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Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Resent Choice Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Muslims have sometimes, whether you have or not, and I

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Speaker 3: think probably you have have sometimes it seemed to me

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Speaker 3: been preaching hate to meet hate. I don't advocate any

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Speaker 3: kind of hate.

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Speaker 4: A lot of talk that sounds very much like it.

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Speaker 3: No, I think that the guilt complex of the American

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Speaker 3: white man is so profound until when you begin to

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Speaker 3: analyze the real condition of the black man in America.

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Speaker 3: Instead of the American white man eliminating the causes that

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Speaker 3: create that condition, he tries to cover it up by

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Speaker 3: accusing his accusers of teaching hate, but actually they're just

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Speaker 3: exposing him for being responsible for what exists.

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Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all, Welcome home. This is episode seventy one

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Speaker 1: of Native Land Pod. That was, of course the Good

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Speaker 1: Brother Malcolm X. He was in a conversation in an

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Speaker 1: interview with a graduate student, a sociology graduate student, Herman Blake,

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Speaker 1: and Professor John Leggett. So we got a lot to

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Speaker 1: get to today, and we want to get right into it.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to keep you waiting On our pre

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Speaker 1: production call, we were talking about what we want to

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Speaker 1: talk about today, and Angela, I think you had a

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Speaker 1: really good topic.

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you, tiv. I think what is really important

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Speaker 5: given where we are in this country right now, we're

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Speaker 5: hearing people all over the country talking about wanting to

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Speaker 5: see a fight from their elected officials, and they're like,

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Speaker 5: what is holding y'all back? We have a secret for y'all.

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Speaker 5: It's called special interest. We're going to talk a little

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Speaker 5: bit about special interest the outside role they play in

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Speaker 5: our political process. And Andrew might have a story or

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Speaker 5: two to tell himself.

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Speaker 4: Ad what you got, good friend? There are stories, There

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Speaker 4: are many. I appreciate this question because I think this

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Speaker 4: is the part of politics that is the subtext, the underspoken,

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Speaker 4: never spoken, probably never seen part that is the heavyweight

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Speaker 4: in the room, to be quite frankly, and I'll talk

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Speaker 4: to you about what it looks like at the I.

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Speaker 1: Love the idea of talking about special interests because there

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Speaker 1: are also geopolitical special interests that we're seeing play out

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Speaker 1: and have a direct impact on our domestic policy here

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Speaker 1: in America. So I definitely want to get into that.

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Speaker 1: So the whole show, we're talking about special interest and

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Speaker 1: I just want to remind folks we too have our

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Speaker 1: own special interests and we'll get into that in the

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Speaker 1: conversation too. So let's get into it. Let's kick us out.

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Speaker 1: So I think we have a question from a viewer

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Speaker 1: that can speak, can help us get into this conversation.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear from the viewer.

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Speaker 6: High Native lampod Hi, Andrew, Hi, Tiffany, Hi, Angela. I

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Speaker 6: love you guys, Thank you all so much. I just

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Speaker 6: have one question. What is the goal of Project twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty five. What are they wanting this country to look like?

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Speaker 6: I've read the book nineteen eighty four by George Orwell

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Speaker 6: and is the cistopian America? Was like, that's where they're going.

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Speaker 6: But what are we suffering through? They want us to suffer.

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Speaker 6: They want us to you know, ride this wave, but

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Speaker 6: they're firing, you know, a million federal workers. They are

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Speaker 6: pulling back regulations, they're defunding and canceling, you know, the education.

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Speaker 6: And it's like, what is this country supposed to look

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Speaker 6: like when you're all done? And said, you know, the

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Speaker 6: rich get richer and the poor get poor, But like,

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Speaker 6: what is this world? What are we supposed to look like,

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Speaker 6: what are we supposed to do? But thank you all

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Speaker 6: for all that you do. Love you bye.

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Speaker 1: I love that. Make fiction again. That is the mantra. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: that's so many of us. Yeah, yeah, it is. It's

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Speaker 1: really it's it's scary to see what happened. And I

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Speaker 1: love this question speaking of special interest because I think

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Speaker 1: that is the special interest that had such a huge

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Speaker 1: impact on the campaign is having a huge impact on

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Speaker 1: the country. I got to say to me, the goal

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Speaker 1: of Project twenty twenty five is Black folks. I think

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Speaker 1: we are at the center of all of this policy,

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Speaker 1: of all of this hatred.

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Speaker 5: It is.

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Speaker 1: A concentrated effort.

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Speaker 5: I was like, wait a minute, what, it's.

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Speaker 1: A concentrated effort to oppress and suppress. Yes, And it

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Speaker 1: is making me revisit the entire conversation that can we

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Speaker 1: even coexist here? I was recently having this conversation about

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Speaker 1: you know, when President Abraham Lincoln said we like we

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Speaker 1: So let's give them some money and ship them out

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Speaker 1: of America. And you look at us hundreds of years later,

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Speaker 1: and I do I think it is always it's been

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Speaker 1: a bitter battle in this country because we are the

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Speaker 1: keepers of America's memory, and so this anti black discrimination

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Speaker 1: has a wide impact and cast a dark shadow across

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Speaker 1: so many areas of our politics. And they were able

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Speaker 1: to convince other people to hate black folks too. And

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Speaker 1: there were certain people who are now considered white, but

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Speaker 1: they didn't have white folk. The Italians weren't considered white

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Speaker 1: for a while, and then they got white privilege. And

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Speaker 1: to hop one hat and black folks. So I think

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Speaker 1: we are at the center of all of this discord,

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Speaker 1: to be honest with you.

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Speaker 5: You know, when I heard this question, one, thank you

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Speaker 5: for the brilliant question. We do love you too. We

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Speaker 5: started the show with Malcolm X, you know, a prophet

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Speaker 5: in his own time, talking about that they will change

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Speaker 5: the what is happening to say that the people who

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Speaker 5: are the recorders and documentaris of accurate history are not ahistorical,

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Speaker 5: are not real vision is his history. Tellers will be

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Speaker 5: made to seem like they are the actual haters. And

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Speaker 5: I think that accountability is not hate, even though it's uncomfortable.

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Speaker 5: And you know, when I think about the question, because

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Speaker 5: we did a whole podcast on Project twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 5: what is it? What is its origins? Thank you to

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Speaker 5: all of you who've watched it. It's one of our

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Speaker 5: biggest shows. Please visit it again, Please visit it especially

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Speaker 5: for the underpinnings of Project twenty twenty five to the

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Speaker 5: point of the question. But I think the fundamental question

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Speaker 5: here is what do they want the country to look like?

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Speaker 5: You know what does the country they imagine include us?

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Speaker 5: Does it include brown people, does it include the actual

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Speaker 5: founders of this space, people from Indian country? Or does

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Speaker 5: it exclude everyone because they think white is right? You know,

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Speaker 5: do they think that make America great again? I remember

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Speaker 5: they did this poll around the twenty sixteen election about

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Speaker 5: what was the era? Right then? You want to get

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Speaker 5: and these my mothers went into the fifties. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 5: they went to the pre civil rights era. And what

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Speaker 5: I got to tell you guys, and I don't want

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Speaker 5: we almost in nineteen fifty. Right now, in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 5: it feels like they rolled back all of these rights.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to say his name, but I had

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Speaker 5: a really interesting conversation with a thought leader among us

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Speaker 5: right now who said, you know what I think we

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Speaker 5: have to pay attention to is we spent all this

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Speaker 5: time focusing on civil rights advancements, our voting rights, affordable housing,

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Speaker 5: fair housing, access, equal opportunity, and employment and education. And

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Speaker 5: they were able to roll that back in less than

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Speaker 5: two months. So if we were to examine where we

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Speaker 5: put our focus to the same point that Congressman wrangel

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Speaker 5: raised upon his retirement from Congress and a CBC meeting,

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Speaker 5: he said, have we spent too much time focusing on

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Speaker 5: reason they are able to advance in these ways at

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Speaker 5: our expense is because they can afford it.

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Speaker 1: Andrew I Angela raised a really good questions, your thoughts,

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Speaker 1: have we spent too much time advancing social policy and

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Speaker 1: not economic That was mister Rangles, That's.

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Speaker 5: What he was. It was a conundrum you could see

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Speaker 5: the pain on his face. Like and mister Rangel and

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Speaker 5: I didn't agree on every single thing, but he's a

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Speaker 5: CBC founder. He was a part of the group that

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Speaker 5: sent the sixty one recommendations to Richard Nixon. Most of them,

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Speaker 5: not all of them, but most of them focus on

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Speaker 5: social policy. Even the way that we approached housing access

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Speaker 5: giving us the resources to afford to be where they

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Speaker 4: It's because it didn't matter how much, but it didn't

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Speaker 5: But that's the thing, and right now it doesn't matter

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Speaker 5: how much because they are able to lock us out

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Speaker 5: all of all of all of our progress. And it's

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Speaker 5: a damn shame. You know. I'm not and that's gonna say.

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Speaker 5: I'm not trying to disrespect our forebeers, but I do

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Speaker 5: think we got to wrestle with this because as we

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Speaker 5: it means to persist, resist and oppose, what is the

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I don't. I want to hear

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Speaker 1: from you, Andrew. I just as I talked to you,

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Speaker 1: I want to say we did that. So we when

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Speaker 1: And so there is something in the right that was

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Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't know that it can

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Speaker 1: for both, or does this even system of capitalism ever

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Speaker 4: I mean, I so do respect to the Congressman. I

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Speaker 4: actually don't believe that the fight has been social exclusive.

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Speaker 4: I actually think the values that brought us to the

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Speaker 4: we can compete, but compete for what, to compete for jobs,

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Speaker 4: to compete for schools that would educate our children and

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Speaker 4: We fought for fair housing so that when folks went

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Speaker 4: So I actually, I actually believe that while our fight

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Speaker 4: has been informed by our consciousness around fairness and ending discrimination,

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Speaker 4: it has all been toward the end goal of being

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Speaker 4: Yeah, y'all will continue the conversation about special interests. Stay

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Speaker 5: I'm waited. I'm like call them out. You should. You

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Speaker 5: So this is the point when when you know that

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Speaker 5: know that you can spend your way to victory, that

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Speaker 5: is an imbalance in democratic power that has to be

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Speaker 5: shifted and is why people wanted to shut this down

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Speaker 5: with the Citizens United case and why it was so

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Speaker 5: dangerous to say we're going to treat corporations as individuals. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's my ted talk and I didn't mean fred to

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Speaker 5: be that long.

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Speaker 4: Well, let me let me I appreciate that, Angela. I

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Speaker 4: do think it's important for people to know follow the money,

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Speaker 4: you bollow the money. The truth is is that the

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Speaker 4: money oftentimes of many of these issues, it creates strange bedfellows.

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Speaker 4: You just mentioned going back to work and who might

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Speaker 4: be a benefic benefactor of that. Yes, the companies that

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Speaker 4: own the buildings that leases the space to the government

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Speaker 4: as an entity, so long as the government has a

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Speaker 4: policy that their workers have to be in that actual

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Speaker 4: edifice to still be employed by the government that is

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Speaker 4: good for, that is good for. How do you say,

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Speaker 4: I don't know the landlord, but guess who's also good for?

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Speaker 4: It's good for Muriel Bowser, the mayor of Washington d C.

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Speaker 4: Rial you may find them in joint community. I apologize

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Speaker 4: Mayor Bowser and who else might be in common cause

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Speaker 4: with Mayor Bowser and Blackstone on this? How about the

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Speaker 4: retail Association in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 5: And retail side Andrew because they were trying to cut

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Speaker 5: her budget maurial billion dollars.

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Speaker 4: Muryo Bowser was in support. I'm speaking specifically about the

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Speaker 4: return to work policy, specifically about going back to work. No,

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Speaker 4: but I just wanted I wanted to break it down

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Speaker 4: in a for for listeners to understand that the issue

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Speaker 4: can create very interesting bedfellows. Now, would would Mayor Bowser

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Speaker 4: be in favor of passing this CR as they exempted

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Speaker 4: left out funding for Washington d C. Absolutely not right.

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Speaker 4: So she's not gonna be in common calls with them

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Speaker 4: on that. But but but but but they may find

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Speaker 4: common calls on an issue like this. The other thing

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Speaker 4: is side note, which is Emily's list, which was mentioned

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Speaker 4: a number of times by Angela as related to a

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Speaker 4: number of the women, I think exclusively the women members

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Speaker 4: of the Senate who were part of that ten. Well,

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Speaker 4: Emily's List doesn't tell the full story because Emily's List

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Speaker 4: basically takes money from anyone Andrew and so an individual

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Speaker 4: donor who might be just interested in in in Senator Shaheen,

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Speaker 4: but they don't want their names or their company's name

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Speaker 4: to appear as a supporter of hers. They say, oh,

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Speaker 4: I'll give the money to Emily's List, and what Emily's

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Speaker 4: List will do is then rewrite that money through its

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Speaker 4: own ways. I don't want to suggest an illegality here,

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Speaker 4: but essentially the name Emilies, this does not tell the

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Speaker 4: full story of where the money came from, whether or

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Speaker 4: not the candidate or the elected official knows where that

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Speaker 4: money came from. It's a more diluted picture. But this

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Speaker 4: is the big I think this is a big piece

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Speaker 4: that must be owned here, and that is that we

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Speaker 4: have a lot of our elected officials, both Democrats and Republicans,

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Speaker 4: to almost whole sale allow non disclosed money from corporations

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Speaker 4: to completely infuse itself into politics and their positions. And

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Speaker 4: I gotta say the nineteen nineties, the early nineteen nineties

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Speaker 4: in the Democratic associations that were outside of the party,

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Speaker 4: and then it became inside the party that existed. We're

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Speaker 4: largely in outreach and extension to the corporate arm of America.

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Speaker 4: It basically said, we'll bring you after so you can

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Speaker 4: produce cheaper products and sell them at higher prices, increasing

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Speaker 4: the profit margins of your companies. And what we'll do

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Speaker 4: is we'll we'll pass policies that is sympathetic and favorable

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Speaker 4: to you. And what happened in that collision, whereas their

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Speaker 4: business community used to be wholesale for Republicans because Democrats

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Speaker 4: didn't fight for them, so they said, became advocates for

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Speaker 4: both sides. It didn't matter to them Democrats or Republicans,

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Speaker 4: the business community by and large in the early nineteen

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Speaker 4: nineties made the conversion. And so as a result of it,

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Speaker 4: the people have been on one side of many of

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Speaker 4: these issues, and Democrats and Republicans have largely been together

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Speaker 4: on the opposite side of those issues. So free trade, yeah,

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Speaker 4: they yelling and screaming about it today, But people lost lives,

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Speaker 4: they lost businesses, they lost homes, communities lost populations, schools, children, children,

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Speaker 4: and you had wholesale communities experiencing depopulation. Well in American

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Speaker 4: jobs no longer around. So I'm just saying this problem.

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Speaker 4: Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, and you're probably

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Speaker 4: if you're a Republican, you may not be listening to

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Speaker 4: the sound of my voice was just fine. But I

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Speaker 4: just want to exclamation mark what doctor King tried to see,

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Speaker 4: tried for all of us to see, which is that

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Speaker 4: black folks, brown folks, and yes, working class white people

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Speaker 4: are in common cause with each other. But this is

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Speaker 4: economic issues.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is kind of a different question, but I

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Speaker 1: everything you guys are saying it keeps leading me back

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Speaker 1: to this question of can any system of capitalism serve us?

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Speaker 1: And I asked the question because Verdon Perry, he is

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Speaker 1: the global head of Blackstone, the Strategic Partners who you

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Speaker 1: were talking about the Investment Fund. He happens to be

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Speaker 1: a Morehouse College graduate. He is on the board of

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Speaker 1: trustees at Morehouse. He has put so much money into

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Speaker 1: Morehouse and has done great for the community. However, the

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Speaker 1: mechanism that's allowing him to do that is crushing the

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Speaker 1: community if they are funding you know, Leader Schumer, who

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Speaker 1: is not working in service to the people. So I

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Speaker 1: just wonder does this entire system ever service And that's

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Speaker 1: not to call out Burden, I hope I'm saying his

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Speaker 1: name for Burdoon Vernon, mister Perry. He's a very wealthy man,

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Speaker 1: and we are proud of you as an individual, brother,

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Speaker 1: so I'm not attacking you at all, but it does

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Speaker 1: It keeps bringing me to this question, does any system

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Speaker 1: of capitalism serve us as a people, particularly since so

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Speaker 1: much about the system of capitalism started on the plantation,

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Speaker 1: So I just wonder, is that even something that can

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Speaker 1: survive here? People keep saying, you know, private equity is

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Speaker 1: destroying America. I don't know enough about it to know.

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Speaker 1: I'd be curious to our audience, like explain it to me,

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Speaker 1: because I don't really know. But it also, you know,

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Speaker 1: it cancels jobs. It also creates jobs. But Wall Street

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Speaker 1: only exists because of our labor, and it's crushing all

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Speaker 1: of us. So I just wonder if we have so

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Speaker 1: much of that money.

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Speaker 5: Our bodies right literally on top of our bodies.

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Speaker 1: So if we have so much of those problems and

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Speaker 1: they are funding members of Congress who are not living

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Speaker 1: in service to our interests, I wonder does the entire

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Speaker 1: system need to be disrupted or blown up?

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Speaker 5: Well, but here's the thing, and I do think we

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Speaker 5: should address this larger question about capitalism. And I hope

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Speaker 5: it's on another show, because if we could just lean

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Speaker 5: into the special interest part, I think the other part

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Speaker 5: is especially given like where we are in this social

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Speaker 5: media era. We live in this absolute black or white

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Speaker 5: space and it's like either you're with me all the

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Speaker 5: time or you're not. And I think that it feels

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Speaker 5: especially true right now because of how terrifying it is

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Speaker 5: to be living in this era in twenty twenty five

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Speaker 5: and or this administration. But the truth of the matter is,

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Speaker 5: even though right now I feel like Chuck Schumer should

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Speaker 5: face a different level of account ability given the severity

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Speaker 5: and the seriousness of seriousness of his vote, as well

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Speaker 5: as the other ten members, just like the folks who

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Speaker 5: voted against Algreen, Like, there's some there's some accountability conversations

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Speaker 5: that we have to have and if you can't align

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Speaker 5: with us, you need to be, you need to be,

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Speaker 5: you need to stub down. But if somebody's voting with

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Speaker 5: us eighty five percent of the time, I don't think

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Speaker 5: that we risk it all and go find somebody that, like,

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Speaker 5: we might get five more percent out of And I

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Speaker 5: don't think all of that is special interests. But like

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Speaker 5: when you're so out of lockstep with what the community

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Speaker 5: is saying, I think that's the time to do a

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Speaker 5: gut check around special interest I mean, I'm fine questions. Also,

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Speaker 5: go ahead, Andrew.

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Speaker 4: Answer to your point. Just so, I'm sorry to exclamation market.

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Speaker 4: I don't think special interests in and of themselves are bad.

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Speaker 4: Are bad things neighborhood associations of special interests at the

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Speaker 4: local yeah, yeah, you have the the Black Chamber of

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Speaker 4: Commerce is a special interest at the local level. So

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Speaker 4: so special interests can be for good things sometimes and

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Speaker 4: sometimes I don't agree with.

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Speaker 5: We're talking about with your special interests, the voices of

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Speaker 5: special interests impact is I know, but can trump the

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Speaker 5: people's power. That's when we have to rest like, well,

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Speaker 5: people are clear.

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Speaker 4: Agreed, go ahead, I agreed. I'm just saying I don't so.

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Speaker 4: First of all, there isn't a there's an issue where

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Speaker 4: you will find people on opposite sides on most things.

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Speaker 4: But I understand the point of outside. The reason why

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Speaker 4: I made the point around what common cause is for

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Speaker 4: a lot of people that you may have people who

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Speaker 4: philosophically agree with you, as you said ninety percent of

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Speaker 4: the time, who take exception on this issue or that issue.

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Speaker 4: That isn't that That isn't what I take issue with.

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Speaker 4: And I don't take issue with groups and special interests

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Speaker 4: in and of themselves my real beef because I think

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Speaker 4: special interests, Yes, they have power to an end, and

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Speaker 4: what is that end? That end is the elected officials

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Speaker 4: willingness to do it, to carry the water, to comply.

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Speaker 4: And so maybe these are twin issues, but I think

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Speaker 4: part of why we are where we are is absolutely yes,

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Speaker 4: special interest but I also believe it is the cowardice

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Speaker 4: of elected officials who make the choice to go against

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Speaker 4: what they ran on, maybe with their constituents might feel

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Speaker 4: and in their in their gut about how they should perform.

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Speaker 5: Well, Andrew, can we do a quick I agree with you,

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Speaker 5: but can we do a quick kind of not experiment,

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Speaker 5: but maybe a reflection back to either your time as

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Speaker 5: a Talia Talahassee commissioner or mayor, or as a candidate

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Speaker 5: when you had to come face to face with special

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Speaker 5: interests as well. I remember a story about Emily's list,

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Speaker 5: which I thought is where you were going earlier. But

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Speaker 5: it's all good. There are some others. No, I didn't

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Speaker 5: want to there are some others, and I would love

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Speaker 5: for you to quickly, you know, take people into the

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Speaker 5: space in the world of that when they come to

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Speaker 5: you and say, you know, Andrew, we want you to

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Speaker 5: stand against charter schools, or Andrew, we need you to

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Speaker 5: stand with us. What Israel all the way? Or Andrew,

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Speaker 5: we need you to support this uh, and don't say

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Speaker 5: anything about this development project whatever it is? What what

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Speaker 5: were what were those conversations, like, you know, and what

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Speaker 5: are they saying? They're saying, we would love to support you,

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Speaker 5: gonna door knock for you, going to do this. We

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Speaker 5: expect you to be with us on what like tell

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Speaker 5: us about that and what? Yeah, I mean leaned into

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Speaker 5: your convictions because you're different in this. Everybody doesn't land

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Speaker 5: where you land. Some of them land where Chuck Schumer is.

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Speaker 4: Well, most people, I will tell you, special interests or

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Speaker 4: individual contributors, major contributors would never try to co locate

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Speaker 4: in their conversation with you that they're giving you money

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Speaker 4: for a certain thing.

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Speaker 5: That's right.

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Speaker 4: In fact, I never went to people and and ask

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Speaker 4: their ask for their support for some special carve oute

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Speaker 4: that they may be for or against. In fact, I

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Speaker 4: mean the FBI deal that that came into my city

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Speaker 4: and targeted us locally, very specifically wanted to say, hey,

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Speaker 4: you know we we we like you, we think you're

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Speaker 4: a good god, we think of a good governor, but

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Speaker 4: we're mostly interested in your votes at the local level.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, let me be very clear about this.

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Speaker 4: If you support me, you support me because I'm a

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Speaker 4: responsive elected official, that you know that I'm going to

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Speaker 4: vote my conscience and that I had to have a

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Speaker 4: forward looking and progressive view about what the future of

654
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Speaker 4: this state ought to look like. And if you want details,

655
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Speaker 4: we can go through it issue by issue, But I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't want anybody's support contingent on the fact that

657
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Speaker 4: you think you're going to predict how I'm going to vote.

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Speaker 5: Like that maybe going to be a predator. Andrew, what

659
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Speaker 5: do you think is the reason? And then Tim, I'm

660
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Speaker 5: gonna shut up with my question. What do you think

661
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Speaker 5: is the reason that some elected officials don't have that

662
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Speaker 5: same conviction around not being by like they don't mind

663
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Speaker 5: I've been in spaces like joint fundraisers we're members of

664
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Speaker 5: Congress will be like I'm this, I'm their dad, like

665
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Speaker 5: you know, literally, it feels like bot like I'm there.

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Speaker 5: I've never seen any times on Maxine Waters or please

667
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Speaker 5: do that ever, but I have been in space. Whatever

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Speaker 5: they need, they got no question there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, which is crazy, right, which is crazy. And

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Speaker 4: first of all, I mean, there's something to be said

671
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Speaker 4: for that. If you are a corrupt person and you

672
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Speaker 4: believe that that's like a badge of honor to wear,

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Speaker 4: there's a lot to be said there. But for most individuals,

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Speaker 4: I have to believe, first of all, the overwarming majority

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Speaker 4: of elected officials who I know, are not going to

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Speaker 4: stand up in no damn middle of the room and

677
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Speaker 4: talk about being anybody's proxy on this issue, that issue,

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Speaker 4: that issue, because of unless they're saying, you sent me

679
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 4: to DC voters, and because you sent me, you better

680
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 4: know you always have an opportunity to walk through my door,

681
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Speaker 4: sit down and have your grievance with me. And that's

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Speaker 4: what I've always said to you. Anybody can book a

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Speaker 4: meeting with me. My schedule is mayor and as commissioner

684
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 4: was easy because we took them from everybody. You didn't

685
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 4: need to be a contributed for that to happen. But

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Speaker 4: for a lot of people, especially special interests, most of

687
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Speaker 4: them by and large are when they are giving you

688
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 4: a money, what they are, what they're asking for is

689
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Speaker 4: access to you. They want to be able to reach

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Speaker 4: you when they need to. That's their clever way of

691
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Speaker 4: of of of of letting you be known and we

692
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Speaker 4: can rock with that.

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Speaker 5: Those wait, wait one more, one more, you just foot

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Speaker 5: us in your answers. What was the balance for you

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Speaker 5: of people of constituents who had your cell phone number

696
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Speaker 5: versus donors or other supporters who had your cell phone

697
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 5: over the person everybody.

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Speaker 4: I need to get rid of it? Well, overwhelmingly the

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Speaker 4: you know, overwhelmingly people right, people had it overwhelmingly because

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Speaker 4: I would get requests that my aid would just beg

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Speaker 4: me to please put an automatic message up that says

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Speaker 4: contact by aid for this is that. And the third

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Speaker 4: because because I lose some of it, she gets some

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Speaker 4: of it, and and ultimately she's gonna be the one

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Speaker 4: responsible because she controls account under but but but largely

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Speaker 4: business interests and special interests where the money lies right,

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Speaker 4: where the money raiser. Those are the people who who

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Speaker 4: I have to tell you are going to have the

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Speaker 4: most access to elected officials. Why because they're the ones

710
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Speaker 4: who show up at the fundraisers. They're the ones who

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00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 4: throw the fundraisers. They're the ones who have the pre

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Speaker 4: meeting setting up to the fundraiser, and they want you

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Speaker 4: to know that you're that your friendship with them has value,

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Speaker 4: a real value. But I got to tell you this, y'all,

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Speaker 4: on every issue that I stood for, fought against for

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Speaker 4: as as a mayor, as an elected official, the most

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Speaker 4: powerful constituency that ever showed up in the staff and

718
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Speaker 4: anybody on the opposite side of them always knew it

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Speaker 4: was going to be a fight if this happened. Is

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Speaker 4: when your chamber gets filled with people who say this

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Speaker 4: is the wrong thing to do. It doesn't matter how powerful,

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Speaker 4: or how friendly, or how much money you raise me

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Speaker 4: or any of that stuff from most selected officials. When

724
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Speaker 4: the people show up in the room, the people usually

725
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Speaker 4: win the day. The problem is, most selectors can count

726
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Speaker 4: on maybe one or two hands how often they've dealt

727
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Speaker 4: with an issue where the chamber was filled up with

728
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Speaker 4: people on one side, and business can name every other

729
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Speaker 4: nine of the ten issues where they have been in

730
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Speaker 4: the room on a particular issue. That's the balance.

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Speaker 1: I just I want to take a minute to say

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Speaker 1: two things. One, I think elected officials like Andrew are

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Speaker 1: rare unfortunately, that's right, yeah, it I feel so much

734
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Speaker 1: rage in this country right now. I cannot even tell you.

735
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Speaker 1: And hearing you talk about Andrew like the kind of

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Speaker 1: mayor that you were, it makes me so upset because

737
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Speaker 1: I feel like our people are losing, and I think

738
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Speaker 1: we have to have a conversation about how do we

739
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Speaker 1: become our special interest how do we elevate our voice

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Speaker 1: this to be as powerful as these special interests groups.

741
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Speaker 1: Andree for you to say that so many people had

742
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Speaker 1: your mobile number, you know, I mean that's y'all know

743
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Speaker 1: how I am about my cell phone, Like I rarely

744
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Speaker 1: give it because I don't want to be responsible for

745
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Speaker 1: having to respond to a text. I want to be

746
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Speaker 1: horrible at it. For you to have this open door

747
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: policy with your constituents, right the open phone and open

748
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Speaker 1: door it is you just don't see that. And I

749
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Speaker 1: feel like when those people emerge, there is an effort

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Speaker 1: to silence, to take them out. So I'll say, Andrew

751
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Speaker 1: and I had a conversation. I'm gonna sound like a hypocrite.

752
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: I own it, but I sent Andrew some text and

753
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Speaker 1: he didn't respond, and to excuse me, I understand I'm

754
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Speaker 1: a hypocrite. Hypocrite here, Well, I just want the viewers

755
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Speaker 1: to know because at any point I can ask Andrew

756
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Speaker 1: any question.

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Speaker 5: Two me so nuts, I can't. I can't have it.

758
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Speaker 1: I can't have it. I'm one of those zero balanced people.

759
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: But I don't open things until I'm ready to respond

760
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Speaker 1: to them. I had a conversation with Andrew because last

761
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: week on the pod we talked about do our taxes

762
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Speaker 1: fund the government? And I referenced like no, but I

763
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: remember reading like taxes don't fund the government. And so

764
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Speaker 1: after the show, I went and looked at it and I,

765
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Speaker 1: you know, tried to read a few things and I

766
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Speaker 1: didn't understand it, and so I sent it to Andrew.

767
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Speaker 1: I'm like, and can you read this and maybe you'll

768
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Speaker 1: you'll understand it better. I can ask Andrew questions like Andrew,

769
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Speaker 1: what was the negotiating table after World War Two? Like

770
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Speaker 1: how did NATO even come to be? And like how

771
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: did that benefit us? And off the dome, Andrew, you

772
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Speaker 1: have an answer for me if I asked, well, what

773
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Speaker 1: was the time limit between World War One and World

774
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Speaker 1: War Two? What were the lessons that we took away

775
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Speaker 1: from that? Off the dome, Andrew will have an answer to.

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Speaker 5: Find out he's Andrew Chaid GP. Yeah, honestly.

777
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Speaker 1: But this is my point on just want me to

778
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: shut the hell up, because y'all are both like extra humble.

779
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: But my point to to Andrew is in domestic policy

780
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Speaker 1: foreign policy, like you are so gifted and so talented,

781
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Speaker 1: and I wish because if you've lived in Florida, then

782
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 1: you know, Andrew, Andrew still beloved in the state of Florida,

783
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: but outside people don't know the wealth of knowledge this

784
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 1: man has and the level of intellect that you bring

785
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: in terms of strategy and just in conversation. So I

786
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: just really appreciate that about you. And to hear how

787
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: open you were with your constituents it makes me so enraged.

788
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: And so then the other part of that is there

789
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: has to be a leveling of this playing field. And

790
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Speaker 1: my fantasy is we just erase this the government and

791
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: we start from scratch, We start from a blank wall,

792
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: and I want to empower people listening. What would democracy

793
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: look like if we were its architects, not just the

794
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: because we built the country, but if we were the

795
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Speaker 1: actual architects of what government looks like, and to tap

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Speaker 1: into our imagination in that way, and Andrew, you tapped

797
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Speaker 1: into your imagination and led with conviction and just thought,

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Speaker 1: this shouldn't be, so what if it wasn't or this

799
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Speaker 1: should be so what if it is? I don't think

800
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: right now we have leaders on Capitol Hill who are

801
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Speaker 1: prepared to lead with that level, who are supported enough

802
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: to lead at that level. But I do believe we

803
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: have millions of people across this country who at some point,

804
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: when this comes to knock on their front door, they're

805
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: going to be ready to pay attention. Special interests can

806
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: also be geopolitical. We have a lot of global interests.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump has yielded to a lot of global.

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Speaker 4: Interest right now, enlightening conversation, ladies, let's keep it going

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Speaker 4: right after the break, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: If I can take a few minutes, I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about some of the geopolitics because right now this

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Speaker 1: administration is in open defiance of the judiciary. Angela, you

813
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: have talked about constitution constitutional crisis. I think at this

814
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: point that this administration is an open defiance to the judiciary.

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Speaker 1: Then we have to acknowledge that there are no rules,

816
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: there is no functioning government, there are no three co

817
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: equal branches of government. This is an erosion the failure

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Speaker 1: of the media to treat this like oh, Trump's having

819
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Speaker 1: a disagreement with the judge. No, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 1: This is the erosion of what the framers intended. It's

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Speaker 1: an erosion of society as we know it. We talked

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Speaker 1: about my mood a little before. I think this punctuates

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Speaker 1: where we are as a country, and if you all

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Speaker 1: will permit me, I'd like to read this letter that

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Speaker 1: my mood Khalil he was a Palestinian activist at Columbia

826
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Speaker 1: University in New York. We talked about him being arrested.

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Speaker 1: The video is widely available online. For those of you

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Speaker 1: who are watching, you can see those images on the

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Speaker 1: screen now if you're listening. He was arrested by playing

830
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Speaker 1: closed ice agents while his wife looked on, and he

831
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Speaker 1: was quickly moved to various detention centers, so it was

832
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: hard for lawyers to keep up with him. And this

833
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: is what he says. The contents of the letter have

834
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Speaker 1: not been edited. It was dictated to an attorney, and

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Speaker 1: he says, my name is my Mood Khalil, and I

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Speaker 1: am a political prisoner. I'm writing to you from a

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Speaker 1: detention facility in Louisiana, where I wake the cold mornings

838
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Speaker 1: and spend long days bearing witness to the quiet injustices

839
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Speaker 1: underway against a great many people precluded from the protections

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Speaker 1: of the law. Who has the right to have rights?

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Speaker 1: It is certainly not the humans crowded into the cells here.

842
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: It isn't the Senegalese man I met, who has been

843
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: deprived of his liberty for a year, his legal situation

844
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Speaker 1: in Limbo and his family in ocean away. It isn't

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Speaker 1: the twenty one year old detainee I met, who stepped

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Speaker 1: foot in this country at age nine, only to be

847
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Speaker 1: deported without so much as a hearing. Justice escapes the

848
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Speaker 1: contours of this nation's immigration facilities. On March eighth, I

849
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: was taken by DHS agents who refused to provide a

850
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Speaker 1: warrant and accost it my wife and me as we

851
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: returned from dinner. By now, the footage of that night

852
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: has been made public. Before I knew what was happening,

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Speaker 1: agents handcuffed and forced me into an unmarked car. At

854
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: that moment, my only concern was for Nord's safety. I

855
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: had no idea if she would be taken too, since

856
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: the agents had threatened to arrest her for not leaving

857
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Speaker 1: my side. DHS would not tell me anything for hours.

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Speaker 1: I did not know the cause of my arrest or

859
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Speaker 1: if I was facing immediate deportation. At twenty six Federal Plaza,

860
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Speaker 1: I slept on the cold floor in the early morning hours.

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Speaker 1: Agents transported me to another facility in Elizabeth, New Jersey. There,

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Speaker 1: I slept on the ground and was refused a blanket

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Speaker 1: despite my request. My arrest was a direct consequence of

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Speaker 1: exercising my right to free speech as I advocated for

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Speaker 1: a free Palestine and an end to the genocide in Gaza,

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00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: which resumed in full force Monday night was January ceasefire.

867
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: Now broken, parents and Gaza are once again cradling two

868
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: small shrouds, and families are forced to waste starvation and

869
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: displacement against bombs. It is our moral imperative to persist

870
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: in the struggle for their complete freedom. I was born

871
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 1: in a Palestine, in a Palestinian refugee camp in Syria,

872
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: to a family which had been displaced from their land

873
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: since the nineteen forty eight Nakpa. I spent my youth

874
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: in proximity to, yet distant from my homeland, but being

875
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: Palestinian is an experience that transcends borders. I see in

876
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: my circumstances similarities to Israel's use of administrative detention imprisonment

877
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: without trial or charge to strip Palestinians of their rights.

878
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: I think of our friend Omar Katib, who is incarcerated

879
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: without charge or trial by Israel as he returned home

880
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: from travel. I think of Gaza Hospital director and pediatrician

881
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: doctor Hussam Abu Saphia, who was taken captive by the

882
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: Israeli military on December twenty seventh and remains in an

883
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: Israeli torture camp.

884
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 5: Today.

885
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: For Palestinians, imprisonment without due process is commonplace. I have

886
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: always believed that my duty is not only to liberate

887
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: myself from the oppressor, but also to liberate my oppressors

888
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: from their hatred and fear. My unjust attention is indicative

889
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: of the anti Palestinian racism that both the Biden and

890
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: Trump administrations have demonstrated over the past sixteen months. As

891
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: the US has continued to supply Israel with weapons to

892
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: kill Palestinians and prevented international intervention for decades. Anti Palestinian

893
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: racism has driven efforts to expand US laws and practices

894
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: that are used violently to repress Palestinians, Arab Americans, and

895
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: other communities. That is precisely why I'm being targeted. While

896
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: I await legal decisions that hold the futures of my

897
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: wife and child in the balance, those who are enabled

898
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: those who enabled my targeting remained comfortably at Columbia University,

899
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: President Shaffik Armstrong and Dean Yari Milo laid the groundwork

900
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: for the US government to target me by arbitrarily disciplining

901
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: pro Palestinian students and allowing viral dosing based on racism

902
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: and disinformation to go uncheck. Colombia targeted me from my activism,

903
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: creating a new author authoritarian disciplinary office, the bypass due

904
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: process and silence students criticizing Israel. Columbia surrendered to federal

905
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: pressure by disclosing student records to Congress and yielding to

906
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: the Trump Administration's latest threats. My arrests the expulsion or

907
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: suspension of at least twenty two Columbia students some strip

908
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: of their BA degrees just weeks before graduation, and the

909
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: expulsion of the SWC President, Grant Minor, on the eve

910
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 1: of contract negotiations are clear examples. If anything, my detention

911
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: is a testament to the strength of student movement in

912
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: shifting public opinion toward Palestinian liberation. Students have long been

913
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: at the forefront of change, leading the charge against the

914
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: Vietnam War, standing on the front lines of the civil

915
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: rights movement, and driving the struggle against apartheid in South

916
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: Africa Today too, even if the public has yet to

917
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: fully grasp it, it is students who steer us towards

918
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: truths and justice. The Trump administration is targeting me as

919
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: a broader strategy to suppress dissent. Visa holders, green card carriers,

920
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: and citizens alike will all be targeted for their political

921
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: beliefs in the weeks ahead. Students, advocates, and elected officials

922
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: must unite to defend the right to protest for Palestine.

923
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: At stake are not just our voices, but the fundamental

924
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: civil liberties for all. Knowing fully that this moment transcends

925
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: my individual circumstances, I hope nonetheless to be free to

926
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: witness the birth of my firstborn.

927
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 4: Childful, powerful, powerful, powful, I mean on on his merits,

928
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 4: Tiffany and Angela. Ah, what's happening is is wrong as

929
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 4: it relates to protest on campuses and and the impact

930
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 4: on this family. Uh, you know, my prayers, My prayers

931
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 4: go up and out for them. But the warning that

932
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 4: he so generously offers there at the end for the

933
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 4: rest of us is one that cannot go unnoticed. When

934
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 4: Ron DeSantis in Florida decides to criminalize protests because a

935
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 4: group of students disagree with a state position, When Donald

936
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 4: Trump says that he is going to go after students

937
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 4: who protests on the issue of of of of of

938
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 4: Israel and Palestine, and this in this unjust war, when

939
00:52:54,160 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 4: when administrations, government and private sector entities decide that they

940
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 4: are no longer going to defend the people who are

941
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 4: in their care who they have responsibility for, and willingly

942
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 4: give over contact information, names, addresses, don't track down on

943
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 4: them being docked on the internet, so people can go

944
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 4: to their homes and do even worse things. Y'all. It's

945
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 4: been said before. It may not be us today, but

946
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 4: we see the outlines of what this thing looks like.

947
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 4: Just insert community. That's the only thing that needs to change. Yes,

948
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 4: immigrants who may be here in the country without proper

949
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 4: documentation might be a tinge more vulnerable, but I wouldn't

950
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 4: say much more vulnerable, because they have rights. Even if

951
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 4: you are here without proper documentation, they have us rights

952
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 4: to the system for due process regardless. Well, you're full

953
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,439
Speaker 4: a citizen, you got due process rights too. Yes, that's true.

954
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 4: But what happens when the institution's private and public who

955
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 4: are supposed to keep your information private, decide to hand

956
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 4: it right on over to an authoritarian leader. What happens

957
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 4: when the government that it's going to stop being your

958
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 4: protector and you're champion, and turn against you and incarcrate

959
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 4: your ass and then force you to make the proof

960
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 4: to get out. It can happen to any one of us.

961
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 4: And it's outrageous for any of us to think otherwise.

962
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,479
Speaker 4: That we cannot because we're American citizens, we cannot find

963
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 4: ourselves in this exact predicament on the right issue, On

964
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 4: the right issue, we just on the right issue of

965
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 4: which we take exception or disagree with this administration. We

966
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 4: then find ourselves on the other side of the law.

967
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 4: They are creating the foundation for that to happen right now.

968
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: Right now we are in We're not on the precipice

969
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: of anything anymore here. So how long before they come

970
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: knocking at your door?

971
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:44,919
Speaker 5: Yeah?

972
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: Because you protested? How long before they come knocking at

973
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: your door? Angela? Because you organize things? How long before

974
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 1: they come knocking at your door?

975
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 5: Again?

976
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: Andrew to target you? I can't every second of every fuck.

977
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm on the verge of a breakdown, and it's frustrating

978
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: because I don't think people really know what's going on.

979
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 4: And you know it, Tiffany, to the extent that we

980
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 4: do know, how many of us, in our everyday lives

981
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 4: try to avert our eyes from the crisis that we're

982
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 4: dealing within our own personal lives because we just want

983
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 4: to survive. So if we think we ignore it, or

984
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 4: if we turn away and we don't pay attention, we

985
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 4: don't open that piece of mail, we don't open that email,

986
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 4: we don't open that we don't take that phone call,

987
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 4: that that thing is going to go away. I get

988
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 4: how easy it is for all of us to avert

989
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 4: our eyes because we just can't.

990
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: Did ignorance is bliss.

991
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 4: It is.

992
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: It is easier if right, and so you don't have

993
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: the Ignorance is bliss. Ignorance is also privileged.

994
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 5: It is a luxury that nobody can afford.

995
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 4: And I think, what do they say in Wicked the

996
00:55:53,320 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 4: song versus It's life is fraud, basically saying the more

997
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 4: informed you are, the more you care, the more problems

998
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 4: that you have, And so it's life is frautless to

999
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 4: be thoughtless. Yes, life is without its issues to subtract.

1000
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 4: So when you subtract from the knowing, but that that

1001
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 4: that only makes it true in your own imagination. It

1002
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 4: ain't you in real being.

1003
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 5: But I don't remember where I was going because I

1004
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 5: was like a wicked because I was thinking about Kiki.

1005
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 4: I'm sorry my kids.

1006
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: Well, when you put head to pillow tonight, I would

1007
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: ask you to think of my mood, Khalil and all

1008
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: the others in need, right, don't look away. Think of

1009
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: all the others who are sleeping on concrete floors with

1010
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 1: no mattress, pillow blanket, and crowded cells. Think of all

1011
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: the others who were shipped off on a plane. Think

1012
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 1: of your children. Imagine if somebody came and got your

1013
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: twenty year old child who all they know is America

1014
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: and ship them off to a country where they may

1015
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: not even speak the language and they were being treated

1016
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,240
Speaker 1: as a criminal. That is what is happening to thousands

1017
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: of people, and that is what can happen to any

1018
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 1: of us at any second. We're living in a society

1019
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: that is questioning birthright citizenship.

1020
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 5: Literally that the president is acting. They said he's gearing

1021
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 5: up for the fight with the Supreme Court. So I

1022
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 5: just I think that it isn't coming upon us to

1023
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 5: not look away.

1024
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 3: It is.

1025
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 5: To really ask ourselves the most basic and fundamental question.

1026
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 5: If your people are getting slaughtered and you consciously object,

1027
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 5: should you really be facing imprisonment? Should you be facing deportation?

1028
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 5: Should you be shipped to Guantanamo Bay? You know, like

1029
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 5: are we serious Salvador or wherever? Yeah, you know, put

1030
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 5: up in hotel rooms with no no, no, none of

1031
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 5: the luxuries, just housed and held and detained.

1032
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 4: You know, I just I think, and worse off not

1033
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 4: knowing where you're gonna get caught in this win is

1034
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 4: system going to catch me from this unperilous you know,

1035
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 4: this perilous call when.

1036
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 5: You know my centers and I was not going into

1037
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 5: I thought that we're not in.

1038
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 4: The same place. Okay, we start, we're not in the

1039
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 4: same place. I want to apologize, Angela, I didn't know

1040
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 4: you were still going and I apologize.

1041
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 5: It's okay, finish your point and then I'll come around

1042
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 5: to my point.

1043
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 4: I know I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna stop. I can't

1044
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 4: keep going because I now I know that I interrupted

1045
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 4: you and he ain't.

1046
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 5: Said, but I am. I think that when we contextualize

1047
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 5: most of what our conversation was today in terms of

1048
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 5: special interests, we have to we have to resist the

1049
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 5: urge to not just be mad at the fact that

1050
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 5: it's big money with outsize influence. I think that we

1051
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 5: have to go a level deeper and determine what that

1052
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 5: outsized influence costs the people. There's a difference. What we're

1053
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 5: talking about here is we talked about APEX. We know

1054
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 5: that their outside influence is costing the lives of Palestinian people.

1055
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 5: It's costing the elections of people who vote with their conscience. Frankly,

1056
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 5: it is muting the conscience of people who we know

1057
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 5: and love. And I think that that is a really

1058
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 5: good point for us to say, there has to be

1059
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 5: a fundamental shift because we can't be so quiet by

1060
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 5: the special interest dollars, their outsize role, that we will

1061
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 5: turn a blind eye to fascism, that will turn a

1062
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 5: blind eye to the democracy that we say that we

1063
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 5: hope for, that will look at everything we said leading

1064
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 5: up to the twenty twenty four election and pretend like

1065
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 5: that isn't in fact the case while we're watching this

1066
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 5: mandesimate agencies that support our people that have not balanced

1067
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 5: the scales, but like kind of made it a little

1068
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 5: more fair. And I'm not suggesting to your point earlier

1069
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 5: tip of like as capitalism service. I don't really know,

1070
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 5: but I know what we have, and I know the

1071
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 5: game we're supposed to play. The rules that we're planned

1072
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 5: by now don't even we don't even qualify for them.

1073
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 5: They're not even available to us. They are literally developed

1074
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 5: developing a system where we are locked out completely. And

1075
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 5: I think whether we work in those companies and we've

1076
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 5: been promoted in those companies and where the figurehead of

1077
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 5: those companies, or we have the power in those companies,

1078
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 5: if being in that role means that you have to

1079
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 5: support interests that antagonize your community, you're in the wrong place.

1080
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 5: Even if you gave the biggest philanthropic donation, if it

1081
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Speaker 5: is going to support some folks that are literally suffocating

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Speaker 5: us in our rights, Nah, that's just a bridge too far,

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Speaker 5: not in this era. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, I you know, we talked about feeling despair last week,

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Speaker 1: and I have to be honest, I still feel despair.

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Speaker 1: I mean that letter. When I read that letter this week,

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Speaker 1: it just leveled me. It's crushed me, and my spirit

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Speaker 1: feels crushed, and so I don't really know how to

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Speaker 1: crawl out of this. But I think every day this

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Speaker 1: despair is turning to righteous anger, and it is making

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Speaker 1: parts of my heart turn the stone, you know, where

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Speaker 1: I have no empathy for people who did this. I

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Speaker 1: have no sympathy for people who did this.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: I look at them in absolute, utter disgust, and I

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Speaker 1: think be crushed under the bullshit you voted for. Oh

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Speaker 1: that's how I feel more and more. Yeah, yeah, And

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Speaker 1: I think before there was a version of me that

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Speaker 1: had compassion, that didn't want to see anybody suffer, you know,

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Speaker 1: But when I see what they enacted and unleashed, now

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I just kind of feel like,

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Speaker 1: fuck you, but you know you and live in it and.

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Speaker 5: Sit in it and die in it. Wow. So, Tif

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Speaker 5: and Andrew, if you're just now seeing like we imagined

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01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 5: it would go this farce, think a little bit, but

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Speaker 5: we're just now seeing it for real. There's a group,

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01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 5: a focused group of voters who they've talked to at

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01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 5: a Michigan who voted for Trump, a lot of them

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Speaker 5: with deep regrets that that was onolder shrug on air.

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Speaker 5: So but I guess this is my question if they

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Speaker 5: really didn't know and now they're like, how did they

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Speaker 5: not know? I don't know. I really don't know the

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Speaker 5: answer this. I don't understand why they don't know. But

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Speaker 5: I think it's the same way that people in communities

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01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 5: everywhere don't know there's an election, or don't know who's running,

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01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 5: or don't know who's different.

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Speaker 1: So that to me is different. Yes, I can understand

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01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: if a system has never served you. I can understand

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01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: that you are not that aware of it. But you

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Speaker 1: didn't know about January sixth. No, you didn't see this, man,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe that. Oh, I really you think there

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01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: are people who don't know January sixth happened?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely let's go for absolutely. There are some people where

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Speaker 5: January sixth, at the what happened on the Capitol on

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Speaker 5: January sixth, twenty twenty one, Absolutely and they have.

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Speaker 1: Now it might be people who agree with it, but

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01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: you're saying there are people who literally have no idea

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Speaker 1: that January sixth, I haven't heard of it. You all

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01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: get mad when I see people are dumb. Those people

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01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: are dumb.

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Speaker 5: They I may not be done, they're not exposed the communities,

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Speaker 5: but there.

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Speaker 1: Has to be a level of willful ignorance to not

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Speaker 1: know that there was a coup happening in this country

1135
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: that you didn't see thousands of people storm the capital

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01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: to try to overthrow the government. I think that transcended

1137
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: every media outlet, every everything that can penetrate your willful ignorance.

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Speaker 5: That was one of them.

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Speaker 1: You didn't know that Donald Trump was president before, you

1140
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: didn't know the disaster that that was.

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Speaker 5: I think there are people in communities that I'm getting

1142
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 5: exposed war and more to every day that do not

1143
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 5: know Donald Trump's first administration, did not know the second one,

1144
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 5: and they didn't vote, never have voted.

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Speaker 1: Those people like you specifically about people who are like

1146
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Speaker 1: what what do you mean January sixth? I don't know

1147
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: what that is.

1148
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 5: They some of these people don't know about January sixth.

1149
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: I've never come across as a person, but I got

1150
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: a beef with us.

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01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 5: Don't have beef. Let's go educate them so that they

1152
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 5: know even where to find out about it. Don't know,

1153
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 5: don't know what. I don't know what is? Don't those people?

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Speaker 1: Of course I think I talked. I probably have some

1155
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: sort of I touch those people probably on a daily basis.

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01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: So those people like those.

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Speaker 5: Are the people I think of and why I can't

1158
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 5: say forget it if y'all crushed under this system, Because

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01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 5: if those people who willfully did it are crushed under

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Speaker 5: the system, these people that I'm talking about will be absolutely,

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01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 5: absolutely obliterated under the system.

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Speaker 1: The only people right now that I have space for

1163
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,479
Speaker 1: in my heart are.

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Speaker 5: My people.

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01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: Regardless of what my people, I want to build safety

1166
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 1: work towards harm reduction for my people. Beyond that, proactive

1167
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: allies who are actively trying to do something to help

1168
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: and not necessarily with us, I mean, actively do something

1169
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: to help in your group chats, in your families, in

1170
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: your communities, correcting these half witted idiots who did this

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01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: to us because we voted for your rights too. I

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01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: have space for them and empathy for them. For the

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01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: people who are out here cheering on January sixth, performing

1174
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Speaker 1: at the Kennedy Center. For the people who are out

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01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: here wearing these dumb ass maga hats, For the people

1176
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: who are out here shouting for Derek Fielding to be pardoning.

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Speaker 1: For the people who are out here watching Fox News

1178
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: every day like a bunch of armchair idiots. I could

1179
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: give a shit about them. I understand that I'm not

1180
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: trying to have a bounce of empathy for them. I

1181
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: feel bad for them because I don't know how they

1182
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: got there. But I'm not talking about them.

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01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 5: I'm talking about people who literally are so detached from

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Speaker 5: government and from systems at every level. Andrew, I don't

1185
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 5: want to overtuch.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate the invitation. I got to tell you that

1187
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 4: I can't see Yall's face and facial clearly, I couldn't

1188
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 4: tell no, no, no, no, no, you may I'm where

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01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 4: I am the backgrounds of y'all.

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Speaker 1: Uh Angela and I have the privilege of being in

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Speaker 1: the same space today. We are proudly broadcasting from Roland

1192
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: Martin studio shout out to Row Row after Roland Martin,

1193
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: and you all know, I love when I get to

1194
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: be in the same space as my co host, But

1195
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: poor Andrew is.

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Speaker 5: The reason.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It is different when we're all in the same space.

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Speaker 1: So if you all keep listening, we'll get to be

1200
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: in the same space every year. Expression I think we

1201
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: were facing each other, so he just couldn't see it

1202
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: on the screen. But anyway, Andrew, please just that.

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Speaker 4: I apologize for the interruption.

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Speaker 1: We'll make your point because we're but I want to know.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, go ahead, Andrew.

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Speaker 4: That's no, I don't have a point. You yielded to me,

1207
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 4: but I don't have a point. I'm really absorbing what

1208
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 4: you're saying, and I'm trying to understand the limits of

1209
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 4: my compassion as well. And I think the frustration that

1210
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 4: I have are likely for folks who have the ability

1211
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 4: to vote, haven't been hindered really in any real way

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01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 4: with that, and still don't make the effort to know

1213
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 4: enough about what government is doing to assess how you

1214
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 4: are impacted by it. So, for instance, a lot of

1215
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 4: people are going to lose access to healthcare as a

1216
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Speaker 4: result of this Republican budget, a lot of people with

1217
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Speaker 4: kids who are special needs, under the shift that this

1218
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Speaker 4: administration plans to take with the Department of Education unchecked

1219
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 4: by anybody and any other branch of government, are going

1220
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Speaker 4: to move onto their monthly budget lines new expenses for

1221
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Speaker 4: the care of their children that they have never before

1222
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 4: had to bear. The brunt of for families who are

1223
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 4: experiencing what it means to transition your parents into retirement

1224
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 4: and into elderly systems that are there to help support

1225
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 4: them in retirement. Good luck when we look up and

1226
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 4: we see that the retirement that is supposed to be

1227
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 4: promised to our seniors who report into this system are

1228
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 4: now at a point where don't cover much of anything,

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Speaker 4: and don't even get me started on the healthcare access

1230
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 4: that they have. And as the price of things continue

1231
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Speaker 4: to go up, and the government then caps the amount

1232
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Speaker 4: of the contribution that each one of these recipients receive,

1233
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 4: what is it sixty percent of seniors are on Medicaid,

1234
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 4: Medicare they're getting with no other subsidized health insurance. So

1235
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Speaker 4: when those caps kick in, it is it big frustration.

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01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 4: I dealt with this as an elect official, where people

1237
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 4: come knocking on your door once the crisis hits them.

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01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 4: But every one of the three hundred and sixty five

1239
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 4: days that on the local news this thing was mentioned,

1240
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 4: and the meetings were held and the rallies were held,

1241
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 4: nobody looked up to check the symptoms. Nobody looked up

1242
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 4: to see how they were going to be impacted. And

1243
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 4: so I don't know that I have hard limits right now,

1244
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 4: because I just I like to give chances. But my

1245
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 4: frustration really does sit there that it isn't until it ain't,

1246
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 4: not that it crawled up your doorstep, not that it

1247
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 4: knocked on your door, but until it is sitting with

1248
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 4: you in the living room that you decide that I'm

1249
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 4: going to wake up and pay attention to how we

1250
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 4: got here, and by that point, good luck in being saved.

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Speaker 1: On that note, we are over time. I'm so happy

1252
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:46,679
Speaker 1: you made that point, Andrew. I think those were profound

1253
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 1: words because that's kind of how I feel. But we

1254
01:09:49,760 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 1: have some calls to action. Gonna go last, because I

1255
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: will give you a heads up. My call to action

1256
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,440
Speaker 1: is not political good.

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01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 5: I'll go first. I think.

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Speaker 4: One.

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Speaker 5: I have taken so much comfort in the last several

1260
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 5: weeks and being linked arm to arm with my people.

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Speaker 5: We did a State of the People marathon a few

1262
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 5: weeks back, and just the relationship building process since then,

1263
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 5: really connected with people on text who I admire and

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01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 5: now get to text with and share ideas with. Kimberly

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Speaker 5: Crenshaw sending me, you know, incredible like deep dives on

1266
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 5: her thoughts. Just it's just really really dope. And I

1267
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 5: am so grateful that our folks are not just like

1268
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 5: the hell it ain't know what we can do, Like

1269
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 5: we don't even have it in us. It's like we

1270
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:51,680
Speaker 5: are going to fight. If we lose this fight, we

1271
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 5: over here doing this fight. So I think that my

1272
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 5: call to action to y'all is simply this, it's don't

1273
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 5: give up. It is even if you don't find the

1274
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 5: strength to fight today, just yoke up with somebody else

1275
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,600
Speaker 5: who's fighting. I guarantee you if you don't have the

1276
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 5: strength to fight, you still will have the idea. If

1277
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 5: you don't have the idea today, you probably don't have

1278
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 5: it tomorrow. So I would just say, please, don't give up,

1279
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 5: and if you have ways that we should be fighting,

1280
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 5: DM them to us. I got an incredible DM from

1281
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 5: a sister who I hope will send in a video.

1282
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 5: Who's we even talking about getting videos in from the

1283
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 5: podcast or to the podcast. She had a really dope

1284
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 5: idea that I would love to talk about on this show.

1285
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 5: So Hopeully, we'll get this idea anyway. Don't give up

1286
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:39,679
Speaker 5: the fight and keep these ideas comfortle nice ten is nice.

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Speaker 4: I think my takeaway would be, you know, how we

1288
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 4: all grew up with certain sayings, some of us grew

1289
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 4: up with certain traditions, even certain expectations around in this case,

1290
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 4: how you're supposed to be treated by government and by institutions.

1291
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 4: You walk into a place and you know you're not

1292
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 4: going to have a positive experience because as a child,

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Speaker 4: you remember walking into that same office in the same place,

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Speaker 4: and you're not having a positive experience. I would just

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Speaker 4: ask us to not create our default position to then

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Speaker 4: be the exact thing that we experienced or somebody else

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Speaker 4: we know experienced generations ago, that that shouldn't be our

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Speaker 4: automatic setting, That our automatic setting really needs to adjust

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Speaker 4: to our level of expectation that they will perform, because

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of us are we don't expect

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Speaker 4: much from a from an institution when you haven't felt

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Speaker 4: like you've gotten much from it. But simply because you

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Speaker 4: haven't gotten much from it doesn't mean that the status

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Speaker 4: quo position ought to be that I'm not gonna get

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Speaker 4: much from this. Maybe your expectations have to raise. And

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Speaker 4: then when you walk into that space or in that

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Speaker 4: place and you make that call, and you're making it

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Speaker 4: from a position of glass half full of full versus

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Speaker 4: one empty to lower empty, I promise you the receiving

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Speaker 4: end of that gets a different message from you. When

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Speaker 4: I go into my children's school and they know we

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Speaker 4: come in, and they see us coming up in there,

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Speaker 4: the expectations that we have, they know are going to

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Speaker 4: be at a level that your rudimentary this thing won't

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Speaker 4: work that okay, uh huh, sure go later. Now we

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Speaker 4: have a greater expectation than that. And I just I

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Speaker 4: would ask us to interrogate the things that we assume

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Speaker 4: are going to work out a certain way, because that's

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Speaker 4: how they always work out. To interrogate that further, to

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Speaker 4: see if we couldn't put on a different hat, a

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Speaker 4: different disposition, a different set of expectations to make that

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Speaker 4: thing work out our way. Because I fear in politics

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Speaker 4: that a lot of it is is our default is

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Speaker 4: we have no expectation. And when you ain't got no expectation, Yes,

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Speaker 4: the worst is is gonna be the worst, and the

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Speaker 4: worst is what it is. But when you go in

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Speaker 4: there with it and you act like it a different

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Speaker 4: you're gonna they're gonna meet a different version of you.

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Speaker 4: And I getarantee, I think you'll meet a different version

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Speaker 4: of the thing you want on the other side of that.

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Speaker 1: Walk in it all right, I'll be really quick way

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Speaker 1: over time. I just want to say, the only thing

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Speaker 1: these days that seem to give me a piece of

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Speaker 1: joy is when I get to touch a dog. When

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Speaker 1: I get to make out with a dog, it gives

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Speaker 1: me a piece make out with a dog, I do

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Speaker 1: mean make out with these dogs.

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Speaker 5: I just want to make sure there are people. I

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Speaker 5: just want to take a quick production time out. Bitch.

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Speaker 5: It's the same ship as Andrew last week. There's such

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Speaker 5: thing called dog best reality is a time. This is Angela.

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Speaker 1: People who love dogs know what I mean. Angela talk

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Speaker 1: about the best reality with the dog when on Fox, remember.

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Speaker 4: Tiffany coming and you got a pet, pick it up

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Speaker 4: and run.

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Speaker 5: First.

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Speaker 1: But the podcast go ahead, fine, y'all can leave all

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Speaker 1: of that in because people know when I make out like,

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Speaker 1: I don't mean can I pet your dog? I mean

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get on the floor and cradle your dog,

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Speaker 1: and your dog, will you kiss me? You know I

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Speaker 1: don't kiss dogs in the mouth, but I guess sometimes.

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Speaker 1: We went to Angela and I went to our friend

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Speaker 1: Joy's house, and she has a pit bull and an

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Speaker 1: other little mix, and I just I was in heaven.

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Speaker 1: I was in heaven with these dogs. So I say

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Speaker 1: all that to say, she's trys. I say all that

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Speaker 1: to say, if you are somebody who is keeping your

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Speaker 1: pet tied up outside, or your neighbors are keeping their

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Speaker 1: pets tied up outside, shame on you. Dogs are not

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Speaker 1: lawn furniture. If you are cold outside, they are cold outside.

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Speaker 1: If you don't like getting wet in the rain, they

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Speaker 1: don't like getting wet in the rain. Please don't be

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Speaker 1: a shitty human being and treat animals poorly. Treat animals

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Speaker 1: like you would want to be treated, and they deserve.

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Speaker 1: If you can't take in a pet and treat that

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Speaker 1: pet well in your home, then you don't deserve to

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Speaker 1: have one.

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Speaker 5: And that is all I meant. Animal dogs, not humans.

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Speaker 1: Like I don't want to make out with no human

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Speaker 1: that act like a dog. I've done that too many times.

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Speaker 5: I was trying to offer a warning and didn't mean

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Speaker 5: for her to take the bait. You heard it here first, y'all.

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Speaker 5: If this ends up on Fox, those kind of dogs,

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Speaker 5: stay ahead of life. Welcome.

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Speaker 5: Oh, all right, that's the way to do it.

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