1 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to I'm Doug gli Been. This is all ball. 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: We caught up this week with Stephen Ashworth, who's a 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: I guess he's a sophomore at Utah State, but a 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: really interesting career. He high school basketball, he grew up 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: in Alpine, Utah for the most part, played famed Loan 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: Peak high school and um, you know, late in his 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: high school career he blew up. He'll tell you about 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: all that. Was set to go to Utah State with 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: Tim Duryer. Dryer gets fired, thought about opening up his recruitment, 10 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: goes on his more remission, comes back and now last 11 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: year played a huge role with Craig Smith's Aggies. Craig 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: Smith leaves, goes to Utah. Did you think about transferring? 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: What is Ryan Odom like to play for? And what's 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: it like to be only four months married? Plus he's 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: been on social media ton trying to get a name, 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: image and likeness deals. Let's catch up with the star 17 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: point guard for the Aggies of Utah State, Stephen Ashworth. Um, okay, 18 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: So want to get to the name, image and likeness thing. 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: I want to get to the fact you guys have 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: a new coaching staff. What that's all like, but explain 21 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,639 Speaker 1: to me the Lone Pine deal. So I remember, probably 22 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: a decade ago, somebody tell me, like, man, this there's 23 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: this high school in Utah and they're just they got 24 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: dudes dudes everywhere, right, Yeah? Is what what what Lone 25 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: Pine High School? Is that just a regular high school 26 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,639 Speaker 1: where lots of players live close? Is it a private school? 27 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: Like what is for somebody who's not a Bee High 28 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: State or what is Lone Pine High School? Yeah? So 29 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: it's it's actually Long Peak. Uh, there's a mountain peak 30 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: called Loan Peak right up right up above the school. 31 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: So it's called Loan Peak High School. Um. And I believe, honestly, 32 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: just the basketball dominance that it's had over the past 33 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: twenty years really started with head coach Quincy Lewis when 34 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: he was there and then many people know him as 35 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: he went to buy U after and um now he's 36 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: back in the state of Utah coach in high school 37 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: basketball once again. Um. But it's a public school, Um, 38 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 1: completely public. Uh. You have to live in school boundaries 39 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: in order to go to Loan Peak and so, um, 40 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: you know, we couldn't have some of the top basketball 41 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: players in the state live in you know, different cities 42 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: and come to school. They're just to play for Long Peak. 43 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: And so a lot of people um started to take 44 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: notice when uh they were on that national stage. And UM, 45 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: you know, we had great talent all the way back 46 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: with Jackson Emory and Tyler Hawes at Loan Peak. And 47 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: I think that kind of just created the culture that, um, 48 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: if if you want to play for Long Peak, you 49 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: gotta be great, and and that developed players like Nick Emery, T. J. Haws, 50 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: Eric Meeka and they actually in two thousand thirteen were 51 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: named national champions. So so to wait, So all of 52 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: those kids actually grew up right there or did some 53 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: families move in move into so surprisingly, the Emeries, the Hawses, 54 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: the Mika's, um, they all lived there and Alpine um 55 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: grew up there and and me myself, I moved there 56 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: when I was five, UM and so and my end 57 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: at the time, my parents weren't really thinking basketball and 58 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: we should move to Alone Peak because we lived in 59 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: the boundary, UM where high school is already really good 60 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: at basketball. It was just kind of a change of 61 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: scenery for the family. And UM, I was fortunate enough 62 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: to grow up going to all those high school games 63 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: watching those guys, and so I think that kind of 64 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: helped fuel my passion for basketball. Okay, so immately you 65 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: say I grew up going to those games. Um. The 66 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: basketball obviously such a big part of the Mormon community, 67 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: just huge. Any Mormon church has has basketball gym and 68 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: guys played basketball. But how big is like, how big 69 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: is the gym at Lumpeak. Uh, the gym at Lumpeak 70 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: can fit people. Um, And so it's a pretty average, 71 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: you know, high school arena it. Um. There was a 72 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: time for a while when we would play a rival 73 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: American Fork High school, we'd either have to have that 74 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: game UM down at Utah Valley University or at the 75 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: Marriott Center at by U UM just for crowd attendance 76 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: and so UM. But yeah, all those games were always packed. Um. 77 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: It was always sold out and it was a fun environment. 78 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: I remember one of the funnest games was UM when 79 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: we played St. Joseph out of New York. They came 80 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: in for an ESPN game at Loan Peak and it 81 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: was crazy, just the atmosphere and the students and just 82 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: the passion for basketball. Because you're at you know, every 83 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: church around here in the LDS faith. We have a 84 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: basketball gym, and and so kids grew up beyond going 85 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: to that gym and and working out with their dads 86 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: or their siblings or their friends. And um, you know, 87 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: during the summer, we were there every day just playing 88 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: pick up at the church and it was awesome. So um, 89 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: Jimmer Okay, Now, obviously Jimmer comes in he's a star 90 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: by U, but he's not from Utah as a as 91 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: a kid who grew up in Alting. When I see 92 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: Jimmer for debt, like, is he one of your guys? 93 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: Is he not? Like? What? What is? How is he 94 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: thought of in the state of Utah? Um, Jimmer for 95 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: that is arguably the greatest college basketball player of all time. 96 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: That's just that's what the state of utak um. And 97 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's sad that he didn't have, um, 98 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: you know, quite the career in the NBA that everybody 99 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: was hoping to see. You know that that Steph Curry 100 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: has been able to have. And but it's interesting. I 101 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:45,119 Speaker 1: remember vividly, um going to UH. It was a huge 102 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: game San Diego State, Quiet Leonard. It was a top 103 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: ten game down in Provo, and I remember going to 104 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: that game just the atmosphere around Jimmer. Um, it was 105 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: crazy and it was something that that I aspired to be. 106 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: I wanted to be a player in the state of 107 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: Utah that other little kids wanted to be when they 108 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: grew up. And so Um, Jimmer is definitely somebody that 109 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: that I look up to. It I've met a few times. 110 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: I've I've done some workouts with him, and the guy 111 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: trained with Paul Peterson knows him, knows him really well. 112 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: And so um always super genuine dude. And and people, 113 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: you know, whether we're Utah State fans, Utaugh fans, BIU fans, um, 114 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: there's a pretty wide consensus that everybody respects what Jimmer 115 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: fordet was able to do and in the game of 116 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: college basketball. And now it's crazy to see what Damian 117 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: Millard did out of Weiver State, but in that time period, 118 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,559 Speaker 1: it was all about Jimmer. And it's crazy right there 119 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: that everybody pay attention to Jimmer. Here is Damian Lillard, 120 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: who's actually Olympian at the NBA. All start, okay, So Um, 121 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, if you go back to you know, late 122 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: nineties and two thousands, obviously Utah when the Jaris was 123 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: there was hot and they've gone up and down. They've 124 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: had some great runs even since um b y U 125 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,239 Speaker 1: Jimmer was was their peak in the last twenty years. 126 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: But again, and this is a guy who grew up. 127 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: I grew up hoooping at a Morgan church in the 128 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: city of Orange in California. I seem in with my 129 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: Mormon buddies, right and so UM. And then my brother 130 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: was an assistant at Santego State, So I know a 131 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: lot about b y U back when obviously those games 132 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: were taking place. But for you growing up, was b 133 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: yu the school coming because he end up now being 134 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: started at Utah State? Like what was who was your 135 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: what was your school? Or was it more players? Because 136 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: I always thought that Mormon kids want to go to 137 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: b y U first and then after that, you know, 138 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: maybe Utah or then Utah State? Like what is what 139 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: was the school going up? Grown up? UM? Personally, for me, 140 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: it was like obviously, living in Utah County, you're surrounded 141 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: by UM by U, and then there's divide, the divide 142 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: between by U and Utah UM and then obviously Utah 143 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: States a little more north and so down in Utah 144 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: County there even when I go back home, like I'm 145 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: like dang, like, we need to get some more love 146 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: for the Aggies down here, whether it be in the 147 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: sports stores or stuff like that, because really obviously the 148 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: sports you know, stories are there to make their money, 149 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: and they make a lot off of just the rivalry 150 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: between by U and Utah and that division between red 151 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: and Blue. Um, and so growing up, I personally really 152 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: admired the players and the individuals and so Um it 153 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,359 Speaker 1: was always a dream of mine to play Division one basketball, 154 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: and you know that with the way recruiting goes, I 155 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: never really had an idea of where I wanted to 156 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: actually eventually end up, and so I kind of distanced 157 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: myself from kind of picking a school that I would 158 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: deem as my school. But I definitely supported guys like 159 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: Jimmer and then um Tyler Hawes, just the lone Peat 160 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: guys were a lot of the guys that I watched 161 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: and and looked up to. But then Um, right about 162 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: my ninth grade year and high schools when I started 163 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,479 Speaker 1: noticing Um Sam and what he was doing a bountiful 164 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: and um like small world comparison. One of our best 165 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: family friends was actually his mission companion Um in the 166 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: mission when when he served in Nicaragua, and so that's 167 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: when I kind of started taking even more notice. And 168 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: and when I came up to the visits here at 169 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: Yourta State, Sam was always, you know, super welcoming, and 170 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: it was a big part of why I wanted to 171 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: come here is I wanted to to keep that legacy 172 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: that he created going and UM. And so to kind 173 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: of answer that question in short, I think it was 174 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: really more about who my guys were rather than was 175 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: I a big Utah fan or a Utah State fan 176 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: or um by U fan. And with the proximity, I 177 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 1: probably went to the most of the b I U 178 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: games than than any other. What what what is the 179 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: decision like as to whether or not you're gonna go 180 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: on your mission? UM? A lot of it's just based 181 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: on personal preference. UM. We've been asked, whether it being 182 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: the scriptures or whether by the leaders of the church 183 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: to share the message of the Gospel UM. And so 184 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: for me, it was a hard decision, but at the 185 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: same time an easy decision because I knew how important 186 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: it was to share the message of hope and just 187 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: of love with the world that we live in today, 188 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: and so I knew that it would be an experience 189 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: that UM that I couldn't pass up. And I had 190 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: great examples and my dad, my my brother, and and 191 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: even other guys that played basketball Olympic that that went 192 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: on missions. You know, I looked up to them a lot, 193 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: and and that helped facilitate my decision to serve UH. UM. 194 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: There's a time where my very last high school basketball game, 195 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: UM made that decision to go on a mission more 196 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: difficult than it was just with the the publicity that 197 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: I received from that. It was the Geico Nationals in 198 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: team where we played m R. J. Barrett and Mont 199 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: Bird And so that game kind of changed the course. 200 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: But eventually I still end up going on my mission 201 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: right after that. How you changed the course? UM? So 202 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: right then, UM the coach of Utah State UM got 203 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: let go and Coach Smith was just hired, and so 204 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: that opened up my recruiting once again as UM as 205 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: basically a non committed player. And it was right during 206 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: the Final four where all the coaches are in the 207 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: ballrooms and meeting with each other, and UM, I scored 208 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: twenty nine points in the second half on R. J. 209 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: Barrett and everybody was going crazy on Twitter here and 210 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: social media and everything and um that night, my head coach, 211 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: Coach Evans, got a call from the assistant coach John 212 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: Shire at Duke saying, hey, we want Stephen to come. 213 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: And it had been something that we were talking about 214 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: early on at the beginning of my senior year. We 215 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: were talking about possibly being a preferred walk on at 216 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: Duke and they said that if they didn't feel all 217 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: of their UM thirteen reports in scholarship positions, then UM 218 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: I would be the first in line to change I 219 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: preferred walk onto a scholarship spot. And so um I 220 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: then got He called my coach and said, hey, we 221 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: want Stephen, but not as a preferred walk on. We 222 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: have that open scholarship. And so that was kind of 223 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: the decision that became really tough to pass down Afreid 224 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: scholarship to play at Duke to serve my mission, But 225 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: ultimately came down to that I knew that that God 226 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: came first and that that he'd provide away and then honestly, 227 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: I couldn't be happier than than where I'm out here 228 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,599 Speaker 1: at Eta State. Um, so what is it? What was 229 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: it like for you? They see you turned down Duke 230 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: to go on a mission. Right. He also turned down 231 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: Duke to stay loyal to Utah State even though um, 232 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: they got rid of coach dury A and and they 233 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: hire a guy and Craig Smith, who like you, you 234 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: don't know? Yeah, so so uh when did you find out, 235 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: like timeline wise, where you're going? Where you were going? 236 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: So that game, Um, the game happened in March, and 237 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: they basically Duke was saying that they want me out 238 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: there in May, and then I was planned to leave 239 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: on my mission in July. UM, and I already had 240 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: the assignments to go to Indiana in July. And UM, 241 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: and so that week after the two weeks after that tournament, 242 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: we're stressful. It was a lot of condom play, sation, 243 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: a lot of research, a lot of prayer on just 244 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: what would be in best fit UM and best opportunity 245 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: for me, and and ultimately through a lot of counsel 246 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: with my family and a lot of prayer, UM, I 247 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: then decided UM early April that that I'd stay committed 248 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: to Utah State and UM that I was going to 249 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: go there after my two year mission. Fox Sports Radio 250 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch 251 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: all of our shows at Fox sports Radio Dot com 252 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: and within the I Heart radio app search f s 253 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: R to listen live. Okay, so, uh, Indiana does not 254 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: seem like you know, Sam goes to Sam goes to Nicaragua. 255 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: You go to Indiana. Um, so you do to Indiana? 256 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: What was your what was your because I know they 257 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: move you around as well, what was your first spot 258 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: like when you get to Indiana. Um? So my first 259 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: spot in Indiana, I was in Um there's a town 260 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: called Avon. It's just west of Indianapolis. It it borders 261 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: or some towns of Brownsburg and um and some stuff 262 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: just out the Highway of four sixty five out there. 263 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: And it was great. Um, there's a lot of diversity 264 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: in Indiana that I that I didn't know there was. 265 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: I thought it was mainly gonna be a lot of 266 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: corn fields and um outdoor basketball hoops, which there were 267 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: plenty of that, um, but inside the city and and 268 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: the city's bordering Indianapolis, there's a lot of different diversity 269 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: which was super cool to learn about and um into experience. 270 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: And then I was actually in one of the only 271 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: apartment complexes with an indoor basketball court. So that was Yeah, 272 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: it was perfect. That was a perfect kind of adjustment 273 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: into a into a mission with the opportunity that I 274 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: could just walk down into the basement of the of 275 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: the apartment complex and had a nice little half court setup, 276 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: which was fun. Okay, So, but so that's like the 277 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: opposite of most guys. So many guys they even touch 278 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: of basketball. Yeah, yeah, I mean I have I have 279 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: teammates like Brock Miller who like, we still make a joke. 280 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: He's like, man, like, did you even go on a mission? 281 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: And I was like, yes, I went on a mission. 282 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: I maybe got to play a lot of basketball on 283 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: that mission, but I did go on a mission. And 284 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: Brock he touched the ball like three times, and just 285 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: the culture there he went. Um, he went to South 286 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: America as well, and you know it's a lot of 287 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: soccer and um, that's how you kind of connect with 288 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: the people there. And luckily in Indiana, basically everybody that 289 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: wanted to hear the message also wanted to play basketball, 290 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: and so we'd play a little bit and then then 291 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: after playing, the questions and start coming of like how 292 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: are you so good? Because they don't expect a little 293 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: white kid and a shirt and tie to to be 294 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: a hooper or anything. So it was funny. So, UM, 295 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: what's that? What was that existence like for you? Um 296 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: in Indiana preaching the gospel? Um? You know, yeah, I 297 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: know you have a partner with you. What what was 298 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: you What was your experienced like on your mission in 299 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: terms of not the basketball element, the element of sharing 300 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: the gospel. Yeah, I mean, honestly, it was life changing, 301 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: um for me. And UM, you know, there's a lot 302 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,479 Speaker 1: of people that I was able to share the message 303 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ and the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ 304 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: UM to a lot of people who are confused. Um, 305 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: they didn't know what to believe. Uh. I think especially 306 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: with Christianity today and how many different religions there are, 307 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 1: and how many different beliefs there are, a lot of 308 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: people just want some common ground, wants some understanding of 309 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: of why that happened. And Um, through my study and 310 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: knowledge of the Church of Jesus Christ glatiy Saints, I're 311 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: be able to teach them about, um, the confusion that 312 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: went on after Christ left and and how so many 313 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: people have have different views, and how a lot of 314 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: those views are very similar, but how there's specific things 315 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: that that God once done, and and it was cool 316 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: to be able to bring that piece to them, which 317 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: brought peace to me. And I was able to see 318 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: my witness and testimony of Jesus Christ grow as I 319 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: was teaching it to others, which was I think the 320 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: biggest blessing of it all. Honestly. Well, okay, so so 321 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: I died deeper into that for me, if you would. Okay, 322 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: So it feels like what you're saying is like, look, 323 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,719 Speaker 1: you always believed, right, you always believe, you always had faith. 324 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: But again, this is just me who I have no 325 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: basis of knowledge. Yeah, it feels like though by sharing 326 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: it and by by having these discussions all of a 327 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: sudden now became a lot more real to you. But 328 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: but but explain what that like? Go a little further on, Yeah, 329 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: what what became more real? Toy? What specifically did you 330 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: feel differently about when you were sharing it? Yeah? I think, Um, 331 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: like one of the biggest things that that I thought 332 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: of over and over again is like, Um, before my mission, 333 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: I would say that I believed in Jesus Christ. Like 334 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: I believe that that he did come to earth. I 335 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: believed that he was God's son. Um, I believe that 336 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: he performed miracles. I believed that um, he was resurrected 337 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: and that because of that we can all live again together. UM. 338 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: But after my mission, and even during it, I felt 339 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: like the term really became I believe Jesus Christ. UM. 340 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: So it's not necessarily believing in him, but like I 341 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: believe him, I believe his words. I believe that when 342 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: he says he can heal me, he can forgive me 343 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: him as my sins. UM. It became very more real. 344 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: And so I think that UM, when you one of 345 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: the best ways to learn something is by teaching it UM. 346 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: And I think that even applies to basketball. Right. One 347 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: of the best things that I learn more about a 348 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: move or learn more about a shooting technique is when 349 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: I have young kids that are like, hey, how do 350 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: you do this right? And it takes me a minutes 351 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: think and say, well, I've done it forever. I know 352 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: how to do it, but but how would I help 353 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: you do it? And so when I think about Jesus Christ, 354 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: it's you know, I believe in Jesus Christ, but when 355 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: somebody asks me, well how do I or how can they? Um, 356 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: it becomes very more real. And the sense of how 357 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: I got that testimony, um, and how I've seen it 358 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: change over the years, and um, and honestly, right when 359 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 1: I got back from it, lisn't it It needs to 360 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: be the same thing. You know, if I'm not reading 361 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: my scriptures, are praying daily, then I can feel that 362 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: that sense of you know, kind of taking a step back. Um. 363 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: The same thing is true with with anything in our lives, 364 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,239 Speaker 1: whether it's basketball, work, education. You know, if we're not 365 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: trying to excel at it, um, I think we're we're 366 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: de slling in a way. So UM, I've always wondered, 367 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: you know, like this goes back to when I was 368 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: at au Player middle school, high school. We play, we 369 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: play Utah teams and they can all shoot and they 370 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: don't play. But also it always felt like they were 371 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: like physical and tough. And it's honestly like your boy 372 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: being is like this where if I met you in 373 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: the hallway of like, man, that's the nicest kid ever, 374 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: and I play against you, I'm like, I don't like 375 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: they're so physical and and and and not. And I 376 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: know some of the b y Utah Stoup they get dirty, right, 377 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: but it's like just to that limit of physicality, what's 378 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: that what's that like to carry it's a little bit 379 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: of a burden right where you're You're a little white 380 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: kid from Utah. Dudes are gonna come at you. You know, 381 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: you spent a couple of years, you know, preaching the gospel. 382 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: So everybody, so guys think you're soft? Why do you? 383 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: How do you overcome that? Like? What is the we 384 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: can we can sit around go in circles and talk 385 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: about how we're not supposed to have stereotypes. But the 386 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: truth is when you walk into gym, but it's like 387 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: shoot up right, but they also think you're soft? How 388 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: do you overcome a stereotype like that? Where does that? 389 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: Where does it come from? And I don't think it's 390 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: just you. I do think it's uh something about a 391 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: lot of dudes from Utah. Yeah, I think it's um. 392 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's I totally agree with that. 393 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: I think I'll start with that. I think that, um, 394 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: you know, we got the chess team joke a lot 395 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: um where wherever we were going, it's like, oh, like 396 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: this is gonna be easy. So I think that one 397 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,239 Speaker 1: of the things that that it stems from is just 398 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: the fact that when when anybody's underestimated, um, there there's 399 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: a sense of I have to prove something. And and 400 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: I think that, um, when you look at guys that are, 401 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: you know, skinny shooters, UM, I feel like we often 402 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: feel like we're we're underestimated in our toughness and so 403 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: as sometimes we get even more um tough than we 404 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: we'd ever actually want to be. And so with that 405 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: like an over like almost an overcompensation. Yeah, yeah, it 406 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: becomes a little bit of an over compensation type of 407 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: thing where I even without you telling me what you're thinking, 408 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: I know what you're thinking because I've experienced it time 409 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: and time again, and so when I'm out there on 410 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: the court, it's it's something especially to me as a 411 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: as a short um white point guard. UM. And you know, 412 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: as you watched this year me and Ryanan Jones played together, 413 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: I think that, um, you'll see both of us like 414 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: our games are very similar because it's the only way 415 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: that we can make it to where we are today. Um. 416 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: If we weren't scrappy, if we weren't tough, if we 417 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: couldn't shoot the lights out of the gym, then then 418 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: we wouldn't have the oppert tunity to be or at 419 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: And I think that that you understand that just as 420 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: well with with how well you've played in different situations 421 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: like that. And so, UM, I think that it also 422 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: it stems from there is kind of a whispers going 423 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: on in the state of Utah high school basketball that 424 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: people don't think we're as good as we are, and 425 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: so there's there's something to prove whenever we have the 426 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 1: chance to go outside of the state. And um, and 427 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: I remember in my high school career, whenever anybody would 428 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: go out of state, we always wanted them to win, 429 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: even though we wanted to beat them in the state championship, 430 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 1: we wanted them to beat whoever they're playing out in 431 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: California or Florida or Atlanta type of things like that. 432 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: And so, uh, I think I think that's kind of 433 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: where it stems from. Um. So you guys have so 434 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: much success last year and then coach Smith leaves and 435 00:24:54,320 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 1: goes to Utah. Um, what was your world like when 436 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: that happened? Um, it was tough at first, just because, Um, 437 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: you create this culture, you create this family, and then 438 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: you feel like the father figure just kind of walks 439 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,479 Speaker 1: out on you and and you understand why, but at 440 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: the same time, you don't know why because of all 441 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: the things that were said and all the things that 442 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: were taught. UM. But at the end of the day, 443 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, I'm never gonna you know, be upset with 444 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: somebody who who needed to improve their situation. UM. And 445 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: if he felt like if that wasn't improve of his situation, 446 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 1: and that's his his decision. UM. But I remember finding 447 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: out on Twitter UM that he was leaving, and then 448 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: the team got a text message later from him, and 449 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: I just remember talking with being okay, like it doesn't 450 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: matter what what's gonna happen, like who we're gonna get, 451 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: Like we're aggies, Like this is our place, is where 452 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: we're supposed to be UM. And so it turned not 453 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: being perfect, and with coach Odam coming in it, it's 454 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: been a great fit and we're all excited for what 455 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: what we've got to to prove this year and what 456 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: we've got to do, and so I think it'll be 457 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: really good once again. Kind of weird that with guys 458 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: like you know, uh, you know Riley leaves. Obviously, some 459 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: guys have stayed, some guys left you and you and 460 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 1: being him have stuck it out together. Yeah, first, did 461 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: you did you ever think of leaving? No? No, not really. 462 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 1: I mean when the whole news came out, it was 463 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: really more of a um a situation of just like 464 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: let the cards fall where they may, um and like 465 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 1: I never made plans to enter the trans reporter and 466 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: never made plans to talk with any other coaches. Um, 467 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: it was really just between me and my guys. And 468 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: I felt confident that, really I felt confident if if 469 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: we could have been in Rock, uh stay that we 470 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: can build pieces. Whoever comes in, whoever else stays that 471 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: we can build some great pieces around that. And and 472 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: that's what's happened. And we've had some great pieces come 473 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: in and some other great players stay with us, and 474 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: so I'm excited. So how old is brock Brock? What 475 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: does say he's twenty five? Turn in twenty six? I 476 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: mean he's I feel like he's almost old enough to 477 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: be on the Lakers. Not yet. If the Laker isn't 478 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: need an next you man, Rock might Rock might have 479 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: to believe us for a few weeks you don't play 480 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: with them. But yeah, it's it's a running look that 481 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: we call him grandpa. Um. You know, he's seen a 482 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: few a few sunrises, a few sunsets in his days 483 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: but yeah, I think that, especially in the realm of 484 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: college basketball, you can never underestimate how important it is 485 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: to have a guy like brock Um and guys with 486 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: experience like that, especially tournament times and when times get 487 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: rested in the season, because there's always up and downs 488 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: during the season. But to have guys who know how 489 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: important it is to stay positive, to stay together as 490 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: is always vitable to have on the team. They have 491 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: the suxpression in basketball. In college basketball, get old and 492 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,719 Speaker 1: stay old another one. No one accomplishes that better than 493 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: brock Dollar right like he he totally gets it. Okay. 494 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: So um, social media is fascinating, right, it really is 495 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: that you know some women, but I feel like they're 496 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: thirsty right there. They're looking for attention for you. People 497 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: have known you since high school game that where you 498 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: live up Mumford and then in college now you succeeded 499 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: and Utah State though it's not some gigantic fan base 500 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: like it is a very vibrant fan base. Okay. So 501 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: they opened up the name image and likeness Steel and 502 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: I know you put this posting some stuff for oh 503 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: is body armor? Yeah body arm? Right? Yep? So did 504 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: they did they respond at all, yeah, yeah, So I've 505 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: actually had some great conversations with some companies, like that 506 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: UM body armor was a cool one. I was actually 507 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: um they I messaged them just saying like, hey, I'm 508 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: sure you're aware of the name, image and likeness rules 509 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: that have just changed, and this is this is probably 510 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: the day of namings and image and likeness. Because I'll 511 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: be honest, before Namings and Lightness came out, one of 512 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: the first thing I was thinking is like, how do 513 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: I get free body armor? How did I get by 514 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: a body armor? Just because um, you know there's other 515 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: drinks out there, but one of my things is that 516 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: body armor. To me, it feels like water, but it 517 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: has a nice flavor to to where it's not too sugary, 518 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: especially like the body Armor of Light. And so I 519 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: DM them the day name it was like came out 520 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: and they probably responded UM two weeks later and they said, hey, Steven, 521 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: thanks so much reaching reaching out, UM fill out this 522 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: links We're about to post UM something with with name 523 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: images and lightnessed athletes and so UM they reasot to 524 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: me and I filled it out and then later that 525 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: that week I see that they started this UM brand 526 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: new ambassador thing for body armor. Body armoru is what 527 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: they called it. And so they sent me um a 528 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: few packages already and um, then we'll kind of see 529 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: what goes on from there. Obviously, it would be cool 530 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: to have it be more of a frequent thing and 531 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: maybe one of the the college athletes that gets an 532 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: opportunity to be in a commercial or advertisement for them 533 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: or something like that. But so it kind of it 534 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: kind of feels like like, you know, Oprah does Oprah's 535 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: favorite things, right, and this is a good philosophy for you. 536 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: It's like pick out the stuff that you really like, 537 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: you legit us and then hit him up and go like, hey, 538 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: do you want to do a name, image and likeness 539 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: and and and see see where it goes? Right, Yeah, exactly. 540 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: And um, and I've thought I have some good mentors 541 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: um that understand the business aspect and branding. And so 542 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: it's been good because you know, nobody's gonna want to 543 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: buy something that that I promote if I don't actually 544 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: use it, you know, and so um, it wouldn't make 545 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: sense as a part of my brand either to promote 546 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: something I don't stand for you. So, um, hair you 547 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: gotta do hair product right, Altho. I actually Boneyard Barbering is. 548 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: We've been a few things with them, and so he's 549 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: excited for you to come get your cut when you 550 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: come compensate one of our games this year. I just 551 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: gotta fresh you here in Orange County, but I'm going 552 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: to bone Yard. Yeah, I just you know, I wish 553 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: I had somebody that good when I was in school 554 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: when I had better hair. You know, I had great hair. 555 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: I had great hair, but I used to we had 556 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: a guy who passed away whispering Richard, and he'd like 557 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: he was like coaches this guy, but he wasn't very good. 558 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: He was a super nice guy. I cut my own hair. 559 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: One of your teammates that come cut your hair is 560 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: just terrible fades. You know, you're like you look back, 561 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: You're like, God, it was so I was so cheap. 562 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: But now you don't have to meet you. Now you'd 563 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: be like, hey, look, dude, have you cut my hair? 564 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: I'll give you. I'll promote you, right like that that's 565 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: to do, Yeah, exactly. And uh, we've been talking about 566 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: some other ideas and he actually has some hair um 567 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: cream that that I use, and so we've been talking 568 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: about different ways to possibly promote that and and and 569 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: get that out to people, which is which is a 570 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: really good product. And and so I've also I've talked 571 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: to Whoop, who just released their new product and um 572 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: and they messaged me back with just some feedback that 573 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: that they haven't quite figured out there logistical um, you know, 574 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: stance on um on Whoop and sponsoring college athletes. Social 575 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: happens there as well. Yeah, so it's gonna end up. 576 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm surprised you have. You got to be 577 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,479 Speaker 1: like a NASCAR guy when I interviewed you, you know, 578 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: you're like, hey, thanks, you know, like the Whoop hair 579 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: and the night can in the and the I was 580 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: drinking body armor and then you start answering the questions, right, 581 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: you gotta drop in like all the all the all 582 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: the all the sponsors. Um. I see, I think, I mean, 583 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: I'll be honestly, I think the the other than the 584 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: things that you like the other ones you can do 585 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: is find companies that are owned or run by Mormons 586 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: and then somehow integrated into you know, hey, a portion 587 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: of whatever again is going to the to the church. 588 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: And like then you you kind of make it like 589 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: the Mormon Mafia where all the Mormon companies are the 590 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: ones that supports you guys name, image and likeness. Yeah, Um, 591 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: you're also married, right, four months now? Yeah? Four months now? Um, 592 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: what's that like? What's it like? It's been great. Um 593 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: got married to petson um In in May of this year, 594 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: and um, we're high school sweethearts. We went in high school, 595 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: and um, I went on my mission and she went 596 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: to to Paraguay on her mission, so she kind of 597 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: got the same vibe of Sam and Brock. Um not 598 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,399 Speaker 1: much basketball, right, so you're you're like, you're in You're 599 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: in Indiana pooping in some some nice apartment complex Parauay. Yeah, 600 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: your experience could not be more different. Yeah, literally couldn't 601 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: be more different. Absolutely, And so anytime you go to 602 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: you know, I'm guessing they speak Spanish and Petaway, right, 603 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: so I'm sure anytime somebody somebody speaking Spanish, she goes 604 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: flips the flips the switch, and all of a sudden, 605 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: you're like, whoa, whoa, what is going on there? Yeah? 606 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 1: It was perfect. We actually went on our honeymoon to 607 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: Porta Arta and so she got to basically run the 608 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: show down there, which is perfect. And so um, it's 609 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: been great though married last one. It's fun to have somebody, 610 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: UM to live with up here in Logan, especially because 611 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: we're doing long distance all last year because she was 612 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: going down um to school down in Provo, and so 613 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: it's good to have her up here and to have 614 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: somebody up here. Wait, you got her to transfer, so 615 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: that she she did, she entered the transfer portal and 616 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,479 Speaker 1: then you got to us you so she didn't quite 617 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: enter the transfer portal. She did move. But she's just 618 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: doing online and you know, with with COVID, it was 619 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: able to you know, kind of work out to where 620 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,879 Speaker 1: there's a lot more online availability and so she's still 621 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: doing her degree online and UM this next summer she 622 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,720 Speaker 1: might have to take some classes down there in person. 623 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: But so far it's worked out really well. What what what? 624 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: What are the challenges like? And I know you guys 625 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: haven't in full season and you guys are having practice 626 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: and workouts, but UM, easier or more difficult now that 627 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: you have a spouse right now, you like, you have 628 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: you have basketball, you have school, and you have a wife. 629 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,720 Speaker 1: How How has your how are your days change? Last year? Yeah? 630 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: I think um, one of the biggest things is just prioritizing, Um, 631 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: you know, prioritizing what's important. Um, there's obviously some necessities 632 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: that will have to take care of every day, her 633 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: being first, and then obviously basketball practice and weights and 634 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: and other school work that will have to take place. Um. 635 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: And so I think rather than after finishing my my 636 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: school work and after finishing all my workouts just hanging 637 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 1: out with the boys, it's been a lot more time 638 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: with with her doing things that she wants to do. 639 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: But she's also been super supportive of all the name, 640 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: image and likeness stuff. And um, she'll even come to 641 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: the gym and rebound for me after um, after she 642 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: gets home from work, and so we have some fun 643 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: times bonding out there and we go play called. We 644 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: play golf quite a bit together. Um. She's a golfer, 645 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: so that's nice. And she better than you, not quite, 646 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: not quite. I'm playing pretty oh and I don't play great. 647 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: She's she's better, but I've been playing pretty well recently. 648 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: Same teeese, same tea boxes, no different tea boxes. What 649 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 1: what is the biggest difference I will notice in you 650 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: playing for coach on. I think the biggest difference you'll 651 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: notice is freedom. Um, I feel like I played pretty 652 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,399 Speaker 1: freely last year, but I still had more to give 653 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: and more to offer, I felt like, And I think 654 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 1: that the way that our offense is set up this 655 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: year and just the different tools that we have, will 656 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: be able to play with a lot more freedom and UM, 657 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: and I think you'll see a lot more of me 658 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: creating and then facilitating um off of screen and roll 659 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 1: and just off of I've improved quite a bit this 660 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: off season with just dribble penetration and being able to 661 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: make decisions in the lane. And that was a focus 662 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: just after last year, looking at the percentages from two 663 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: points and three point line and um and wanting to 664 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 1: obviously improve that, and you know, the goal to be 665 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: like stuff curry with club and and stuff like that. 666 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: And so that's probably the biggest difference you'll see. You're 667 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:18,280 Speaker 1: an incredible free throw shooter. What's your routine? Um? My, 668 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: My similar routine when I get to the line is 669 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: is I'll take a deep breath, I'll focus on the 670 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: very front of the rim um and then I'll just 671 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 1: take one dribble and then get it into that shooting 672 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: pocket and straight up and always started to line up. 673 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily line up my foot with the nail. 674 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: I try to line up with where I released the 675 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,319 Speaker 1: ball with the nail, which is just a little bit 676 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: to the right side of my of my head shows 677 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,879 Speaker 1: the nail. So is the nail slightly to the right 678 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: of your foot? How do you? How do you like? 679 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: How do you? How do you line up your your 680 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 1: feet with the nail? Yeah, so my my right foot 681 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,359 Speaker 1: would be slightly outside of the nail, So the nail 682 00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: is gonna be um inside well the left right, Yes, 683 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: to the left. So if I'm shoot, because you shoot, 684 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: you you have that perfect shot where you shoot off 685 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: your right shoulder. Yeah, right here? So yeah, okay, so okay, 686 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: so you take you take a breath first, you line 687 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: up your feet, take a breath. Um. You you look 688 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 1: at the front, front of the rim. You take one 689 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: drillable shot. Pockets you Are you saying anything to yourself? 690 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: Are you? Is there some some way in which you 691 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: finish every time? Like any anything else? Yeah? So one 692 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 1: of the things that I always do, um is actually 693 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: when I take my dribble, I'll say swish um. And 694 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,720 Speaker 1: so I'm not thinking. I think I kind of started 695 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 1: that in around eighth grade. I stopped thinking like, oh, 696 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,399 Speaker 1: I should make this shot. Um, and it's and it's 697 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,479 Speaker 1: kind of changed my mindset, which I think has really helped. 698 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,879 Speaker 1: Like I don't make shots. I want to switch shots 699 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 1: because I'm already expecting it to go in and so, um, 700 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: if I swish it, then I then I'm really pleased. 701 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,720 Speaker 1: If I make it, that's great. Um. And then also 702 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: just in the in the practice of it, I never 703 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,720 Speaker 1: leave a gym without making ten free doze in a row. Um. 704 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: And so that's kind of and obviously I shoot a 705 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: lot of free throws throughout the workout. Um. And I 706 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 1: try to integrate it to where you know, I'm getting 707 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 1: a high heart rate and so it's a game like 708 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: to where I've got to slow it down just a 709 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: little bit, but PHIL still feel it to where I'm 710 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: making in pressure situations and then I'm feeling good. Um. 711 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: You mentioned your workouts, Um how many? How many? Is 712 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: there a number of shots you try and get up 713 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: every day? Yeah, So um, I'm actually starting uh. Um, 714 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: I've created a few workout plans and I'm actually gonna 715 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: gonna promote it um here in the next week or so. 716 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try try to create a training brand in 717 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: a way. UM, and I'm gonna call it the Breakfast 718 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 1: Club after one of the famous stories of Kobe Bryant 719 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: and the USA Olympic team back in two thousand and 720 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: eight and how they called themselves the Breakfast Club because 721 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: they were getting up early, They're getting their work done 722 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: early before practice and then, um, it just kind of 723 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: unified the team. And so, UM, the goal is to 724 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: make to make five shots today, um, And so it 725 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 1: would be considered the five hundred club. And a lot 726 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: of that is is off the dribble. A lot of 727 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,879 Speaker 1: that is form shots, trying to make sure that um, 728 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes inside the five round, sometimes outside. So 729 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: maybe it'll be a little more than I'm making at 730 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: least a fifty two hundred form shots today, just to 731 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: make sure that it's all dial in one workout or 732 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,879 Speaker 1: or do you do you have a plan to where 733 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,799 Speaker 1: you go in the morning and you go in the evening, Like, 734 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: how how does it in your mind? What's what's the 735 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: best way to do so my Um, ideally I would 736 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 1: say it's five one workout, um, and then it just 737 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: depends based on my day. UM. If I know that 738 00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: I don't have enough time to make the five dred 739 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 1: in between class and before practice or other things, and 740 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: I'll get in as many as I can, and then 741 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,319 Speaker 1: I'll save some of it for after practice, and then 742 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 1: I'll get in the rest of it. UM. And so 743 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: ideally it would be just to be able to set 744 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 1: a time apart to where you know you can get 745 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 1: in that five but if it needs to be split 746 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: into you know, an hour in the morning and an 747 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: hour at night. UM. It typically takes me probably uh 748 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 1: seventy five minutes to finish five dred on the move off, 749 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,799 Speaker 1: you know, and I obviously try to shoot some just 750 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 1: standing standing still shooting because you do get some of 751 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: those in the game, but a lot of those are 752 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,400 Speaker 1: sprinting to a corner, sprinting in transition. Just to make 753 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: it as game like as possible. You you never you 754 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 1: don't use your thumb. It's a it's a it's a 755 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: perfect shot. Yeah, how did you developed it? Like? When 756 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 1: did you have the strength to to shoot with one 757 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 1: hand and no no left thumb. I that started actually 758 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 1: in um in eighth grade. So in eighth grade was 759 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,439 Speaker 1: when um quincy Lewis actually he pulled me aside after 760 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,840 Speaker 1: one of the open gyms that we were having and 761 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: he said, hey, uh, it's gonna be hard with it. 762 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 1: Something that you're gonna need to do to play at 763 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,879 Speaker 1: the next level. Um. And he actually walked through with 764 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 1: me the changing because you know, I kind of used 765 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: my thumb and out and I'll push it from hereath 766 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 1: my chin a little bit just was it was still 767 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: a good form, but obviously it wasn't perfect and and 768 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 1: he just worked on elevating it more to upright above 769 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 1: my forehead so where I could get it and um. 770 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: And he worked and honestly, um, and something I still did. 771 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 1: They were worked on a lot where I would just 772 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: cut it like this, the ball then one hand turn 773 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 1: and over and turning over and then UM. I remember 774 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,799 Speaker 1: George talking to George Hill a few years ago and 775 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 1: he was telling me that was like the first year 776 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,919 Speaker 1: he got to the Spurs, Um, he shot it all right, 777 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: and he thought he had a great shot, and then 778 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,240 Speaker 1: that next summer that k, we need to change your shot. 779 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,439 Speaker 1: And he was saying that he would make five form 780 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 1: shots today and they wouldn't let him shoot outside of 781 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 1: outside of ten ft for a month and he just 782 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,359 Speaker 1: had to shoot it over and over and he's like 783 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,840 Speaker 1: just because of you know, and I think anybody that 784 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,839 Speaker 1: wants to change their shot, they just have to be 785 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: basment enough to to give it the time to develop, 786 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,400 Speaker 1: because it's not gonna be perfect after a day or 787 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,799 Speaker 1: even a few days or even a few weeks. It 788 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 1: takes that time, but being confident enough that that it 789 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,879 Speaker 1: will pay off in the end, which which it has 790 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 1: for me. Um when you now you told me you 791 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,919 Speaker 1: say switch when you shoot a free throw? Is are there? 792 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: What are the thoughts or do you have any when 793 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,360 Speaker 1: you're in a game as far as shooting the basketball? 794 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts? Things you save yourself, things 795 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: that you always do, like as part of kind of 796 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,399 Speaker 1: your catch and shoot or go off the dribble routine. Yeah. 797 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,400 Speaker 1: So one thing that I always try to do is 798 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,359 Speaker 1: that before I get into the into the form of it, 799 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,360 Speaker 1: because that's becomes second nature. I always started to focus 800 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: on the front three prongs of the rim, so where 801 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,760 Speaker 1: the net connects with the rim, I'll try to find 802 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 1: three of those, and sometimes you can only find two 803 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,439 Speaker 1: based on the angle you're at, and you just kind 804 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: of I always try to aim right for that middle 805 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,239 Speaker 1: prong um and then I focus on the rim all 806 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: the way until I release it, and then typically about 807 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 1: the last you know, seven too to nine ft of 808 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,880 Speaker 1: it coming down, I'll actually look at the ball and 809 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 1: I'll see if if it was going in between those 810 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: three and then after that I know if it was 811 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,000 Speaker 1: a little right but still went in, then I know 812 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,719 Speaker 1: that I either turned my hand a little too much 813 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,560 Speaker 1: or it was just maybe because of the way I 814 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: was balanced. Um. And so that's actually something that I 815 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 1: learned from Steph Curry watching a few of his of 816 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,319 Speaker 1: his documentaries and different things of of how he likes 817 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,719 Speaker 1: to shoot in it something that that I tried and 818 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 1: I really liked. So he looks at ball flight. Yeah, 819 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,360 Speaker 1: so he's Um, he's a ball flight shooter. UM. And 820 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,759 Speaker 1: I know that some guys are heavily never look at 821 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,080 Speaker 1: the ball. Some guys look right after they release it. UM. 822 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,440 Speaker 1: But my thing is always that I've nactually kind of 823 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 1: always looked at the rim and then seen the ball 824 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 1: come over. But I've I've started more so looking at it, 825 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,840 Speaker 1: and then it's given me a better idea too of 826 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: what the trajectory was like um on its way to 827 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,560 Speaker 1: the rim, of if it was too flat or even 828 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 1: if it had too much arc, which which is hard 829 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,680 Speaker 1: to do. But um, those type of things that I 830 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,279 Speaker 1: can look at and analyze the best in your mind, 831 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 1: from shooter to shooter to step the best shooter, Yes, 832 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,880 Speaker 1: seven Gray is the greatest shooter of all time in 833 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 1: my mind. I think that that you can pick a 834 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,800 Speaker 1: few things of maybe Clay Thompson has a prettier shot, 835 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,240 Speaker 1: or a better form, or maybe a better stand still shooter. 836 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: But I think when you're talking about a shooter, you 837 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,799 Speaker 1: have to be able to attribute every single shot in 838 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 1: every single aspect. That he can go right, he can 839 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 1: go left, and obviously he gets an unbelievably quick release 840 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 1: and unlimited range. Like but the idea that you can 841 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,759 Speaker 1: go right and left and stand still, it's crazy. It's 842 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,840 Speaker 1: just it's it's you know, because most everybody else everybody 843 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 1: has like I really like. Like I remember when I 844 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,840 Speaker 1: was Notre Dame. We we ran a play called three side. 845 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 1: My coach was, uh, the late John McLeod is, an 846 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 1: old NBA coach, and for until the very last game 847 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,880 Speaker 1: of the year, every pick and roll we ran was 848 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,480 Speaker 1: to the right. He's like, well, you're right handed, Like, yeah, 849 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 1: right hand is most guys actually shoot the ball better 850 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,560 Speaker 1: going left. I couldn't really confidently shoot, and I would 851 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,120 Speaker 1: work on it every day in the college. But I, 852 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,600 Speaker 1: like my whole life, I was off the dripple going left. 853 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,799 Speaker 1: But the idea that he can shoot going either way 854 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 1: is just that's the most remarkable. Yeah, And I think that, 855 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,600 Speaker 1: like I've looked at that and even just the way that, like, 856 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,759 Speaker 1: like I was even talking about this with Ray than 857 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:52,080 Speaker 1: the other day, like a crossover pull up has never 858 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,719 Speaker 1: felt natural to me, Like, well, not just that, but 859 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,280 Speaker 1: listen here, here's the it's not just it's not natural. 860 00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,680 Speaker 1: That was always deemed to be a bad shot. Yeah, 861 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,080 Speaker 1: never shoot. I was always never shoot off across him. 862 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,919 Speaker 1: And then he like he violates that right. I mean, 863 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,719 Speaker 1: but he makes such a high percentage and he must 864 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,880 Speaker 1: it must be from working on it and his balance 865 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,479 Speaker 1: and how cleanly he picks it up. Do you see 866 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,720 Speaker 1: you've seen the ball when you pick it up. Yeah. 867 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,960 Speaker 1: So I'm a big seam shooter. Um, anywhere I catch it, 868 00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,239 Speaker 1: I always it will be usually a left hand kind 869 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:29,799 Speaker 1: of turn to get teams. Have you did you have 870 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 1: you practiced as do you have any tricks for that? Um? 871 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,960 Speaker 1: I think part of it is that. Um, I have 872 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 1: actually had UM workouts where I'd sell them never pass 873 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,560 Speaker 1: it to me with the seams, And so with that is, 874 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,200 Speaker 1: I'll always catch it off the seam, and I always 875 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,000 Speaker 1: have to quickly turn it or there's even part of 876 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,000 Speaker 1: me that UM like I was, I'm have a little 877 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,320 Speaker 1: level of O C D. And so whenever I passed 878 00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,960 Speaker 1: the ball, I always pass it to him where it's 879 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,840 Speaker 1: in the part of scene on the seams, in the pocket. 880 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:07,239 Speaker 1: And so UM, I can actually when the ball is 881 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,919 Speaker 1: coming to me. I actually I don't know if I've 882 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,000 Speaker 1: practiced it or if it's just become a second nature. 883 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,440 Speaker 1: I can actually see where the seams are, um. And 884 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,520 Speaker 1: so I actually tend to change my hand position of 885 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,360 Speaker 1: how I catch it to where it catches it on 886 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,040 Speaker 1: the seams, so I don't necessarily have to turn it 887 00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,919 Speaker 1: as much. Okay, I never hadn't heard of that trick. 888 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,480 Speaker 1: That's a that's a really good one. Last thing, shoes, Um, 889 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,920 Speaker 1: what what is your what is your? Not? Was your 890 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,720 Speaker 1: shoe game? Like? Do you wear the same shoes all season? 891 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,920 Speaker 1: Do you change them after a loss? Do you wait 892 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,680 Speaker 1: until they're just like flat tires and they're dead? Um? 893 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,759 Speaker 1: Is there a certain style of shoe you know that 894 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,840 Speaker 1: like I will only wear these shoes you mentioned O 895 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,440 Speaker 1: C D. Guys that have a little O C D 896 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,080 Speaker 1: to have they do the same thing. What give me 897 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,160 Speaker 1: your your your shoe, your shoe, not your shoe game 898 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,160 Speaker 1: in terms of what do you wear around town or 899 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,359 Speaker 1: your shoe game in terms of playing. Yeah, first off, 900 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,279 Speaker 1: I'll only playing Nikes, um and and that's the only 901 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,320 Speaker 1: shoe I'll wear on the court. Um. And then secondly, 902 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:17,360 Speaker 1: I'm a Kobe guy. I grew up a Lakers fan. Um. 903 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,480 Speaker 1: My dad taught me young that that we're Lakers fans, 904 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,399 Speaker 1: and I always like sacrilegion. Utah, it is a little bit. 905 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,080 Speaker 1: But my dad's from Vegas and so we're Dodgers fans. 906 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,960 Speaker 1: Were Lakers fans, you know. That was the closest sports seamen. 907 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,239 Speaker 1: And his grandpa was big Lakers and Dodges fans. So 908 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,160 Speaker 1: he grew up going to the games, which were about 909 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:39,120 Speaker 1: two hours away from Vegas and so um, so I 910 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,560 Speaker 1: grew up wearing Kobe's and um. And then when I 911 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,719 Speaker 1: was on my mission, he passed. UM and I still 912 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,839 Speaker 1: remember that day, just sitting in church and I got 913 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,279 Speaker 1: a message like, hey, Kobe just died, and I was like, 914 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,920 Speaker 1: wait what um but wait, olga, let's let's let's go 915 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,239 Speaker 1: to that day. Okay, I'll tell you where I was show. 916 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,840 Speaker 1: I had gotten back from calling a game. My daughter 917 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,400 Speaker 1: isn't equestrian writer, and we're sitting there and she's warming 918 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,480 Speaker 1: up and all of a sudden, I get a text. 919 00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,399 Speaker 1: It's like, there's no way this is real. And then 920 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,560 Speaker 1: a couple of dudes like, no way, no way, and 921 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,640 Speaker 1: all my friends they think, because you know you when 922 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:24,040 Speaker 1: you work in sports, like like I somehow know what's 923 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,319 Speaker 1: a real story, and I do, but like not when 924 00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,360 Speaker 1: it breaks. And then they're like, did you check Twitter? 925 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,359 Speaker 1: Kobe died And I looked at was like and like 926 00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,560 Speaker 1: and and no one knew his real faith but it 927 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:40,200 Speaker 1: was TMZ and generally they don't miss. Right. Um, So 928 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,080 Speaker 1: my daughter actually, then she's riding in the ring in 929 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,879 Speaker 1: a show. She is great, she wins, and she gets 930 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,440 Speaker 1: the other rings. She's walking her horseback to her to 931 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:55,400 Speaker 1: the grooms and she bawling. Now she didn't she had 932 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,760 Speaker 1: gone to school with Gianna who died in the crash, 933 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,320 Speaker 1: but she wasn't like she knew Kobe and at the time. 934 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,600 Speaker 1: It said that nobody in her family was was with her, 935 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,719 Speaker 1: and she starts crying. I go up to her and 936 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,239 Speaker 1: turns out actually her best friend was on the on 937 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:16,000 Speaker 1: the helicopter um um me Lissa Alta Belly, and she 938 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,960 Speaker 1: knew Johanna and she knew basically almost everybody on that 939 00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,520 Speaker 1: on that plane. She knew the Choppers she knew. So 940 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,560 Speaker 1: that was that was my That was my day. What 941 00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,239 Speaker 1: was what church? Were you in? What? What town in Indiana? Yeah? 942 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,280 Speaker 1: So I was actually on campus um I E Pui, 943 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,799 Speaker 1: so right downtown in Indianapolis, And the building was just 944 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,560 Speaker 1: right off the river, um the White River down there, 945 00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,279 Speaker 1: And I remember I was in UM. I was in 946 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,800 Speaker 1: like the second hour of church, so Sunday school, and 947 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:51,120 Speaker 1: I was actually reading the scripture UM, and the everybody 948 00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,480 Speaker 1: in the class kind of just like stopped because like 949 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,880 Speaker 1: we all got notifications and UM. And so you you 950 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,319 Speaker 1: have so your do you have your phone on you? 951 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,160 Speaker 1: Is it? Like? What is I? Again? Every church is different. 952 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:05,880 Speaker 1: You have your phone? I even start fuzzing or did 953 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,160 Speaker 1: somebody else start looking at their phone? And then you 954 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:09,880 Speaker 1: look at yours? How How did you? How did you 955 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,960 Speaker 1: go down? Yes? So I actually there's a there's a 956 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,359 Speaker 1: church app with all of our scriptures on it, and 957 00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,400 Speaker 1: so I had the church app open and then I 958 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,440 Speaker 1: got you know, different text messages or messenger, Facebook Messenger, 959 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,080 Speaker 1: different stuff like that. And so Facebook is actually the 960 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:29,239 Speaker 1: approved social media for missionaries. So I didn't have Twitter. Um, 961 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,239 Speaker 1: I didn't have Instagram. I just had Facebook. And I 962 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,000 Speaker 1: get this message like check this out. Like I get 963 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,000 Speaker 1: another message I can't believe he died, like you know 964 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:44,000 Speaker 1: what's happening like all of this stuff and um, and 965 00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,440 Speaker 1: I was like there's no way, like this isn't real. Um. 966 00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,040 Speaker 1: But then like the leader of the congregation after Sunday 967 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,719 Speaker 1: school came up to me. He's like, hey, like I 968 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,719 Speaker 1: know you're basketball player. I know my scenarios don't have 969 00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:56,399 Speaker 1: a lot of access to stuff like did you hear 970 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,480 Speaker 1: that Kobe Bryant died? And like that's when it like hit. 971 00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,319 Speaker 1: I was like no way, like this can't be real. 972 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,560 Speaker 1: And then every every Sunday night we called the different 973 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,360 Speaker 1: missionaries to see like how their week was, see if 974 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,800 Speaker 1: they need anything, and one of the elder missionaries was 975 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,600 Speaker 1: from California like answered the phone. He was just like 976 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,160 Speaker 1: bawling and he was just like so sad. He grew 977 00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,640 Speaker 1: up a Lakers fan, just like me, and and like 978 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,560 Speaker 1: I still remember that pain, like we felt together, like 979 00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,799 Speaker 1: we didn't know him, like personally or anything. Right, But 980 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,160 Speaker 1: when something like that happens to people who just you know, 981 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,200 Speaker 1: love somebody, it's painful to see. And you know, I 982 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,839 Speaker 1: couldn't imagine for your family, especially a daughter who who 983 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,520 Speaker 1: knew them personally, what it would be like. But but 984 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,360 Speaker 1: but I think that also sparks why I love wearing 985 00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,520 Speaker 1: them even today. You know, it's it's kind of like 986 00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,440 Speaker 1: living on his legacy. And um, I love the Kobe fours, fives, 987 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,440 Speaker 1: and sixes, and those are probably my go to pairs 988 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,799 Speaker 1: that I wear for games. I've gotten a few more 989 00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,759 Speaker 1: this offseason that hopefully I'll be able to showcase. And 990 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,799 Speaker 1: are you like superstitious, like you play well in one 991 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:06,480 Speaker 1: you keep wearing those? Actually in high school. In high school, 992 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,520 Speaker 1: I was very superstitious. So there's a pair of shoes that, um, 993 00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,279 Speaker 1: I didn't have a great game in and then they 994 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,480 Speaker 1: were out of the rotation even though I loved them, Like, 995 00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,000 Speaker 1: I'd still practice in them because there's some of my favorites. 996 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:24,320 Speaker 1: But like Um, they're actually the Kobe elevens. Um, they're 997 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,279 Speaker 1: this nice pair of Kobe elevens that I got for 998 00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,759 Speaker 1: Christmas one year. Um, And then I had to go 999 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,200 Speaker 1: to the Kobe A d s, which actually were my 1000 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,000 Speaker 1: personal favorite. But like they're okay, But I played really 1001 00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,480 Speaker 1: well on them for a while, so I was like, 1002 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,120 Speaker 1: I gotta keep rocking with it. And we actually won 1003 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,520 Speaker 1: the state championship, so I guess it worked. Where do 1004 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:45,120 Speaker 1: you wear against Montberg? I wore some Lebrons, so we 1005 00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:50,239 Speaker 1: got invited to Geico, right, and my buddy's dad bought 1006 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,319 Speaker 1: these the same black and gold because our colors were 1007 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,240 Speaker 1: black and golden maroon. You bought these black and gold 1008 00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:00,239 Speaker 1: Kobe's or Lebron's. I'm like, I never wear Lebron. It's 1009 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,319 Speaker 1: like they're so heavy. There's like you know, so I 1010 00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,560 Speaker 1: mean people like they're made He's like six ft eight, 1011 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,399 Speaker 1: two hundred sixty pound dude, shoes made for him. Yeah, 1012 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:16,719 Speaker 1: you weren't space boots dropping, Yeah exactly. And so like 1013 00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,920 Speaker 1: then my buddy's like, bo, you gotta wear those every 1014 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,399 Speaker 1: game every game in college. I'm like, dude, I can't 1015 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,359 Speaker 1: wear those, like their bricks. But like they were really 1016 00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:29,000 Speaker 1: comfy actually, like they did have a lot of cushion. Um. 1017 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,319 Speaker 1: But yeah, so that game against mort Bury and I 1018 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,320 Speaker 1: was like one of the only games I've never wear Kobe's. 1019 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,440 Speaker 1: I worked some Kyries Sometimes I do like Kyrie's mainly 1020 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,000 Speaker 1: because they were might be of early Kobe's and the 1021 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,879 Speaker 1: way that they feel and and stuff. But um, in college, yeah, 1022 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,040 Speaker 1: I've I've I think mentally i've I don't know if 1023 00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,320 Speaker 1: it's gotten over, but the superstition of shoes, But I 1024 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:52,880 Speaker 1: think I'm kind of past that, which I think is 1025 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,600 Speaker 1: good in a way, just because I think I need 1026 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,399 Speaker 1: to be able to be confident enough that no matter 1027 00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,239 Speaker 1: what shoe, I play and I'll be able to play good. 1028 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,919 Speaker 1: So let's just say Utah State place in the final 1029 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,640 Speaker 1: four next year. As you mentioned, you said, I like fours, fives, 1030 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,319 Speaker 1: and sixes, but you only get to pick one. And 1031 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,839 Speaker 1: the Nakee guys come in your You're in logan, your 1032 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,360 Speaker 1: fat practic facility, right, and they're like, hey, what shoes 1033 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,320 Speaker 1: do you want to wear in the final four? What's 1034 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:22,320 Speaker 1: your official answer? Um, I gotta go with I'm asking 1035 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,760 Speaker 1: for something exclusive here that they they haven't made to 1036 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,120 Speaker 1: the public. But I'm going with the purple Devin Book 1037 00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,240 Speaker 1: or Kobe Force. So those purple ones that he wore 1038 00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,000 Speaker 1: basically the whole playoffs, those would be the shoe that 1039 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,360 Speaker 1: I would wear, um, just because I feel like they'd 1040 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,720 Speaker 1: stand out a little bit, but also that the Code 1041 00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,200 Speaker 1: four is a super comfy Yeah, just a little bit. 1042 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,280 Speaker 1: Just the the shoes. It's like we wore the grinches right, 1043 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,840 Speaker 1: just enough, just enough, but not so over the top, right. 1044 00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,480 Speaker 1: You want to be the guy that's got the arms sleeve, 1045 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:57,240 Speaker 1: you know, and and a headband and the shoes and 1046 00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,280 Speaker 1: the sweat bands or whatever, like the branch you know, 1047 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,840 Speaker 1: green or some purple shoes. I like it. It's a 1048 00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,600 Speaker 1: it's an understated deal. Yeah, all right, do listen. I 1049 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,440 Speaker 1: know you gotta go. You get a heart out. I 1050 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,400 Speaker 1: do as well. It's great to catch up with you, 1051 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,920 Speaker 1: and congratulations on your nuptules. Um, and let's catch up 1052 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,640 Speaker 1: again in logan and let's get you some more and 1053 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,760 Speaker 1: I l deals, right, we got we gotta make you 1054 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,480 Speaker 1: a Nike athlete. You gotta um, you know, obviously the 1055 00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,160 Speaker 1: bone Yard I'm coming. We've gotta get their hair products going. 1056 00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,120 Speaker 1: And then continue to all of the all of the 1057 00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:34,160 Speaker 1: Steven Ashworth things, right, that's what you gotta. I can't 1058 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,280 Speaker 1: believe you have into Ashworth now it's golf gear, but 1059 00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,880 Speaker 1: I haven't hit up Ashworth through that would be that 1060 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,240 Speaker 1: would be a go to. I mean, I think I 1061 00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,000 Speaker 1: could get something with Ashworth golf gear, um, kind of 1062 00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,560 Speaker 1: like the Curry brand you know in golf, and so 1063 00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,760 Speaker 1: I don't even know how I haven't even thought of 1064 00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,720 Speaker 1: that one. I'm gonna text them right now. Yeah, if 1065 00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,080 Speaker 1: you know anybody at Nike, tug me up. I'd love 1066 00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,680 Speaker 1: to to wear some some out there type of shoes 1067 00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,280 Speaker 1: that are kind of just underlying. Nothing too crazy, but 1068 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,040 Speaker 1: you know I'm a Nike guy, and you know that'd 1069 00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,880 Speaker 1: be a dream come true to to be able to 1070 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,480 Speaker 1: have some Nike gear like that. Thanks so much for 1071 00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,840 Speaker 1: all the shooting advice and all those thoughts. I appreciate 1072 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,240 Speaker 1: you joining me and being my guest for sure. Take 1073 00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,880 Speaker 1: care of that. Great to see you. Likewise, I'm not 1074 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,240 Speaker 1: a fun combo. I thought it was great. Um. By 1075 00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,480 Speaker 1: the way, if you like what you here, make sure 1076 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,160 Speaker 1: you write us a positive review. I think it benefits 1077 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,840 Speaker 1: the pod somehow. 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