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Speaker 1: something wrong with your net. It's too big, too many

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Speaker 1: holes in it. And one Friday afternoon, while suffering from

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Speaker 1: the disease, I read a portion of sermon by Charles Spurgeon,

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Speaker 1: and he said this, what will you do when the

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Speaker 1: law comes in terror, when the trumpet of the archangel

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Speaker 1: shall tear your way, terar its way into your guilty soul,

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Speaker 1: when the book shall be open and all your sin

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Speaker 1: and shame shall be punished? Can you stand against against

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Speaker 1: an angry law? In that day? And I remember looking

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Speaker 1: at that and thinking, oh, that's a little different from

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Speaker 1: God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life.

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Speaker 1: Right the what is Spurgeon doing. He is using the law.

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Speaker 1: I'm making sinners tremble. That was on a Friday night,

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Speaker 1: Sunday morning. I was about one hundred miles away waiting

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Speaker 1: to speak in a very small Presbyterian church. And I

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Speaker 1: was in a room and I opened my Bible and

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Speaker 1: I Regulatians three twenty four. Wherefore the law was our

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Speaker 1: schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. And I thought, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: a law was a schoolmaster to bring Israel to Christ.

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Speaker 1: And I thought, no, it doesn't say that. He said us.

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Speaker 1: I thought, is it legitimate as Spurgeon was doing, to

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Speaker 1: use the law the ten Commandments to bring the knowledge

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Speaker 1: of sin. So remember I had some time was they

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Speaker 1: had some thermal pools in this small town. Shut my

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Speaker 1: Bible ran to these thermal poles, sat into it, and

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Speaker 1: I determined to witness the next person who came into

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Speaker 1: the pool. Big guy sat next to me, and so

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Speaker 1: instead of saying and Jesus came into my heart and

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Speaker 1: filled the god chap vacuum, and I found peace, love,

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Speaker 1: joy fulfillment, and life just became perfect with no problems.

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Speaker 1: When I gave my heart to Jesus. Instead of saying that,

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Speaker 1: I went through the Ten Commandments and talked about judgment

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Speaker 1: Day and the reality of hell. And this guy, I'll

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Speaker 1: never forget it, stood to his feet and it was

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Speaker 1: a very cold day and he was steaming. That's why

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Speaker 1: I remember it. And he said, I've never heard that

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Speaker 1: put so clearly in all my life. And he just

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Speaker 1: walked off. And it was like a light bulb went

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Speaker 1: off on my head, because one went off on hint

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Speaker 1: his head. Because the Commandment is a lamp and the

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Speaker 1: Law is light. It brings the knowledge of sin. It's

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Speaker 1: a schoolmasters bring us to Christ. So I thought, I wonder,

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Speaker 1: So I went to a Christian bookstore and I began

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Speaker 1: grabbing Wesley Moody Whitfield and just checking out different areas

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Speaker 1: in these books. And when I found a chapter that

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Speaker 1: I thought, this could tell me. Everywhere I read, these

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Speaker 1: great preachers said, if you do not use the law

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Speaker 1: to bring the knowledge of sin, you will fill the

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Speaker 1: church with false converts. And it's exactly what's happened. We're

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Speaker 1: forsaken God's law and its capacity to bring the knowledge

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Speaker 1: of sin and show us a need of a savior.

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Speaker 1: And instead of causing people to tremble, that's sinning against

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Speaker 1: God and fleeing to the cross. We've upheld Jesus or fiction, marriage,

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Speaker 1: a drug problem, alcohol problem. So people come experimentally to

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Speaker 1: find if Jesus fixes everything, and when he doesn't, we

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Speaker 1: get instead tribulation, temptation, and persecution. They fall away and

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Speaker 1: their ladder in becomes worse than the first. So we've

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Speaker 1: got masses of not any false converts in the church.

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Speaker 1: We've got millions who have been inoculated by another gospel.

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Speaker 2: The Puritans knew that the Puritan they preached that Spurgeon

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Speaker 2: was born too late, but he was a lost Puritan,

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Speaker 2: but he understood exactly what they meant. And this is

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Speaker 2: the hinge to your ministry. This starting with the sin,

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Speaker 2: bringing magnifying the guilt of the person under a holy

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Speaker 2: God is the hinge to your ministry. That's what you

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Speaker 2: have done from the beginning, and that's what sets you apart.

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Speaker 2: And that's also what is so different. You know, we

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Speaker 2: see online ministries, you know, there's millions of them. Before

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Speaker 2: this this conversation with you, I was reviewing one in particular,

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Speaker 2: there's a there's a young guy very popular on YouTube shorts.

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Speaker 2: And he goes and he goes into the streets and

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Speaker 2: and he says, he says his testimony exactly like you

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Speaker 2: just articulated what you just said, that that would be

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Speaker 2: the wrong thing to do. He goes and he says,

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Speaker 2: I was I was searching for something. I had a

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Speaker 2: god size hole in my heart, and the Lord came

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Speaker 2: to me in in a very profound way. And now

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Speaker 2: I'm here to tell you that you could have that

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Speaker 2: same thing. Because God loves you and you might have

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Speaker 2: to pray for you. And this is his prayer. This

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Speaker 2: is what's interesting, and I wanted to talk to you

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Speaker 2: about it, he says. He says, God, this, this guy,

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Speaker 2: we'll call him Tom, Tom is searching for you. Will you, Jesus,

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Speaker 2: will you present yourself to him in dreams and visions

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Speaker 2: so that he knows you. Amen? And that's that's the

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Speaker 2: end of the prayer. And that's the end of the clip.

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Speaker 2: And it gets millions of Yews. People love that idea,

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Speaker 2: but it is not the scalpel you were talking about

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Speaker 2: that cuts through the heart.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, think of Nathan with David. Nathan said David man

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Speaker 1: stolen another man's lamb, killed it. And David stood on

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Speaker 1: his high throne and self righteousness and said that man

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Speaker 1: on a store fourfold and he will die. And then

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Speaker 1: Nathan said, you are the man. Why have you despised

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Speaker 1: the commandment of the Lord. And then David cried, I've

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Speaker 1: sinned against God. And then we have the penitent prayer

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Speaker 1: of some fifty one. Have mercy upon me, O, God,

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Speaker 1: according to loving kindness, according to the multitude of your

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Speaker 1: tender mercies, blot out my transgressions against you. And you

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Speaker 1: only have I sinned and done this evil in your sight?

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Speaker 1: Nathan didn't talk to David about a wonderful plan. When

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Speaker 1: you're committed adultery and murder, what's that? What's that got

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Speaker 1: to do with anything? What a misrepresentation. And we have

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Speaker 1: multitudes in our nation that commit adultery and hate people,

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Speaker 1: and even murder, and filled with lustin and fornication and blasphemy.

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Speaker 1: And they need to be confronted with God's law or

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Speaker 1: they will have a false conversion. Think of the prodigal son.

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Speaker 1: What was it that sent him back to his father?

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Speaker 1: As I said before, it was the knowledge that he

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Speaker 1: was desiring pig food. That's what made him say, whips,

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Speaker 1: we've lost the picture. You're still there.

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Speaker 2: I'm so here good.

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Speaker 1: My picture just disappeared, so let me pick it up.

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Speaker 1: Because it was so important. It was the knowledge that

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Speaker 1: his desire was for pig food, and it was my

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Speaker 1: knowledge that I had desires that were unclean. All is

544
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Speaker 1: an unclean thing. But what modern evangelism does is it

545
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Speaker 1: doesn't take the prodigal son and show him his desires

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Speaker 1: are unclean. Instead, it circumnavigates that. So the prodigal goes

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Speaker 1: back to the father. Instead of saying I've sinned against heaven,

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Speaker 1: and in your sight make me a servant, he goes

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Speaker 1: back to the Father and says, I've run out of money.

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Speaker 1: You be my servant. And that's what happens with a

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Speaker 1: prosperity doctrine. They don't this whole prosperity thing. What they

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Speaker 1: say doesn't bother me. It's what they don't say.

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Speaker 2: All these exactly creatures.

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Speaker 1: They don't talk about sin, righteousness, and judgment. They talk

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Speaker 1: about everything else except the cross Christ crucified for sinners.

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Speaker 1: And so people make decisions and God becomes their servant.

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Speaker 1: I've run out of money. You be my servant, You

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Speaker 1: supply my needs, You make me win the sport. And

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Speaker 1: it doesn't work like that. God doesn't come running when

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Speaker 1: we click our fingers. He's not a divine butler. I mean,

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Speaker 1: just go back. We're talking about a hinge. I ask people,

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Speaker 1: and quite often I say and ask even sinners. If

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Speaker 1: you're a doctor and you're a patient in front of

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Speaker 1: you who was incredibly well looking, head of physique like mine.

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Speaker 1: He went to the gym every day. He looked incredibly healthy.

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Speaker 1: But you know better because you've seen X rays. He's

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Speaker 1: going to be dead in two weeks because you know

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Speaker 1: there's a cancerous disease seeping through his body. You've got

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Speaker 1: a cure in your pocket. Do you give him the

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Speaker 1: cure or do you show him the X rays? And

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Speaker 1: a lot of people say, ah, just give him the cure.

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Speaker 1: I said, that's not going to work, and they say

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Speaker 1: why because he thinks he's well. He's gonna say, doc,

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Speaker 1: what's this? Look at me, look at my physique. I'm

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Speaker 1: go to the gym every morning. What are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: He's not going to want a cure what he hasn't

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Speaker 1: seen his disease. Doctor, knows what he's doing. He's going

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Speaker 1: to point to the point, to the X rays and

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Speaker 1: he's going to show this poison seeping through the system,

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Speaker 1: and he's going to make him tremble to a point

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Speaker 1: where he says, Wow, Doc, this is serious. What should

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Speaker 1: I do? Now? He's ready for the cure. Now he'll

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Speaker 1: appreciate it and appropriate it because he's seen as disease.

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Speaker 1: And now he'll appreciate and understand the cure. And so

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Speaker 1: that's the essence of what I do and what Jesus did.

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Speaker 1: As we just show sinners the X rays of the commandments.

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Speaker 1: The God requires truth in the inward partsaw that the

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Speaker 1: law is spiritual. And my aim is to give the

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Speaker 1: Philippian jailer this personal earthquake. I want to make Felix

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Speaker 1: tremble to a point where you'll say, Wow, this is serious.

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00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: What must I do to be saved? And the modern

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Speaker 1: Church doesn't do that because they don't see fear as

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Speaker 1: being beneficial. The fear of the Lord is the beginning

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Speaker 1: of wisdom. Scripture says, through the fear of the Lord,

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Speaker 1: men depart from evil. And when people don't fear God,

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Speaker 1: they'll not depart from evil. They'll cling to their sins

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Speaker 1: and profess to be Christians and don't depart from iniquity

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Speaker 1: as what they should, and then they don't bring forth

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Speaker 1: fruit worthy of repentance.

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Speaker 2: Amen. And when you say modern church, that's not all encompassing,

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Speaker 2: because there are still some.

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, we'll give this.

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Speaker 2: So if that's the hinge, we've we've walked through exactly

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Speaker 2: what you do, that is the hinge. But as that

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Speaker 2: door of that hinge swings open, then it is then

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Speaker 2: when you present the gospel. And when you present the

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Speaker 2: gospel it is not merely Jesus loves you. That's the

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Speaker 2: end of the story. It is a gospel of substitutionary atonement.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: And so then now as the door swings open with

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Speaker 2: your hinge of exposing the sin, now tell us what

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Speaker 2: the next step is. As the door swings open.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jesus loves you is not biblical. People are quick

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Speaker 1: to say, yes, it is.

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Speaker 2: It's not.

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Speaker 1: It's not found a scripture. Want find anyone using the

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Speaker 1: phrase Jesus loves you. In fact, whenever the love of

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Speaker 1: God is presented, almost always, it's always in direct correlation

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Speaker 1: to the cross. Herein is love, not that we love God.

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Speaker 1: But then he loved us and sin his son to

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Speaker 1: be a substitute or propitiation for us sins. God so

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Speaker 1: loved the world that he gave his only begotten son.

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Speaker 1: I'm crucified with Christ. Nevertheless, I live yet not I,

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Speaker 1: but Christ lives in me. And the love and the

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Speaker 1: love of God to have, however that ends seventy five,

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Speaker 1: Give me a break the love by that God who

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Speaker 1: loved me and gave himself for me. Paul says, he

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Speaker 1: loved me and gave himself me, pointing to the cross.

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Speaker 1: And so what I want to do is necessitate the cross.

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Speaker 1: It's like being in a plane and you've got a

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Speaker 1: guy who's sitting there and he has no concern that

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Speaker 1: he has to jump out of the plane because he's

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Speaker 1: enjoying a good movie and he's eating good food. He's

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Speaker 1: enjoying the flight. But you know the plane's going to crash.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't know that. He doesn't even think about putting

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Speaker 1: on a parachute. So the best thing I can do

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Speaker 1: for this person is to say, could you just stop

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Speaker 1: eating from it? And I want you to look down. This

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Speaker 1: plane's going to crash, and I want you to think

640
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: about hitting the ground at one hundred and twenty miles

641
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: an hour. That's going to be terrifying. In fact, I'm

642
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: going to hang you out the plane by your ankles

643
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: for two seconds. When you come back in, fear is

644
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: going to kick in and do you a favor. Fear

645
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: is going to be your friend, not your enemy, because

646
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: it's going to make you put on a parachute. And

647
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: what I tell sinn is is I've tried to put

648
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: the fear of God in you today, hoping you'll see

649
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: that fear is your friend, not your enemy, because it'll

650
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: make you serious with the God that gave you life.

651
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: And people suddenly say, yeah, I am feeling scared. My

652
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: mouth did go dry, I did quiver on the lip.

653
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: And I said, well, listen to that fear. It's God given,

654
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: it's your will to live, and you need a fleet

655
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ. And you know, I've got someone and

656
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: going to call me up and do an interview on miracles.

657
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: And I'm a little nervous because I believe in healing.

658
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: You know, someone's sick, I'll pray for them. Someone says

659
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: I've got cancer, I'll pray for you every night. And

660
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: I'm believing for God to do a miracle, but I

661
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: don't see too many of them. However, there is a

662
00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: miracle that every human being can have. And remember the

663
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: Pharisees came to Jesus and said, show us a sign.

664
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: And Jesus said, no sign shall be given to this

665
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: adulterous and evil generation. But the sign of Jonah, as

666
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: Jonah was in the fish for three days, three nights,

667
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: social and son a man be in the heart of

668
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: the earth. So that's a direct point to the gospel.

669
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: Jesus is liking Jonah to the gospel. And that's the

670
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: sign that's given. And that's the miracle that God offers

671
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: human beings. He will take a heart of stone, give

672
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: you a heart of flesh. He'll open the eyes of

673
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: your understanding. He'll take out of darkness and de light,

674
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: out of death into life. He will so radically change

675
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 1: you on the inside and make you a new creation

676
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: that all things will pass away, all things will become you,

677
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: and you'll suddenly get a love for righteousness, a consciousness

678
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: of God's presence, and a love for his word. And

679
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: I look back, and this is my own personal miracle.

680
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: And this is what God offers every sinner. I had

681
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: no serious thought about God for twenty two years as

682
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: a non crest. I can say I don't think I

683
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: gave God ten seconds serious thought, even though I used

684
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: to pray the Lord's prayer every night. But the moment

685
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: I was saved, the moment I was born again, everything

686
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: within me you wanted to please the God that gave

687
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: me life. And it's now been fifty something years, and

688
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: there wouldn't be ten minutes when I didn't think about

689
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: the Lord and what he wants me to do, and

690
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: the lost and the Howl, and the Bible and his promises.

691
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,479
Speaker 1: It wasn't something I instigated. It was something that God

692
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: did within me. And that's our own personal miracle that

693
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: God gives everyone that comes to Christ. And I love

694
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: what someone once said, the man with an experience is

695
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: not at the mercy of a man with an argument.

696
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: If you know you're born again, you know you pass

697
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: from death to life. I don't care what anyone says,

698
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: even if they find the bones of Jesus in Jerusalem,

699
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't deter me one second. I don't doubt my savior.

700
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: If someone comes up to me of the trailer oad

701
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: of diamonds and says swap before you've got in. Christ,

702
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: absolutely not take a hike, because I've found something more

703
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: precious than all the gold in the world.

704
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: So ray, what was the name of the hypothetical man

705
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: we were working with here? Eric? Eric? Okay? So Eric,

706
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: Eric is now on the airplane. You have interrupted his

707
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: fine meal in first class and you have told him

708
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 2: you better look out the window because there is smoke

709
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 2: coming out of the wings. This plane is going down.

710
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: That's what you've done at the beginning of the conversation

711
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 2: with Eric. And then as he realizes, oh wow, you're right.

712
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: As much as I want to deny it, I do

713
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 2: see now that this plane is going down. So how

714
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: do you then offer Eric the parachute? Let's go hypothetical back.

715
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: Okay, back to Eric. I want him to put on

716
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: the Lord Jesus Christ. I want him to put on

717
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: the parachute. So what I do is I say, now,

718
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: you're under God's wrath. You're hitting for hell. You know that.

719
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 1: What did God?

720
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: You've actually asked him that too. You said Heaven or

721
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: Hell after you?

722
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,479
Speaker 1: Because I'm the prosecutor, he's defenders. How do you plead

723
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: guilty or in guilty Heaven or Hell? And they'll say hell.

724
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: Often they'll say hell because they can't. They can't say

725
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to heaven. And the Bible says all liars

726
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: of the part in the lake of fire. And so

727
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: I say, what did God do for guilty sinners so

728
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have to go to hell? And the answer

729
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: comes back, Jesus died on the cross. And this is

730
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: what I ask in us, especially with Catholics, I say,

731
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: what does that mean? Here you are under God's wrath

732
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: heading for hell. How can the death of Jesus two

733
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 1: thousand years ago help you? And they go quiet and say, well,

734
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: he set as an example of how we should live

735
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: when we're persecuted. That's their understanding of the cross. The

736
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: God of this world has blinded the minds of them

737
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: that believe, not least the light of the glorious Gospel

738
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: should shine under them. I say no, no, I said,

739
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: let me tell you what God. And I said, and

740
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: I say, Eric, if you can get a grip of this,

741
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: it's going to change everything for you. So don't let

742
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: anything distract you. And the reason I say that is

743
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: that's when distractions come from all over the place. Normally,

744
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: people button, someone play guitar beside us. A guy come

745
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: up with a bike and ring the balon, just things

746
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: like that. So I said, don't And if he gets distracted,

747
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: I say, remember what I said, don't let anyone to

748
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: distract you. And I say this, it's as simple as this, Eric,

749
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: you and I broke God's law. Jesus paid the fine.

750
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 1: That's what happened on that cross. We broke the law.

751
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: He paid the fine. That's why he cried out, it

752
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 1: is finished. Just before he died, he was saying, paid

753
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: in full. And this is the kicker. This is what

754
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: opens the understanding. I said, if you're in court and

755
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 1: you've got speeding fines and you plead guilty, a judge

756
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: will let you go if someone pays those fines. He says, Eric,

757
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: you're guilty, but you can go because someone paid your fine.

758
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: And I say, and it's legal. God, Eric can legally

759
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: take death off you. Or because Jesus paid the fine

760
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: and it's legal. And then he rose from the dead

761
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: and defeated death. And if you'll simply repent of your sins,

762
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: and you'll never do that while you think you're a

763
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: good person, But today we've looked at what sin is

764
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: and put your trust in Jesus. God promises he'll grant

765
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: you ever lasting life as a free gift, not because

766
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: you're good, but because He's good and kind and rich

767
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: in mercy. And then I say, does that make sense?

768
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: Or do you understand what I'm saying? Why? Because that's

769
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: what Philip said to the Ethiopian Eunich. Do you understand why?

770
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: Because the good soiler hero and the peril of the

771
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: sower hears and understands. What is it that brings understanding

772
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: the schoolmaster? The law brings the knowledge of sin. The

773
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: commandment is a lamp, and the law is light. And

774
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: Eric will say, yeah, I've never heard it put like

775
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: that before. So Eric, I didn't say Siri, I said, Eric,

776
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: crazy woman, modern technology, hahuh? Poor. We want to how

777
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: many marriages have been wrecked by that woman? So anyway, Eric,

778
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: I say, Eric, when are you going to repent? Now?

779
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: I'm not getting a decision from him. I'm not going

780
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: to lead him in a sinner's prayer because it's not biblical.

781
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: I say, Eric, when you're going to repent and put

782
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: your trust in Jesus rather than in your own goodness?

783
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: I want to bring him to a point of alarm.

784
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: I don't want him to just be awakened. It's like

785
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: a man who's lying in bed and his house is

786
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: on fire. I don't want him to just be awakened,

787
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my house is on fire.

788
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: No.

789
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: No, I want to be alarmed and run out. And

790
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: that's what I want to bring Eric from being awakened

791
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: what he has meant to being alarmed. And so I

792
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: say to him, when you're going to saist soon? I said,

793
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: that's what the devil would want you to say, because

794
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: you could die to night in your sleep. You could

795
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: have an aneurysm in your sleep, you could to have

796
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: a heart attack. A lot of people die young. Fifty

797
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: four million people die every year, fifty four million, and

798
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: a lot of young people. That widens his eyes. I'm saying, Eric,

799
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'm trying to get you to wake

800
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: up and realize today is damn salvation. Do you hear

801
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? He says, yeah, I do. Can you

802
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: see this urgency? He says, yeah? So can you hear

803
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: my tone? Why am I talking to you like this?

804
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: It's because I really do love you, and I know

805
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is true. This is a life and

806
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: death issue yours. And Eric says, yeah, I said, can

807
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: I pray for you? No sinners prayer? I just want

808
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: to pray for him.

809
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: Can can you unpack that really quickly for people? Why

810
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: you say the sinners not the sinners prayer? That is unbiblical?

811
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: What does that mean?

812
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 1: Yeah? The analogy I use and the sinner is prayer.

813
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: Let me let you know what some people think. It's

814
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: the guy that cried out, God, be merciful to me,

815
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: a sinner that Jesus spoken right now. That's not the

816
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: sinnes preer. The sinners prayer is the modern method of

817
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: getting a decision for Christ, where you have everybody close

818
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: their eyes and bow their heads. You play music to

819
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: stir with their emotions. You build your church with a

820
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: floor sloping towards the front, and then with every head

821
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: bowed and eye closed, nobody is watching, you just raise

822
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: your hand to give your heart to Jesus. Ah, I

823
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: saw that hand, and then you get everybody to stand,

824
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: and then those that raise their hands that come forward

825
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 1: with the music playing, there's no knowledge of sin, there's

826
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: no trembling, there's no fear of God, there's no preaching

827
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 1: of the law it's just there's something missing in your life.

828
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: Give your heart to Jesus. And they've got decisions. They

829
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: feel that decision cards someone prais the sinner's prayer with

830
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: them when they say, repeat after me, God forgive me.

831
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: I'm a sinner. I give my life to Jesus today.

832
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: Ah Man, that sort of thing a little bit longer

833
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: than that, that's called the.

834
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 2: Ten years later in sin. Ten years later and someone

835
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 2: says you need to know Jesus, and they go, I've

836
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: done that.

837
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: I've done that. I've done that.

838
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 2: I've done it.

839
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: I made by decision. So the analogy I use is this,

840
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: a man has committed adultery on his wife. She's willing

841
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: to take him back. So I say to him, Eric,

842
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: that's Eric again. Eric, I'll come with you. Door opens,

843
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: it's the wife and I say, this is Eric. You

844
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 1: know him. He's your husband that committed adultery. He's wanting

845
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: to come back. So he's got an apology for you.

846
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: So here we go. Eric, repeat this apology to your

847
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,959
Speaker 1: wife after me, dear wife, dear wife, I'm really sorry

848
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: for committing adultery. That's crazy. She's gonna slam the door

849
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: and say it does make sense. What are you doing?

850
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: She isn't interested in his words. She wants him to

851
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: be sincere from his heart, just say I'm so sorry

852
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: I send against you, and please forgive me. That sort

853
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: of thing. And so when we lead sinners in that

854
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,959
Speaker 1: sinner's prayer, it's ridiculous. Nathan didn't lead David in the

855
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: prayer of Psalm fifty one. It's spilt from his heart.

856
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: And so that method is filled the church with false converts.

857
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: And what they have to do is they have to

858
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: follow them up. I've got your decision cards, you know

859
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: the person, you know where they live, and so you

860
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: got knock on the door. They don't want to know you.

861
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 1: They're hiding in the closet. Most of those people don't

862
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: know what they did anyway, and that's why they lose

863
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: so many converts and follow up. It's not even biblical.

864
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: The Ethiopian eunuch was left without follow up. Philip the

865
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: evangelist left them in the desert. You say, oh, how

866
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: could he survive? All he had was God and the scriptures. No,

867
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: he is able to keep them from falling and present

868
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: them faultless before the presence of his glory of exceeding joy.

869
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: He's able to save to the uttermost them that come

870
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: to God by Him. So my knowledge that salvation has

871
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: got nothing to do with me. Salvation is the Lord God.

872
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: They're born of God. I don't want to mess it up.

873
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: And so all I'm doing is planting seed. And I

874
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: plant seed in my garden. I don't make it grow.

875
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: I plant seed and sometimes I pluck fruit, and so

876
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: I plant seed. That's all I'm doing when I share

877
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: the gospel with people's planting seed. And God gets the increase.

878
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: He that sows us nothing, that reaches nothing, but it's

879
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: God that gives the increase. So that's the biblical evangelism.

880
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 2: And then what's your what's your prayer for Eric? At

881
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 2: the end, I've I've heard this many times, but I

882
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: want I want people to hear oh as the prayer saying,

883
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: Jesus reveal yourself in dreams and visions to Eric.

884
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: No no, I say, I enter his gates with thanksgiving.

885
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: I say, Eric, le spray and let me tell you something.

886
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: This is a confession, and I don't know how to

887
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: fix it. On a YouTube channel, we find that people

888
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: write Eric took his hat off when you prayed. I

889
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: was so moved by that was brought to tears this generation.

890
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: Oh they're not as bad as I thought. What they

891
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: don't realize is that off camera' said take your hat off,

892
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: we're going to pray.

893
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: That's a good confession. I like you.

894
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so Eric takes his head off, and I

895
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: don't leave in me saying take your head off, because

896
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: we're going to pray. And so I pray. Like this

897
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: interest gates with thanksgiving, Father, thank you for Eric in

898
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: his open heart today. I pray that he will catch

899
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: a glimp of his own sinfulness and tremble at the

900
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: thought of sinning against a holy God. And yet at

901
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: the same time, may he catch a glimpse of your

902
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: love expressed in the cross that Christ died for us

903
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: while we yet sinners. I pray this day he will

904
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 1: truly repent, be genuinely sorry, be born again, be given

905
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: a new heart with new desires and a love of righteousness,

906
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: all because of your amazing grace and Jesus name me pray.

907
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: That's the essence of what I pray, and that's my

908
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: genuine hope. And prayer is very powerful. I remember once

909
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: this guy was in he said, I used to be

910
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: an annoying atheist. It's a beautiful interview. It's one of

911
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: my favorites. Very colorful guy. And we went back and

912
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: forth and he was so open. I said, can I

913
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: pray with you? He said sure, And so I prayed

914
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: when very very short prayer, and I just said in

915
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: Jesus name, Amen, and this x annoying atheist just went

916
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: whoa like that And it was nothing, And yet something happened.

917
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: In a month later, he came up to me holding

918
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: a Bible. He said, He's real. God is real. I said,

919
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: thank you so much. And it was just so neat

920
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 1: to see a little bit of fruit or something like that.

921
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: So when we pray it in the name of Jesus,

922
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: something happens in the heavenly So wow. We should never

923
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 1: demean prayer or say it's just a prayer. It's moving

924
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: the hand of God to touch the life of a sinner.

925
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 2: Ray, can I tell you a story of a true eric. Yeah,

926
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 2: this is in my church, a dear brother of mine

927
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 2: in the church. Remember with me. I said, Hey, I'm

928
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 2: going to have Ray Comfort on the show coming up.

929
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 2: Do you are you a fan of Ray? And he said,

930
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 2: am I a fan? The Lord used a Ray comfort

931
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: video to save me. Well, I said, wow, I said,

932
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 2: I said, brother, would you mind writing that a short

933
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: testimony and I'll actually read it on the show with him.

934
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 2: He said yes, So this is what he said. I said,

935
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 2: tell me the story. He said, Well, I was drunk

936
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 2: in despair over my chief idol, broken as a man,

937
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 2: at the end of myself, my marriage failing, stuck drinking

938
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: and listening to my algorithm of echo chamber conservative voices

939
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: of hope over societal rejection of policing. He's a police officer,

940
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 2: that which I held dearest, in which I found my

941
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: own self righteousness. Somehow God put religious content into the

942
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 2: mix one day while I was searching for the bottom

943
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 2: of the Internet, and when I got a glimpse of

944
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 2: my own sin, when I heard Ray share with similar

945
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: self righteous people without a view of their own depravity,

946
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: I finally understood my need for Christ and the cross.

947
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 2: Epiphany does the moment injustice I was reborn love for

948
00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: God and what he had done filled me. Says this.

949
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 2: The crazy thing is I didn't know and expect God

950
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 2: to rebuild my marriage and reorganize all our priorities. I

951
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 2: actually had accepted that God's will may include my wife

952
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 2: and I separating if we could not unify with God first.

953
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: But God was very very kind to us. So beautiful.

954
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 1: That's give me goose bumps. That's so encouraging. Well, praise

955
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: the Lord, Thank you for sharing that. Please give him

956
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: my love, and I'd like to get his address and

957
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: send something to him from the ministry after these interviews finished.

958
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: He would love that. You know. I want to end

959
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 2: too by saying that I'm a big fan of the tracks,

960
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 2: the Living Water tracks, especially the round to It. This

961
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 2: one sticks out to me. It is for everyone listening.

962
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 2: It is a circle and it says this is a

963
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 2: round to it, and in the back it says you've

964
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: pacified your conscience by saying you would get right with God,

965
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,959
Speaker 2: your creator someday when you get around to it. Well,

966
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 2: now you have one. And then the gospel's presented here.

967
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: And then surprisingly, when I traveled to different countries, I'm

968
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 2: usually surprised at which tracks gain attention, and this one

969
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 2: in particular really does. It's a oh one dollar bill

970
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: with the gospel on the back that you could find

971
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 2: at Living Waters on the website, and I have seen

972
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 2: people react in crazy ways internationally with this there was

973
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: a guy in the West Bank of Israel and he

974
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: owned a sandwich shop, and he loved this so much.

975
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 2: He put it with the gospel facing out right above

976
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: the cash register, tinned it to the wall. He thought

977
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 2: that was the neatest thing ever.

978
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 1: And he was, Oh, that's so wonderful.

979
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 2: He's a Muslim.

980
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, well, yeah, that's a good one to go

981
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: out and said, you have change for a big bill.

982
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 2: Yes, that's wonderful. I love that.

983
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: I've got a trump track that's just come out. It's

984
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: a we car, a patriotic tract, and an Elon Musk

985
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: million dollar bill. And for people who may be concerned

986
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: that we're getting political, we had an oboma a million

987
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: dollar bill some years ago. Sure, so we can head

988
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: it down the middle. Paul became all things to all men.

989
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: He quoted ungodly Greek poets in Athens as a springboard

990
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: for the Gospel, and we similarly do the same thing.

991
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Well, brother, thank you so much for your

992
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 2: time and your wisdom. So many have learned from you

993
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 2: over the years, including myself, and thank you for your

994
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 2: clarity in the Lord's work in your life. It's been

995
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: an honor to.

996
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: Speak with you can I give our website.

997
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 2: You could give everything that we need to know.

998
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: People can listen to Hell's Best Kept Secret at the

999
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: bottom of Livingwaters dot com and True and False Conversion,

1000
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: which is the essence of the teaching that we've shared today.

1001
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of free stuff letter and the

1002
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 1: YouTube channel is Ray Comfort YouTube or Living Waters YouTube,

1003
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 1: and we really appreciate people sharing those and being equipped.

1004
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 1: That's one thing that's just thrilled me is that people

1005
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: write and say I'm now no longer intimidated by atheists

1006
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: because they can see how simple it is to talk

1007
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: to an atheist because their foolnesses of the Bible says.

1008
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: So it's encouraging to know people are being equipped by

1009
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 1: a YouTube channel.

1010
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 2: Amen, they sure are. Well, thank you, brother, thank you

1011
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 2: for your time.

1012
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, it's been a great interview.