1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: We must seek the testimony under oath of January six. 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Central Player. This is a candidate who still denies the 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 1: outcome of the election. Time is up, jobs are down, 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: schools are worse, and the roads didn't get Bloomberg Sound 6 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: on Politics, Policy and perspective from DC's top name visitor 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: Johnson had to be set down by the FBI and 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: warned that he may be a Russian asset. The FBI 9 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: set me up with a corrupt briefing and then left 10 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: to smear. Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: Donald Trump response, Welcome to the fastest hour in politics, 12 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: as the former president sends an angry letter to the 13 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: January six committee following the vote to subpoena Trump for testimony. 14 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: We're joined on this Friday edition by Trump biographer and 15 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Opinion Senior Executive of editor Tim O'Brien. Later sparks 16 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: flying debates for Wisconsin Senate, head of Tonight's Brawl and 17 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: Georgia will get the score from Bloomberg National Politics reporter 18 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: Ryan Teague beckwith, and we'll talk out another wild week 19 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: with our signature panel Bloomberg Politics contributors Rick Davis, Genie 20 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: Chanzano or here for the hour we've heard from Donald 21 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: Trump following yesterday's January six Committee hearing, and we're joined 22 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: today in Washington by Tim O'Brien, Bloomberg Opinion, Senior executive 23 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: editor and author of Trump Nation, The Art of Being 24 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: the Donald. Tim, welcome to sound on. It's a pleasure 25 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: to be here. I know that you were watching and 26 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: writing about this week's January six Committee hearing. You were 27 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: deep in this yesterday. You've got a column up on it. 28 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: Donald Trump has responded with a fourteen page letter, if 29 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: I can call it, a letter to the committee chair, 30 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: Benny Thompson. It's headlined in all caps, the presidential election 31 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: of was rigged and stole an exclamation point. This was 32 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: after the Committee of Worse went to great lengths to 33 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: prove yesterday that Donald Trump knew he had lost the 34 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: election long before anything happened on January six. Here's Congresswoman 35 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 1: Liz Cheney. Claims that President Trump actually thought the election 36 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: was stolen are not supported by a fact and are 37 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: not a defense. There is no defense that Donald Trump 38 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: was duped or irrational. No president can defy the rule 39 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: of law and act this way in a constitutional republic period. 40 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: You know him as well as any journalists, as Donald 41 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: Trump convinced himself that the election was stolen. No, I 42 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: think in his heart of hearts, he absolutely doesn't believe 43 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: it was stolen. But he understands the uses and abuses 44 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: of perpetuating the big lie, which is I think it's 45 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,119 Speaker 1: one of the reasons he hangs onto it so closely. 46 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: He gets enormous traction out of this in different venues. 47 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: It keeps him center stage as a political figure. You know, 48 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: he's a media addict, so I think just remaining in 49 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: the blic eyes important to him. He fundraises off of 50 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: his political presence. I think he learned in the White 51 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: House the amount of money you could make is that 52 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: as a political figure. I don't think that was something 53 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: he was completely tuned into before he got into the 54 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: White House. And and lastly, it leaves him as a 55 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: kingmaker going into the election and into the mid terms. 56 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: There's a number of election deniers in the Republican Party 57 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: who are running. There was swarming the you know, both 58 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: the state houses. Was he looking that far ahead at 59 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 1: that period of time though, where he was just looking 60 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: for self reservation at John January six. Oh, I don't 61 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: think he was looking that far ahead. I think I 62 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: think he understood, he's always understood natively how conspiracy theories 63 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: can be used to promote his own needs or his 64 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: own worldview. He did that as a businessman in New York. Um. 65 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: You know, famously he got into these epic brawls with 66 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: Ed Cotch, then Mayor Ed Cotch of New York in 67 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: which you know, Coch was out to get him, and 68 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: that's why he wasn't getting zoned or Atlantic city regulators 69 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: hated him, and that's why his casinos were failing, and 70 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: the New York real estate community had it out for him, 71 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: and that's why he wasn't able to build bigger projects. 72 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: And and he just brought that into his political life, 73 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: and he brought that into uh uh, The Apprentice. There's 74 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: not a venue he's been in where he hasn't used 75 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: the idea of a conspiracy, conspiracy theory to self promote. 76 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: You know, most of Donald Trump's actions can either be 77 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: understood through two lenses, either self aggrandizement or self preservation. 78 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: And he uses conspiracy theories when it involves both of 79 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: those things, self preservation and self aggrandizement. I think January 80 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: six offered him in a way to avoid saying he lost. 81 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: It offered him a way to pollute people's faith in 82 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: the electoral process, and it kept him on stage for 83 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: longer than the otherwise would have been. He closes the 84 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: letter by defending the people who attack the capital on 85 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: the six, calling them great American patriots. Do you feel 86 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: like this whole exercise, and I know you've been watching 87 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: it very closely, All the time spent the worked on 88 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: with these committee hearings really didn't change much in American politics. 89 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: I don't know that they changed much in American politics. 90 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: I think there's very little right now. I think both 91 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: sides of the aisle are so ossified in their view 92 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: of one another that I don't think you'll see any 93 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: big electoral shifts from a hearing like this. But I 94 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: also don't think that's the most important outcome. I think 95 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: the letter that Donald Trump wrote today as yet another 96 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: admission of guilt. He is repeating the lie. He's praising 97 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: the insurrectionists on January six. He's showing no remorse. The 98 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: January six Committee has has presented mountains of evidence, video, audio, 99 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: witness testimony, witness testimony from Republicans, witness testimony from members 100 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: of Trump's own White House, all of which is substantiated. 101 00:05:54,800 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: Um the fact that he uh fomented the insurrection, he 102 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: helped orchestrate some of the events around it, and he 103 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: put members of Congress in danger as part of a 104 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: process to a corupt an electoral process. And I think 105 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: he needs to be held accountable for that. And um, 106 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: you know, when he's the most desperate and he's cornered, 107 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: he tends to make really egregious mistakes. In this letter 108 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: today is a big mistake because it's an admissible piece 109 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: of evidence. I think should he be prosecuted. Speaking of 110 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: some of the video and testimony, I want to ask 111 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: you about Roger Stone, who I know, you know well. 112 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: We heard from him repeatedly yesterday, in one case spelling 113 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: out the plan ahead of the election. Of course, I 114 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: had to bleep all of these cuts before we did this. 115 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: I suspect it will be I really just suspect it 116 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: will still be up in the air when that happens. 117 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: The key thing to do is to claim victory becaus 118 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: action is nine tenths of the law. No, we want him. Sorry, 119 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: you're wrong. Since yesterday's hearing, there is new video and 120 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to pull you into this. A very angry 121 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: Roger Stone on Joe Biden's what was Joe Biden's inauguration day. 122 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: He's in the car and Fort Lauderdale talking to someone 123 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: we don't know whom after Donald Trump refused to give 124 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: him a second pardon. The Danish filmmaker Christopher Gulbranson, who's 125 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: given a lot of video to the Committee, posted this 126 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: from his upcoming documentary. He says it was one of 127 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,119 Speaker 1: the few videos the Committee specifically requested but never used. 128 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: I will warn everyone this is not for the faint 129 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: of heart. Listen again to Rogerstone. Jared Kushner has an 130 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: i Q of seventy. He's coming to Miami. We will 131 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,119 Speaker 1: object him from Miami very quickly. He'll believe they very click, 132 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: very quickly, very quickly. He has a hundred security guards. 133 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: I'll have five thousand security guards. You want to fight, 134 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: let's fight THQ, you and your abortion his daughter. Shocking 135 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: statement referring to Ivanka Trump. There tim is this damaging 136 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: to Donald Trump or only to Rogerstone? I think it's 137 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: only damaging to Roger Stone and that small beer, because 138 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: at the end of the day rod or Stone will 139 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: be a witness and a possible prosecutorial target as part 140 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: of of an indictment um. But I think the larger 141 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: thing it reflects is how transactional. I think everyone in 142 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: Trump's world is it the orbit of people around him 143 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: are transactional. Because he's transactional. There's not much loyalty and 144 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: and and there's generally of what have you done for 145 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: me lately? Mentality, and if you don't do enough, either 146 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: by delivering money or favors um, they turn on one another. 147 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: And I actually think at the end of the day 148 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: that could end up being a valuable tool for prosecutors 149 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: to exploit if they need to start getting testimony and 150 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: witnesses from people closer and closer to the concentric circles 151 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: that surround Donald Trump. Do you believe Roger Stone was 152 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: the dot connecting the White House in groups like the 153 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. I think he was. I 154 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: think he was a inc for sure. I think Steve 155 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: Bannon was. You know, we know that we're there were 156 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: meetings in the Willard Hotel in the days prior to 157 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: the insurrection. We know that there was communication between Stone 158 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: and those militia groups, those militant groups. UM. So of 159 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: course he's an important part of the fact pattern. And 160 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: again I think it it's it's about putting clothing on 161 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: the larger picture of what occurred, UM, which was there 162 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: was a siege. The people who led the siege were armed. 163 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: It wasn't accidental. They weren't tourists, as some members of 164 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: the GOP have said they were. They were deadly. I 165 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: think certain about trying to achieve an outcome in Roger 166 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: Stone played a role in that Trump Nation came out 167 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: in two thousand five. A new edition was published in sixteen. 168 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: When you look at him now, how does he appear 169 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: different to you? His personality, his posture, his temperament. You know, 170 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: I don't think he has changed a bit. I think that, 171 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: you know, I think he's a more dangerous person by 172 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: virtue of the office he is held in this way 173 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: he holds over the electorate. Um. You know, he certainly 174 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: has a consequential presidency that puts him in the history 175 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: books in a way he wouldn't have been prior to 176 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: his presidency. And you know, one of his strengths as 177 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: a candidate with the people who support him is is 178 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: this sense that he's authentic, that he speaks um from 179 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: the heart about what he believes, and he's unfiltered, and 180 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: he's always been the same old guy. And he's really 181 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: been that way for a long time. You know, the 182 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: old New York Daily News gossip columnst. Liz Smith once 183 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: said to Meliz was from Texas, and she said to me, 184 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: she said, you know, honey, the only thing you ever 185 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: need to know about Donald Trump is that he's a 186 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: seven year old grown old and and basically, you know, 187 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: she knew him well, and she watched how he rolled 188 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: in New York and and he has been the same 189 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: person his whole life because he's never really had to 190 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: course correct. He was protected from the consequences of his 191 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: own mistakes when he was young by his family's well 192 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: and then as an adult by the celebrity that came 193 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: along with his media exposure, and then the Apprentice, and 194 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: now he's got this third sort of ring of fire 195 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: around him, the legal protections that come with political protections 196 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: that come with the presidency, and the Donald Trump you've 197 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: see now is an older version, you know, he's going 198 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 1: to be a seventy seven year old version of that 199 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: seven year old boy. Uh, come next June. But he's 200 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: pretty much the same guy. He does not have complex urges. 201 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: He you know, if you give him a sporting event, 202 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: a cheeseburger, and a dirty joke, he's pretty comfortable and 203 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: everything else is ancillary. Happy to see you in Washington. 204 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to be here. As always. I hope 205 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: you'll talk to us against soon on Bloomberg Sound Off. 206 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: Thank you. Tim O'Brien, Bloomberg's senior executive producer for Bloomberg 207 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: Opinion and of course Trump biographer the the book again, 208 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: Trump Nation, The Art of Being the Donald, which feels 209 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 1: as relevant as ever in two Let's assemble the panel next. 210 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: Are both with us today, Rick and Jennie. I'm Joe Matthew. 211 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg Son on with Joe 212 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: Matthew on Bloomberg Radio, the fastest hour in politics. This 213 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: day we hear from Donald Trump himself. Took less than 214 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: twenty four hours and a fourteen page letter in which 215 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: he says he's writing to quote express our anger, disappointment 216 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: and complaint that with all the hundreds of millions of 217 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: dollars spent on what many considered to be a charade 218 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: in which Hunt We assemble the panel now, Rick Davis 219 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: and Jeannie Schanzano, Bloomberg Politics contributors, Rick, welcome back. We 220 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: obviously spent some time yesterday on the January six committee 221 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: that concluded with this vote to subpoena Donald Trump. His 222 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 1: response today was referred to by Tim O'Brien as a 223 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: letter of admission. Do you see it the same way? Uh? Yeah, 224 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: could be. I think that this concept of admission of guilt, 225 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: when he continues to spread the big lie and double 226 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: down on what he knows to be a false narrative, 227 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: is uh is an admission of guilt. I'm not sure 228 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: that changes anything, but I think you could have said that, 229 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, a year half, a year and a half ago, 230 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: you know, on on January seven, And so it is 231 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 1: who Donald Trump is. I thought, you know, Tim Olbrine 232 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: did a great job of characterizing Donald Trump as a 233 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: guy who can't take the blame, can't apologize, can't admit defeat. 234 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just not in his d n A. 235 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: So he is who we've always known him to be, 236 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: and this is just an addition to the stack of 237 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: falsehoods that he claims to be who he is. Fourteen 238 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: pages out today, Genie, we also got more footage today, Uh, 239 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: some extended clips from what we saw yesterday and the 240 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: hearing something that we didn't see or hear at all 241 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: like that uh piece I played from Roger Stone a 242 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: bit year and I can only imagine the phone calls 243 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: that he's getting today. More from Nancy Pelosi though, as 244 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: you as you likely heard, uh, she was ready to 245 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 1: punch Donald Trump and said so as we all understand now, 246 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: he was had every intention to go to the Capitol 247 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: that day. Wait for this for trust passing on the 248 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: Capitol ground. Punch him out. I'm gonna go to jail. 249 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be happy, gonna punch him out, Go to 250 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: jail and be happy. She's seen in another clip, Jeannie 251 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: talking to Vice President Mike Pants and they're at Fort McNair. 252 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: This is where they were hiding. Her daughter's taking footage 253 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: of this whole conversation as they're working the phones. She's 254 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: got the mask and pulls the mass down and eats 255 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: a slim jim. She not really a slim jim. She 256 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: actually takes the wrapper off with her teeth while she's 257 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: talking to Mike pants listen to okay, and that calls back, Okay, 258 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: I worry about you being in that Capital room. Don't 259 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: let anybody know where you are. Really to Trump to 260 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: punch Trump, Genie, and and was was really looking out 261 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: from Mike Pence in that moment. It's a remarkable moment 262 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: in time that's captured here on video. Yeah, how long 263 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: before Slim Jim puts that out as a commercial. That's 264 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: a darn good commercial that should come out. You know, 265 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: I was struck because you know, I had to read 266 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: this letter thoroughly so I could talk to you. Um 267 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: the fourteen pages that Donald Trump put out. The one 268 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: thing that really, you know, stuck with me and struck 269 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: me about it was he seemed bothered by the footage 270 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: you were talking about about Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer 271 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: and the you know, this bipartisan group of congressional leaders 272 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: requesting help from law enforcement officials. Because in his letter, 273 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: one of the things he claims over and over again 274 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: is I did fully authorized National Guard troops. There's no 275 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: record of this. This is what he says. And he 276 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: says that I did take this action, and Nancy Pelosi 277 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: refused to allow it. So, you know, it reminded me 278 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: of Ronald Reagan say saying, you know, they don't listen 279 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: to what you say, but they certainly look at the pictures. 280 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: And Donald Trump seems stuck on this video that Alexandra 281 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: Pelosi took and these other filmmakers and the fact that 282 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: it was shown in the Committee has done such a 283 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: good job with this footage is what really seems to 284 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: have stuck in his crass, if you will. Yeah, we 285 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: heard from this, uh, this moment yesterday as she's on 286 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: the phone calling for help, calling for the police. I 287 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: have something to say, Mr Secretary. Well, I'm gonna call 288 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: the mayor of Washington, d C. Right now and see 289 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: what other outs on the phone with the Secretary of Defense. 290 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: He was on the phone with the Attorney general. Does 291 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: that blunt the Republican argument that we've been here quite 292 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: often rick from a leadership, that that Nancy Pelosi did 293 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: not fulfill her duty to call for help. Yeah, I 294 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: think this sort of lays to rest the other big lie, 295 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: which is somehow you know, Nancy Pelosi was complicit in 296 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: letting you know, these uh marauders into the Capitol and 297 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: not willing to uh to fortify it. So again, I mean, 298 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: we're just we're just picking around the edges. Um. You know, 299 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: there's there's seditious conspiracy trials already happening. I think the 300 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: looms off the rose as to what actually occurred that 301 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: day and who was trying to return the capital to 302 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: a stable place and who was actually trying to disrupt 303 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: the election count. So um, you know, I think I 304 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: think the committee did a really good job of keeping 305 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: all our interests all the way to the last um minute. 306 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: And uh, frankly, I think that the report will be consequential, 307 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: and whether they refer it to the Justice Department for 308 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: prosecution is going to be I think the last remaining 309 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: question left on the on the committee. But the reality 310 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: is they've done a great job of laying down what 311 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: the facts are of what occurred on January six, the 312 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: lead up to it, and and a little bit about 313 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: you know, what's been the impact sinceon Rick. You have 314 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: unique history with Roger Stone. You've worked around him, uh 315 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: and with him in another life he has uh, he's 316 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: certainly taken on a new persona at this point of 317 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: his career. You heard that clip of him to a 318 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: the anger that you heard on the phone. Uh, what 319 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: happens to Roger Stone? And what does Donald Trump think 320 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: of this? First, I would have to say, that's the 321 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: Roger Stone I met when he became the head of 322 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,719 Speaker 1: the Young Republicans in the nineties seventies, right. So, actually, 323 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: Roger Stone hasn't changed a bit. This is this is 324 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: exactly the m oh. You know, he gets the temporary rolling, 325 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: he talks himself into a tirade. You know, he uses 326 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: enormous amounts of profanity and and sort of this machine 327 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: gun style of screaming and uh and so it just 328 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: actually was a little bit convulsive to me that you know, 329 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: I've been in a room when I've seen that, and 330 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 1: it's not pretty. Uh So, so this is who he 331 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: is and and and frankly, you know, the American public 332 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: has already made the judgment about him. Trump's not going 333 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: to testify, is he, Jennie, No, he's not. And let's 334 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: not forget Roger Stone's big Nixon tattoo on his back, 335 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: the smiling Nixon is there that that's that's right, and 336 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: the big pot leaf as well. We need to hear 337 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: a lot more from Jennie and Rick, and we will 338 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: that you're all our our signature panel. This is Bloomberg 339 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: broadcasting live from our nation's capital, Bloomberg to New York, 340 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: Bloomberg eleven Frio to Boston, Bloomberg one oh six one 341 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: to San Francisco, Bloomberg nine sixty to the Country Serious 342 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,959 Speaker 1: x M General one nine and around the globe the 343 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business app and Bloomberg Radio dot Com. This is 344 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew. They say the Herschel 345 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: Walker Raphael Warnock debate tonight could set a ratings record. 346 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: It's one to pop the corn for. It's amazing what 347 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 1: a scandal can do for a political program. And this 348 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: follows to chippy debates last night in which denying of 349 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: the election and activities on January six were looming large. 350 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: We'll talk about that Wisconsin Senate debate and the Michigan 351 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: gubernatorial debate. Coming up with Ryan Ti with First, you 352 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: Couldn't escape last night, the references to Trump to January six, 353 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: to election denying in Wisconsin. It was the second round 354 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: for Ron Johnson Mandela Barnes. The Senate debate in January six, 355 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: was at hand. You'll hear Johnson followed by Barnes here 356 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: immediately and forcefully and repeatedly condemned the violence from January six. 357 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: Unlike my opponent, it has to be said that he 358 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: called those folks patriots. He called them tourists, the people 359 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: who were beating up police officers in the United States Capital, 360 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: the people that were there to protect him. And it 361 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: wasn't just in that debate, it was top of mine 362 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: in a gubernatorial debate. But that's where we are with 363 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: Trump picked candidates out there. Look no further than Tutor Dixon, 364 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: who was of course debating last night with Governor Gretchen 365 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: Whitmer in Michigan. I think it's really ironic when Mrs 366 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: Dixon stands here and says that she will accept the 367 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: vote the will of the people. This is a candidate 368 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: who will denies the outcome of the election. This is 369 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: a candidate who will not pledge to accept the outcome 370 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: of the November eighth election. Never mind, and what might follow? 371 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: Ryan take back with his Bloomberg's National Politics Reporter, and 372 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: he's done a great job covering the sort of election 373 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: deny your aspect to this mid term race in fact, 374 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: he's been following them very closely. And I know you 375 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: wrote a recent one, UH fourteen Republican candidates actively fought 376 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: to overturn the twenty election, Ryan Welcome. Ron Johnson was 377 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: not one of those fourteen, But if you watch that 378 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: debate last night, you might have wondered, how important has 379 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: this election denying UH storyline, ben when we see some 380 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: candidates run away from it and others embrace it. Johnson's 381 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: in a weird position because he was a senator who 382 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: said ahead of January six that he would object a certification. 383 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: After the violence broke out, he actually reversed course and 384 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: to certify. And so where he's getting hit here is 385 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: some of his remarks where he's, you know, not totally 386 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,959 Speaker 1: condemned it and is a little loose. But we actually 387 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: didn't include him on our list because at the end 388 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: of the day he did certify the election. Understood, Tutor 389 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: Dixon is is a different UH type of candidate and 390 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: one that much more fits the Maga moles. She's embraced that, 391 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: right yeah, as she is a During the election, like 392 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: right after the election, she was on social media tweeting 393 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: heavily about how this was a fraud and whatnot UM 394 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: in the primary. She was embracing that. When it looked 395 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: like she was going to win the primary, shortly before 396 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: the primary was over, she came out and tried to 397 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: start backpedaling it before she'd actually got the nomination. She 398 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: took a hit from the right on that UM. But 399 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: she's also been in kind of an awkward position. They're 400 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: not fully able to walk away from it because it's 401 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: a really hard thing to walk away from UM. And 402 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: so so whitmer is is, you know, using that as 403 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: a cudgel against her. That said, it's not a huge 404 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: issue in these two races as much as it is 405 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: in some other races. Well, that's fair enough. We haven't 406 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: talked about the Doug Mastriano's of the world in this conversation, 407 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: but you've been looking down ballot as well. And I 408 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: don't know if that's what you're you're leading as to, Ryan, 409 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: but it's pretty important when you consider the Secretary of 410 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: State races, uh that we're gonna watch unfold in a 411 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: couple of weeks here, where we could have MAGA and 412 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: election denying that goes way beyond a guy named Donald Trump, 413 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: where we could have actual officials running the electoral system 414 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: inside states who believe that the twenty election was stolen, right, 415 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: and that will be the Those are the ones that 416 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: I'm the most closely watching. The governor is race in Wisconsin, 417 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: and the secretary of state races in Nevada and Arizona, 418 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: and UH in Minnesota, and then um the governor offense 419 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: Lvania obviously appoints the Secretary estate there, but Mastriano appears 420 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: to be losing, so he's not one of the ones 421 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: that I'm watching super closely at the moment. Pretty incredible. 422 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: What do you expect tonight in Georgia? Is it possible 423 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: to predict what's going to happen on that stage? Herschel 424 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: Walker and the Reverend This is as close to like 425 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: when Trump was on the debate stage and you really 426 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: just didn't know. This is not a professional politician, as 427 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: he reminds us on a near daily basis. Uh, And 428 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: so really anything could happen. He is it is. It 429 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: is definitely going to be a contrast debate because I 430 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: mean literally a revel boy, somebody got in the way 431 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: of what Ryan was saying. Come on back, Ryan, I 432 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: wanted to hear you finish that because I'm pretty sure 433 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: I know where you're going there. Although, if you have 434 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: been listening to this program recently, Republican leadership by way 435 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: of Senator Rick Scott has been ready to roll with 436 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: the bow on Reverend Warnock. They say that he abused 437 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: his wife and there's been a lot of stuff out there. 438 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: Whether herschel Walker goes there is another question, and whether 439 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: Raphael Warnock goes on the offense is another one as well. 440 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: Uh did we lose Ryan? I guess we're not getting 441 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: him back. Rick and Junior with us our signature panel, 442 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: and I was looking forward to talking about this with them. Yeah, 443 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: bring Ryan back if we can, because we've got the 444 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,479 Speaker 1: debate here. We'll be we'll be uh dissecting the herschel 445 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: Walker Raphael Warnock debate on Monday, and Uh, you know 446 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: we're all gonna pop the corn, like I said, later 447 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: and watch it. Uh, Rick, what do you think of 448 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: this race in Wisconsin? I don't know if you had 449 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: a chance to see Ron Johnson and Mandela Barnes go 450 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 1: at it. Um. Ron Johnson was being laughed at, uh 451 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: from time to time. Listen to him talk about the 452 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: FBI set up as he said and listen to the crowd. 453 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: In response to the wild charge of we'll try, Governor Barnes, 454 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: the FBI set me up with a corrupt with a 455 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,959 Speaker 1: corrupt briefing and then lead back to smear me. I 456 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: am sorry, I'm sorry. He is referring to corruption with 457 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: the m f FBI, which I've been trying to uncover 458 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: and expose. So do we have time for please? Audience 459 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: places after Bandella, Barnes accused him of of essentially being 460 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: a Russian agent. He was, Uh, the FBI sat down 461 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: with him to talk about peddling misinformation from Russia. Did 462 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: Ron Johnson do himself any favors last night, Rick? Uh? No. 463 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: In fact, I think the crowd reaction is exactly what 464 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: you wanted to play there, because, first of all, this 465 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: was a crazy, wild crowd at the debate. If there 466 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: is a argument for studio debates with no audience, this 467 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: was that was it. Uh. It was really out of control. 468 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: But the fact that he would try to make a 469 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: serious point about this and defend himself and people laughed 470 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: out loud. I think it was amazing. Uh talk about 471 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: self correcting. Yeah, boy, it was really something. It was 472 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: like there was a laugh track it was like watching 473 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: the Honeymooners, but it was a political debate. We're gonna 474 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: keep with the panel and I'll let you know what 475 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 1: he was reacting to when he said that to Mandela 476 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: Barnes last night. Also, Senator Mike Lee sends out a 477 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: cry for help, and his name is Mitt Romney. We'll 478 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: have more on it next on The Fastest Hour in Politics. 479 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. So, yeah, 480 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: when you're having a prime time US Senate debate and 481 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: it sounds like there's a sitcom laugh track in the room, 482 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: something isn't going the way you planned it. Welcome to 483 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: the Fastest Hour in Politics. Rick Davis and Jeanie Schanzino 484 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: are signature panel here on a Friday. I'm Joe Matthew 485 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: and Washington. Awfully glad you came along as we wait 486 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: for the next round of debates. Tonight, we're spending some 487 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: time in Wisconsin. We're Mandela Barnes, the Democratic nominee Lieutenant governor, 488 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: went after Senator Ron Johnson on what he saw as 489 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: spreading disinformation about Russia and in fact cozying up to 490 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin. Here's how it started. We have someone Senator Johnson, 491 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: who wants praise Putin as a smart guy. Now, if 492 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: Putin is successful in Ukraine, he's going to encroach a 493 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: more Tiretory'd also be a green light to other autocratic leaders. 494 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: There was also an instance where Senator Johnson had to 495 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: be set down by the FBI and warned that he 496 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: may be a Russian asset. We can't trust. We cannot 497 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: trust Senator Johnson to protect democracy abroad because we can't 498 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: even trust Senator Johnson to protect democracy here at home. Well, 499 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: Senator Johnson wasn't having any of it. As you hear 500 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: in response to the wild charge of Lieutenant Governor Barnes, 501 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: the FBI set me up with a corrupt with a 502 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: corrupt briefing and then lead back to mirror me. I am, 503 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. He is preferring to corruption with 504 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: the MPI, which I've been trying to uncover and expose. 505 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: So do we have time for please? Audience, please, please 506 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: audience please. I mean you could say you could say 507 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: anything with a laugh track like that and it'll sound funny. 508 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: You know, I think I'm having a heart attack. Let's 509 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: reassemble the panel. Rick and Genie are with us here. Rick, 510 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: to your point, this thing got a bit out of control. Genie. 511 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: Was it a win for Mandela Barnes. I think the 512 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: point was scored there. I would like a laugh track 513 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: by the way, Joe Matthew please anytime you want, thank you. No, 514 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: you know, I think in that particular instance, you know, 515 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: Barnes obviously got the upper hand. I think all in 516 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: all for the debate, um, I think it was an 517 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: even split. I don't think uh, you know, either one 518 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: of them changed the trajectory of the race. And and 519 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: you know it's a race that's very very tight. It 520 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: should not be, but it is, and we should you know, 521 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: be clear, this is not the first time Ron Johnson 522 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: has made slips. Whether this was a slip or not. 523 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy who last month on 524 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: Fox said he condoned white supremacy and then quickly said 525 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: I meant condemned. So you know he has done this 526 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: over and over and over again, and he did it 527 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: in the debate last night. So it's not a surprise. Rick. 528 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: You've been through enough debates. You know, you get to 529 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: the end and they want you to say something nice. Right, 530 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: we did that last night, says kiddy. Is something nice 531 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: about each other? Something you appreciate about one another. Listen 532 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: to how this unfolded. And I'm gonna ask you next, 533 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: rick if likability really is a quality in a race 534 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: like this, the Barnes you go first. What do you 535 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: find admirable about your opponent? Well, no, no, seriously, I 536 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: do think. You know, the senator has proven to be 537 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: a family man, and I think that's that's admirable. Um, 538 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: you know, that's absolutely to be respected. He speaks about 539 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: his family, He's done a lot to provide for them, 540 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: the family. That's that's Johnson. I mean likewise, I appreciate 541 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: the fact that govern Barnes had loving parents, school teacher, father, word, 542 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: third shift, so he had he had, you know, good upbringing. 543 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: I guess what puzzles me about that is, with that upbringing, 544 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: why is he turned against America? I mean what, why 545 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: why does he find that we did not? I said 546 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: we said something admirable. It wasn't just laughing. Rickett was 547 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: bowing last night. Yeah, they call that a contrast. Ad 548 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: I mean, like, you can't say something nice about someone 549 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: and then close with the smack in the face. I mean, 550 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: I actually credit to the moderator. Uh. You know, you 551 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: don't see that asked very often. I think it was 552 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: a wonderful question. And and and yet they couldn't hold 553 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: it together, right, They couldn't actually say nice things about 554 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: one another. I mean, Barnes got away with it and 555 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: did a good job, but like he says, Johnson could 556 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: not force himself to close positive and uh, and and look, 557 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: I think those are the kinds of things that you 558 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: saw the reaction to the audience. You want to come 559 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: out of a debate where people say, you know what, 560 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: he's he's kind of like me. He's got my values, 561 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: he's he's got my interests in mind. He's he's not 562 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: like the strange dude in Washington or lieutenant governor who 563 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, doesn't share my values. And so I do 564 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: think that Johnson had a problem connecting with that audience, 565 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: which means he probably had a problem connecting with the 566 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: audience on television and on radio, and and and and 567 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: that is a problem for him because you know, when 568 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: you're an incumbent and you're only leading by you know, 569 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: margin of error, and you're nowhere near fifty percent, you 570 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: have a problem going into election day. Yeah, well, the 571 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: poll of polls, it real clear has Johnson up by 572 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: almost three points. That's the spread here. Uh does does 573 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: he keep the seat? Rick? Look, I think it's really 574 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: problematic because in addition to being up by three, he's 575 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: nowhere near fifty right, And so when you look at 576 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: an incumbent, he should be at fifty percent or fifty 577 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: one percent or going into the stage of the election. 578 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: If he's up, that means there's a pretty healthy number 579 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: of people if he's only in the mid forties who 580 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: can vote on election day and say you're out of here. Yeah, Genie, 581 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: can Democrats flip this? They can? You know. I think 582 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: if I had advised, um, you know, Johnson, I would 583 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,959 Speaker 1: have told him to focus a lot more on the 584 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: issue of crime. He did some of that, but a 585 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: lot more on the issue of crime and inflation. Um. 586 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: Then he seemed to be able to do because I 587 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: think that's where Mandela Barnes has become vulnerable and we 588 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: have seen Johnson take up. But to Rick's point, he's 589 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: in within the margin. Vera Barnes has a very good shot. 590 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: And Barnes is the lieutenant governor. He's been elected statewide. 591 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: He's somebody they know, and so that has played to 592 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: his advantage, although again he's still a little bit behind 593 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: at this point. I want to ask you both about 594 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: the Utah Senate race, which hasn't really gotten a lot 595 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: of coverage, nothing like Georgia, Pennsylvania, Ohio. UH Senator Mike 596 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: Lee is you know, he's getting worried. This is a 597 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: pretty close race and there isn't a heck of a 598 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: lot of polling around it. Maybe we'll get into that 599 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 1: in a second here, but now he's he's concerned about 600 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,919 Speaker 1: Evan McMullan, the Independent, and he's looking for help from 601 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: the other senator, this guy named Mitt Romney, who has 602 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: decided to stay neutral in this race because he says 603 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: he's friends with both of them. Will Mike Lee went 604 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: on Fox News to tell Tucker Carlson that he needed 605 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: to help. You put the cry out on national television. 606 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: If you'd like to protect the Republican majority, give us 607 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: any chance of seizing the Republican majority once again, getting 608 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: it away from the Democrats who were facilitating this massive 609 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: spending spree and a massive inflationary binge. Please get on board. 610 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: Help me win re election. Help us do that and 611 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: you can get your entire family to donate to me. 612 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: Uh rick, is that a strategy? That is not a 613 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: strategy that is a tactic. I think the strategy would 614 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: have been to coalesced the Republican Party around him along 615 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: time him ago. Now it's a you know, throw me 616 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: a throw me, throw me a ring of safety. But um, 617 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: you know, look, I mean he's in trouble. I mean 618 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: Trump won the state by twenty one points, and the 619 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: most I've seen is he's at two percent uhent for 620 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: an incumbent in a state where Trump won by marginal 621 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: twenty one points is like a really troubling thing thirty 622 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: days out. So uh, look, I think there's zero chance 623 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: at Mitt Romney helps the guy. They've been uh not 624 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 1: very close Uh colleagues uh in in Utah in the 625 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 1: Senate and Evan McMullan is a friend of Mits, And uh, 626 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: I think that's the kind of thing that's gonna be 627 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: troubling for Mike Lee down the stretch. So could he 628 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 1: also hurt himself by by making himself look desperate here Jeannie? 629 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: Or or is he gonna get a lot of five 630 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: dollar donations from Late night Fox viewers. I don't know 631 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: that desperation is a great campaigning, you know, and that's 632 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,240 Speaker 1: exactly what this sounds like. You know, Please Mitch, please 633 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: help me. Um ermt um, you know. And I think 634 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: the problem here with his argument is that he's not 635 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: running against a Democrat. He's running against an independent in McMullan. 636 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,439 Speaker 1: And so, you know, while he wants to talk about 637 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: democratic spending and he's got a point there, the reality 638 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: is this is an independent versus a Republican and that 639 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 1: makes this call in this plea that much harder. And 640 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 1: he has also does his closeness to Donald Trump, which 641 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: is not something that meant Romney has been responsive to. 642 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: How do you read into this Republican versus independent I know, 643 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: Utah is it's Utah here, Rick, but this is not 644 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: a Republican versus democratic race. How does that complicate the 645 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: strategy for a Republican who's seeking independent votes. I think 646 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: it's a little complicated because Mike Lee has been a 647 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: pretty good defender lately. Uh, not so much early in 648 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,399 Speaker 1: the Trump administration, but certainly lately he's been a big 649 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: defender of Donald Trump and and and I think that 650 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: has divorced him from some of these independent voters. It's 651 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: the reason why Mike uh Evan McMullen has been able 652 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: to pile them on and be as competitive as he is. Uh. 653 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: That being said, he's got another problem is he actually 654 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: voted for Mike Lee. Voted for Evan McMullen for president 655 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: in his home state against Donald Trump and six. I mean, 656 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot of splaining to do with this guy. 657 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: I mean to say he's a little inconsistent is probably 658 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: the understatement of the decade. So his messaging has been 659 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: all over the map. Mike Lee, he should he hasn't 660 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: focused on the primary issues that you should in a 661 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,720 Speaker 1: state like that, which is, you know right now, the economy, 662 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: the economy, the economy and uh. And so unless he 663 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,720 Speaker 1: has a very strong finish, this thing is not about money. 664 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: Money is not going to determine the outcome of this race. 665 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 1: Mike Lee has to find a coalition it's willing to 666 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:40,399 Speaker 1: get him closer to Alright, seven pm Eastern time, Friday night, 667 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 1: fight in Savannah. In our remaining minute, here predictions for 668 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: the fight. Jeanie Schanzano, Oh, it's going to be a throwdown. 669 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: This has got to be the most consequential debate. We've 670 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: seen this cycle, if not in several years. I am 671 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 1: so excited. I'm going to make my popcorn right when 672 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: this is over. And I think it is all about 673 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,280 Speaker 1: Walker in this case, you know, can he prove people 674 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: wrong that he does have the chops to pull it off? 675 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: And let's not forget it's his first time debating. He's 676 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 1: had some preparation, but it's his first time. That's a 677 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: tough task. Predictions for the fight, Rick Davis, I'm not 678 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: staying up late. There's a better baseball game on on 679 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: the West coast, all right. Well, to quote Mr t 680 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 1: I'll say pain great panel and great to have Rick 681 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: and Genie back together as always. That's why you're here, right, 682 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: have a great weekend, enjoy the debate. Will do this 683 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: again on Monday on the fastest hour in politics. I'm 684 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg