1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Oh my gosh, it's so exciting. Everybody 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: welcome to Are you a Charlotte? 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: Guess who my guest is, Sarah J. 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 3: Parker. 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 2: Do a little dance, Sarah, welcome. Let me tell you 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: everyone has been. 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: When is Sir Jusica coming? When is Sir Jaska coming? 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: Like so sweet? They're so excited about you. 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 3: Oh my god, what will you pull out of me? 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. 12 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 4: But you just being here always, you always pull a 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 4: bit at me. It's very leading, and I'm so happy 14 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,959 Speaker 4: to be here, and I'm so proud of you. And 15 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 4: you talked in your recent episode about you know, talking 16 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 4: to all about about this idea when it was presented 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 4: to you, and how excited you were about it, and 18 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 4: you said you couldn't remember the order, you know, with 19 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 4: whom you spoke about the idea, not asking for permission, 20 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 4: just talking about like how. And I do think I 21 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 4: do think you spoke to Michael Patrick first, because we 22 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 4: discussed it in a drug store. You were shooting the 23 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 4: scene where I'm not going to say anything, actually you 24 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 4: were we were shooting a scene for the current season, 25 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 4: and it was a it was a pretty big scene 26 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 4: that we had not been able to shoot. 27 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 3: We were making up for because I had COVID. That's right. 28 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 4: It had been at the top of the season, scheduled 29 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 4: very very early. 30 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 3: Or somewhat earlier on Sorry, and so. 31 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 4: We were that was one of those scenes that we 32 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 4: fun went to the affectually called the boneyard, and so 33 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 4: there we were quite and then you shared with me 34 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 4: this idea and which I thought was fantastic, And I mean, 35 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 4: I knew it was going to be great, and I 36 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 4: knew you would come so naturally to the idea, to 37 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 4: the to the medium. 38 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 3: But you're doing such a good job. I'm so proud 39 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 3: of you. 40 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: I was such a great cheerleader. I mean, I don't 41 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: know if everyone realized to. 42 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 3: Be your cheerleader, because I love you so. 43 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 2: Much, so much, and I don't know. You know, it's the. 44 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: Kind of thing where sometimes I think, because all of 45 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: us have been together now for almost thirty years, and 46 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: to me it's really obvious all of the personal relationships 47 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: and the joys that we have of our personal selves. 48 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: But it isn't always so obvious because they're watching the 49 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: show right, and it's really interesting. And part of this 50 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: is also like the new world order, right, Like things 51 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: are so different now, and for me, I always feel 52 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: like we did so much press the whole time. I wondered, like, 53 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: how is anything not seen and or understood but the 54 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: press when you're talking. 55 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 4: About the inter relationships that are not that still are 56 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 4: sexually kind of unknown. Yes, yeah, like the fact that 57 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 4: we have affection for each other exactly. 58 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I now remember that time. I can't remember. 59 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: Oh, I think we went to an am far event 60 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: for Kevin Huvain and then we went to the abbey. 61 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: Do you remember out So there's very entertaining paparazzi pictures 62 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: of us trying to get out and get our car, 63 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: and Chelsea Handler was there and do you remember, Like 64 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: I had gone to check in with you, like are 65 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: you okay? 66 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 2: Do you want to go? And she was like, oh 67 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: my god, you guys like. 68 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 4: Each other, Like yes, what on earth it's mystifying to 69 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 4: us how it's a mystery to others. Yeah, but that's 70 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 4: a perfectly fine thing, too, correct, Like absolutely, if that's 71 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 4: not as well understood right as the stories, right, that's 72 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 4: perfectly all right. 73 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 3: Right. 74 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: Our job was the show. 75 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we have done that job with all of us, 76 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 1: with every bit of our being now. 77 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: For twenty seven to twenty eight years, whatever it is. 78 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: But but the thing that's joyful for me about the podcast, 79 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: and really kind of the reason I want to do it, 80 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: was because I felt like, Okay, this is this thing 81 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: that we did in nineteen ninety seven, the pilot, it 82 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: like miraculously still has this life, which is amazing in 83 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: so many ways and so incredibly gratifying. And I thought, 84 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: wouldn't it be interesting to talk about how all these 85 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: different people came together, including our writers and our crew members, 86 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: which I haven't really gotten on yet, but I'm creating 87 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: a list and I need your input. 88 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 3: Well, right, yeah, there's much discuss there, right. 89 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 2: And like came together to make this thing. 90 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: And I do feel like everyone that we've had for 91 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: all of these years, like our job is not a 92 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: job you can kind of halfway do. Like it's a 93 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: full on intense situation and everyone has brought like all 94 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: of themselves, you know. And there was a time in 95 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: the olden days where like relationships went because of our show, 96 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: like things happened. 97 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 4: It was so much infiltraded. It was asking so much 98 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 4: of just the hours, and that it was problematic for 99 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 4: some families, like it was, and it's such an interesting thing, 100 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 4: and perhaps it's the case that, well we know, it 101 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 4: isn't always like it isn't always the case that people 102 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 4: fold into each other so beautifully. And when I say that, 103 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 4: I'm talking about our crew who did work alongside us 104 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 4: these extraordinary hours, you know, eighty one hundred hour weeks 105 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,239 Speaker 4: for years on end, so much so that it almost 106 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 4: was like a badge of honor. You know, it was 107 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 4: like this thing that we all shared. But yeah, it 108 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 4: was you know, it's problematic for a family life. And 109 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 4: and but there is something really so this idea of 110 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 4: you wanting to touch on the crew feels like necessary 111 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 4: because I think we all felt and continue to feel 112 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 4: about this particular crew and that's just such great good 113 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 4: fortune that. 114 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 3: They were. 115 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 4: Truly part of it in a way that could not 116 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 4: have happened without them. And it's such a it's like 117 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 4: such a you know, you can't plan it or plot it, 118 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 4: like if we had picked those people with knowledge and said, oh, 119 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 4: you're the best, you're great, and you're going to mature 120 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 4: and then you're going to become operator, and then you're 121 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 4: going to become a deep You're going to do this, 122 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 4: and you're going to do this, and we're going to 123 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 4: you know, promote from and your personalities and you're smart 124 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 4: and you're shy, and what you bring in, like if 125 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 4: we had planned it, not a ray, right, So it's 126 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 4: lightning in a bottle, But they are all The kind 127 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 4: of sentiment that we feel about that first chapter of 128 00:06:55,120 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 4: being these characters is in no small way because of 129 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 4: the entirety of the organism. 130 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: Absolutely, they held us up. 131 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 3: We were the faces and I feel like we. 132 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 4: It was an exchange, like it was a constant exchange 133 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 4: of admiration and a kind of favor, like a kind 134 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 4: of debt, and we passed back and forth. 135 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: And the fact that people still love the show, I 136 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: feel like is honoring all of that commitment from all 137 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: of the people. 138 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 3: That had been part of it for all this time. 139 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 4: That was the third party that was that completed. It 140 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 4: was the audience, right, you know. So we had the 141 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 4: we had the cast and crew, and that meant, you know, 142 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 4: our writers and our directors, and then we had our crew, 143 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 4: our working crew who were in front of us and 144 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 4: behind us. And then we have the audience, and it 145 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 4: was that pie that was cut up in those you know, 146 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 4: very consequential thirds, and everybody contributed to do right by 147 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 4: everything and constantly and. 148 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: It's ongoing, which is the part that I find. It's 149 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,239 Speaker 1: more gratification than I ever could have dreamt up because 150 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: we were happy anyway, like when we thought we were 151 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: going to be a small cult following back in the 152 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: year that we're cult. 153 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 3: Sorry, didn't you learn your lessons? 154 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: This is why just on every episode I have to step. 155 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: I did not say that where we thought. 156 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: We would be a tiny niche a tiny niche show. 157 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 4: You know what's so funny, they'll tell me. Listening to you, 158 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 4: I feel like you had thoughts. 159 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: I had none, I agree, And that's what I want 160 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: to talk about about. 161 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 4: So many thoughts and feelings and projections. 162 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 2: And you were far more. 163 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 4: Like lucid about like a place and a time and 164 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 4: I wouldn't say success so much so as like future, 165 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 4: and I feel like you were far more like enlightened 166 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 4: on landscape and you know, and I just didn't. So 167 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 4: I never had a thought that it would be either 168 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 4: seen and approved and a small audience would find it delightful, 169 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 4: and that would be enough, or that it might reach 170 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 4: larger numbers than you. 171 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 3: Didn't think of any of a boutique or niche she No, 172 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't. 173 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: Wow. No, fascinating. 174 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 4: I mean, I thought about how I felt about making 175 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 4: the decision to do it. You know, tell us about them, 176 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 4: tell us about the decisions. 177 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: Please tell us, because I love to hear about what 178 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: was happening in people's lives before we started, because I 179 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: don't always know, and. 180 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 4: I know you've you've credited me with being a person 181 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 4: that I was. 182 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 3: Definitely I feel. 183 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 4: Like, my gosh, she thought I was like a New 184 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 4: York you were, you. 185 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 3: Were never away? No, you know, no, I absolutely was not. 186 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 3: Absolutely not. I feel like I knew. 187 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: Stephanolo's and had more that I had ever even heard 188 00:09:59,080 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: of when. 189 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 3: I met you. I feel like, come on, still, the characterization. 190 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: I feel like I was not. 191 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 4: But I lived in New York, and I think that 192 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 4: is a distinction that you were surely drawing forth myself 193 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 4: and Cynthia, and I think Kim too, knew New York 194 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 4: pretty well though she hadn't been she'd been better than myself, 195 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:17,359 Speaker 4: somewhat scattered. 196 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 3: Like she had traveled. Yeah, but I Initially got. 197 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 4: Was asked about the show by my agent, Kevin ey 198 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 4: Vane sent me either it. 199 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 3: Was a phone call. 200 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 4: I'm certain it wasn't an email, because this was nineteen 201 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 4: ninety seven or ninety six ninety seven in situation, that's right. 202 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 3: And he. 203 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 4: So he sent me the script with a cover letter, 204 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 4: very traditional for those of you who don't know what 205 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 4: that is. There's a script and there's typically it's a 206 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 4: companied by a cover letter from your agent or whoever 207 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 4: is submitting it. Nell explained, you know, this is a project, 208 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 4: it's shooting in New York. You have been off the 209 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 4: role of blank, the producer is blank, the director is blank, 210 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 4: or they have no director set yet. This is HBO, 211 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 4: this is the studio, this is the network. 212 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 2: And you were like wow. 213 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 4: And so Kevin called me and said, Darren has asked 214 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 4: about meeting you to discuss this and and he said 215 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 4: he wrote this like I was in his head in 216 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 4: some way, which I found really interesting. 217 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 3: Was perfectly happy. 218 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 4: To meet with him. And I did say I knew 219 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 4: Darren Starr's name from Beverly Hills nine O two and 220 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 4: O and Meloe's place, and I was pretty familiar with 221 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 4: Candas's work as a reader of The Observer, which was 222 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 4: a fairly well known New York paper that a lot 223 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 4: of us reached for. Its distinction was that it was pink, 224 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 4: which was kind of unusual. And coincidentally or not, I 225 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 4: had been sent a copy of her book that Darren 226 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 4: had then bought the rights to, and that book was 227 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 4: a compilation of all of her columns for the New Yorker, 228 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:09,599 Speaker 4: for The Observer. 229 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 3: And so I did know that. 230 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 4: And I don't know why I was sent a copy 231 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 4: of the book, but I was, and I enjoyed it. 232 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 3: And there were some in. 233 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 4: Particular, No, there were some in particular columns that I loved. 234 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 4: So I read the script and loved it. And I 235 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 4: was doing a musical on Broadway at that time, Princess. 236 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 4: I was doing Once upon a Mattress. I saw it 237 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 4: and thanks, and and I was going to get I 238 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 4: was going to. 239 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 3: Get married, and secret. 240 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 4: It was a secret, yes, and uh, and I had 241 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 4: a wedding date and I didn't really want to mess 242 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 4: with that date. And because I kind of I had 243 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 4: understood that maybe it was shooting around the exact same time, 244 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 4: and we had cleared that date primarily because all of 245 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 4: our friends who worked in the theater only have mondays 246 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 4: off SOT. Our wedding was on a Monday, and yeah, 247 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 4: and so I met with Darren and I, you know, 248 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 4: I told him I loved it and that I thought 249 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 4: it was especially compelling, and that I, you know, my 250 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 4: only objections, and I feel like objections is almost too 251 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 4: strong a word. 252 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 3: I I. 253 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 4: Alerted him to the fact that I didn't do scenes nude, 254 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 4: that I just, for whatever reason, right or wrong, I 255 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 4: just never felt comfortable doing that. 256 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 3: And he was like, well, that's then we won't and 257 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 3: we shan't. 258 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 4: And I said that I also wanted to be a 259 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 4: little thoughtful about language. 260 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 3: That I wanted to make sure that Carrie cared about. 261 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 4: What words came out of her mouth, that if she 262 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 4: was a right and being thoughtful about her use of language, 263 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 4: and a column even amongst friends where you can get 264 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 4: purposefully sloppy, you know, especially if you're drinking, that I 265 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 4: still wanted her to be somebody that wasn't just tossing 266 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 4: around let's call him, you know, bad words. 267 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 3: So those were the two things. 268 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 4: And the last thing I shared with him was, you know, 269 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 4: I'm getting married on this date, and we couldn't take 270 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 4: a honeymoon because my husband was soon to be husband 271 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 4: was shooting a movie anyway, and I had to go 272 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 4: back to work to once for a mattress the next 273 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 4: morning next day, and he was great about all of it. 274 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 4: And it was at that meeting actually that he said, 275 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 4: you know, you should produce. I was like, I don't 276 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 4: know how to produce. I've never produced anything. And he's like, well, 277 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 4: of course, you know how. You've been on a set 278 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 4: your whole life basically, And I said yeah, But he's like, 279 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 4: were you paying attention? 280 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 3: Were you watching? 281 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 4: Were I was like, well, yes, because I'm curious anyway, 282 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 4: I said, but I don't really think that I have 283 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 4: that skill, and I would feel very. 284 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: Like a fraud. So I said them, be a consultant. 285 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 3: So that's that's how that started. 286 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 2: I started. 287 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 4: So we worked out all the dates and I actually 288 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 4: closed the show on one day and woke up the 289 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 4: next morning and walked to the set of the you 290 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 4: know or went to the set at the pilot yeah, 291 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 4: which I believe was a possible note wasn't. I can't 292 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 4: remember where it was, but anyway, did the show the 293 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 4: next like. 294 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 3: Woke up the next morning and then went. 295 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 4: To shoot this pilot of this TV show. 296 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: This is what I want to know because in my mind, okay, 297 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: so I was in La right, and I knew Darren, 298 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: but we. 299 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: Weren't working together. 300 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: It wasn't like I was seeing him often. But he 301 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: had sent me the script. And also, did you know 302 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: that Cynthia also had read for Kerrie? 303 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 3: Really so interesting? 304 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: Right? 305 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I'm sure I've known that, right, we've talked. 306 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 3: I never knew this. 307 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 2: I never knew that. 308 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 3: Okay, then I didn't know it either. 309 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I mean I was shocked and she said 310 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: they were like, no, not really, so ire. 311 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: Not, well, well I do. 312 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: I mean I feel like and I mean this again 313 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: is like that magical thing that happens occasionally that we 314 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: are lucky to be a part of, where none of 315 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: us had read together. You know, it was this very 316 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: kind of long process of casting the four of us, 317 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: and yet when we came together at the table read, 318 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: which I don't also remember, I do you do? 319 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 2: Tell me what you remember? 320 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 3: Hallelujahah? I remember. 321 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 4: I remember because I knew who Chris was, I knew 322 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 4: who everybody was. Cynthia and I we can talk about 323 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 4: since I had been working together and kind of collegially 324 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 4: friendly because we've both been an actor our whole lives basically. 325 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 4: And so I met Cynthia. I guess when I was 326 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 4: twelve years old. Wow, I think the first time we 327 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 4: worked together. The first time we worked together was when 328 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 4: I was thirteen and or almost thirteen, and she was twelve. 329 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 4: She's one year younger than me. I think, exactly right, 330 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 4: both of us. 331 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 2: Yea, is this the Vanessa Redgrave. 332 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 4: No, we did a recording of a little House on 333 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 4: the Prairie when they used to make records. Oh my god, 334 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 4: her people. Yeah, when I played Laura and she played Mary. 335 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: No. 336 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's always. 337 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 4: More sophisticated, like every time we worked together. Believe, I'm 338 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 4: like the slightly rogue and she's but she has a quality. 339 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 4: But anyway, so, wow, I didn't know that I didn't 340 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 4: know you. I knew who you were. I didn't know Kim. 341 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 4: I knew who she was. Cynthia and I knew one another, 342 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 4: and I knew who Chris was. Was I believe because 343 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 4: of the whole Yale fraternity of Yale Drama School, I 344 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 4: didn't know that graduates like it was a thing in 345 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 4: New York got it. Yeah, so that was kind of 346 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,239 Speaker 4: like out Law and Order. Oh, I definitely knew him 347 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 4: from Law and Order, but I wasn't like a I 348 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 4: didn't have like a standing date to watch Lawn Order 349 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 4: every week. But there weren't a lot of shows shooting 350 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 4: in New York, and he was kind of this h 351 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 4: like I'd see him around. And so when we went 352 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 4: to do the table read, I believe we did the 353 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 4: table read far far West, and it was very dark, 354 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 4: a dark room, and I came up the stairs and 355 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 4: the tables were set up in a big square kind 356 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 4: of like now correct, but in a far more a 357 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 4: less polished space, you know, exposed brick and not great lighting, 358 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:02,719 Speaker 4: and it was just felt more it felt like we 359 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 4: were doing a play reading, not meet not a. 360 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 3: TV show or a movie. 361 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:13,959 Speaker 4: And I remember meeting Chris and he was, you know, 362 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 4: had a big long raincoat on and you know, messy 363 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 4: trousers but like you know, appropriate. But I remember thinking, oh, 364 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 4: he's really serious and he thinks I'm a twinkie, like 365 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 4: he doesn't. This is nothing, he did nothing. This is 366 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 4: the way I wow lived. A lot of my life 367 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 4: is rejecting onto like a cab driver, thinking if I 368 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 4: say I'm an actor, he won't take me seriously. But 369 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 4: if I tell the cab driver I'm a student, then 370 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 4: he'll take me seriously. 371 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 3: You know, love it. 372 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 4: But that, of course was not the case at all. 373 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 4: But I thought, you know, he's a Yale drama school graduate. 374 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 4: He's like, you know, going to do this pilot where 375 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 4: he's this guy and she's a girl and and I'm 376 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 4: going to have to convince him that. 377 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 3: But that wasn't the case at all. 378 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: I just remember that that's super interesting anyway. 379 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 4: But he was lovely, and everybody was lovely. It reminded 380 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 4: me of doing table reads for plays that may or 381 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 4: may not go like It was like, yeah, just did 382 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 4: the table read of a thing, and now then you know, 383 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 4: see probably in ten days or we're going to shoot it, 384 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 4: right and then. 385 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 3: We'll see. But then I forgot I forgot all about it. 386 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 3: What do you mean, I'm not kidding. 387 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 4: I forgot all about it. Okay, shot the pilot. I 388 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 4: remember some things about shooting the pilot. 389 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: I have some memories. 390 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 3: I can feel that you're going to fill me in. 391 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: Yes, but then you forgot about it. In the very 392 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 2: long time. 393 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 4: They forgot about it, which still I can't even tell 394 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 4: you that. I thought it was a long time, like 395 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 4: it was perfectly fine. 396 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't seem to I didn't. 397 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 2: Do you remember running into me in the neighborhood in 398 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 2: La No. 399 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 3: No, here's what I remember. Oh. 400 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 2: Wait. 401 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 4: I was walking down the street in New York City 402 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 4: and it had been a while, but I was fine, 403 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 4: and a woman stopped me. She was a very pretty, fancy, 404 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 4: well known producer, and she said to me, oh my gosh, 405 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 4: I saw your show. I said what show. She said, 406 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 4: you're pilot and I was like, what pilot? 407 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: And she told me the. 408 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 3: Name of it. And I was like, oh, yeah, you 409 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 3: saw that. 410 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 2: How did you see it? 411 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 4: And she said, I don't you know. She had a reason. 412 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 4: She didn't knock anybody over the head and steal it. 413 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 4: Somebody sent it to her. It's like, it's really good. 414 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 3: I was like, oh. 415 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 4: Then I went on with my day, and when the 416 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 4: show was picked up, I panicked, Okay, tell us, yes, 417 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 4: I panicked. I was like, I can't be on a 418 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 4: TV show. I don't think I suited for that life. 419 00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 4: You mean exactly because I had been on television series 420 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 4: in Southern California. I forget Yeah, I did a mention 421 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 4: of yes with Tenny and other people. 422 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 3: I've been on you know. 423 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 4: A few I've been on Square Pegs and a Year 424 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 4: in the Life and Equal Justice. I think I did 425 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 4: a pilot for a TV series, yeah, the Alan King 426 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 4: Show with some really great people. And I always liked 427 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 4: the guard gate at the studios. I always thought that 428 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 4: was very Hollywood, you know, like you drive on and 429 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 4: Scotty says, hey, hello, miss Parker, Hello Sarah, Jessica or 430 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 4: whatever to call me. 431 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 3: And I always loved, like, hey, Scotty. 432 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 4: You know, I love driving, And then they have a 433 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 4: parking space and like and you walk through the canyons 434 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 4: of a studio and you know this this shot here 435 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 4: and this shot here, and it was just kind of. 436 00:22:54,720 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 3: Incredible. Yeah, but it also it's very hard to explain. 437 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 3: It also kind of depressed me. 438 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 4: And I think that it was the idea of doing 439 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 4: the same thing over and over and over again. And 440 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 4: I think I'd always been lucky that I got to 441 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 4: be on a television series and then it was over. 442 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 4: Like I met great people, had a great experience, worked 443 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 4: with great actors, great directors, thought the stories were interesting, 444 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 4: wanted to do the shows, and they had shorter lives, 445 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 4: maybe one or two seasons. 446 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 3: And then and then I. 447 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 4: Moved on and I would do a play or i'd 448 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 4: do some readings, and then i'd do a part in 449 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 4: the movie, and then I'd do you know, a movie 450 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 4: of the week, right, and I just you know, kind 451 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 4: of bounced around, and I really thought, like that is 452 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 4: the goal, Like the journeyman is the goal. Right. 453 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 3: You want to be moving, You want. 454 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 4: To be doing a reading of a play on forty 455 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 4: second Street and then walk over to your theater and 456 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 4: do your play, and then you wake up the next morning. 457 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 4: You've got a part in a movie, so you shoot 458 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 4: the movie for three days, you get back for your matinee. 459 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 3: You know, like, yeah, that to me was having it 460 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 3: all right. 461 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 4: And so the idea of a television series meant that 462 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,719 Speaker 4: I couldn't do all those things right, and that I 463 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 4: would get in the same car every day and it 464 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 4: just kind of felt like somebody was, you know, putting 465 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 4: their hand over my mouth or something. It was just 466 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 4: very weird, and you know it was wrong, right, absolutely wrong, 467 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 4: and not that wrong. 468 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 2: Well, I mean it does that's kind of a journey. 469 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 3: Kind of general. 470 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 4: It is people can do things in their hiatuses and 471 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 4: of course, you know, and and I talked to my 472 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 4: agents and I said, you know, hey, can you get 473 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 4: me out of this and after this, after the past, 474 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 4: when it was gonna when it was going to be 475 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 4: picked up, got it. And I said, here's what I 476 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 4: will give my services to HBO to fulfill my contract. 477 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 4: So if they any movies, I'll do for X number 478 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 4: of years. And I and so I went into Kevin's 479 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 4: office and then this wonderful legendary agent at CIA who 480 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 4: had kind of run the television department for years, Lee Gaebler. 481 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 4: I think his oh so handsome and sophisticated warsuit and 482 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 4: the shine shoes every day and he was really like 483 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 4: a sight. And so he indulged me, and you know, 484 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 4: he was like, well, you know, of course we can 485 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 4: talk to but you know, it can be wonderful, it 486 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 4: can be great. And the beauty of HBO is that 487 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 4: kind of it was kind of an unknown, veryous species 488 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 4: and had been discovered in the wilderness by like anthropologists 489 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 4: or something, they said, and he had word from and 490 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 4: Chris albrektaid at the time, so do it for a year. 491 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 3: And if if you don't want to do it anymore. 492 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 3: We won't, we won't do it, Like he's so smart. 493 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 4: It was like, oh, And then they hired Barry Right, 494 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 4: knew from working with David Frankel he produced Mammy Rhapsody. 495 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 2: Why did I forgot this? 496 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 4: And then we started meeting and talking about Pat Field, 497 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, it didn't feel like the 498 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 4: same thing. It felt like a brand new, exciting, completely unknown, 499 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 4: Like somebody was offering me a menu of food that 500 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 4: I'd only ever heard about. Yeah, like maybe I read 501 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 4: about these items on this menu, but I never no 502 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 4: one said I could ever taste them right, be near enough, 503 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 4: or I could get into the restaurant. 504 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 3: Absolutely, So I went from being this like kind of like. 505 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 4: Oppressive idea to this like endless possibilities. And the first 506 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 4: day that we started shooting as a series, the location 507 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 4: was up the street from my house, and I remember 508 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 4: being in the shower sept my alarm clocks and everything, 509 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 4: and I remember being in the shower and literally remember 510 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 4: washing my hair. 511 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,719 Speaker 3: And I was like day one. Day one. 512 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 4: I can walk to work, Well, that's unusual, that's really special. 513 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 4: I'm not driving onto lot, I'm not getting on a 514 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 4: freeway and hoping I get myself there, and I walked 515 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 4: up to the location, which is the Banana Republic on 516 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 4: sixth Avenue, and it was the first leaker first and. 517 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 3: I never looked back. 518 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 2: Amazing. 519 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 3: I was never not happy to be there. 520 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 2: Amazing. 521 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 4: There was no place I would rather have been than 522 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 4: on our set. 523 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 3: Every single solid give me. 524 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: Chills, he give me chills. The thing that I think 525 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: is amazing about that story, first of all, didn't know 526 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: this story exactly. I knew that there was a time 527 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: that you possibly had cold feet because you had had 528 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: this very dynamic career in terms of being able to 529 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: do films and do television and do theater, which of 530 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: course was all of our dreams at that time, you know, 531 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: and television also had kind of been this not super 532 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: exciting place, which I you're kind of alluding to. Whereas 533 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: I do feel that we were making something that had 534 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: not been made. 535 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 3: It was it was brand new. 536 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 2: It's not just that you felt that. 537 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: You were at a very brand new and exciting restaurant. 538 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 2: You actually were. 539 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 3: We all were. We had the good fortune, yeah, to. 540 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: Land at the right time at the right place. I 541 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: was just watching on the plane and thinking about you. 542 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: There's a Ted Turner documentary. 543 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 3: Yes, I wish I could. I want to see that. 544 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 2: It's on Max, okay, because to watch, and I was. 545 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,959 Speaker 4: Signed out of my Max account by my family. Like, 546 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 4: I don't exist on my Max account. 547 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 3: It's pretty distressing. They do, but you don't. They didn't 548 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 3: even used to have. 549 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 4: Like I, it's the only time I've ever made like 550 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 4: a joke profile. 551 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 3: And it's not even me, it's Andy. It's Andy's picture 552 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 3: and then it just. 553 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 4: Says you with an exclamation point. But I was so 554 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 4: proud that I could even navigate that. Wow, it's neither, 555 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 4: it's not important. 556 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 3: It will make it. 557 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: Andy could sign in and watch the Ted Turner documentary. Yes, 558 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: Loretta so amazed. Oh, Loretta works. I mean James was 559 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: watching it. I know right, he was watching our show 560 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: because we talked about it. Yeah, he's watched a little 561 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: bit okay not yes, yes. 562 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 3: Not the whole We lost James along the way. It 563 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 3: just keep keeps going. You know, college, he's in college. 564 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 2: He's in college. 565 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 3: And I think, James, you're forgiven. 566 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 2: The way you forgiven will catch you up. Yes, summer maybe, yes, 567 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 2: oh my god, yes, wow. 568 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: Back to HBO, Ted Turner, do you remember the time 569 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: that we went to Nevis and we went with the 570 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: Cable Cowboys. It was so incredible and it is so incredible. 571 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 4: Now I remember all of that, and no, I remember 572 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 4: not one day of shooting the show or the stories, but. 573 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 3: I remember every trip we ever made. 574 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 4: For the Super Bowl entertain our incredible cable distributors, right, and. 575 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: Cable distributors were so important to us at that time. 576 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: It was the wild West, and in truth, they created 577 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: something that had not been created before, that did not exist, 578 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: and Ted Turner basically spearheaded that entire thing. And to 579 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: watch him and the passion with which he talks about 580 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: it and the commitment like it wrings so many bells 581 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: for me, because at one point he said he there 582 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: was all this competition from the it was a three 583 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:21,239 Speaker 1: network time right, ABCNBCCBS, and when the cable community, the 584 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: cable world was just starting, he just basically just dreamed 585 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: it up. And then at one point the networks were 586 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: trying to stop him, and they had They were trying 587 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: to make a competitor to CNN, the first twenty four 588 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: hour news channel that Ted created. They were trying to 589 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: get a competitor. ABC was or. 590 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 2: Westinghouse, CBS and Westinghouse. 591 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: So during Christmas, they were going to take two weeks 592 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: off for Christmas before they launched and went out to 593 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: the ad sales and so ted was. He called everyone 594 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: in his company. He said, Christmas is canceled. You have 595 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: to go out and sell those ads. And they selled 596 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: it to every single cable operator, the cable cowboys, and 597 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: they didn't have Christmas, but they saved the company. And 598 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,719 Speaker 1: he would get tears in his eyes talking about the 599 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: commitment that it took from everyone in that company to build. 600 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: You know, it was started as the Turner Broadcasting that 601 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: it was CNN. Eventually it turns into Time Warner. I'm 602 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: watching the progression and I'm thinking about our part in 603 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: that and how we were in some ways we were 604 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: like the spaw and the child of it. We got 605 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: to reap the benefit of what they built, and we 606 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: also got to spend time with a lot of those people. 607 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 3: Yes, it's kind of amazing, right, yeah. 608 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: John Malone, like people who are now almost this dying 609 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: breed in terms of I believe the Cox. 610 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 3: Family was there, Yes, like all the important players. 611 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 4: And it was so interesting, like just give like a 612 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,959 Speaker 4: little like a quick little summary of this. So HBO 613 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 4: had this idea to put basically all of its cast. 614 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 3: On a plane and build this weekend. 615 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 4: Yes and couple other shows as well are less Yes 616 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 4: and some of their sports people, Jim Lampley and some others, 617 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 4: and they would put us on a plane willingly. We 618 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,959 Speaker 4: weren't taken against our will, and they would we would 619 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 4: have this weekend around Super Bowl Sunday, and we would 620 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 4: basically be brought to these wonderful locations that most of 621 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 4: us had never been, nor could we afford, nor we 622 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 4: would even think about going to the Four Seasons and Nevis. 623 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 4: And then we would just sit around and chat with 624 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 4: all these local, local, local cable owners. And these were 625 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 4: the guys, and I say guys because it was guys. 626 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 3: It was some exceptions. 627 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 4: There were families that had matriarchs, that's where maybe the 628 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 4: money had initiated, but regardless, it was a predominantly male 629 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 4: room with their wives and children sometimes and they had 630 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 4: basically it was kind of the way you know sprinted 631 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 4: all those other things earthed as well. They were basically 632 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 4: just taking cable and nailing it up, you know, like 633 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 4: in really kind of a rogue fashion. But they were 634 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 4: having success, right, and they could feel that it was 635 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 4: this growing right thing. 636 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 2: Right. 637 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 3: They were charming and. 638 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 4: It was fun for us, like we all got to 639 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 4: be with each other because typically we weren't like there 640 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 4: wasn't inter disciplinary stuff happening, you know, like we weren't 641 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 4: like intercollegiate, and so we got to be with like 642 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 4: Lorraine Brocco and Edie. 643 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 3: And so much fun. 644 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 4: But all the sopranos casts and r List himself, he 645 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 4: was there. 646 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 3: And I think I don't think the Dreamond cast at 647 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 3: that point was. 648 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 2: Gone. 649 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 3: It might have been gone again, but. 650 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 4: There was somebody else. I want to say, Bill Marnaut, 651 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 4: Larry Sanders. 652 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 2: Could have been, could have been some of that. 653 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 4: Maybe I can't remember how much might have been. Bill 654 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 4: might have been Bill. 655 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 3: I think it was Bill Mahr because it wasn't just 656 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 3: one time, right. 657 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: No, it was multiple times been comedy fest right where 658 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: many people were as well. But like for me, when 659 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: I think about, I mean, we have so many, so 660 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: many gifts have been given to us along the way, 661 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: but that's one of the gifts was that we got 662 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: to kind of have this seat to watch this whole development. 663 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 2: Of the cable industry. 664 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: Be a big part of it that we never could 665 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: have foreseen. And then also now we're watching it change 666 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: again and we have pivoted again, which I give you 667 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 1: and Michael Patrick so much credit for, you know, having 668 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: the foresight to say, you know, maybe we could come 669 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: back as a streaming show. 670 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 2: I mean, thank god, you know, thank god you said that. 671 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 1: And then we did our films, of course, which I'm 672 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: way ahead of ourselves because we were going to go 673 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: back to the beginning, but I do when I watch 674 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: this Ted Turner, I'm so just inspired and impressed, and 675 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: it's so good to remember that through change you can succeed. 676 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 1: You just have to dream. You have to dream and 677 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,479 Speaker 1: follow your dreams. You can't get down because it's hard 678 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: not to the. 679 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 3: Thing that sits around. 680 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 4: I say that kind of looking back, and I don't 681 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 4: know that we would have had the words at the 682 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 4: time to characterize it, but I think now, oh, you know, 683 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,879 Speaker 4: everybody was just kind of doing what they wanted to do, 684 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 4: and it was an unusual circumstance or scenario. 685 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 3: Really, We're in a studio and the network were one and. 686 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 4: The same, and they were just saying, basically, Chris and Carolyn, 687 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 4: you just go and everybody at HBO, so Eric and 688 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 4: Courtney and Pleppler and all the people that were on 689 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 4: the corporate side and marketing and PR strategy, they were 690 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 4: all saying, you just go do what you do. We 691 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 4: trust ourselves. It was the ego involved. And I say 692 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 4: this with admiration, not with condemnation. It was their sense 693 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 4: of their confidence in their choices that liberated David Chase 694 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 4: and certainly Darren and then Michael Patrick that they I mean, sure, 695 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 4: there's notes, there's always notes on a script, and there's 696 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 4: always issues with money, and there's always budget stuff to 697 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 4: talk about, but those are to be expected, and you 698 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 4: want some parenting like you need some parenting. But for 699 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 4: the most part, it was their own confidence in their 700 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 4: artistic sensibilities and the same therefore with everything that surrounded it, 701 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 4: which is what is compelling and makes something grow absolutely, 702 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 4: and the minute you have to start paying attention to 703 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 4: outside stuff and you're producing and picking on based on results, 704 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 4: that's where things are not as interesting. So I feel 705 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 4: like all of it was happening at the same time 706 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 4: without them even realizing, Like I wouldn't have said at 707 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 4: the time, Wow, you're confident people, Wow you really believe 708 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,359 Speaker 4: in your own ideas. Wow, you really trust Therefore, you're 709 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 4: going to let everybody, basically speaking, just go off and 710 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 4: make shows that we're not thirty minutes long. They were 711 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 4: not thirty minutes long. They were thirty two minutes long. 712 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 4: They were you know, like. 713 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:22,439 Speaker 2: Twenty eight minutes long. 714 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 3: Whatever they were, it was right. 715 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 4: But that is a huge amount of and that's the 716 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 4: way the company grew, and that's why it was so 717 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 4: felt revolutionary in terms of its programming. They were the 718 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 4: first people that said, oh, we're going to program, We're 719 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 4: going to counter We're going to do you know, counter programming. 720 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 4: All of our fresh materials going to be on the summer. 721 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 4: Everyone else is in repeats. 722 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 3: Right, So what. 723 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 4: We're going to do is we're going to put on 724 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 4: programming starting Memorial Day weekend or that. We're going to 725 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 4: capture those women men whoever they are. They're still here, 726 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 4: there or elsewhere, and they're thinking they're on holiday, and 727 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:05,839 Speaker 4: we're going to start giving them information on Sundays at 728 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 4: nine o'clock. That was not a space that was for 729 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 4: your family programming. 730 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,399 Speaker 3: Eventionally speaking, that's what the network said. 731 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 4: Sunday Night was wild Kingdom, Right, You know, like I'm 732 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 4: going to say little house in the Prairie, but I 733 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 4: can't be certain. 734 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 3: But my point is that was like maybe Matt. 735 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 4: Lot like, you know, like like procedural like and HBO said, no, 736 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 4: we're gonna make Sunday night dirty, naughty, unpredictable. We're going 737 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 4: to talk and tell a story about a man named 738 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 4: Tony Soprano who is kills people, who kills people, and 739 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 4: you love him, and he's going to go to therapy 740 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 4: each week, and we're going to sit with him in 741 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 4: this quiet space. 742 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 3: They were after us. I want to make sure we 743 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 3: were first. 744 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 4: But also we're going to tell a story about these 745 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 4: particular women in this city at this time, and this 746 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 4: is how they talk and this is how they But 747 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 4: they didn't. 748 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 3: They weren't saying it like that. They were just responding 749 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 3: to material. Absolutely, they were just pretty took that. 750 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I hate the word space now, but that it existed. 751 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 4: It was a white space literally like they say in retail, 752 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 4: like there was a white space and was like yes, 753 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 4: and Chris and everybody and Carolyn, they were like, wait 754 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 4: a minute, mister Bucus, Yes they so it was. But 755 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,919 Speaker 4: there were a lot of parts and things that had 756 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 4: to exist for everybody to be able to do it. 757 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:29,439 Speaker 4: So there was the money, intellectual and the artistic and 758 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 4: the actual real estate to do it, and they just 759 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 4: did it and it was like. 760 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,240 Speaker 3: What I know, and amazing that it worked. 761 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, but we know what he was thinking that We 762 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,879 Speaker 4: certainly weren't. No, we're just doing trying to. 763 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 3: Do the best we could, Sarah, Jessica. 764 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: We could talk forever, as you know, So let's take 765 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: a little break here and you guys, we will be 766 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 1: back for another episode of Are You a Charlotte