1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to Greatest Escapes, a show bringing you the wildest. 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 2: True escape stories of all time. 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: Now today we're going to get into a story of 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: three escape artists who broke out of America's most infamous 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: supermax prison, Alcatraz. 6 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 2: I'm Auto Rogastro, and I'm. 7 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 1: Here with the incredibly charismatic actor and wonderful human being 8 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: and producer and buddy of mine J D. 9 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 2: Bard. 10 00:00:54,480 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: WHOA wow, what a great theme song by Ben Chug 11 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: I fucking love it. 12 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 2: Do you like see oonsns? I see all the time? 13 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: You come here often? Yeah, I've been here for three days. 14 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh god, oh my goodness. 15 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being here. Brother, anything for you? 16 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 2: Oh thank you? Brother? Are you two buttons down by 17 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: the way, what are you? 18 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I mean that's just my regular go to. 19 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: I'm like a naturally hairless person. I know, so I've 20 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: been able to like rock that low. 21 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 3: I've been thinking about getting like hair implants like on 22 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 3: my chest. 23 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: You know what. I've always loved. 24 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 3: I've always loved those moments in films, like especially like 25 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 3: in the seventies and like in the eighties, where like 26 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 3: the girl is like laying on his chest and she's 27 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 3: just like playing around with like his chest hair. 28 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: Oh. 29 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: I was just like, Oh my gosh, I was that guy. 30 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: I wonder if there's like a Mrkan for that. You 31 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying is that what it's called a 32 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: murcan my overlords producers, the thing that they put for 33 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: pubic hair. 34 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: Pubic hair. Correct. It is a friend time a bitch. 35 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 2: I'm so good at English. What do you consider to 36 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: be your greatest escape? Yeah, there there was this. Well 37 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: I'll take it. 38 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: I'll take it international since since there's no proof of this, 39 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 3: and it was really weird, especially with like after I 40 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 3: saw Hostel and everything like that. 41 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: I was in Milan, yeah, and uh. 42 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 3: Yeah and well yeah, I actually went to this club 43 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 3: and I was like three ms after a job that 44 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 3: I did a modeling gig back in my Zoolander days, 45 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 3: one of the most Tommy hill Figer weren't you Tommy 46 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 3: hill Figure campaign? 47 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 4: Uh? 48 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 3: And then I did a job for for Gucci in 49 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 3: Milan and it. 50 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: Was a beautiful to get it. You're Jesus Christ j 51 00:02:55,400 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: D Yes, I'm hot. I was so hot. So you're Milan? 52 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: I do this thing right? 53 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 3: And uh, parties there like start like at two am. 54 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 3: You know, and really late, and I was with a 55 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 3: couple of guys and we're going back to the apartments 56 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 3: and this guy just pulled up in a cab. It 57 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 3: was just like, I'll take you guys back, and we're 58 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: like okay. 59 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 2: So I'm in the middle. We hop in and we 60 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 2: start going. Now, did you know these other two guys? 61 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: I knew the other two. I knew him. Uh, and 62 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 2: we all lived in the same place. 63 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 3: Okay, now we have been there for a few months now, 64 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: so we know our way around. And we're talking and 65 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 3: you know, we're kind of wasted, and then all of 66 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 3: a sudden, one of the guys just. 67 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: Starts freaking out, says, where is he taking us? 68 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: And you're out the windows, just going I just want 69 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: to die the thing what happened? 70 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: Okay, He's like you can sense there's something fucked up? 71 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you know, like one of the one of 72 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 3: the guys like starts screaming like Italians. The guy like 73 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 3: this is not the way, and then the other guy 74 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 3: on my side like this is not where we're not 75 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 3: supposed to go, Like where's he taking us? Where's he 76 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 3: taking us that way? And the guy's like screaming at him. 77 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 3: And then the driver starts screaming at us. No, He's like, 78 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: where are you guys taking me? 79 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: Well, you're fucking driving. 80 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 3: The next thing I know, the guy on my left 81 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: bolts out, jumps out of the car. 82 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: Oho. 83 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 3: The other guy jumps out. The driver slams on the 84 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,799 Speaker 3: brakes and grabs a bat. 85 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: That's right next he goes out to the left. I immediately, 86 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 2: without thinking, just just jumped. 87 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 3: Out of the car to my right and he starts 88 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 3: screaming at me, and I run down in alley. 89 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: Whoa, And I jumped behind. 90 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 3: Like this dumpster and like this car, and I just 91 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 3: kind of like in the fetal position. I had no 92 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 3: idea what was going on, Like this was. It just 93 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 3: happened so quick, right where our guy called him out 94 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: for taking us somewhere that we weren't supposed to go, 95 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 3: and they were dude. It still kind of freaks me 96 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 3: out to this day because I feel like I had 97 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 3: someone like looking over me and the guy was walking 98 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 3: through the alley and I could hear it was like 99 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 3: a moment, dude, what a horror film fucking moment. And 100 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 3: I'm just like, just don't breathe, just don't breathe, just 101 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 3: don't breathe. And then he just turned around and went 102 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 3: the other way and he just started swearing. 103 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: Got in the car, and you know, wow, Well, I'm glad. 104 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 2: You survived that. Thank you. 105 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: I want to check in on the taxi driver to 106 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: see his side of the story, because I don't. 107 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: They're like, man, I don't know these guys. Just like, now, 108 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: I got your side of the story. 109 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: Let me hear now, our next guest is actually will 110 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: come here. All right, well listen, let's get ready for 111 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: a big old escape. 112 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 2: How about that. I'm excited. 113 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: So we're headed to California's infamous island prison, Alcatraz. 114 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 2: Hollywood has loved this place for years. 115 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: Tons of classics like Berman of Alcatraz, A point Blank, 116 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: The Enforcer, and The Rock, The fucking Rock, such a 117 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: cool movie. And we're gonna talk a little bit about why, 118 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: like the fact that Alcatraz was originally made into a 119 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: federal prison as a pr stunt for the government. The 120 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: reputation of Alcatraz was kind of just the point of it, 121 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: you know, So we'll get into that. But some people 122 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: haven't been fans, starting with the prisoners who were locked 123 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: up on the island. Who was the first person you 124 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: think of when I say prohibition. 125 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: I think of like Tom Hardy, Yeah, playing what al Capone? 126 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 3: Right? 127 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: Right? 128 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: So in nineteen thirty splashy stories about mobsters like al 129 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: Capone had been super embarrassing for the government, so President 130 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: Hoover decided that he needed to do something to save 131 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: the government's reputation. His answer to these super criminals was 132 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: to create a super prison. So in nineteen thirty three, 133 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: the New Borough decided to create a superprison to hold 134 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: only the worst of the worst. They selected this military 135 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: prison on Alcatraz Island. They wanted it to be, you know, 136 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: a symbol of a government power to mass organized crime. 137 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what accent that is, but I figure 138 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: that's what people in power had a. 139 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: Lot in there. So those good you're covering all your bases. 140 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: It's for all our listeners everywhere in the world. So 141 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: let me give you a little history on the island 142 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: and kind of prison. So Alcatraz itself was originally named 143 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: by Don Juan Manuel de a Yela, so when the 144 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: Spanish were laying claim to California, he called it like 145 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: Islae Lostrass or Island of the Sea Birds. So the 146 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: island was held by the Spanish until Mexican independence. 147 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: Now the USA took. 148 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: It in eighteen forty seven, and the army built a 149 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: fort there right where cannons were put to watch San 150 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: Francisco Bay during the gold Rush, which I'm sure, I 151 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: like that makes sense, right everybody during the gold Rush, 152 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: being like, I'm sure it led to a lot of 153 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: criminality and anxiety all for sure, did absolutely. Oh man, 154 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: I see goal now I fucking go crazy. 155 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 156 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: And then in the American Civil War, Fort Alcatraz was 157 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: packed with soldiers and guns guarding the harbor. Right since 158 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: it was home to like two hundred soldiers. There are 159 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: plenty of buildings, you know, barracks to ladge troops, separate 160 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: housing for the officers, a bakery, a bowling alley. 161 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, baby, I love it. 162 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: I love them, being just like, yeah, so listen, guys, 163 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna have to have to shoot some people, right, 164 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: But that does not mean that I can't strike a 165 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: fucking perfect ninety eight Okay, you know, oh for sure, 166 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: so listen. So there were also separate warehouses on this 167 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: island where the Union Army stashed all their guns and 168 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: ammunition to keep the equipment away from Confederate sympathizers on 169 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: the mainline. 170 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 2: Right, So, over the. 171 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: Years, Alcatraz slowly became a military prison. One historian says 172 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: that after the Civil War it became a holding pen 173 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 1: for quote, assorted misfits and societal problems, which is what 174 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: they would call us actors back in the day. Yeah, 175 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: it sounds like normal. It was just a bunch of actors. 176 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: Really like, these guys problematic. 177 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: Put them in there. So if the army captured someone. 178 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: And didn't want to deal with them, they just dumped 179 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: them on Alcatraz and locked them up in the newly 180 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: constructed jail house on the island. 181 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 2: Sounds about right. 182 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: That included military deserters, stowaways on American ships, and even 183 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: war protesters during World War One. Now here's a really 184 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: fucked up part. It also included Indigenous men trying to 185 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: keep their children out of US government schools. It's a 186 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: moment worth remembering, and it's actually really important in the 187 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: history of the prison. There's a tribe that's fighting for 188 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: the rights that the island belongs to them, to the state, 189 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 1: So we hope they went. But how fucked up is 190 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: this bro they like they put you away because you 191 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: don't want your kids being indoctrinated by people that have come. 192 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 3: To fuck you over. It's very sad, very tragic. I mean, look, 193 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 3: history is ugly. And I think I told you, I 194 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 3: think you when we were filming Roadhouse that producing a 195 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 3: show with FX called Bundito, and it takes place in 196 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 3: this time in the late eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds. 197 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 3: And what I was so fascinated to find, and I 198 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 3: think it did have something to do with Alcatraz, was 199 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 3: that during the gold Rush, this is where they wanted 200 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 3: to push out the Indigenous. They wanted to push out 201 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 3: the Mexican or the dark colored skin, you know, Natives 202 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 3: who were considered Californio's right because it was separate. But 203 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 3: during the gold Rush you had you know, people from 204 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 3: New York, you had Irish, you had Australian, you had 205 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 3: everybody coming over. And what they ended up doing, if 206 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 3: I remember correctly, was passing a foreign tax law for gold. 207 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: If you were Indigenous. 208 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,719 Speaker 3: Or Mexican like Native, you were considered a foreigner and 209 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 3: you had to pay a tax law. And if you 210 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 3: were caught taking gold without paying your taxes, you were 211 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 3: thrown in prison. I think it had to do with Alcatraz. 212 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 3: So the crazy thing to me was like, even then 213 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 3: there were these laws that they were putting into place, Yeah, 214 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 3: to man hold people down. 215 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, this is great, But thank you for that, dude. 216 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: I did not know most of that. So as the 217 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: army added to the number of people locked up in Alcatraz, 218 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: they eventually decided to clear the center of the island 219 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: and build a huge cell house. The cell house was 220 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: built as a massive space. Towers of cells were stacked 221 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: on top of each other in the middle of the room. 222 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: That was a prison that President Hoover wanted to be 223 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: his main showpiece in the nineteen thirties. They planned to 224 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: use Alcatraz to quote segregate degenerate minds. 225 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 2: These are his words, by the way, from the rest 226 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: of the inmates in federal custody. That's what we want 227 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 2: to do. He's ounded like this for some reason in 228 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 2: my head. 229 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: Now, when the Borough of Prisons picked the island to 230 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: be their new federal super prison, they decided it would 231 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: be a prison for escape. 232 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 2: Peace right. 233 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: Almost half of the men sent there had tried breaking 234 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: out of other prisons, and some had even succeeded Now, 235 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: the guard station there were very aware of that fact, right, 236 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: One senior officer I was quoted by saying. 237 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 3: The inmates job is to get out and our job 238 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 3: is to keep them in. 239 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 2: I love it. 240 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, this is our slogan at Alcatraz. Now, 241 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: the prison was rebuilt to be escape proof, and yeah, 242 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of always the fucking idea with prisons, 243 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: isn't it. 244 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: But yeah, I loved that. They were like this one 245 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: you can't escape from damn it. How did he do that? 246 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 2: But with Alcatraz the stakes were super high, right. 247 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: The cells were built using toolproof steel and you steal 248 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: bar doors and grates that were installed on every opening 249 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: of the prison. The Rock, as its nickname, was selected 250 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: precisely for the kinds of inmates who wouldn't be scared 251 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: off by a high wall or some barbed wire. So 252 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: when it opened in the nineteen thirties, prisoner was like 253 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: al Capone and George Machine Gun Kelly were held in Alcatraz. 254 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 2: That was before he made a terrible album just kidding. 255 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: It made the prison the most infamous in the country, 256 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: and the first major escape attempt came in nineteen thirty seven. 257 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: Two prisoners secretly cut through the bars blocking a window 258 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: of the building where they worked inside the prison, now 259 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: carrying heavy tools from the model shop. 260 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 2: This is a shop where they built people like you, JD. 261 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 2: The model shop. Wow, what a terrible dad joke. 262 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: So they broke through the lock on the gate, clambered 263 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: down the cliffs and hit the water, where they dove 264 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: in and swam towards a mainland. The men disappeared, but 265 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: given the cold, choppy water that day in December and 266 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,119 Speaker 1: the tide running out to the Pacific Ocean, person officials 267 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: assumed that the men died in an attempt to swim. 268 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: To the bay. How far does that swim? 269 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: By the way, I believe it's a mile overlords, the 270 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: closest sland is a mile and a half mile and a. 271 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 2: Half, Thank you my lord. God. 272 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, I'm telling you bright, it's the best fucking 273 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: thing in the work God, yes, my son, see. 274 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay. 275 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: So in nineteen forty six there was a super violent 276 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 1: escape attempt that became known as the Battle of Alcatraz. 277 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: It included a massive shootout between prisoners and marines that 278 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: were called to the island to fight them. After that, 279 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: the prison was no longer seen as a symbol of 280 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: the government's power to win. No, Instead, it became a 281 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: symbol of chaos and violence. Now, this was obviously exactly 282 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: the opposite of what the government wanted. You know, it 283 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: undermined their whole pr project because the Borough of Prisons 284 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: responded by adding so many extra layers of security that 285 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: no escapes were attempted for the next seven years. Eventually, though, 286 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: prisoners would try to escape again. And the jail break 287 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty seven is about as different as you 288 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: can get from the battle. That's when three men, Frank 289 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: Morris and John and Clarence Anglin actually made it out. 290 00:14:52,680 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 2: Of the Island prison. Let's move on to the escape. 291 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: So Frank, John and Clarence, these three guys weren't mobsters, 292 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: you know, they weren't killers. They were the other kind 293 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: of It made that Alcatraz was built for. They were 294 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: the escape artists right now. Also, why I love that 295 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: they get deemed escape artists. 296 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: I'm an artist. 297 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: It's the best rebranding that escapees have ever done. It's 298 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: better than Mayo turning into aoli that rebranding Chef's kiss. 299 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: So John and Clarence England were farm boys, good farm boys, right. 300 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: Their parents were seasonal farm workers and lived much of 301 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: their lives between farming towns. 302 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 3: Now. 303 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: One month they'd be picking tomatoes in Florida, and the 304 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: next they'd be picking cherries in Michigan. They also bring 305 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: along their thirteen children as they move from place to place. 306 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 3: That's tough, man, because I have two and I'm already 307 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 3: on man on man defense, you know what I mean? Like, 308 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 3: I feel like one more. I'm heading into the zone 309 00:15:58,440 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 3: and some special through the seams. 310 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: Plus the traveling right, like you have to have a 311 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: bus bro Anyway, it was in Lake Michigan that John 312 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: and Clarence learned how to swim, and as the story goes, 313 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: they would even go swimming in the freezing cold when 314 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: the lake was still icy. 315 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 2: Oh have you ever done a polar plunge? I want to? 316 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I want the fad now. I love cold plunging. 317 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 2: Dude, It's a thing. Many As these guys grew older, 318 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 2: they grew wilder. 319 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: Right. They hot wied cars, they stole tractor batteries, they 320 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: broke into stores. Clarence even got locked up in a 321 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: Florida juvenile detention center when he was fourteen. 322 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: No yeah, fourteen rough dud muffin. 323 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: So soon enough two of the brothers had four year 324 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: sentences for breaking and entering. But they also started breaking 325 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: out of the various jails where they were held. What 326 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: account says that they broke out of jails in Fort Myers, 327 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: in West Palm Beach, in Pompano Beach, Perry City, and 328 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: Floral City. 329 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 4: They sound like resorts, so they got on they're all 330 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 4: inclusive and timeshare and in Floral City and the escape 331 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 4: from Floria City, Clarence sawt a hole through a wooden 332 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 4: floor in the jail and was even shot on the 333 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 4: shoulder as he jumped the prison fence. 334 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: So the Angland's biggest crime was the robbery of a 335 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: bank in Alabama in nineteen fifty eight. John Clarence and 336 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: another Angling brother all worked together and they used a 337 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: toy gun to hold up the employees and got away 338 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: with nineteen thousand dollars. Pretty good for you know, farm 339 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: boys at the time. I mean, this is a fucking 340 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: ton of money in it. 341 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 2: Nineteen geez, there you go. 342 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, So for five days they went from place to place, 343 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: staying with family, but then someone tipped them off to 344 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: the police and they were caught in Hamilton on Hio, 345 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: probably like a judgmental dea, you know, be like, oh no, listen, that's. 346 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 2: I would get rid it out so quick, broke My 347 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 2: family'd be like, what the fuck? Grabbed myself shot. 348 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm just a very I'm like, I can't lie, dude, 349 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,479 Speaker 3: It hard for me to lie. 350 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: They narrowly ducked the death penalty in Alabama, so instead 351 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 1: they got twenty five years each. That's that's that's a win, right, 352 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: that's a win with even bigger. 353 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I didn't get it. It seems like 354 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 2: they would. Yeah, like fuck it. I was goodn escape anyway. 355 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: After various unsuccessful attempts from other federal prisons, John arrived 356 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: in Alcatraz in October nineteen sixty and Clarence Anglin followed 357 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: him there in January nineteen sixty one. And once they 358 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: got there together, they struck up a little bromance with 359 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: a man named Frank Morris, and then the three of 360 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: them cooked up a plan that put their jail break 361 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: into the history books. Now thinking that there was no 362 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: risk of them escaping the island, the prison warden put 363 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: John and Clarence inside by side cells. So the cells 364 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: were B block one fifty and B block one fifty two. 365 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: Frank Morris was just a few cells down in one 366 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: three to eight. Now, that wasn't the first time they 367 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: had met Morris, though they had previously made his acquaintance 368 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: at a federal penitentiary and Okay. Throughout his teens, Frank 369 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: committed a series of arm robberies that had him locked 370 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: up many times, but he had escaped custody over and 371 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: over before he was finally shipped to Alcatras. 372 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: The Rock, The Rock, The Rock. 373 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: Now, together with a fourth man, Alan West, Frank and 374 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: the Anglan brothers hatched a plan to break out of Alcatraz. So, 375 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: knowing that you have to escape the island, what are 376 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: some of the things that you would factor in to 377 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:26,959 Speaker 1: your island escape? 378 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: What do you think you would need? JD. I don't 379 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 2: even know what I would need, you know? But what's impressive? 380 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 3: A few of them they were just farmers, right, and 381 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 3: it's just your imagination. 382 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: It goes to show you that, like, yeah, being assertive 383 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: and being creative is being as certain. 384 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 3: Being creative, and like looking at the walls around you 385 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 3: and saying like, no, it's not holding me this. 386 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: Isn't holding me up in that moment of empowerment, looking 387 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: at the walls around you and saying no, no, no, 388 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: you will not catch me here. 389 00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 2: No, I am not going for twenty five years whatever. 390 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 3: It is, Like, Yeah, that's impressive to me because you 391 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 3: have to have such imagination about the other side. And 392 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 3: not only that, like they used each other's minds and 393 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 3: they read the room and they were aware. 394 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 2: They read the room. 395 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: Let me tell you how they actually started their escape, 396 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: because it's fucking wild. Okay to me, they started So 397 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: here's the thing, right, get in real close. They started 398 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: their escape with spoons Okay, now almost Yeah, for almost 399 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: a year they used them to scrape the concrete walls 400 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: of their fucking cells. 401 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 2: Man, why didn't the. 402 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: Vent hole in the back wall until they could get 403 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: in to the utility corridor behind? 404 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 2: Yep? Okay. The prisoners also had. 405 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: Access to all sorts of tools in the prison shops 406 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: where they worked, right, so they used art supplies and 407 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: putty to build decoy gates that they could put in 408 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: place during the day. So basically they built it to 409 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: make them decoy event cover so that the guards wouldn't 410 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: know that they were actually breaking out. They stole a 411 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: drill bit and a small motor from a broken vacuum. 412 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: The dude and jury rig that shit to help to 413 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: help them drill through the steel boats. 414 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 2: Like, can you believe I love it? One of them even, yeah, 415 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 2: one of them. 416 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: Even lifted a flashlight from the pocket of a guard 417 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: so they could work in the dark. Crazy, But listen, 418 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: getting past the walls was only the first thing that 419 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: they needed to do, right, Okay, So they started collecting 420 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: rubber raincoats from all the prisoners. 421 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 2: In B Block. What do you think they're gonna do 422 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 2: with raincoats? Build a raft? There you go, there you go. 423 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 2: You see, I would fucking pick you on my escapee. 424 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: Right, hey man, you got not a stupid model and 425 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: these four walls, I say, no, no, no, no, not 426 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: gonna hold me. 427 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 2: Okay, So they built a raft. 428 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: Well, they took inspiration from the magazine Popular Mechanics, which 429 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: was a nineteen sixty issue to describe how to use 430 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: resin to seal lampshades. They didn't have resin, but they 431 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: did have liquid plastic from the prison shops. Now, by 432 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: melting the rubber raincoats together and sealing the edges, liquid plastic. 433 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: They were able to make two rafts that they could 434 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: use to float across San Francisco. 435 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 2: Okay, time out, time out, tomorrow, tomorrow. Yeah. 436 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: Where do they store this raft? Probably in their cells? Man, 437 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: probably underneath their beds. I don't they toss cells? No, 438 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: because okay, here's the thing. Since they've already gotten through 439 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: to the other side and they have fake decoy gate things, 440 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: they probably put him on the other side. 441 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 2: There you go. That's why you need me. 442 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 3: The So you're saying they had to go out several 443 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 3: times and like not that we got out of it 444 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 3: and like let's take off, but they had to like 445 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 3: repeatedly set things up outside at leastly their cells. 446 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like, okay, so is it today? No? Not? 447 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: No raft day? Got it? Okay tomorrow? No, no, not tomorrow. 448 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: So then they use chair legs to make paddles for 449 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: the rafts, and even cobble together a handpump so they 450 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: could use it to inflate their makeshift rubber pontoon. Dude, 451 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: people in this like in this like crafts. I thought 452 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: they were geniuses, you know, like gosh, they're like pecassa. 453 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: Alan West took the lead on assembling the rafts that 454 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: left him behind schedule when it came to cutting open 455 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: his escapehole, but he planned Yep, he planned to finish 456 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: opening his cell on the night of the escape itself. 457 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 2: Alan, you're cutting it clothes, buddy, dude, that's that. 458 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 3: That just made me ancient, buddy, Like what, I don't 459 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 3: even like showing up to the movie theater late. I know, 460 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 3: I want to see the trailers, I want my popcorn, 461 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 3: I want everything. 462 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: Like Yeah, Now, Clarence, who worked in the prison barbershops, 463 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: started collecting human hair. 464 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 2: What do you think this is for human hair? Are 465 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,479 Speaker 2: they creating like a dummy to lay in the bed? Buddy? 466 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 2: You got this, you got I have my job here 467 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 2: is done. Like I said, it's never been proven that 468 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 2: I've escaped, but that's right. 469 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: So using some men dust, toilet paper, and soap, the 470 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: men sculpted full heads for their pillows. 471 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: They cover them with real human hair. 472 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: Uh huh, and painted on the skin tones with pain 473 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: from the prison art kids. 474 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 3: Can you imagine like be being like, hey, arto, do 475 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 3: you think this looks like me? No? 476 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 2: Too light? Too this light? Bro, You're not been in 477 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 2: the sun. I've been in the sun all day. 478 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: So on June eleventh, nineteen sixty two, just over a 479 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: year after the Anglans arrived at Alcatraz, they were already 480 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: ready for the air escape. So John Clarence Frank climbed 481 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: out of the vent holes in the back of their 482 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: cells scaled the walls of the utility corridor. So you 483 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: see they'd already cut Yeah, that's right, Dune. They had 484 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: already cut the metal boats holding an air vent close. 485 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: They pushed the vent open, and then boom they were 486 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: out on that prison. 487 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 2: Who were like, okay, was this during the day or 488 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 2: at night? God? I believe it was a night. God, 489 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: this was at night. 490 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: Oh yes, okay, good because otherwise, like like the guards 491 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: would be just like, what the fuck. 492 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 2: Are you guys doing? 493 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 4: The garden was supposed to be today, You're not supposed 494 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 4: to So when they got there, they realized that Alan West, 495 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 4: fucking procrastinator, was not with them, so wonder why. 496 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, so one by one they climbed back down and 497 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: try to help him out. 498 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 2: Oh that's nice, that's really nice. 499 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: And he had not he had not been able to 500 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: finish cutting open the vent hole. So he found that 501 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: there was actual steel reinforcing his. 502 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 2: Vent, just his look of the draw man. 503 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 3: I know. 504 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: Eventually Frank and the Anglins left him behind. They carrying 505 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: their Yeah, I mean you have to write, carrying their raft. 506 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: They slid down a smokestack to the ground. 507 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 2: Wow, this is crazy. 508 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: They jumped the prison fans and made their way to 509 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: the water, but they did leave behind one raft in 510 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: case Allen was able to cut his way out. 511 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 3: Hey, in case you get through the steel, I'm gonna leave. 512 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 2: A raft for you. It's gonna be here, don't worry 513 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 2: about it. 514 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: And then they floated out off the northeast side of 515 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: the island into the night. Yeah, okay, which I wonder 516 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: if the I wonder if these rafts are made to 517 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: just hold to a piece, you know, and like taking 518 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: a third one was yeah, or for the weight purposes? 519 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Like they're going down like chompy water, you know, 520 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 3: water getting in there. 521 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Yeah. 522 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: So on June twelfth, nineteen sixty two, guards discovered the 523 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: empty cells and the dummy heads. They sent up the 524 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: alarm and began the search. Okay, guess what JD. These 525 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: men were never found. What they were never found? They 526 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 1: were never found. Prison officials declared that the men had 527 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: drowned in the San Francisco Bay. The emphasized that the 528 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: prison was very definitely inescapable, and that maybe. 529 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 2: That's why they wanted to come out and say no, 530 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 2: they drowned and the med not. 531 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: Have escaped, because this is I love, I love that 532 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: press conference. 533 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 2: Guys, they did not escape. This inescapable. We will not 534 00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 2: be taking any questions at this time. 535 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 3: Even if you get past the prison, you got to 536 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 3: get past the water, and that's where they died. 537 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 2: Guys. You know, water kills people. So let's move on. 538 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: That was the kind of circular logic meant to defend 539 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: the prison's reputation. 540 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 2: Right, that's trippy man. 541 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: Now, As for the potential getaway, Alan West said the 542 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: three men were planning to break into a clothing store 543 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: in marin so they could change out of their prison clothes, 544 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: but no robbery like that was ever reported. It was 545 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: clear that at the very least the men had escaped 546 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: the prison and gotten out into the bay. When police 547 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: interviewed the England's mother in Florida, she said that at 548 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: least ten of her children turned out to be good. 549 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 2: I love that number, eleven, twelve, and thirteen. Hey, no, damn. 550 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: She stopped counting after attend to that I don't know, 551 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: I don't even know them very well. 552 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 3: That they were too good tales good, three's good hours, Okay, 553 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 3: five's good. 554 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 2: Raise your hand, you're shitty. Yeah. As for John and Clarence, 555 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 2: she told police that she hoped they got caught. Ooh, 556 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 2: that's cold, mom. The story made national headlines. 557 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 1: You know, No matter what the prison officials said, the 558 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: inescapable Alcatraz home to violence and chaos, had been breached. Then, 559 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: later that same year, another man broke out of the 560 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: prison and swam the bay. Y. 561 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy fucking swam. I fucking swam. I don't 562 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 2: need a raft sun. Yeah, that's right. So he reached 563 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: the shore and was immediately caught. 564 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: And if you can believe this ship man, he swam 565 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: naked in December. So this proved that the prison officials 566 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: were wrong. It was definitely possible to get out and 567 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: cross the water. The prison shut down in nineteen sixty three. 568 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: A plan had already been under way since nineteen sixty 569 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: one to close Alcatraz. It just needed extensive repairs, and 570 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: it was already like a public relations disaster. But the 571 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: escape of Morris and the Englands was a final nail 572 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: in the atta'oud, which is spanished for coffin. 573 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 2: The mystery stayed alive because the story leaves us with 574 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 2: a question did the escape he survive? And how can 575 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 2: we know if they did? 576 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 4: Right? 577 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: So that inspired the Escape from Alcatraz movie in the 578 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies and it's been an open question ever since. 579 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: In two thousand and three, Here we Go, the show 580 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: MythBusters recreated the escape attempt, even making a rubber raincoat raft. 581 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: They were able to land on the marine headlands and 582 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: judge that the escape was possible. 583 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 2: Hey, over lords, I need my own er. 584 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: In twenty eleven, a supervising deputy of the US marshal 585 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: who said that he thought that the three men had survived. 586 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: I think probably the brothers lived. There's nobody recovered. I 587 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: can't close the case, he said. This man also spoke 588 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: like Colombo in my head. 589 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 2: Now. 590 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: In twenty twelve, the fiftieth anniversary of the escape, the 591 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: England sister Marie said she never doubted that the two 592 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: men had survived the escape. Also, we have to remember 593 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: these guys are fucking incredible swimmers, right and reused to 594 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: swimming in cold ass water right. The same year, the 595 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: US Marshals revealed that an FBI report told them that 596 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: the escapeece empty raft was found on Angel Island. It 597 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: was a likely spot for the tides to deposit junk 598 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,479 Speaker 1: that was washing into the bay from merid Headlands. They 599 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: also found a waterproof pack of photos on Angel Island. 600 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: It held pictures of the Anglands and their loved ones now. 601 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: Their report also included news that a blue Chevy had 602 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: been stolen. 603 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 2: In Marin that night. 604 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: Alongside that, uh huh, a police reporting in later that 605 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: night from Stockton, California, eighty miles inland. It was a 606 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: sighting of a blue Chevy carrying three men on the 607 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: road that were driving at reckless speed. Who guys more interesting. 608 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: In twenty thirteen, the San Francisco Police got a letter 609 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: claiming to be John and offering to turn himself in 610 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: if he would do less than a year in jail. 611 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: Give me twenty fourteen. Oh, give me twenty fourteen. I 612 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: had it said that the other two men were dead. Right, 613 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: So the FBI couldn't tell if the letter was authentic 614 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: or not, but they also couldn't rule it out. Like 615 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: the investigation of the original escape the best they could 616 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: come up. 617 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: With was that it was inconclusive. Now, in twenty. 618 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: Fifteen, a photo circulated the tabloids with a report that 619 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: it was taken in Brazil in nineteen seventy five. The 620 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: two men in the pictures are matched to Clarence and 621 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: John Angling. Buddy, Yeah, everybody, Pashomo. 622 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 2: Get you, get you, get you get together, at least 623 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,719 Speaker 2: by everyone who wants to believe that they escaped. 624 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: And by face recognition AI used to scan the photo 625 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,719 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, it states that was Clarence and John Angling, 626 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: and I love that they That's how they spent there. 627 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 2: You know, they're just like can read agen Arab love life? 628 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 2: Oh for sure. 629 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: The US Marshals has still been working on the case, 630 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: and in June twenty twenty two, they created a new 631 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: age process image of all three men, Frank, Clarence and John. 632 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 2: They would be in their nineties today. Just fucking let 633 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 2: them die, guys. Bro At this point, man, they're still. 634 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: Asking for anybody with information about the men to call 635 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: the San Francisco office. But it's like you're getting a 636 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: little cleaner to you, guys, You're getting you're looking a 637 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: little thirsty, thirsty, today Alcatraz is a tourist attraction like 638 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: we spoke about, and a bird sanctuary, so like is 639 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,479 Speaker 1: Los catrass. 640 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 2: Is once again an isla bird prison. That's right. 641 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: In some ways, this pr campaign by the Bureau of 642 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: Prisons did work. Right, So the legend of Alcatraz became 643 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: so strong that even after the government abandoned the prison 644 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: because it didn't fucking work, we kept making movies about 645 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: it as if it did. 646 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 4: Right. 647 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 3: Yep. 648 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: In fact, great point one of those key moments in 649 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: Alcatraz's history actually came after the prison closed in nineteen 650 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: sixty four, Indigenous activists took over the island. They were 651 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: pointing out that under one of the treaties signed by 652 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: the United States government, this is what I was talking about, 653 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: all abandoned federal land was to be returned to the 654 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: indigenous nation. Definitely a story what checking out it was 655 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: a reminder of the way that the prison had been 656 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: used in its earlier days and how power full symbol 657 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: of the prison had become. Okay, JD, We're getting to 658 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: the end of the story, and I want to ask you, Okay, 659 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: after you heard all that, do you think that these 660 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: guys survived? 661 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 2: I think they made it. Okay, I think they made it. 662 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 3: But also because I speak in movie terms, you know 663 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 3: what I mean, Like, I just I love the I 664 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 3: love the idea that they escaped, that they were in Brazil. 665 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,479 Speaker 2: You know that they were just like, you know, traveling 666 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 2: around doing this show. 667 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: What I've realized is that that when they fucking escape, 668 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: instead of being like, all right, I'm gonna go lay 669 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: low somewhere, they just commit stupid shit and they're just 670 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: like kind of flashy about it. These guys sound like 671 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: the type that would be like, fuck it, we made 672 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: it through. We're getting the fuck out of here, and 673 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: we're never speaking of this again. And it would make 674 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: sense that as an old man, he would be like 675 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: I got to get this off my chest. 676 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 2: Just it was me. Just please don't put me in prison, 677 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 2: and then I'll tell you everything. And you know what 678 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 2: I'm saying. They just seemed like more even keeled guys. 679 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 2: But I don't fucking know them. 680 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 3: I'm asking myself now, I do believe that they escaped. 681 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 3: I'm putting myself in those shoes and just wondering if 682 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,719 Speaker 3: I was going to die. What I want people to 683 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 3: know that I did that I'm legendary. What you know 684 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 3: what I mean, I don't know. 685 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 2: You're about to die, You're about to. 686 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 3: Night. Well I'm probably going to live to like one 687 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,439 Speaker 3: hundred and ten, but I. 688 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 2: Still have to get scenarios right in this area. 689 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: You're about to die, and you wouldn't tell people to 690 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: the course, I can't forget about it, forget about like 691 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: about to die yet dead. 692 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 2: So I'm dead. 693 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 3: I'm with God, and I'm like, just send me, just 694 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 3: send me back down, so I could just let everybody know. 695 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: What's your what's your takeaway from the story. Do you 696 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: have a takeaway with one part that really stood out 697 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: to you. 698 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 2: I just love the creativity. 699 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost controversial to say these days that you 700 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 3: have a choice, but I believe in the power of choice, 701 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 3: you know. And I was raised that way with my 702 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 3: parents who were immigrants, you know, and came to this country. 703 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 3: Like they didn't care what was in front of me, 704 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,479 Speaker 3: they didn't care what rules were around me. They didn't 705 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 3: care that nobody hadn't done it before. Like that's the 706 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 3: mindset that I had, right, you know, like there was 707 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 3: always a possibility, there is a way. And what I 708 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 3: love is that these men had the creativity, and like 709 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 3: the information was all around them, whether it was popular 710 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 3: mechanics or you know, whether it was trusting yourself to 711 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 3: another human being and spitballing with them a little bit, 712 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 3: you know, like but their mindset was like, eh, I'm 713 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 3: not going. 714 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 2: To be here that long. 715 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,439 Speaker 1: Well, to your point, what strikes me is the potential lost. 716 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: You know, if these guys they're so creative, they didn't 717 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: let it bring them down. They read the room, like 718 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: you said, and fuck you. You just like wish that people 719 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: like this could have like had the opportunity to become 720 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: something amazing as opposed to like their biggest feed being escaping. 721 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:51,760 Speaker 2: From a prison. 722 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 3: Right. 723 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: I know, brother, I love fucking talking to you, and 724 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: I just want to ask you if if you have 725 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: anything that we should look out for. 726 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 3: I'm home now from from Roadhouse Mayans season five. 727 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: People should binge watch the show if they haven't. You 728 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: are incredible in Mayan's It's such a cool exploration of character. 729 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: And also because you're a wonderful human being, dude, And 730 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: it's been a fucking pleasure talking to you anyway. 731 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 2: For the Model Shops. For the Model Shop, my name 732 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 2: is Arturo. 733 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: This is j D. 734 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:26,359 Speaker 2: Yeah bye, guys, Love you guys, Thank you so much. 735 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: Radi's Escapes is a production of iHeartRadio and Film Nation 736 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 1: Entertainment in association with Gilded Audio. 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