WEBVTT - Sarah Jessica Parker 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:04.880 Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:12.280 you a Charlotte? Oh my gosh, it's so exciting. Everybody 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:14.280 welcome to Are you a Charlotte? 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.560 Guess who my guest is, Sarah J. 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:18.320 Parker. 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:26.080 Do a little dance, Sarah, welcome. Let me tell you 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:27.200 everyone has been. 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:30.200 When is Sir Jusica coming? When is Sir Jaska coming? 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:35.680 Like so sweet? They're so excited about you. 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:38.479 Oh my god, what will you pull out of me? 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:40.520 I mean, I don't know. 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:43.800 But you just being here always, you always pull a 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:50.360 bit at me. It's very leading, and I'm so happy 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:52.959 to be here, and I'm so proud of you. And 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:59.440 you talked in your recent episode about you know, talking 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:01.959 to all about about this idea when it was presented 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:03.920 to you, and how excited you were about it, and 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:08.039 you said you couldn't remember the order, you know, with 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:11.200 whom you spoke about the idea, not asking for permission, 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.520 just talking about like how. And I do think I 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.000 do think you spoke to Michael Patrick first, because we 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:20.200 discussed it in a drug store. You were shooting the 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.720 scene where I'm not going to say anything, actually you 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:24.959 were we were shooting a scene for the current season, 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:27.839 and it was a it was a pretty big scene 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:29.480 that we had not been able to shoot. 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:32.480 We were making up for because I had COVID. That's right. 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:34.480 It had been at the top of the season, scheduled 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:35.600 very very early. 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:39.160 Or somewhat earlier on Sorry, and so. 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.000 We were that was one of those scenes that we 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:46.800 fun went to the affectually called the boneyard, and so 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.240 there we were quite and then you shared with me 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:53.560 this idea and which I thought was fantastic, And I mean, 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:55.240 I knew it was going to be great, and I 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:58.160 knew you would come so naturally to the idea, to 0:01:58.200 --> 0:01:59.640 the to the medium. 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:02.920 But you're doing such a good job. I'm so proud 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:03.160 of you. 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:05.280 I was such a great cheerleader. I mean, I don't 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:06.800 know if everyone realized to. 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:08.960 Be your cheerleader, because I love you so. 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.079 Much, so much, and I don't know. You know, it's the. 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:14.680 Kind of thing where sometimes I think, because all of 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.920 us have been together now for almost thirty years, and 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:23.440 to me it's really obvious all of the personal relationships 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:26.880 and the joys that we have of our personal selves. 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.800 But it isn't always so obvious because they're watching the 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:33.000 show right, and it's really interesting. And part of this 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.840 is also like the new world order, right, Like things 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:38.359 are so different now, and for me, I always feel 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:42.480 like we did so much press the whole time. I wondered, like, 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:46.160 how is anything not seen and or understood but the 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:47.560 press when you're talking. 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:50.079 About the inter relationships that are not that still are 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:53.760 sexually kind of unknown. Yes, yeah, like the fact that 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:55.680 we have affection for each other exactly. 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.200 Yeah, I now remember that time. I can't remember. 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:00.720 Oh, I think we went to an am far event 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:04.440 for Kevin Huvain and then we went to the abbey. 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:09.720 Do you remember out So there's very entertaining paparazzi pictures 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:11.200 of us trying to get out and get our car, 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:14.520 and Chelsea Handler was there and do you remember, Like 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:16.280 I had gone to check in with you, like are 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:16.760 you okay? 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.000 Do you want to go? And she was like, oh 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:20.600 my god, you guys like. 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:27.240 Each other, Like yes, what on earth it's mystifying to 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:31.520 us how it's a mystery to others. Yeah, but that's 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:38.760 a perfectly fine thing, too, correct, Like absolutely, if that's 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:44.040 not as well understood right as the stories, right, that's 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:44.880 perfectly all right. 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:45.160 Right. 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:46.560 Our job was the show. 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.320 Yeah, and we have done that job with all of us, 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.119 with every bit of our being now. 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.080 For twenty seven to twenty eight years, whatever it is. 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:58.240 But but the thing that's joyful for me about the podcast, 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:01.840 and really kind of the reason I want to do it, 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.440 was because I felt like, Okay, this is this thing 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:09.080 that we did in nineteen ninety seven, the pilot, it 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:14.760 like miraculously still has this life, which is amazing in 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.840 so many ways and so incredibly gratifying. And I thought, 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.360 wouldn't it be interesting to talk about how all these 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:24.279 different people came together, including our writers and our crew members, 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.720 which I haven't really gotten on yet, but I'm creating 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:27.880 a list and I need your input. 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:31.200 Well, right, yeah, there's much discuss there, right. 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:32.760 And like came together to make this thing. 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.520 And I do feel like everyone that we've had for 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.240 all of these years, like our job is not a 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:41.040 job you can kind of halfway do. Like it's a 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:47.039 full on intense situation and everyone has brought like all 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.599 of themselves, you know. And there was a time in 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:53.000 the olden days where like relationships went because of our show, 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:54.599 like things happened. 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:59.120 It was so much infiltraded. It was asking so much 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:06.839 of just the hours, and that it was problematic for 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:11.760 some families, like it was, and it's such an interesting thing, 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:15.680 and perhaps it's the case that, well we know, it 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:21.719 isn't always like it isn't always the case that people 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.919 fold into each other so beautifully. And when I say that, 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.440 I'm talking about our crew who did work alongside us 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.560 these extraordinary hours, you know, eighty one hundred hour weeks 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.239 for years on end, so much so that it almost 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:37.920 was like a badge of honor. You know, it was 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:43.560 like this thing that we all shared. But yeah, it 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:47.080 was you know, it's problematic for a family life. And 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:53.159 and but there is something really so this idea of 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:57.520 you wanting to touch on the crew feels like necessary 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.200 because I think we all felt and continue to feel 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.640 about this particular crew and that's just such great good 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:04.960 fortune that. 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:05.680 They were. 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:12.159 Truly part of it in a way that could not 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:15.159 have happened without them. And it's such a it's like 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:19.840 such a you know, you can't plan it or plot it, 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:24.440 like if we had picked those people with knowledge and said, oh, 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.240 you're the best, you're great, and you're going to mature 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.440 and then you're going to become operator, and then you're 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:31.240 going to become a deep You're going to do this, 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:32.640 and you're going to do this, and we're going to 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:36.120 you know, promote from and your personalities and you're smart 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.800 and you're shy, and what you bring in, like if 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:43.520 we had planned it, not a ray, right, So it's 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:48.599 lightning in a bottle, But they are all The kind 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:54.640 of sentiment that we feel about that first chapter of 0:06:55.120 --> 0:07:01.360 being these characters is in no small way because of 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:03.760 the entirety of the organism. 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:05.839 Absolutely, they held us up. 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:08.839 We were the faces and I feel like we. 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:14.280 It was an exchange, like it was a constant exchange 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:19.720 of admiration and a kind of favor, like a kind 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:23.280 of debt, and we passed back and forth. 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:26.480 And the fact that people still love the show, I 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:30.120 feel like is honoring all of that commitment from all 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:31.080 of the people. 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:32.679 That had been part of it for all this time. 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.960 That was the third party that was that completed. It 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:37.800 was the audience, right, you know. So we had the 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:41.280 we had the cast and crew, and that meant, you know, 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:43.560 our writers and our directors, and then we had our crew, 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.560 our working crew who were in front of us and 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.080 behind us. And then we have the audience, and it 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.760 was that pie that was cut up in those you know, 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:57.920 very consequential thirds, and everybody contributed to do right by 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:00.360 everything and constantly and. 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:04.000 It's ongoing, which is the part that I find. It's 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.239 more gratification than I ever could have dreamt up because 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.720 we were happy anyway, like when we thought we were 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.920 going to be a small cult following back in the 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:13.880 year that we're cult. 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:15.320 Sorry, didn't you learn your lessons? 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:19.560 This is why just on every episode I have to step. 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.080 I did not say that where we thought. 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.800 We would be a tiny niche a tiny niche show. 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.200 You know what's so funny, they'll tell me. Listening to you, 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:30.200 I feel like you had thoughts. 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:34.160 I had none, I agree, And that's what I want 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:34.960 to talk about about. 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:38.000 So many thoughts and feelings and projections. 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.560 And you were far more. 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:46.720 Like lucid about like a place and a time and 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:52.360 I wouldn't say success so much so as like future, 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:58.720 and I feel like you were far more like enlightened 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:03.600 on landscape and you know, and I just didn't. So 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.559 I never had a thought that it would be either 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:11.360 seen and approved and a small audience would find it delightful, 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.320 and that would be enough, or that it might reach 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:14.839 larger numbers than you. 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.560 Didn't think of any of a boutique or niche she No, 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:18.480 I didn't. I didn't. 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.520 Wow. No, fascinating. 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:22.760 I mean, I thought about how I felt about making 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.880 the decision to do it. You know, tell us about them, 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:27.920 tell us about the decisions. 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.800 Please tell us, because I love to hear about what 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.560 was happening in people's lives before we started, because I 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:36.240 don't always know, and. 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:40.040 I know you've you've credited me with being a person 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:41.160 that I was. 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:42.559 Definitely I feel. 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.400 Like, my gosh, she thought I was like a New 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.040 York you were, you. 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:51.720 Were never away? No, you know, no, I absolutely was not. 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.319 Absolutely not. I feel like I knew. 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:59.079 Stephanolo's and had more that I had ever even heard 0:09:59.080 --> 0:09:59.520 of when. 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.160 I met you. I feel like, come on, still, the characterization. 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:03.040 I feel like I was not. 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.480 But I lived in New York, and I think that 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.640 is a distinction that you were surely drawing forth myself 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.880 and Cynthia, and I think Kim too, knew New York 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.640 pretty well though she hadn't been she'd been better than myself, 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:17.359 somewhat scattered. 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:23.920 Like she had traveled. Yeah, but I Initially got. 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.800 Was asked about the show by my agent, Kevin ey 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.800 Vane sent me either it. 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:31.720 Was a phone call. 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:37.360 I'm certain it wasn't an email, because this was nineteen 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:42.920 ninety seven or ninety six ninety seven in situation, that's right. 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:44.199 And he. 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.000 So he sent me the script with a cover letter, 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:51.440 very traditional for those of you who don't know what 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:53.240 that is. There's a script and there's typically it's a 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.520 companied by a cover letter from your agent or whoever 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.840 is submitting it. Nell explained, you know, this is a project, 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.240 it's shooting in New York. You have been off the 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.800 role of blank, the producer is blank, the director is blank, 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:07.480 or they have no director set yet. This is HBO, 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:09.439 this is the studio, this is the network. 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:10.200 And you were like wow. 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:15.520 And so Kevin called me and said, Darren has asked 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:22.960 about meeting you to discuss this and and he said 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.400 he wrote this like I was in his head in 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:28.360 some way, which I found really interesting. 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:30.360 Was perfectly happy. 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:34.560 To meet with him. And I did say I knew 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:38.079 Darren Starr's name from Beverly Hills nine O two and 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:43.400 O and Meloe's place, and I was pretty familiar with 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:47.520 Candas's work as a reader of The Observer, which was 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:51.280 a fairly well known New York paper that a lot 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.679 of us reached for. Its distinction was that it was pink, 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:58.720 which was kind of unusual. And coincidentally or not, I 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:02.480 had been sent a copy of her book that Darren 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.400 had then bought the rights to, and that book was 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.280 a compilation of all of her columns for the New Yorker, 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:09.599 for The Observer. 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:11.199 And so I did know that. 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:12.920 And I don't know why I was sent a copy 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:14.959 of the book, but I was, and I enjoyed it. 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:16.000 And there were some in. 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:19.480 Particular, No, there were some in particular columns that I loved. 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:25.720 So I read the script and loved it. And I 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.439 was doing a musical on Broadway at that time, Princess. 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.920 I was doing Once upon a Mattress. I saw it 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:39.080 and thanks, and and I was going to get I 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:39.640 was going to. 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:41.959 Get married, and secret. 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:47.120 It was a secret, yes, and uh, and I had 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:53.079 a wedding date and I didn't really want to mess 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.760 with that date. And because I kind of I had 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:59.120 understood that maybe it was shooting around the exact same time, 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:04.040 and we had cleared that date primarily because all of 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.160 our friends who worked in the theater only have mondays 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.440 off SOT. Our wedding was on a Monday, and yeah, 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.439 and so I met with Darren and I, you know, 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:17.440 I told him I loved it and that I thought 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:24.800 it was especially compelling, and that I, you know, my 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:28.680 only objections, and I feel like objections is almost too 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:29.320 strong a word. 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:30.200 I I. 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:37.080 Alerted him to the fact that I didn't do scenes nude, 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:40.880 that I just, for whatever reason, right or wrong, I 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:42.480 just never felt comfortable doing that. 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.559 And he was like, well, that's then we won't and 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:46.240 we shan't. 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.679 And I said that I also wanted to be a 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.319 little thoughtful about language. 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:57.720 That I wanted to make sure that Carrie cared about. 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.480 What words came out of her mouth, that if she 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.160 was a right and being thoughtful about her use of language, 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.560 and a column even amongst friends where you can get 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:11.560 purposefully sloppy, you know, especially if you're drinking, that I 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.480 still wanted her to be somebody that wasn't just tossing 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:18.480 around let's call him, you know, bad words. 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:21.120 So those were the two things. 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:23.320 And the last thing I shared with him was, you know, 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:27.120 I'm getting married on this date, and we couldn't take 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.920 a honeymoon because my husband was soon to be husband 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.200 was shooting a movie anyway, and I had to go 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:35.360 back to work to once for a mattress the next 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:39.080 morning next day, and he was great about all of it. 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:40.920 And it was at that meeting actually that he said, 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:44.400 you know, you should produce. I was like, I don't 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:46.560 know how to produce. I've never produced anything. And he's like, well, 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:48.160 of course, you know how. You've been on a set 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.640 your whole life basically, And I said yeah, But he's like, 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:52.520 were you paying attention? 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:53.120 Were you watching? 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.040 Were I was like, well, yes, because I'm curious anyway, 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:00.280 I said, but I don't really think that I have 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.400 that skill, and I would feel very. 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:07.560 Like a fraud. So I said them, be a consultant. 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.400 So that's that's how that started. 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:11.040 I started. 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.480 So we worked out all the dates and I actually 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:20.360 closed the show on one day and woke up the 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.040 next morning and walked to the set of the you 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.440 know or went to the set at the pilot yeah, 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.840 which I believe was a possible note wasn't. I can't 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:31.080 remember where it was, but anyway, did the show the 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:32.040 next like. 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:33.680 Woke up the next morning and then went. 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:37.400 To shoot this pilot of this TV show. 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.560 This is what I want to know because in my mind, okay, 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:50.840 so I was in La right, and I knew Darren, 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:51.480 but we. 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:52.080 Weren't working together. 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:54.120 It wasn't like I was seeing him often. But he 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:56.280 had sent me the script. And also, did you know 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:59.240 that Cynthia also had read for Kerrie? 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.320 Really so interesting? 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:04.080 Right? 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:08.640 Yeah? Yeah, I'm sure I've known that, right, we've talked. 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:09.480 I never knew this. 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:10.600 I never knew that. 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:11.680 Okay, then I didn't know it either. 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:13.560 Yeah, okay, I mean I was shocked and she said 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:17.680 they were like, no, not really, so ire. 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.080 Not, well, well I do. 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.760 I mean I feel like and I mean this again 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:26.160 is like that magical thing that happens occasionally that we 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.080 are lucky to be a part of, where none of 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:30.480 us had read together. You know, it was this very 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:33.120 kind of long process of casting the four of us, 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.440 and yet when we came together at the table read, 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.320 which I don't also remember, I do you do? 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:40.640 Tell me what you remember? 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:42.240 Hallelujahah? I remember. 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:52.640 I remember because I knew who Chris was, I knew 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:54.560 who everybody was. Cynthia and I we can talk about 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:59.640 since I had been working together and kind of collegially 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:05.280 friendly because we've both been an actor our whole lives basically. 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:10.240 And so I met Cynthia. I guess when I was 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.119 twelve years old. Wow, I think the first time we 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.640 worked together. The first time we worked together was when 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:19.920 I was thirteen and or almost thirteen, and she was twelve. 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.840 She's one year younger than me. I think, exactly right, 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:23.280 both of us. 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.160 Yea, is this the Vanessa Redgrave. 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:29.000 No, we did a recording of a little House on 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:32.000 the Prairie when they used to make records. Oh my god, 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:35.399 her people. Yeah, when I played Laura and she played Mary. 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:36.640 No. 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.640 Yeah, she's always. 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:44.720 More sophisticated, like every time we worked together. Believe, I'm 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:49.640 like the slightly rogue and she's but she has a quality. 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.040 But anyway, so, wow, I didn't know that I didn't 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.359 know you. I knew who you were. I didn't know Kim. 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:57.919 I knew who she was. Cynthia and I knew one another, 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:04.639 and I knew who Chris was. Was I believe because 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:12.159 of the whole Yale fraternity of Yale Drama School, I 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.359 didn't know that graduates like it was a thing in 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.879 New York got it. Yeah, so that was kind of 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:20.239 like out Law and Order. Oh, I definitely knew him 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.439 from Law and Order, but I wasn't like a I 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.040 didn't have like a standing date to watch Lawn Order 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:28.000 every week. But there weren't a lot of shows shooting 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.119 in New York, and he was kind of this h 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.440 like I'd see him around. And so when we went 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:35.240 to do the table read, I believe we did the 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:41.040 table read far far West, and it was very dark, 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:44.760 a dark room, and I came up the stairs and 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:48.160 the tables were set up in a big square kind 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:52.280 of like now correct, but in a far more a 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:55.920 less polished space, you know, exposed brick and not great lighting, 0:18:56.720 --> 0:19:02.719 and it was just felt more it felt like we 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.520 were doing a play reading, not meet not a. 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.480 TV show or a movie. 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:13.959 And I remember meeting Chris and he was, you know, 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.320 had a big long raincoat on and you know, messy 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:25.480 trousers but like you know, appropriate. But I remember thinking, oh, 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.840 he's really serious and he thinks I'm a twinkie, like 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:31.800 he doesn't. This is nothing, he did nothing. This is 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:34.880 the way I wow lived. A lot of my life 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:38.359 is rejecting onto like a cab driver, thinking if I 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:40.240 say I'm an actor, he won't take me seriously. But 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:42.800 if I tell the cab driver I'm a student, then 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:44.600 he'll take me seriously. 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:45.480 You know, love it. 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:47.600 But that, of course was not the case at all. 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.960 But I thought, you know, he's a Yale drama school graduate. 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:55.720 He's like, you know, going to do this pilot where 0:19:55.760 --> 0:20:00.760 he's this guy and she's a girl and and I'm 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:03.000 going to have to convince him that. 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:04.840 But that wasn't the case at all. 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.720 I just remember that that's super interesting anyway. 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:11.280 But he was lovely, and everybody was lovely. It reminded 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:13.359 me of doing table reads for plays that may or 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:17.320 may not go like It was like, yeah, just did 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:19.760 the table read of a thing, and now then you know, 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:21.840 see probably in ten days or we're going to shoot it, 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:23.280 right and then. 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:27.160 We'll see. But then I forgot I forgot all about it. 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:29.840 What do you mean, I'm not kidding. 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.919 I forgot all about it. Okay, shot the pilot. I 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.080 remember some things about shooting the pilot. 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:37.520 I have some memories. 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:39.040 I can feel that you're going to fill me in. 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:42.840 Yes, but then you forgot about it. In the very 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:43.600 long time. 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:47.960 They forgot about it, which still I can't even tell 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:49.919 you that. I thought it was a long time, like 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:51.359 it was perfectly fine. 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:53.520 Yeah, you didn't seem to I didn't. 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:55.600 Do you remember running into me in the neighborhood in 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:57.200 La No. 0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:00.600 No, here's what I remember. Oh. 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:00.840 Wait. 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:03.920