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Speaker 1: I'm here joined by Meek and Brian. Derek is out
Speaker 1: for today, but we finally got stuff to talk about
Speaker 1: on the show. A lot of recent news that have happened.
Speaker 1: Yesterday was a pretty busy day for the Cowboys, and
Speaker 1: I think maybe the best way to start the show
Speaker 1: is just kind of go through the timeline of events.
Speaker 1: We'll start off with the guys that the guy the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have signed, and then we'll get into the guys
Speaker 1: that have kind of parted ways or the reports out
Speaker 1: there that they're moving on and going to other teams.
Speaker 1: So let's start off with mister Donovan Wilson, big big
Speaker 1: signing for the Cowboys. They decided to offer him a
Speaker 1: three year deal and he's staying here in Dallas. Uh,
Speaker 1: what do you guys feel about this move? I like it.
Speaker 1: I think it's a real good move for them and
Speaker 1: for him and also more than anything, you know, he's
Speaker 1: a guy that gets around the football. I tweeted that
Speaker 1: yesterday and not many guys in the league. Can you
Speaker 1: do what he does seventy five tackles, plus he had
Speaker 1: a hundred tackles. But like you know, he gets interceptions,
Speaker 1: he gets some sacks, he gets forced fumbles, fumble recoveries.
Speaker 1: But what I love the most about him is that
Speaker 1: he brings the swag, brings the toughness. He's not afraid
Speaker 1: of anybody. Gets a few penalties now and then, but
Speaker 1: for the most part, he plays with a really aggressive
Speaker 1: style and I think the Cowboys need that, so I
Speaker 1: think that that's a big part to happen back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this was one of those when Nick and I were
Speaker 1: like at the Super Bowl and then the combine and
Speaker 1: then you were kind of getting the feeling that there
Speaker 1: really was a pretty wide gap between what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: were going to be willing to offer and then what
Speaker 1: you know, what what Wilson wanted. And I know the
Speaker 1: more that that you would kind of work through to
Speaker 1: this day of yesterday, well of yesterday, and then getting
Speaker 1: it done. You just kept hearing about Mike McCarthy, Dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: You know, they're like, we need Donovan Wilson back. That
Speaker 1: was one of those you know, when they when they
Speaker 1: go back, when they when they started to really evaluate
Speaker 1: where they needed to be for twenty twenty three, the
Speaker 1: first name you kept hearing was Donovan Wilson. Donovan Wilson.
Speaker 1: And you know, I really do believe that there was
Speaker 1: that gap there and the Cowboys, Adam Pacific and those
Speaker 1: guys did a really good job of taking the coach's
Speaker 1: wishes and pushing that thing as far as they could
Speaker 1: push it to get this thing done. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: we give I mean, I give the Cowboys a lot
Speaker 1: of grief about some of the offseason the signings or
Speaker 1: lack of and all that, and I always like to
Speaker 1: sign their own guys, but this was one of those
Speaker 1: signings where I kind of went, yeah, this made a
Speaker 1: lot of sense, and I think it got really pushed
Speaker 1: through because the staff really wanted him and they you know,
Speaker 1: the vision for the player. And again I give the
Speaker 1: Cap guys a lot of credit for getting this thing
Speaker 1: done the way they did because it was it was
Speaker 1: a it was a pretty significant gap between them and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys when this thing first started. Yeah, when we
Speaker 1: talked about it last week, we were mentioning that we
Speaker 1: all would like to have him back, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: very difficult a guy like him to probably get the
Speaker 1: money that he would be making. Do we have the
Speaker 1: amount of kind of how much love was three years,
Speaker 1: twenty four million dollars? Yeah, I don't, And I think
Speaker 1: it's a two year deal that is really what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it can get up to twenty four, but I think
Speaker 1: a lot of things have to happen. He has to make,
Speaker 1: like career numbers and interceptions and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: I think it's really more of a seven year deal,
Speaker 1: but a seven year per million per year. But you know,
Speaker 1: you look at the guy was at Bates from it.
Speaker 1: They got a big deal. It's like fourteen million or
Speaker 1: something like that. And that's what you're saying. I think
Speaker 1: that that Wilson's you know, camp thought that maybe you know,
Speaker 1: he was going to be in that range, and you know,
Speaker 1: he had a chance. I think he was an alternate
Speaker 1: for a Pro Bowl. He was up there. You know,
Speaker 1: he had a chance to to to go to that
Speaker 1: and that probably would have helped his cause for the negotiation.
Speaker 1: But you know, a good player brings a lot to
Speaker 1: the you know, defense and toughness, and I think I
Speaker 1: think they really needed to have that three headed monster
Speaker 1: back there at safety. Um, I think everyone's happy here
Speaker 1: would this side. I think that was the one. Well,
Speaker 1: that was the one. I mean, it was a day
Speaker 1: for me of surprises. Yesterday was a day of surprises.
Speaker 1: When they you know they get that done, you're going
Speaker 1: to talk about the vander esh I mean, talking to
Speaker 1: people around the league, I kind of felt like that
Speaker 1: was a fifty fifty proposition at best. They were there
Speaker 1: was a couple of teams involved, Chargers, the Steelers were involved.
Speaker 1: So again, you know, the front office give them credit.
Speaker 1: We usually say they sit on their hands and they
Speaker 1: don't try. And you know they you know, Vanderesh was
Speaker 1: a very important player to him last year, Wilson was
Speaker 1: an important player. And then you know the trade that
Speaker 1: they were able to make to a guy that could
Speaker 1: still play at a very high level. I said, they
Speaker 1: had a pretty damn good day, you know, trying to
Speaker 1: help their football team. Well, let's go ahead and jump
Speaker 1: into the vander Esh deal. Pretty interesting how everything has
Speaker 1: turned out for him. He gets drafted by the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: has a very nice rookie season, then every year because
Speaker 1: of the injuries, he kind of goes down as far
Speaker 1: as performance. Then he gets to the fifth year option
Speaker 1: that they don't give to him, he kind of goes
Speaker 1: and test the market. Turns out he ends up back
Speaker 1: here with the Cowboys on a one year deal, and
Speaker 1: last year he did a really really good job, and
Speaker 1: now he's offered a two year deal to stay here
Speaker 1: in Dallas. Another surprise. You talk about surprises. That was
Speaker 1: surprising to me, but I think he did deserve it,
Speaker 1: And just want to hear your thoughts on kind of
Speaker 1: like what he brings back to the Cowboys and this
Speaker 1: whole deal, just having him here again with this defense.
Speaker 1: I think that he's um. He thought he was going
Speaker 1: to get a lot more money for the second year
Speaker 1: in a row. I think he thought he was going
Speaker 1: to get more money. So I don't know how happy
Speaker 1: he really is with the deal. I mean, yes, he's
Speaker 1: happy to be back with the cow Boys and all that,
Speaker 1: but I think, you know, there's just to disconnect on
Speaker 1: what maybe they think that his market is and then
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys like and other teams. I think other
Speaker 1: teams honestly are afraid of the injury that that's that's
Speaker 1: exactly what it is. That's exactly what it is. And
Speaker 1: pre draft, there's teams that failed him on the physical
Speaker 1: you know, I mean there were before he was draft,
Speaker 1: before he was even drafted, And so what happens is
Speaker 1: teams have this, Okay, these are the problems that we
Speaker 1: run into that won't even let us draft this player.
Speaker 1: So there's teams out there that won't even touch him
Speaker 1: even though he's played and played at a high level.
Speaker 1: There's teams that but there's also the same teams will say, well,
Speaker 1: missus games. He's missing games. Oh what is it. Oh
Speaker 1: well it's a shoulder. Oh it's a stinger. Oh it's
Speaker 1: a neck. Oh it's this. See, So that that's their justification,
Speaker 1: you know why they don't. And you know, for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: they understand what he is, they understand his his uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the great things he can do. They also
Speaker 1: can live with the fact that they're going to deal
Speaker 1: with potentially the stingers, the neck, the back and other
Speaker 1: things the shoulders and things that you know, could set
Speaker 1: him back two or three games. Yeah, with with Micah
Speaker 1: Parson's playing the way he does and where he does,
Speaker 1: and he's all over the place, and you need Layton
Speaker 1: vander As. You need that stability at inside linebacker. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, they don't have a lot of linebackers on
Speaker 1: this roster. Um. I was looking at that before he signed.
Speaker 1: I mean, they only had like four guys and one
Speaker 1: of them is really a pass usher in Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1: With Brill Cox, Demon Clark and Devin Harper, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a young, inexperienced linebacker. So I think it was
Speaker 1: important to get Layton in there. And and you know,
Speaker 1: and if he's a little vill salty about the deal,
Speaker 1: which you know, and he always carries a chip on
Speaker 1: his shoulder, that's that's great. He plays well like that.
Speaker 1: So at least he was smiling on the picture that
Speaker 1: was high. He had a nice smile. Yeah. Well, he
Speaker 1: I think he had a couple of options, you know,
Speaker 1: from talking to people around the league. He had a
Speaker 1: couple of options, I believe, and the Cowboys were you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's played here, you know he has familiarity,
Speaker 1: you know, with Dan Quinn, you know, with what's going
Speaker 1: on with the defense. He's he's a big part of
Speaker 1: how well they played defense last year. And Nick's absolutely right.
Speaker 1: You just I know from a fact we're about to
Speaker 1: do the draft show after our show here today. This
Speaker 1: is not a very deep draft when it comes to linebackers.
Speaker 1: You know, the Cowboys, you know, giving the extra year,
Speaker 1: you know, giving maybe a little bit more to get
Speaker 1: him to sign back here as a big play on
Speaker 1: their part. That's reading what's going on in the draft.
Speaker 1: You know that, hey, we might not know. They've got
Speaker 1: young guys that are really I mean, we've talked about
Speaker 1: Damon Clark, We've talked about Jabril Cox, We've these guys
Speaker 1: are yet to show what they what they're capable of doing.
Speaker 1: I think there's been some flashes, but I don't don't
Speaker 1: know if necessarily it's the point where you're saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's throw him out there and see what happens. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you watch, if you watch Clark play without Vanderish,
Speaker 1: he looked like a totally different player, and not in
Speaker 1: a good way. He looked like a guy that was
Speaker 1: wait a minute. You're not telling me, Anthony Barr, what
Speaker 1: this formation is gonna do. You know, you're not telling
Speaker 1: me where to go. You're not you know, late vandersh
Speaker 1: was the one guy in that defense that everybody looked
Speaker 1: up to, and you know, and and and kind of that,
Speaker 1: if you want to use the old phrase, the glue
Speaker 1: of what was holding that thing together. Now real quick,
Speaker 1: you mentioned Nike the whole like maybe he could possibly
Speaker 1: be a little salty with the deal. We don't know that, right,
Speaker 1: but I was gonna say, what do you think is
Speaker 1: the difference, uh this year compared to last year where
Speaker 1: he kind of did go into the market. The Francency
Speaker 1: officially stars this afternoon at three pm. Of course, legal
Speaker 1: tampering has been happening since Monday. What do you think
Speaker 1: is the difference this year versus kind of last year
Speaker 1: where they did decide to kind of test the water.
Speaker 1: Last year was a little unique and I'm not sure
Speaker 1: exactly what happened, but from what I was told is
Speaker 1: that there was one team that was really sold on
Speaker 1: him all the way and that where he was going
Speaker 1: there and then at the last second, the chair kind
Speaker 1: of got pulled out from under him and they signed
Speaker 1: another player and then that he was kind of left
Speaker 1: holding the bag and so he had to come back
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys. And you know, anyway, and he had
Speaker 1: a really good season this year. I don't think it
Speaker 1: happened like that. I think that they thought the market
Speaker 1: would be a little higher. And you know, it starts,
Speaker 1: it's supposed to start Monday, with all the discussions, I'm
Speaker 1: sure it starts back at the combine and after it
Speaker 1: starts earlier than that, and those agents talking to him,
Speaker 1: so they kind of know what the number is and
Speaker 1: so you know, I think that. But also, like Brian says,
Speaker 1: I think he sees the fit here too. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: sees the fit with Quinn. And he can play with
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons. You can play with you know, now you
Speaker 1: can play with the secondary. That's pretty damn good. I
Speaker 1: mean the secondary is now starting to get I mean
Speaker 1: starting to look pretty good. And this is before the draft. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: then yesterday they made a trade with the Colds. They
Speaker 1: traded a fifth round pick in exchange for cornerback stuff
Speaker 1: on Gilmore. He's a guy that has experienced a lot
Speaker 1: of experience, a veteran guy that and we were talking
Speaker 1: about this Brian before the break, you know the picture
Speaker 1: that was taken with Michael Parsons and Trevon Diggs that
Speaker 1: they're just kind of happy and one in the jersey
Speaker 1: and all that. And now they have him as a teammate.
Speaker 1: What does this type of addition mean for the Catboys?
Speaker 1: Let Brian start with them because you studied them a
Speaker 1: lot even when the Colts. Yeah, this is something this
Speaker 1: guy can still play. And you know when you start
Speaker 1: to talk about he could play inside, he could play outside.
Speaker 1: He can match up with the tight ends. That's something
Speaker 1: that he's you know, big wide receivers, smaller wide receivers,
Speaker 1: that kind of doesn't matter. This guy, you know, he's
Speaker 1: not going to get h He's not going to get
Speaker 1: taken advantage of. Sometimes you see these corners and they
Speaker 1: can't play a certain they can't play a certain side,
Speaker 1: they can't play against certain players. They you know, when
Speaker 1: you put him against quick guys, they kind of lose
Speaker 1: their their way that this guy is not that way.
Speaker 1: I mean, he wants to play off, he wants to
Speaker 1: break on the ball. That's kind of his game. Had
Speaker 1: an interception last year in the Dallas game, had five
Speaker 1: targets thrown at him too caught. You know, he's like
Speaker 1: a fifty percent when it comes to targets to catch
Speaker 1: a ratio, he's you know, one of the top if
Speaker 1: you're believing the metrics and those things. He's one of
Speaker 1: the top cornerbacks the league. I think the top six
Speaker 1: when it comes to you know, being able to play
Speaker 1: pass defense. But he's got really good instincts. His ball
Speaker 1: skills have always been excellent with him. He's a physical
Speaker 1: cover style of a corner. And you know that's something
Speaker 1: when you start to talk about maybe Digs on the
Speaker 1: other side, Gilmore on the other and then they could
Speaker 1: play a little bit more of that that man coverage,
Speaker 1: get up on somebody, bring Parsons, bring pressure. Now play
Speaker 1: on the outside and be this is this is a big,
Speaker 1: big upgrade for the Dallas Cowboys. And this was one
Speaker 1: of those that we thought the upgrade was going to
Speaker 1: come through the draft. And it's still might it's still
Speaker 1: might even and you know, you look at you know,
Speaker 1: you look at you know what that they've been able
Speaker 1: to do. And I think this is the end of
Speaker 1: you know of an Anthony Brown. Guys like that, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with Jordan Lewis because Deron Bland
Speaker 1: has shown that he could play inside, he could play outside.
Speaker 1: So right now, is Nick mentioned this is a group
Speaker 1: that can match up with you, lock you down, and
Speaker 1: then be able to sick that pass rush on him
Speaker 1: that they want to do. You know what I like
Speaker 1: about you know that that photo that you're talking about
Speaker 1: with with Gilmore and um, you know Parsons and Diggs,
Speaker 1: is that you know, here here are young guys that
Speaker 1: they know who the good player is. You know, they
Speaker 1: have ultimate respect by that, And I would imagine Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons is not letting the jersey go to just anybody
Speaker 1: that's asking for it. You know, he needs to be
Speaker 1: you know, to get some value for it. And they
Speaker 1: obviously see that. So you know, a lot of high
Speaker 1: high respect there. And I'll say this to anyone that says, well,
Speaker 1: if he was so good, why would he give a
Speaker 1: fifth round pick? I do remember the Raiders trading a
Speaker 1: fourth round pick for Randy Moss to New England and
Speaker 1: he still had plenty of the years left. He was
Speaker 1: still setting records in New England. So sometimes just getting
Speaker 1: him off your your the books and off you know, payroll,
Speaker 1: and and they're just ready to move on and also
Speaker 1: helped the player, and you just get what you're gonna
Speaker 1: get for me. He's probably gonna cut him in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: new coaching staff in you know, same general manager, new
Speaker 1: coaching staff in in Uh, they're Innapolis in Indiapolis. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean it's a compensatory five. It's not.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not giving up the twenty sixth pick
Speaker 1: of the draft to go get a guy. You're giving
Speaker 1: up a pick that you got for losing somebody at
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson in free agency or somebody like that. That's
Speaker 1: what you're getting. You're giving up to go get a
Speaker 1: guy that could still play at a high level. I
Speaker 1: was talking to my guys, my gang is seven around
Speaker 1: the league. They're super positive. Like Dallas went and made
Speaker 1: a nice trade here. This is one of those that
Speaker 1: kind of when you look at the salary, the level
Speaker 1: of play, the experience, I've heard nothing but good things about.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you the friendship that Jerry Jones and Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick have. Jerry Jones probably before this trade was made,
Speaker 1: got on the phone with Bill Belichick and was asking
Speaker 1: about Stefan Gilmour and asking Bill, give me some trades,
Speaker 1: give me some ideas, give me some thoughts, Like Jerry,
Speaker 1: this guy could still play. This is what he can do.
Speaker 1: And everybody tells you this guy is really really good
Speaker 1: in the locker room too. He's a leader, he's a
Speaker 1: guy that people like we say, look up to. So
Speaker 1: this this is one of those deals. Fifth round pick, sure, great, whatever,
Speaker 1: you know. That's hey, you got a guy that can
Speaker 1: legitimately still play. You didn't get a broken football player here,
Speaker 1: you got a rule football play. And he's proven that
Speaker 1: he can adapt to different styles, different schemes. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's played for this will be his fifth team. He's
Speaker 1: made the Pro Bowl for three different teams, the Bills,
Speaker 1: the Patriots in Carolina. Last year, he didn't make the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl for Indianapolis, played all sixteen games. But he's
Speaker 1: bounced around. But it seems like he bounced around and
Speaker 1: has it in a cornerback. You can do that. You
Speaker 1: cover your guy, you know, you kind of know what
Speaker 1: the scheme is for the most part. You can adapt.
Speaker 1: And Dion Sanders bounced around. Yeah, and it's good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was really good. Dallas, San Francisco Baltimore. Finally have
Speaker 1: a show title. Now, I could just title the show
Speaker 1: right now. Brought us comparison to Dion Sanders. You can
Speaker 1: just do that. You know what we need to go
Speaker 1: to break. But man, I'm getting freaking excited and pump
Speaker 1: about the defense already. And I have my little like
Speaker 1: you know, the little level and the little angel on
Speaker 1: each side of one's telling me stop at Amber, chill out.
Speaker 1: The other one is like, I'm freaking pumped like the
Speaker 1: fact that it feels right now to me that you're
Speaker 1: actually building on the defense, like you're building up rather
Speaker 1: than losing people. You still got dan Quinn, you're signing
Speaker 1: guys to add on or keep hearing Dallas and then
Speaker 1: bringing a guy like that too. And you got the draft.
Speaker 1: It's really deep in a lot with the exception of linebackers,
Speaker 1: this is a really deep draft defensive line, secondary, safeties. However,
Speaker 1: you want to fix this thing or even add on
Speaker 1: to it. Like you're talking, defense looking pretty pretty good
Speaker 1: right now, and it looks like they're building rather than
Speaker 1: just losing keep players this year. Let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: take our first break. When we come back, we're still
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Speaker 1: There you go, Bran. All right, let's talk about some
Speaker 1: of the guys that have left the team. We're start
Speaker 1: off with Noah Brown. He is supposedly going to the
Speaker 1: Texans on a one year deal. Was this a guy
Speaker 1: that you guys, we talked about it. We didn't necessarily
Speaker 1: expect him to be back with the Cowboys. I thought
Speaker 1: there was a possibility. Just was he signed four contracts,
Speaker 1: He's had four opportunities here while a while a long time. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that what we need to do is to
Speaker 1: give Noah Brown his credit. He never was Cedric Wilson
Speaker 1: or never became what Cedric Wilson was. But you can't
Speaker 1: talk about the Cincinnati game without talking about Noah Brown
Speaker 1: and what he was able to do on five targets
Speaker 1: with five catches, five really big catches, third down catches,
Speaker 1: fourth down catches. You know, unfortunately people remember what happened
Speaker 1: in the Jacksonville game, you know, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And with Noah, you know, he gave you everything he
Speaker 1: had on special teams. That was kind of his calling card.
Speaker 1: But you know, they wanted him to be more and
Speaker 1: he just really was. I think it's a great opportunity
Speaker 1: for him to go to a new staff there and
Speaker 1: Houston try and kind of figure some things out there
Speaker 1: with you know, with them, maybe maybe he gets a
Speaker 1: little bit more of a run to be that guy.
Speaker 1: Early in the season, I felt like he got some
Speaker 1: opportunities here. He just really couldn't It couldn't materialize like
Speaker 1: he wanted. But you know, Houston will give him an opportunity.
Speaker 1: You know, if he can fit in with a new
Speaker 1: quarterback down there be a good target and maybe get
Speaker 1: him more a longer term, more security deal in the future.
Speaker 1: I haven't gone to look at this, but I mean
Speaker 1: the seventh round of the twenty seventeen draft, I would
Speaker 1: imagine Noah Brown's probably played more games than anyone else
Speaker 1: and that picked in the seventh round. Maybe I'm missing
Speaker 1: a couple of guys, but but I mean, needless to say,
Speaker 1: he's had a great career based off of where and
Speaker 1: he still is. It's not over, I mean, but but
Speaker 1: but you got to give him credit. He stays in there,
Speaker 1: keeps his mouth shut. He just goes up there. He
Speaker 1: works and and you know, he's been kind of a
Speaker 1: big bodied receiver, played special teams. They've moved him some
Speaker 1: to tight end, you know, as a big blocker, but
Speaker 1: for the most part, he's just a big wide receiver
Speaker 1: that I thought, if if he's gonna be your fifth
Speaker 1: guy that can play special teams, it's a steal. But
Speaker 1: you know, you can't can't keep doing that. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he wants to be probably a three, maybe a two.
Speaker 1: And Houston, you know, they're not a good football team.
Speaker 1: You know that almost beat the Cowboys, but they're almost there.
Speaker 1: They weren't a good team last year. There's there's room
Speaker 1: for for you know, younger plays to go and succeed,
Speaker 1: and maybe he'll have a chance to do that. But
Speaker 1: I gotta give him credit though. He stayed in here
Speaker 1: a lot longer than I thought he would, and he
Speaker 1: had his moments, but yeah, he's he's not going to
Speaker 1: be your your two, number two receiver, and you know,
Speaker 1: at least not for the Cowboy Yeah. Yeah, No, he
Speaker 1: had a good run here with the Cowboys for a while.
Speaker 1: Uh my guy, look Giffer that I had so much
Speaker 1: hope for him just since the moment he got here
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. Unfortunately, never really became to me personally
Speaker 1: that type of linebacker I wanted him to be. But
Speaker 1: he's now going to the Titans on a two year deal. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think John fossil special teams coach, probably not happy
Speaker 1: about that one, because you know, he was a core
Speaker 1: special teams guy, led the team in tackles last year. Again,
Speaker 1: this is one of those opportunities that he's probably going
Speaker 1: to get the chance to play some defense, I would
Speaker 1: imagine with the contract um that he got, and and
Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe as a nickel and special teams um.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I think I think he was one
Speaker 1: of those players just like Connor McGovern, which maybe we'll
Speaker 1: get to but but just you want them. Here's your
Speaker 1: number to keep them and then when they get more
Speaker 1: than that, you just had to say, all right, good
Speaker 1: luck to you. Do you see this as a loss
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys brain, Yeah, I think this is one
Speaker 1: of those that they felt like that that he could
Speaker 1: have developed into the ability to play more, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's something that that when they fossil, you know,
Speaker 1: he was a core special teams guy. You started to
Speaker 1: see him work into some games too, and so it
Speaker 1: was like maybe three four snaps maybe a series and
Speaker 1: then you know, but he you know the guy, I
Speaker 1: mean he if you remember he really burst on the
Speaker 1: scene and like preseason and got hurt with the San
Speaker 1: Francisco preseason game and it hurt his knee, and but
Speaker 1: he was he was one of those guys that kept
Speaker 1: showing up when you know his rookie year and you're like, man,
Speaker 1: they might have got somebody here. And but the special
Speaker 1: team stuff was really really good. Hetty smart knows where
Speaker 1: to be, can finish as a tackler. You know, that's
Speaker 1: one of those ones that you know, I hope they
Speaker 1: don't look back and go, man, we had a vision
Speaker 1: for the player. We just didn't complete the mission. He
Speaker 1: goes on and has a decent, decent career, you know,
Speaker 1: with somebody else by the way, nick, uh, Chris Carson
Speaker 1: in the seventh round of that draft is the only
Speaker 1: one that has more catches than Noah Brown, the running
Speaker 1: back round back Seattle, Seattle. Yeah, he had one hundred
Speaker 1: and seven and Noah has eighty two. So the only
Speaker 1: one that's good. Um. Interesting, you know, don't look now,
Speaker 1: but I think both of the both of the players
Speaker 1: that lined up at fullback for the Cowboys last year,
Speaker 1: other than I guess the tight end McKellen are gone
Speaker 1: because you know, Gifford did it like for one game yea,
Speaker 1: and McGovern has done it as well. Yeah you know,
Speaker 1: and uh and of course will govern high market for
Speaker 1: these fullback I guess yeah, if you if you show
Speaker 1: you can you can block for even a snap or two. Well,
Speaker 1: McGovern has headed to the Bills. Another guy where another
Speaker 1: guy where. It was one of those things like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we would love to keep you, but but you know,
Speaker 1: you can't tell me that Buffalo just woke up Monday
Speaker 1: morning and decided they wanted to give him that. I
Speaker 1: think he was targeted by them for a long time.
Speaker 1: And that's that's one thing that I think he has
Speaker 1: to always be pointed out. McGovern is a good example
Speaker 1: for this to me is that when draft experts, and
Speaker 1: Brian is one of them, and and free agent experts,
Speaker 1: when they do their list of players and all that,
Speaker 1: you're you're doing it based off of fit and scheme
Speaker 1: for most teams. But but but sometimes a team can
Speaker 1: look at and go, you know what, that's the guy
Speaker 1: I want. I can I have a vision for the
Speaker 1: player that's a little bit different. We see it in
Speaker 1: the draft. You guys will be surprised on draft day
Speaker 1: that somebody you have as a fourth or fifth round
Speaker 1: guy goes in the second or third because that team
Speaker 1: just wants him and they can be right or wrong.
Speaker 1: But but so therefore, I don't think this was a
Speaker 1: case with McGovern where I don't think McGovern was on
Speaker 1: anybody's top one hundred free agent less. But the Bills
Speaker 1: are like, this is the guy we want, and this
Speaker 1: is where we see him, and you know, and that's
Speaker 1: why these scouting departments do what they do. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think the thing with McGovern was with the Cowboys, we
Speaker 1: really don't know, well, maybe you guys know. I know,
Speaker 1: me being at one oh five three the fan trying
Speaker 1: to kind of figure out things on the radio side
Speaker 1: of this whole thing with Tyron Smith. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: we're all trying to figure out is this sincere about
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith? Because you know, it's is there a cap savings?
Speaker 1: Are they going to really bring it back? Are they
Speaker 1: going to move Tyler Smith? They'll really the left guard?
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's so much that you really don't
Speaker 1: know right now. I mean, you know, I was kind
Speaker 1: of sitting there when with Jerry and Steven and then
Speaker 1: we're talking at the Senior Bowl and they were like,
Speaker 1: now we're bringing Zeke back, We're bringing Tyron Smith back.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, going, Okay, Well, they haven't had their
Speaker 1: meeting yet. They haven't had that meeting where they kind
Speaker 1: of go, Okay, this is where we are with the cap,
Speaker 1: this is where we are with playing. You know, we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens with Elliott. I'm sure we'll get into
Speaker 1: that a little bit. But the thing about it is
Speaker 1: with Tyron Smith is in fact, is he going to
Speaker 1: come back and play left tackle? You know? Is he
Speaker 1: going to go? And then are they going to play Tyler?
Speaker 1: Me personally, I'd just like to see Tyler Smith keep
Speaker 1: playing left tackle. You know, I felt like watching Tyron
Speaker 1: Smith play that everything was gonna be okay on that
Speaker 1: right side with him, felt like, oh, high level football,
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith is. You know, he made the switch. It
Speaker 1: wasn't the smoothest, it wasn't the most comfortable, and at
Speaker 1: times they struggled with him over there, you know, And
Speaker 1: that's a Hall of Fame player. But he moved from
Speaker 1: the left side to the right side. Are they going
Speaker 1: to now move him back over to his natural side
Speaker 1: and move Tyler Smith inside? Which I think Tyler Smith,
Speaker 1: I mean, you invested really the whole season in him
Speaker 1: playing left tackle. Yeah, I would like to see him
Speaker 1: in one spot and just that me too, me too,
Speaker 1: And that's kind of where I'm I'm kind of like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know where because and I'm
Speaker 1: used to saying all this because of them just letting
Speaker 1: McGovern go. You know, if if if Tyrn Smith was gone,
Speaker 1: there might have been more of a fight for McGovern
Speaker 1: to keep him at that left guard spot. Yeah. You
Speaker 1: know one thing that I was told um yesterday that
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about when he McGovern first left.
Speaker 1: But um, he's very forgettable sometimes, But I think there's
Speaker 1: people in the building that believe that Matt Farniak is
Speaker 1: just as good, if not with the highest ceiling. The
Speaker 1: McGovern he played that he played the Tampa game. If
Speaker 1: you remember the opening game where that Tampa or the
Speaker 1: game here in Dallas, he McGovern gets hurt and they
Speaker 1: immediately put Farniac in there and they play. You know
Speaker 1: that that was their guy. So yeah, to me, Farniac,
Speaker 1: I see kind of just a center body. That's what
Speaker 1: I see him as. I don't see him as with
Speaker 1: you do you remember us coming back here a game
Speaker 1: talking and giving him much. I mean he stepped in
Speaker 1: there and did fine because they were blocking Vita Vea
Speaker 1: and guys like that. I mean he was you know,
Speaker 1: it's not easy. But to me, I always I didn't
Speaker 1: ever with McGovern, I see bulk size, the fact that
Speaker 1: he could play center, the he could play guard. I
Speaker 1: think that's why Buffalo did what they did. They look
Speaker 1: at this guy like, man, this guy's got some versatility.
Speaker 1: Plus you know, he's got some toughness about him too,
Speaker 1: you know him and Tyler Smith did a nice job
Speaker 1: over there on that side. Yeah, they really really did
Speaker 1: that wasn't the issue. I think this is shaping up
Speaker 1: pretty well though. When you talked about the excitement on
Speaker 1: the defense, you know, I mean you just you look
Speaker 1: at what you have on your football team and again,
Speaker 1: and I say this all the time that people like
Speaker 1: to forget, but this was a good football team. This
Speaker 1: is a really good team. Last year they were one
Speaker 1: of the top six. There's three in the NFC, three
Speaker 1: in the AFC. They are one of them. And I
Speaker 1: promise you this. The teams that are that were good
Speaker 1: on the other side, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Kansas City. I would
Speaker 1: put Philly in there. Only Dallas and San Francisco figured
Speaker 1: out a way to win without their starting quarterback. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just don't believe that that that Josh Allen can
Speaker 1: miss five games for Buffalo and they'd be okay. I
Speaker 1: know Philly couldn't because we saw what was happening. My
Speaker 1: point is is that they have a good football team
Speaker 1: around them and that showed last year and now they're
Speaker 1: they're they're adding to it. They're keeping their guys and
Speaker 1: you know, if you had to go play a game tomorrow,
Speaker 1: which you don't, but I think that you know you're
Speaker 1: in a good situation there. But to your point of
Speaker 1: Brian about Tyron Smith, it is an interesting thing. I
Speaker 1: think something will happen today with him. Not I think
Speaker 1: he stays on the team. But I think you'll see
Speaker 1: some news on Tyron Smith today that they're going to
Speaker 1: keep him here. But where does he play? That's still
Speaker 1: see that's that's that's the question I have. If you
Speaker 1: get the restructure on the deal, then you know, is
Speaker 1: he is he going to be a swing? Is he
Speaker 1: going to be your Is he gonna be your Jason Peters?
Speaker 1: You know, I've I like to believe that. You know,
Speaker 1: if that's the case, you know, fine, because I think
Speaker 1: you need to play those young guys. I'll I've always
Speaker 1: admitted this, and I'll admit it till I leave this business.
Speaker 1: I was wrong about Tared Steele. You ran the ball
Speaker 1: really well with Terrence Steele in there. You didn't run
Speaker 1: the ball as well with with Tyren Smith plan over there.
Speaker 1: You just didn't. And you know, and so the quicker
Speaker 1: they could get Tared steelback. Now the thing about Steel
Speaker 1: real quick, his guy's gone, Joe Philbin is no longer
Speaker 1: in the building. Can Mike Solari continue the growth of
Speaker 1: what we've seen with with with with Terrence Steele, and
Speaker 1: you know, and the growth with well let's Go and
Speaker 1: Ball and farni Ac and you know, then these guys
Speaker 1: as well Let's go. That might that might be well,
Speaker 1: well let's go might be the one. I'm kind of
Speaker 1: the ball one. I'm kind of got one foot in
Speaker 1: the parking lot on He's kind of but with with
Speaker 1: Let's Go, he's missing, like he's got the sublexation problem
Speaker 1: with the shoulder. They get it fixed, he comes back
Speaker 1: and in training camp and he looks better. He hadn't
Speaker 1: practiced all year. They throw him in a preseason game
Speaker 1: and he looks better than the guy's been practicing the
Speaker 1: whole time. You know, that might be the one that
Speaker 1: all of a suddense like, ah, that light came on.
Speaker 1: Oh he got opportunity. Oh you know, a coach is
Speaker 1: helping him out here. That's that's the one. I'm keeping.
Speaker 1: Those those guys that come back after their first year
Speaker 1: and even their second year and see what they look
Speaker 1: like in the weight room. You know, well, let's go,
Speaker 1: it's got that tall frame. D like to see what
Speaker 1: happens with the whole, the whole, you know, year on
Speaker 1: the off season. Same with Farniac too, so um, you
Speaker 1: know with Steele coming back from the injury too, that
Speaker 1: you know, maybe this is a situation like hey, it'll
Speaker 1: it'll work itself out, you know. But you're right about
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith. I just and I said it a couple
Speaker 1: shows ago about Tyrone Crawford. I just don't want him
Speaker 1: to be a guy. It's playing a thousand positions, just
Speaker 1: moving around because he can do it. When when you're
Speaker 1: stunting his growth and I mean growth potential moving around,
Speaker 1: you got to stick to one spot. Especially Round moved
Speaker 1: around a little bit though didn't he did. But the
Speaker 1: thing about Larry Allen though, is that I don't have
Speaker 1: a good answer for this. But the thing with especially
Speaker 1: with a young guy, Larry Allen wasn't established and I know,
Speaker 1: but he was. You know, to me, Tyler Smith, that
Speaker 1: left tackle is a is a good deal, you know.
Speaker 1: And I that's your future, yea, that is your future.
Speaker 1: And you know and in the minute that we I
Speaker 1: and I hate to say this because I don't want
Speaker 1: to be this guy, but I I'll be this guy.
Speaker 1: The thing about it is, every time we talk about
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith, it's like, well, when is that, when's that time?
Speaker 1: When's that time? When? Oh, well, he woke up with
Speaker 1: back tightness today, oh woke up with the shoulder. Oh well,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, we're watching practice here out
Speaker 1: here at the at the Star, and and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, he's on the ground and you're like, did
Speaker 1: he hit anybody? You know? Did he? Oh he ripped? Yeah? Him, yeah,
Speaker 1: like him wanting to still be here. Oh no, No.
Speaker 1: The fact that your body gonna tell you know, the
Speaker 1: fact that he even moved over to right tackle. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's why the Cowboys are doing this or
Speaker 1: staying on this. I think the I think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are looking at this, the front office and the coaches
Speaker 1: are saying this Hall of fame left tackle saw with
Speaker 1: a situation and moved over to the right side to
Speaker 1: try and help the team. That's you know, his contract.
Speaker 1: When you look at tackles throughout the history, he was
Speaker 1: grossly underpaid. And I'm sorry to the cap guys if
Speaker 1: they're listening today, but you guys did a great job
Speaker 1: of getting that contract done because if you look at
Speaker 1: the grand scheme of thing of what tackles make, he
Speaker 1: was kind of underpaid. From that contract that he was.
Speaker 1: But that's that's what that's Tyren Smith. And that's what
Speaker 1: Zach Martin is too. When you look at what you
Speaker 1: know that they signed Zack Martin to a deal a
Speaker 1: few years ago and they still kind of move his
Speaker 1: money around and all that. And you're seeing what Lyndstrom
Speaker 1: you know, I guess as he a center from the
Speaker 1: guy from Atlantic, Yeah, because he's a guard. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was you making like a hundred million.
Speaker 1: I mean like, oh no, it's crazy. Yeah. And so
Speaker 1: Tyrant could have done that every year, you know, he
Speaker 1: really could have every year. He could have set it.
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Speaker 1: about to hit the end of the show, so and
Speaker 1: we do need to take a break. Let's take the break.
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Speaker 1: segment of the Break. We only have five minutes left
Speaker 1: if we're planning on finishing on time. So let's get
Speaker 1: into some of the reports out there. This is not
Speaker 1: official or anything in the team. We haven't heard officially
Speaker 1: from the Cowboy and what they're doing. But the reports
Speaker 1: floating around social media right now is that Zekiel Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Eliot he's supposedly going to get released from the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and that they didn't manage to work out a deal
Speaker 1: between the two. And this is something that has been
Speaker 1: kind of speculated for a while. We have heard weeks ago,
Speaker 1: even right after the season, possibly then working out a
Speaker 1: deal where Zeke would take a pay cut and still
Speaker 1: managed to stay on the team. But this is something
Speaker 1: that wouldn't necessarily be surprising, just because of how things
Speaker 1: have been kind of falling and knowing that it would
Speaker 1: possibly be hard to keep both running backs together. We
Speaker 1: know Tony Power got the tax, So where's the situation.
Speaker 1: What's what's happening? Nick? What can you say you expect? Now?
Speaker 1: I think Zeke um, we'll see what happens. But you know,
Speaker 1: this is one of those things where there's smoke, there's fire,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of smoke about this. We've talked
Speaker 1: about it. We said that that that we think I've
Speaker 1: said it. I don't know about we, but I think
Speaker 1: I think we've all kind of agreed that it's probably
Speaker 1: makes the most sense to do that. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't to release him, Um, you know, they don't want
Speaker 1: to lower his salary like like what they need him
Speaker 1: to do to be on this team. To me, he's
Speaker 1: gonna be If he was on this team, he'd be
Speaker 1: the third running back because you have to draft one.
Speaker 1: With Tony Pollard as a franchise tag, you have to
Speaker 1: draft a good one and then you got those two
Speaker 1: guys and then where does Zeke fall in. Last year's
Speaker 1: third running back made eight hundred, seven hundred thousand, Malie Davis,
Speaker 1: that's you're not going to offer him that. So I
Speaker 1: just think it's it's it's time, it's run its course,
Speaker 1: and it'll probably happen. That's what we've said before. And
Speaker 1: I think, you know, based off of report, so they're
Speaker 1: probably not wrong. We'll see what happens later today or tomorrow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's uh, you know, it's it's a it was a
Speaker 1: heck of a run if that's the case. And you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, they they've you know, it reminds me
Speaker 1: so much of I remember, I think this, well, okay,
Speaker 1: I think this is different from the Dez Bryant thing
Speaker 1: that we all went through. Remember that Nick and Amber
Speaker 1: when it when it was like we're waiting for that.
Speaker 1: Are they gonna do something? What are they gonna do?
Speaker 1: They're not gonna let him get into free agency? What's
Speaker 1: going on? Why they hold in? We get to April.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like Dez and Jerry. I remember, I remember,
Speaker 1: like I remember bumping into Dez in the hallway. I
Speaker 1: was over at the Video Department visiting with Robert Blackwell,
Speaker 1: and Dez came bouncing down the hall. He was meeting
Speaker 1: with Jerry there in the in the war room right
Speaker 1: there nixt to the and I remember he's like he
Speaker 1: was all so happy in this, that and the other.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, well great. And then you know,
Speaker 1: seven minutes later he's hustling out of here because it
Speaker 1: was over. You know, and we've seen we've seen him
Speaker 1: move on from guys, we've seen him move on from
Speaker 1: We've seen him move on from where from. You know,
Speaker 1: they've moved on from Terrell Owens. They've moved on for
Speaker 1: some from some guy is here, it moved on from
Speaker 1: Tony Romo, you know, so, uh, you know, this is
Speaker 1: one of those kinds when it was time, I think,
Speaker 1: I think Zeke did everything he could to help you
Speaker 1: win football games, and but just towards the point now
Speaker 1: where the contract is too much for for what you're
Speaker 1: for what you're trying to do, you know, or the
Speaker 1: way that the way he's playing, you know, it's weird
Speaker 1: and it's it's a sad day for me because I
Speaker 1: haven't experienced this yet. I haven't experienced a key play
Speaker 1: or a key member of the team, a guy that
Speaker 1: you drafted, a guy that was a star for your team,
Speaker 1: and then let's say he does get released. I havn't
Speaker 1: lived through that through the beginning and ending of a
Speaker 1: star player for the Cowboys. So it's just very uh
Speaker 1: sat from from my eyes, you know, it's just it's
Speaker 1: it sucks, and I still I would have loved to
Speaker 1: keep Zeke. But I do understand, like Nick mentioned, the
Speaker 1: business aspect of it, in the financial aspect and how
Speaker 1: it just doesn't seem like it's right. Well, that's the
Speaker 1: thing about it is that you know, teams get accused
Speaker 1: of keeping players too long, you know, and there's people
Speaker 1: probably will argue with the Cowboys that they kept Zeke
Speaker 1: probably too long. Yeah, but the fact that they're willing
Speaker 1: to you know, potentially. Again, nothing official here, nothing official,
Speaker 1: but all indications are kind of where like Nick says,
Speaker 1: with their smoke, there's fire. You just you feel like
Speaker 1: that that we've seen Zeke for the last time. And
Speaker 1: I hate to say it was him playing center in
Speaker 1: a game for the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, that was the
Speaker 1: last play. All right, Well, that is all the time
Speaker 1: we have for today, um, potentially a big day for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and free agency. We'll see what kind of
Speaker 1: moves happen today, what kind of other big signings or releases,
Speaker 1: potential releases happen today. Make sure to stay tuned on
Speaker 1: the website Dallas Cowboys dot com. We have a pretty
Speaker 1: cool tracker up there a free agency that you and
Speaker 1: go in check it out and you just easily see
Speaker 1: everything that has been happening with signing or guys that
Speaker 1: have parted ways with the Cowboys. So that's an easy
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