didn't know what to believe. We 486 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: were kind of, you know, weren't sure what we had. 487 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: They had the reservations. They had to say, let's see 488 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: some proof. To get proof, the cops make Mohammed a 489 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: confidential informant. He arranges to meet Dulia at this gas station. 490 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: Cops are staked out as their mystery woman arrives. And 491 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: that's exactly what Dale Carson Criminal defense Trinado Jackson was 492 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: saying that the say in this case, not Dollia di Poliito, 493 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: not Tina Jones, but Lee and Bauman's case is really 494 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: entrapping Bauman and it's out to make money. So you 495 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: really think del Carson, the informant will do all this 496 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: for fifteen hundred dollars. I mean that is amazing. You've 497 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: got to admit I mean, fifteen thousand I can see, 498 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: but fifteen no, I can't see that. But of course 499 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: the individual here is making an effort to connect this 500 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: woman to a crime. And who's more believable some woman 501 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: who knows how to get a hold of marijuana sales 502 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: or some woman who's the first lady of the osars. Well, 503 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: nobody said the CI Confidential format could find the pot. 504 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: She just assumed that's what Ballman wanted. And hey, that 505 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: leads me to another question. If I asked Jackie here 506 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: in the studio, hey, can you hook me up? I 507 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: doubt pretty seriously Jackie would think I wanted to smoke adobe? 508 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: You know. So why did this woman thy bomb? I 509 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: just wanted to get her mits on some good stuff? 510 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: Why is that? And it ain't over yet? Take a 511 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: listen to Emmy. Emmy had been in a messy split 512 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: with her husband, and at one point last year, a 513 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,719 Speaker 1: ranch hand working for her told police Emmy asked him 514 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: to quote take care of her husband's girlfriend. He told authorities, 515 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: Emmy asked him about quote, taking her out. He recorded 516 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: a call in which Emmy asked, quote, if he knew 517 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: anyone who could help get rid of her, nobody will 518 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: miss her. The ranch hand told police investigators he believed 519 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: Emmy was serious, and investigators also say when they searched 520 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: Emmy's computer, they found she had searched for quote, how 521 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: to get rid of the other woman for good. You 522 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: know what's interesting too, So many things Doctor Jory Crasen 523 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: book about to come out about stopping officers suicide. Doctor Crawsen, 524 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: you hear a lot about wanting to kill the husband, 525 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: kill the ex husband, But I've rarely seen a hit 526 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: ordered on a mother in law, on a little old 527 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: lady for Pete's sake. That just goes to show, you know, 528 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: how she really tries to settle problems. I mean, just 529 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: like they get rid of her, you know, not to 530 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: deal with it. Let's go sit down, let's talk, let's 531 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: do things at her, you know, logical and healthy. But 532 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: she immediately moves to this, I'm just going to have 533 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: her killed, and I'll make it look like an accident, 534 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: and then I'll go to church and ask for forgiveness, 535 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: and I can go sell more real estate property. That's simple. 536 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: Another issue too, Leavi Page. I understand that she wanted 537 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: to make the hit look quote accidental. What was the 538 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: accident supposed to be? We don't know that yet, But 539 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: when she was talking to this informant, she said that 540 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: she did not want the murder to be carried out 541 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: at the mother in law, the ex mother in law's 542 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: leg of Oozar Combs. She wanted it to be carried 543 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: out in another home, and that she wanted it to 544 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: look accidental. And the informant said, we can make it 545 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: look however you want it to be. They can carry 546 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: it out in whatever mode you want it to be 547 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: carried out in. You know, in the Dolly Dippolito case, 548 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: the cops actually made the scene look as if there 549 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 1: had been a murder and led the defendant, Dolly Dippolito, 550 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: down the garden path, telling her her husband actually been killed. 551 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 1: You know, this woman also refers to herself Leanne Bauman 552 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: as a cheer mom, And now I know why I'm 553 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,479 Speaker 1: looking at a picture of her where they're two little 554 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: girls dressed up in a cheerleader outfit at a ball field. 555 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: They look pretty young to doctor Jerry Cross, And what 556 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: effect is all this going to have on the two 557 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: little girls. Oh, it's gonna be devastating to think that 558 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 1: your mother tried to kill another family members. It's going 559 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: to be very difficult to deal with. So, you know, 560 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: isn't it true that at that age, doctor Craws and 561 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: the girls are getting to be ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen ish, 562 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,760 Speaker 1: you're going to have mother daughter conflicts because they're starting 563 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: to say things like no mom, and mommies don't like that. 564 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: But she, instead of dealing with it and accepting that 565 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: as part of a young girl growing up, wanted to 566 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: kill the mother in law. I mean, I can't even 567 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: think of violence befalling my in laws. About how the 568 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: children are going to have to you know, they're going 569 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: to go through this court case. This is going to 570 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: be probably you know, a couple of years, and as 571 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 1: the children grow, they're going to continue to be exposed 572 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: to this and they're going to have to deal with it. 573 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: You know, they're going to need to really be able 574 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 1: to sit down and talk therapeutically with a professional. You know. 575 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: Another issue Del Carson, criminal defense attorney, quote, do you 576 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: know anybody? And she wanted a quote hit man, somebody 577 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: to get rid of her. All joking aside, that's damning. 578 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: That is damn mean for Lee and Bauman. Right, if 579 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: it comes in, it's going to serve to acquire a 580 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: conviction for the prosecuting side, and so you don't want 581 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: it to come in, and you'll do what's necessary to 582 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: prevent it. Right. The good news in this scenario is 583 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: the mother in law lived, and now Lea and Bauman 584 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: is getting exactly what she hated to start with. Her 585 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: girls are spending even more time with the mother in law. 586 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: Will oh yeah, we wait as justice Unfalse Nancy Grace 587 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: crime story is signing off goodbye to