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Speaker 1: Why do you associate die cook with sadness? And I

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Speaker 1: more moss than that, you know what I'm saying. Yes,

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Speaker 1: a baby, and I'm gonna have a baby, And she did,

424
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: she did have a baby. But she seems like well

425
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: adjusted now like I think Morey did, like where are

426
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: they now? Feature like in recent years, and she seems

427
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 1: like chill, and she's just like, well, wherever she is,

428
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: we hope the best for her. But you are don't

429
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: think I don't know what you're doing misdirecting about this

430
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: diet coke because you've lost this is the diet coke thing.

431
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: You both of you don't understand the wave of people

432
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 1: who are firmly in the diet coke camp. I'm telling you,

433
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: it's just, it's it's out there. It's it's a it's

434
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 1: a silent majority. It's you and Taylor Swift, and you

435
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: both scream. You're not silent at all. And neither of

436
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 1: you will ever do the super Bowl because that's, of

437
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: course the Pepsi product because of our exclusivity with diet coke.

438
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 1: That's right, That's right. Well, so can I say sorry,

439
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 1: but me and Gabriel gonna go do this super Bowl. Now,

440
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and then we'll come right back. Okay,

441
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: and we're back with Gabriel Kaser Cortez. I want to

442
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 1: ask just or or no, just. I want to get

443
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: maybe this firsthand account of the sequence of events that

444
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: let you to nominate your sister to be UNS, because

445
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,479
Speaker 1: this is so pivotal to me and like it kind

446
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: of gets glossed over, I think in her narrative a

447
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, yes, general society could probably benefit

448
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: from talking about me a little bit more. That's what

449
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: you're saying. That's what I was. That's literally the way

450
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: we felt. I understand. I totally get it. I mean,

451
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: you know, it was, um, it definitely all started. I

452
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 1: fee like two thousand eight. I feel like there was

453
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: pre two thousand eight, and then post two thousand eight,

454
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: and um, me and my sister we lost our father

455
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: September two eight, and then of course, you know, this

456
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: economy decided just to like totally take a left. So

457
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: we were left in a position where it's entirely fan

458
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: for yourself. UM, and my mom's you know, working a

459
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: clean houses. I'm barely a junior in high school, and

460
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: my sister's a freshman, um in college. And it was

461
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: just a totally totally rough spot. But as we start

462
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: to um, you know, see two, where we get to

463
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: the point where you know, I'm in my car and

464
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: the rain, and I only pulled over because I hate

465
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: driving in the rain, so I just I hate I'll

466
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,479
Speaker 1: take the snow, I'll take a blizzard anything, but the rain,

467
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 1: So I pull over and while I'm actually killing time

468
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: in the rain, I nominate my sister. And that's that's

469
00:25:53,240 --> 00:26:02,239
Speaker 1: how it all started. Yeah, in twenty six No, how

470
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: did you know about Brand New Congress. Well, it was everybody. Um,

471
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people that were following Bernie

472
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: Sanders at the time. We're sort of following the main

473
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: message that he was sending, which was that you know,

474
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: even if we get Hillary or Trump, whatever it is,

475
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: if you want to see actual change, it has to

476
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: come through Congress. It has to come through the senators.

477
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: So there was an organization that was tied to Bernie

478
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: Sanders campaign with a parallel and they were called Brand

479
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: New Congress, and they were basically looking for nominations so

480
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,959
Speaker 1: that they could, you know, see whose names are being

481
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: brought in, talk to everyone, and sort of see if

482
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: they're able to place one person in that aligns with

483
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: their values in every congressional district. And I remember just

484
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: I think I probably made my sister sound like like

485
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: she could probably part the seat. I was very adamant about,

486
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: like you better call her. I was like, wow, I

487
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: was like, give her five minutes. I was like, if

488
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: it isn't worth your time. I'll pay you, but give

489
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: her five minutes. I was like, before you say no,

490
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: call her. And I went on and I was like,

491
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: you have to speak with her. I was like, I

492
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: will put because the thing about me and and what

493
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: I also said in this was that I don't blindly

494
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: co sign anyone. You know, if if somebody asked me

495
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: for for me to put my name on something, I

496
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 1: don't take that lightly. And I pretty much put that down.

497
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: And I said, you know, I'll put every piece of

498
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: credibility that I have on the table if that means

499
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: that you'll call her and that you'll talk to her. UM.

500
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: And I said that I don't take that lightly. You know,

501
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm willing to put my entire being on the line. Um.

502
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: And they they heard it, and then I went from there.

503
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: I mean, and this is the thing is that I

504
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: feel like she has even like vocalized this thing where

505
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: she was like, I never really visualized this sort of

506
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: life for myself, this path for myself, And and that

507
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: makes me want to ask you, like and just in

508
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: terms of like in the context of like let's just

509
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: say like gay solipsism or gay like self centeredness, like

510
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: but why like like what like, why her instead of you?

511
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: You know, like, I mean what makes like what like,

512
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: what were the qualitative things in her that you were like,

513
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: she is perfect for this over like somewhere We're like,

514
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: we're I'm sure a lot of people they were probably

515
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: fielding a lot of nominations from people who were like, hey,

516
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: I could probably do this because I know what I'm

517
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: capable of, blah blah. Bright We're like, hey, I'm a

518
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: confident person, so I'm ready to represent like a couple

519
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,719
Speaker 1: of million people. Um, So it's it's definitely. I can

520
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: only imagine, you know that the selection process that they

521
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: had to go through with with just a sheer number

522
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: of people, you can't get back to eleven thousand I

523
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: think submissions something like that. Um yeah, I get this question.

524
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: A lot of just sort of like why not you?

525
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: And I guess it just came down to it just

526
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: wasn't a path that I was looking for in my

527
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: personal life. And you know, I when I nominated her,

528
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: I nominated her knowing that very well, if it worked out,

529
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: it could be the end of my career in real estate,

530
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: It could be the end of a lot of things,

531
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: because I very much understood that things just shake. You know,

532
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: when you shake, the table shakes it back. That's just reality.

533
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: But the need for what she fights for was just

534
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: worth it. It's always worth it, you know what I'm saying.

535
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: And I felt like I knew that if given the opportunity,

536
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: she would be able to take it to a level

537
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: that either I couldn't take it to or that I

538
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: couldn't keep it up, because that just wasn't you know,

539
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: the line of work um and level of dedication that

540
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: I was ready to give something, especially when other people's

541
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: lives around the balance, It's just not something that you

542
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: can play around with. I will never forget seeing her

543
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: campaign video. I was actually I was living in Green

544
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: Point at the time, and so it's just a little

545
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: bit ways away from where where she represents. But I'll

546
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: never forget seeing it. There was just an energy about

547
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: it where she clearly was like bigger than the moment,

548
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: and it wasn't for me. It was not not a

549
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: thing of will she what will she do with the

550
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: sea when she gets nominate, when she gets elected? But

551
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: how far will it go? And we're seeing it go

552
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: to such a crazy place. So I guess for me

553
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: as a brother, it would be kind of crazy to

554
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: watch my sister become a celebrity in this way to

555
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: the point where everyone has an opinion on her. How

556
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: do you deal with that? Because it's to the point

557
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: now where she's on the news no matter what channel,

558
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: it is like being picked apart by whether it's the left,

559
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: the right, wherever. It's kind of seems like everyone has

560
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: an agenda with her. So what is that like to watch? Uh,

561
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: it's tough. It's definitely a lot easier um, but I'd say,

562
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, especially right after she won the primary, and

563
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: it was just like, of course, no no overnight celebrities

564
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: ever overnight. This is obviously a lot of literal blood,

565
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: hears um and nothing but good intentions. And that's that's

566
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 1: all it's ever been, and that's all Little ever remained

567
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: to be. But you know, it was it was crazy

568
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: that I blinked and like I had eighteen voicemails from

569
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: like CNN and Fox and all these random things. It's

570
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot. It's weird. I do like that

571
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: everybody knows how to pronounce my name though major time

572
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: save it's like like not to get cocky, but it's like,

573
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: you know how to say my name. I don't have

574
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: to tell you anything. And the people that are still

575
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,959
Speaker 1: pretending that they don't are like the truest fools ever,

576
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: Like like the hangers on at Fox News like that

577
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: are like okazy oh corties like being crazy. It's like,

578
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: you know, how to say their name a million percent.

579
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: It's like the cartoon evil characters whenever they give them

580
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: that like weird Eastern European like evil accent, like it's like, no, stop, um,

581
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: it's a bondell In. But yeah, I mean it's it's

582
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: it's weird too that the level of um just known

583
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: that she became was so huge, Because most people at

584
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: least have you become an overnight celebrity, it's fractional to

585
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: what she got. So it was just she's one of

586
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: the most famous people in America. It's insane, totally insane. Um, Yeah,

587
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: it's it's it's weird. It's still something that I that

588
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: I have to sort of get a reality check with

589
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: once in a while for sure. What also sticks out

590
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: to me is that you know or is like b

591
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: n C are like meant to like you know, policy

592
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: coach and the media train. Um, these people that they're

593
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: backing but I feel like she kind of was like

594
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: ready to issue, Like she was like ready to go

595
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: as soon as she was out there, and like and

596
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: even she to the point where she is now even

597
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: like coaching people um in Congress about like social media,

598
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,719
Speaker 1: and it's like just just use it authentically, Like if

599
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: you're like a mom who likes to guarden, be a

600
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: mom who likes to garden. Don't be like some like

601
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: pandering to the youth like person. Like it seems like

602
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: she's able to get to some core like philosophy with

603
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: social media that other people just haven't been able to

604
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: figure out. But it's this resp bondsive. It's just very

605
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: like deep, like really really really like organic kind of

606
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: like use that she's sort of like kind of executing

607
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: on or whatever. But like she like anytime she tweets,

608
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: it's like it's like this event. It's like and not

609
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: in the same like parallel way as like Trump, but

610
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: like in this way that's like, oh wait, like let's

611
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: lean in, like what is she's saying today? And that's

612
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: kind of what's most remarkable. Yeah, See, the thing is

613
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: that that's funny is that you know, you you hear

614
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: about her giving classes, you know and and Senate rooms

615
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: and teaching other people that are responsible for other amounts

616
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: of Americans how to communicate with them. And it's weird

617
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: because of course I see it one way, but I'm

618
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: sure that you know, anybody else is not related to

619
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: a politician just must wonder like why is she so good?

620
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: And why are they not so good? And here's the

621
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: thing is that it's not to knock her down and

622
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: see that she doesn't have skills. Obviously she does. The

623
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: reality is that other senators and other congressmen and congresswomen

624
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: are not able to um be authentic because they're paid for.

625
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: You know, if somebody has a vested interest in in

626
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: what you say and you have ventured interest in their

627
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: best benefits because they're funding you, you can't ever speak

628
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: without thinking about what you say eight times. And if

629
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: that's how you are, I mean, especially like any millennial,

630
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: like typing something out ten times before you hit sent.

631
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, even when it's totally authentic.

632
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: Imagine when you know you're not aligned with the interests

633
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: of the people, you know, you're gonna be typing it

634
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: out fifty times and never hitting send because you don't

635
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: want to get canceled. You know what I'm saying, It's

636
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: just this perpetual fear of the inevitable um judgment day.

637
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: When you have so many like shareholders in your job,

638
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 1: it becomes sort of this like paralyzing thing to act

639
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: on any sort of like impulsive thing that like is

640
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: supposed to align with something moral or something like I

641
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: don't know, like something like clear. I mean the whole

642
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: Ed Markey thing. I feel like Ed Markey would not

643
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 1: sort of have proven his like progressive bone of fee

644
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: days without ao c s like sort of like without

645
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: that partnership in the Green New Deal, because I because

646
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: I feel like what Joe Kennedy's doing now is like

647
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: vouluying all these things at him that are like, um,

648
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, he's kind of like buying because he used

649
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: to he was tough on crime and he like you know,

650
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: back to the Crime Bill in the nineties, and he

651
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, was for like you know, he was like

652
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: against integrating schools like back in the day, and he

653
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: like supported the Iraq War. But it's like, oh, but

654
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: all of that sort of becomes irrelevant because Ed Markey

655
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: is sort of proven himself in some progressive way by

656
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: you know, co sponsoring the Green New Deal and stuff

657
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: like that. Definitely, here's my problem with Joe Kennedy is

658
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: that Joe Kennedy is doing all of this for Eagle

659
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: and you can like, I will, I will happily help.

660
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm adding him on a daily basis on

661
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: Twitter basically person like I'll retreat Like here, here's the

662
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,479
Speaker 1: thing with Joe Kennedy is that he's basically saying, vote

663
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Speaker 1: for me because my family has helped you. He's basically saying,

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Speaker 1: bring back in the dynasty because obviously when we elect

665
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: outside of the dynasty, things just go Awryna seems so crazy,

666
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: pick me, you know me And here here's where here's

667
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: what scares me about Joe Kennedy because people, especially younger voters, um,

668
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: if they're not necessarily super engaged, but they're just trying

669
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: to get engaged. What happens is that you know, you

670
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: have like my sister's um her first campaign run with

671
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 1: her sort of visual style, and that got stolen by progressive.

672
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: Its fine because it was a blueprint. That's what happens

673
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: when you create something so um, so intrinsically unique, that's

674
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: so many people respond to. It's going to imprint itself.

675
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: But Joe Kennedy is a biter because here's what he's

676
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: trying to do is that he's taking this blueprint of

677
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: sort of this visual language, and he's basically saying I'm young,

678
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm a Kennedy and sort of walking the walk in

679
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: the way that looks right on camera. And basically he's

680
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: trying to move people. He's trying to sway voters by

681
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: saying Ed Markey's too old, he can't be progressive. So

682
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: here's how I'm gonna smear him, and I hope that

683
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: I make it. Meanwhile, the other um JFK grandson is

684
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: not even following Joe Kennedy on on Instagram or Twitter

685
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: and is publicly supporting Ed Markey. So if you can't

686
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: even get to Kennedy's in the same family to agree

687
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: on a candidate, then who are you to convince me

688
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: you can't even get your cousin to vote for you. Oh,

689
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: just facts are facts, you know. It's just the thing

690
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: I feel is like I can't say that two years ago,

691
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: three years ago, I wouldn't have been one of those

692
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: people that didn't see a younger person on the ticket,

693
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: a name I knew that was a soociated with democratic

694
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: values and check that name, because why wouldn't you. I

695
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: don't know who this older person is. I don't know

696
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: the policy. But the thing is that's changed, I think

697
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: in the past eighteen months to two years and maybe

698
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: even progressively throughout the Trump administration, is that on a

699
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 1: wider scale, people are understanding the policy itself. And also

700
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: all they have to do is follow the endorsements, like

701
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 1: ed Monkey has every progressive endorsement that you could possibly want,

702
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: so really the question of who to follow there is

703
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: pretty clear. And also the thing that's been great about

704
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: social media, I think is like people do get fired

705
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: up about it because people do see very clearly through

706
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: what Kennedy is doing. And I do think that that

707
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: is one that one good thing about, you know, social

708
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: media and the media being so sensitive, is you really

709
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: can't hide anymore no matter because people can find things.

710
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's always only a matter of time, right

711
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: And ultimately you look at the two records compared, and

712
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: it's almost it's it might as well be like a

713
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: Republican running, you know what I mean. At this point,

714
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: it's like if if we're going to turn the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party into what we needed to be. Then in races

716
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: like this primary, where we have a choice, we will

717
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: pick the more progressive option. We will fight for the

718
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: more progressive option. You know, in the general we're going

719
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: to be voting for Biden and Harris because that's all

720
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: we have. But in these primary races like we have

721
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: to be putting all of our energy into supporting, donating to,

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00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: and elevating these truly progressive candidates. And I think that

723
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: that that we've seen a see change in the way

724
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: that works lately in a way that's encouraging definitely. The

725
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: The interesting thing about the the Massachusetts rights that this

726
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: is the marquee races that which will be decided about

727
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: the time it comes out, it will be decided, but hopefully.

728
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: But the thing is that it's an incumbent who is

729
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: the more progressive candidate. But it's sort of the inverted

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Speaker 1: thing we've we've seen mostly be inverted thing like between

731
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: Joe Crowley. See it's like the incumbent is sort of

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00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: to the right or whatever or with them with Corey

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Speaker 1: and and the Clay Clay yeah class like you know

734
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Speaker 1: you have I mean, this is like a this is

735
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: a fun sort of like fun house mirror version of

736
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: like all of that, plus it's set against this like

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00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: crazy political dynasty um and just the fact that it's

738
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Speaker 1: in the same state as this Alex Moore stuff, which

739
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: is also what do you which I saw you were

740
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: posting about today? Definitely, definitely. So it's so it's but

741
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: speaking of like everything will come out, like even when

742
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: it comes out, it's like if it's improperly weaponized or used,

743
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: it fully backfires. I think, I hope, and I don't

744
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: gonna need to explain what this is to the readers. Okay,

745
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 1: might not? Yeah, do you mind? Do you want to? Definitely?

746
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: So here's here's what was that. We have Alex Morris

747
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: who's running against Richard Neil in Massachusetts. Massachusetts is first

748
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: m one right okay, and he's running again Richard Neil,

749
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: who is the head of the Committee on Ways and Means,

750
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: and essentially Richard Neil is being bankrolled by tons of

751
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: dark money and essentially he's the main reason why Medicare

752
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: for All can't go forward. He's the main reason why

753
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: the tail can't go forward because he essentially presents it

754
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: in a way that there are no weas or means

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00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 1: for it. To occur, right, So the thing about Richard

756
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: Neil is that um, although there isn't any proof to it,

757
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna get myself caught up in a

758
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: bad sound bite, is that there is an investigation that

759
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 1: has come out after some people have claimed that encounters

760
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: on dating apps with Alex that they entered into and

761
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: continued in totally of their own accord. We're making them uncomfortable.

762
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: Although Alex was never notified of this. Mr Morse was

763
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: never notified of this, and they get represented in a

764
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: letter written by an attorney from the Massachusetts Democratic Party.

765
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Speaker 1: So we have the system essentially aligning UM, and it

766
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: very much reads as if the established power, which reflects

767
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: Richard Neil, is going ahead and creating UM and fabricating

768
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: untrue things in order to defeat a progressive opponent. And you'll,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you haven't seen the debates between Mr

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00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: Neil and Mr Morris, they're very good, and it's so

771
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: easy to see that Alex is under his skin without

772
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: raising his voice, without doing anything other than state the facts.

773
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: And when stating the facts is killing someone, Obviously, that's

774
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: something that you have to pay attention to. Absolutely, and

775
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: also just It's just so interesting to me how the

776
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: rules seem to not apply to the establishment, and like

777
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: the pearl clutching that goes on about anything that progressives do,

778
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: such as you know, Pelosi's endorsement of Kennedy. Correct. And

779
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: here's the important thing about that is that she said, Okay,

780
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: I'm not going to support anybody that's going against an incumbent.

781
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: She said that, and that was supposed to be her

782
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: general policy. That's funny enough. She's like, um, too progressive,

783
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: Like why then do we need a planet anyways? And

784
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: why why is support the Green New Deal. Let me

785
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: just go ahead, go back on what I said and

786
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: go ahead and support the family dynasty candidate who is

787
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: young but going against his own future of the planet

788
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: for the sake of just achieving some kind of you know, fantasy. Yeah,

789
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: someone that has a job already, dude, Like, get out

790
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: this funk out. Losing your ship over the Green New

791
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: Deal is so embarrassing to me because wait for it,

792
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: it's just a resolution. It's just a set of guidelines

793
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: that are like putting a north Star out there to

794
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: be like, let's have zero carbon emissions by this year.

795
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: Like it's that's all it's doing. It's not saying we're

796
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: taking these jobs away. It's not saying we're like fucking

797
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: shut up. It's saying, hey, this is a goal goal setting.

798
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: It's just exactly and that's all it is. And the

799
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: fact that you have these establishment democrats like wanting to

800
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: like melt down over it and like backing from their

801
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: word and endorsing these like primary challengers is so so

802
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: so like infuriating and pathetic to me. But the Alex

803
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: Moore thing, I know, but like, I mean, Gabe, you

804
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: do you nailed it? Uh. The thing that the petty

805
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 1: thing that I want to bring up is the person

806
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: who unearthed all of these tender exchanges between Alex Morris's

807
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: and these um her students was this guy who took

808
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: one of Richard Neil's classes I think at am Hurst

809
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: and was like, I want him to get get me

810
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: a job. And that's why I am. It's motivated by

811
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: this like dumb neoliberal thing of like, oh, there's there's

812
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: something to gain out of this, so let me like

813
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: go out of my way. I mean, you know, somebody's

814
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: got to be judas, somebody's gonna be bought, somebody's gonna

815
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: be paid for most for there's so few exceptions that

816
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: I just do have to say that everyone has a price,

817
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 1: and for some people it's it's nothing more than fifty

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00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: grand a year in benefits. Granted, you know it's not

819
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: I'm not knocking that because so many people out there

820
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: are suffering and that could be the difference between them

821
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: and their kids having insurance. And you know, it's it

822
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: is life changing for some people. But when you look

823
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: at you know who these people are and what they're

824
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: actually selling it for, and the money that they come from,

825
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: and the established power that they already have, they're really

826
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: selling it for nothing. Yeah, I just I have to

827
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: ask because it's covered a lot in Knockdown the House

828
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: in the documentary, which is actually how we found out

829
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: that it was you that nominated your sister to brand

830
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: new Congress. But they talk about how once you start

831
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: to show promise are once you start to show a

832
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: challenge to the establishment, the establishment will then come in

833
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: and sort of offer you a job and try to

834
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: offer you the world. Do you think that that's something

835
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: that your sister has dealt with. I think that they

836
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: have to see you as a threat in order to

837
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: offer that to you. First, and I think they looked

838
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: at her and they were like, she's you know, just

839
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: like some bitch from the Bronx, right, just something they

840
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: just didn't and it's like, what could she know? What

841
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: could she do? But the thing is that it was

842
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: never about her or she It wasn't it wasn't about

843
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: an individual. It was always about the fact that she

844
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: was representing a collective group of lots of people. But

845
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: they just did not understand that. You know, they wanted

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Speaker 1: they essentially needed to have their arm bent, you know,

847
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: in order to see that. But it's it's like, why

848
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: would you, um, why why would we go ahead and

849
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: twist your arm for you to see us if we

850
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: could just go ahead and replace you and you you

851
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: really do see that with um. You know political commentators

852
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: that UM interview your sister, like, for example, I'll just

853
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: use Megan McCain as an example, when your sister went

854
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: on the view UM. Someone like Megan McCain has such

855
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: a uh, just bad taste to her mouth immediately because

856
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: she just has an ad version chart and really because

857
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: she has an inability to see that this person is

858
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 1: literally for the people and not in like a political

859
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: way like people that are in political dynasties, are involved

860
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: with political dynasties. It's very clear to me that they

861
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: they think, well, it's politics, so there must be an

862
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: ulterior motive because that's all they know. And you see

863
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 1: that in the way that politics has covered to for example,

864
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: like the way that I feel that they treat your

865
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: sister and MSNBC even on even on like the liberal network,

866
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: like they still there is network. Everyone's listening. It's like

867
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: except the young Turms. Kidding well, I love the young Turts.

868
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: I like, here's the thing about Megan McKean is that

869
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: you know it's listen to me. I have plenty of

870
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: differences with her, and I'm not even gonna get into it,

871
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: but I will say that at least um, I think

872
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: she has a basic understanding and value for her name,

873
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: and she very I believe she's smart enough to know

874
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: that if she was to go ahead and run for

875
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: her father's seat, she could probably win in a landslide.

876
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: And she chooses Nazi. She decides to let the system

877
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: and the establishment and the people choose who they want.

878
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: And I have you have to respect that ure. And

879
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: but one of the thing is that funny enough, I

880
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: think she actually agreed with my system more than Woody

881
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: Goldberg dig because what gold would be at least in

882
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: the In one of the segments, I think prior to

883
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: them having her on the show, they were like, Oh,

884
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: she's a bartender, what could she know? And it's like,

885
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: what what were you doing before you started acting in

886
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: successful gigs. It's like, you know, especially in this day

887
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: and age where um, just everybody needs our help, you know,

888
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: just getting forward. I especially when that's part of just

889
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: the greater social discussion. I just don't that just goes

890
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: to show that, you know, challenging something new is just

891
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: sort of a little bit natural for people that have

892
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: grown to be a part of the establishment. Just one

893
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: more thing about that is that I think that another

894
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: element of this obviously is that whenever, whenever she is

895
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: challenging something, and I think that's might have been where

896
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: like people were coming from, like in that particular instance

897
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: on the view is it's like, I think there is

898
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 1: an element obviously of racism and sexism when it comes

899
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: to someone like your sister speaking up because they think, oh,

900
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: she's being disrespectful. Like there's this like weird mentality around

901
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: AOC like when it comes to Biden and her criticisms

902
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: of Biden or people like him. It's like, you need

903
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: to slow your role. You're being disrespectful. These people are

904
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: not all bought and evil like you're saying, and which

905
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: is not what she's even saying in brass tacks, but

906
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: but you need to understand that people before you have

907
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: done a lot, and that sort of dismisses the immediacy

908
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: of what she is saying. And I feel that that

909
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: is targeting her in a way that they wouldn't target

910
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: someone that, say, looked like Joe Kennedy and was espousing

911
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: the ideals that your sister does its respectability politics. Yeah, right,

912
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: a million percent. I mean it's um. The reality is

913
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: that if she was in a different physical form, it

914
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: would be smooth, you know, it would be it would

915
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: be easier because she would be in a form that's

916
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: more palatable to the establishment. But because she's not the

917
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: ideal family dynasty candidate, because she's not in the form

918
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: of a Joe Kennedy, you know she's going to be

919
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: um put into positions where the establishment is going to

920
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: try to, you know, paint her off as like a

921
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: feisty like Sophia ved gotta and they're going to try

922
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: to make you a caricature because the easier it is

923
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: to draw you with a few lines, um, you know,

924
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 1: the easier it is for them just to go ahead

925
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: and close in that box around you. Sure, sure, Um.

926
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: I did want to point out this thing that I

927
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: thought was kind of great and like I think it

928
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: was like a moment where you saw Joe Crowley sort

929
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: of like buckle a bit was it was one of

930
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: the what like two debates that he actually showed up

931
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: to when um during the primary. But it's this thing

932
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: of like collectivism that you're talking about, Gabe, where it's

933
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: like she the question was, would the would the candidates

934
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: endorse the other candidate whoever won the primary? Basically, so

935
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: would would Joe Crowley endorsed c what AOC endors Joe

936
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: Crowley if they want? And Joe Crowley says, yes, I'll

937
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: endorse AOC, And then your sister goes, I'm happy to

938
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: take that question to my movement and put that up

939
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 1: for a vote if for that for it to always

940
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: go back to that is so important and so huge

941
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: and like kind of like I don't know, like drills

942
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 1: it into into my head like I'm watching and I'm like, oh, wait,

943
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 1: that's what this is about. It's not about this individualist

944
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: thing of like she's the only one who can do this.

945
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: It's no, it's she's being backed by people who need

946
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: need change or there's one collectivist voice in your ear.

947
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: And it's not like this thing where other candidates have

948
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: other private interests a million of them in therriers, right.

949
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: It's like she has one s like stakeholder in her

950
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: political life and that's her constituents. That's It's as simple

951
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: as that. Yeah, And it's it's just wild that we

952
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: got to this point in our society where we were

953
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 1: just largely cool with autopilot. It's it's totally totally irresponsible.

954
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like you constantly read about people like

955
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: into accidents while they're on autopilot, and you're like, oh,

956
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 1: like if they're only paying attention, But how many decades

957
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: was the mass of the bulk of our society just

958
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: not paying attention exactly? And it seems so insane and

959
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: revolutionary that it's just like, oh, just listen to the

960
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: voters who would have thought it's just we we have

961
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: to recognize that, yes, it's exceptional that she's doing that,

962
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: but we still have to bring it down to the

963
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: basic level of like this is what everyone should be doing.

964
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: It's representative government, which is like it shouldn't be this thing.

965
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's like they to go back to

966
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: your analogy. It's like the person wouldn't have gone to

967
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: that that acts had autopilot not been invented or whatever.

968
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, anyway, it was invented because they

969
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: told us we could invent it and don't worry, Like,

970
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: don't we don't worry. We have something that's going to

971
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: take care of you. I remember growing up and being

972
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: in school and the mentality very much being like, and

973
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: that's government is something that other people do you know,

974
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: there's it doesn't it can be for you or people

975
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: like you, And how would you even start? And you

976
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's just like it feels like

977
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: something you'd have to put a life's work into a

978
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: specific thing. You have to go into law, or you

979
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 1: have to do this or that. But I really love

980
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: just like in watching Knock Down the House, which I

981
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: believe everyone should wash. If you have not watched it,

982
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: we've talked about it at nauseam on the podcast. But

983
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: it's not just Alexandria Acazio Cortez. It's you know, Corey Bush,

984
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: who Pologene swearing in and it's um you know, um

985
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: Amy Valela. And these are amazing stories all for and

986
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: only one, you know, quote unquote has a happy ending

987
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: in terms of the result of the election. But what

988
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: you can know is that from going forward, you know,

989
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: Corey Bush did win her primary this year and will

990
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 1: be elected to Congress barring something crazy, and Apologene is

991
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: running again and like pulling better. And so this is

992
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: it's frustrating to watch that documentary because you see people

993
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: who are just in it for the people, and are

994
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: just in it for the for health care, for for

995
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 1: medicare for all, and are just in there for a

996
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: better earth and a better fighting chance for the people

997
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: that really haven't had one, and to see them run

998
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: up against these like roadblocks, which are the establishment just

999
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: like so dead set on keeping things the way that

1000
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: they are. And what I would say to everyone who

1001
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: needs it, like really spelled out clearly is it's it

1002
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: has never been okay, you know what I mean. It's

1003
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: just it's not just not okay now because of Trump.

1004
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: This system allowed Trump like this system being was essentially

1005
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: really for a Trump to come in. They just had

1006
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: to do it. So it's like, I guess that's my

1007
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: own little endorsement of the film. And the one thing

1008
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask about it was in terms of

1009
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: the crew shooting it was that just something because it

1010
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: was it's kind of crazy that they followed your sister

1011
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: from the beginning with her going to get ice from

1012
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: the basement at the bar and then like her standing

1013
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: at the end of the documentary in front of the

1014
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: Capitol building. It's crazy. You know, it's Rachel the director

1015
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 1: of Knockdown the House. She is so easy to forget

1016
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: that you're there. She is brilliant at just finding that

1017
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: one little corner, and you know, she's she's a little

1018
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: bit smaller, she's got a type frame, she's got the

1019
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: camera worked up so like she's totally condensed into um

1020
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: like a one form with this with this camera, and

1021
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: it's like when you're watching reality TV and you're like,

1022
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: there's no way that they forget that the cameras are there.

1023
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: That like you assume that the cameras just like in

1024
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: your face, like like a microphone on a stick. You

1025
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: know it because of this not the case, like sometimes

1026
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: I would scratch my chest into like, oh no, I've

1027
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: got a mike on, you know. Not that I'm ever

1028
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: saying anything too crazy, but it's it's definitely easier to

1029
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: um to get into it with them there than than

1030
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: you would imagine all documentarians should be small and that's

1031
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: actually documents. So they were just following you're said, were

1032
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: they following a ton of people from brand new Congress

1033
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: and saying we'll see who works out if any. They

1034
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: followed four um, so it was just this f It

1035
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: was just those four that I understand, and they filmed

1036
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: a good chunk after it too. They actually filmed all

1037
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: the way until November, so there's a lot that happens

1038
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: in those summer months that are just not you know,

1039
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: on film. Because my understanding after talking with Rachel um

1040
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: at the at the premiere that they did at Bernard,

1041
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: is that she basically just thought that the understanding would

1042
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: be that, Okay, they the primary in a deeply blue

1043
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: blue area, then it's pretty much gonna be good until

1044
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: the end. Um and everybody knows that she once they

1045
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: felt there it just would be a little bit redundant.

1046
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: So I get I get why they did it, but

1047
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: there's so much that's not included in that. Mm hmm, yeah,

1048
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: very interesting. It is pretty unbelievable that it worked out

1049
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: the way it did, I mean narratively, just in terms

1050
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: of like from filmmaking, I'm like, this is crazy, Like

1051
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: it's so thrilling and gratifying to watch and also to

1052
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: know that she's not to be like not just someone

1053
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: who got into Congress, but you know, literally the face

1054
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: and start for so many people watching anyway of something

1055
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: so much bigger. I've only seen it like barely twice.

1056
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: I've only seen it like once. It's just it's so

1057
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: it's just so just meta, it's just so weird. And

1058
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: then even then just the other three stories, they all

1059
00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: made me cry. Um And it's just a reminder of um,

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00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: where we are in America because the reality is that

1061
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: you these people that are running have the first hand

1062
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: loss and the first hand lived experience of what happens

1063
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: when the policy fails you you know, and it's like

1064
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: you can't find somebody that's better experienced in that situation

1065
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: because it happened to them, you know, literally like que

1066
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga Mze until it happens to you. It's just

1067
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: very real, like it is. Until it happens to you,

1068
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: you just don't you will never know. Um, so it's

1069
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: just you couldn't. I don't think that you could get

1070
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: better people to run in the districts that than the

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00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: four women that were presented. Yeah, and tell me what

1072
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: the hell do you know? What the hell do you Okay,

1073
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: we'll take a quick break and then we're gonna ask

1074
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: Gabriel the question. Okay, great, perfect, Okay, we're back with

1075
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: Gabriel Kaser Cortes. Gabriel, we would ask you the question

1076
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: we ask all of our guests, which is what is

1077
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: the culture that made you say? Culture is for me?

1078
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: And Matt explain what that means. So this is that

1079
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: thing that comes along in your life in the realm

1080
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: of pop culture, and you're like, oh, I feel seen

1081
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: by this. My my being is I'm powerless against this.

1082
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: It has an influence on me and the rest of

1083
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: my life is dictated by this, maybe even entirely. Okay,

1084
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: no pressure, right, it's culture. Okay, So two moments, one event,

1085
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: and it comes full circle. All right, damn, Okay, I

1086
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: love it. So here's where we are. Um, it's February Graham, Okay,

1087
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: it so basically I think my dad is in the

1088
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: hospital at this time. The last year was was difficult.

1089
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: It was a lot of in and out. Um, And

1090
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: just like any kid that's going through this, at least

1091
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: for those that understand, you know, you'll understand. It's that

1092
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: you assume every time the last so you know you're

1093
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: in this. I'm in this really fragile, you know, emotional state. Um,

1094
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: I just turned fifteen like two months before, so like

1095
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: all intensive purposes, I'm like fourteen. So we're looking at

1096
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: the Grammys and I've watched the Grammys every year that

1097
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: I've been able to have the cognitive awareness enough to

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01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: put on love the Grammys's a guilty pleasure. Um, we'll

1099
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: talk about the color. She absolutely on that. We're watching it.

1100
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: And you know, Kanye West, God rest his soul is

1101
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: on the Grammys, and he was so fresh, his style

1102
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: was so He's obviously a taste maker, and he was

1103
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: a force to be reckoned with. He was everything at

1104
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: that time. He was being pregnant. Whatever. I hope. So

1105
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: I hope she's wish everybody's best. Whatever she is, we

1106
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: hope she's well exactly you're good. So Kanye. I'm watching

1107
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: Kanye and he starts off and he starts singing, hey

1108
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: my because he had just lost his mom. And I'm

1109
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: watching this artist in front of me, and I'm seeing

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01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: what I assume i'll be in soon enough, and I'm

1111
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: seeing his heartbreak and seeing his pain, and I'm just like,

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01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: I guess this is how a creative mourns. You have

1113
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: no choice but to perform, you know, And it's not

1114
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: necessarily just being on the stage. It's just, you know,

1115
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: fake it till you make it in the saddest sense,

1116
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And you're watching him and

1117
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: he's reciting these lyrics. Um, you know you never put

1118
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: no man over me. And I love you for that. Mom.

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01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: You can't just see seven years old like going through

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01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: it and he's struggling so much. And I'm next to

1121
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: my mom on the couch in our tiny tiny house

1122
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: that they that like Fox likes to portray was like

1123
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: Maria's carry mansion when it was like best and it's

1124
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: like I didn't even know they were framing it like

1125
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: that anyways. So it's me and my mom and this

1126
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: oversize great Dane that did not belong in the house

1127
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: that's and we're watching this and I'm just like, I

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01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: have a few tears just running down my eyes, and

1129
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: she just like, you know, giving my space. I was

1130
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: just I'm that type of person when I'm upset, you

1131
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: just gotta let me be, don't chase me. And I'm

1132
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: watching it and then I see him going too stronger

1133
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: immediately like seconds after he finished his Hey mama, And

1134
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: I remember looking at this and I'm just like, this

1135
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: man is broken. This man is totally destroyed. He will

1136
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: never be the same and it was never the same.

1137
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: And he's just out here giving his all because that's

1138
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: what that's the job of the creative is that you

1139
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 1: you have to deliver, you have to perform, you have

1140
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: to you have to. That's just what it is. And

1141
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: that same event the Grammys that I guess, like what

1142
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: thirty minutes later, whatever you have, Amy Winehouse, I mean

1143
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: you talk about a bucket of talent, I mean overflowing that.

1144
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: There's hardly anybody that even matches her. Adele maybe you know,

1145
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: but there's nobody that will ever be like her. Um

1146
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: and you see her, and you see her because they

1147
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: denied her visa. UM come into the US for due

1148
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: to tabloids. They were like no, so she was performing

1149
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: live when I think like a venue in like Camden, London,

1150
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: and I think Tony Bennett reads off the wind and

1151
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: they cut to her and everybody around her is just

1152
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: losing their mind and she's just she's just like she

1153
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: couldn't believe that, like just absolute. And I watched it

1154
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: again this morning and it's only like five seconds that

1155
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: you know, she's just kind of like what's going on?

1156
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: But I remember being in that moment and feeling so

1157
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: fragile and looking at her and seeing that this was

1158
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: also you know, another broken human being, you know, somebody

1159
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: that's just stuck, you know, and it and then of

1160
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: course you know the crowded rops and it's Amy Winehouse

1161
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: and huge. I think she brought him like five Grammy's

1162
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: that night, and yeah, and it was I think the

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01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: most taken home by a woman in Grammy history until

1164
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: like Beyonce, Um I Am, Sasha Fierce and then Adele

1165
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 1: match Chart I think bringing home six or eight in

1166
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: the same night. But it was it was literally record breaking.

1167
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: But for you could you could just it was just

1168
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: so clear on her face that um, she was just

1169
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: grateful to be noticed, let alone get to that level.

1170
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: So for me, I remember walking away from that and

1171
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: I felt like what it taught me was that there's

1172
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: no part of of any product that gets given to

1173
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: the public that doesn't come with this major sacrifice. And

1174
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: you look at Kanye West and he loses his mom,

1175
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: his world, you know, and it sent him on a

1176
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,439
Speaker 1: life path that is where he is now, where he's

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01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: you know, essentially compromising all of our collective safety by

1178
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: running for president. And then I look at what happened

1179
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: in my life with my dad dying and where it

1180
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: left me and my sister, and it's just a constant

1181
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: reminder that one event can just send you one way

1182
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 1: or the other. You know, you've got her trying to

1183
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,959
Speaker 1: keep our democracy legitimate and you've got him essentially trying

1184
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: to undermine it. And how can you not look at

1185
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:31,439
Speaker 1: it and just be like, what happened? You know? It's

1186
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: it's intense. I mean the fact that at like fourteen fifteen,

1187
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: you're able to like have that like locus of like

1188
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: clarity around like seeing someone on the TV, being like

1189
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: that person is broken and to them like yeah, it

1190
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: is a full circle thing to then connected back to

1191
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: like what's going on today with him and then also

1192
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: as it relates in this inverted way to your sister

1193
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 1: and you is wild. Oh my god, thank you for

1194
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: sharing that. Yeah, that was great. Also talk about it.

1195
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: Another terrific documentary film is Amy. Have you seen that?

1196
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 1: It's just amazing, And it's just you know what I

1197
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: really you know what I really loved about it was

1198
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: it captured that this is something that I think we

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01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: lose sometimes and when we lose the humanity of these

1200
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: people when they become super famous. Is it captured her

1201
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: humor And I thought when she's like giving the tour

1202
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 1: of her house and that like character and ultimately it

1203
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: just it made it hurt even more. But but she

1204
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: was such a funny person, like on top of being

1205
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: like a talent that we have not seen. I would

1206
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 1: argue we have not seen Um. And I also think

1207
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: she should have gone six or six that Grammys because

1208
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: she lost that UM album a year to the Herbie

1209
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: Hancock Joni Mitchell album that he did River, the Herbie

1210
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: Hancock did like a Joni Mitchell album and that one

1211
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: the Grammys Hancock, But fucking awful timing. I'm so sorry.

1212
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: I just so there the fact that let's just get

1213
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: into it. Then Grammys, what are you doing? You nominate

1214
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: jay Z eight times just to get the viewership, just

1215
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 1: to next and for the sake of basically taking a

1216
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: dog and rubbing their face in its saying don't don't

1217
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: disturb the established order. Right, So that's one thing, And

1218
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 1: then how do you not give Beyonce album of the

1219
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: Year selling eight copies in what two days? Changing the

1220
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: market for music forever? Everybody state is on a Friday now,

1221
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: which a lot of people on the back of a

1222
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: lot of people just that just listen to music, don't

1223
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 1: really understand how much that changed the entire The Tuesday

1224
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: to Friday shift was huge. It's h it changed charting

1225
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: in the formulas for forever um. And to not give

1226
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: her and besides the fact that it was huge, it

1227
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 1: was the best album of that year and in that category,

1228
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: and to give it a herbian cock is basically just uh.

1229
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: It served its purpose, which was to say to Beyonce, hey,

1230
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: you're not too big for us to make you loose. Well,

1231
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: the thing about Beyonce is she really should have two

1232
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: Albums of the Year Grammys because I feel like something

1233
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: you know, what if we're going to give them the

1234
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt, which we shouldn't like. Sometimes things happen,

1235
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes they think one album is better than the other. Whatever.

1236
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: For me, Beyonce Is Self Titled was the defining album

1237
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: of that year. When that album came out at midnight.

1238
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: I'll never forget where I was. I'll never forgetting how

1239
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: I felt. I'll never forget the weeks following I can

1240
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: do you the first thing, oh girl, And I remember

1241
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: you saying this feels like a sick dream, and that's

1242
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: that's my memory of that relief. I'll never forget. It

1243
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 1: was like twelve oh four and for some reason, my my,

1244
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: I'd never go on iTunes. For some reason, I was like,

1245
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 1: I mosied over to iTunes and I just saw Beyonce

1246
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: and that iconic font on that like black background, and

1247
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: I was like, knockout fund the font is called knockout Yes,

1248
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 1: well there you go, and graphic design zone boone yang um.

1249
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 1: But I was like, this can't be a whole album.

1250
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: And then to see that was a visual album like that.

1251
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 1: For anyone that loves music and loves Beyonce and loves

1252
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: just joy, that was such a moment and for her

1253
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: to also not only just put out an album, but

1254
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 1: revolutionize herself as an artist, to make herself into some

1255
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: reincarnate really like a new spirit. Was like born, but

1256
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: so whatever. They didn't give it to that one, but

1257
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: the Lemonade snub just to give it to Adele for

1258
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: an album that was a redux of the first album

1259
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,640
Speaker 1: she had one album of the year. For that, to

1260
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 1: me was truly unacceptable because Lemonade is I mean, if

1261
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna say Beyonce is amazing but not a cohesive work,

1262
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: you're insane. But I guess Lemonade is an unbelievable cohesive

1263
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 1: work that is about something specific. It is it is

1264
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: a change in the artist when she how could she

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01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 1: possibly get even better? I mean, to me, it's just

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01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 1: like I I invalidate them now almost completely because they

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01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: did that. And here's the thing about the self titled

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01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 1: is that it was arguably ahead of itself with the

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01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: philosophy of everyone is so focused on the single and

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01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: on the quick pace and nobody's looking at the bigger picture,

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01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 1: which is what that album was about, which is why

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01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: there was a video for us about the feeling of

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01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: watching Michael Jackson and MTV and the way music used

1274
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: to be given to us where we would have to

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01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,600
Speaker 1: listen to the record, and how just sort of like

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01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 1: the way TikTok is sort of taking our attention spans

1277
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,640
Speaker 1: back down. You know, it's it's a comment on on that.

1278
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 1: So it's it's one thing to snub, but then when

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01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: she comes back doubles down on her message and goes

1280
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 1: ahead and issues this entirely different body of work than

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01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 1: to snub that. Just you could tell it hurt her too,

1282
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 1: you could tell, because the thing about these artists is

1283
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: like you think, like you get to a certain point

1284
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: in your career and like it doesn't matter, but it

1285
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: does because it's like it really is a recognition and

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01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: and that's all people really because at the in our hearts,

1287
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 1: like we can say it's because we want to make

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01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 1: people laugh or you want to make people dance or whatever,

1289
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,560
Speaker 1: but really this is like it's it's your art. And

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01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:17,719
Speaker 1: to be to know that you've completed, um, something amazing

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01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,560
Speaker 1: and something that no one else could have done, and

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01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 1: then to see them make that safe commercial decision because

1293
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 1: someone else has sold more records um because artistically they're

1294
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 1: not in comparison, is just so disheartening and to see

1295
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: her there in the front row and like only received

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01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:38,560
Speaker 1: like I think Urban Alternative album right, which basically says like, oh, like,

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01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,560
Speaker 1: we like you as a black person, but not not

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01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 1: not the album of the year, because we've got to

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01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: put you against the rest of of what we've got.

1300
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: And the thing is that, you know it's you. You'll

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01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: have people that say, oh, but the Grammys can't eat her.

1302
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: She has like twenty four whatever it is, she's got

1303
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 1: the most, like the outside of Allison Krawse, she's got

1304
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 1: the most. But there is you have to understand like

1305
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: they're they're segregating it. That's what they're doing, totally totally,

1306
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: and that's why I totally stand by Talley of the

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01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 1: Creator when he was like, okay, you're basically you know

1308
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: just I think he was making the comparison to being

1309
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 1: a field slave or a house slave. It's like, yeah,

1310
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 1: you bumped me up a little bit, but you know

1311
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: what does that mean if I'm so asleeve? And the

1312
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 1: thing is that you know, people are like, oh, so

1313
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 1: many Grammys, and it's like yeah, because they were giving

1314
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 1: her like basically crumbs for Destiny's child and for little

1315
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 1: things and for like little pop performances here and there.

1316
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: So when you look at on people, it's like, WHOA,

1317
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 1: she's got an impressive amount of Grammys, which she does.

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01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: They're not giving her front runner grammat and general have

1319
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 1: to understand. And there is something too when people dismiss

1320
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 1: the Grammys as and and I know you might have

1321
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,719
Speaker 1: just said this map, but it's like when people dismissed

1322
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 1: the Grammys as, oh, it's it's this, you know, you know,

1323
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,560
Speaker 1: their cares whatever, right, But it's like whether or not

1324
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: you believe that art is art, what art isn't until

1325
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 1: it's evaluated or something. It's still this thing where if

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01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 1: it's not being recognized by like an institutional thing, whether

1327
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: however much you value that where if you don't give

1328
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: it power, it's still meaningful in some way to the artist.

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01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: It depends on the artist. And I think Beyonce someone

1330
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 1: who is in some way like an institutionalist as far

1331
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 1: as the music industry goes, like I think she would

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01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 1: have like I loved that recognition. Well, she the thing is,

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01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 1: she deserved it. And I'm actually I'm happy that we're

1334
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 1: talking about this because it actually loops around to what

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01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: I started bringing up in this podcast, which is this

1336
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:40,839
Speaker 1: Mariah Carey New York Magazine interview, because you know, Mariah

1337
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 1: has only one five Grammys out of her entire career,

1338
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:50,520
Speaker 1: and she is she is the revolutionary. She is a revolutionary,

1339
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 1: one of maybe five female artists that have done what

1340
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 1: she has done. I mean, it's like Madonna, Maria Whitney,

1341
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, and beyond. And the thing about Mariah is

1342
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 1: she is a real songwriter, a real producer, and a

1343
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 1: singer that we've never seen the likes of and probably

1344
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: will never again in terms of like the specific tone, range, ability,

1345
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:19,560
Speaker 1: emotion that she can convey. And they discuss in this

1346
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 1: piece how a lot of her book that's going to

1347
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 1: be coming out is about how she um deals with

1348
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: being mixed race and how she was marketed in the

1349
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,679
Speaker 1: beginning of her career by her white record executive husband

1350
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,680
Speaker 1: as white and they tried to keep her very like

1351
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: Even the critics that would review her music were like,

1352
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: she's a white singer who sounds black. She's a white singer,

1353
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 1: white singer, white singer. And she dealt for the first

1354
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 1: six or seven years, which is a really long time

1355
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:51,839
Speaker 1: in your professional career where they were really like tampering

1356
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:54,640
Speaker 1: down her blackness, and they would not allow her to

1357
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: explore that musical side of herself. And I think that

1358
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 1: as a result of doing that, it's kind of crazy

1359
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 1: that she was able to have the massive success that

1360
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: she had and crossover successes she had because she was

1361
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: being so like, in a calculated way, kept from what

1362
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: her artistic impulses were. And I think the Grammy thing,

1363
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,759
Speaker 1: it's actually no surprise that she's only one five because

1364
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: they are segregated categories and she was never black enough

1365
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:23,640
Speaker 1: for the black categories and was never white enough for

1366
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 1: the white categories. And it's like really crazy because she's

1367
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 1: Mariah Carrey. Like I don't think anybody else could even

1368
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 1: sell a quarter of the records that she sold and

1369
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 1: not have at least like fifteen Grammys. Yeah, it's just

1370
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 1: that the number, that's the number insane. Like I'd say

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01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 1: she she's minimum sixteen Grammys front runner, you know, categories

1372
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 1: Best vocal Performance, etcetera. This is a fun game to

1373
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 1: quantify the number of Grammys and artists deserves. I mean this,

1374
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 1: I'm like, you can do this with any one, Like

1375
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 1: Katy Perry has never won when I think she deserves

1376
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 1: at least three she deserves she deserves, right. I don't

1377
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 1: love I don't stand Katy Perry in the way that

1378
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people know, but I agree with you.

1379
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 1: She feels consequential enough where you think she'd have a few. Yeah. Yes,

1380
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,600
Speaker 1: So it's like with with Mariah. With Mariah, it's like

1381
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: I think at least sixteen because the thing too about

1382
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,560
Speaker 1: Mariah and she's constantly ahead of her time, constantly like

1383
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 1: when she released Butterfly and ninety seven, and they talked

1384
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 1: about this in the article and I really recommend the

1385
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:35,680
Speaker 1: article now that that I'm Davis, who's the best um?

1386
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 1: But she also talks about how you know that Butterfly

1387
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 1: album like pop music, like pop artists were not crossing

1388
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 1: over into R and B as much. There was not

1389
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 1: like that pop R and B vibe until she really

1390
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 1: like made that like a mainstream thing. And also she

1391
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: kind of revolutionized having features like O d B when

1392
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 1: he was on the Fantasy Remix, like Huge Deal Jay

1393
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: z On, like Heartbreaker on Hartpreak and Tommy Mottola just

1394
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 1: like the whole making like the the R and B

1395
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:10,680
Speaker 1: diva with with the hip hop feature. That was the

1396
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 1: formula that leads to crazy and love level and all

1397
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: these early two thousand sounds. Um that that was totally

1398
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 1: the creator of it was Mariah Carey, jay z O,

1399
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 1: d B P, Diddy, Mace. Yes, that that entire era

1400
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 1: was such a great era. And I feel like, honestly,

1401
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 1: like it's just it's just rough to know that while

1402
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 1: they were because they were also revolutionary, and they were

1403
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 1: so under rewarded like at the end, and to also

1404
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 1: think about how many artists we could be enjoying right

1405
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: now if the market didn't like market correct them or

1406
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 1: like push people out because they found someone else, like

1407
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like for as big as

1408
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: that's he's the perfect example of oh, you made it.

1409
01:17:56,479 --> 01:18:00,599
Speaker 1: You made country music sound to urban, so we can't

1410
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:04,759
Speaker 1: even consider it in the realm of country is raist

1411
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 1: and itself. The fact that nobody even addresses the fact

1412
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: that like the people that took that off the charts

1413
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 1: had an agenda and and how and how how solely

1414
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 1: based on the artist's race. A lot of placement and

1415
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 1: categories is at something like the Grammys, whereas like, you know,

1416
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 1: you couldn't have told me, like like when when I

1417
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: first heard there you Go by Pink I would have

1418
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 1: never thought that was a white girl. Literally, Tony Braxton

1419
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 1: or something like could release the same song as like

1420
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 1: Selendon and they would put Tony Braxton in the R

1421
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 1: and B category and they put Celendion in the pop

1422
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 1: category at that time, and it would never it would

1423
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 1: never cross over. And it feels like maybe you know

1424
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 1: not to not to like make decisions for them or

1425
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 1: like definitively say how I fail right here. But it's

1426
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 1: like I always wish that It's like the Grammy should

1427
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 1: be like they get together, they felt that ten pieces

1428
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: of work were really deserving of recognition this year, and

1429
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: we have like a large performance like that is like

1430
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: all those amazing pieces of work and then you do

1431
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 1: it like that. But this characterization based on like race

1432
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 1: with the Grammys, and you know, gender and everything as

1433
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 1: as gender is becoming um something different than it used

1434
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 1: to be in the public eye. Like I feel like

1435
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 1: all of this is feeling really antiquated. So as the

1436
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 1: media gets more sensitive and you find out like these

1437
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:26,959
Speaker 1: things can be bought and sold and it's all industry

1438
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: pandering whatever, and they place things the way they see

1439
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 1: fit that works best for them. It kind of like

1440
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,680
Speaker 1: for kids that like love the Grammys and loved the Oscars,

1441
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: Like it makes it so much less fun and so

1442
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: much it's so much shittier to watch, But it's also

1443
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 1: like freeing to understand that that's the reality of the

1444
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: world and you do get something from that. It is

1445
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: being exposed for what it is more so than it

1446
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: was in the past. I think hopefully it's like when

1447
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:54,680
Speaker 1: like a learning study. Our friends studio always so. There

1448
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: was one time where I was watching the reality show

1449
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 1: The X Factor with her, and um, I was like,

1450
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 1: this is like American a little bit better. And I

1451
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:04,640
Speaker 1: was watching it with her and I this girl was

1452
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 1: performing and she was like she was not having it.

1453
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 1: Our friend's studio was like not having it. I was like,

1454
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: why don't you like it? She's like, look at how

1455
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 1: many pepsi cans that are count how many? And that

1456
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 1: was the first time I ever, like quote unquote saw

1457
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,719
Speaker 1: all the pepsi cans. Like my mind was. I couldn't

1458
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 1: not see the way I was being marketed to at

1459
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 1: all times from now on. But I I someone who

1460
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 1: was born in consumer America like us all, like I

1461
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 1: had to be told that it was happening. You know,

1462
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 1: you have to be slapped across the face to wake

1463
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 1: up and like understand that, like this, this is bullshit.

1464
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 1: Like that happens at different times for different people. But

1465
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying is I'm happy it happened

1466
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 1: at all because it's so real. Yeah. Well, I mean

1467
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 1: we're still watching the Grammys thow as much as we

1468
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 1: The first episode of this podcast is called the Grammys

1469
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:57,599
Speaker 1: we talked as as flawed as they are, I mean,

1470
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 1: we're still we're still tuning in because the words still matter.

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01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:04,679
Speaker 1: Is that it's it's too easy to say us screw

1472
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 1: them anyways? Is that? No, The awards matter. That's why

1473
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 1: they're given out to people. That's why you have them,

1474
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 1: because they're motivating, their reminders, they're they're everything that you

1475
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 1: need them to be when you need uplifting and etcetera.

1476
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 1: And it's they're still just it's too important in in

1477
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 1: pop culture and our culture and music in America to

1478
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 1: to abandon it. Yeah. But if you know, if they're

1479
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 1: not willing to change, what position are we left in?

1480
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 1: You know? Right for sure? And I think I think

1481
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 1: it might be time on that note for I don't

1482
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 1: think so, honey. When you say a bough, I would

1483
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 1: say so. So, I don't think so honey is our

1484
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 1: segment at the end of every episode, we take one

1485
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 1: minute each to rail against something in the culture, using

1486
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:52,639
Speaker 1: the words I don't think so honey as the sort

1487
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 1: of syntactical frame for it. So, um, Matt. So we'll

1488
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 1: do Matt, me, and then we'll do Gabe. Does that

1489
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 1: sound good? That sounds good. That sounds good. I have

1490
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:04,839
Speaker 1: one and I'm ready to fire away on it. That's perfect.

1491
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 1: This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so honey as

1492
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 1: time starts now, I don't think so honey, you feeling

1493
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 1: like you need to ship talk my ex just because

1494
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 1: they're my ex. You don't need to do that, like

1495
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 1: people who come up to you and are like, oh,

1496
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 1: just so you know, I always thought this about your ex.

1497
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 1: Shut up because you're wrong, because I liked that person

1498
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 1: and even love that person and be It's like, if

1499
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 1: you thought this the whole fucking time, where were you at,

1500
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 1: a disingenuous piece of shit. I don't think so honey. Also,

1501
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 1: you don't have to fill the time with this bitch.

1502
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 1: There's so many other things that we could talk about.

1503
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: So maybe I don't even want to talk about my

1504
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 1: fucking X. I want to talk about how the Grammys

1505
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 1: are bullshit. I don't want to talk about my ex. Also,

1506
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:44,640
Speaker 1: not for nothing, but a lot of the ship that

1507
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 1: you say about my ex is not true. You don't

1508
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 1: know them like I know them, And there's nothing you're

1509
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 1: gonna do to illuminate me. And also, if you're gonna

1510
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 1: tell me something shitty about guess what, bitch, I probably

1511
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 1: already knew it. That's probably one of the part of

1512
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 1: the reasons how you broke up. I don't think so, honey.

1513
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 1: You come in with the breaking news. Was that actually

1514
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 1: you didn't like that my my friend had a bad

1515
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 1: taste or was weird? Shut up, you're not helping me,

1516
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 1: You're not helping yourself. You look stupid. I don't think so, honey.

1517
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:12,560
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. Wow. That that that was just

1518
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 1: like a straight line like start to finish. It's not

1519
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 1: a good idea to do this. Yeah, I know, totally,

1520
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 1: don't do it. Don't do it, you're because Also it's

1521
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 1: just like I'm so happy you broke up with so

1522
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 1: and so, because this it's like this is ugly, like

1523
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 1: and also like who are you to bring this up

1524
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 1: to me, and also I don't want to hear this.

1525
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: And another thing too, is like I have I'm on

1526
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 1: good terms with everyone that I've been in a relationship

1527
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 1: with you to assume that it was a contemptuous thing

1528
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:44,600
Speaker 1: in the first place. Yeah, I don't know, And I

1529
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:46,600
Speaker 1: guess maybe it's like people run out of things to

1530
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 1: say or feel like they have to to make me

1531
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 1: feel better. But it's like, no, we're in a post

1532
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 1: Jada and Will at the Red Table world where it's

1533
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 1: kind of I hope that it's sort of reorganized our

1534
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 1: thoughts around what separation means, not that they're even separated,

1535
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 1: but around like what, you know, what like a compromised

1536
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:10,639
Speaker 1: couplehood is. And also it's like I'll bring my partner

1537
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 1: to the red table. I don't need you to bring

1538
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 1: me to the red table about my partner. Actually, I've

1539
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 1: seen red Table and I know how it works, and

1540
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 1: I know that I bring myself to the red table

1541
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 1: or it doesn't mean anything. Basically, what it reminds me

1542
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 1: of is when people are like, oh, hey, like I

1543
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 1: just want to let you know that so and so

1544
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 1: just happened to tell me this, Like it seems like

1545
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 1: they might feel this this way about you, or think

1546
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 1: that why do they feel so comfortable telling you about it? Then? Yes, yes,

1547
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:41,640
Speaker 1: why are you in a position to be you know,

1548
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 1: a sticky pad for this, for this rat to get

1549
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 1: caught on exactly? And also who we're playing, because you're

1550
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 1: playing one of us. Somebody's getting played and I'm not

1551
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 1: going to be played. So you if somebody feels comfortable

1552
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 1: telling you some ship, you're out, I've cut you off.

1553
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 1: The circle is done. So I love it's out. It

1554
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 1: always puts in my head like, well, what did you

1555
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 1: say to them when they said that to you? Like

1556
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 1: I always know that this person has talked more ship

1557
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 1: than they let on, and that's that's actually a thing.

1558
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 1: And I'll say it out to the universe right now.

1559
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys feel. I never want

1560
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 1: to know when someone is talking about me. Ever, Just

1561
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: let me live in this ignorant bliss. I never want

1562
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 1: to know. I don't. I don't need that because honestly,

1563
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 1: I'm the kind of person that will sit with it

1564
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: all day. You can send me a screenshot mm hmm,

1565
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 1: which is send me a receipt, send me something material. Fact, fine,

1566
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say no to facts, because then that's

1567
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 1: just choosing to be ignorant, and that's something different. But

1568
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 1: for somebody to present the facts, that's one thing though,

1569
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:44,760
Speaker 1: that's a different thing. It's just like if you if

1570
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 1: you are on somebody's fencet or some ship, I don't

1571
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 1: know whatever, the kids or like they you know, dropped

1572
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 1: a tweet and then deleted it and you caught it

1573
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 1: in time, fine, fine him, Fine, But if suddenly it's

1574
01:25:57,200 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 1: just something that you're in conversation with them with for

1575
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 1: some reason, regardless of if you need it or you

1576
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:05,680
Speaker 1: let it, then no, then like come over to my

1577
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 1: house and me see your phone, and even then it's

1578
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 1: like too much manipulation is possible? Just know? Yeah? No.

1579
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 1: I just feel like if here's what I would say

1580
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 1: to everyone. If you are if you have information and

1581
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna give it to someone about and it's about

1582
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 1: them and it's gonna hurt them, that sucks. If it's

1583
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 1: going to hurt them, but help them, then maybe it's

1584
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 1: worth giving if someone needs to know something. And I

1585
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 1: always feel like people can filter things into what they

1586
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 1: need to say and what they want to say. But

1587
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:38,680
Speaker 1: people seem to have really lose that line, and I

1588
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 1: feel like, just keep it to yourself. If it's gonna

1589
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 1: hurt someone's feelings, don't be the messenger because I might

1590
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: shoot the messenger with a bow and arrow. Okay, um okay,

1591
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 1: And now with that um, it's gonna be boone yang.

1592
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 1: So I don't think so, honey, no bone yang. Do

1593
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 1: you have a topic on this day? A topic? All right?

1594
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 1: Well that's good. Actually, well here we go. Well, honey,

1595
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 1: and his time actually is going to start now. I

1596
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Giant ice cube is in a tumbler.

1597
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:13,680
Speaker 1: It just rolls around it. It hits you in your

1598
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 1: damn nose when you're trying to take a little sip

1599
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 1: of something. You know what I'm saying? And what is

1600
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 1: the what is the novelty around here? Are we still

1601
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 1: in where this was cool? Are we still in a

1602
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 1: time where mixologists are fuckable? I mean they still are

1603
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 1: And I actually don't. Actually I was thinking about this

1604
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 1: the other day. I was like, oh no, look what

1605
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 1: I was like, what happened to like the sexologist? I mean,

1606
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 1: it must be the pandemic because bars are closed. But

1607
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 1: I feel like there is going to be there. I

1608
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 1: feel like we need the return of the of the

1609
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 1: sexy mixologists. Again. I feel like culturally they've been sidelined

1610
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 1: and marginalized too long anyway. But I think we can

1611
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,720
Speaker 1: take we can take the giant ou ice cube out

1612
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 1: of that sort of aesthetic, right because I think that

1613
01:27:55,320 --> 01:28:00,120
Speaker 1: it's not this like necessary motif in you know, in

1614
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 1: in bar culture. I don't need a giant fucking thing

1615
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 1: of ice hitting me in the face as I take

1616
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:10,240
Speaker 1: and that's one minute. That's quite enough. I just want

1617
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 1: to tell you, as a former bartender, it is uh

1618
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 1: a stylish thing to have that large ice cube. It's

1619
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 1: a thing of style, and it's not functional. It's why

1620
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:24,800
Speaker 1: why is it? Why do I Why do I need that? Okay,

1621
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 1: I want my little trapezoid prism cubes in my glass.

1622
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 1: That's it. That is no, it's should It's just there's

1623
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 1: a reason why it's so universe, it's so sort of

1624
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 1: widely distributed. First of all, for an ice cube to

1625
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 1: be functional, all I has to do is make a

1626
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 1: liquid cold and that's actually real culture number seventy. For

1627
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 1: an ice cube to be functional all has to do.

1628
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 1: You're talking about the functionality, Maybe you have a big

1629
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 1: fucking nose bitch, how about that get your nose out

1630
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 1: of the drink. How about how about don't go so

1631
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 1: far back. It's not about the individual experience, it's about

1632
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:02,599
Speaker 1: the collective struggle with big ice cubes in the way

1633
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 1: that they are. You say big ice cube like it's

1634
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 1: like big industry. No no, no, I'm saying, looks on

1635
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 1: a scale, thing on a scale. Will you attack it

1636
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 1: as such? Game? Please decide this for us. Listen. So

1637
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 1: I have to be on the side of the bartender,

1638
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 1: thank you, Okay, but I don't think the bartender is

1639
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 1: like the big ice cub. They do, that's why they

1640
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 1: use them, That's why you've been You have to think

1641
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 1: about tip factor. Is that having a bigger ice cube

1642
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:33,639
Speaker 1: looks cool because it's been marketed as a higher taste

1643
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 1: kind of item, which is why people have, you know,

1644
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 1: whiskey's meat with the ice cube, with the with the

1645
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 1: with the larger sphere. It's just expected that if you're

1646
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 1: given a larger ice cube and then they slowly pour

1647
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 1: it on top of it, that you were likely going

1648
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 1: to see it as a luxury item and therefore tip better,

1649
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 1: which is going to help them pay their rent. So

1650
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 1: I got and that's why Gabe and I are for

1651
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:00,640
Speaker 1: the working class and we are or the people, and

1652
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:03,640
Speaker 1: Boon and Yang is classist and the establishment, and he

1653
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 1: is Saturday Night Live. What I tip them for the

1654
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 1: just the liquor. It is an experience, and there you've

1655
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:18,720
Speaker 1: obviously been too long. If if okay, if any bartenders

1656
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 1: like that, but just let him know so that he

1657
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 1: just cuts down all the effort and just gives it

1658
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:25,720
Speaker 1: to you without the show, and just tell him say, hey,

1659
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:28,680
Speaker 1: I don't care less if if it's like if it's

1660
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 1: the good stuff, it's the good stuff, just give it. Fine,

1661
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 1: But then you're telling him he can't perform. And also

1662
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 1: part of that, part of the joy of doing it

1663
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 1: is the art of seduction. Oh my god. I mean,

1664
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't track entirely, but to me it does

1665
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:45,720
Speaker 1: both of you're stupid. It's marketing to Half of its

1666
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:48,200
Speaker 1: marketing is that you're showing the other people that are

1667
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 1: about to order that you're that bitch that you can

1668
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 1: make that drink. Percent you're saying you want to wait

1669
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:56,560
Speaker 1: for my ask to pour you your cocktail over this

1670
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 1: globular ice cube that you don't even know how the

1671
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:02,640
Speaker 1: just made. But just come over here, sit down and

1672
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 1: have a drink. I mean then, I mean this does

1673
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 1: fall on me individually to be like, I don't like

1674
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:12,559
Speaker 1: this thing, and that's fine, it's true. I don't think

1675
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 1: so honey. You're entitled. Thank you and thank you. We

1676
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:17,560
Speaker 1: have to respect you. I don't think so hony. We

1677
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:20,240
Speaker 1: refect the form, but also understand that once you got

1678
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 1: dive into the form the form is, then you know

1679
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:26,720
Speaker 1: it's able to be critiqued. Okay, thank you. Um, I

1680
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 1: think it's time for a Gabe to do his I

1681
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 1: am excited. So do you have a topic here? So

1682
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 1: I do, I do. It was gonna be it was

1683
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 1: either going to be one or another, but we already

1684
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 1: went over Kanye. And here's the thing. Kanye, he doesn't

1685
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 1: even deserve our energy. And I don't think so honey. Okay,

1686
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 1: we just need him to go. We need to go

1687
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 1: get well. Um, but okay, it's Gabriel Kasio Cortez is.

1688
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, and his time starts now.

1689
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. People that hate on the Bronx,

1690
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:04,720
Speaker 1: I don't know who you are come from or what

1691
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:06,720
Speaker 1: you get off on. Thinking that you could hate on

1692
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 1: the best borough in New York City. Chances are that

1693
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:12,680
Speaker 1: you're the type of person that strolled into town not

1694
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 1: from here, so you don't have a voice in it.

1695
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 1: And then you're probably also the same person that moves

1696
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:21,640
Speaker 1: into a gentrified apartment in Brooklyn because it's trendy for you.

1697
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:24,600
Speaker 1: And then you go out and you post on Instagram

1698
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 1: and Twitter, black lives matter, Black lives matter, But you

1699
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:29,759
Speaker 1: chose to go into a neighborhood where you either knowingly

1700
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 1: or unknowingly displaced black and Hispanic families. How much do

1701
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:35,760
Speaker 1: black lives matter to you? And then you want to

1702
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 1: go ahead and then hate on the Bronx. We have

1703
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 1: given you me AOC j Lo Cardi b so your

1704
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 1: Colne Powell, do not come for us the best borrow.

1705
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 1: We are the kindest borrow, and we are the realist borough.

1706
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 1: And you get your life and your pop culture from

1707
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 1: us and our style. If you like us, then you

1708
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 1: have to respect that. Cannot hate on the Bronx? Who

1709
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 1: start these and he did it in a fifty in

1710
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 1: a quick fifty eight. But wait, who the funk are

1711
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 1: these teople talking about the Bronx? Are they just as

1712
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 1: throwaway things? Being like, oh, the Bronx. No, it's just

1713
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:14,559
Speaker 1: people that totally dismiss it as like a respectable part

1714
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 1: of New York City, like millions of people don't live here,

1715
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:20,759
Speaker 1: and as if we don't have major contributions to the culture.

1716
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean the Yankee cap Us. You know, we just

1717
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:27,720
Speaker 1: filled in us, you know, like the godfathers us, like

1718
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, like, seriously, if you ever jammed out to

1719
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 1: on the six, you have to respect the six trainers.

1720
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:38,639
Speaker 1: That's simple. It's actually it's actually real culture. Number one

1721
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 1: and one know where this is on the six. Yeah,

1722
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:47,360
Speaker 1: you cannot you cannot say that you like j lo

1723
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:51,599
Speaker 1: O without without doing your best to not erase an

1724
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:54,600
Speaker 1: entire burrow of this huge the Bronx created Waiting for

1725
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 1: a Night, So it's like you've ever waited for an

1726
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 1: event at night? You owe it's the Bronx. You owe

1727
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 1: it to then we do owe it to the Bronx. Also,

1728
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:06,560
Speaker 1: can we say, what a perfectly titled album? What What

1729
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:09,640
Speaker 1: an amazing debut album, What a perfectly titled album? What

1730
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:12,639
Speaker 1: a fucking box. Every time you hear waiting for Tonight,

1731
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 1: it's you're done for. You have to respect that song

1732
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:17,519
Speaker 1: and give that song at three and a half minutes

1733
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:20,599
Speaker 1: because it is a Bob forever. And also she owns

1734
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 1: that green lighting. No one lasers hit me in the

1735
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 1: eye and that's what led to homosexuality for me. Yeah,

1736
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 1: I would believe that's what led to homosexuality. That's that's

1737
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 1: what happened. She was on the screen and then there

1738
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:35,680
Speaker 1: were green lasers and like blink twice and um, and

1739
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 1: that was okay. Yeah, so that had to be when

1740
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 1: you were like, what because that that was two thousand?

1741
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 1: Was that? Yeah, so you were said that was six

1742
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:48,439
Speaker 1: and a half. Yeah, that'll do it. That'll do it.

1743
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:50,760
Speaker 1: All you need is an icon to come in at

1744
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 1: that formative stage of your life when you're kind of

1745
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 1: realizing like what your personality is. A weekend someone, I'm like, yeah,

1746
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 1: what's your thoughts on j Loo? As she stands? Or

1747
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:07,560
Speaker 1: do we stand? Jlo? Um? She's about to buy the

1748
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:11,000
Speaker 1: mats she just lost. She she's got swag, man, she's

1749
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:15,759
Speaker 1: got swag. She's she's dope. She performs, she looks amazing,

1750
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:18,760
Speaker 1: she is amazing. Um, you can't. You can't really come

1751
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:21,760
Speaker 1: for her anybody, Even if you want to question somebody's talent,

1752
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 1: if they've got longevity. You can't say ship is that

1753
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 1: if they've kept their foot in the door, and then

1754
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 1: some you just can't come for them, Like if you

1755
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 1: want to try to clock Mariah, you just you can't know,

1756
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 1: you can't. We we were talking yes on our last

1757
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:38,760
Speaker 1: episode with Justin Tranter, who's a big songwriter. He was saying, like,

1758
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 1: just as someone who works in the industry, whenever an

1759
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 1: artist has more led multiple hits like again and again

1760
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:47,599
Speaker 1: and again and again, it is because of the artist,

1761
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 1: and you do have to have respect, Like he works

1762
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 1: at Selena Gomez a lot, and she is another one

1763
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:54,800
Speaker 1: where people are like, whatever, it's Selena Gomez, like she's

1764
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:57,680
Speaker 1: not a good singer or whatever, but she is artistically

1765
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:00,320
Speaker 1: involved and chooses all those things. And you can't just

1766
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:04,120
Speaker 1: be an artist that they feed everything too for years

1767
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 1: and years and years, like and j Loo has been

1768
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:10,639
Speaker 1: going for years and years and years and years, probably

1769
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 1: before she was even in the mind's eye of you

1770
01:36:14,479 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 1: the reader at home, like before Selena, well, I mean

1771
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:23,200
Speaker 1: she was a fly girl. A lot of people their

1772
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:28,160
Speaker 1: whole idea of Selena is tied to Jennifers. And that

1773
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:31,240
Speaker 1: should have been an OSCAR nominated performance right there, because

1774
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 1: my my thing with the Oscars is always like I

1775
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:36,519
Speaker 1: feel like someone should be nominated if no one else

1776
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 1: going on, who else could have done that? Who else

1777
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 1: would have had the star quality to get out there

1778
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 1: in that like huge stadium and who would you buy

1779
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:49,639
Speaker 1: turning around and smiling, cracking a smile, a movie star

1780
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 1: pop star smile and the entire arena going crazy. It's

1781
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,320
Speaker 1: just like you have to be so good. And she

1782
01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 1: was so funny and so like heartwrenching, and she, to

1783
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:00,720
Speaker 1: me that was like a star is born moment on

1784
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:03,479
Speaker 1: another level. And she has a career. She has re

1785
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 1: upped that again and again and again. She can do

1786
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:09,559
Speaker 1: it all, from in living color to like the super

1787
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:12,320
Speaker 1: Bowl halftime, the one good thing that happened this year.

1788
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 1: I mean, what a fucking what a fucking legend. And

1789
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 1: I gotta say I shared a very gay moment with

1790
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:21,840
Speaker 1: her Monday during the pitch meeting at s And now

1791
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 1: I told you this, Matt where she she had the

1792
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 1: she but she in the pitch meeting, she had this um.

1793
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:32,240
Speaker 1: She had this bag that had like sort of this

1794
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:35,880
Speaker 1: like Andy warhol ESQ, like Barbara streisand face on it.

1795
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 1: It's this coach. She got she got coached before coach

1796
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 1: releases their stuff. And then I sat down and then

1797
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 1: I whispered to myself. I didn't think she would hear,

1798
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 1: I said, Barbara, and then she looks at me and

1799
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 1: goes and strokes the bag and goes Barbara and looks

1800
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 1: into my soul and goes Barbara. And she did it

1801
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 1: because it's funny girl, and it's because she was hosting

1802
01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:59,160
Speaker 1: SNL and it's because it's it's icons and it's icons

1803
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:04,479
Speaker 1: respecting like icons, respecting icons. Jlo is bonified icon definitely.

1804
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:09,679
Speaker 1: And the Bronx gave her to you everyone and respect.

1805
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 1: Gabe saying, the Bronx give you so many things me,

1806
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:17,840
Speaker 1: my sisters to start yourself. Listen, I'm never going to

1807
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 1: put myself last. You are going to always be your

1808
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:22,679
Speaker 1: best advocate. And at the end of the day, any

1809
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:24,360
Speaker 1: interaction that you have with me, you're not going to

1810
01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 1: forget me. And that's just how it's gonna be. Yeah.

1811
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 1: I love this, and quickly quickly just um explain to

1812
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:34,320
Speaker 1: people your philosophy around this advice that you're giving on

1813
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:36,000
Speaker 1: an I g because I think it is a thing

1814
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 1: that you can really that has a lot of legs.

1815
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 1: I think you start your own sort of like column. Perhaps.

1816
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:42,720
Speaker 1: I think there's a future in this for you, in

1817
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:45,639
Speaker 1: this space. I had no idea that it was going

1818
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 1: to turn into what it is like. I get uproar

1819
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:52,080
Speaker 1: in my d MS when it closes out. Um, it's

1820
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:56,800
Speaker 1: I think people I don't know how they find me.

1821
01:38:56,840 --> 01:38:59,320
Speaker 1: I feel so sorry that they end up following me. Um.

1822
01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:02,519
Speaker 1: But the reality is that I get a lot of

1823
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 1: people that reach out to me because I think that

1824
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:07,880
Speaker 1: they've seen enough of my content and interacted with me

1825
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:10,479
Speaker 1: and mediums like this where they understand that I'm just

1826
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:12,840
Speaker 1: gonna give it to you straight, no chaser, but I'm

1827
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:14,600
Speaker 1: gonna give it to you in a way that you know,

1828
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 1: rips off the bandit, but not for the sake of

1829
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:18,519
Speaker 1: burning you, for the for the sake of causing pain.

1830
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:20,200
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm gonna give you just

1831
01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:22,599
Speaker 1: enough that you need to hear and leave it open

1832
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:24,760
Speaker 1: ended enough that you can interpret it the way you

1833
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:26,640
Speaker 1: need to, because I'm not here to tell you how

1834
01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:29,040
Speaker 1: to live your life, you know what I'm saying. So

1835
01:39:29,439 --> 01:39:31,080
Speaker 1: this is how I go about it. I mean, I've

1836
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:34,320
Speaker 1: been approached to potentially do it UM as something more formal,

1837
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:38,680
Speaker 1: maybe something you know, in collaboration with the company, something editorial, UM.

1838
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:41,479
Speaker 1: And I'm toying with it. But the thing is that, UM,

1839
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:45,000
Speaker 1: the more you get people into it, the more I'm

1840
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:48,800
Speaker 1: scared for its integrity of what it is. UM. So

1841
01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:52,200
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to leave it as a Q and

1842
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 1: a me directly to the people. UM. If that means

1843
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 1: that I lose out on a check, then that's what

1844
01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 1: it is. But I want it to just simply be sincere.

1845
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:03,600
Speaker 1: If you're asking me about how to handle your you know,

1846
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 1: prison fiance that you've never met, or you know, just

1847
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:10,519
Speaker 1: coming out as potentially as trans are coming out as

1848
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:14,439
Speaker 1: just anything, and perhaps you just don't even know yourself,

1849
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:16,360
Speaker 1: but you know that you have that urge inside you.

1850
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:19,519
Speaker 1: It's just the range and the gamut being run um

1851
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 1: of people that are just coming to me. It's just

1852
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:24,280
Speaker 1: really intriguing and it's really UM, it's really humbling that

1853
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:27,400
Speaker 1: people want my help in this. I'm really excited to

1854
01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:31,000
Speaker 1: see what becomes of you and the talent that you've

1855
01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:34,560
Speaker 1: so clearly possessed, because it's very cool and we we

1856
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:37,000
Speaker 1: can We wanted you on the show because we felt

1857
01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 1: that you were definitely special, so we're super excited that

1858
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:43,920
Speaker 1: you came out and did the show. Sweet yeah, yeah

1859
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:46,559
Speaker 1: he is. And every time you talk to me, you're

1860
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 1: gonna leave the interaction knowing that that guy is Sweet

1861
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:50,920
Speaker 1: c C. I planted the seed in his head. Now

1862
01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:52,800
Speaker 1: he's just like he's thinking about it. He's like, yeah,

1863
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:56,840
Speaker 1: I need everybody to remember me again. After the interaction,

1864
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:01,040
Speaker 1: you are. You are giving him an identity, which is

1865
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:05,600
Speaker 1: and thank you so much much. I've been waiting for

1866
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:10,639
Speaker 1: years to get one. Wow. This episode was fucking great,

1867
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:14,000
Speaker 1: a phenomenal episode. Thank you so much to Gabriel Kasio

1868
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 1: Cortez for joining us. Thank you for having me tell

1869
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:20,479
Speaker 1: them you're damn handles so they can follow you. So

1870
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:23,599
Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram at Gabriel Costu courtoes. I'm on Twitter

1871
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:26,479
Speaker 1: at Gabe Quartos, but I'm private on Twitter, so maybe

1872
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:28,479
Speaker 1: I'll let you follow me. Maybe I won't. But try it,

1873
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:32,200
Speaker 1: why not? You know what? Try it? Why not? Which?

1874
01:41:32,240 --> 01:41:35,200
Speaker 1: I love it? I love it and honestly Frontrunner title

1875
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:38,719
Speaker 1: love that. Try it, try it. I like that, Pippy,

1876
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:42,000
Speaker 1: It's nice. We close every episode out with the song

1877
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:47,480
Speaker 1: did what do you think we've seen in the sweet

1878
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:59,519
Speaker 1: pictured and have to hear the rest of that. You

1879
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:02,200
Speaker 1: can go listen to the album on the sixth by

1880
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:05,960
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez, The Problem's own exact Yes,