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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Monday, January fourteenth, twenty eighteen, Season fourteen,
Speaker 1: episode number one hundred and twelve. Welcome to another edition
Speaker 1: of The Break. We are live from s WBC Mortgage
Speaker 1: Studios at the Star. And yeah, it's one of those days.
Speaker 1: It's that day following the playoffs, following a playoff loss
Speaker 1: when everything just kind of comes crashing to a halt.
Speaker 1: Cowboys loose to the Rams thirty to twenty two out
Speaker 1: in LA. And we're gonna break down for you guys
Speaker 1: for the next hour what we think happened in that game,
Speaker 1: why the Cowboys are now sitting outside the playoffs. We
Speaker 1: might can get into a little bit of talk on
Speaker 1: some I don't know if it was news, but something
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett had to say this morning about the offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: which I think it's a big topic right now for fans.
Speaker 1: But let's start first with that game and let's go
Speaker 1: around the table. I know there were a lot of
Speaker 1: things that went wrong for the Cowboys. I want each
Speaker 1: of you to tell me which do you think What
Speaker 1: do you think was the biggest problem for Dallas in
Speaker 1: the game against the Rams. Let's start with you, Nick. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna steal everyone's then and say that they couldn't
Speaker 1: stop the run. That was the biggest problem. And they
Speaker 1: obviously couldn't run the ball, but they couldn't stop the
Speaker 1: run at all. I had no answers for it. And
Speaker 1: the defensive line, as good as they played all year,
Speaker 1: they did not show up in that game. And that's
Speaker 1: too bad because it was a great opportunity for them
Speaker 1: to really show what kind of hot boys that they
Speaker 1: were and have been all year. And they didn't stop
Speaker 1: the run. They didn't even touch golf at all. They
Speaker 1: couldn't get any pressure. And it was brought to my attention.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I believe this first drive
Speaker 1: of the game two off sides almost maybe change their
Speaker 1: aggressiveness a little bit. I mean, it seemed like a
Speaker 1: bit that they didn't do anything on that side of
Speaker 1: the ball all game. Yeah, I think you can extend
Speaker 1: that as well to the linebackers too. Up. The whole
Speaker 1: front seven kind of no showed in this game. You know,
Speaker 1: we talked a lot before the game about misdirection and
Speaker 1: pre snap motion and all the you know, the play
Speaker 1: fakes the Rams like to use. And they did it,
Speaker 1: and I'm positive the Cowboys spent the whole week preparing
Speaker 1: for it, but man, it didn't look like it. They
Speaker 1: couldn't get pressure on golf, they couldn't stop the run.
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith and Layton vander esh looked like first and
Speaker 1: second year players for the first time all season. Really. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not a good game by really anybody in the front seven,
Speaker 1: although I will I mean, and certainly that's the story
Speaker 1: of this game. The Cowboys defense has been the one
Speaker 1: thing you could hang your hat on for most of
Speaker 1: the year, but you know, the inability of the offense
Speaker 1: to really keep themselves on the field to help the
Speaker 1: defense with that problem is is equally important to mean
Speaker 1: one of ten on third down, especially as good as
Speaker 1: they've been since they traded for Amari Cooper. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't have the stat in front of me, but
Speaker 1: I know they were top five in the league, and
Speaker 1: third down conversion percentage after they traded for Cooper one
Speaker 1: of ten. That's pretty bad too. So those are the
Speaker 1: two things that really stand out to me. Okay, amber
Speaker 1: Well again, just to run overall both team, one that
Speaker 1: could run, the other one that couldn't. It's amazing to
Speaker 1: me to see that the Cowboys were only able to
Speaker 1: rush the ball fifty yards, three of them being Dak,
Speaker 1: forty seven of them being Zeke. The fact that we've
Speaker 1: seen this happen before, to where as soon as defenses
Speaker 1: take away the running game for the Cowboys, they don't
Speaker 1: really find the answers of how to make it happen.
Speaker 1: And Dak, I thought he threw the ball a few times.
Speaker 1: He had some nice shots there, but it just wasn't enough.
Speaker 1: And he got two hundred and sixty six yards in
Speaker 1: the passing game. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: they just can't they can't find a solution as soon
Speaker 1: as defense take away their running game. You know, I
Speaker 1: just think in what she just said about they took
Speaker 1: away the run, and that's what I was in the
Speaker 1: press conference and Jason Garrett said, you know, they just
Speaker 1: stopped a run and that they were committed to it,
Speaker 1: and that's fine, but it's just, you know, dak Is,
Speaker 1: it's frustrating for fans because on one game you're like, Wow,
Speaker 1: what an unbelievable performance against Seattle. He was great, and
Speaker 1: he was great at times or really good at times
Speaker 1: against the Rams, but like, if they're taking away your run,
Speaker 1: you've got to be able to beat them, and he
Speaker 1: couldn't and they couldn't, and so it's just frustrating. Something
Speaker 1: has definitely got a change there. So when we get
Speaker 1: to that other topic you've got that you alluded to,
Speaker 1: I I'd like to comment on that. Let me ask
Speaker 1: a question though about that. There's a lot going I mean,
Speaker 1: but I think that when you when you start talking
Speaker 1: about them, you know they were committed to stopping the run.
Speaker 1: The first thought that comes to my mind is this
Speaker 1: is a conversation that goes all the way back to
Speaker 1: training camp. We all talked about the fact that guess what, guys,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna roll out there without a number one
Speaker 1: wide receiver, teams are gonna try to stop you. And
Speaker 1: what did they say? They said, we've been facing eight
Speaker 1: nine men fronts. Zeke said, we've been facing eight men
Speaker 1: eight nine men fronts until it since I've been here.
Speaker 1: My thought is, if if that's what they knew, and
Speaker 1: if that's what they always said, we can still run
Speaker 1: against that, are we starting to see now and I
Speaker 1: don't even want to say starting to see? Did we
Speaker 1: see this year and it become very apparent that this
Speaker 1: team doesn't have the offensive line that it once had.
Speaker 1: That could maybe press the issue when team said we're
Speaker 1: definitely gonna put eight nine men in the box, We're
Speaker 1: going to be committed to stopping the run, and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys would say, we're still gonna run. Have they now
Speaker 1: been shown they cannot do that with how they were
Speaker 1: currently constructed. Yes, I mean well, whether or not they
Speaker 1: want to accept that is a different question, But yes,
Speaker 1: they've been shown that. That's that's I said that yesterday. Um,
Speaker 1: this team still calls plays and runs its offense, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, at least as if they have the twenty
Speaker 1: fourteen or twenty sixteen line and it just plays. But
Speaker 1: the play, the one you're talking about, fourth down, fourth down,
Speaker 1: fourth in a very long one. That's this this and
Speaker 1: we've said it till we're blue in the face. Sorry,
Speaker 1: if we're repeating ourselves. I have at least is uh
Speaker 1: this this team Jason Garrett, Scott Nahan, the Cowboys, whoever
Speaker 1: you want to pin on their whole thing is like, well,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna do us and execute as well as possible.
Speaker 1: We're not. We're like, we're gonna line up and we're
Speaker 1: gonna beat you. Except that that hasn't worked for them,
Speaker 1: especially in those obvious types of situations. It's not all
Speaker 1: their fault. Nobody could have predicted that Travis Frederick would
Speaker 1: come down with an autoimmune disease, etc. Etc. The point
Speaker 1: still remains, this offensive line is not the just jaw
Speaker 1: dropping dominant unit that it was in previous playoff fronts,
Speaker 1: and they have not adjusted to that fact. It's not
Speaker 1: it's not, but you can. You can still do things
Speaker 1: with them, and you've seen them being able to so.
Speaker 1: And again, there are certain plays that happened throughout the
Speaker 1: game that I thought were good but missed opportunities. There were, okay,
Speaker 1: the Blake Jarving one where he was just completely open
Speaker 1: um and he got the ball. You remember that one. Um.
Speaker 1: The point is they can get certain guys to be
Speaker 1: open Beasley where he had a nice place and for
Speaker 1: some reason, he didn't execute it to where he turned
Speaker 1: and caught the ball. D just threw it at him,
Speaker 1: and it seemed like the ball was intended to just
Speaker 1: go to seek Um sorry basilely on that play. And
Speaker 1: it's just the connecting parts. It's just they're just not
Speaker 1: always on the same rhythm. And I believe, yes they're not.
Speaker 1: The old line is not at the level we once
Speaker 1: saw them. But at the same time, you can't accomplish things. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're right about that. That I completely agree you can't
Speaker 1: do it. But it's it's a complete arrogance and or
Speaker 1: delusional or whatever. It's like, Steph Curry, as great as
Speaker 1: you are shooting, don't go in there and try to
Speaker 1: dunk on on check. That's not what you do. Everybody.
Speaker 1: He was just going into the pain and try dunk
Speaker 1: quite acting like like you can do that. Why do
Speaker 1: you think, Oh, I see you, I see Donald, I
Speaker 1: see you, Sue, I see all that stuff. We're gonna
Speaker 1: run it right at you, yell, and you know what
Speaker 1: I actually want to do those five plays if they
Speaker 1: won the game. I was gonna put that fourth and
Speaker 1: one way early in the game when they went right
Speaker 1: at him and they got it, and then Cooper got
Speaker 1: the penalty and all that stuff. But that almost was like,
Speaker 1: we got this, We're gonna go right at you. Well
Speaker 1: it happened later on a full yard and they said, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna run over you because we got Connor Williams.
Speaker 1: And that's not to say and Looney and Zach Martin.
Speaker 1: Apparently Zach Martin played pretty bad too, I will and
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think they were horrible by any
Speaker 1: stretch of the imagination. Dak only was sacked once. I thought,
Speaker 1: I mean, Aaron Donald didn't register that we can talk
Speaker 1: about that. I thought Connor Williams held up pretty well,
Speaker 1: Like and that's the point, like this is not a
Speaker 1: bad offensive line, but it ain't the Great Wall of Dallas.
Speaker 1: And to just line up, to quote Jason Garrett on
Speaker 1: a long one and just plow right at him it
Speaker 1: maybe it's just not the best idea. And the equally
Speaker 1: frustrating part was they had a great play call for
Speaker 1: a similar situation because they used it five minutes later
Speaker 1: when the game was gone. I mean, like, yeah, get
Speaker 1: your quarterback moving. Sean McVay made a great call as well,
Speaker 1: like misdirection, multiple options, play action, give your quarterback a
Speaker 1: chance to do two things in one play, or even
Speaker 1: it's something as simple, how about motioning your wide receiver
Speaker 1: across the formation every time you run the ball, not
Speaker 1: giving it to him, and then on a crucial third
Speaker 1: down you do and he gets nine yards like stuff
Speaker 1: like that, stuff that we haven't seen from the Cowboys
Speaker 1: all year. And straight up they thought, or I don't
Speaker 1: know this for sure, but they certainly appeared to think
Speaker 1: that they could just line up and run it however
Speaker 1: they wanted. And it's not true. Let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: Do you think that because and obviously Garrett made it
Speaker 1: clear that they were committed to stopping the run, that
Speaker 1: the Rams are committed to stopping the Cowboys run. Are
Speaker 1: you at all surprised that the Cowboys didn't take an
Speaker 1: approach or should they have taken approach that maybe they
Speaker 1: should just start throwing it a lot more. And the
Speaker 1: reason why I say that is because we did. We
Speaker 1: did see I know it was at the end of
Speaker 1: the season, but we did see in that New York
Speaker 1: Giant game. They win in that game, and they were
Speaker 1: aggressive offensively with the passing game that would suggest to
Speaker 1: me that maybe it might have built a certain level
Speaker 1: of confidence with them. You would think that kind of
Speaker 1: success could that you maybe say, hey, we know they're
Speaker 1: committed to running the ball, let's at least show them that.
Speaker 1: We'll go at them with the passing game, and then
Speaker 1: we can come back to our run once we get
Speaker 1: them to back off a little bit. But are you
Speaker 1: surprised it didn't take that that strategy. Yeah, And no excuses.
Speaker 1: I don't think they were. They were really that they
Speaker 1: weren't as healthy as they have been. And this again,
Speaker 1: this is not an excuse, but you know, Beasley and
Speaker 1: Jarwin didn't practice week, didn't know if they were going
Speaker 1: to play, and and and does it matter you know, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so Beasley's running across the field and there's
Speaker 1: a ball thrown right at him. He doesn't even know
Speaker 1: it's there. I mean, they were off and so I
Speaker 1: think that kind of limited him a little bit. And
Speaker 1: also they only got sacked once. But we all we
Speaker 1: know that that clock has got to be a little
Speaker 1: bit less in Dack's head because they do bring the heat.
Speaker 1: I mean, there were it was a fight every single snap. Um,
Speaker 1: but there were some things that they could have done
Speaker 1: and for sure, and I agree with you Dave about
Speaker 1: what watch what the Rams did. That's what Tavan was
Speaker 1: supposed to bring. Doesn't even have to be him, just
Speaker 1: somebody faking it across and they just get away from
Speaker 1: it and they don't do it. I feel like I
Speaker 1: never saw tavon Like I know, it was hard to
Speaker 1: watch the game from where we were seating standing, It sucked.
Speaker 1: The press box more talking to got a much better
Speaker 1: view than what we can. Yes, yes, but from the
Speaker 1: very little I got to watch, I feel like I
Speaker 1: never really saw a Tavan do anything. No, because he didn't.
Speaker 1: And that's that's very very unfortunate and disappointing. Like it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Nick Nick said, they got away from it. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: Training yea from training, got away from it after training camp. Um,
Speaker 1: you look good at training camp. That's I'm I'm reluctant
Speaker 1: to say I can hear I can hear the DAK
Speaker 1: haters lining up on me already. I'm reluctant to say
Speaker 1: that they need to just be back in the shotgun
Speaker 1: chucking it because that's not Dak's game. Like you're probably
Speaker 1: you're probably not as as highly as I think of him,
Speaker 1: You're probably not going to win a game if he's
Speaker 1: just back there throwing in fifty times. And that's not
Speaker 1: just because of where he has a quarterback, but you're
Speaker 1: also limiting the best player on your offense, Ezekiel Elliott,
Speaker 1: in that situation. I mean, I know you can throw
Speaker 1: him the ball, but you still you are limiting him
Speaker 1: by not leaning on the run game. I just think
Speaker 1: you need to be more creative in the way you
Speaker 1: try to execute that. So you don't think it's necessarily
Speaker 1: a situation where you have a problem with the Cowboys
Speaker 1: relying on the running game as their primary thing. Do
Speaker 1: if that's a problem to be more consistent with, or
Speaker 1: you have to be more creative in how you do it.
Speaker 1: They built the team to run the ball, so if
Speaker 1: they can't, if that's not a viable way to win games,
Speaker 1: and then they're kind of screwed. Um, So no, and
Speaker 1: and it's worked like they've won. They've had three winning
Speaker 1: seasons in a row leaning on the run game. And
Speaker 1: even when Tony Romo was here, twenty fourteen was all
Speaker 1: about the run. As you know, as many great plays
Speaker 1: as he and Dez made, it was all about the run.
Speaker 1: So no, I I don't. I think it's a viable strategy.
Speaker 1: But but that's that's why. But still a viable strategy.
Speaker 1: We just said earlier that you don't think the offensive
Speaker 1: line is the same what it was. So is it
Speaker 1: still a viable a viable strategy if the offensive line
Speaker 1: doesn't play up to a certain level. Yes, but you
Speaker 1: just you're gonna come up against opponents that can make
Speaker 1: you uncomfortable and make you have to adapt. And I
Speaker 1: would argue Jason Garrett's whole thing is like, well, we're
Speaker 1: not gonna adapt, We're gonna do us like we're just
Speaker 1: not executing. And I don't believe that. I don't because
Speaker 1: you will all there will always in life, forget football
Speaker 1: in life, like you're gonna fail, Like that's just gonna
Speaker 1: happen and you have to change up. I mean the
Speaker 1: thing about when you look at when you look at
Speaker 1: the four teams that are remaining in the playoffs, you
Speaker 1: would say all four of them are extremely creative in
Speaker 1: how they run their offenses. I mean, you look at
Speaker 1: all of Andy Reid out in Kansas City, you look
Speaker 1: at obviously Belichick in New England, but you look at
Speaker 1: Sean Payton in New Orleans. You look at Sean McVay
Speaker 1: out in with the Rams, like that's what the NFL is.
Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean I'm a big believer in the
Speaker 1: fact that you can win in the NFL with running
Speaker 1: in good defense. But I think that the thing you
Speaker 1: have to do is if you're gonna do that, you
Speaker 1: can't line up and just run the power. You know,
Speaker 1: power run the ball the whole game like that's just
Speaker 1: that doesn't I don't know that that would work over
Speaker 1: an entire season, and certainly when you get to the
Speaker 1: playoffs where you're playing everybody's good, every team is good.
Speaker 1: I don't know that you can line up like that
Speaker 1: and expect to get that level of of of consistency
Speaker 1: and be able to win when teams say, hey, we
Speaker 1: know exactly what you're gonna do, and if we know
Speaker 1: exactly what you're gonna do, we can stop you exactly.
Speaker 1: And when you have other teams are the opponents and
Speaker 1: they're studying what you do. They know what you do.
Speaker 1: They've seen throughout the season that you don't really get creative,
Speaker 1: you don't really give them any surprises. This is exactly
Speaker 1: what you do and we're gonna take it out. Now,
Speaker 1: what are you left to do if you have a quarterback.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the point of having a quarterback to
Speaker 1: throw the ball. So if they take away your running game,
Speaker 1: you should be able to figure it out and throw
Speaker 1: the ball and make it happen somehow. This is more
Speaker 1: about the it's the Dallas defense, but I think it
Speaker 1: fits within the larger narrative. Did y'all see the quotes
Speaker 1: coming out of the Rams locker room immunity? Like we
Speaker 1: could tell based on how Collins was shaded what they
Speaker 1: were going to do. Based I mean, if he's over
Speaker 1: here in his hand is placed this way, we know
Speaker 1: what they're doing. Like that's not encouraging. And like I said,
Speaker 1: that's the defense. But it just goes to show you
Speaker 1: this team can be really really good when they're firing
Speaker 1: on all cylinders and you can't deal with it. But
Speaker 1: when you are ready for it and you can stop it,
Speaker 1: then they don't. They don't have a plan B. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and that is the larger narrative because it's not just
Speaker 1: the offense, it's the defense. And so that comes down
Speaker 1: to just the overall I don't know if it's just
Speaker 1: the message, but it's the overall strategy of what they
Speaker 1: at least preached publicly publicly, which is nameless, faceless opponent.
Speaker 1: We don't adjust to them. We do what we do
Speaker 1: and that's good enough. And maybe that just doesn't work.
Speaker 1: Maybe you have to think again. If you look at
Speaker 1: the most successful strategy in the NFL over the last
Speaker 1: twenty years, I don't think anybody doubts it's been the Patriots.
Speaker 1: And what do they do every single game? Every single game,
Speaker 1: they have a different strategy. They morph their offense in
Speaker 1: there every year to fit whoever they're gonna play, and
Speaker 1: that's why they have to have versatile, smart players. But
Speaker 1: they do it and that's how they're so successful. And
Speaker 1: not everybody can. Nobody's been able to replicate it. But
Speaker 1: the fact is that's a complete opposite strategy of what
Speaker 1: is publicly said here. Well, I mean you're right about that.
Speaker 1: You said, nameless faceless opponent. Well, you think that if
Speaker 1: if Aaron Donald lines up here or he lines up
Speaker 1: over here, that it doesn't really matter block him. I mean,
Speaker 1: I remember back in the eighties when Lawrence Taylor was
Speaker 1: lining up. I mean, that was the first thing you
Speaker 1: had to do was figure out where he is. And
Speaker 1: when you have dynamic players and they have more than one,
Speaker 1: you have to do that. So you can't just just
Speaker 1: say it doesn't really matter. We're gonna blog, you know,
Speaker 1: next man doesn't matter. Connor Williams block it whatever. I mean,
Speaker 1: it didn't. It didn't work, and you had to get
Speaker 1: them on the move, get away from their best guy.
Speaker 1: And it's just like I said, it's kind of an arrogance.
Speaker 1: It's kind of this. I'm I'm getting upset. No, I
Speaker 1: was sad. I was sad after the game. I was disappointed.
Speaker 1: But now that we're discussing it and just fans talking
Speaker 1: about it, now, I'm getting fans are pissed right now
Speaker 1: based off of the story we put out an hour ago.
Speaker 1: Oh well, yeah, let's take a break and let's come
Speaker 1: back and let's talk about that a little bit. Uh.
Speaker 1: There was an art I mean, I'm not an article.
Speaker 1: There was a phone interview that coach Garrett did today
Speaker 1: with one or five out three the fan where he
Speaker 1: did mention that it looks like he expects the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator to return. We'll talk about that when we come back.
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Speaker 1: to the Break Welcome back. It's the second segment of
Speaker 1: The Break Life in SWBC Mortgage Studios. At the start,
Speaker 1: we're talking about the Cowboys loss to the Rams play
Speaker 1: Aflso done for the Cowboys for this season. They'll start
Speaker 1: over again. Actually in another week. It all starts over
Speaker 1: because Senior Bowl starts up next week. Here. We keep
Speaker 1: people of people all day yesterday We're like, we're gonna
Speaker 1: miss you guys. No, they were like we're gonna miss
Speaker 1: all y'all, Like well everything, you know. I'm like, we're
Speaker 1: not going anywhere. Raft Show starts Thursday, Senior Bowls Monday.
Speaker 1: I'm Cowboys are coaching in the Pro Bowl. So I'm
Speaker 1: positive somebody's going to that, no doubt that. You Yep, awesome,
Speaker 1: I'll be there. Yeah. So there's I mean, there will
Speaker 1: be stuff obviously. That's the NFL. It all flips over
Speaker 1: so fast. We are literally a month and a week
Speaker 1: I think from the combine. So this thing starts over
Speaker 1: and it gets moving. The NFL has done I think
Speaker 1: they're idiots about a lot of things, but they have
Speaker 1: done a masterful job of making sure that they're never
Speaker 1: out of the spotlight ever. Yeah. So anyway, all right,
Speaker 1: so let's let's talk about this. This comment that Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett made on a radio program that he in radio
Speaker 1: interview he had a little earlier this morning. He was
Speaker 1: talking to the guys over at one or five out
Speaker 1: three the fan here in Dallas, and he mentioned he
Speaker 1: was asked about coach Lenahan and said that his expectation
Speaker 1: is that coach Lenahan will be back. My question for
Speaker 1: you guys is do you think that is accurate? And
Speaker 1: if yes or no, tell me if you think it's
Speaker 1: the right thing. Let's start with you Amber. Well, first
Speaker 1: of all, I believe that's what he should say as
Speaker 1: a head coach. I mean, right now, given the situation,
Speaker 1: what else could you possibly say. You don't necessarily call
Speaker 1: all the shots. You know, you have to have meetings
Speaker 1: and talk to the managers and the family and all
Speaker 1: that stuff and then have it figure it out. But
Speaker 1: should he be back, Um, probably not. And it just
Speaker 1: breaks my heart because there's a difference, like the thing
Speaker 1: is decides to be nice. No no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: It breaks my heart because we see these people if
Speaker 1: we talk to them right right, and and then you
Speaker 1: know they're nice people. Lenahan, it's such a nice guy,
Speaker 1: always a smile on his face, is very polite, very respectful.
Speaker 1: But then you have to put that aside and look
Speaker 1: at the business part of it and see how this
Speaker 1: season turned out. And as far as that, and we
Speaker 1: talked about the relationship with the quarterback, the quarterback is
Speaker 1: not changing. Dak is not going anywhere. I don't think
Speaker 1: so at least so that that would be the biggest
Speaker 1: change that you have to make is change the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: Dak needs somebody else that could really get the full
Speaker 1: potential out of him, and I don't think the best
Speaker 1: match is Lenahan. He's not coming back. I'm that's just
Speaker 1: gonna That's just what I believe one hundred percent. I
Speaker 1: just don't think he will be the offensive coordinator. I
Speaker 1: don't care what Garrett said. I know Stephen Jones has
Speaker 1: said something here recently in the last which that that
Speaker 1: kind of helps my point a little bit, and he
Speaker 1: kind of answered it differently, and I think it's more important.
Speaker 1: Sorry Jason, but I think what Steven says is more
Speaker 1: important than Jason, because I think they ultimately will make
Speaker 1: that decision. Um. I just don't think there's any way,
Speaker 1: and I've said this in fairness, Scott, I don't believe
Speaker 1: Dak is a great quarterback for his system. What he
Speaker 1: calls open sometimes is not what Dak is. His strong
Speaker 1: suit is. I don't think they're a good marriage together,
Speaker 1: and I think that it's time to go because he
Speaker 1: has called some plays this year that should have been
Speaker 1: better plays and they're not. It's just a different This
Speaker 1: system was supposed to be for Tony Romo and this offense,
Speaker 1: and it's worked pretty good at times. But I don't
Speaker 1: think that they're good together, and they got to make
Speaker 1: a change, and I think they will. And when you're
Speaker 1: picking out of those two, you're sticking you're right, it's
Speaker 1: a lot. Well, first of all, our friend, our friend
Speaker 1: Jeff Kavanaugh with the fan, which God bless the Cowboys
Speaker 1: because it's like the only team in the league where
Speaker 1: like the owners and the general managers talk three times
Speaker 1: a week and the coach talks, so Jason get a
Speaker 1: lot of access. Jason Garrett had his interview this morning.
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones follows it up three hours later, and he says,
Speaker 1: no comment on anything with the coaching staff, but they
Speaker 1: need to take a deep look at why they fell short.
Speaker 1: It's a little early to spec you about speculate about
Speaker 1: players and coaches, which, yeah, it's never too earlier. It's
Speaker 1: never too early. Let that's first of all. Yes, But
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, this is they they got to go
Speaker 1: coach the Pro Bowl, which is like, I obviously, I'm
Speaker 1: sure nobody with the Cowboys organization wants the Eagles in
Speaker 1: the NFC title game, but I wonder if maybe they were, like,
Speaker 1: it would be nice if the Saints could go coach
Speaker 1: this Pro Bowl and let us take care of our stuff.
Speaker 1: So now no, let the Cowboys do their coachings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's what I mean. At the end of the
Speaker 1: at the end of the day was happy. Yeah, now
Speaker 1: I could just enjoy the rest of the playoffs, like
Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about Like I really hate
Speaker 1: this team. I prefaced it, but point being, it's it's
Speaker 1: just kind of a weird situation. So I agree with Amber.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think there's really much else Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett can say, because if he says anything else, then
Speaker 1: there's even more speculation about his dead, lame duck offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator that he basically just fired. So and Stephen can't
Speaker 1: say that, by the way, Steven can say it more
Speaker 1: in that kind of way, and if he becomes news,
Speaker 1: it becomes news. He doesn't have to go into the
Speaker 1: coaches meeting room with like Jason does and then have
Speaker 1: to look the guy in the EU if he doesn't
Speaker 1: happen to leave, right, which, so I weigh all of
Speaker 1: that at the same time, like, I think there's not
Speaker 1: a lot, So I don't believe I don't believe Garrett.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that that means anything. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, I wouldn't be surprised by any result, because
Speaker 1: we all were sitting here last year saying the same stuff,
Speaker 1: like we thought the whole freaking staff was gonna get
Speaker 1: fired last year, and not only did that not happen,
Speaker 1: but they elevated everybody stayed and got promotions too. So
Speaker 1: nothing would surprise me at this point. And I honestly
Speaker 1: would be kind of surprised if they knew for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're two days out of this thing, you know,
Speaker 1: so I don't know what to think. I would not
Speaker 1: be surprised if if Scotland Ahan came back. I would
Speaker 1: not be surprised if he was replaced, I would I
Speaker 1: would trend toward replacing him. I think twenty one points
Speaker 1: per game. As much as much as they improved after
Speaker 1: Marii Cooper, it wasn't substantially they finished they scored They
Speaker 1: averaged twenty two points a game after they did that trade.
Speaker 1: I looked this up today. They scored thirty points in
Speaker 1: three games, which ties them for like tenth worst in
Speaker 1: the league. Like, the only teams that did worse than
Speaker 1: that in terms of scoring points are all miserable, Like
Speaker 1: they're bad bad teams. Do you guys give Lenahan the
Speaker 1: offensive coaches any any leeway for the fact that there
Speaker 1: were a couple things that would just kind of unexpected
Speaker 1: that hit them this year that they had to manage.
Speaker 1: First being obviously they lost Jason Witten when they didn't
Speaker 1: expect Jason Witten was not going to be playing for them.
Speaker 1: Then they lost Travis Frederick when they didn't expect they
Speaker 1: would be losing him. Do you give them any amount
Speaker 1: of leeway for that and say, well, maybe this was
Speaker 1: just these were unforeseen circumstances. And for half the year
Speaker 1: they didn't have a number one wide receiver, which I
Speaker 1: don't think was was So I don't think that was
Speaker 1: something that was I wouldn't put on the coaches. I
Speaker 1: think that was a situation where they knew des wasn't
Speaker 1: going to be here. I think they didn't have the
Speaker 1: opportunity to get a number one receiver. And wait, no, no,
Speaker 1: listen to what I'm saying. Okay, they actually went out
Speaker 1: in the in the off season and we're trying to
Speaker 1: sign a number one wide receiver, which is questionable. I
Speaker 1: know you and I've had this conversation as to whether
Speaker 1: you really think he's a number one or not. But
Speaker 1: the fact is they didn't get him, and so I
Speaker 1: think they really just kind of said, this is what
Speaker 1: we're left with we're gonna have to deal with it.
Speaker 1: We'll have to get a number one receiver next year,
Speaker 1: so we just got to make it work. The opportunity
Speaker 1: became available to get Cooper, that's when they get him.
Speaker 1: All that being said, there's a lot of stuff there
Speaker 1: that happened. Do you give him any leeway for that? No? Okay,
Speaker 1: First of all, I mean they deserve a ton of
Speaker 1: credit for recognizing what was wrong. They went out and
Speaker 1: got Amari Cooper. They put themselves in that hole. Whether
Speaker 1: the coaches are part of it, whether I don't care,
Speaker 1: like that's they spent all offseason selling that as like
Speaker 1: they you know the guy the meme on Twitter where
Speaker 1: the guy taps his brain. They're like, Oh, we don't
Speaker 1: need a number like they thought they were. We've talked
Speaker 1: about that for doing. You think they really believe that,
Speaker 1: because I don't. I think they that was what they
Speaker 1: were selling publicly. I don't think they really believe they
Speaker 1: didn't need a number one receiver. That all goes back
Speaker 1: to and I, you know, I get it in relationship
Speaker 1: and ships play a big part of that. But they
Speaker 1: didn't have to get rid of Dez Bryant. In their minds,
Speaker 1: maybe they did. Maybe they thought that this was a
Speaker 1: situation where he wasn't providing for they were getting in
Speaker 1: the weeds. Here we are. They didn't give it. I
Speaker 1: don't think that they set Jason Garrett up for failure,
Speaker 1: but they didn't give him the opportunities to go win.
Speaker 1: They really didn't that. They didn't replace Dez with anybody.
Speaker 1: They didn't even use his money for anything. They had
Speaker 1: a chance to get Old Thomas, they decided to go
Speaker 1: with the Connor Williams and play him. That just tells
Speaker 1: you how much you know they're gonna go with a
Speaker 1: young team. They didn't do anything. They couldn't do anything
Speaker 1: really at tied in when they lost Witt, and they
Speaker 1: didn't go get a veteran presence. The only reason they
Speaker 1: got Cooper that I don't care what they say. They
Speaker 1: did not say anything about turning this around. Every time
Speaker 1: you asked him, they said, he's twenty four. They got
Speaker 1: this for the future, and someone else is going to
Speaker 1: coach him. Well, lo and behold they make it turn around.
Speaker 1: But I don't give him any pass for the offense
Speaker 1: because they don't do the things they need to do
Speaker 1: to win. And this is a stat I told you
Speaker 1: about earlier about Dak. I mean, they don't run him.
Speaker 1: When he runs, they have success. I went and looked
Speaker 1: this up. When he gets two carries or less this year,
Speaker 1: oh and four, when he gets four carries or less,
Speaker 1: they're like one and five or something like that. And
Speaker 1: then when he gets six or more, it's like ten
Speaker 1: and two. Run the ball with him. That's what he does.
Speaker 1: He's an extra running back, so run him. That's what
Speaker 1: he does. Use them to his strength. Okay, so do
Speaker 1: you think this last game at least I know that
Speaker 1: this isn't for the whole season, but do you think
Speaker 1: this last game at least them not using it maybe
Speaker 1: has something to do with the knee? No? No, right,
Speaker 1: he didn't look like he was having issues. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it was it wasn't. I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: this He was on the injury report this week, and
Speaker 1: he did have a knee and he didn't run. There
Speaker 1: was times where he was out there open and and
Speaker 1: you know about there to throw it, and he forced
Speaker 1: it in there and didn't run. There were some times
Speaker 1: where he didn't run, of course, but and I'll believe
Speaker 1: that I would if if they had been running him
Speaker 1: throughout the sea and using it that quality. But I
Speaker 1: would not use anything that's right they like, I mean,
Speaker 1: how many games were that was just a non factor.
Speaker 1: So no, and he's a freaking warrior anyway, So knee
Speaker 1: or no knee, he would have done what needed to
Speaker 1: be done. Going back to your other point, something something
Speaker 1: unforeseen and crazy happens every year to every team. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's not an excuse. That's the NFL. The Atlanta Falcons
Speaker 1: are probably sitting there right now saying, if we don't
Speaker 1: lose Dion Jones and Keyan O'Neill for most of the season,
Speaker 1: we're in the playoffs, like we had this great offense
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, Julio Ridley. But guess what, Yeah, you lose,
Speaker 1: you lose your two Pro Bowl defenders, and the whole
Speaker 1: thing changes. Like that's that's the league. Uh So. And
Speaker 1: and Joe Looney played great in place of I mean
Speaker 1: when that happened, I was like, this season sank fast.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I don't mean that as disrespect to
Speaker 1: Joe Looney, but Travis Frederick's a hard guy to replace.
Speaker 1: I thought Joe Looney is one of the most unsung
Speaker 1: success stories of the entire year. So no, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear that. Honestly. Yeah, they actually
Speaker 1: got when you think about what you're saying, the guys
Speaker 1: get hurt all the time. I mean when you think
Speaker 1: about injuries, season ending stuff. I mean, the one to
Speaker 1: Frederick was was tough, but Looney stepped up and played well.
Speaker 1: Hearns they lost Hearns way late in the year and
Speaker 1: he wasn't much of a factor anyways. I mean, they
Speaker 1: didn't really have those guys and we thought though when
Speaker 1: Sean Lee went out, we thought her, here we go again,
Speaker 1: and then it actually opened the door for vander Estra
Speaker 1: play as well as he did throughout the year. But
Speaker 1: they didn't have a lot of those major injuries. But
Speaker 1: I think they were very lucky this year. And when
Speaker 1: you look at it, yes they didn't have a tight
Speaker 1: end just overall with the talent they have, and yes
Speaker 1: the tight end position that was a problem, and then
Speaker 1: having their number one wide receiver that was a problem.
Speaker 1: But you're saying they were lucky to get to the
Speaker 1: playoffs that I think she's saying they're lucky in terms
Speaker 1: of not a whole lot and having wrong for them
Speaker 1: between the exactly when you look at things that could
Speaker 1: have gone wrong as far as the people they have
Speaker 1: on the whole team, whether it's on the defense or
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball, they have a lot of talent.
Speaker 1: They have a lot of talent, and I think they
Speaker 1: they could have done a lot more. And we saw
Speaker 1: the changes that happened once Amari got here. But even then,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that had you done differently
Speaker 1: coaching wise and like calling certain plays and stuff, you
Speaker 1: could have done better and most likely we would be
Speaker 1: talking about the next game. I mean, let's I'm this
Speaker 1: is all off the top of my head. Seventeen year
Speaker 1: left tackle has his worst injury problems ever. Sean Lee.
Speaker 1: You can kind of see that coming. So that doesn't
Speaker 1: even count. Um Zeke, I mean Zeke's whole situation last year,
Speaker 1: which when we went to when we went to training camp,
Speaker 1: that that that seemed like ludicrous to think that wasn't
Speaker 1: even in the was not that was the thing. Like
Speaker 1: I'll straight up a minute, like people kind of like
Speaker 1: people would tweet me and be like I'm hearing whispers
Speaker 1: that Zeke's in trouble and be like, what are you
Speaker 1: talking about. Nope, didn't see that coming in We were
Speaker 1: shocked when we got the news, like what sixteen, but
Speaker 1: you lose your starting quarterback in the third preseason game.
Speaker 1: They handled it beautifully, Still could didn't see it coming.
Speaker 1: I guess you could argue based on fifteen, which again
Speaker 1: lose your starting quarterback in week two fourteen, Sean Lee
Speaker 1: a much younger Sean Lee gone before the season even starts.
Speaker 1: Thirteen And something happened in thirteen. If I had it,
Speaker 1: happens every year, got hurt at the end of the year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was all the way in Week sixteen though, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it happened. Time to get hurt. Yeah, bad
Speaker 1: time to get hurt, Tony, But right about that, Every
Speaker 1: single year it happens to every single team, you know,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people want to blame Garrett as well,
Speaker 1: you know, Garrett Lenahan. I mean there's a lot more
Speaker 1: angst towards Lenahan than than Garrett. But I mean this
Speaker 1: this is one of the youngest teams that has ever
Speaker 1: made it to the playoffs. I mean, we saw that
Speaker 1: staff the other day out they don't have a starter
Speaker 1: over thirty and it's the first time in what thirty
Speaker 1: one years an NFL team made it to the playoffs
Speaker 1: without a regular starter over thirty I mean that's that
Speaker 1: just goes to show what kind of young team this is.
Speaker 1: I think it was impressive what they did and turn
Speaker 1: things around again. I don't think if Dak is your guy,
Speaker 1: I don't think this offense is the right for him.
Speaker 1: And no disrespect to Lenahan, He's been a good coach
Speaker 1: over over his time as an offensive coordinator, but not
Speaker 1: in this setting. They need something different better than need
Speaker 1: something fresh. And I just do not believe he will
Speaker 1: be back. There's no way you can do it, and
Speaker 1: Well is not going to tolerate it. They will they
Speaker 1: He'll tolerate it, but you'll tolerate It's sorrycause you don't
Speaker 1: have any choice at the end of the day that
Speaker 1: the fans can't make the call. If the fans can
Speaker 1: make the call, a lot of things would be different,
Speaker 1: but they can't. I agree with everything you just said,
Speaker 1: except I cannot rule out the possibility that nothing changes
Speaker 1: because of everything you just said. Turn around from three
Speaker 1: and five too. You know, they finish eleven and seven,
Speaker 1: they make the playoffs, they win a playoff game, No
Speaker 1: starters under thirty, third youngest team in the league. Damn
Speaker 1: near every important piece coming back. I can see not balanced.
Speaker 1: You'd you had to lean on your defense, which in
Speaker 1: your defense got got gashed game over, season over. You
Speaker 1: saw that twice here and in both those situations they
Speaker 1: were not even come their offense and never really carried
Speaker 1: them once, not once a game. Maybe I mean Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: but the defense played great in that, maybe the Giants
Speaker 1: game when you know, but the defense failed you twice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like legitimately failed you twice this year, and they got
Speaker 1: drummed in those games. Allow me to clarify. Allow me
Speaker 1: to clarify. I am not making that argument. I do
Speaker 1: not believe what I'm saying, but I have to say
Speaker 1: in the hypothetical in the art, in the scenario I'm
Speaker 1: imagining where Jason Garrett and Jerry Jones are having this discourse.
Speaker 1: This is what Jason Garrett is saying. He's like, look
Speaker 1: what we did with the team we had will only
Speaker 1: be better. I don't believe that, but I can see
Speaker 1: the argument. You're right about the Pro Bowl. This this
Speaker 1: has to be better add for them because without terrible
Speaker 1: time coaching the Pro Bowl, without it. You do things
Speaker 1: what you want to do, and you don't have a timetable,
Speaker 1: and when you have to make it, they can immediately
Speaker 1: start actually doing the reevaluations of what went wrong, what
Speaker 1: went right, and making that Now you have to make
Speaker 1: the call, is this guy going with us or not? Yea,
Speaker 1: which and even if he goes with you, that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that it doesn't just puts everything off right. Scott
Speaker 1: Linahan could see he could go out and spend the
Speaker 1: week in Orlando and coach the Pro Bowl and talk
Speaker 1: to every media member that's out there, and it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean anything to me. It doesn't like, it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: anything until probably yeah if after the like, if nothing
Speaker 1: has changed a week after the Super bowls over, then
Speaker 1: then I start to think, like, Okay, this is just
Speaker 1: where we're at. Dave and I are going to have
Speaker 1: some fun conversations. I think when you're in Mobile and
Speaker 1: there's Steven, Yeah, I'm going to talk to Stephen and
Speaker 1: then you're gonna take what we get from him and
Speaker 1: run it over to Yeah, to Jason Yeah, and that'll
Speaker 1: be interesting. I'll tell you who I'm not gonna go
Speaker 1: gonna be a fun week. I'm not going up to
Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli and asking him about and we'll talk about
Speaker 1: that a little bit later. Real quick before we go
Speaker 1: to break, though, I do want to ask you guys
Speaker 1: about Kellen Moore because you were talking about how this
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator may not be the best for Dak. Does
Speaker 1: the question also come up? Is this quarterback coach to
Speaker 1: an experience? And we've talked about that throughout the season.
Speaker 1: Is that one of the coaching positions where you look
Speaker 1: at it and you say, maybe there needs to be
Speaker 1: some evaluation here on whether he's the right fit at
Speaker 1: this moment. And I always want to be careful of
Speaker 1: saying that doesn't mean I don't think at some point
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore can be a great quarterbacks coach, head coach,
Speaker 1: whatever he's gonna aspire to be. Just with the lack
Speaker 1: of experience, do you need more experience in that room
Speaker 1: when you have no experience, well literally little experience with
Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks that are actually in the room. Yeah, experience, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot, shoot a lot more experience. Honestly, this is
Speaker 1: hard to say because we're not there to actually see
Speaker 1: what is being taught and what it's not being taught.
Speaker 1: But honestly, I have no feeling of just saying yes,
Speaker 1: I saw Kellen Moore do something this year, I can't
Speaker 1: say that, And it's hard to evaluate that because of
Speaker 1: the game. We're not in the room and you know,
Speaker 1: don't I saw something just the other day, for the
Speaker 1: first time I had the binoculars on. That's one thing
Speaker 1: I could see was right across from me. After the
Speaker 1: whole it was a sack Lyell picked him up whatever
Speaker 1: whatever that that ruling was. They had to hold Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore back from the sidelines. He was like what, I
Speaker 1: don't know, going to charge the field and talk to
Speaker 1: the ref whatever they were holding him back, And I
Speaker 1: was just like, never seen that. I wish I would
Speaker 1: have seen that. Yeah, I would like the most un
Speaker 1: I mean Garrett. Even Garrett was turned around like stop Kellen,
Speaker 1: just calm down over here. He's like the most field
Speaker 1: guy here, right. Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen
Speaker 1: him with even like even Dak gets fired up during games,
Speaker 1: Like I've never seen Kellen Moore fire. All right, let's
Speaker 1: take our final break. When we come back. I do
Speaker 1: want to hit a little bit on that topic you
Speaker 1: mentioned of of Rod Miranelli after the game, he was
Speaker 1: not very happy with some of the questioning. We'll talk
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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, nothing, Pro Bowl. Yeah, that'll happen when you
Speaker 1: can't get past the divisional round. Man, all I did yesterday,
Speaker 1: I'm just talking to the Twitter verse. I just put
Speaker 1: out some news. The news is the Cowboys are covering
Speaker 1: or coaching the problem. Okay, I'm not saying, hey, look
Speaker 1: at this, Hey guys, Jason Garrett, what an accomplishment. The
Speaker 1: way it worked, it's it's it's the way the league
Speaker 1: sets it up. Okay, if you're the highest seeded team
Speaker 1: to lose in the divisional round, you coach the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: That's the way it is. If the Saints would have
Speaker 1: lost day coaching. Oh. I made a comment on one
Speaker 1: of my our persecope that I do with Brian. It's
Speaker 1: like about Chris Ray Sharon getting some interviews for you know,
Speaker 1: the head coaching. Oh my god, this chick. She wanted
Speaker 1: to kill him. It's just like, you're so stupid. You
Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. Like he's staying here.
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I'm just informing you of what is
Speaker 1: going on. This is just news that time of year. Man. Definitely, Oh,
Speaker 1: you should just hear the stuff, like, well, it's the
Speaker 1: only time he'll be coaching in February. I think the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls even in February. Whatever, But no, I hear
Speaker 1: you any right, Marinelli after the game in our interesting
Speaker 1: setup to get postgame interviews, rot Melon sounds like me
Speaker 1: was he was. He was not very pleased. There was
Speaker 1: a question that came from the media that basically was
Speaker 1: asking him if if to talk about a report that
Speaker 1: had come out that he was possibly going to retire,
Speaker 1: and he basically said, look, don't don't put words in
Speaker 1: my mouth. Come ask me about it. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna retire. He and he even took offense
Speaker 1: to it. I think more because this is a situation
Speaker 1: where this is probably him looking at it like I
Speaker 1: know I'm older, but I'm still and he even mentioned,
Speaker 1: he said, when do you ever see me not having energy?
Speaker 1: When do you ever see me not having you know,
Speaker 1: being able to really motivate my guys. Don't just because
Speaker 1: I'm older. Don't make it seem like I'm I need
Speaker 1: to be put to passage. I think he was in
Speaker 1: the wrong, honestly, and how he handled that, and I
Speaker 1: I can you can say all you want to about
Speaker 1: after a game, and you know it's not the right
Speaker 1: time to ask him the question. But but my retort
Speaker 1: to that would be when is when is the right time?
Speaker 1: You're not having any more press conferences. You sure weren't
Speaker 1: outside the locker room yesterday when it was trash bag
Speaker 1: day and everyone was leaving. You don't have another one?
Speaker 1: What are we gonna wait till the Pro At that point,
Speaker 1: we don't know if we're gonna have to be at
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. So so there's a report out there,
Speaker 1: and he kept saying, ask me, ask me. It's exactly
Speaker 1: what she was doing, the reporter, and I thought she
Speaker 1: handled herself very very well. She said, you know, we
Speaker 1: are asking you the question, and you've always been great
Speaker 1: to us. We're asking There was a report and I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is true or not. No one knows.
Speaker 1: The NFL network is reporting it, so it's worth asking.
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, he's sixty nine years always
Speaker 1: turning seventy. That doesn't mean anything. It's just asking the
Speaker 1: question about this report. And he he was mad because
Speaker 1: they gave up two hundred and seventy three rushing cards
Speaker 1: and he and I'm not I'm not faulting him. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying I thought they did their job and it
Speaker 1: just was sure he had a lot of emotions. Yeah's
Speaker 1: at that time. It's the it's the age. It's the
Speaker 1: age old conundra. And I mean, we got a job
Speaker 1: to do. It's important and you outlined it perfectly, like
Speaker 1: well within your right to ask the question. But it's
Speaker 1: just one of my least favorite things to do. It's
Speaker 1: a tough part of the job, especially in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: That's that's the third playoff loss that I've had to
Speaker 1: go in there and be part of that, and it's
Speaker 1: it always sucks. Fourteen at Lambeau after the death, that
Speaker 1: was the worst one in my worst I mean, I've
Speaker 1: never seen Jason Witton like Jason Witten was barking at
Speaker 1: people just and you know, you start working towards this
Speaker 1: goal in February and then it just screeches to us.
Speaker 1: It's got to be one of the worst feelings in
Speaker 1: the world. Yeah. Tyron Crawford was like, it's exactly as
Speaker 1: difficult as I remember it being, and that like that
Speaker 1: resonated with me. I was like, yeah, I bet it is.
Speaker 1: So it's just a crappy situation because we I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a fair question, but I get that he's not
Speaker 1: exactly in the mood to answer it. And do you
Speaker 1: guys think that happens? This is also about the fact
Speaker 1: that all season he's heard the rumblings because everybody's talking
Speaker 1: about it. Chris Shark, Christopher Shark, Christopher Shark. He needs
Speaker 1: to be the defensive coordinator, Christopher Shark. Do you think
Speaker 1: that maybe this is a part of that boiling over
Speaker 1: that he's like, why why, why are you guys trying
Speaker 1: to push me out of the door. I'm not It's
Speaker 1: not like I'm not doing my job well and defense
Speaker 1: that's playing really well. I still am the defense. I'm
Speaker 1: speaking at him, I still am the defensive coordinat of this.
Speaker 1: I may not call them place, but no, not me.
Speaker 1: I got that game. I didn't call that game. Maybe
Speaker 1: some of the others. I didn't call that one. But
Speaker 1: maybe he's maybe that's a part of it for him,
Speaker 1: at least that he still is the defensive coordinator and
Speaker 1: he still is running this Here's what Then, the ironic
Speaker 1: part of this is that when he got here, he
Speaker 1: was also the defensive coordinator without the title. If you remember,
Speaker 1: Monnie Kiffin was here as the coordinator, but Mayeronelli was
Speaker 1: also doing But Marionelli probably does a lot more than
Speaker 1: what Monny Kiffin was doing. True, I'm just saying, but yes,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that this stab there. Yes, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: but they have to make a decision. I mean there's
Speaker 1: teams that want Christopher Shard and now just and people
Speaker 1: ask this question, do they don't understand this rule? And
Speaker 1: I just want to get this part out. He is
Speaker 1: a he is the passing game coordinator, secondary coach. You
Speaker 1: can't block anybody from saying, hey, come be your interview
Speaker 1: for a head coach. But nobody can say, hey, I
Speaker 1: want you to be our defense. It's a coordinator and
Speaker 1: think they're giving him a promotion that doesn't work. The
Speaker 1: only time the Cowboys have to let him interview for
Speaker 1: anything is a head coach. So I've heard that. I've
Speaker 1: got tweets from that, like what if somebody needs a
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator that doesn't work, doesn't matter. If you're a
Speaker 1: quality control coach and they want to move you up
Speaker 1: four levels, you can't do it unless it's a head
Speaker 1: And it sounds like all the head coaching positions that
Speaker 1: he had interviewed for and taken. There's still waiting of
Speaker 1: The Dolphins have not made a final, but they are
Speaker 1: why they're waiting, supposedly waiting for It's like New England.
Speaker 1: As far as I understand, it's like a rubber stamp deal.
Speaker 1: Brian Flores. They're still in so obviously they wouldn't make
Speaker 1: him their head coach until they were out right I will.
Speaker 1: And I think part of this too. There was a report,
Speaker 1: but Rod said with his own mouth before the game,
Speaker 1: he's I think the direct quote was like, I'll do
Speaker 1: whatever we have to do to keep Richard here, which
Speaker 1: I mean, so, what does that mean? You're going to
Speaker 1: change titles, You're going to retire. So that just adds
Speaker 1: to the speculation. Although I don't think we really need
Speaker 1: to speculate at this point because I think every head
Speaker 1: coaching job is filled, but I think will happen. Oh
Speaker 1: you're right, Okay, well Cincinnati's waiting on the Rams guy. Yes,
Speaker 1: so you got two positions open, but it's widely speculated
Speaker 1: that both those positions are going to be filled by guys.
Speaker 1: I think, what if I had to guess, I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are going to take care of take care
Speaker 1: of Chris Richard one way or the other. Guess so,
Speaker 1: but they don't have to worry about it anymore. Well,
Speaker 1: what I think will happen is somebody's going to be
Speaker 1: the assistant head coach. Not that that really matters, but
Speaker 1: I mean I think that that I think that title
Speaker 1: and I don't know if it'll be him or if
Speaker 1: it might be Marinelli. Is the assistance I actually I
Speaker 1: disagree with you. I think it absolutely matters to Chris
Speaker 1: Richard when it comes time for him to interview again,
Speaker 1: well next year or in two years or whenever, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, because if I was about to tell you
Speaker 1: our receiver coach, Jimmy Something, I can't even remember his name.
Speaker 1: His name was Jimmy Something, and he was our assistant
Speaker 1: head coach. And that just goes to show just how
Speaker 1: much I mean, just a few years ago, just just
Speaker 1: to kind of make it work. It doesn't always matter,
Speaker 1: but I think it would matter to Chris just to
Speaker 1: have the title, to take that to an interview and
Speaker 1: say I've done this, I've had this responsibility. Maybe Rod's
Speaker 1: the assistant head it's it's possible difference one way or
Speaker 1: that thing too. Like as the assistant head coach, does
Speaker 1: that allow him the opportunity to address the team at
Speaker 1: different times as Jason say, Okay today, you're going to
Speaker 1: be the one. Oh I like that, but I'm just
Speaker 1: like that. But my point is like there are things
Speaker 1: that I'm sure Jason can do to help prepare him
Speaker 1: for a head coaching job that that may be something
Speaker 1: that they can sweep in the potta pre staying we're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna give you some opportunities. Well some things
Speaker 1: that I hear right I can hear the applause from
Speaker 1: our listeners right now at that that right there, that
Speaker 1: might have made someone I mean, you got and they haven't,
Speaker 1: they haven't smile since Saturday, But that made you gotta
Speaker 1: be careful when that happens, because because that was happening.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jason Garrett was getting groomed to be the
Speaker 1: next head coach. I remember exactly grooming him. Remember where
Speaker 1: I was standing in that corner of that long hallway
Speaker 1: that leads down to scouting. I was standing there thinking
Speaker 1: this is going to end in an odd way because
Speaker 1: if he is supposed to be the coach. What fires
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett? Is it gonna be lack of offense. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a just bad defense. I mean it's
Speaker 1: gonna be really weird to fire him and bring Garrett in.
Speaker 1: And it was, and it happened, and I don't say
Speaker 1: it worked, but I'm just saying next year football is
Speaker 1: really weird that way because start, you know, this will
Speaker 1: it'll all get settled. They'll sign their free agents and
Speaker 1: their draft picks. But and like in March and April,
Speaker 1: this this team will be whole, and Jason Garrett can
Speaker 1: start his team meetings and they're gonna all start pulling
Speaker 1: in one direction and rowing the boat boat towards the
Speaker 1: you know, another season. But real quick at this time
Speaker 1: of year, when it's all over, the knives come out
Speaker 1: like it's it's every man for himself. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like musical chairs, Jason, They're there's only gonna be one.
Speaker 1: Like somebody's gonna get left out. Jason Garrett is probably
Speaker 1: not right now, but just in the long like Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett's got a side eye at Chris Rahard like that's
Speaker 1: I see you over there, and you know, and Cole
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley's like I'm getting the hell out of here,
Speaker 1: like or you know, and I mean this is all hypothetical,
Speaker 1: but just it's it's every man for himself when the
Speaker 1: season's over, and then he takes a couple of months
Speaker 1: and reorganized this team. Like you know, you can always
Speaker 1: tell like what guys what they leave behind. It's suggesting
Speaker 1: how much they expect to be back on. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: Remember like Bryce Butler last year took the cake in
Speaker 1: terms of just he's like deuces, I'm gone, and you
Speaker 1: know there's he's in the team picture this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well yeah, ironically he wasn't. Arm Hey, when when can
Speaker 1: I know it was him? Can I ask a question?
Speaker 1: When can I talk about Earl Thomas again? Okay, talk
Speaker 1: about Earl Thomas. We'll give you about five minutes. We
Speaker 1: got the left on the show talk about old Thomas. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, Christopher Shard being here would help. Um, I
Speaker 1: think And so do you really think that he is
Speaker 1: a target for the Cowboys this offseason? I think he
Speaker 1: should be. Um, I don't know that's that wasn't my question.
Speaker 1: Do you think will be? Yeah, okay, I think he
Speaker 1: should be. Um. You know I do think he would.
Speaker 1: You've been thinking he should be for a long time. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean you know, you always remember the last game,
Speaker 1: and I mean Xavier Woods and Jeff Heath they played
Speaker 1: pretty well this year. They didn't play a great game
Speaker 1: at the end. I mean nobody did on defense, nobody
Speaker 1: had a great game. But I think you can see
Speaker 1: just a guy that can make some kind of play,
Speaker 1: get an interception, you know, catch a tip ball, do
Speaker 1: do something, have some leadership there. And he said he
Speaker 1: wanted to be here. I think he still does. I
Speaker 1: think Christoph Shard would help with that. Now, is he
Speaker 1: gonna come back from the injury? Well, I think it
Speaker 1: might lawer his price a little bit. I would do it.
Speaker 1: I would do it in a heartbeat. I you know what,
Speaker 1: he could be the Charles Haley to this team. I
Speaker 1: really believe. I mean, think about it. You had a
Speaker 1: good young team, but they need somebody. And I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to Marcus Lawrence. I love to Marcus Lawrence, but you
Speaker 1: need to play better than that in the game, with
Speaker 1: the game on the line, You've got to be better
Speaker 1: than that. Yeah, the interesting thing about that is you
Speaker 1: need It's some some games that you'll come across, playoff
Speaker 1: games tend to be like that sometimes where you need somebody.
Speaker 1: Everybody on the team is kind of looking for somebody
Speaker 1: that's gonna step up and be that spark. And that's
Speaker 1: when I saw somebody to tweet this. I think it
Speaker 1: was I want to say it was Patrick Crayton, but
Speaker 1: but just basically saying this is right now, this is
Speaker 1: the moment. He was talking about this during the game.
Speaker 1: This is the moment where you make the money. And
Speaker 1: he was talking specifically about about Tank because that's when
Speaker 1: when you start talking about whether you're gonna get that
Speaker 1: long term deal or not and how much that long
Speaker 1: term deal is going to be. Those guys that get
Speaker 1: that premium dollar long term, they're typically the guys that
Speaker 1: in those kind of moments make the players that need
Speaker 1: to be made. That sparked the entire team, we can
Speaker 1: do this and come back. And who got the game
Speaker 1: ball for the Rams Whitworth Well, it was one of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he got one of their game balls. I mean,
Speaker 1: and again I say that because I viewed Tank as
Speaker 1: the leader, and he is and I would resign him
Speaker 1: in a heartbeat. All that I'm just saying, But I
Speaker 1: could said the same thing to Sean, to Sean Lee,
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, vander esch Mighter played his worst game and
Speaker 1: we've seen in a while. I mean, Byron Jones wasn't
Speaker 1: playing well. That penalty Tiki tack penalty in my opinion,
Speaker 1: but that to me was probably one of the biggest
Speaker 1: plays of the game. I agree with that. That was
Speaker 1: a huge play. Thirteen to seven, You're about to finally
Speaker 1: force him to punt, and next thing you know, two
Speaker 1: plays it's twenty to seven. That changed everything. That the
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas conversation, this this I want to write about
Speaker 1: this this week, but it's always tricky because everybody wants
Speaker 1: to know what's next. And I'm like sitting there like, yeah,
Speaker 1: making some great points about Earl, and then I'm like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do with Tank, what's gonna happen here in
Speaker 1: a month and a half, and I'll lower his his
Speaker 1: uh you know average, we're definitely saying he's getting this extension.
Speaker 1: I would I wouldn't. I didn't ask you that. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think they are. Yes, I think they sign him
Speaker 1: to an exten will it get done in a timely manner?
Speaker 1: And that is important because the which I mean they're
Speaker 1: gonna tag him, they have to, and they're going to
Speaker 1: get an extension done between now and February whatever. I
Speaker 1: think the deadline to tag is February, probably mid February
Speaker 1: the odd I've never seen an extension get done that
Speaker 1: quickly after a season, not for this, unless they already
Speaker 1: had it done. I think they will. But that's true,
Speaker 1: which it's totally possible, it's so, and that My point
Speaker 1: is just that there's so many dominoes that have to
Speaker 1: fall into place before I can even think about signing
Speaker 1: a Earl Thomas or anybody else for that, and if
Speaker 1: they go to have a ton of room though, if
Speaker 1: they got a lot of money to be able to spend,
Speaker 1: if they go to de Marcus and say, listen, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get we want to sign you. Let's be fair
Speaker 1: let's get this thing done. But we need you to
Speaker 1: get this thing done so we can do other things
Speaker 1: and sign other people. I think he would do that
Speaker 1: as long as it's not completely unfair. I mean he'll
Speaker 1: he'll make it fair, but he'll do it in a
Speaker 1: timely manner so they can go do things. He's a
Speaker 1: team guy. Do you think it hurts him at all
Speaker 1: that his numbers weren't as high as they were last year?
Speaker 1: Number one and number two, that when he came to
Speaker 1: the playoff game they at least this one against the
Speaker 1: Ram It didn't that he didn't hurt the All Pro
Speaker 1: voters from making him a second team All Pro. Right,
Speaker 1: get all that. I'm just saying, do you think that,
Speaker 1: but you do not negotiation? You do not negotiations go right.
Speaker 1: That's I think that affects the negotiation. With all due
Speaker 1: respect to both of y'all, I think y'all are kind
Speaker 1: of trying to gloss this thing over, and I'm not
Speaker 1: convinced that it's going to be that easy. Because when
Speaker 1: you say, when you say not that he's you're saying
Speaker 1: that you think there's a chance that they franchise him
Speaker 1: and they go into next year with him franchised or
Speaker 1: or I mean they might, they absolutely might franchise him
Speaker 1: with the intention of signing him later this year, and
Speaker 1: maybe DeMarcus says, screw you guys, I like I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not coming in. I'm not gonna make this easy
Speaker 1: on you like I did last year. Like it could
Speaker 1: be a death situation where the deal ultimately gets done.
Speaker 1: But we don't see DeMarcus Lawrence until August. And I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know anything, but you know, you just
Speaker 1: outlined it perfectly. He's got these stats, he's got these
Speaker 1: all pro votes, he's got this and that. He's also
Speaker 1: got a no show in a playoff game, and well,
Speaker 1: you didn't do anything down the second half of this,
Speaker 1: as I wonder when the when the two sides eventually
Speaker 1: sit down, how close are they really and how much
Speaker 1: money is DeMarcus asking for? But here's the deal. If
Speaker 1: you just if you just franchise him again, Let's say
Speaker 1: he goes and signs it again. Now it's going to
Speaker 1: be twenty million dollars twenty million for the for him
Speaker 1: that at least like that. That doesn't I'm not practical,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna yearse it. The Rams franchise Donald. Was it
Speaker 1: three before they finally did a deal? Was it just two?
Speaker 1: I don't remember, off it had one. I think it
Speaker 1: was two. I think he started holding out after the
Speaker 1: Are you sure fourteen fifteen, sixteen seventeen, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think. I think they tried. This was the second year.
Speaker 1: I don't think they even franchised him at all, because
Speaker 1: he was a fourteen pick, so fourteen fifteen, sixteen seventeen
Speaker 1: this would have been his fifth season, which is covered
Speaker 1: under his rookie deal. I don't think they franchised. He
Speaker 1: was just holding out because because he was like, I'm
Speaker 1: playing like a stud and I want better money than
Speaker 1: He's only one case in point, Zeke Elliott could do
Speaker 1: something similar. That's there's a lot of stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: this team is set up really well. But the question
Speaker 1: does I'm back to the last taste that they had.
Speaker 1: Sure didn't necessary, doesn't necessarily inspire you to say you
Speaker 1: need a deal right now? But do you look do
Speaker 1: you really just focus on that last week negotiating? Yes? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: just no, no, no, I'm not saying just but it
Speaker 1: becomes a part of the negotiation, that's the way it does.
Speaker 1: But you look at it as an overall too. You're
Speaker 1: you're speaking from a standpoint of of what the same
Speaker 1: argument is. If you're if you're not on one side
Speaker 1: or the other, if you're on one side or the other,
Speaker 1: you take whatever is an advantage for you in a negotiation,
Speaker 1: and that's what you harp on. So I'm sure the
Speaker 1: Cowboys would be if they were in that type of conversation,
Speaker 1: they would say, Hey, man, we just don't know if
Speaker 1: if we're ready to spend that kind of money. We
Speaker 1: haven't seen the consistency in the playoffs that helps us
Speaker 1: get there. Right, how about to negotiate? How about the
Speaker 1: single most underpaid player in the NFL right now, Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, that's an interesting one. I watched and if
Speaker 1: I was gonna be going that one, I had to
Speaker 1: get somebody paid early. Then you probably think it may
Speaker 1: be your quarterback. A lot to talk about this, all right,
Speaker 1: real quick, before we say bye, I have someone asking
Speaker 1: on Twitter, what's our schedule gonna be like for the show? Now,
Speaker 1: we will let you guys know. There's basically for the
Speaker 1: rest of this week, each show will do one more
Speaker 1: show this week. We'll let you know what day it's
Speaker 1: gonna be. And then starting next year, next week we'll
Speaker 1: go into our offseason schedule, which will be one podcast
Speaker 1: per day. Every show will do one show each week,
Speaker 1: so we will be let's say, for example, on Tuesday
Speaker 1: or Wednesday or whatever it is. But we'll give you
Speaker 1: that schedule, we'll put it out here in the coming days.
Speaker 1: We'll be able to let you guys know, and then
Speaker 1: we'll be back all right till then, For Dick, even
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