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Speaker 1: Maintain that emotional connection is very important. My next guest

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Speaker 1: is on the phone is Camera and Kirkland, also known

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Speaker 1: as Camp Kirk. He has been impacting music through his creativity,

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Speaker 1: being behind the scenes and behind the camera while in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: His passion for photography and videography has allowed him to

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Speaker 1: produce work for Young Jeez, t I, Bumby, Tank, school Board,

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Speaker 1: many many more. His work has been recognized and published

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Speaker 1: in Spend Magazine, Vice Magazine, Complex Magazine, The Source, Pitchfork,

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Speaker 1: and many many more. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations,

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Speaker 1: Cam kirk Yeah, yeah, thanks for having me. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me, all right to my friend, Uh, did I

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Speaker 1: leave it the thing out there? Cam? Because you know

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Speaker 1: you got a lot to offer, But bro, you got

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Speaker 1: a lot to offer. Yeah, I definitely that. That definitely

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Speaker 1: little more of the entrepreneurial work I've been doing on

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Speaker 1: the business side. But that was definitely a great intro. Man,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Well, let's get into the this is

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Speaker 1: money making conversations just about entrepreneurship. Let's get into that.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna I got a range of questions here, and

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Speaker 1: they send in questions I did. I try to do

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Speaker 1: to definitely discover this definitely handled your photography side and

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Speaker 1: How do you make money, cam Kirk? How do you

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Speaker 1: make money? Wow, that's a very complex question, but I'll

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Speaker 1: I make money a number of different ways. I make

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Speaker 1: money obviously off the service that I provide to and artists,

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Speaker 1: off the brand that is Camp Kirk, and I do

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Speaker 1: that through a number of different ways, everything from merchandise

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Speaker 1: I've done that a number of times, where a brand

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Speaker 1: boy looks like the rest of us, you know, trying

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Speaker 1: to find not only find his way, let's find himself.

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Speaker 1: And in the process of doing that, not only does

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Speaker 1: he slipped and trip and fall, but things happened to

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Speaker 1: him that aren't always his fault, but again because of

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Speaker 1: his an ability to have land, to be self sufficient,

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Speaker 1: you know, in a more significant way. At his age,

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Speaker 1: he's still not able really to problem solved and adapt

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Speaker 1: and come out on top as much uh as he

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Speaker 1: as he should or has as well as frequently as

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Speaker 1: he should. You know. In my opinions, absolutely on um

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Speaker 1: and it's tough not to judge. So what I want

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Speaker 1: to do is always show us like um Stamer's like,

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Speaker 1: that's why I came up with the hashtag tray for Jika,

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Speaker 1: because it's not about pitty that it is about let's

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Speaker 1: stand behind him, let's pray to him, Let's let's like

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Speaker 1: encourage him to grow and evolve and move forward. And

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Speaker 1: let's also accepted as he is, because there's a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of men you and I know well try to

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Speaker 1: act like it got it going on way more than

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Speaker 1: actually had to go on. And now we get the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to look behind the veil and see what's really

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Speaker 1: going on. Absolutely, that's why I love the character. That's

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Speaker 1: why I love the character. Would have all together, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love the characters all together. And now it plays

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Speaker 1: out itself in a in a big way and so

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Speaker 1: many layers, and like I said earlier, about the show,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's it's just a dynamic cast of

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Speaker 1: people that you're familiar with. Uh that that that that

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Speaker 1: great writing allow you guys to to and I think

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Speaker 1: any great show, and I'm gonna put the word great

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Speaker 1: on this because I enjoy I remember the character they're

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Speaker 1: so uh fleshed out, so so detailed, so so personable.

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Speaker 1: So when when you look at the show in the

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Speaker 1: in the life of the show, and then like I said,

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Speaker 1: this last episode ended when she said, when you know,

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Speaker 1: when Grace was talking to Lady May. Lady May's played

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Speaker 1: by Lynn Winfield, who is the lead dominant force. There

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Speaker 1: is a female dreamer show, by the way, because everything

466
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Speaker 1: arcs through right now currently arcs through these through the

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Speaker 1: women of the show and how they are very manipulative, controlling,

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Speaker 1: how they really I remember like Crissa and uh and

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Speaker 1: Lady May actually got in a little fight almost like

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Speaker 1: a little fight going on, everybody about to go to

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Speaker 1: blows and then uh, then and then the bishop walked

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Speaker 1: in the room, and then later me and go shut up,

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Speaker 1: don't act left, nothing went down wrong, and then he goes, oh,

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Speaker 1: y'all having a good time, and then Carriso had to

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Speaker 1: bow down to the Lady May and then Cristo because

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Speaker 1: Christa thinks she's about to move out. But the one

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Speaker 1: of the last lines in the series, because Chrissa came

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Speaker 1: there really to talk lit Hey, I'm out, don't need

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Speaker 1: you no more, Lady May, I got me and my

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Speaker 1: man we go, I'm tired of you. And then and

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Speaker 1: then oh my god, that went back on the job,

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Speaker 1: you know, and showed up behind everybody, only to find

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Speaker 1: out she got one of the numbers wrong, scratched off. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a good way. That's a good way not to

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Speaker 1: tell because I want people to watch the show. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to give away great part of the show

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Speaker 1: because it's very good. I'm talking about man, Mr Walker,

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Speaker 1: he's my boy. I've been knowing it for many years. Lamart.

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Speaker 1: I gotta get you back on the show to talk

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Speaker 1: about your ten year anniversary. But we spent all our

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Speaker 1: time talking about this great show. Please please come back

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Speaker 1: on the show. Ten years coming up. You know what

493
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Speaker 1: you mean to me, you know what you're staying for.

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Speaker 1: Let's keep telling the world how great you are. Man. Actually,

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Speaker 1: and I actually continue blessings and you know macniflons to YouTube. Man,

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Speaker 1: you know love what you're doing and you know can't

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Speaker 1: went to uh see you do even more and watch

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Speaker 1: what you're doing. Continue to grow and evolved. Man. You know,

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Speaker 1: tell lady may I say Hi? Tell Phil he's a lackey.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more from March McDonald and

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Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations. Don't touch that dot. Money Making Conversations

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Speaker 1: continues online at www dot money Making Conversations dot com,

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Speaker 1: and follow Money Making Conversations on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram.

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Speaker 1: It's been a it's been a ten month hunt, but

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Speaker 1: I finally got my next guest on the show. She

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Speaker 1: is an American comedian. That's what I went to Wikipedia.

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Speaker 1: That's what they said, American comedian. That's like you know,

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Speaker 1: you know you got a Wikipedia intro when you say

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Speaker 1: American comedian, actress, this jockey, recording artist, producer, writing, writer,

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Speaker 1: and radio personality. Her career is on fire. If I've

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Speaker 1: been trying to give us since January, her career is

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Speaker 1: on fire. You may recognize as a character Tiffany from

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Speaker 1: the popular HBO series Insecure or HBO stand up special

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Speaker 1: I'll Be Knowing, or as the host of NBC stand

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Speaker 1: up comedy show competition, Bring the Funny she is. She

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Speaker 1: is on the show today to talk about her new book,

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Speaker 1: Small Doses Got in My Hands right Now, Potent Truth

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Speaker 1: Everyday use. The book engages in powers and enlightened readers

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Speaker 1: on how to find their truths whilst while still finding

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Speaker 1: the funny. Please, welcome to money making Conversations. Amanda Seals, Hi,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Well, first of all, what you're

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Speaker 1: not gonna do to me? A Manda? It was that little,

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Speaker 1: that little low key person. Now I've read this book,

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Speaker 1: I've seen you on stage. I gotta bring the fire

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Speaker 1: on my shop. Oh it's the up It's the up story.

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Speaker 1: It's been the up story. Now let's talk about TV show.

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Speaker 1: Oh good god. It means it means you're you're earning

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Speaker 1: your money. And now we're gonna promote now this book.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna just tell you, first of all, out of

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Speaker 1: the blue, let me just talk about how you came

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Speaker 1: into my life. Okay, and um, I always kind of

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Speaker 1: knew about you. People have told me. I keep my

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Speaker 1: hand my tentacles out there about who's funny, But I'm

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Speaker 1: always searching for the funny female. This has a story

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Speaker 1: to talk. And so I'm sitting at the house just

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Speaker 1: going through, scanning through and just scanning. I always go

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Speaker 1: to five o one on direct five or one is HBO.

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Speaker 1: For some reason, I always go to five o one.

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Speaker 1: So on this night, five on one boom, I see

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Speaker 1: a young lady on stage. She has just a little

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Speaker 1: interesting clothes. She has on like striped lines going up

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Speaker 1: and down, and you know, and she's only has a

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Speaker 1: hair pulled back, and and she has a crowd and

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Speaker 1: and she's the laughing and funny. And he was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: let me stick around and just listen to what she

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Speaker 1: has to say. Dynamic, Uh, I would she does? She? She?

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Speaker 1: She does jokes I would never even think of doing.

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Speaker 1: That's always a testament that you're that you're doing something

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Speaker 1: uniquely funny and you're gifted. She she was doing humor

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Speaker 1: that first of all, was female humor. So I would

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Speaker 1: never do some of the joke for a female driven

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Speaker 1: but again the direction of thought, I would never do.

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Speaker 1: And so I started trying to get her on my

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Speaker 1: show money Making Conversations. So then Jessic Collins came up

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Speaker 1: to my show. He was promoting American Soul. Okay, during

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Speaker 1: the middle of his interview, I brought up your name okay,

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Speaker 1: and then because they ended the show, Jessic Collin's names

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Speaker 1: pops up okay, So I knew here to connect with her.

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Speaker 1: So I suggested, I gotta get on my show. Okay

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Speaker 1: with Sean, Okay with Sean. Nothing nothing nothing. So I'm

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Speaker 1: still on the search to get a man. The Seals

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Speaker 1: on myself. They, you know, all of a a sudden, the

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Speaker 1: NBC competition show come out. I got people that know me,

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Speaker 1: NBC UNI, you know I'm a foller. I got people

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Speaker 1: in NBC UNI. I call over there. I need to

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Speaker 1: get a man to seal over Sean. We got your cover, nothing, Nona.

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Speaker 1: Finally a book come out. I should look, y'all. Amanda

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Speaker 1: Seals has a book coming out called Small Doses Potent

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Speaker 1: Truths for Everyday. Use y'all. I'm fired people now. I've

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Speaker 1: fired people now. If I don't get a man on

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Speaker 1: my show. Guess what if I knew I had to

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Speaker 1: threatening like that way back in January, we would needn

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Speaker 1: be having this conversation right now, a man. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: money making show. Welcome to money making Conversation, and I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Roshan mcdonnald and how are you doing today,

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Speaker 1: Miss over work, miss on fire, miss funny, how are

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Speaker 1: you doing today? I'm great? Thank you, John. I'm glad

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Speaker 1: we finally made me copping. I didn't realize that is

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Speaker 1: such a journey, but I mean your persistence is I

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Speaker 1: just I really am flattered by it. So thank you.

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Speaker 1: What the thing about it is that it's it's when

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Speaker 1: you see something special and you see something unique and

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Speaker 1: you see something groundbreaking. That's all those terms are associated

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Speaker 1: with you. Let's talk about their whole perspective on stand up?

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Speaker 1: How did you get into being a stand up comic? Um?

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Speaker 1: In two thousand thirteen, I found myself at a cross

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Speaker 1: root and I talked about this in the book UM,

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Speaker 1: where I really had like I've been the MTV me JA,

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Speaker 1: I've been uh, pretty well known book and word poet.

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Speaker 1: I had been hosting different shows and doing the radio,

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Speaker 1: and so I had a lot under my belt in

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Speaker 1: terms of the different trajectories and it kind of gotten

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Speaker 1: confusing for people where folks just didn't know how to

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Speaker 1: classify me. And you know, we just live in that.

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Speaker 1: We live in a world when people want to be

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Speaker 1: able to like fig you in a particular space. And

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Speaker 1: so it was like I felt that people were essentially

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Speaker 1: considering me as somebody who does a lot, which kind

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Speaker 1: of ends up translating to like you do nothing, and

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Speaker 1: that was really problematic for me. And it just felt

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Speaker 1: like I wasn't doing the best economically with my time

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Speaker 1: or my money in the in continuing to go in

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Speaker 1: that direction. And so I started to consider, like, Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: what is the career that I want, you know, like

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Speaker 1: if if if if people can't find the label for me,

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Speaker 1: who do? I feel like it's similar to me in

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Speaker 1: terms of their practice and in terms of their products,

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Speaker 1: and what is the label that they have? And so

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Speaker 1: when I started looking at folks Um, the people that

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Speaker 1: really rang true for me were people like Chris Rock,

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Speaker 1: Healthy Handler and the Generous simply because not because we

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Speaker 1: share the same voice, but because they had managed to

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Speaker 1: create multi media mobil gums based on their unique points

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Speaker 1: of view. It wasn't necessarily based on them being producers

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Speaker 1: or them being writers or then being directors. No, it

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Speaker 1: was specifically based on fortus their point of view and

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Speaker 1: then branching out to do all of those things from

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Speaker 1: that perspective and when I looked at all the things

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Speaker 1: that they were doing, writing, hosting, acting, the one thing

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Speaker 1: they all could do that I couldn't do with stand

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Speaker 1: up comedy. And so I realized in that, in that exploration,

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Speaker 1: in that examination, that if I wanted to go into

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Speaker 1: this space that they were, if I wanted to achieve

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Speaker 1: in the way that they were, which is you know,

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Speaker 1: exactly what I wanted, I needed to I needed to

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Speaker 1: add to stand up comedy to my repertoire, and it

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Speaker 1: needed to not be just like a plug and play.

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Speaker 1: It needed to be authentic, and I needed to be

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Speaker 1: genuinely good at it. And it was something I always

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Speaker 1: knew look within me, but I just kind of never

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Speaker 1: had really fully pursued it. And then once I put

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Speaker 1: that out into the universe, just like you, kind of

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Speaker 1: just manifested where about six months later, um I would

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Speaker 1: ask to be on the stand up show because the

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Speaker 1: host had thought I was already a stand the comedian.

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Speaker 1: She was a fan of mine from doing talking headstuff

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Speaker 1: on Phwine. So I I just took the leap. It

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Speaker 1: was like you know, being caused at altar kind of situation,

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Speaker 1: and I took the leap and I did the show

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Speaker 1: and it went well, thank goodness, and so I stuck

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Speaker 1: with it and and so I just but I came

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Speaker 1: up through the ranks and I didn't skip sets. I

643
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Speaker 1: may have spent them up, but I didn't skip sets.

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Speaker 1: You know. I took my I did my my duty

645
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Speaker 1: terms of open mics, and I didn't open mics, and

646
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Speaker 1: I did my my kind of you know, struggling on

647
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: these showcases and having it at bag and Barter and

648
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Speaker 1: asked people to get on their certinals and running around

649
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Speaker 1: New York all times the night in the cold, you know,

650
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Speaker 1: just trying to get five minutes here, having to hang

651
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Speaker 1: out and hanging out, hanging out, and that eventually they'll

652
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Speaker 1: get on stage. You know, maybe somebody will drop out,

653
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Speaker 1: or maybe somebody will keep, you know, cancel, or or

654
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Speaker 1: maybe somebody just um will be feeling benevolent that night

655
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Speaker 1: and say hey rum. And so I just really like

656
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Speaker 1: dug In and and this thing that had always been

657
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,479
Speaker 1: in me just found a tone. It was one quote

658
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Speaker 1: when I was reading your book, the book we're discussing this,

659
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Speaker 1: and I'm interviewing a man to sales her book A

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Speaker 1: small doses potent truths for everyday use that really got

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Speaker 1: to me. It was I'm gonna read a quote to you.

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Speaker 1: I no longer dressed based on how I want folks

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Speaker 1: to see me, but how I want to see myself

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Speaker 1: as art elevate the vibrance in the room, and that

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Speaker 1: and that and that. That whole reference to you came

666
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Speaker 1: from the person who's styling you because you didn't understand

667
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Speaker 1: where they were coming with these clothes, and they go

668
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: on your clothes and they walk out with this look

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Speaker 1: that you would have never figured out. And I felt

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Speaker 1: that that's how I I dressed for rijand mcconald. I

671
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Speaker 1: don't I don't know how you if you comple made

672
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Speaker 1: me cool, but this is how I felt like walking

673
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Speaker 1: out of the house today. Work with that. Okay, Now

674
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Speaker 1: I know what mirrors are, so I know how to

675
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: look in the mirror while I leave, so I know

676
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: it's not crazy. But this is how I look. And

677
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: so when I read that quote, it hits so home

678
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Speaker 1: with me because of the fact that so many people

679
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Speaker 1: are trying to be or look like something that they

680
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Speaker 1: really aren't or what people are expecting to be. But

681
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Speaker 1: now you Amanda who you are, and you're proud of it,

682
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Speaker 1: and you're confident in that step, correct, Yeah, I mean

683
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Speaker 1: I think so much of that is just like maturity,

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Speaker 1: you know, and growth, and just like time. This just

685
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Speaker 1: taking time to explore my art, to explore myself, to

686
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: explore how the two intertwine. Um. And I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of us don't necessarily start to do that because

688
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Speaker 1: we're really so ambition driven, and it can feel like

689
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Speaker 1: if I'm not consistently driving towards the goal, um, that

690
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Speaker 1: I'm like being lazy or I'm not on point or

691
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Speaker 1: I'm not focused. And then sometimes but you kind of

692
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Speaker 1: realize at a certain point, like me looking inwards is

693
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Speaker 1: also me driving towards the goal, right, And I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of us like continue to look outwards and

695
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Speaker 1: so like when it comes to style and when the

696
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Speaker 1: kings to like me to develop in my style and

697
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Speaker 1: howing to really like learning how to just stand there

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Speaker 1: and life. I'm not I'm not trying to like get

699
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Speaker 1: people to think a certain thing about me anymore. That

700
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: actually does scare people, by the way, when people feel

701
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: like you're not trying to gain their favor, it does

702
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Speaker 1: it really does bother people, Like I know, it really

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Speaker 1: bothers people that I am so unwavering about certain things

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Speaker 1: that I really don't care about their opinions, you know,

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Speaker 1: And so it makes folks feel like they don't matter.

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00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: It's not to say that they don't matter. It is

707
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Speaker 1: just to say that their insight and their inputs to

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Speaker 1: be earned, you had to be hard to day. Well,

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Speaker 1: you were hard to your guy. The guys struggle with that,

710
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: with that personality that you know, they're trying to figure

711
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Speaker 1: you out. You're a smart, independent woman who knows themselves,

712
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Speaker 1: and they've been looking to be lead and guided. I

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Speaker 1: know it, I don't. I love her. I love her.

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Speaker 1: I love her. I mean, if that's it what you're

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Speaker 1: referring to, I'm hard to every hard to anybody who

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Speaker 1: doesn't understand how to be secure in themselves at the

717
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Speaker 1: same time as being selfless to someone else. And that's

718
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Speaker 1: that that's you, and that's that's the point. That's what

719
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Speaker 1: I see on stage, that's what I see. Come to

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Speaker 1: Jay something six years for roughly six years. That path

721
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Speaker 1: and this journey that you've achieved as a stand up

722
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Speaker 1: in six years, it's phenomenal. It's phenomenal. Thank you, and

723
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Speaker 1: I am I am so like appreciate it that just

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Speaker 1: I mean it's in standard time. It's a meteor crackt

725
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Speaker 1: like because standard time is much longer. Like. For for

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Speaker 1: what it's worth, like, I am very aware and I

727
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Speaker 1: do not take it for granted there at all that

728
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Speaker 1: I've been so blessed in stand up so quickly. I

729
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Speaker 1: think a lot of it is because by the time

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Speaker 1: I got to stand up, I had already developed my voice.

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Speaker 1: I was already comfortable with the stage and with the mic.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of times like that's a big part

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Speaker 1: of your development as a stand up, you know, just

734
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Speaker 1: being able to be comfortable on stage, being able to

735
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Speaker 1: know how to feel a crowd. And because of my

736
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Speaker 1: years hosting and d jays, already had that stage presence

737
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Speaker 1: built in. Yeah, And that's really key when you walk

738
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Speaker 1: on the stage and you were able to examine the crowd,

739
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Speaker 1: And that's really key when you work on the stage

740
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Speaker 1: not bothered by the lights that can that can uh block,

741
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Speaker 1: and you united nothing to intimidates you. That stage president

742
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: is the key to how fast you arise as a

743
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Speaker 1: stand up. If you're not a gimmick act. Now, if

744
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Speaker 1: you're a gimmick and you got some little character you're

745
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: trying to pull off, so she's going on stage being

746
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Speaker 1: herself when she walks on stage. I love. I like

747
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Speaker 1: to believe the person I saw telling little jokes is

748
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Speaker 1: the person I'm gonna say hello when I walk on stage,

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Speaker 1: and that that ability to be able to do that

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Speaker 1: as fast as he's done it is phenomenal. It's really impressive.

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Speaker 1: It's a very funny book, Amanda. I you know, I

752
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: hope I can get you back on the show. I'm

753
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 1: running out of time. I wanted to break down very

754
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: I got so many pages folded in this book, you know,

755
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: like like I know you you got a lot answers. Now,

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Speaker 1: that's why I can't. That's why I can't. That's why

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00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: I can't go in. Just like white people stopped doing this,

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Speaker 1: Black people stopped doing this. Friends need to keep the drop.

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00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 1: You know. It's uh the story about the guy who

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Speaker 1: took you to the hotel room and you know, and

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00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: you woke up and you knew y'all had had sex

762
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: and he didn't talk to you for a couple of

763
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: weeks and then you text him. Didn't he had the attitude.

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Speaker 1: It's so many great stories in this book that I

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Speaker 1: want to talk to you about First of all, appreciative.

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Speaker 1: I really really appreciate that you really read this. Thank

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Speaker 1: you well. I read the book because guess what your talent.

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00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: And it's a book. It is funny, it's it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a book like I've never read. I've been fortunate

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Speaker 1: in my life to taking books to number one. I've

771
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: been fortunate my life to read books on the regular

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Speaker 1: basis on my show Money Making Conversation for the last

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Speaker 1: two years. This is a must read. It's a it's

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Speaker 1: a colorful book. It has has graphics, and it's a

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Speaker 1: book like it's pages of pink, pages of brown. It's

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00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: a book that you cannot go to a restaurant and

777
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 1: read it. You have to read it in your house

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Speaker 1: and enjoyed. And it's daylight is funny. But more importantly,

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Speaker 1: you keep winning a Manda. Thank you for taking the

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Speaker 1: time to do my show. Know that Rashan McDonald is

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Speaker 1: a fan of yours. If you ever want to promote anything,

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Speaker 1: come back on the show, send me a social media

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Speaker 1: post and I will support you. That's so, I just

784
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Speaker 1: really appreciate you and thank you again for working so hard.

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Speaker 1: They're bringing me to the show because I mean that

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Speaker 1: that that is noteworthy in itself, So thank you again

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Speaker 1: and keeping that. That's that that sold sister, that tells

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Speaker 1: McDonald dot com My next guest after we've been like

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Speaker 1: talking to each other via via linked in, some chat,

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Speaker 1: some linked in chat. The next guest is a proud

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Speaker 1: member of the sorority Delta Sigma Theta. She said, Board

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Speaker 1: certified pediatrician, independent health advocate, ted talk Extraordinaire Arthur and

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Speaker 1: the CEO of your GPS Doc LLC. Prior to launching

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Speaker 1: her company, Dr Rochester enjoyed the seventeen year career in

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Speaker 1: clinical and academic medicine. Please welcome to Money Making Conversation,

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Speaker 1: Dr Nicole Rochester. Hi, thank you so much. I'm so

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Speaker 1: honored to be on your show. Well, thank you, and

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Speaker 1: I would letting everybody know we would like chit chatting

809
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Speaker 1: via LinkedIn. You know, she said she she lives happy

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Speaker 1: the most. I'm very happy to have you on my

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Speaker 1: show too, appreciate it. So what are you based there

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Speaker 1: right now? Doctor? I live in Maryland, just outside of

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Speaker 1: d C. I'm a Maryland native of French George's County

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Speaker 1: resident all my life. Okay, cool? So when I when

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Speaker 1: I was reading your bio or reading your title and

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Speaker 1: just stead of enjoyed a seventeen year career in clinical

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Speaker 1: and academic medicine, What exactly is academic medicine. Academic medicine

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Speaker 1: is when you are involved in teaching and research. So

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Speaker 1: I was responsible for teaching pediastric residents and also medical

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Speaker 1: students during their pediatric rotation and also have the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to publish a couple of papers. So that's really what

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Speaker 1: what distinguished academic medicine and clinical medicine is. Of course,

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Speaker 1: just to everyday providing care to patients. So I was

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Speaker 1: blessed to have the opportunity to do both right. And

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Speaker 1: it's really important. And when you when you when you

826
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Speaker 1: get into that TED talk environment, what exactly is your

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Speaker 1: point of view when you're doing a TED talk. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I my TED talk really focused on our broken

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Speaker 1: health care systems. And you know, I'm sure all of

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Speaker 1: your listeners are intimately familiar with the fact that our

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Speaker 1: health care system is broken, but I really wanted to

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Speaker 1: approach it from a different perspective. And you know, after

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Speaker 1: caring for my dad and really seeing the health care

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Speaker 1: system up close and personal from the other side, I

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Speaker 1: was really struck by what I found to be a

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Speaker 1: lack of connection. And so that's really what my TED

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Speaker 1: X talk focused on, is this whole concept of being invisible,

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Speaker 1: how patients and their family caregivers are really invisible in

839
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Speaker 1: health care settings, and just the importance of connecting and

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Speaker 1: establishing what I called a nineties second encounter, where at

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Speaker 1: the beginning of every single encounter, dobs and patients just connect.

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Speaker 1: Before you start asking me questions about why I'm there,

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Speaker 1: what's hurting, just talk to me, asked me about my day,

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Speaker 1: asked me about my summer vacation or my kids or

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Speaker 1: my husband, and asked just a way to really just

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Speaker 1: open up the door to an authentic relationship. So that's

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Speaker 1: what my Tedeks talked with about. Right. It's really interesting

848
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Speaker 1: because I'm a small business owner and there's a small

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Speaker 1: business owner one of the healthcare is one of the

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Speaker 1: number one things that any employee of potentially employee or

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00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: current employer employee wants to talk about, you know what

852
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: type of plan, and of course I want to have

853
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: a health plan as well. So so when you look

854
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 1: at all these different things at different levels, we start

855
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: talking about health care, you talk about a person who

856
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: you want to employ, Like my mom who recently passed,

857
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: it was about twenty for our healthcare because you know,

858
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: she didn't want to go to a facility, she wanted

859
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: to stay at a home them. So it will trying

860
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: to find individuals or people are hiring people and depending

861
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: on your relatives to be able to take care of

862
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: that twenty four hour o'clock. So there's so many different

863
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: when you talk about the broken health care system, there's

864
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,479
Speaker 1: so many different layers. When you can stop and start

865
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: talking like you talked about your father, talking about my mom,

866
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: but also have to talk about people who are employed

867
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: and how the system keeps shifting and how much of

868
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: employee is gonna pay and commit to the plan and

869
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: that plan going to be valuable based on the deposits

870
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: and they and the and the prescriptions and the and

871
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: their their office visits and all that. So it really

872
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: just just starts just revolving into a whole leyerl confusion.

873
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: So when you're talking about it, did you just did

874
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: you specifically talk about the age of what your father

875
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: was at or just just just talk about the whole

876
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: concept of the broken system and the text talk. I

877
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: really spoke about my personal experiences from my dad, but

878
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: then the bigger picture was really just a broken health

879
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: care system in general. But but I agree with what

880
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: you said, you know it being a caregiver for my

881
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 1: dad and he passed away when he was sixty nine,

882
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: and this saying the differences in how you know, I'm pediatricians.

883
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: We rally around our patients and everybody is you know,

884
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: they will do their absolute best to save a child.

885
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: And so that was really my perspective. And I really

886
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: felt like with the elderly, they don't enjoy that that

887
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: same type of benefit, and in many cases they are

888
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: kind of written off by health care professionals. And so

889
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: I really had to, you know, fearcely and strongly advocate

890
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: for my dad. And you probably experienced the same thing

891
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: with your mom. Sometimes they're just they're discounted. And I

892
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 1: think some health care professionals as soon well they're older,

893
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: you know, they're they've already lived their best years. And

894
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: so often it's the family caregiver that has to be

895
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: the one to stand up in that exam and around

896
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: in that hospital room and and really advocate for their

897
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: loved one. Well, you know what happens is it's about

898
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: the we have to put it in the role of

899
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: physicality of taking care of somebody who's older. But it's

900
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: just taking care of a child or somebody in teenage

901
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 1: years who physically you can move them around a lot better,

902
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, But when you're dealing with weight, you're dealing

903
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: with individuals have you have to you have to be

904
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: even more careful than you are often with a teenager

905
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: or young child. Basically if they're suffering the same it's

906
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: the same situation. And also the number one problem with

907
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: older people they will not tell you the truth. They

908
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: will they will, They won't tell you if in pain,

909
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: they won't tell you, if they need to go to

910
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,959
Speaker 1: the restroom, they won't tell you anything. They sit there

911
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: and out of pride of dealing with those issues, and

912
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: you have to find out and it's kind of hurtful

913
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: because guess what you have to find out at the

914
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: last minute. And so because the number one thing that

915
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: we're dealing with a lot of times it's really in

916
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: the public's eye, is dementia and how that can become

917
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: so are crippling to a person that you respected that

918
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: whether it could be a school teacher, that could be

919
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: a corporate exact, and then you look at them now

920
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: and they're childlike and they're emotionally uh our bursts that

921
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: you really can't control or deal with. So it really

922
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: is a tragic situation we're dealing with. And so I

923
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: wanted to bring you on the show because it affects

924
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: when you're talking about people who small business owners or

925
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: people who are trying to deal with their day of life.

926
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: You don't see this coming. You don't see the breakdown

927
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: of of the of the parent because of the fact

928
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: that they've been so strong all your life. They've been

929
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: leaders all your life, and then when it comes to you,

930
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: it could be quite shocking because when you agree, I

931
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: absolutely agree, it's it's very difficult. I mean, like you said,

932
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: you in some ways the relationships becomes reversed, you know.

933
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: And it was very difficult with my dad. I mean,

934
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: that was my dad. He was my protector. You know,

935
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: he was just wrong black man. And then you know,

936
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: as I watched him become more and more ill and

937
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: become weak, you know, then I have the one to

938
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: protect him and my sisters and I had to be

939
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,919
Speaker 1: the ones to make sure that his you know, best

940
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: interests were met. And that's it's very difficult to watch

941
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: your parents transitions to that role where they need you,

942
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: and it look very difficult for him as well. You know,

943
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 1: they don't like it, Like you said, they don't really

944
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: want well they that they know they need the help,

945
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: but they don't want to admit it and they don't

946
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: want to be a burden. My dad often said that

947
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: to my sisters and I, you know, I don't want

948
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: to be a burden on you all. So it's a

949
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: very difficult situation and most people find themselves in that

950
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: family caregiver position very abruptly. You know, one day you're

951
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: living out your life and in the next day something

952
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: happens and you suddenly find yourself having to care for

953
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: a loved one and there's no preparation for that. We

954
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: don't learn about this in school, so it can be

955
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: very challenging because you know, when you start looking at life,

956
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: it's really interesting. That's why I wanted to bring on

957
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: the show. We're also gonna talk about your GPS doc LLC,

958
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: but I just wanted to talk about just slow everybody down,

959
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: because when we're talking about retirement, we're just talking about us.

960
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: You know, we don't talk about you know, people talk

961
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: about living life six save money, six months in advance,

962
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: but nobody says, saves only six months in advance for

963
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: your mom and dad. You know, nobody says that in

964
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: any book, any any retirement book. Nobody says that. They

965
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: just said because but that is that is a growing

966
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: issue because we live longer and we have to do

967
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: and it's and it's much more an open issue. And

968
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: like I said, putting and just putting people in retirement

969
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: homes and you look at the way that can be.

970
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 1: But like I said, that because of the fact that's

971
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: twenty four hour care, that can be a major major issue.

972
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: And even if you have a big family, because I

973
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: come from and that doesn't mean that doesn't mean that

974
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: they're available. I got weekends, I got weekends. I gave

975
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: show up over there dune tonight. You know, it's like, okay,

976
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: so and I and I say that honestly because we

977
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: got to start thinking about that process now. Because you

978
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: can watch all these great commercials on TV about retirement,

979
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: you can watch all these saving money, but they never

980
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: talked about that hidden that hidden debt, or that hidden inconvenience.

981
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the word inconvenient because when it happens,

982
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: it's inconvenient because you're not ready for You're not ready

983
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: for you, You're not ready to give up your time,

984
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: You're not ready to give up the money, you're not

985
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: ready to give up the commitment. And what it happens

986
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: is it was rather shocking, and it also calls on

987
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: you of questions. Your question is your faith, whether you're selfish,

988
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: whether I don't have time for this. It's a lot

989
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: of things that starts to getting wrapped up into that

990
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: whole process. And I just felt that you know, as

991
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: as a person who talks about money making conversations, talking

992
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: about business, talking about planning that model for success, this

993
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: part of the plan and gets left out a lot.

994
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: You are absolutely right, and and many times it's the

995
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: caregiver that's shouldering a lot of this financial responsibility, you know,

996
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: when you're like your mom needing seven care that's not

997
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: covered by Medicare and by traditional health insurance, and a

998
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: lot of family members don't know that. So it really

999
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: does need to be part of our environment plan. I

1000
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: absolutely agree. You know, even as a pediatrician, we don't

1001
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: prepare our patients for that transition to college. And so

1002
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: as I was preparing my daughter, I thought, Okay, everybody

1003
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: needs this information, and so I wrote health Care Navigation

1004
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: one oh one to really serve as a guide not

1005
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: just for college students and college bound students, but also

1006
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: for their parents. Um and it just talked about things

1007
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: from communicating with doctors, and that's probably the biggest chapter.

1008
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: And I go step by step of the question that

1009
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: the doctor is going to ask you and give them

1010
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 1: some tips on how to communicate effectively. We talked about

1011
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: health insurance and some of the uh you that come

1012
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: up when you are out of state, and how some

1013
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: people may not have access to those health insurance benefits.

1014
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: We talk about mental health, sexual health, and and really

1015
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 1: and the book is just a great resource to really

1016
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: prepare students for that transition. And there's really no other

1017
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: place that I have found. Rochester. How can we get it?

1018
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: Dr Rochers, How can we get that book? It is

1019
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: available on Amazon Healthcare Navigation one oh one. Dr Rochester.

1020
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: I want to thank you for calling the show. Can

1021
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: you come back on my show because as you see,

1022
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: I've tuned in and you've tuned into my listeners and

1023
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: and what they need to hear because I really want

1024
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: to start a campaign about their awareness that that the elderly,

1025
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: that you will become elderly one day, and it should

1026
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: be part of your conversation Retirement conversation McDonald Making conversation.

1027
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Speaker 1: Thank you, ma'am. Money Making Conversations continues online at www

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Speaker 1: dot money Making Conversations dot com.