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Speaker 1: Okay, Hi, everybody, Welcome to the Rene Stubs Tennis Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I have the one and only Andrea Pekovich with me

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Speaker 1: this week, which we I know you're all out there,

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Speaker 1: you're all excited, you're all clapping that she's finally back

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Speaker 1: because you've been working.

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Speaker 2: I doubt I doubt that people are clapping or maybe

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Speaker 2: clapping to get me out like sheme sheen sme.

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Speaker 1: God you are. Let me just say, the reason that's

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Speaker 1: come up is because you have started watching or rewatching,

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Speaker 1: because you've already done it is rewatching Game of Thrones.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there will be a lot of Game of

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Speaker 2: Thrones references today, and I apologize in advance.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to say shame, shame, shame. Anyway, So

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Speaker 1: all right, we've got a lot to get to. We

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Speaker 1: are both in New York. We have come back from

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Speaker 1: Miami where you were commentating. I was down there as well.

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Speaker 1: It's been an interesting month really, you know, Indian Wells.

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Speaker 1: We had a surprise winner, not like, oh my god, surprise,

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Speaker 1: not like someone we're going to get to in Miami

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Speaker 1: that had a great tournament, but clearly Andrev's let everybody

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Speaker 1: know she's here to stay. She's going to be a

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Speaker 1: perennial top ten player. That's the player that was very impressive.

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Speaker 1: But hit the wall. We talked about it last week.

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Speaker 1: I talked about it with Caitlin. She hit the wall.

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Speaker 1: She hit the wall. You could see it. But I've

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Speaker 1: got to give her a lot of credit. She's in

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Speaker 1: the doubles final. Will more than likely when they're actually

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Speaker 1: playing it right now, but we've got a rain delay,

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Speaker 1: so we are actually doing this prior. We're hoping to

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Speaker 1: do it after the men's final, but it looks like

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Speaker 1: it's going to rain for a while and I have

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Speaker 1: to go down to Tampa tomorrow, so that's why we're

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Speaker 1: doing it before that. But Andreva, I'm pretty impressed that

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Speaker 1: she's hung in there in doubles actually, because most people

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Speaker 1: she's been on the road for like two months.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she has. I mean I talk to Concita Martinez

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Speaker 2: in Miami and asked her what they were doing, and

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Speaker 2: she said, yeah, it's been quite tough. She had four

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Speaker 2: days at home after by and then she traveled. They

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Speaker 2: traveled to California to get acclimatized acclimatized, A climatized acclimatized

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Speaker 2: and with the time difference, So it's really an incredible

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Speaker 2: effort because you know, as you know it's for these

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Speaker 2: young players, it's not the physical strain that takes them down.

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Speaker 2: It's the emotional strain, because she can sleep eight hours

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Speaker 2: same amount of energy. But it's the emotional strain of

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Speaker 2: having these two huge wins in her career, backing up

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Speaker 2: a WTA one thousand win. That's insane. Honestly, that's insane.

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Speaker 2: It's not insane because she's obviously a talent that is

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Speaker 2: a generational.

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Speaker 1: Talent winning in the Middle East and then coming to India.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's not insane for her because I think

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Speaker 2: she just underlined and emphasized the fact that she is

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Speaker 2: a generational talent, but still from a normal who was

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Speaker 1: Cautiously so young. So if it was a Sablanca or

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Speaker 2: So even if you just compare it with even Carlos

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Speaker 2: and he's Carlos al Chiraz. So that is really an

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Speaker 2: absolutely astonishing accomplishment from her. And I mean too, I

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Speaker 2: their opponents Jiang and Wu, and she was by far

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Speaker 2: at will Ken Valley. I think there is still still

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Speaker 2: She feels okay up at the net. But I think

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Speaker 2: what makes her so difficult to beat right now is

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Speaker 2: she is, to me, probably the player that can change

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it just so seamlessly. I think that's actually

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Speaker 2: and he's doing it well now in Miami. But but yeah,

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Speaker 1: So it will, and you know, I will say it

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Speaker 1: particularly for young players to absolutely play singles and doubles.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt that it makes you a better, whole,

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Speaker 1: to hit lob sometimes that when you don't want to it.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, you have to hit volleys from time

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Speaker 1: there's little nuances about doubles that can really absolutely help

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Speaker 2: Guy, and she had that. How many times did she

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Speaker 2: she particularly in Indian wells where the court was so slow,

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Speaker 2: how many points did she bail herself out of travel

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Speaker 2: but just hitting the ball straight up in the air

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Speaker 2: can do as opponent. You just have to put it

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Speaker 2: that was Andy Murray, remember his defensive lops that just

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Speaker 1: she could hit a lob, a defensive running lob, and literally,

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Speaker 1: she does unbelievably well. I think that's one of the

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Speaker 2: grasp But she lost early, actually, so let's not maybe

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Speaker 2: plenty in the next ten years. But Arena Sabalenka once

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm just joking. Obviously I'm being a bit

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Speaker 2: well on the women's In some regards Rebeccna losing in

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Speaker 2: personal anecdote. If at a Grand Slam tournament you play

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Speaker 2: But still there will be somebody and you will agree

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Speaker 2: you will be like, yeah, it's true, it is better

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Speaker 2: because that's when she will excel, be full of confidence,

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Speaker 2: when you think now she's regained her confidence, is where

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Speaker 2: people she's lost to this year, and it's all people

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she didn't know how much that affected her.

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Speaker 2: Right exactly, And you don't know she was so close

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Speaker 2: to winning that Zabalenko was not play as well as

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Speaker 2: she's playing now again at the Austrian Open, Struggling with

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Speaker 2: her surf, she lost to osta Penko in Doha, a

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Speaker 1: It's clearly her that is unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's clearly you know, we all have that

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Speaker 2: one player that just you don't seem to have all

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Speaker 2: be on clay. No, she is all five.

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Speaker 1: No, but I'm saying it's ostapenko've beaten her in Clay.

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Speaker 2: don't know, maybe, but she's oh and five?

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Speaker 1: How much do you It's really interesting to think about.

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Speaker 2: Then she loses to Andreva in Dubai. At that time,

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Speaker 2: it was shocking and I'm putting quotes, which is tough

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Speaker 2: then she loses again to Andreava and India Wells. So

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Speaker 1: free points on her serf and it would be more

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Speaker 1: it would be less predictable, particularly the second serve, but

431
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Speaker 1: also it would become more of a weapon, and I

432
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Speaker 1: think that it hurts it. This is why she does

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Speaker 1: well on clay because the serve doesn't really hurt her

434
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Speaker 1: that much. And the kickserve is quite good on clay

435
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Speaker 1: because it bounces even higher. So all of those things

436
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Speaker 1: are true. But on hard court, when you do play

437
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Speaker 1: a Madison Keys, or a sabal Ancor or a Rebekina

438
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,399
Speaker 1: at her best, all these players, if you lose serve,

439
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,800
Speaker 1: you are losing the match because they are not going

440
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Speaker 1: to lose their serve that much. You are not going

441
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Speaker 1: to break their serve as much. Right, So if she

442
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Speaker 1: wants to improve on hard court or on a faster court,

443
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Speaker 1: she has to and must improve her serve. That's just

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Speaker 1: how I feel. One hundred and twelve miles an hour

445
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Speaker 1: is not good enough for her.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I just I know, but okay, but

447
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Speaker 2: I think you're being unfair because it's now a moment

448
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 2: in time in Miami where she hasn't been serving so

449
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Speaker 2: well in the and wells, everyone serves differently because the

450
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Speaker 2: court is so slow. If you look back at the

451
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Speaker 2: Australian Open, she got broken once against Madison Keys and

452
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Speaker 2: that match she lost once. That's amazing. Yeah, I could

453
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Speaker 2: sign to get broken toe. It was the best match

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Speaker 2: I saw her play. I've seen her play, but she

455
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Speaker 2: was serving like this the entire Austrian I called every

456
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Speaker 2: single match of hers a United Cup, and I called

457
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Speaker 2: four of her matches at the Australian Open. She was

458
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Speaker 2: rarely getting broken. So this is a moment in time.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if she's changed something between the

460
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Speaker 2: Australian Open and now, or the Middle East and now,

461
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Speaker 2: if it's because whatever it is, if they are because

462
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Speaker 2: remember what Wiinfi said said in January. He said that

463
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Speaker 2: it's a stepping stone because she remember last year she

464
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Speaker 2: put her it was even more this combumbulated. She would

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Speaker 2: take her arms straight up and then throw the toss

466
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Speaker 2: the ball up. Now she has like an in between,

467
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Speaker 2: and he said it's a stepping stone. He wants it

468
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Speaker 2: to be one fluid motion at one point, so maybe

469
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Speaker 2: they continued working on it and now it's this year

470
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Speaker 2: in between where she's not at the Australian Open. Motion

471
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Speaker 2: but not yet quite at the final vision motion and

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Speaker 2: she's she's lost the rhythm on it. I don't know,

473
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Speaker 2: we don't know. We're speculating, but obviously something was up

474
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Speaker 2: with the surf. I agree, But I just think it's

475
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Speaker 2: a little unfair to put the whole surf in question

476
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Speaker 2: when she was serving so well all Australian summer. It

477
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Speaker 2: can it's not a bad shot if you're doing it

478
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Speaker 2: so well for a month and then now it happened

479
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Speaker 2: to do it not as well.

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Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, well I guess time will tell, you know,

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Speaker 1: But I just think this is just my personal opinion.

482
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Speaker 1: I think that it's a shot that needs to improve

483
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Speaker 1: for her, particularly on a faster court, if she wants

484
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Speaker 1: to get free points.

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Speaker 2: And that's what she thinks too. That's why she's been

486
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Speaker 2: changing her motion so much. Because you don't do that

487
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Speaker 2: if you think, oh I have a great serf, now

488
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Speaker 2: I'm going to change all the techniques. Yeah, because you

489
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Speaker 2: do that because she probably feels the same way, like

490
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Speaker 2: she wants to have more free points.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of, and we don't need to get into it

492
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Speaker 1: a lot, but you know, Cocoa Golf also just disappointing

493
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Speaker 1: month for her in Indian wells in.

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Speaker 2: Her life, like did you see her service motion live?

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Speaker 1: I just saw it on video, so I no, I

496
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Speaker 1: didn't see her because it's.

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Speaker 2: Different when you see a serf live. I've I've never

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Speaker 2: noticed because I watched so much tennis on TV, and

499
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Speaker 2: then once I started well, I noticed it when I

500
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Speaker 2: started doing a lot of court side for Tennis Australia.

501
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 2: They like to have me court side. I noticed how

502
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Speaker 2: much more you see, especially on the service technique, when

503
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Speaker 2: you're on the court next to them right. Even if

504
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Speaker 2: you see most of it on TV and with all

505
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Speaker 2: the camera angles, it's still different because you get a

506
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Speaker 2: sense of when they let the ball go on the toss,

507
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 2: you get the sense, oh, when they are nervous, it

508
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Speaker 2: goes a little bit of the front to the right.

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Speaker 2: So that's why I was asking whether you had seen

510
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Speaker 2: her life, because I do think when you see it times.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I didn't see that she served. For

512
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Speaker 2: those who haven't maybe followed her, she served twelve double

513
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Speaker 2: falls in her straight sets loss against Magdalinette.

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Speaker 1: I mean for me again, you know, with with Eager,

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Speaker 1: I feel like she doesn't use her flight enough on

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Speaker 1: the serve. I think she gets way too front on,

517
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Speaker 1: and I think that's one of the reasons why she

518
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Speaker 1: doesn't serve with the same consistency as some other players

519
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 1: with the first serve and particularly with the second serve.

520
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Speaker 1: But you know that's look, I could go into technique

521
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Speaker 1: all day, you know what I'm like, But for me

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Speaker 1: with Coco, you know, just the ball toss is just

523
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Speaker 1: all over the shop. She doesn't get behind her enough.

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Speaker 1: I just her grip is wrong. I think her elbow

525
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Speaker 1: gets super low and sort of so close to a body,

526
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: the left arm jops down. There's so many little technical

527
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Speaker 1: things that are going to be a problem for her

528
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Speaker 1: going forward forever, because it doesn't just just go away.

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Speaker 1: You know, Billy Jinking always said bad technique breaks down

530
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Speaker 1: under pressure, and that is unfortunately going to be a

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Speaker 1: problem for her forever unless she addresses that again, because

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Speaker 1: you cannot be serving eleven twelve thirteen fourteen double faulter match.

533
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Speaker 1: I mean it's just unheard of. And so you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we love Coco, we talk about her all

535
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Speaker 1: the time. I'm sure on Clay she can get away

536
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Speaker 1: with a little bit more. She doesn't need to go

537
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Speaker 1: for the big bomb on the first serve because her.

538
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Speaker 1: Her ability on the baseline is so good. So we'll see,

539
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Speaker 1: because clay is a good for me. I think if

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Speaker 1: she's gonna win another Grand Slam, it would be on

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Speaker 1: clay so or obviously on a hardcourt again. But we'll see.

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Speaker 1: We always we always pull for.

543
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Speaker 2: But we actually started talking about how Saberlenka is saving

544
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Speaker 2: the tennis and that we just want to thank her

545
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Speaker 2: for saving tennis. And we'll let me talk about her.

546
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Speaker 1: Because I mean, look, she is the only player that

547
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Speaker 1: did well in both weeks, right, everyone else poo pooed out?

548
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: All the guys lost in the first round that made

549
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Speaker 1: the semis.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all for that's really interesting what you just pointed

551
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 2: out all four semi finalists of Indian and Wells lost

552
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Speaker 2: in their first match, which they are seated, so they

553
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Speaker 2: get a first round by and they lost in their

554
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Speaker 2: first match. My question to you the different conditions of

555
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Speaker 2: the Sunshine Double. Yeah, are they two different?

556
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Speaker 1: They're very, very different.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's fair to the play? I mean,

558
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Speaker 2: no part of last week. Okay, I said last week.

559
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Speaker 1: Clearly you didn't listen to the podcast, But I said,

560
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Speaker 1: I hate back to back one thousands. I don't think

561
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Speaker 1: we should have them. I don't think we should have

562
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati and the Canadian you know up in Canada back

563
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: to back. I don't think we should have Indian Wales

564
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: and Miami back to back. Let's spread them out through

565
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Speaker 1: the year a little bit more. Stop being so condensed,

566
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Speaker 1: because as you know, those ten day events back to back,

567
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Speaker 1: it's a lot. It's a lot.

568
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 2: And now we have more of them.

569
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Speaker 1: And you've got more of them, so and you know,

570
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Speaker 1: this is why the PTPA needs to pull its finger

571
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Speaker 1: out and go after not only the grand that need

572
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Speaker 1: to also go after the Grand Slams because that's where

573
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Speaker 1: the most of the money is. Grand Slams and these

574
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Speaker 1: WTA and at B one thousands. But going from Florida,

575
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Speaker 1: going from Indian Wold conditions where it is a desert

576
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Speaker 1: Wilson balls, totally different atmosphere to go to Miami where

577
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Speaker 1: it's heavy and it's humid and you're using Dunlop balls

578
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: which are like bricks, and you're playing human conditions, and

579
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Speaker 1: the course much faster.

580
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 2: It was a lot fast. Especially supposedly the Grand Stand

581
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Speaker 2: compared to stadium court was by faster by a mile.

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Speaker 2: A few players who had played on Grand stand and

583
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Speaker 2: came on stadium. We're like, oh, this is easy.

584
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Speaker 1: So our point in saying this is Arena Saboleanka don't

585
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Speaker 1: give a fuck.

586
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, maybe she goes on hardcore that's so amazing.

587
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: Well, I think because she just has that attitude of

588
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: I don't care how different it is. I am going

589
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: to play my way and that's it. Yeah, I mean.

590
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Speaker 2: I think it is fair to say that it's more

591
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 2: astonishing that she made the Indian Welles Final than the

592
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: Miami because Miami proved her so much more. She got

593
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: so much her best. She has a lot. Oh it

594
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: looked like it stopped raining. Well, take a look around.

595
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: We are just watching.

596
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: We are literally watching the tennis life.

597
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: We're watching the tennis life. And the court is very wet,

598
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: but we can't tell if it's still raining. The sky

599
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 2: looks a little bit lighter. But that's the thing with Arena.

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00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: She's very good in many things, but her best thing

601
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Speaker 2: in her game is her shot plus one return plus

602
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: one surf plus one. When she gets per set ten

603
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: to fifteen three points like this where she just goes

604
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 2: like cut a book, cut a book. Whether that's with

605
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 2: the return, I'm.

606
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Speaker 1: Sorry all of the people that are listening to this

607
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: and you just melted your brains with your EarPods in

608
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: or air pods or whatever, and when what the hell was?

609
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 2: But that's how it feels. But that's how did I

610
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 2: want the people, the listeners to feel, like to feel

611
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 2: how I felt playing Arena Sabalbenka. That's how it feels

612
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: like cuta book. And when she has that, when she

613
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: has these ten to fifteen points per set that she

614
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: just wins by shot plus one, she's virtually unbeatable unless

615
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: somebody like mir Andreva manages to somehow extend the rallies,

616
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: or Ego and Clay somehow manages to extend the rallies,

617
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: or in my Manny Keys in Australia does the same

618
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: out hit her or was doing the same thing maybe

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Speaker 2: just a little bit better when it counted.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so a question for you. And I got asked

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Speaker 1: this the other day by my friend Jen. She texted

622
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Speaker 1: me and said, okay, Renee Peak, does Peak Arena Sablenca

623
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Speaker 1: beat Peak Serena Williams? And I said no, And I

624
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: was very adamant about it. And the reason I say

625
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: that is because sometimes with Arena the server is a

626
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: little unpredictable, right. She also does give you some random

627
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: free points where it's just like it's kind of an

628
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: easy forehand and she misses it, and it's just like, well,

629
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Speaker 1: thanks for that, and then she comes up with like

630
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Speaker 1: ten that are outstanding. But Serena at her peak, when

631
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: we're talking at peak, we're not talking about oh, you know,

632
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: on any given day at their peak, Serena was serving

633
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Speaker 1: you off the motherfucking court. You were getting aced twice

634
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: a game, without question. I mean, I played a lot

635
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: of times in doubles, and there was one particular time

636
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: it was three all in the third at Wimbledon, caught one.

637
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: I was a defending doubles champion. I was playing with

638
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Speaker 1: Corina Morariu against Venus and Serena. Serena, it's three all

639
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: in the third. It is unbelievable atmosphere, Like you know,

640
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: Wimbledon doubles sometimes the atmosphere there is just awesome. Right,

641
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: And of course playing the Williams sisters, we're going to

642
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: have a packed crowd and we are. This is such

643
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: a fun match.

644
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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: The crowd is so loud. Petco. There was not a

646
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: seat available in this house. It was like eight thirty

647
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: nine o'clock at night, you know, and the sun's going down,

648
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: there's lights disappearing. You're like, do we finish this match?

649
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: And at three, literally at three to two, we're up

650
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: three two, and they had to Serena had to serve,

651
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: and the training of the WTA supervisor came out in

652
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: the court and they said, I said, I can't, we

653
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: can't see anymore and it was getting really dark, and

654
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: she goes, you have to play one more game. Because

655
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: they try and stop on an even right, they never

656
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: try and stop with somebody leading, which is is fair.

657
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, and I'll never forget. When we

658
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: got up from the chair, the crowd went bonkers because

659
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: they were like, no, please, don't stop, you know. And

660
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: so when we stood up, they were like yeah, and

661
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: they were screaming, and Karina and I were trying to

662
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: talk of each other. We had to scream to one

663
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: another to like get our point close to each other

664
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: because it was so loud. We get up Love forty,

665
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: Love forty, and we're like, motherfucker, we're gonna come on.

666
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: We're gonna be about four to two and then we

667
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: get to come back tomorrow and hopefully serve it out.

668
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: Oh no, ace out, white ace down the tee, another

669
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: virtually unplayable serve back to juice. In like three seconds,

670
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: she just went bang bang bang, and then probably aced

671
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:24,959
Speaker 1: one more time and they won the game three. Oh

672
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: fucking good night, And we came back and lost six

673
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: to three in the third. It's like Serena could do that. Yeah,

674
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: you name a player that can do that well on

675
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: the consistency that they stepped to the line. And all

676
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: you're thinking is, don't seek.

677
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: Inside on this because I played peak Serena and I

678
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: played peak Arena both and so I will give an answer,

679
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: but first I have to say to those who are

680
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: watching asking why didn't they just turn on the lights?

681
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: Renee played in the seventies Happy Birthday.

682
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: So it was actually a couple of years before they

683
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: put the roof on Court one, and if we would

684
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: have It's funny you say that because the first year

685
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: that they did have the roof was my last Wimbledon

686
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: final against Venus and Serena, and they said, if it

687
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: goes three sets, we're going to close the roof, and

688
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: we lost seven six, seveny five because it was so late. Yeah,

689
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: So I fuck you.

690
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: I was just but that is true, and that was

691
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: that was a really nice So yeah, it's it's going

692
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: to come down to the same I played, And by

693
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: peek Arena, I mean I obviously didn't play her when

694
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: she had been or when she was already a Grand

695
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: Slam champion, but I played her on one of the

696
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: best days she's ever had. I lost one and one.

697
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: I was playing well, you know, I lost one on one.

698
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: I was playing well, and I lost to Serena. I

699
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: played Serena many times, but I lost to Serena in

700
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: that year when she was going for the Grand Slam,

701
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: when she had one Aussie, French and Wimbledon and was going.

702
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: She then ended up losing to Rebetta Vinci. But I

703
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: played her in that year, so that was arguably peak

704
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: Serena for the time when I played. She had many

705
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: peaks in her life. And the reason I will go

706
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: with Serena is she had and that's something that so

707
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: misunderstood about her game. She had a lot of variety

708
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: people thought, and the Service the perfect example for that.

709
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: People thought she overpowered everybody. No, nom Osaka overpowered everybody.

710
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: Saballenka can overpower everybody. Serena what she did, and I

711
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: will never forget this. In that match I lost two

712
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: and two, and again in the same match I played well,

713
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: I had no chance. And what Serena did. She started

714
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: the match serving only the slider out wide on Duce court. Yeah,

715
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: three four times in a row. Right, I'm standing five

716
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: meters behind the baseline because I'm expecting the seven thousand

717
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: miles per hour serve. No, she just places it up

718
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: because she sees where I'm standing. She's smart, you know,

719
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: she sees me. And then after three four times getting

720
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: a's there or like unreturnable, I go like, oh, bet

721
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: a cover today, I bet a cover debt, So I

722
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: back forward. I go forward. I got Coulos into the

723
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: line and she goes boom, boom, two big teas and

724
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: then another one down. My body almost kills me. It

725
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: could have been over too all because she almost killed me.

726
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: And then when I had to back up again, she

727
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: started against Yeah. She understood the game like nobody else

728
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: that I played. She was the smartest player. She didn't

729
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 2: overpower you. She hit a little angle out and then

730
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: she crushed the ball and you didn't know what to do.

731
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 2: You never knew where to stand because she could hit

732
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: the big one and she could hit the small one.

733
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: That's why I will go with Serena against Arena. You

734
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: asked me the question before we went on air, and

735
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: actually my instinct, I said, the only player I think

736
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: could have beaten her peak. I still would if I

737
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: had to bet, I would always put my one hundred

738
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: dollars on Serena. But I do think on a random

739
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: day Steffie Graff could have beaten her just because of

740
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 2: the slice. And you had matches to Arena, yes, where

741
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: Serena would be bothered by a disruption of rhythm. However,

742
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 2: because she lost to Vinci that year.

743
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that was like she never liked the slice.

744
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: That's why Sam had a decent record against rain.

745
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, three was budget STEFFI well.

746
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: Very budget Steffie, and only Serena one time. It was

747
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: actually the first time she ever got more than four

748
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: games in a set. Yeah, was that particular match she

749
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: played her the week before? I will say Serena was

750
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: getting Tireder New York lost.

751
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: That match for Serena. I had never seen a city,

752
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: a country so up in a frenzy about Serena winning

753
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 2: the Grand Slam. And I remember she was on buses,

754
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: she was on metro stations, she was everywhere. Times Square

755
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 2: only Serena Nike ads everything, And I remember thinking, I

756
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: know it's Serena, She's the toughest player I know, but

757
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: even she must be bothered by this. This is insanity.

758
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: Don't give you another little story on that. So I

759
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: was covering the Canadian Open that year because ESPN covered

760
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: that tournament at the time, and I was courtside for

761
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: most of the matches and Serena, I was you know,

762
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: there's different locker rooms there that and I think it

763
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: was in Montreal.

764
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: She lost to Benchit in the semis or quarters.

765
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think so. But before that, she played

766
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: Robert of Vici in I believe, like the third round

767
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: quarters maybe, and we shared a locker room because all

768
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: the players are in one locker room, and there was

769
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: another locker room just for random people. And I was

770
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: using that because it was so it was just I

771
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: was so hot, and I could go in and use

772
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: the bathroom and change if I needed to and whatever.

773
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: It slate the coach's bathroom, and Serena was in there.

774
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: She didn't want to she didn't want to go into

775
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: the other locker room. She liked to sometimes randomly go

776
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: into like a locker room by herself, and so she

777
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: was in there all the time, right, So I would

778
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: see her in there all the time, and as you know,

779
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 1: we're friends, so we would chat. She ends up winning

780
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: this match against Vinci, and this was when she was

781
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: going for the Slam. As you said, you could tell

782
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: that she was getting tighter by the minute, not the day,

783
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: by the minute. You could just see her getting tighter

784
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 1: and tighter, knowing that, oh my god, I've the US

785
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: Open is two weeks away, and I'm going for a

786
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: calendar Grand Slam. And she had won the Serena Slam,

787
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: where she'd had all four of them together, just hadn't

788
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: done it in one year. She did it twice actually,

789
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: And so she plays Robert of Vinci and she wins

790
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: like four and who was something like that in the match.

791
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: But she was so effing tight in this match. I

792
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: see her after the match in the locker room and

793
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: she looks at me and she goes, that motherfucking slice.

794
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: She goes, I hate that slice. I hate what do

795
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: you do with the slice? What do you do with

796
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: that ball? So annoying? YadA YadA YadA, like, to me right,

797
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: and I was laughing so hard. I was like, well,

798
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: for me, that was no big deal because I had

799
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: a great slice, so I'd like, I'd just slice it back.

800
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: But if you don't have a great slice, you're that's

801
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: a hard shot because you've got to get below the ball,

802
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: you've got to generate your own pace, you've got to

803
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: be confident, and if you're not and you're choking, that's

804
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 1: the worst shot to hit right, especially on the forehand.

805
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: So I knew that she was already like shitting herself

806
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: going into the US Open, and then when she had

807
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: to play Roberta in the Semis, I'm like, well, this

808
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: is a nightmare, because I remember how she felt about

809
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: playing her two weeks prior. H Even though she won

810
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: the match, she looked like she was like losing, you know,

811
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: and the stress was getting to her anyway. So my

812
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: point in all of this is peak Serena beats peak Arena.

813
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree because they.

814
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: But it's the reason we say it is because you

815
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: always knew Serena at her very best, never ever fucking

816
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: lost her serve, and so the pressure on you as

817
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: a server was so intense and immense. It was off

818
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:14,479
Speaker 1: the chairs.

819
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 2: And the thing with with Arena I was I played

820
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: her when I was a bit older already, and I

821
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: had lost a lot of you know, I had to

822
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 2: lose some weight because I had this chronic knee problem,

823
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: so I wasn't at my strongest, at my most athletic.

824
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: And with Arena, because she had so much power, it

825
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: felt to me like if I wasn't behind the ball,

826
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 2: it would push me back right, So I had to

827
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: always and so I had to lose a bit of

828
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: ground because I like to play on the bassliine, but

829
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 2: with Arena, I couldn't do that because it was pushing me.

830
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 2: So I had to lose a bit of ground. And

831
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: that just then my shots were not really going through.

832
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: But I wonder when I had been at my peak

833
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: physically and I could have like withstand their power a bit.

834
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 2: You know what Mirror did to her in the Indian

835
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: Worlds final. If you can extend the rallies and get

836
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: she will get you know, she will get nervous and

837
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: heck Dick and Serena because she had as well as

838
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: the power, she had the movement, the smartness. No, I

839
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 2: want to say to i Q, it's the way she

840
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 2: used angles. She had the chord.

841
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: It didn't miss e though a lot. When she was

842
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: at her peak, she wouldn't. She knew when to just

843
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: roll the fullhand in.

844
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 2: And the tennis court opened up to her in ways.

845
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: Your boyfriend could never.

846
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: Put that on a T shirt. Just to let me

847
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: finish up on Serena. That one of the things that

848
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: when people ask me that, I said, and just go

849
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: and watch the Olympic final in London where she played Sharapova,

850
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: who was playing really well and serving really well, and

851
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 1: it was over in like five minutes. I've never seen

852
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: a more devastating two sets of tennis against a great

853
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: player in Maria sharpogeer was playing well and make her

854
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: look like she was terrible. I mean, there was one

855
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: time where Marie had to serve out wide at like

856
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifteen sixteen seventeen miles an hour, and

857
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: Serena hit it back faster than Maria could refocus her

858
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: eyes back on the court. It was just like boom

859
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: down the line. I ex said to Mary Carillo when

860
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: I was calling the match for NBC with her, and

861
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: I said, Mary, sometimes there are just no words, and

862
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: that's exactly how I felt when Serena was her absolute peak.

863
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 2: Well, when you have that match, I always I always

864
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: point people to the Ostannan Open final against Justina and I,

865
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 2: which Serena won six y four or six three in

866
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: the third. And the reason I point them to that

867
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: is because Justine was somebody who could disrupt the rhythm,

868
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: and she did, and she tried to play the short slices,

869
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: she tried to come to the net. So Serena had

870
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 2: to play a lot more variety than she usually would

871
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 2: and she showed her whole just the whole width of

872
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: her game. And yeah, but to be fair, Arena is

873
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 2: very good when she's at her Yeah, I think she

874
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: would beat a lot of top players, but Serena is

875
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: the I.

876
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: Think it would be like five and five or six

877
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: and six. Yeah, I think they hopefully they were at

878
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: their very peak. We're talking at their very very They

879
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: should hold surf. But anyway, all right, that was a

880
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: total random tangent talking about Miami.

881
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: But but just to finish about the man.

882
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: Zabal Anka was fantastic. Well done to her. We'll see

883
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: how Eager bounces back on clay. We know that she's,

884
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, the best player on clay. There's not even

885
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: a close second to her. But but it'll be interesting

886
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: you see how she backs it up, you know, and

887
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: how she can sort of let it go and move

888
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: on with the clay. So we'll see how she does.

889
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: And clearly everyone else like Mattie Keys and you know

890
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: how she's going to bounce back. So it's two random losses,

891
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I basily lose his Sabolaka is

892
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: not a massive shock, but own one, but you know

893
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: that has to sort of like rattle you a little bit.

894
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: And then to lose to Alex that was kind of

895
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: random as well. But anyway, let's talk about the guys. Obviously,

896
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: what we're seeing with speaking of plays that did not

897
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: do well in anyone else but have come back and

898
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: bounce back. Novak Djokovic in the final random finals that

899
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: he's up against. We are not going to get to

900
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: see it, unfortunately, but Mensik who took out Taylor Fritz

901
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: in the semi finals. That was a great match. Very

902
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: disappointed a little bit from Taylor, and I think, you know,

903
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: just it was a huge opportunity for him to not

904
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: only be in another huge final because he hasn't been

905
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: a lot of mustus one thousand finals, and he's got

906
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: to figure out how to do that more on a

907
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: consistent basis if he wants to win a Grand Slam,

908
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: for example. But I think the thing, and I'll say

909
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: it until I'm blue in the face, and I know

910
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: everybody thinks I yabber on about this because I was

911
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: a net player. But fucking hell, like, he needs to

912
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: get his volley game better. And it's the difference for me,

913
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 1: is the difference between Yannick Sinner and Na Carlos Alkirez,

914
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: who've managed to win most of the last two years

915
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: of Grand Slams. The improvement of those two and their

916
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: ability at the net is heads and shoulders above everybody

917
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: else except Novak Djokovic. You have to be able to

918
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: finish points at the net these days. These guys move

919
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: too well. They're also good from the back of the court,

920
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: and if you're not hitting them off the court, good luck,

921
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: because all of them run like fucking jelly, like athletes

922
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: that are crazy around the baseline. You got to finish

923
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: the point somehow. How do you do that? Taylor's got

924
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: to come in and finish balls at the net, and

925
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: he's so bad at the net. I mean, the way

926
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: he won his quarterfinal match. If just go back and

927
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: watch match point, if he had just run into the net,

928
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: he would have the easiest volley. Instead, he'd let this

929
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: ball bounce and I was like when he did it,

930
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: I was like, what are you doing? And he flicked

931
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: this like two handed back and he ended up winning

932
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: the point. I was like, oh my god. But like,

933
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: if that dude just came in like a Yanick Sinner

934
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: doesn't go to go bang with a normal volley, he

935
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: would win so much more. I don't get it.

936
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: I will say it as it is. Man's tennis is

937
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: in an existential fucking crisis.

938
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: And this is why we have you.

939
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I have to say it. It's true. Yannick

940
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 2: Sinner and Carlos A. Karaz kept a veal in front

941
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: of our eyes, making us think, is a veil a veal? Veil?

942
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: How do you say veil?

943
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: He said a veil? I was like, what is that?

944
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: A German? They kept a lamp shop in front of

945
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 2: a veil. Sorry, I'm not I'm not a.

946
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: You say veil, but you we talked about this yesterday.

947
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: You have such a hard time saying west phillage because

948
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: the war is German.

949
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: You know that's that the confuses me and then it's hard.

950
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: And the reason I say that is the moment they

951
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: are gone.

952
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: People do see that.

953
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: It's absolute carnage.

954
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: People do love when you see the vada that was

955
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: for you out there. I can't remember which person the ballot,

956
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: but they love when you say the vada.

957
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry. My visa and w's and v's are

958
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: tough for me.

959
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: And the Yeah it's Connage, it'sage.

960
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: It's Connage. Yeah, Sinners is not there. He suspended and

961
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: Alcoraz lost early, and then you just you can like

962
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: throw a dart blindfolded at a at a dartboard and

963
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 2: you see what sticks. If it wasn't for Novak. And

964
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: Novak is thirty, he's about to turn thirty eight years old.

965
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: The other guy should not have him in the final,

966
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 2: winning matches to and two. He's played like two tiebreaks

967
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: in the first two rounds, still finding his footing. Then

968
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: he couldn't lose more than three games per set. He's

969
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: thirty eight, He's had a pretty good raw dough. He

970
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 2: did have a pretty good Still, he's Novak. He's the goat.

971
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 2: He's amazing. He's the best player that's ever played this game,

972
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: huge fans, But he's thirty eight. He knows he's not

973
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: at his peak. He isn't the Novak that he was

974
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 2: when he was twenty eight, or even thirty three, or

975
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: even thirty five. But he's still better than every thing

976
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 2: that's going on right now. Yeah, that's crazy, and that's

977
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: to me not shocking, it's very normal. But I do

978
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 2: think that underneath the Sinner al Karas thing where they

979
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: had split all the major sys, but he's still young,

980
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: he's coming up, he's still young. If it hadn't been

981
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 2: for them, you would have seen that what's happening right now.

982
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 2: This is not a bad thing, not at all. We've

983
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 2: been through this in women's tennas five six years ago.

984
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: It's a change of generation. It's the new generation is

985
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: not quite as solid yet as the Novak's and the

986
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: Rogers and the Rufaware and the older generation is older.

987
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: Now.

988
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: Novak is still incredible when he's fit, but he gets injured. Now,

989
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 2: you know, at the Austraana Open, he I think he

990
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 2: would have won the Austriana.

991
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 1: Oh well, I think he would.

992
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 2: The Sinner would have been tough, but I think he

993
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: would have definitely made the final if he hadn't gotten injured.

994
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: So Novak, but he's older now, so you can't count

995
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 2: on him being healthy for two weeks at a long tournament.

996
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: It can happen, but it seems to be almost the

997
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: exception rather than the rule that he's like when he

998
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: was just three years ago, when you knew he was

999
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 2: the fifth player in the drag.

1000
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: Well now it's becoming increasingly more difficult over best of

1001
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: five sets too, yeah, which is why he was able

1002
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: to win the Olympics last year. It was best of

1003
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: three sets.

1004
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: But that's I think. I honestly think that they should

1005
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 2: that people should just as I said, it's not a

1006
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: bad thing. That people should just accept it and accept

1007
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 2: the chaos, because I remember seven years ago people were saying, like,

1008
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: oh my god, the women's tennis, anyone can win a

1009
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 2: Grand Slam. Guess what now in men's tennis, unless Janick

1010
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 2: Sinner comes back at the same prowess that he's had,

1011
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 2: or Carols Akaraz finds the consistency within him, it's going

1012
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: to be the same in men's tennis. And be prepared

1013
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 2: for it, because that's the hell of a ride. I

1014
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: loved women's tennis six seven years ago. Yeah it was crazy. Yeah,

1015
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: Osta Penkos won French Open, but it was kind of

1016
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 2: fun as well.

1017
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and who cares? Yeah, other people winning the tournament.

1018
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: And I will say this till I'm blowing the face.

1019
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: Best of three sets is not as physically as difficult,

1020
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: but there's no fucking question it's more mentally difficult because

1021
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: if you turn up and you're a little nervous and

1022
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 1: you lose that first set, you are one set away

1023
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 1: from being out at the tournament and you are shitting yourself.

1024
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: Whereas men's tennis, you can lose a set, maybe even two,

1025
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: and you can still win the match. Look how many

1026
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: times Novak's been down two sets, love and one and

1027
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: then are winning the Grand Siton, winning a major title.

1028
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: It happens all the time in men's tennis. So it's

1029
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 1: like people like you know, bang on about how difficult

1030
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: it is, and men deserve it because they played more

1031
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: and then play best of five. I would guarantee you

1032
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: that Eager Siontech would be the type of players say

1033
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: give me best of five, yes, because she.

1034
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: Sold it, and so would Arena. Arena would arguably be

1035
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 2: one of the best of it was best of five.

1036
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you have a room to fail in the

1037
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: first set. You have time to, like, you know, get

1038
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: rid of the nerves a little bit, because often it's

1039
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: the first three or four or five games that you

1040
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: like determines the first set, and if you could, if

1041
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: you're down four to one, you're out of there in

1042
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,479
Speaker 1: the first set. Whereas men's tennis, they're like, well, okay,

1043
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: I lost a set, and I'm not saying don't lose

1044
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: your get your on your nickers in a night, like

1045
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: don't be like oh Renee Stubbs thinks that men's tennis

1046
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: is easier, it's not. Physically it is more demanding, there's

1047
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Ever best of five. But to

1048
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: win a Grand Slam, when you have to win that

1049
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: first set and you're a little bit nervous, you've got

1050
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on your shoulders. Whereas men, they

1051
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: get a chance to get their way into the match.

1052
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: Now they have to physically close it out. But if

1053
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: you're good enough, this is why these guys winning straight.

1054
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: So look at Sina and Sverev at the Strain Open.

1055
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: Sin it's just superior tennis player. Ti Zverev. He just

1056
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 1: is so if it was best of three, would Verev

1057
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: feel like he has a bit more of a chance

1058
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: probably if heels like best of threes.

1059
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: Because also you see it. That's a really good point

1060
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: because if you see it, they played in Cincinnati a

1061
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 2: really tight match where it was three sets. I think

1062
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: it was seven six or seven five.

1063
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: Better place is always going to win five, right.

1064
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: But and there was a great h that was a

1065
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: great example of what you're just saying, because I think

1066
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: the first of the second set went into a tie break,

1067
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: And there's also more pressure on a tie break because

1068
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, if I lose this, it's said, well, yes,

1069
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: one year a one set down, right, So there's more

1070
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 2: pressure on a tabreak. Whereas at the Australian and they

1071
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 2: also played a tie break in the second set, but

1072
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: the onek was up by one set, and if I

1073
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 2: lose this, I still have like, yes, three more sets

1074
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 2: to go around the better player. So but I will

1075
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: say what we don't see as women. But I've worked

1076
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 2: with two coaches that used to coach on the men's tour.

1077
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 2: Why it is more demanding is not only the actual

1078
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: matches they play, but the weeks they have to practice

1079
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 2: before a best of five, and that's why Curios is

1080
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: having trouble. Ninety minutes is not enough. They have to

1081
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 2: be out there, they have to do the long sessions

1082
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 2: three and a half four hours. That's where they drain

1083
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 2: themselves of energy, not in the best of fats are

1084
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 2: the best athletes in the world. They can do best

1085
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: of five, but they have to do it weeks before

1086
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 2: to be able to sustain best of five. And that's

1087
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 2: where they really deserve I wouldn't say deserve more prize

1088
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 2: money because we're in an equal world, but that's where

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00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: they deserve more praise because they let a lot out

1090
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: there on court in the practice weeks leading up to

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Speaker 2: major tournaments.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I think you know, physically yes, Mentally

1093
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: it's questionable. It just depends. So anyway, it's difficult.

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00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: I want to emphasize that I am loving this for men.

1095
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 2: I love having Jack Draper as the Indian Welsh champion.

1096
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 2: I love Yako in the final.

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Speaker 1: You heard that he's going to win Wimbledon, right Who

1098
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: said that? I said that?

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00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 2: Oh? Really, no, I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: It was a joke. You know how the English get

1101
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: when one of their players is like doing really well.

1102
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: So as a sort of a bit of a joke.

1103
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: When he won and he of course beat Carlos Alkarez,

1104
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: who's the two time wibledon champion, I put out on Twitter.

1105
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: I said Jack Draper is going to win Wimbledon, and

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00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: you should have heard the litany and the responses I got,

1107
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: Like people really thought I was like dead serious. But

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00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 1: then part of me now is like, I'm fucking praying

1109
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 1: for Jack Draper to win wimbled so badly.

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Speaker 2: I just think he will actually have more chances on

1111
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: the hard courts or me.

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00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too. I think he's a better

1113
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: hard court player, but then again, he's won a tournament

1114
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: on grass, you know, because.

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Speaker 2: Your side here, I think, actually it could be. I

1116
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 2: don't know how he'll have the clay, right, but I

1117
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 2: don't know how he moves on clay. But if you

1118
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: can figure that out, I think he could actually pay

1119
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 2: because he has that heavy forehand. But he gets rushed,

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Speaker 2: because that was the problem against Mansig in Miami. He lost,

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Speaker 2: and I think who's the happiest about Mansig making the

1122
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 2: final is Jack draperk He's like, oh my god, I

1123
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 2: won in ya wells, then I lose first round, but

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Speaker 2: he lost to Yak of Manzig, who made it ended

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Speaker 2: up making the finals, so that was not a bad

1126
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: loss at all. But you could see him there. Mansick

1127
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: is one of the best backhand down the lines on

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Speaker 2: the men's tennis, like all check players do for some reason,

1129
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 2: and he rushed it or just backhand in general, not

1130
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 2: only down the line, across course as well, and he

1131
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 2: rushed Jack a few times into the forehand because Jack

1132
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: has this like heavy spain, he needs to get under

1133
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 2: the ball, and you could see him there a few

1134
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: times on these and they played on grand Stand, which

1135
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 2: was so freaking fast. So so yeah, that's why I

1136
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: think he will have more trouble in Wimbledon than in

1137
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 2: other places. But do I think he can win a

1138
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 2: major title? Absolutely? Yeah, I think absolutely, And that's what's

1139
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: so fun, And I just I think I want to

1140
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 2: employ people to see this as a chance of new

1141
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 2: players becoming huge stars and it's going to be fantastic.

1142
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: But I think we can assume that Novak Djokovic, the

1143
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: greatest of all time, will end up winning Miami, even

1144
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: though the match hasn't started yet.

1145
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 2: It hasn't started. I think so too. I mean, I

1146
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: said it after the Austrian opened and people were laughing

1147
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 2: at me. I said, the match he played against Carlos

1148
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 2: Alcoros was the best match I've ever seen him play.

1149
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: And I have an explanation for this. The reason I

1150
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 2: think that is he played like he always played, like

1151
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: Novak Djokovic, who changes directions, doesn't miss the ball, blah

1152
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 2: blah blah, returns incredibly, but he did it twice the pace.

1153
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 2: It was like they put the video on fast forward

1154
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: because he had injured his leg and he was going

1155
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 2: on adrenaline. But he knew I can't play with Carlos

1156
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 2: for five sets in his leg. I have to go

1157
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: for it. So he was playing and doing the same

1158
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 2: things Novak Djokovic does, but double the speed. And I

1159
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,479
Speaker 2: was shocked to see him do that at thirty seven

1160
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,720
Speaker 2: years old. So he is clearly still the best player

1161
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 2: in the world when he is healthy. Okay, Yannick, but

1162
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: Yannick is not there right now and Carlos. What do

1163
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 2: you think is up with Carlos.

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00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's very unusual. I mean, listen, he's

1165
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: always been a little bit flighty, you know, a little

1166
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: bit like deer in headlights sometimes and loses focus, and

1167
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: he could be up a set in five to three

1168
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: and thirty love and then all of a sudden, you know,

1169
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: you go to the bathroom, you come back, it's five

1170
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: all you know what happened? He just goes through these random,

1171
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: like mental like lapses and poor choices are shot and

1172
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff. And look, I think that

1173
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: that I think I've said for years that there was

1174
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: that is going to get better as he matures. But

1175
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: now I'm like, is it just him? Is he just

1176
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: like this? Does it just lose focus? Does he have ADHD?

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00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 2: You know?

1178
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,919
Speaker 1: I mean, like I don't know. He's tried to work

1179
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: on the serve as well and change that up, but

1180
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: there's certainly. I mean, I think he's so adorable though.

1181
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: The stuff he puts out on Twitter as well or

1182
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 1: on his social media is like someone wrote something about

1183
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 1: about him and then he's like, well, oh it was

1184
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: it was his profile photo on a badge or something.

1185
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: I can't remember who it was another player and he

1186
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: wrote back, well, I don't have a lot to smile

1187
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: about right now, honey. I was just like, the kid

1188
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: is so funny. I have no doubt when the French Open,

1189
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: rolls around in Wimbledon, he will be the player to

1190
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: beat alongside.

1191
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 2: The same the same thing for him, best of five.

1192
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 2: I think he just probably feels a litt bit and

1193
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 2: he probably feels I've made this point always with Carlos.

1194
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 2: Carlos needs friction. You will see him and now obviously

1195
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 2: he didn't do it, but most of the times he

1196
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: will play shite and then it's one for and all

1197
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 2: of a sudden you can see him dial in and

1198
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 2: just like zero down his focus and play five times better.

1199
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Speaker 2: He needs the friction to function. He can focus when

1200
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 2: it's three love he gets bored.

1201
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

1202
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 2: He's DHD. Yes, he's just like he's like that.

1203
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: He's like he's like a rubber ball that just pings

1204
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: around the room and you're just like, wait, stop, you

1205
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: don't need to do that. You don't need to hit

1206
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: that wall. Just come back.

1207
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I do think, I don't know.

1208
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 2: I put in my last sub stick my I have

1209
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: a news letter that comes out every Friday. If you

1210
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 2: want to subscribe, please do really what it I put

1211
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 2: it out In my last I was writing about the

1212
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 2: interesting balance of friction and looseness, and how everyone is different,

1213
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 2: like Gaile Montfis has less tension in his body to

1214
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 2: be at an ideal temperature. Ju Draper, yeah, exactly, or

1215
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 2: Jack Draper has a bit more that he needs to

1216
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 2: perform at.

1217
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: This and then Rough is on the opposite end of

1218
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: the spectrum of all of that.

1219
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 2: Yes. Well, And I was saying, I was wondering because

1220
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 2: I spoke to Juan Carlos Ferrero in Australia and he said,

1221
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 2: the one thing they really want to work on this

1222
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 2: year is consistency, and they are working so hard on it,

1223
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 2: but that's something that adds tension right into your body.

1224
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 2: And I was wondering if maybe Carlos, that's like my

1225
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: hot take. It's really super speculative, but I was wondering

1226
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 2: if the working on the consistency that naturally adds tension.

1227
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 2: But he is, by nature somebody who needs creative freedom,

1228
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 2: and he's just calibrating. You know how a needle needs

1229
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 2: to calibrate before it falls into the right place. And

1230
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: maybe that's he's calibrating this, you know, like added tension

1231
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 2: and then when he falls into place, he will probably

1232
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 2: win every single tournament until the end of days.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good thought process. So I guess we'll see.

1234
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I always talk about the bell curve whenever

1235
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: I talk about coaching, you know, like, you know, if

1236
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: you know what a bell curve is, everybody does. We

1237
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: all learn about it. The highs, the lows, blah blah blah.

1238
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: I always found that Rafael Nadal's bell curve was like

1239
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: little ripples, right, because his high was so high and

1240
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: his low was so short. Yeah, right, So it was

1241
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: like ripple. So if you imagine I'm just moving my

1242
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: hand like a little ripple. And then someone like Nick

1243
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: Curios is like his high was as high as Novak's

1244
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: or as high as Roughers, and he's low is like,

1245
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: so his bell curve is like really high, really low.

1246
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: It's like it's like and now I'm drawing mountains right,

1247
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: going all the way back down to the ocean, you know.

1248
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: And I feel like Arena Sablenka is, you know, her

1249
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: ups and downs were really high and low. Now she's

1250
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: becoming a little bit more of a ripple. Right, her

1251
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: high is very low, sometimes her low is a bit low,

1252
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: but it's less bell curve, is you know, Eager Shantek

1253
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: is a ripple on clay, right, it's the same. She

1254
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: knows how to play that. On hardcourt, it's a little

1255
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: bit up and down. But I just think the way

1256
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: to handle that and the way to do that is

1257
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: on the practice court. So if you are a type

1258
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: of player that's high and low, you've got to stop

1259
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: doing that on the practice court. You've got to like

1260
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: zone in. So maybe in his practices as well, it

1261
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: would be interesting to go watch him practice and just

1262
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: see what that's like, because for him, when you look

1263
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: at Rafael and a Dal's practice, his was a ripple, right,

1264
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: he was just one hundred percent. Never the same. Novak's

1265
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: kind of like a little bit chats and talks and

1266
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: goes over his hands, and that's how he is when

1267
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: he pray it plays. That's why he's like chatty with

1268
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: his box. I was joking last week on the podcast

1269
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: that I looked. I just thought it was hilarious when

1270
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: he looks up at his box and his physio is

1271
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: telling him how to hit a fuehand, I'm like, what

1272
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: the fuck? And there's any murrays, But I know why

1273
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: you tell everybody because we know, yeah, he needs to

1274
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: say he needs that. No, no, somebody has been the

1275
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: loudest person in the box.

1276
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 2: No, the reason why they do it is he's the

1277
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 2: only Serbian in the box and he wants to have

1278
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 2: it in Serbian. He wants to speak in Serbian. So

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Speaker 2: and he tells him what to say, and then he

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Speaker 2: says it to him in Serbian. Okay, So it's a

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Speaker 2: language thing.

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Speaker 1: So also, but the physia was showing him how to

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Speaker 1: hit it. I mean this I didn't know, but it

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Speaker 1: was showing him how to hit the forehand.

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Speaker 2: Okay, also in Australian. And asked them why, and they said,

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Speaker 2: because Novak likes to have the instructions in Serbian because

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Speaker 2: it goes quicker into his subconscious or whatever.

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Speaker 1: So I understand. But in this regard, he was actually

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Speaker 1: gesturing how to hit the shot.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he has a really good forehand. How do you know.

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Speaker 1: I've seen seen him play, Yeah, I've seen Himis.

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Speaker 2: You seen him play here? Maybe it's the best forehand

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Speaker 2: in the world.

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Speaker 1: He's not a good tennis player anyway.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, listen, I just want to say I

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Speaker 2: can already see the.

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Speaker 1: Headline.

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Speaker 2: The headline says, the Men's Center is an existential crisis.

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Speaker 2: Have the decency to tell the people there was a joke,

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Speaker 2: you little fuck. We get annoy so angry, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know what it is the reason why it makes

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Speaker 2: me so angry. I don't care what they say, but

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Speaker 2: it makes me sometimes hold back to say what I

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Speaker 2: want to say. Yeah, but I actually want because we

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Speaker 2: have to have good relationships with the players. They don't

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Speaker 2: know I was joking. You know. If they read it,

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Speaker 2: if they happen to read it, they will think Andrea

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Speaker 2: said that he's bad, or the man says And I

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Speaker 2: don't want it because I have to maybe interview.

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Speaker 1: There is a video if you go on YouTube, right

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Speaker 1: or whatever, and you know, I've put in my name

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Speaker 1: for some reason, and there is one thing that says

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Speaker 1: it's a photo of me and a photo of Novak

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Speaker 1: and it says and the headline is he's an asshole

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Speaker 1: or something something really horrible, right, and then you go

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Speaker 1: to it. I never said anything like that. I would

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Speaker 1: never say that about Novak, but no, of course not.

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Speaker 1: But it's like that's what they say, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: how is that allowed? And it's the same. It's like

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Speaker 1: this sport keta thing that listened to us, and they

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Speaker 1: take these lines out and they put it, it's just

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Speaker 1: really irresponsible.

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Speaker 2: Generally, it's irresponsib the reason because I think the players

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Speaker 2: know or differently, but there is an unspoken contract between

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Speaker 2: players and pundits. They know we are paid to criticize

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Speaker 2: them at times, but also praise them when they are

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Speaker 2: doing things well, like we praised the arena, like we

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Speaker 2: praised Yakomensk and Novak today. Right, But there's also and

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Speaker 2: there is an unspoken contract and everyone accepts it and

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Speaker 2: everyone gets along fine. But if you see things like

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Speaker 2: this where you supposedly said Novak is an asshole and

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Speaker 2: he sees that. Now it's a personal attack, of course,

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Speaker 2: and now you have fucked when you have to interview

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Speaker 2: him on court in front of ten thousand people on

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Speaker 2: atha ash, right, or the same thing with it's just

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Speaker 2: which whatever if it comes back to the player and

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Speaker 2: that's not what we said. We've spoken about an issue

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Speaker 2: for twenty minutes, dissecting what they do and how they

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Speaker 2: do it, and they just pulled that one. And they

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Speaker 2: pulled that one. That's why it's irresponsible because it's destroying

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Speaker 2: the coverage for the players and the pundits who have

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Speaker 2: to work with it. Together because we are together trying

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Speaker 2: to tell a story.

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Speaker 1: All the time. Yeah. Anyway, wells listen, it's never going

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Speaker 1: to change, but we would just want to put it

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Speaker 1: out there on our pod. So for everybody who listened

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Speaker 1: to us, thank you so much for listening to us.

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Speaker 1: We please liken subscribe.

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Speaker 2: Sense know that we're goof both.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like and subscribe. Please when you listen to the podcast,

1351
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: you know, do you a little rate it because another

1352
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: thing that people like to do is they go on

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01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: there and they give it one because they you know,

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Speaker 1: if I've said something they don't like about their player

1355
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Speaker 1: or something, these people go on there and they go

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Speaker 1: to the one star. So for all the people that

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Speaker 1: actually do like our podcasts and enjoy, please put five

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Speaker 1: stars and please subscribe because you know, that's how that's

1359
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: how we survive out here in the world. That's how

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Speaker 1: the cookie crumbs are.

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Speaker 2: You invite me for a drink, will.

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01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: We're going to go and have a drink now in

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01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: New York because that's what we do here. Petko, thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining me today. Everyone, thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for listening. Do you want to end this podcast?

1366
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 2: We're telling people how we walked out and there was

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Speaker 2: seventy seven degrees and literally three minutes later it was fifty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was quite surprising. Yesterday we were

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Speaker 1: all bitching about how hot it was in New York

1370
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: and then literally five minutes later we were freezing our

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Speaker 1: asses off. Anyway, I felt like I was back in

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Speaker 1: Melbourne all right, guys, thanks for listening to us, Petco,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining me again.

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Speaker 2: I love you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, see you guys next week.

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Speaker 2: Jees