Speaker 1: Look mad oh, I see you my oh, look over there.
Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, dads calling And here's
Speaker 1: what I have to say to you. To me, yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. I think I know what you're thinking me for?
Speaker 1: Was it because earlier today I taught you something you
Speaker 1: did and I want to thank my teacher. And can
Speaker 1: we just say thank you to all the teachers? First
Speaker 1: of all, it's rural culture number forty eight. Thank you.
Speaker 1: And my teacher today was Bowen Yang because let me
Speaker 1: tell you what I didn't know about in the culture
Speaker 1: before this very afternoon was Miss Teresa Tang. Miss Teresa.
Speaker 1: Now Bowen, could you tell the readers all about Miss
Speaker 1: Teresa Tang. I, first of all, I just want to
Speaker 1: say I'm so happy and overjoyed that you have met
Speaker 1: this this new sort of more sol of culture with
Speaker 1: such enthusiasm. I think it really is cool. It makes
Speaker 1: you happy. It makes me so happy that you like
Speaker 1: to make say happy, because I the first thing I
Speaker 1: did when I walked into your apartment. First of all,
Speaker 1: I'm in Matt's apartment. We're doing this thing again where
Speaker 1: I'm on his coast and whatever, but I'm in his
Speaker 1: I've come to Matt. But the first thing I did
Speaker 1: when I walked into your apartment was I go, I
Speaker 1: have to tell you about Teresa. He goes, I have
Speaker 1: to tell you about Teresa. And these was the Apple
Speaker 1: TV remote, and with the flick of his wrist, the
Speaker 1: Apple TV is on, and I'm like, whoa, this is
Speaker 1: my thing? Is that? Like in all these like and
Speaker 1: like and all the anecdotal things that that I've engaged
Speaker 1: in or whatever, I'll go, oh, yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: knew when I was gay when I danced to Selene
Speaker 1: Dion and Montreal suburbs. And that's when I knew. And
Speaker 1: that was my Selene was my first object of devia worship.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blap. But it's act and we're
Speaker 1: deviating from that a bit today. Well it predates Selene
Speaker 1: because Teresa. Okay, so her name is don't let June
Speaker 1: in Mandarin. She is this Taiwanese singer big in the eighties,
Speaker 1: sang huge polyglott sing all her songs in Mandarin, Cantonese, Taiwanese, hockeyen, Japanese. Culturally,
Speaker 1: brought together a lot of East Asia and Southeast Asia.
Speaker 1: She is this huge, huge, huge hooe, huge deal. And
Speaker 1: then I showed you like footage of her funeral, like
Speaker 1: when she died. Okay, yeah, that's another thing, like let's
Speaker 1: just pause for a second and let everyone know that
Speaker 1: she died tragically of it would just say an asthma attack.
Speaker 1: Of an asthma attack. And the way that my mom
Speaker 1: explained it to me, I was, I remember this so vividly.
Speaker 1: I don't have many long term memories, and this is
Speaker 1: a long time ago. I was five years old, so
Speaker 1: this happened, so she died. I was worshiping Ms. Teresa
Speaker 1: for all my adolescence, my my, my childhood, early child,
Speaker 1: from zero out of five, from zero to five. No,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm telling you, like was singing the tunes.
Speaker 1: And then know when she was alive. I remember, I
Speaker 1: remember a time when she was alive. And then one
Speaker 1: day I was getting out of the shower hot and
Speaker 1: my hot five years old, five years old. Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: I take it back. My mom my mom go was cute.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm cute. Cute, always cute, always
Speaker 1: cute when you're five. And then my mom my mom,
Speaker 1: I don't know if my mom like withheld the news
Speaker 1: from me until like, no, she must it was nighttime
Speaker 1: and she was like Theresa Tang died. She and like
Speaker 1: she couldn't really explain to me, like what asthma was?
Speaker 1: I think, so she was like she had trouble breathing
Speaker 1: and anyway, it was just this like huge, huge, huge
Speaker 1: tragedy and like she was like Princess die like it was.
Speaker 1: It was. It was a crazy, crazy moment. She's like
Speaker 1: forty three when she passed away, And that is the
Speaker 1: truly sick separation of Eastern and Western culture because I
Speaker 1: had not even known of this person and you're saying
Speaker 1: she was like an complete icon and she dated Jackie Chan.
Speaker 1: Jackie Chan, Yeah, you know, like she was like the
Speaker 1: one full on like star, the one ship and anyway, um,
Speaker 1: but so I was talking about something with with um
Speaker 1: a friend and she brought her up and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. And I just went back and listened
Speaker 1: to her songs last night and like drifted off to
Speaker 1: sleep in this like eighties jazz rock, like we love
Speaker 1: it soundscape. It was beautiful. It's very sort of I
Speaker 1: would in the very limited time I've been exposed to her,
Speaker 1: I would describe her voice as Linda ntat esque, and
Speaker 1: I would describe very Karen Carpenter to pure tone, yes,
Speaker 1: slay and go off. And I would also go on
Speaker 1: to say that the voice is a rich alto voice,
Speaker 1: and I would recommend that everyone go out there and
Speaker 1: listen to Miss Teresa Tang And this singer reminds me
Speaker 1: of another singer. Do you have anything to to to
Speaker 1: kind of cap it off, I was gonna sort of
Speaker 1: um assist you with this this segue into well, I
Speaker 1: don't mean any thing, okay, sweetheart, all right, so you
Speaker 1: can just relax because I have this. I have this
Speaker 1: transition covered. So, speaking of singers, did you read I
Speaker 1: know the answer to this because you told me you didn't,
Speaker 1: But did you read the New York magazine piece this
Speaker 1: week on Miss Mariah? Well, it just came out today.
Speaker 1: Well for the listeners, it will have been out two days,
Speaker 1: which is why I was sort of, you know, doing
Speaker 1: podcast theater because yes, it did come out today Monday.
Speaker 1: But you know, this episode famously, Last schoolte Racist famously
Speaker 1: comes out on Wednesdays and has been from the beginning.
Speaker 1: Really um, but this piece su Mariah came out and
Speaker 1: there were some tidbits revealed, and I have to say something.
Speaker 1: It does relate to our guest because our guest, I'm
Speaker 1: happy to say, is in the Emily and our guest
Speaker 1: as a lamb. And I knew our guest was a
Speaker 1: lamb because I bought a record player, which some of
Speaker 1: my followers read me for being across. They said it
Speaker 1: was cheap, and I'm really I'm still sort of healing
Speaker 1: from that abuse that I took from my followers. And
Speaker 1: I understand that you want the best for me, but
Speaker 1: understand that's the best I can do right now at
Speaker 1: this moment is the Crossly and that's okay. And I
Speaker 1: had the album Mariah Carry number It was like, uh
Speaker 1: to an infinity, like it's like number one. Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: his most you're not an actual lamb. I shut up.
Speaker 1: You need to shut up. So also, by the way,
Speaker 1: this reminds me, oh no, it is there. I ordered
Speaker 1: Butterfly the album because that's my favorite Maria and I
Speaker 1: thought it didn't come, but it is there. Um. But
Speaker 1: I was listening to the song my all and our
Speaker 1: guest chimed in on the d M and said, this
Speaker 1: is the best Maria song and I have to agree.
Speaker 1: And there were some tidbits revealed in the New York
Speaker 1: magazine Peace that My all is about New York Yankees
Speaker 1: shortstop number two Derek Jeter. Wow, can you fucking believe
Speaker 1: she could have had? I mean, the parallels between her
Speaker 1: and j Lo are many. I think that kind of explained.
Speaker 1: There has to be like some like feud or wicked
Speaker 1: type of frame work around there. I love that we're
Speaker 1: moving away from the word word feud and we're just
Speaker 1: calling it a wicked type of framework, like a like
Speaker 1: a Broadway musical wicked. I said feud in the in
Speaker 1: the in the in the Ryan Murphy sense. No, it's actually,
Speaker 1: it's actually important that we say that as queer people,
Speaker 1: they're not feuds, they're wicked type situations. And that's actually
Speaker 1: a role of culture. It's it's real culture number sixties six.
Speaker 1: They're not feuds, they're wicked type situations. Now I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what's not wicked. I'll tell you what's good. Our guest, Now, Bowen,
Speaker 1: can you say a little bit about our guests before
Speaker 1: we bring them in and we can hear a little
Speaker 1: bit more about how they know Mariah and how they
Speaker 1: love Mariah and how they feel about Mariah and how
Speaker 1: they feel about Mariah. Just to take things off of course,
Speaker 1: our guest um is basically sort of doling out advice
Speaker 1: right now in a very digestible, sensible way. And I
Speaker 1: am like, fun follow, Well, you and I have talked
Speaker 1: about this. We're like, oh, like he is like he
Speaker 1: has like the asked Polly thing down, Like he is
Speaker 1: like giving out like stay noble advice, sage Lee Wisdom. Um,
Speaker 1: let's let's just say it. He nominated miss Alexandria Kaso
Speaker 1: Cortes to run for brand new Congress, who then backed
Speaker 1: her her run against Joe Crowley. Um, and she went
Speaker 1: on to win that seat. I mean you may know her,
Speaker 1: You may know her, readers, may know her. Readers may
Speaker 1: know her. Um. So you know, in a way, and
Speaker 1: whether or not he accepts this credit is not relevant
Speaker 1: to our sort of discourse right now. But like you know,
Speaker 1: we have him to think so um the fairy Godmother,
Speaker 1: not to call any queer person a fairy, but you
Speaker 1: know famously that we're taking it back. We're taking it back.
Speaker 1: We're actually taking back to fairy Bula bibbity Bobby Bookay,
Speaker 1: hot okay, hot okay. Five years old hot. Wow, I
Speaker 1: think it's time. It's time to bring in our guest. Everyone,
Speaker 1: please welcome into your ears. Gabriel. Hey everyone, Well, we're
Speaker 1: so excited to have you. And I have to say
Speaker 1: I was lit up on the inside when you responded
Speaker 1: to my story about Mariah's track My All. So I
Speaker 1: would very much like to start off by embarrassing myself.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing about my All is that you know,
Speaker 1: I was born in ninety two. I was born in
Speaker 1: late ninety two, so I'm basically ninety three, but ninety
Speaker 1: two sounds a little bit more g you know, right.
Speaker 1: So so I guess growing up as a kid, like
Speaker 1: there was so much prime music coming out in like
Speaker 1: ninety two is such a good era, wrenched ship right, yes,
Speaker 1: excess culture and like every sense. But I guess I
Speaker 1: remember my dad buying um going to f y e right,
Speaker 1: like rest in peace, f y you going out and
Speaker 1: buying seed East and he got I think it was
Speaker 1: um Whitney Houston's like it's not right, but it's okay,
Speaker 1: like with the right, and he like yes that hand
Speaker 1: and she's like crouched down and she's like smiling. But
Speaker 1: you know, the title is like it's not right, it's
Speaker 1: about it's okay, and it doesn't really match. But you're like,
Speaker 1: Whitney me for a gift exactly. It's like she sold it,
Speaker 1: like argued that somebody like Vibes would just like made
Speaker 1: it like Rihanna, like the Bridge, the Bridge. But I
Speaker 1: guess I just remember hearing my all around the same
Speaker 1: time as that, and for some reason it got penned
Speaker 1: in my head as a Whitney Houston song And it
Speaker 1: wasn't like a few months ago that I guess, like
Speaker 1: it was on a YouTube mix or like a title
Speaker 1: mix that I put on, and I'm like, I was like,
Speaker 1: there's no way, that's just Whitney Houston. I'm like, how
Speaker 1: did I not give her like the credit for this?
Speaker 1: But it's I'd say, I think it's her. I think
Speaker 1: it's her best song. I would have to agree it
Speaker 1: is a vocal triumph and also enough for nothing. But
Speaker 1: you can't judge yourself for getting all those things confused
Speaker 1: because the girls were really piling it on in the
Speaker 1: late nineties. There was a lot of stuff. There was
Speaker 1: a lot of good stuff happening, especially especially I believe
Speaker 1: in the pop R and B segment. Yeah, to talk
Speaker 1: about Mariah, I do want to say that shake it Off.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that that was never a number one, So
Speaker 1: she blocked herself from becoming number one because of Touched
Speaker 1: My Body. Oh damn, you know it is true. Shake
Speaker 1: it Off is. I wouldn't go as far as to say,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna throw Taylor Swift under the damn proverbial bus.
Speaker 1: It is the superior shaken Off. And if we were
Speaker 1: to have a battle of the shake it Offs, Mariah
Speaker 1: shaken Off would come out on top. But this is
Speaker 1: my theory is that if you had put shake it
Speaker 1: Off on a different album than Emancipation of Mimi, it
Speaker 1: would have stood out. But the fact that chacaof was
Speaker 1: on Emancipation of Mimi, it was just there was just
Speaker 1: so much good. There was a wealth of of of
Speaker 1: stuff in that album. So it's like it kind of
Speaker 1: got lost in the shuffle. I would say, would you
Speaker 1: would you? Would you support that? Both of you that
Speaker 1: that that claim. I think that I think she knew
Speaker 1: that one of the bangers on there was just gonna
Speaker 1: have to suffer. I just didn't think she thought it
Speaker 1: was going to be that one, right, you know to
Speaker 1: track on that is stay of the Night. You keep
Speaker 1: saying stay and not one of the favorite songs or
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, I mean were recently. It's like her.
Speaker 1: Her pr people are doing a great job, you know,
Speaker 1: like always, very consistent. Always. The pandemic is probably good
Speaker 1: for her. She doesn't have to really leave the house.
Speaker 1: She's very on brand, you know. Yes, it's very un brand.
Speaker 1: Very they do. They go into it in the piece
Speaker 1: the top about the piece in the New York magazine
Speaker 1: piece that came out today, it's like her. This is
Speaker 1: her quarantine squad. It's like her, like a couple assistants,
Speaker 1: her hair person and Brian Tanaka, who did you guys
Speaker 1: watch the reality show about Maria. I watched them episodes,
Speaker 1: so there was like a reality of it came out
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and she started dating her
Speaker 1: backup dancer named Brian Tanaka, and everyone was like, there's
Speaker 1: no way this is a real thing. He's like so
Speaker 1: much younger than her, etcetera. Well, the New York Magazine
Speaker 1: piece reveals that he is living with them in quarantine
Speaker 1: with her kids, Rock and Row, Moroccan and Monroe, who
Speaker 1: it seemed to be very happy in their quarantine because
Speaker 1: they're living in upstate New York, which no one knew.
Speaker 1: And apparently it's the house that she used to live
Speaker 1: in with Tommy Motola years and years and years ago
Speaker 1: and she's now reclaimed it. So there's a lot going
Speaker 1: on here here here, this is where I'm going to
Speaker 1: actually pause you, because interesting is that we lived in
Speaker 1: part of Yorktown that basically was only a few minutes
Speaker 1: away from a few other towns because it happened to
Speaker 1: be like on the corner of a four town, like
Speaker 1: a little like four square, right, So cutting through to
Speaker 1: another town, we would actually go on the road that
Speaker 1: had Maria Carry's house on it. But the house like
Speaker 1: mysteriously burned down in a very like Sopranos like type
Speaker 1: of way. Come. So, as far as I understand it
Speaker 1: is that like the only thing that's left there is
Speaker 1: like ashes, just like that's it. Like I think somebody
Speaker 1: bought the land or something like that. Basically, my understanding
Speaker 1: is that it was suspicious because it was basically too
Speaker 1: big of a house and that they wouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to offload it anytime soon. So some people have lead
Speaker 1: it out to be obviously it was just an act
Speaker 1: of God outside of anyone's control. But of course, of course,
Speaker 1: just like every thing that happens to Maria, yes, honestly unbelievable. Okay,
Speaker 1: so maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong, and it wasn't the house,
Speaker 1: but it was like she's in upstate New York, which
Speaker 1: is like I guess where some like tortured memories for
Speaker 1: her are sure, But like how baked into the lower
Speaker 1: of Yorktown was the Maria house? Would you say while
Speaker 1: you were growing up there? Um it was? It was
Speaker 1: a town over and at the time, Um, I don't
Speaker 1: even think that they Basically, it's funny. The way things
Speaker 1: are in Westchester is that it's it's literally you know,
Speaker 1: old egg and new egg, right like Gatsby style, it
Speaker 1: is old Egg. It's it's the old money in that
Speaker 1: area where she actually was because I was a brokeer,
Speaker 1: Um there only until like recently, and basically the more
Speaker 1: money that there is in the area, the less streets
Speaker 1: and the less street signs, less paving basically just turns
Speaker 1: into like back roads. So you try to know that,
Speaker 1: like Mariah lives somewhere on like this mountain, but you know,
Speaker 1: there's it's it's the same sort of like idea of
Speaker 1: just like nepotism if you know, you know, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, So you couldn't get there without actually
Speaker 1: knowing someone, especially back in the nineties. Sure, okay, you're
Speaker 1: you were a broker up until recently. How do you
Speaker 1: feel about this sort of new genre of reality TV
Speaker 1: where it's just real estate is like the main fixture.
Speaker 1: It really is happening on Netflix, it is. I mean,
Speaker 1: I haven't watched Selling Sunset just because I would watch
Speaker 1: HDTV and it would drive me insane because it would
Speaker 1: be like, hey, like, you know, my name's Chris, and
Speaker 1: I like shove a fork in the wall, and like
Speaker 1: my wife eats crayons, and our budgets like three million
Speaker 1: dollars and they see, you know, and they see like
Speaker 1: three houses, and the brokers like you know, only changed once,
Speaker 1: as if it's like a two day thing, and then
Speaker 1: like they buy the house, and I'm like and everybody's like, oh,
Speaker 1: brokers are just like they don't have to work for
Speaker 1: their money, and I'm just like, no, what is going
Speaker 1: on a lot of our friends out of college became
Speaker 1: brokers or showers. And we had a friend Billy Domino,
Speaker 1: he would mind if we said this. But on his
Speaker 1: business cards it said he didn't have the licenses or whatever.
Speaker 1: So his his his title on his business cards was
Speaker 1: shower but raised this shower, which is which is just
Speaker 1: kind of so funny to me. But it's it's the
Speaker 1: it's such a hard job. It's a difficult line of work.
Speaker 1: You have to grind all day, is my understanding. It's
Speaker 1: literally seven like you constantly, if you don't pick up
Speaker 1: that phone, you're losing money. It's that simple. That's the
Speaker 1: mill that's the millennial condition. Though it's like there's no
Speaker 1: boundary between work and no work exactly. It ties directly
Speaker 1: into just the gig economy. Mm hmmm. And we're all
Speaker 1: we're all sort of victims to it. I don't know,
Speaker 1: were you always Did you do that right out of
Speaker 1: school or did you do do the service industry route
Speaker 1: as well? Oh, I mean I've had so many service
Speaker 1: industry jobs, Like I've made um the not keep Mara,
Speaker 1: I mean Camera's coffee, I mean c almost coffee. I
Speaker 1: need the coffee of Kate Mara right after American Horror Story,
Speaker 1: just so you know. So it was like it was
Speaker 1: like launching off. I'm pretty sure she had Runey in
Speaker 1: the in the in the car outside or whatever. I
Speaker 1: didn't even recognize her. And my manager like the second
Speaker 1: she walked away, He's like, do you know who that is?
Speaker 1: And I'm like he were like the medium, like milk
Speaker 1: and sugar, Like that's who that person is. That her
Speaker 1: dad on the jets, And I'm like, if Rooney Mara
Speaker 1: had come in, you probably would have known a million percent.
Speaker 1: You got that kind of like energy, kind of like
Speaker 1: Ricardo tib On. She like the lightn flicker, a little
Speaker 1: bit like louky paranormal. You know what I'm saying. Respected? Respect,
Speaker 1: Oh I was? I mean if in the Battle of
Speaker 1: the mar Sisters, there is there is no doubt who
Speaker 1: reigned supreme. However, I do always give credit to Kate
Speaker 1: Mara because she is very affecting. In the last scene
Speaker 1: I broke back Mountain and people forget that. Did you
Speaker 1: watch the first season? Opposed? Was she? Yes, she was unposed,
Speaker 1: she played she was James ander BIG's wife. No, Evan,
Speaker 1: you're getting you, You're getting your white men of pose
Speaker 1: mixed up my Ryde white Man. Yeah, Evan Peters's wife
Speaker 1: and Evan Peters is having an affair with India Moore
Speaker 1: and so then they're not in the second season, probably
Speaker 1: because they couldn't find much much fun to be had
Speaker 1: with them anymore. After the first season of Boats. I
Speaker 1: liked her the best in House of Cards. I think
Speaker 1: she's she got pushed in front of that damn train
Speaker 1: and what a shock it was, what a shock of wait? Wait,
Speaker 1: how is how? What was Cuoma's order? Do you remember? Um?
Speaker 1: I remember, I was just it was a little bit
Speaker 1: weird or caught me off, like he but the way
Speaker 1: he has has that like stern face in the person. Actually,
Speaker 1: the person that I worked with it in her name
Speaker 1: was like a Manda at the time, and she was
Speaker 1: in law school and she was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's Quoma and I'm just like okay, and she's like
Speaker 1: I'm in law school and I'm like help me out here.
Speaker 1: She's like like, it would be cool if like I
Speaker 1: could work for him. I'm like, you should ask him
Speaker 1: and she's like no, I'm like do it or I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask him. So she actually asked him and immediately
Speaker 1: he pulls out a card and he's like, here you
Speaker 1: go call my office. And she ended up immediately getting
Speaker 1: a job. What. Okay, there's a there's a theme popping
Speaker 1: up where you're just kind of facilitating all of these
Speaker 1: like the local nobility and and wow wow wait okay,
Speaker 1: before before we talk about anything else, I have a
Speaker 1: bone to pick with you about Dike Cooke where you
Speaker 1: posted to your stories recently that Dike Cooke was the
Speaker 1: taste of gay sadness. And I had to retort and say,
Speaker 1: to some of us, it's the taste of gay joy.
Speaker 1: Why do you associate die cook with sadness? And I
Speaker 1: don't don't bring no, don't bring now to this like
Speaker 1: high fructress corn syrup like thing into the discourse. Please,
Speaker 1: Why is it sad to you? What diet product is
Speaker 1: happy to you? Diet coke, which essentially, please please talk
Speaker 1: bowing out of consuming diet coke for good, because I've
Speaker 1: dealt with this for years. It is so sad because
Speaker 1: it's also it tastes objectively better than regular coke. You're
Speaker 1: so it is a falsity, No, just ok, But what
Speaker 1: is what is the difference between diet coke and coke
Speaker 1: zero that people that that love diet coke stand. It's
Speaker 1: so hard that they're not willing to talk about coke
Speaker 1: zero because no, because this is the thing with coke zero.
Speaker 1: The reason coke zero was brought into existence was because
Speaker 1: it was going to be a zero calorie caffeiney to
Speaker 1: drink that tasted more like coke than diet coke. They
Speaker 1: were trying to market correct diet coke to be more
Speaker 1: like regular coke, but there was no need for that,
Speaker 1: and so that's why coke zero sucks, and no one
Speaker 1: stands coke zero the way that people stand diet coke.
Speaker 1: Do you guys understand? No, I don't understand, and you're
Speaker 1: not gonna just because you're speaking forcefully, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: get me on board with diet coke over coke zero,
Speaker 1: which tastes exactly like real coke but a zero calorie.
Speaker 1: I think the reason people like diet cocus because it
Speaker 1: just has a higher vogue association. You're basically exactly, you're
Speaker 1: showing other people that you're happy being unhappy, and that's
Speaker 1: more moss than that, you know what I'm saying. Yes,
Speaker 1: the deprivation of it all, the chicness that comes with
Speaker 1: like only a little it's austerity signaling is that what
Speaker 1: you come up within your term. But I don't think
Speaker 1: that's true. I just diet coke because it's zero calories
Speaker 1: and it tastes great and it's got that fun little
Speaker 1: aspartame taste. I just don't know. I don't understand, and
Speaker 1: I can't believe. Here on Lost Cultureations, we're doing a
Speaker 1: coke versus diet coke conversation. But this is where, this
Speaker 1: is where you have led us to, and this is
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna say. Diet coke is not as good
Speaker 1: as coke. It's just not. And there's nothing you could do,
Speaker 1: no lines or lemons you could put in it that's
Speaker 1: gonna change my mind. But you both of you. Matt
Speaker 1: first of all, Matt is doing that girl from the
Speaker 1: more show. There's nothing my stupid mom could do to
Speaker 1: change my mind. Wait what did she say then, my
Speaker 1: stupid mother could do to change my mind? My mind
Speaker 1: to Victoria? Victoria fourteen years old then was gonna have
Speaker 1: a baby, and I'm gonna have a baby, And she did,
Speaker 1: she did have a baby. But she seems like well
Speaker 1: adjusted now like I think Morey did, like where are
Speaker 1: they now? Feature like in recent years, and she seems
Speaker 1: like chill, and she's just like, well, wherever she is,
Speaker 1: we hope the best for her. But you are don't
Speaker 1: think I don't know what you're doing misdirecting about this
Speaker 1: diet coke because you've lost this is the diet coke thing.
Speaker 1: You both of you don't understand the wave of people
Speaker 1: who are firmly in the diet coke camp. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: it's just, it's it's out there. It's it's a it's
Speaker 1: a silent majority. It's you and Taylor Swift, and you
Speaker 1: both scream. You're not silent at all. And neither of
Speaker 1: you will ever do the super Bowl because that's, of
Speaker 1: course the Pepsi product because of our exclusivity with diet coke.
Speaker 1: That's right, That's right. Well, so can I say sorry,
Speaker 1: but me and Gabriel gonna go do this super Bowl. Now,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and then we'll come right back. Okay,
Speaker 1: and we're back with Gabriel Kaser Cortez. I want to
Speaker 1: ask just or or no, just. I want to get
Speaker 1: maybe this firsthand account of the sequence of events that
Speaker 1: let you to nominate your sister to be UNS, because
Speaker 1: this is so pivotal to me and like it kind
Speaker 1: of gets glossed over, I think in her narrative a
Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, yes, general society could probably benefit
Speaker 1: from talking about me a little bit more. That's what
Speaker 1: you're saying. That's what I was. That's literally the way
Speaker 1: we felt. I understand. I totally get it. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it was, um, it definitely all started. I
Speaker 1: fee like two thousand eight. I feel like there was
Speaker 1: pre two thousand eight, and then post two thousand eight,
Speaker 1: and um, me and my sister we lost our father
Speaker 1: September two eight, and then of course, you know, this
Speaker 1: economy decided just to like totally take a left. So
Speaker 1: we were left in a position where it's entirely fan
Speaker 1: for yourself. UM, and my mom's you know, working a
Speaker 1: clean houses. I'm barely a junior in high school, and
Speaker 1: my sister's a freshman, um in college. And it was
Speaker 1: just a totally totally rough spot. But as we start
Speaker 1: to um, you know, see two, where we get to
Speaker 1: the point where you know, I'm in my car and
Speaker 1: the rain, and I only pulled over because I hate
Speaker 1: driving in the rain, so I just I hate I'll
Speaker 1: take the snow, I'll take a blizzard anything, but the rain,
Speaker 1: So I pull over and while I'm actually killing time
Speaker 1: in the rain, I nominate my sister. And that's that's
Speaker 1: how it all started. Yeah, in twenty six No, how
Speaker 1: did you know about Brand New Congress. Well, it was everybody. Um,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people that were following Bernie
Speaker 1: Sanders at the time. We're sort of following the main
Speaker 1: message that he was sending, which was that you know,
Speaker 1: even if we get Hillary or Trump, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: if you want to see actual change, it has to
Speaker 1: come through Congress. It has to come through the senators.
Speaker 1: So there was an organization that was tied to Bernie
Speaker 1: Sanders campaign with a parallel and they were called Brand
Speaker 1: New Congress, and they were basically looking for nominations so
Speaker 1: that they could, you know, see whose names are being
Speaker 1: brought in, talk to everyone, and sort of see if
Speaker 1: they're able to place one person in that aligns with
Speaker 1: their values in every congressional district. And I remember just
Speaker 1: I think I probably made my sister sound like like
Speaker 1: she could probably part the seat. I was very adamant about,
Speaker 1: like you better call her. I was like, wow, I
Speaker 1: was like, give her five minutes. I was like, if
Speaker 1: it isn't worth your time. I'll pay you, but give
Speaker 1: her five minutes. I was like, before you say no,
Speaker 1: call her. And I went on and I was like,
Speaker 1: you have to speak with her. I was like, I
Speaker 1: will put because the thing about me and and what
Speaker 1: I also said in this was that I don't blindly
Speaker 1: co sign anyone. You know, if if somebody asked me
Speaker 1: for for me to put my name on something, I
Speaker 1: don't take that lightly. And I pretty much put that down.
Speaker 1: And I said, you know, I'll put every piece of
Speaker 1: credibility that I have on the table if that means
Speaker 1: that you'll call her and that you'll talk to her. UM.
Speaker 1: And I said that I don't take that lightly. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm willing to put my entire being on the line. Um.
Speaker 1: And they they heard it, and then I went from there.
Speaker 1: I mean, and this is the thing is that I
Speaker 1: feel like she has even like vocalized this thing where
Speaker 1: she was like, I never really visualized this sort of
Speaker 1: life for myself, this path for myself, And and that
Speaker 1: makes me want to ask you, like and just in
Speaker 1: terms of like in the context of like let's just
Speaker 1: say like gay solipsism or gay like self centeredness, like
Speaker 1: but why like like what like, why her instead of you?
Speaker 1: You know, like, I mean what makes like what like,
Speaker 1: what were the qualitative things in her that you were like,
Speaker 1: she is perfect for this over like somewhere We're like,
Speaker 1: we're I'm sure a lot of people they were probably
Speaker 1: fielding a lot of nominations from people who were like, hey,
Speaker 1: I could probably do this because I know what I'm
Speaker 1: capable of, blah blah. Bright We're like, hey, I'm a
Speaker 1: confident person, so I'm ready to represent like a couple
Speaker 1: of million people. Um, So it's it's definitely. I can
Speaker 1: only imagine, you know that the selection process that they
Speaker 1: had to go through with with just a sheer number
Speaker 1: of people, you can't get back to eleven thousand I
Speaker 1: think submissions something like that. Um yeah, I get this question.
Speaker 1: A lot of just sort of like why not you?
Speaker 1: And I guess it just came down to it just
Speaker 1: wasn't a path that I was looking for in my
Speaker 1: personal life. And you know, I when I nominated her,
Speaker 1: I nominated her knowing that very well, if it worked out,
Speaker 1: it could be the end of my career in real estate,
Speaker 1: It could be the end of a lot of things,
Speaker 1: because I very much understood that things just shake. You know,
Speaker 1: when you shake, the table shakes it back. That's just reality.
Speaker 1: But the need for what she fights for was just
Speaker 1: worth it. It's always worth it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I felt like I knew that if given the opportunity,
Speaker 1: she would be able to take it to a level
Speaker 1: that either I couldn't take it to or that I
Speaker 1: couldn't keep it up, because that just wasn't you know,
Speaker 1: the line of work um and level of dedication that
Speaker 1: I was ready to give something, especially when other people's
Speaker 1: lives around the balance, It's just not something that you
Speaker 1: can play around with. I will never forget seeing her
Speaker 1: campaign video. I was actually I was living in Green
Speaker 1: Point at the time, and so it's just a little
Speaker 1: bit ways away from where where she represents. But I'll
Speaker 1: never forget seeing it. There was just an energy about
Speaker 1: it where she clearly was like bigger than the moment,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't for me. It was not not a
Speaker 1: thing of will she what will she do with the
Speaker 1: sea when she gets nominate, when she gets elected? But
Speaker 1: how far will it go? And we're seeing it go
Speaker 1: to such a crazy place. So I guess for me
Speaker 1: as a brother, it would be kind of crazy to
Speaker 1: watch my sister become a celebrity in this way to
Speaker 1: the point where everyone has an opinion on her. How
Speaker 1: do you deal with that? Because it's to the point
Speaker 1: now where she's on the news no matter what channel,
Speaker 1: it is like being picked apart by whether it's the left,
Speaker 1: the right, wherever. It's kind of seems like everyone has
Speaker 1: an agenda with her. So what is that like to watch? Uh,
Speaker 1: it's tough. It's definitely a lot easier um, but I'd say,
Speaker 1: you know, especially right after she won the primary, and
Speaker 1: it was just like, of course, no no overnight celebrities
Speaker 1: ever overnight. This is obviously a lot of literal blood,
Speaker 1: hears um and nothing but good intentions. And that's that's
Speaker 1: all it's ever been, and that's all Little ever remained
Speaker 1: to be. But you know, it was it was crazy
Speaker 1: that I blinked and like I had eighteen voicemails from
Speaker 1: like CNN and Fox and all these random things. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot. It's weird. I do like that
Speaker 1: everybody knows how to pronounce my name though major time
Speaker 1: save it's like like not to get cocky, but it's like,
Speaker 1: you know how to say my name. I don't have
Speaker 1: to tell you anything. And the people that are still
Speaker 1: pretending that they don't are like the truest fools ever,
Speaker 1: Like like the hangers on at Fox News like that
Speaker 1: are like okazy oh corties like being crazy. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, how to say their name a million percent.
Speaker 1: It's like the cartoon evil characters whenever they give them
Speaker 1: that like weird Eastern European like evil accent, like it's like, no, stop, um,
Speaker 1: it's a bondell In. But yeah, I mean it's it's
Speaker 1: it's weird too that the level of um just known
Speaker 1: that she became was so huge, Because most people at
Speaker 1: least have you become an overnight celebrity, it's fractional to
Speaker 1: what she got. So it was just she's one of
Speaker 1: the most famous people in America. It's insane, totally insane. Um, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's weird. It's still something that I that
Speaker 1: I have to sort of get a reality check with
Speaker 1: once in a while for sure. What also sticks out
Speaker 1: to me is that you know or is like b
Speaker 1: n C are like meant to like you know, policy
Speaker 1: coach and the media train. Um, these people that they're
Speaker 1: backing but I feel like she kind of was like
Speaker 1: ready to issue, Like she was like ready to go
Speaker 1: as soon as she was out there, and like and
Speaker 1: even she to the point where she is now even
Speaker 1: like coaching people um in Congress about like social media,
Speaker 1: and it's like just just use it authentically, Like if
Speaker 1: you're like a mom who likes to guarden, be a
Speaker 1: mom who likes to garden. Don't be like some like
Speaker 1: pandering to the youth like person. Like it seems like
Speaker 1: she's able to get to some core like philosophy with
Speaker 1: social media that other people just haven't been able to
Speaker 1: figure out. But it's this resp bondsive. It's just very
Speaker 1: like deep, like really really really like organic kind of
Speaker 1: like use that she's sort of like kind of executing
Speaker 1: on or whatever. But like she like anytime she tweets,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like this event. It's like and not
Speaker 1: in the same like parallel way as like Trump, but
Speaker 1: like in this way that's like, oh wait, like let's
Speaker 1: lean in, like what is she's saying today? And that's
Speaker 1: kind of what's most remarkable. Yeah, See, the thing is
Speaker 1: that that's funny is that you know, you you hear
Speaker 1: about her giving classes, you know and and Senate rooms
Speaker 1: and teaching other people that are responsible for other amounts
Speaker 1: of Americans how to communicate with them. And it's weird
Speaker 1: because of course I see it one way, but I'm
Speaker 1: sure that you know, anybody else is not related to
Speaker 1: a politician just must wonder like why is she so good?
Speaker 1: And why are they not so good? And here's the
Speaker 1: thing is that it's not to knock her down and
Speaker 1: see that she doesn't have skills. Obviously she does. The
Speaker 1: reality is that other senators and other congressmen and congresswomen
Speaker 1: are not able to um be authentic because they're paid for.
Speaker 1: You know, if somebody has a vested interest in in
Speaker 1: what you say and you have ventured interest in their
Speaker 1: best benefits because they're funding you, you can't ever speak
Speaker 1: without thinking about what you say eight times. And if
Speaker 1: that's how you are, I mean, especially like any millennial,
Speaker 1: like typing something out ten times before you hit sent.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, even when it's totally authentic.
Speaker 1: Imagine when you know you're not aligned with the interests
Speaker 1: of the people, you know, you're gonna be typing it
Speaker 1: out fifty times and never hitting send because you don't
Speaker 1: want to get canceled. You know what I'm saying, It's
Speaker 1: just this perpetual fear of the inevitable um judgment day.
Speaker 1: When you have so many like shareholders in your job,
Speaker 1: it becomes sort of this like paralyzing thing to act
Speaker 1: on any sort of like impulsive thing that like is
Speaker 1: supposed to align with something moral or something like I
Speaker 1: don't know, like something like clear. I mean the whole
Speaker 1: Ed Markey thing. I feel like Ed Markey would not
Speaker 1: sort of have proven his like progressive bone of fee
Speaker 1: days without ao c s like sort of like without
Speaker 1: that partnership in the Green New Deal, because I because
Speaker 1: I feel like what Joe Kennedy's doing now is like
Speaker 1: vouluying all these things at him that are like, um,
Speaker 1: you know, he's kind of like buying because he used
Speaker 1: to he was tough on crime and he like you know,
Speaker 1: back to the Crime Bill in the nineties, and he
Speaker 1: you know, was for like you know, he was like
Speaker 1: against integrating schools like back in the day, and he
Speaker 1: like supported the Iraq War. But it's like, oh, but
Speaker 1: all of that sort of becomes irrelevant because Ed Markey
Speaker 1: is sort of proven himself in some progressive way by
Speaker 1: you know, co sponsoring the Green New Deal and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Definitely, here's my problem with Joe Kennedy is
Speaker 1: that Joe Kennedy is doing all of this for Eagle
Speaker 1: and you can like, I will, I will happily help.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm adding him on a daily basis on
Speaker 1: Twitter basically person like I'll retreat Like here, here's the
Speaker 1: thing with Joe Kennedy is that he's basically saying, vote
Speaker 1: for me because my family has helped you. He's basically saying,
Speaker 1: bring back in the dynasty because obviously when we elect
Speaker 1: outside of the dynasty, things just go Awryna seems so crazy,
Speaker 1: pick me, you know me And here here's where here's
Speaker 1: what scares me about Joe Kennedy because people, especially younger voters, um,
Speaker 1: if they're not necessarily super engaged, but they're just trying
Speaker 1: to get engaged. What happens is that you know, you
Speaker 1: have like my sister's um her first campaign run with
Speaker 1: her sort of visual style, and that got stolen by progressive.
Speaker 1: Its fine because it was a blueprint. That's what happens
Speaker 1: when you create something so um, so intrinsically unique, that's
Speaker 1: so many people respond to. It's going to imprint itself.
Speaker 1: But Joe Kennedy is a biter because here's what he's
Speaker 1: trying to do is that he's taking this blueprint of
Speaker 1: sort of this visual language, and he's basically saying I'm young,
Speaker 1: I'm a Kennedy and sort of walking the walk in
Speaker 1: the way that looks right on camera. And basically he's
Speaker 1: trying to move people. He's trying to sway voters by
Speaker 1: saying Ed Markey's too old, he can't be progressive. So
Speaker 1: here's how I'm gonna smear him, and I hope that
Speaker 1: I make it. Meanwhile, the other um JFK grandson is
Speaker 1: not even following Joe Kennedy on on Instagram or Twitter
Speaker 1: and is publicly supporting Ed Markey. So if you can't
Speaker 1: even get to Kennedy's in the same family to agree
Speaker 1: on a candidate, then who are you to convince me
Speaker 1: you can't even get your cousin to vote for you. Oh,
Speaker 1: just facts are facts, you know. It's just the thing
Speaker 1: I feel is like I can't say that two years ago,
Speaker 1: three years ago, I wouldn't have been one of those
Speaker 1: people that didn't see a younger person on the ticket,
Speaker 1: a name I knew that was a soociated with democratic
Speaker 1: values and check that name, because why wouldn't you. I
Speaker 1: don't know who this older person is. I don't know
Speaker 1: the policy. But the thing is that's changed, I think
Speaker 1: in the past eighteen months to two years and maybe
Speaker 1: even progressively throughout the Trump administration, is that on a
Speaker 1: wider scale, people are understanding the policy itself. And also
Speaker 1: all they have to do is follow the endorsements, like
Speaker 1: ed Monkey has every progressive endorsement that you could possibly want,
Speaker 1: so really the question of who to follow there is
Speaker 1: pretty clear. And also the thing that's been great about
Speaker 1: social media, I think is like people do get fired
Speaker 1: up about it because people do see very clearly through
Speaker 1: what Kennedy is doing. And I do think that that
Speaker 1: is one that one good thing about, you know, social
Speaker 1: media and the media being so sensitive, is you really
Speaker 1: can't hide anymore no matter because people can find things.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's always only a matter of time, right
Speaker 1: And ultimately you look at the two records compared, and
Speaker 1: it's almost it's it might as well be like a
Speaker 1: Republican running, you know what I mean. At this point,
Speaker 1: it's like if if we're going to turn the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party into what we needed to be. Then in races
Speaker 1: like this primary, where we have a choice, we will
Speaker 1: pick the more progressive option. We will fight for the
Speaker 1: more progressive option. You know, in the general we're going
Speaker 1: to be voting for Biden and Harris because that's all
Speaker 1: we have. But in these primary races like we have
Speaker 1: to be putting all of our energy into supporting, donating to,
Speaker 1: and elevating these truly progressive candidates. And I think that
Speaker 1: that that we've seen a see change in the way
Speaker 1: that works lately in a way that's encouraging definitely. The
Speaker 1: The interesting thing about the the Massachusetts rights that this
Speaker 1: is the marquee races that which will be decided about
Speaker 1: the time it comes out, it will be decided, but hopefully.
Speaker 1: But the thing is that it's an incumbent who is
Speaker 1: the more progressive candidate. But it's sort of the inverted
Speaker 1: thing we've we've seen mostly be inverted thing like between
Speaker 1: Joe Crowley. See it's like the incumbent is sort of
Speaker 1: to the right or whatever or with them with Corey
Speaker 1: and and the Clay Clay yeah class like you know
Speaker 1: you have I mean, this is like a this is
Speaker 1: a fun sort of like fun house mirror version of
Speaker 1: like all of that, plus it's set against this like
Speaker 1: crazy political dynasty um and just the fact that it's
Speaker 1: in the same state as this Alex Moore stuff, which
Speaker 1: is also what do you which I saw you were
Speaker 1: posting about today? Definitely, definitely. So it's so it's but
Speaker 1: speaking of like everything will come out, like even when
Speaker 1: it comes out, it's like if it's improperly weaponized or used,
Speaker 1: it fully backfires. I think, I hope, and I don't
Speaker 1: gonna need to explain what this is to the readers. Okay,
Speaker 1: might not? Yeah, do you mind? Do you want to? Definitely?
Speaker 1: So here's here's what was that. We have Alex Morris
Speaker 1: who's running against Richard Neil in Massachusetts. Massachusetts is first
Speaker 1: m one right okay, and he's running again Richard Neil,
Speaker 1: who is the head of the Committee on Ways and Means,
Speaker 1: and essentially Richard Neil is being bankrolled by tons of
Speaker 1: dark money and essentially he's the main reason why Medicare
Speaker 1: for All can't go forward. He's the main reason why
Speaker 1: the tail can't go forward because he essentially presents it
Speaker 1: in a way that there are no weas or means
Speaker 1: for it. To occur, right, So the thing about Richard
Speaker 1: Neil is that um, although there isn't any proof to it,
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna get myself caught up in a
Speaker 1: bad sound bite, is that there is an investigation that
Speaker 1: has come out after some people have claimed that encounters
Speaker 1: on dating apps with Alex that they entered into and
Speaker 1: continued in totally of their own accord. We're making them uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Although Alex was never notified of this. Mr Morse was
Speaker 1: never notified of this, and they get represented in a
Speaker 1: letter written by an attorney from the Massachusetts Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: So we have the system essentially aligning UM, and it
Speaker 1: very much reads as if the established power, which reflects
Speaker 1: Richard Neil, is going ahead and creating UM and fabricating
Speaker 1: untrue things in order to defeat a progressive opponent. And you'll,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you haven't seen the debates between Mr
Speaker 1: Neil and Mr Morris, they're very good, and it's so
Speaker 1: easy to see that Alex is under his skin without
Speaker 1: raising his voice, without doing anything other than state the facts.
Speaker 1: And when stating the facts is killing someone, Obviously, that's
Speaker 1: something that you have to pay attention to. Absolutely, and
Speaker 1: also just It's just so interesting to me how the
Speaker 1: rules seem to not apply to the establishment, and like
Speaker 1: the pearl clutching that goes on about anything that progressives do,
Speaker 1: such as you know, Pelosi's endorsement of Kennedy. Correct. And
Speaker 1: here's the important thing about that is that she said, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to support anybody that's going against an incumbent.
Speaker 1: She said that, and that was supposed to be her
Speaker 1: general policy. That's funny enough. She's like, um, too progressive,
Speaker 1: Like why then do we need a planet anyways? And
Speaker 1: why why is support the Green New Deal. Let me
Speaker 1: just go ahead, go back on what I said and
Speaker 1: go ahead and support the family dynasty candidate who is
Speaker 1: young but going against his own future of the planet
Speaker 1: for the sake of just achieving some kind of you know, fantasy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: someone that has a job already, dude, Like, get out
Speaker 1: this funk out. Losing your ship over the Green New
Speaker 1: Deal is so embarrassing to me because wait for it,
Speaker 1: it's just a resolution. It's just a set of guidelines
Speaker 1: that are like putting a north Star out there to
Speaker 1: be like, let's have zero carbon emissions by this year.
Speaker 1: Like it's that's all it's doing. It's not saying we're
Speaker 1: taking these jobs away. It's not saying we're like fucking
Speaker 1: shut up. It's saying, hey, this is a goal goal setting.
Speaker 1: It's just exactly and that's all it is. And the
Speaker 1: fact that you have these establishment democrats like wanting to
Speaker 1: like melt down over it and like backing from their
Speaker 1: word and endorsing these like primary challengers is so so
Speaker 1: so like infuriating and pathetic to me. But the Alex
Speaker 1: Moore thing, I know, but like, I mean, Gabe, you
Speaker 1: do you nailed it? Uh. The thing that the petty
Speaker 1: thing that I want to bring up is the person
Speaker 1: who unearthed all of these tender exchanges between Alex Morris's
Speaker 1: and these um her students was this guy who took
Speaker 1: one of Richard Neil's classes I think at am Hurst
Speaker 1: and was like, I want him to get get me
Speaker 1: a job. And that's why I am. It's motivated by
Speaker 1: this like dumb neoliberal thing of like, oh, there's there's
Speaker 1: something to gain out of this, so let me like
Speaker 1: go out of my way. I mean, you know, somebody's
Speaker 1: got to be judas, somebody's gonna be bought, somebody's gonna
Speaker 1: be paid for most for there's so few exceptions that
Speaker 1: I just do have to say that everyone has a price,
Speaker 1: and for some people it's it's nothing more than fifty
Speaker 1: grand a year in benefits. Granted, you know it's not
Speaker 1: I'm not knocking that because so many people out there
Speaker 1: are suffering and that could be the difference between them
Speaker 1: and their kids having insurance. And you know, it's it
Speaker 1: is life changing for some people. But when you look
Speaker 1: at you know who these people are and what they're
Speaker 1: actually selling it for, and the money that they come from,
Speaker 1: and the established power that they already have, they're really
Speaker 1: selling it for nothing. Yeah, I just I have to
Speaker 1: ask because it's covered a lot in Knockdown the House
Speaker 1: in the documentary, which is actually how we found out
Speaker 1: that it was you that nominated your sister to brand
Speaker 1: new Congress. But they talk about how once you start
Speaker 1: to show promise are once you start to show a
Speaker 1: challenge to the establishment, the establishment will then come in
Speaker 1: and sort of offer you a job and try to
Speaker 1: offer you the world. Do you think that that's something
Speaker 1: that your sister has dealt with. I think that they
Speaker 1: have to see you as a threat in order to
Speaker 1: offer that to you. First, and I think they looked
Speaker 1: at her and they were like, she's you know, just
Speaker 1: like some bitch from the Bronx, right, just something they
Speaker 1: just didn't and it's like, what could she know? What
Speaker 1: could she do? But the thing is that it was
Speaker 1: never about her or she It wasn't it wasn't about
Speaker 1: an individual. It was always about the fact that she
Speaker 1: was representing a collective group of lots of people. But
Speaker 1: they just did not understand that. You know, they wanted
Speaker 1: they essentially needed to have their arm bent, you know,
Speaker 1: in order to see that. But it's it's like, why
Speaker 1: would you, um, why why would we go ahead and
Speaker 1: twist your arm for you to see us if we
Speaker 1: could just go ahead and replace you and you you
Speaker 1: really do see that with um. You know political commentators
Speaker 1: that UM interview your sister, like, for example, I'll just
Speaker 1: use Megan McCain as an example, when your sister went
Speaker 1: on the view UM. Someone like Megan McCain has such
Speaker 1: a uh, just bad taste to her mouth immediately because
Speaker 1: she just has an ad version chart and really because
Speaker 1: she has an inability to see that this person is
Speaker 1: literally for the people and not in like a political
Speaker 1: way like people that are in political dynasties, are involved
Speaker 1: with political dynasties. It's very clear to me that they
Speaker 1: they think, well, it's politics, so there must be an
Speaker 1: ulterior motive because that's all they know. And you see
Speaker 1: that in the way that politics has covered to for example,
Speaker 1: like the way that I feel that they treat your
Speaker 1: sister and MSNBC even on even on like the liberal network,
Speaker 1: like they still there is network. Everyone's listening. It's like
Speaker 1: except the young Turms. Kidding well, I love the young Turts.
Speaker 1: I like, here's the thing about Megan McKean is that
Speaker 1: you know it's listen to me. I have plenty of
Speaker 1: differences with her, and I'm not even gonna get into it,
Speaker 1: but I will say that at least um, I think
Speaker 1: she has a basic understanding and value for her name,
Speaker 1: and she very I believe she's smart enough to know
Speaker 1: that if she was to go ahead and run for
Speaker 1: her father's seat, she could probably win in a landslide.
Speaker 1: And she chooses Nazi. She decides to let the system
Speaker 1: and the establishment and the people choose who they want.
Speaker 1: And I have you have to respect that ure. And
Speaker 1: but one of the thing is that funny enough, I
Speaker 1: think she actually agreed with my system more than Woody
Speaker 1: Goldberg dig because what gold would be at least in
Speaker 1: the In one of the segments, I think prior to
Speaker 1: them having her on the show, they were like, Oh,
Speaker 1: she's a bartender, what could she know? And it's like,
Speaker 1: what what were you doing before you started acting in
Speaker 1: successful gigs. It's like, you know, especially in this day
Speaker 1: and age where um, just everybody needs our help, you know,
Speaker 1: just getting forward. I especially when that's part of just
Speaker 1: the greater social discussion. I just don't that just goes
Speaker 1: to show that, you know, challenging something new is just
Speaker 1: sort of a little bit natural for people that have
Speaker 1: grown to be a part of the establishment. Just one
Speaker 1: more thing about that is that I think that another
Speaker 1: element of this obviously is that whenever, whenever she is
Speaker 1: challenging something, and I think that's might have been where
Speaker 1: like people were coming from, like in that particular instance
Speaker 1: on the view is it's like, I think there is
Speaker 1: an element obviously of racism and sexism when it comes
Speaker 1: to someone like your sister speaking up because they think, oh,
Speaker 1: she's being disrespectful. Like there's this like weird mentality around
Speaker 1: AOC like when it comes to Biden and her criticisms
Speaker 1: of Biden or people like him. It's like, you need
Speaker 1: to slow your role. You're being disrespectful. These people are
Speaker 1: not all bought and evil like you're saying, and which
Speaker 1: is not what she's even saying in brass tacks, but
Speaker 1: but you need to understand that people before you have
Speaker 1: done a lot, and that sort of dismisses the immediacy
Speaker 1: of what she is saying. And I feel that that
Speaker 1: is targeting her in a way that they wouldn't target
Speaker 1: someone that, say, looked like Joe Kennedy and was espousing
Speaker 1: the ideals that your sister does its respectability politics. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: a million percent. I mean it's um. The reality is
Speaker 1: that if she was in a different physical form, it
Speaker 1: would be smooth, you know, it would be it would
Speaker 1: be easier because she would be in a form that's
Speaker 1: more palatable to the establishment. But because she's not the
Speaker 1: ideal family dynasty candidate, because she's not in the form
Speaker 1: of a Joe Kennedy, you know she's going to be
Speaker 1: um put into positions where the establishment is going to
Speaker 1: try to, you know, paint her off as like a
Speaker 1: feisty like Sophia ved gotta and they're going to try
Speaker 1: to make you a caricature because the easier it is
Speaker 1: to draw you with a few lines, um, you know,
Speaker 1: the easier it is for them just to go ahead
Speaker 1: and close in that box around you. Sure, sure, Um.
Speaker 1: I did want to point out this thing that I
Speaker 1: thought was kind of great and like I think it
Speaker 1: was like a moment where you saw Joe Crowley sort
Speaker 1: of like buckle a bit was it was one of
Speaker 1: the what like two debates that he actually showed up
Speaker 1: to when um during the primary. But it's this thing
Speaker 1: of like collectivism that you're talking about, Gabe, where it's
Speaker 1: like she the question was, would the would the candidates
Speaker 1: endorse the other candidate whoever won the primary? Basically, so
Speaker 1: would would Joe Crowley endorsed c what AOC endors Joe
Speaker 1: Crowley if they want? And Joe Crowley says, yes, I'll
Speaker 1: endorse AOC, And then your sister goes, I'm happy to
Speaker 1: take that question to my movement and put that up
Speaker 1: for a vote if for that for it to always
Speaker 1: go back to that is so important and so huge
Speaker 1: and like kind of like I don't know, like drills
Speaker 1: it into into my head like I'm watching and I'm like, oh, wait,
Speaker 1: that's what this is about. It's not about this individualist
Speaker 1: thing of like she's the only one who can do this.
Speaker 1: It's no, it's she's being backed by people who need
Speaker 1: need change or there's one collectivist voice in your ear.
Speaker 1: And it's not like this thing where other candidates have
Speaker 1: other private interests a million of them in therriers, right.
Speaker 1: It's like she has one s like stakeholder in her
Speaker 1: political life and that's her constituents. That's It's as simple
Speaker 1: as that. Yeah, And it's it's just wild that we
Speaker 1: got to this point in our society where we were
Speaker 1: just largely cool with autopilot. It's it's totally totally irresponsible.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like you constantly read about people like
Speaker 1: into accidents while they're on autopilot, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: like if they're only paying attention, But how many decades
Speaker 1: was the mass of the bulk of our society just
Speaker 1: not paying attention exactly? And it seems so insane and
Speaker 1: revolutionary that it's just like, oh, just listen to the
Speaker 1: voters who would have thought it's just we we have
Speaker 1: to recognize that, yes, it's exceptional that she's doing that,
Speaker 1: but we still have to bring it down to the
Speaker 1: basic level of like this is what everyone should be doing.
Speaker 1: It's representative government, which is like it shouldn't be this thing.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's like they to go back to
Speaker 1: your analogy. It's like the person wouldn't have gone to
Speaker 1: that that acts had autopilot not been invented or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, anyway, it was invented because they
Speaker 1: told us we could invent it and don't worry, Like,
Speaker 1: don't we don't worry. We have something that's going to
Speaker 1: take care of you. I remember growing up and being
Speaker 1: in school and the mentality very much being like, and
Speaker 1: that's government is something that other people do you know,
Speaker 1: there's it doesn't it can be for you or people
Speaker 1: like you, And how would you even start? And you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's just like it feels like
Speaker 1: something you'd have to put a life's work into a
Speaker 1: specific thing. You have to go into law, or you
Speaker 1: have to do this or that. But I really love
Speaker 1: just like in watching Knock Down the House, which I
Speaker 1: believe everyone should wash. If you have not watched it,
Speaker 1: we've talked about it at nauseam on the podcast. But
Speaker 1: it's not just Alexandria Acazio Cortez. It's you know, Corey Bush,
Speaker 1: who Pologene swearing in and it's um you know, um
Speaker 1: Amy Valela. And these are amazing stories all for and
Speaker 1: only one, you know, quote unquote has a happy ending
Speaker 1: in terms of the result of the election. But what
Speaker 1: you can know is that from going forward, you know,
Speaker 1: Corey Bush did win her primary this year and will
Speaker 1: be elected to Congress barring something crazy, and Apologene is
Speaker 1: running again and like pulling better. And so this is
Speaker 1: it's frustrating to watch that documentary because you see people
Speaker 1: who are just in it for the people, and are
Speaker 1: just in it for the for health care, for for
Speaker 1: medicare for all, and are just in there for a
Speaker 1: better earth and a better fighting chance for the people
Speaker 1: that really haven't had one, and to see them run
Speaker 1: up against these like roadblocks, which are the establishment just
Speaker 1: like so dead set on keeping things the way that
Speaker 1: they are. And what I would say to everyone who
Speaker 1: needs it, like really spelled out clearly is it's it
Speaker 1: has never been okay, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: just it's not just not okay now because of Trump.
Speaker 1: This system allowed Trump like this system being was essentially
Speaker 1: really for a Trump to come in. They just had
Speaker 1: to do it. So it's like, I guess that's my
Speaker 1: own little endorsement of the film. And the one thing
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask about it was in terms of
Speaker 1: the crew shooting it was that just something because it
Speaker 1: was it's kind of crazy that they followed your sister
Speaker 1: from the beginning with her going to get ice from
Speaker 1: the basement at the bar and then like her standing
Speaker 1: at the end of the documentary in front of the
Speaker 1: Capitol building. It's crazy. You know, it's Rachel the director
Speaker 1: of Knockdown the House. She is so easy to forget
Speaker 1: that you're there. She is brilliant at just finding that
Speaker 1: one little corner, and you know, she's she's a little
Speaker 1: bit smaller, she's got a type frame, she's got the
Speaker 1: camera worked up so like she's totally condensed into um
Speaker 1: like a one form with this with this camera, and
Speaker 1: it's like when you're watching reality TV and you're like,
Speaker 1: there's no way that they forget that the cameras are there.
Speaker 1: That like you assume that the cameras just like in
Speaker 1: your face, like like a microphone on a stick. You
Speaker 1: know it because of this not the case, like sometimes
Speaker 1: I would scratch my chest into like, oh no, I've
Speaker 1: got a mike on, you know. Not that I'm ever
Speaker 1: saying anything too crazy, but it's it's definitely easier to
Speaker 1: um to get into it with them there than than
Speaker 1: you would imagine all documentarians should be small and that's
Speaker 1: actually documents. So they were just following you're said, were
Speaker 1: they following a ton of people from brand new Congress
Speaker 1: and saying we'll see who works out if any. They
Speaker 1: followed four um, so it was just this f It
Speaker 1: was just those four that I understand, and they filmed
Speaker 1: a good chunk after it too. They actually filmed all
Speaker 1: the way until November, so there's a lot that happens
Speaker 1: in those summer months that are just not you know,
Speaker 1: on film. Because my understanding after talking with Rachel um
Speaker 1: at the at the premiere that they did at Bernard,
Speaker 1: is that she basically just thought that the understanding would
Speaker 1: be that, Okay, they the primary in a deeply blue
Speaker 1: blue area, then it's pretty much gonna be good until
Speaker 1: the end. Um and everybody knows that she once they
Speaker 1: felt there it just would be a little bit redundant.
Speaker 1: So I get I get why they did it, but
Speaker 1: there's so much that's not included in that. Mm hmm, yeah,
Speaker 1: very interesting. It is pretty unbelievable that it worked out
Speaker 1: the way it did, I mean narratively, just in terms
Speaker 1: of like from filmmaking, I'm like, this is crazy, Like
Speaker 1: it's so thrilling and gratifying to watch and also to
Speaker 1: know that she's not to be like not just someone
Speaker 1: who got into Congress, but you know, literally the face
Speaker 1: and start for so many people watching anyway of something
Speaker 1: so much bigger. I've only seen it like barely twice.
Speaker 1: I've only seen it like once. It's just it's so
Speaker 1: it's just so just meta, it's just so weird. And
Speaker 1: then even then just the other three stories, they all
Speaker 1: made me cry. Um And it's just a reminder of um,
Speaker 1: where we are in America because the reality is that
Speaker 1: you these people that are running have the first hand
Speaker 1: loss and the first hand lived experience of what happens
Speaker 1: when the policy fails you you know, and it's like
Speaker 1: you can't find somebody that's better experienced in that situation
Speaker 1: because it happened to them, you know, literally like que
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga Mze until it happens to you. It's just
Speaker 1: very real, like it is. Until it happens to you,
Speaker 1: you just don't you will never know. Um, so it's
Speaker 1: just you couldn't. I don't think that you could get
Speaker 1: better people to run in the districts that than the
Speaker 1: four women that were presented. Yeah, and tell me what
Speaker 1: the hell do you know? What the hell do you Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll take a quick break and then we're gonna ask
Speaker 1: Gabriel the question. Okay, great, perfect, Okay, we're back with
Speaker 1: Gabriel Kaser Cortes. Gabriel, we would ask you the question
Speaker 1: we ask all of our guests, which is what is
Speaker 1: the culture that made you say? Culture is for me?
Speaker 1: And Matt explain what that means. So this is that
Speaker 1: thing that comes along in your life in the realm
Speaker 1: of pop culture, and you're like, oh, I feel seen
Speaker 1: by this. My my being is I'm powerless against this.
Speaker 1: It has an influence on me and the rest of
Speaker 1: my life is dictated by this, maybe even entirely. Okay,
Speaker 1: no pressure, right, it's culture. Okay, So two moments, one event,
Speaker 1: and it comes full circle. All right, damn, Okay, I
Speaker 1: love it. So here's where we are. Um, it's February Graham, Okay,
Speaker 1: it so basically I think my dad is in the
Speaker 1: hospital at this time. The last year was was difficult.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of in and out. Um, And
Speaker 1: just like any kid that's going through this, at least
Speaker 1: for those that understand, you know, you'll understand. It's that
Speaker 1: you assume every time the last so you know you're
Speaker 1: in this. I'm in this really fragile, you know, emotional state. Um,
Speaker 1: I just turned fifteen like two months before, so like
Speaker 1: all intensive purposes, I'm like fourteen. So we're looking at
Speaker 1: the Grammys and I've watched the Grammys every year that
Speaker 1: I've been able to have the cognitive awareness enough to
Speaker 1: put on love the Grammys's a guilty pleasure. Um, we'll
Speaker 1: talk about the color. She absolutely on that. We're watching it.
Speaker 1: And you know, Kanye West, God rest his soul is
Speaker 1: on the Grammys, and he was so fresh, his style
Speaker 1: was so He's obviously a taste maker, and he was
Speaker 1: a force to be reckoned with. He was everything at
Speaker 1: that time. He was being pregnant. Whatever. I hope. So
Speaker 1: I hope she's wish everybody's best. Whatever she is, we
Speaker 1: hope she's well exactly you're good. So Kanye. I'm watching
Speaker 1: Kanye and he starts off and he starts singing, hey
Speaker 1: my because he had just lost his mom. And I'm
Speaker 1: watching this artist in front of me, and I'm seeing
Speaker 1: what I assume i'll be in soon enough, and I'm
Speaker 1: seeing his heartbreak and seeing his pain, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I guess this is how a creative mourns. You have
Speaker 1: no choice but to perform, you know, And it's not
Speaker 1: necessarily just being on the stage. It's just, you know,
Speaker 1: fake it till you make it in the saddest sense,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And you're watching him and
Speaker 1: he's reciting these lyrics. Um, you know you never put
Speaker 1: no man over me. And I love you for that. Mom.
Speaker 1: You can't just see seven years old like going through
Speaker 1: it and he's struggling so much. And I'm next to
Speaker 1: my mom on the couch in our tiny tiny house
Speaker 1: that they that like Fox likes to portray was like
Speaker 1: Maria's carry mansion when it was like best and it's
Speaker 1: like I didn't even know they were framing it like
Speaker 1: that anyways. So it's me and my mom and this
Speaker 1: oversize great Dane that did not belong in the house
Speaker 1: that's and we're watching this and I'm just like, I
Speaker 1: have a few tears just running down my eyes, and
Speaker 1: she just like, you know, giving my space. I was
Speaker 1: just I'm that type of person when I'm upset, you
Speaker 1: just gotta let me be, don't chase me. And I'm
Speaker 1: watching it and then I see him going too stronger
Speaker 1: immediately like seconds after he finished his Hey mama, And
Speaker 1: I remember looking at this and I'm just like, this
Speaker 1: man is broken. This man is totally destroyed. He will
Speaker 1: never be the same and it was never the same.
Speaker 1: And he's just out here giving his all because that's
Speaker 1: what that's the job of the creative is that you
Speaker 1: you have to deliver, you have to perform, you have
Speaker 1: to you have to. That's just what it is. And
Speaker 1: that same event the Grammys that I guess, like what
Speaker 1: thirty minutes later, whatever you have, Amy Winehouse, I mean
Speaker 1: you talk about a bucket of talent, I mean overflowing that.
Speaker 1: There's hardly anybody that even matches her. Adele maybe you know,
Speaker 1: but there's nobody that will ever be like her. Um
Speaker 1: and you see her, and you see her because they
Speaker 1: denied her visa. UM come into the US for due
Speaker 1: to tabloids. They were like no, so she was performing
Speaker 1: live when I think like a venue in like Camden, London,
Speaker 1: and I think Tony Bennett reads off the wind and
Speaker 1: they cut to her and everybody around her is just
Speaker 1: losing their mind and she's just she's just like she
Speaker 1: couldn't believe that, like just absolute. And I watched it
Speaker 1: again this morning and it's only like five seconds that
Speaker 1: you know, she's just kind of like what's going on?
Speaker 1: But I remember being in that moment and feeling so
Speaker 1: fragile and looking at her and seeing that this was
Speaker 1: also you know, another broken human being, you know, somebody
Speaker 1: that's just stuck, you know, and it and then of
Speaker 1: course you know the crowded rops and it's Amy Winehouse
Speaker 1: and huge. I think she brought him like five Grammy's
Speaker 1: that night, and yeah, and it was I think the
Speaker 1: most taken home by a woman in Grammy history until
Speaker 1: like Beyonce, Um I Am, Sasha Fierce and then Adele
Speaker 1: match Chart I think bringing home six or eight in
Speaker 1: the same night. But it was it was literally record breaking.
Speaker 1: But for you could you could just it was just
Speaker 1: so clear on her face that um, she was just
Speaker 1: grateful to be noticed, let alone get to that level.
Speaker 1: So for me, I remember walking away from that and
Speaker 1: I felt like what it taught me was that there's
Speaker 1: no part of of any product that gets given to
Speaker 1: the public that doesn't come with this major sacrifice. And
Speaker 1: you look at Kanye West and he loses his mom,
Speaker 1: his world, you know, and it sent him on a
Speaker 1: life path that is where he is now, where he's
Speaker 1: you know, essentially compromising all of our collective safety by
Speaker 1: running for president. And then I look at what happened
Speaker 1: in my life with my dad dying and where it
Speaker 1: left me and my sister, and it's just a constant
Speaker 1: reminder that one event can just send you one way
Speaker 1: or the other. You know, you've got her trying to
Speaker 1: keep our democracy legitimate and you've got him essentially trying
Speaker 1: to undermine it. And how can you not look at
Speaker 1: it and just be like, what happened? You know? It's
Speaker 1: it's intense. I mean the fact that at like fourteen fifteen,
Speaker 1: you're able to like have that like locus of like
Speaker 1: clarity around like seeing someone on the TV, being like
Speaker 1: that person is broken and to them like yeah, it
Speaker 1: is a full circle thing to then connected back to
Speaker 1: like what's going on today with him and then also
Speaker 1: as it relates in this inverted way to your sister
Speaker 1: and you is wild. Oh my god, thank you for
Speaker 1: sharing that. Yeah, that was great. Also talk about it.
Speaker 1: Another terrific documentary film is Amy. Have you seen that?
Speaker 1: It's just amazing, And it's just you know what I
Speaker 1: really you know what I really loved about it was
Speaker 1: it captured that this is something that I think we
Speaker 1: lose sometimes and when we lose the humanity of these
Speaker 1: people when they become super famous. Is it captured her
Speaker 1: humor And I thought when she's like giving the tour
Speaker 1: of her house and that like character and ultimately it
Speaker 1: just it made it hurt even more. But but she
Speaker 1: was such a funny person, like on top of being
Speaker 1: like a talent that we have not seen. I would
Speaker 1: argue we have not seen Um. And I also think
Speaker 1: she should have gone six or six that Grammys because
Speaker 1: she lost that UM album a year to the Herbie
Speaker 1: Hancock Joni Mitchell album that he did River, the Herbie
Speaker 1: Hancock did like a Joni Mitchell album and that one
Speaker 1: the Grammys Hancock, But fucking awful timing. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: I just so there the fact that let's just get
Speaker 1: into it. Then Grammys, what are you doing? You nominate
Speaker 1: jay Z eight times just to get the viewership, just
Speaker 1: to next and for the sake of basically taking a
Speaker 1: dog and rubbing their face in its saying don't don't
Speaker 1: disturb the established order. Right, So that's one thing, And
Speaker 1: then how do you not give Beyonce album of the
Speaker 1: Year selling eight copies in what two days? Changing the
Speaker 1: market for music forever? Everybody state is on a Friday now,
Speaker 1: which a lot of people on the back of a
Speaker 1: lot of people just that just listen to music, don't
Speaker 1: really understand how much that changed the entire The Tuesday
Speaker 1: to Friday shift was huge. It's h it changed charting
Speaker 1: in the formulas for forever um. And to not give
Speaker 1: her and besides the fact that it was huge, it
Speaker 1: was the best album of that year and in that category,
Speaker 1: and to give it a herbian cock is basically just uh.
Speaker 1: It served its purpose, which was to say to Beyonce, hey,
Speaker 1: you're not too big for us to make you loose. Well,
Speaker 1: the thing about Beyonce is she really should have two
Speaker 1: Albums of the Year Grammys because I feel like something
Speaker 1: you know, what if we're going to give them the
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt, which we shouldn't like. Sometimes things happen,
Speaker 1: Sometimes they think one album is better than the other. Whatever.
Speaker 1: For me, Beyonce Is Self Titled was the defining album
Speaker 1: of that year. When that album came out at midnight.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget where I was. I'll never forgetting how
Speaker 1: I felt. I'll never forget the weeks following I can
Speaker 1: do you the first thing, oh girl, And I remember
Speaker 1: you saying this feels like a sick dream, and that's
Speaker 1: that's my memory of that relief. I'll never forget. It
Speaker 1: was like twelve oh four and for some reason, my my,
Speaker 1: I'd never go on iTunes. For some reason, I was like,
Speaker 1: I mosied over to iTunes and I just saw Beyonce
Speaker 1: and that iconic font on that like black background, and
Speaker 1: I was like, knockout fund the font is called knockout Yes,
Speaker 1: well there you go, and graphic design zone boone yang um.
Speaker 1: But I was like, this can't be a whole album.
Speaker 1: And then to see that was a visual album like that.
Speaker 1: For anyone that loves music and loves Beyonce and loves
Speaker 1: just joy, that was such a moment and for her
Speaker 1: to also not only just put out an album, but
Speaker 1: revolutionize herself as an artist, to make herself into some
Speaker 1: reincarnate really like a new spirit. Was like born, but
Speaker 1: so whatever. They didn't give it to that one, but
Speaker 1: the Lemonade snub just to give it to Adele for
Speaker 1: an album that was a redux of the first album
Speaker 1: she had one album of the year. For that, to
Speaker 1: me was truly unacceptable because Lemonade is I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna say Beyonce is amazing but not a cohesive work,
Speaker 1: you're insane. But I guess Lemonade is an unbelievable cohesive
Speaker 1: work that is about something specific. It is it is
Speaker 1: a change in the artist when she how could she
Speaker 1: possibly get even better? I mean, to me, it's just
Speaker 1: like I I invalidate them now almost completely because they
Speaker 1: did that. And here's the thing about the self titled
Speaker 1: is that it was arguably ahead of itself with the
Speaker 1: philosophy of everyone is so focused on the single and
Speaker 1: on the quick pace and nobody's looking at the bigger picture,
Speaker 1: which is what that album was about, which is why
Speaker 1: there was a video for us about the feeling of
Speaker 1: watching Michael Jackson and MTV and the way music used
Speaker 1: to be given to us where we would have to
Speaker 1: listen to the record, and how just sort of like
Speaker 1: the way TikTok is sort of taking our attention spans
Speaker 1: back down. You know, it's it's a comment on on that.
Speaker 1: So it's it's one thing to snub, but then when
Speaker 1: she comes back doubles down on her message and goes
Speaker 1: ahead and issues this entirely different body of work than
Speaker 1: to snub that. Just you could tell it hurt her too,
Speaker 1: you could tell, because the thing about these artists is
Speaker 1: like you think, like you get to a certain point
Speaker 1: in your career and like it doesn't matter, but it
Speaker 1: does because it's like it really is a recognition and
Speaker 1: and that's all people really because at the in our hearts,
Speaker 1: like we can say it's because we want to make
Speaker 1: people laugh or you want to make people dance or whatever,
Speaker 1: but really this is like it's it's your art. And
Speaker 1: to be to know that you've completed, um, something amazing
Speaker 1: and something that no one else could have done, and
Speaker 1: then to see them make that safe commercial decision because
Speaker 1: someone else has sold more records um because artistically they're
Speaker 1: not in comparison, is just so disheartening and to see
Speaker 1: her there in the front row and like only received
Speaker 1: like I think Urban Alternative album right, which basically says like, oh, like,
Speaker 1: we like you as a black person, but not not
Speaker 1: not the album of the year, because we've got to
Speaker 1: put you against the rest of of what we've got.
Speaker 1: And the thing is that, you know it's you. You'll
Speaker 1: have people that say, oh, but the Grammys can't eat her.
Speaker 1: She has like twenty four whatever it is, she's got
Speaker 1: the most, like the outside of Allison Krawse, she's got
Speaker 1: the most. But there is you have to understand like
Speaker 1: they're they're segregating it. That's what they're doing, totally totally,
Speaker 1: and that's why I totally stand by Talley of the
Speaker 1: Creator when he was like, okay, you're basically you know
Speaker 1: just I think he was making the comparison to being
Speaker 1: a field slave or a house slave. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you bumped me up a little bit, but you know
Speaker 1: what does that mean if I'm so asleeve? And the
Speaker 1: thing is that you know, people are like, oh, so
Speaker 1: many Grammys, and it's like yeah, because they were giving
Speaker 1: her like basically crumbs for Destiny's child and for little
Speaker 1: things and for like little pop performances here and there.
Speaker 1: So when you look at on people, it's like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: she's got an impressive amount of Grammys, which she does.
Speaker 1: They're not giving her front runner grammat and general have
Speaker 1: to understand. And there is something too when people dismiss
Speaker 1: the Grammys as and and I know you might have
Speaker 1: just said this map, but it's like when people dismissed
Speaker 1: the Grammys as, oh, it's it's this, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: their cares whatever, right, But it's like whether or not
Speaker 1: you believe that art is art, what art isn't until
Speaker 1: it's evaluated or something. It's still this thing where if
Speaker 1: it's not being recognized by like an institutional thing, whether
Speaker 1: however much you value that where if you don't give
Speaker 1: it power, it's still meaningful in some way to the artist.
Speaker 1: It depends on the artist. And I think Beyonce someone
Speaker 1: who is in some way like an institutionalist as far
Speaker 1: as the music industry goes, like I think she would
Speaker 1: have like I loved that recognition. Well, she the thing is,
Speaker 1: she deserved it. And I'm actually I'm happy that we're
Speaker 1: talking about this because it actually loops around to what
Speaker 1: I started bringing up in this podcast, which is this
Speaker 1: Mariah Carey New York Magazine interview, because you know, Mariah
Speaker 1: has only one five Grammys out of her entire career,
Speaker 1: and she is she is the revolutionary. She is a revolutionary,
Speaker 1: one of maybe five female artists that have done what
Speaker 1: she has done. I mean, it's like Madonna, Maria Whitney,
Speaker 1: you know, and beyond. And the thing about Mariah is
Speaker 1: she is a real songwriter, a real producer, and a
Speaker 1: singer that we've never seen the likes of and probably
Speaker 1: will never again in terms of like the specific tone, range, ability,
Speaker 1: emotion that she can convey. And they discuss in this
Speaker 1: piece how a lot of her book that's going to
Speaker 1: be coming out is about how she um deals with
Speaker 1: being mixed race and how she was marketed in the
Speaker 1: beginning of her career by her white record executive husband
Speaker 1: as white and they tried to keep her very like
Speaker 1: Even the critics that would review her music were like,
Speaker 1: she's a white singer who sounds black. She's a white singer,
Speaker 1: white singer, white singer. And she dealt for the first
Speaker 1: six or seven years, which is a really long time
Speaker 1: in your professional career where they were really like tampering
Speaker 1: down her blackness, and they would not allow her to
Speaker 1: explore that musical side of herself. And I think that
Speaker 1: as a result of doing that, it's kind of crazy
Speaker 1: that she was able to have the massive success that
Speaker 1: she had and crossover successes she had because she was
Speaker 1: being so like, in a calculated way, kept from what
Speaker 1: her artistic impulses were. And I think the Grammy thing,
Speaker 1: it's actually no surprise that she's only one five because
Speaker 1: they are segregated categories and she was never black enough
Speaker 1: for the black categories and was never white enough for
Speaker 1: the white categories. And it's like really crazy because she's
Speaker 1: Mariah Carrey. Like I don't think anybody else could even
Speaker 1: sell a quarter of the records that she sold and
Speaker 1: not have at least like fifteen Grammys. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: that the number, that's the number insane. Like I'd say
Speaker 1: she she's minimum sixteen Grammys front runner, you know, categories
Speaker 1: Best vocal Performance, etcetera. This is a fun game to
Speaker 1: quantify the number of Grammys and artists deserves. I mean this,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you can do this with any one, Like
Speaker 1: Katy Perry has never won when I think she deserves
Speaker 1: at least three she deserves she deserves, right. I don't
Speaker 1: love I don't stand Katy Perry in the way that
Speaker 1: a lot of people know, but I agree with you.
Speaker 1: She feels consequential enough where you think she'd have a few. Yeah. Yes,
Speaker 1: So it's like with with Mariah. With Mariah, it's like
Speaker 1: I think at least sixteen because the thing too about
Speaker 1: Mariah and she's constantly ahead of her time, constantly like
Speaker 1: when she released Butterfly and ninety seven, and they talked
Speaker 1: about this in the article and I really recommend the
Speaker 1: article now that that I'm Davis, who's the best um?
Speaker 1: But she also talks about how you know that Butterfly
Speaker 1: album like pop music, like pop artists were not crossing
Speaker 1: over into R and B as much. There was not
Speaker 1: like that pop R and B vibe until she really
Speaker 1: like made that like a mainstream thing. And also she
Speaker 1: kind of revolutionized having features like O d B when
Speaker 1: he was on the Fantasy Remix, like Huge Deal Jay
Speaker 1: z On, like Heartbreaker on Hartpreak and Tommy Mottola just
Speaker 1: like the whole making like the the R and B
Speaker 1: diva with with the hip hop feature. That was the
Speaker 1: formula that leads to crazy and love level and all
Speaker 1: these early two thousand sounds. Um that that was totally
Speaker 1: the creator of it was Mariah Carey, jay z O,
Speaker 1: d B P, Diddy, Mace. Yes, that that entire era
Speaker 1: was such a great era. And I feel like, honestly,
Speaker 1: like it's just it's just rough to know that while
Speaker 1: they were because they were also revolutionary, and they were
Speaker 1: so under rewarded like at the end, and to also
Speaker 1: think about how many artists we could be enjoying right
Speaker 1: now if the market didn't like market correct them or
Speaker 1: like push people out because they found someone else, like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like for as big as
Speaker 1: that's he's the perfect example of oh, you made it.
Speaker 1: You made country music sound to urban, so we can't
Speaker 1: even consider it in the realm of country is raist
Speaker 1: and itself. The fact that nobody even addresses the fact
Speaker 1: that like the people that took that off the charts
Speaker 1: had an agenda and and how and how how solely
Speaker 1: based on the artist's race. A lot of placement and
Speaker 1: categories is at something like the Grammys, whereas like, you know,
Speaker 1: you couldn't have told me, like like when when I
Speaker 1: first heard there you Go by Pink I would have
Speaker 1: never thought that was a white girl. Literally, Tony Braxton
Speaker 1: or something like could release the same song as like
Speaker 1: Selendon and they would put Tony Braxton in the R
Speaker 1: and B category and they put Celendion in the pop
Speaker 1: category at that time, and it would never it would
Speaker 1: never cross over. And it feels like maybe you know
Speaker 1: not to not to like make decisions for them or
Speaker 1: like definitively say how I fail right here. But it's
Speaker 1: like I always wish that It's like the Grammy should
Speaker 1: be like they get together, they felt that ten pieces
Speaker 1: of work were really deserving of recognition this year, and
Speaker 1: we have like a large performance like that is like
Speaker 1: all those amazing pieces of work and then you do
Speaker 1: it like that. But this characterization based on like race
Speaker 1: with the Grammys, and you know, gender and everything as
Speaker 1: as gender is becoming um something different than it used
Speaker 1: to be in the public eye. Like I feel like
Speaker 1: all of this is feeling really antiquated. So as the
Speaker 1: media gets more sensitive and you find out like these
Speaker 1: things can be bought and sold and it's all industry
Speaker 1: pandering whatever, and they place things the way they see
Speaker 1: fit that works best for them. It kind of like
Speaker 1: for kids that like love the Grammys and loved the Oscars,
Speaker 1: Like it makes it so much less fun and so
Speaker 1: much it's so much shittier to watch, But it's also
Speaker 1: like freeing to understand that that's the reality of the
Speaker 1: world and you do get something from that. It is
Speaker 1: being exposed for what it is more so than it
Speaker 1: was in the past. I think hopefully it's like when
Speaker 1: like a learning study. Our friends studio always so. There
Speaker 1: was one time where I was watching the reality show
Speaker 1: The X Factor with her, and um, I was like,
Speaker 1: this is like American a little bit better. And I
Speaker 1: was watching it with her and I this girl was
Speaker 1: performing and she was like she was not having it.
Speaker 1: Our friend's studio was like not having it. I was like,
Speaker 1: why don't you like it? She's like, look at how
Speaker 1: many pepsi cans that are count how many? And that
Speaker 1: was the first time I ever, like quote unquote saw
Speaker 1: all the pepsi cans. Like my mind was. I couldn't
Speaker 1: not see the way I was being marketed to at
Speaker 1: all times from now on. But I I someone who
Speaker 1: was born in consumer America like us all, like I
Speaker 1: had to be told that it was happening. You know,
Speaker 1: you have to be slapped across the face to wake
Speaker 1: up and like understand that, like this, this is bullshit.
Speaker 1: Like that happens at different times for different people. But
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying is I'm happy it happened
Speaker 1: at all because it's so real. Yeah. Well, I mean
Speaker 1: we're still watching the Grammys thow as much as we
Speaker 1: The first episode of this podcast is called the Grammys
Speaker 1: we talked as as flawed as they are, I mean,
Speaker 1: we're still we're still tuning in because the words still matter.
Speaker 1: Is that it's it's too easy to say us screw
Speaker 1: them anyways? Is that? No, The awards matter. That's why
Speaker 1: they're given out to people. That's why you have them,
Speaker 1: because they're motivating, their reminders, they're they're everything that you
Speaker 1: need them to be when you need uplifting and etcetera.
Speaker 1: And it's they're still just it's too important in in
Speaker 1: pop culture and our culture and music in America to
Speaker 1: to abandon it. Yeah. But if you know, if they're
Speaker 1: not willing to change, what position are we left in?
Speaker 1: You know? Right for sure? And I think I think
Speaker 1: it might be time on that note for I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. When you say a bough, I would
Speaker 1: say so. So, I don't think so honey is our
Speaker 1: segment at the end of every episode, we take one
Speaker 1: minute each to rail against something in the culture, using
Speaker 1: the words I don't think so honey as the sort
Speaker 1: of syntactical frame for it. So, um, Matt. So we'll
Speaker 1: do Matt, me, and then we'll do Gabe. Does that
Speaker 1: sound good? That sounds good. That sounds good. I have
Speaker 1: one and I'm ready to fire away on it. That's perfect.
Speaker 1: This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so honey as
Speaker 1: time starts now, I don't think so honey, you feeling
Speaker 1: like you need to ship talk my ex just because
Speaker 1: they're my ex. You don't need to do that, like
Speaker 1: people who come up to you and are like, oh,
Speaker 1: just so you know, I always thought this about your ex.
Speaker 1: Shut up because you're wrong, because I liked that person
Speaker 1: and even love that person and be It's like, if
Speaker 1: you thought this the whole fucking time, where were you at,
Speaker 1: a disingenuous piece of shit. I don't think so honey. Also,
Speaker 1: you don't have to fill the time with this bitch.
Speaker 1: There's so many other things that we could talk about.
Speaker 1: So maybe I don't even want to talk about my
Speaker 1: fucking X. I want to talk about how the Grammys
Speaker 1: are bullshit. I don't want to talk about my ex. Also,
Speaker 1: not for nothing, but a lot of the ship that
Speaker 1: you say about my ex is not true. You don't
Speaker 1: know them like I know them, And there's nothing you're
Speaker 1: gonna do to illuminate me. And also, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: tell me something shitty about guess what, bitch, I probably
Speaker 1: already knew it. That's probably one of the part of
Speaker 1: the reasons how you broke up. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: You come in with the breaking news. Was that actually
Speaker 1: you didn't like that my my friend had a bad
Speaker 1: taste or was weird? Shut up, you're not helping me,
Speaker 1: You're not helping yourself. You look stupid. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. Wow. That that that was just
Speaker 1: like a straight line like start to finish. It's not
Speaker 1: a good idea to do this. Yeah, I know, totally,
Speaker 1: don't do it. Don't do it, you're because Also it's
Speaker 1: just like I'm so happy you broke up with so
Speaker 1: and so, because this it's like this is ugly, like
Speaker 1: and also like who are you to bring this up
Speaker 1: to me, and also I don't want to hear this.
Speaker 1: And another thing too, is like I have I'm on
Speaker 1: good terms with everyone that I've been in a relationship
Speaker 1: with you to assume that it was a contemptuous thing
Speaker 1: in the first place. Yeah, I don't know, And I
Speaker 1: guess maybe it's like people run out of things to
Speaker 1: say or feel like they have to to make me
Speaker 1: feel better. But it's like, no, we're in a post
Speaker 1: Jada and Will at the Red Table world where it's
Speaker 1: kind of I hope that it's sort of reorganized our
Speaker 1: thoughts around what separation means, not that they're even separated,
Speaker 1: but around like what, you know, what like a compromised
Speaker 1: couplehood is. And also it's like I'll bring my partner
Speaker 1: to the red table. I don't need you to bring
Speaker 1: me to the red table about my partner. Actually, I've
Speaker 1: seen red Table and I know how it works, and
Speaker 1: I know that I bring myself to the red table
Speaker 1: or it doesn't mean anything. Basically, what it reminds me
Speaker 1: of is when people are like, oh, hey, like I
Speaker 1: just want to let you know that so and so
Speaker 1: just happened to tell me this, Like it seems like
Speaker 1: they might feel this this way about you, or think
Speaker 1: that why do they feel so comfortable telling you about it? Then? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: why are you in a position to be you know,
Speaker 1: a sticky pad for this, for this rat to get
Speaker 1: caught on exactly? And also who we're playing, because you're
Speaker 1: playing one of us. Somebody's getting played and I'm not
Speaker 1: going to be played. So you if somebody feels comfortable
Speaker 1: telling you some ship, you're out, I've cut you off.
Speaker 1: The circle is done. So I love it's out. It
Speaker 1: always puts in my head like, well, what did you
Speaker 1: say to them when they said that to you? Like
Speaker 1: I always know that this person has talked more ship
Speaker 1: than they let on, and that's that's actually a thing.
Speaker 1: And I'll say it out to the universe right now.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys feel. I never want
Speaker 1: to know when someone is talking about me. Ever, Just
Speaker 1: let me live in this ignorant bliss. I never want
Speaker 1: to know. I don't. I don't need that because honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm the kind of person that will sit with it
Speaker 1: all day. You can send me a screenshot mm hmm,
Speaker 1: which is send me a receipt, send me something material. Fact, fine,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say no to facts, because then that's
Speaker 1: just choosing to be ignorant, and that's something different. But
Speaker 1: for somebody to present the facts, that's one thing though,
Speaker 1: that's a different thing. It's just like if you if
Speaker 1: you are on somebody's fencet or some ship, I don't
Speaker 1: know whatever, the kids or like they you know, dropped
Speaker 1: a tweet and then deleted it and you caught it
Speaker 1: in time, fine, fine him, Fine, But if suddenly it's
Speaker 1: just something that you're in conversation with them with for
Speaker 1: some reason, regardless of if you need it or you
Speaker 1: let it, then no, then like come over to my
Speaker 1: house and me see your phone, and even then it's
Speaker 1: like too much manipulation is possible? Just know? Yeah? No.
Speaker 1: I just feel like if here's what I would say
Speaker 1: to everyone. If you are if you have information and
Speaker 1: you're gonna give it to someone about and it's about
Speaker 1: them and it's gonna hurt them, that sucks. If it's
Speaker 1: going to hurt them, but help them, then maybe it's
Speaker 1: worth giving if someone needs to know something. And I
Speaker 1: always feel like people can filter things into what they
Speaker 1: need to say and what they want to say. But
Speaker 1: people seem to have really lose that line, and I
Speaker 1: feel like, just keep it to yourself. If it's gonna
Speaker 1: hurt someone's feelings, don't be the messenger because I might
Speaker 1: shoot the messenger with a bow and arrow. Okay, um okay,
Speaker 1: And now with that um, it's gonna be boone yang.
Speaker 1: So I don't think so, honey, no bone yang. Do
Speaker 1: you have a topic on this day? A topic? All right?
Speaker 1: Well that's good. Actually, well here we go. Well, honey,
Speaker 1: and his time actually is going to start now. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Giant ice cube is in a tumbler.
Speaker 1: It just rolls around it. It hits you in your
Speaker 1: damn nose when you're trying to take a little sip
Speaker 1: of something. You know what I'm saying? And what is
Speaker 1: the what is the novelty around here? Are we still
Speaker 1: in where this was cool? Are we still in a
Speaker 1: time where mixologists are fuckable? I mean they still are
Speaker 1: And I actually don't. Actually I was thinking about this
Speaker 1: the other day. I was like, oh no, look what
Speaker 1: I was like, what happened to like the sexologist? I mean,
Speaker 1: it must be the pandemic because bars are closed. But
Speaker 1: I feel like there is going to be there. I
Speaker 1: feel like we need the return of the of the
Speaker 1: sexy mixologists. Again. I feel like culturally they've been sidelined
Speaker 1: and marginalized too long anyway. But I think we can
Speaker 1: take we can take the giant ou ice cube out
Speaker 1: of that sort of aesthetic, right because I think that
Speaker 1: it's not this like necessary motif in you know, in
Speaker 1: in bar culture. I don't need a giant fucking thing
Speaker 1: of ice hitting me in the face as I take
Speaker 1: and that's one minute. That's quite enough. I just want
Speaker 1: to tell you, as a former bartender, it is uh
Speaker 1: a stylish thing to have that large ice cube. It's
Speaker 1: a thing of style, and it's not functional. It's why
Speaker 1: why is it? Why do I Why do I need that? Okay,
Speaker 1: I want my little trapezoid prism cubes in my glass.
Speaker 1: That's it. That is no, it's should It's just there's
Speaker 1: a reason why it's so universe, it's so sort of
Speaker 1: widely distributed. First of all, for an ice cube to
Speaker 1: be functional, all I has to do is make a
Speaker 1: liquid cold and that's actually real culture number seventy. For
Speaker 1: an ice cube to be functional all has to do.
Speaker 1: You're talking about the functionality, Maybe you have a big
Speaker 1: fucking nose bitch, how about that get your nose out
Speaker 1: of the drink. How about how about don't go so
Speaker 1: far back. It's not about the individual experience, it's about
Speaker 1: the collective struggle with big ice cubes in the way
Speaker 1: that they are. You say big ice cube like it's
Speaker 1: like big industry. No no, no, I'm saying, looks on
Speaker 1: a scale, thing on a scale. Will you attack it
Speaker 1: as such? Game? Please decide this for us. Listen. So
Speaker 1: I have to be on the side of the bartender,
Speaker 1: thank you, Okay, but I don't think the bartender is
Speaker 1: like the big ice cub. They do, that's why they
Speaker 1: use them, That's why you've been You have to think
Speaker 1: about tip factor. Is that having a bigger ice cube
Speaker 1: looks cool because it's been marketed as a higher taste
Speaker 1: kind of item, which is why people have, you know,
Speaker 1: whiskey's meat with the ice cube, with the with the
Speaker 1: with the larger sphere. It's just expected that if you're
Speaker 1: given a larger ice cube and then they slowly pour
Speaker 1: it on top of it, that you were likely going
Speaker 1: to see it as a luxury item and therefore tip better,
Speaker 1: which is going to help them pay their rent. So
Speaker 1: I got and that's why Gabe and I are for
Speaker 1: the working class and we are or the people, and
Speaker 1: Boon and Yang is classist and the establishment, and he
Speaker 1: is Saturday Night Live. What I tip them for the
Speaker 1: just the liquor. It is an experience, and there you've
Speaker 1: obviously been too long. If if okay, if any bartenders
Speaker 1: like that, but just let him know so that he
Speaker 1: just cuts down all the effort and just gives it
Speaker 1: to you without the show, and just tell him say, hey,
Speaker 1: I don't care less if if it's like if it's
Speaker 1: the good stuff, it's the good stuff, just give it. Fine,
Speaker 1: But then you're telling him he can't perform. And also
Speaker 1: part of that, part of the joy of doing it
Speaker 1: is the art of seduction. Oh my god. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't track entirely, but to me it does
Speaker 1: both of you're stupid. It's marketing to Half of its
Speaker 1: marketing is that you're showing the other people that are
Speaker 1: about to order that you're that bitch that you can
Speaker 1: make that drink. Percent you're saying you want to wait
Speaker 1: for my ask to pour you your cocktail over this
Speaker 1: globular ice cube that you don't even know how the
Speaker 1: just made. But just come over here, sit down and
Speaker 1: have a drink. I mean then, I mean this does
Speaker 1: fall on me individually to be like, I don't like
Speaker 1: this thing, and that's fine, it's true. I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey. You're entitled. Thank you and thank you. We
Speaker 1: have to respect you. I don't think so hony. We
Speaker 1: refect the form, but also understand that once you got
Speaker 1: dive into the form the form is, then you know
Speaker 1: it's able to be critiqued. Okay, thank you. Um, I
Speaker 1: think it's time for a Gabe to do his I
Speaker 1: am excited. So do you have a topic here? So
Speaker 1: I do, I do. It was gonna be it was
Speaker 1: either going to be one or another, but we already
Speaker 1: went over Kanye. And here's the thing. Kanye, he doesn't
Speaker 1: even deserve our energy. And I don't think so honey. Okay,
Speaker 1: we just need him to go. We need to go
Speaker 1: get well. Um, but okay, it's Gabriel Kasio Cortez is.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, and his time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. People that hate on the Bronx,
Speaker 1: I don't know who you are come from or what
Speaker 1: you get off on. Thinking that you could hate on
Speaker 1: the best borough in New York City. Chances are that
Speaker 1: you're the type of person that strolled into town not
Speaker 1: from here, so you don't have a voice in it.
Speaker 1: And then you're probably also the same person that moves
Speaker 1: into a gentrified apartment in Brooklyn because it's trendy for you.
Speaker 1: And then you go out and you post on Instagram
Speaker 1: and Twitter, black lives matter, Black lives matter, But you
Speaker 1: chose to go into a neighborhood where you either knowingly
Speaker 1: or unknowingly displaced black and Hispanic families. How much do
Speaker 1: black lives matter to you? And then you want to
Speaker 1: go ahead and then hate on the Bronx. We have
Speaker 1: given you me AOC j Lo Cardi b so your
Speaker 1: Colne Powell, do not come for us the best borrow.
Speaker 1: We are the kindest borrow, and we are the realist borough.
Speaker 1: And you get your life and your pop culture from
Speaker 1: us and our style. If you like us, then you
Speaker 1: have to respect that. Cannot hate on the Bronx? Who
Speaker 1: start these and he did it in a fifty in
Speaker 1: a quick fifty eight. But wait, who the funk are
Speaker 1: these teople talking about the Bronx? Are they just as
Speaker 1: throwaway things? Being like, oh, the Bronx. No, it's just
Speaker 1: people that totally dismiss it as like a respectable part
Speaker 1: of New York City, like millions of people don't live here,
Speaker 1: and as if we don't have major contributions to the culture.
Speaker 1: I mean the Yankee cap Us. You know, we just
Speaker 1: filled in us, you know, like the godfathers us, like
Speaker 1: you know, like, seriously, if you ever jammed out to
Speaker 1: on the six, you have to respect the six trainers.
Speaker 1: That's simple. It's actually it's actually real culture. Number one
Speaker 1: and one know where this is on the six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you cannot you cannot say that you like j lo
Speaker 1: O without without doing your best to not erase an
Speaker 1: entire burrow of this huge the Bronx created Waiting for
Speaker 1: a Night, So it's like you've ever waited for an
Speaker 1: event at night? You owe it's the Bronx. You owe
Speaker 1: it to then we do owe it to the Bronx. Also,
Speaker 1: can we say, what a perfectly titled album? What What
Speaker 1: an amazing debut album, What a perfectly titled album? What
Speaker 1: a fucking box. Every time you hear waiting for Tonight,
Speaker 1: it's you're done for. You have to respect that song
Speaker 1: and give that song at three and a half minutes
Speaker 1: because it is a Bob forever. And also she owns
Speaker 1: that green lighting. No one lasers hit me in the
Speaker 1: eye and that's what led to homosexuality for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would believe that's what led to homosexuality. That's that's
Speaker 1: what happened. She was on the screen and then there
Speaker 1: were green lasers and like blink twice and um, and
Speaker 1: that was okay. Yeah, so that had to be when
Speaker 1: you were like, what because that that was two thousand?
Speaker 1: Was that? Yeah, so you were said that was six
Speaker 1: and a half. Yeah, that'll do it. That'll do it.
Speaker 1: All you need is an icon to come in at
Speaker 1: that formative stage of your life when you're kind of
Speaker 1: realizing like what your personality is. A weekend someone, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's your thoughts on j Loo? As she stands? Or
Speaker 1: do we stand? Jlo? Um? She's about to buy the
Speaker 1: mats she just lost. She she's got swag, man, she's
Speaker 1: got swag. She's she's dope. She performs, she looks amazing,
Speaker 1: she is amazing. Um, you can't. You can't really come
Speaker 1: for her anybody, Even if you want to question somebody's talent,
Speaker 1: if they've got longevity. You can't say ship is that
Speaker 1: if they've kept their foot in the door, and then
Speaker 1: some you just can't come for them, Like if you
Speaker 1: want to try to clock Mariah, you just you can't know,
Speaker 1: you can't. We we were talking yes on our last
Speaker 1: episode with Justin Tranter, who's a big songwriter. He was saying, like,
Speaker 1: just as someone who works in the industry, whenever an
Speaker 1: artist has more led multiple hits like again and again
Speaker 1: and again and again, it is because of the artist,
Speaker 1: and you do have to have respect, Like he works
Speaker 1: at Selena Gomez a lot, and she is another one
Speaker 1: where people are like, whatever, it's Selena Gomez, like she's
Speaker 1: not a good singer or whatever, but she is artistically
Speaker 1: involved and chooses all those things. And you can't just
Speaker 1: be an artist that they feed everything too for years
Speaker 1: and years and years, like and j Loo has been
Speaker 1: going for years and years and years and years, probably
Speaker 1: before she was even in the mind's eye of you
Speaker 1: the reader at home, like before Selena, well, I mean
Speaker 1: she was a fly girl. A lot of people their
Speaker 1: whole idea of Selena is tied to Jennifers. And that
Speaker 1: should have been an OSCAR nominated performance right there, because
Speaker 1: my my thing with the Oscars is always like I
Speaker 1: feel like someone should be nominated if no one else
Speaker 1: going on, who else could have done that? Who else
Speaker 1: would have had the star quality to get out there
Speaker 1: in that like huge stadium and who would you buy
Speaker 1: turning around and smiling, cracking a smile, a movie star
Speaker 1: pop star smile and the entire arena going crazy. It's
Speaker 1: just like you have to be so good. And she
Speaker 1: was so funny and so like heartwrenching, and she, to
Speaker 1: me that was like a star is born moment on
Speaker 1: another level. And she has a career. She has re
Speaker 1: upped that again and again and again. She can do
Speaker 1: it all, from in living color to like the super
Speaker 1: Bowl halftime, the one good thing that happened this year.
Speaker 1: I mean, what a fucking what a fucking legend. And
Speaker 1: I gotta say I shared a very gay moment with
Speaker 1: her Monday during the pitch meeting at s And now
Speaker 1: I told you this, Matt where she she had the
Speaker 1: she but she in the pitch meeting, she had this um.
Speaker 1: She had this bag that had like sort of this
Speaker 1: like Andy warhol ESQ, like Barbara streisand face on it.
Speaker 1: It's this coach. She got she got coached before coach
Speaker 1: releases their stuff. And then I sat down and then
Speaker 1: I whispered to myself. I didn't think she would hear,
Speaker 1: I said, Barbara, and then she looks at me and
Speaker 1: goes and strokes the bag and goes Barbara and looks
Speaker 1: into my soul and goes Barbara. And she did it
Speaker 1: because it's funny girl, and it's because she was hosting
Speaker 1: SNL and it's because it's it's icons and it's icons
Speaker 1: respecting like icons, respecting icons. Jlo is bonified icon definitely.
Speaker 1: And the Bronx gave her to you everyone and respect.
Speaker 1: Gabe saying, the Bronx give you so many things me,
Speaker 1: my sisters to start yourself. Listen, I'm never going to
Speaker 1: put myself last. You are going to always be your
Speaker 1: best advocate. And at the end of the day, any
Speaker 1: interaction that you have with me, you're not going to
Speaker 1: forget me. And that's just how it's gonna be. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love this, and quickly quickly just um explain to
Speaker 1: people your philosophy around this advice that you're giving on
Speaker 1: an I g because I think it is a thing
Speaker 1: that you can really that has a lot of legs.
Speaker 1: I think you start your own sort of like column. Perhaps.
Speaker 1: I think there's a future in this for you, in
Speaker 1: this space. I had no idea that it was going
Speaker 1: to turn into what it is like. I get uproar
Speaker 1: in my d MS when it closes out. Um, it's
Speaker 1: I think people I don't know how they find me.
Speaker 1: I feel so sorry that they end up following me. Um.
Speaker 1: But the reality is that I get a lot of
Speaker 1: people that reach out to me because I think that
Speaker 1: they've seen enough of my content and interacted with me
Speaker 1: and mediums like this where they understand that I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna give it to you straight, no chaser, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give it to you in a way that you know,
Speaker 1: rips off the bandit, but not for the sake of
Speaker 1: burning you, for the for the sake of causing pain.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm gonna give you just
Speaker 1: enough that you need to hear and leave it open
Speaker 1: ended enough that you can interpret it the way you
Speaker 1: need to, because I'm not here to tell you how
Speaker 1: to live your life, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: this is how I go about it. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: been approached to potentially do it UM as something more formal,
Speaker 1: maybe something you know, in collaboration with the company, something editorial, UM.
Speaker 1: And I'm toying with it. But the thing is that, UM,
Speaker 1: the more you get people into it, the more I'm
Speaker 1: scared for its integrity of what it is. UM. So
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to leave it as a Q and
Speaker 1: a me directly to the people. UM. If that means
Speaker 1: that I lose out on a check, then that's what
Speaker 1: it is. But I want it to just simply be sincere.
Speaker 1: If you're asking me about how to handle your you know,
Speaker 1: prison fiance that you've never met, or you know, just
Speaker 1: coming out as potentially as trans are coming out as
Speaker 1: just anything, and perhaps you just don't even know yourself,
Speaker 1: but you know that you have that urge inside you.
Speaker 1: It's just the range and the gamut being run um
Speaker 1: of people that are just coming to me. It's just
Speaker 1: really intriguing and it's really UM, it's really humbling that
Speaker 1: people want my help in this. I'm really excited to
Speaker 1: see what becomes of you and the talent that you've
Speaker 1: so clearly possessed, because it's very cool and we we
Speaker 1: can We wanted you on the show because we felt
Speaker 1: that you were definitely special, so we're super excited that
Speaker 1: you came out and did the show. Sweet yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: he is. And every time you talk to me, you're
Speaker 1: gonna leave the interaction knowing that that guy is Sweet
Speaker 1: c C. I planted the seed in his head. Now
Speaker 1: he's just like he's thinking about it. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I need everybody to remember me again. After the interaction,
Speaker 1: you are. You are giving him an identity, which is
Speaker 1: and thank you so much much. I've been waiting for
Speaker 1: years to get one. Wow. This episode was fucking great,
Speaker 1: a phenomenal episode. Thank you so much to Gabriel Kasio
Speaker 1: Cortez for joining us. Thank you for having me tell
Speaker 1: them you're damn handles so they can follow you. So
Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram at Gabriel Costu courtoes. I'm on Twitter
Speaker 1: at Gabe Quartos, but I'm private on Twitter, so maybe
Speaker 1: I'll let you follow me. Maybe I won't. But try it,
Speaker 1: why not? You know what? Try it? Why not? Which?
Speaker 1: I love it? I love it and honestly Frontrunner title
Speaker 1: love that. Try it, try it. I like that, Pippy,
Speaker 1: It's nice. We close every episode out with the song
Speaker 1: did what do you think we've seen in the sweet
Speaker 1: pictured and have to hear the rest of that. You
Speaker 1: can go listen to the album on the sixth by
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez, The Problem's own exact Yes,