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Speaker 1: introduce yourself real quick. My name is Alan Lazara and

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Speaker 1: I am an emergency medicine physician from Michigan. I work

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Speaker 1: Did you take ethics when you're in med school? Um?

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Speaker 1: So it's built in we have UM in med school.

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Speaker 1: This is complicated because it involves a buck with three antlers.

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Speaker 1: But he doesn't like acknowledge how unusual three antler de

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Speaker 1: So you got Now you got the brother that shot.

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Speaker 1: And they got like and they split their head, you know,

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Speaker 1: You know, you get like three four or five pound

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Speaker 1: black parana. Wow, yeah, Biggins, Um, did you talk about

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Speaker 1: in and say what he needs to say. Yeah, I've

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Speaker 1: always wanted to say this. Yanni's on assignment. Oh nice,

425
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: he's on assignment. He's filming. Um, he's filming his own

426
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: uh special elk hunt in Colorado for which he like

427
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: what he like, had like seventeen bonus points. It was

428
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: I think it was like ten or eleven? No, no, no, no,

429
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: no teens no, yes, I'll bet you any amount of money.

430
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: What's he has got to say about that? Do you

431
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: have a clip say in seventeen if you're so, please

432
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: play it. No, I did not get that that specific.

433
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 1: I'm sorry seventeen uh high teens. I'm telling you it's

434
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: only like ten or make a bet? Yep? Okay, how

435
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 1: much five bucks? Right now? Like a hundred? No friendships?

436
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: You know about the bet? Yann has lost me for

437
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: ten dollars and I used to do quarter beats, So

438
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: let's do a quarter bet five bucks? Yeah, Yanni lost

439
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: ten dollar bet? Was it? Ten Graham? Me and Yanni

440
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: bet one time? Yeah? Something high? Yeah. I had to

441
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: forgive him. Does he pay you an interest? No? I

442
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: told him to forget about it, and it was my

443
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: friendship with Yanni's worth more than uh ten Graham. This

444
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: is the last medical piece of listener feedback. You got it.

445
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: He's blaming me on it. This guy's blaming me for

446
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: his for someone winding up in a hospital. He went

447
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: to make our hot butter buck nuts. Yeah, if you

448
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: cook testicles too fast, they burst. You gotta cook them

449
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: slow and too hot. Too hot, too fast, they'll burst,

450
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: but they always a kind of burst. They'll burst. You

451
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: ever cook a spawn sack out of a perch or bluegill? No,

452
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 1: same shape as a nut, and they'll also open up. Yeah,

453
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: a little membrane splits. Yeah, and like a row sack

454
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: on a row chad will sort of open up and

455
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: opens up in the exact same way, like kind of

456
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: splitsing some stuff. Anyways, they're cooking hot buttered buck nuts,

457
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: and um, his wife's working on him. She's cooking them,

458
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: and one blows up so violently did it scalds her

459
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: eyeballs with hot butter? She has to go to the er.

460
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 1: He included a photo of the buck and his wife

461
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: laying on a hospital bed. Oh no, I'm sure she

462
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: was not happy about either of those things. The photo.

463
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: He's like, you're gonna have to do a better job

464
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: explaining how to cook those things and slow. Yeah, all right,

465
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: we'll get you cooking with that chainsaw a mask that

466
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: everybody wears the advisor, Yeah, exactly one of those. Do

467
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: you think about that? I'm with you, Good job, Phil,

468
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: This one's very specific. Do you want to ask you, Hey, Janice,

469
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: how did you like reading The Cat in the Hat

470
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: to your kids? The other night? Sentences? I had to

471
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: read twice or three times to really make sure I

472
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: you know ingested it properly. Knew what was going on there.

473
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: That is very That's what happens when Yanni reads cat

474
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: and hat. Yeah, it takes them a while. That was mean.

475
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: It's it's possible to be really mean, to be honest

476
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: right now? Oh no, we do anything? Okay, sounds good. Oh,

477
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: Brody's here you've been talking about you haven't introduced self,

478
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: Brodie Henderson, senior editor here at Meat Either got a

479
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: big old bull with his most loader. Not big, but

480
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, they're big. There's large compared to they're

481
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: big when you're dealing with him by yourself. Man, that's

482
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: some work. Okay. Dr Lazara, Yes, sir, Italian and Sicilian.

483
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: I notice you mentioned it's true you don't bundle him together. Well,

484
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you know specifically because I think you are Sicilian, right,

485
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: yea one fourth Sicilian. But it feels like more than

486
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: that because I got the name, and my father was

487
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: raised by his grandparents who were Sicilian immigrants, so you know,

488
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: it's a specific flavor of Italiano. You know, like people say,

489
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: Southern Italian is different than Northern Italian. Northern Italians were

490
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: traditionally more wealthy. Southern Italians were tended to be looked

491
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: down upon by the northern Italians more romantic himself. I can't,

492
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: I don't, I can't. I had. I've been to Italy

493
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: and the food is great all over. So you know,

494
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: one of our camera guys, Ridge Pounder, was in Sicily.

495
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: I've been there. Guess what he bought in Sicily? Uh, crucifix.

496
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:18,239
Speaker 1: He bought a pair of birken stock. It's like, hey,

497
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: is like, I bought these birds in Sicily? Like that,

498
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: no one goes. Maybe his shoes exploded or something needed

499
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: some impromptu footwear. Okay, let me paint a scenario for you. Well,

500
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: what's most valuable I heard of you recently? I want

501
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: to talk about guys falling out of tree stands, yes, sir,

502
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: And what's that? What's that's all about? And I want

503
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: to talk about gunshot wounds. And I want to talk

504
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: about the most common general maladies, not infectious diseases. We

505
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: already covered that with another feller. We covered that with epidemiologists.

506
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: That is, more maladies that afflict outdoors men and outdoors women. Correct,

507
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: We can talk about whatever term about that. There's just

508
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: no perfect term. Hunters in general. What is she's hunting mushrooms?

509
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: People outside out of door people, people who are using

510
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: in an exploring nature. I mean, so where do we start?

511
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: He was saying, you recently had a guy uh come

512
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: into your er area. They had fallen out of the

513
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: tree and had opened up his scroll. That was a

514
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: case that happened. Not too recent, but it was. I

515
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: think it was about a year ago. He um was

516
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: was injured, wasn't wearing I think he was wearing his harness,

517
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: but he didn't he wasn't clipped into a uh safety

518
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: line going up and he had um the foothooks that

519
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: we're in and had had slipped out and had just

520
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: caught him right on back up. He had what no

521
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: uh you know those screw in footooks that you you

522
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: see him at like myers were kids. Yeah, that was

523
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: the brand we use was Dear Knees. I don't know

524
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: what the brand was, dear me. Was it Dear or

525
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: Dear knee It's like a six chook, like an L

526
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: shape or J shape, and they're they're pretty burly iron

527
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: or steel, and you screw him in. Seems very unsafe

528
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: to me in general, but not note but I've never

529
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: used them. But oh, you got one of those things

530
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: in man that especially once that tree grows around him

531
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: there there for you gotta wrassle them. You had to

532
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: bring a mallet to get him back out of the tree. Yeah,

533
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: I like my climber. I feel more safe in the

534
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: finished Sorry, so he climbs up to so he had

535
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: his hard So this is something that we see a

536
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: lot of people wear their harness. There's a couple of

537
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: iterations people either a don't wear a harness or be

538
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: they wear a harness but they don't clip in on

539
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: the way up or down. Which we know that most

540
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: of these falls are occurring ascending or descending traditionally, and

541
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: that's true. So the data is is hard. We can

542
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: speak a little bit about the data around tree stand injuries,

543
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: which it's an important topic because it's the number one

544
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: malady that affects hunters as far as serious trauma in

545
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: the Midwest and South um out here not so much

546
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: because you guys aren't doing a lot of tree stand

547
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: on it. There's the number one major thing to befall

548
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: a hunter in the East and South correct correct as

549
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: far as trauma, not gunshot wounds. And because this guy

550
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: did not clip in, what was the malady that he suffered.

551
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: So he when he fell, he fell on the tree hook,

552
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: lacerated part of his scrotum and then he hit the ground.

553
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: Like you're saying, the tree hook was so strong, yes,

554
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: and had such a purchase on the tree. Yes, yeah,

555
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: that it was able to disembowl his scroll. Yeah. Well

556
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: it didn't pull his testicles out, but it did it

557
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: did cut part of his scrotum. Yeah. Now, when Alan

558
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: told us this, Brody turned to me and said, left

559
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:42,239
Speaker 1: couple of acorns up that tree. So he eventually did

560
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: well were the doctor Sam was able to They sewed

561
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: him up no problem and uh, you know the wound

562
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: healing and whatnot. But he got really lucky. You know,

563
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: he landed on his feet, didn't break his back or

564
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: his legs. But you know, we saw we will see

565
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: people middle aged, very functional, um you know, uh, members

566
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: of society, and they will fall and then all of

567
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: a sudden they are quadriplegic and they're on hospice. You know,

568
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: it's a heartbreaking situation. You know how many people in

569
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: your area and you said you have high hunter densities

570
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: in your area, correct, Yeah, we have about so I've

571
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: been talking with the Michigan DNR getting some numbers, and

572
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: we have about hundred and fifty thousand people in Jackson

573
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: County and we have roughly ten to thirteen thousand individual

574
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: hunting licenses, which is about ten percent, which is above

575
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: the national average of hunters. Because we're talking the highest

576
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: percentage is eight percent seven per hunter participation, and so

577
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: we have a pretty high hunter density in our in

578
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: our county. UM and UM, you know, we see everything

579
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: from lacerations to people accidentally getting their ear drum blown

580
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: open because there you know, not using gun safety, not

581
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: using high Yeah, I saw a guy who came in. UM,

582
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: they were messing around with a pistol and his so

583
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: it wasn't specifically a hunting injury, but it was a

584
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: firearms injury and his buddy just let it loose right

585
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: when we're standing right next to him, and it blew open.

586
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: His ear drum, just totally perforated, super painful. What happens then,

587
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: So my understanding is if it's wide open, obviously no

588
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: swimming or any thing, cause you get water in there

589
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: and your inner ears and expose and you don't want

590
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: an infection to develop. It'll heal or not, He'll depends

591
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: how large the um it's like a drum head. So

592
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: depending on how large the injury is, it can seal

593
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: over and then you kind of have a chronic weak spot,

594
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,959
Speaker 1: or they can put a patch over it and create

595
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: a new ear drum for you. So you see ear,

596
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: nose and throat doc and they tell you that kind

597
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: of stuff. So touching off a pistol next to his

598
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: buddy's head ruptures his ear drum. Yeah, yeah, it was

599
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: pretty impressive, completely ruptured, and it was using a ton

600
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: of pain. I mean using like a twenty five b

601
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: H and the head, ear, eyes, nose and throat, h

602
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: E and T. Stuff very painful because there's a lot

603
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: of nerve endings in your face, your ears, your nose,

604
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: like your tooth. I mean, we see a lot of

605
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: people who have bad teeth from you know, not brushing,

606
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: drinking too much mountain dew and smoking, and they come

607
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: in and excruciating pain. It's it's really I had my

608
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: heart goes out to him. Unfortunately, I was with a

609
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: body mind yesterday and we're talking about floss in your teeth. Yeah,

610
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: and uh, he said, last time he's into dentist. They

611
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,479
Speaker 1: asked him when the last time he floss his teeth

612
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: was and he said to the dentist, don't know when

613
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: was I in here last? They came out it's a

614
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: good point. So they came out with something. So they've

615
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: been pushing the flossing thing for a long time, and

616
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: they came out with some sort of some study that

617
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: said there's no definitive evidence that flossing prevents um, you know,

618
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: decay or tooth loss whatever. It can't be true. Well,

619
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: I think, told me, so, yeah, go ahead, no you

620
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: tell me. So I'm saying what your dentist said. I'm

621
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: from with interrupting, so it go ahead, go ahead. So

622
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: even though even though there's a research tell you that

623
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: came out and said that you don't need a research

624
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: to wear a parachute jumping out of a plane. You

625
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: don't need research studies, so you can bend research to

626
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: tell it what you want to tell you. So it's

627
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 1: like the doctors at the tobacco companies for sure. For sure.

628
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: So you you just use common sense, like is this good?

629
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: It's like thirty your tooth surfaces in between your teeth,

630
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: so why not clean it? You know? So right, yeah,

631
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: Well the guy explained to me when I was asking

632
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: him what's up with floss? And because I was saying, well,

633
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm not religious about it. I floss a fair bit,

634
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: flost four or five times a week. He was selling

635
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: me my dentist who's the hunter, and my rollal surgeons

636
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: a hunter my dentist, but am I rollal surgeon? Both

637
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: like hunt, so you have a lot of trust. And uh,

638
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: my knee doctor likes the hunt. There you go. I

639
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: don't need him. So I only went once and he said,

640
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: my knees fines. I don't know if he counts with

641
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: my knee doctor. Talk about that later too. But what

642
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: was it getting at? Oh, why flossing? He said that

643
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: there are communities of bacteria that set up shop on

644
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: your teeth, and they're always trying to set up shop

645
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: on your teeth. When you flost, you interrupt the setting

646
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: up of shop. And the longer they get, and this

647
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: is just in a matter of days, the more tenacious,

648
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: the more tenaciously they can bind to the tooth. So

649
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: you're saying, by flossing every day, it's a convenient spacing

650
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: of time to interrupt them from setting up shop in

651
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: a way that makes them harder to get off. So

652
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: it's not like you can catch up. Like it's like,

653
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: if you don't floss Monday, well I just floss on Thursday.

654
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: By then they've adhered themselves in the way that just

655
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: mere floss is gonna have a hard time dislodging. But

656
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: by keeping on that daily schedule, you're keeping them off

657
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: before they can harden. Yeah, they I mean I always

658
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: ask why whenever I go to get your teeth clean.

659
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm always like, why do you have to use the

660
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: same medieval type instruments to scrape my mouth like they used,

661
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, eighty years ago. But they're saying they're getting

662
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: off that hardened plaque at the gum line, and like,

663
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: no matter how much you brush, and it just happens

664
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: with our diet, and you know, um, I think it's

665
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: a good litmus test. I always ask people who are

666
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: in the dental field how often they flost, and then

667
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 1: I can kind of gauge how often I should probably flost.

668
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: So they give it two to three times a week,

669
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: then I feel like that's probably pretty good. They're not

670
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: giving you that. No, Yeah, they'll say that, the honest

671
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: ones will. They don't. Some of them are fanatic and

672
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: they've lost twice a day. But you think, yeah, I

673
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: got you. I'll do every two three days. What just

674
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: to wrap up the tooth conversation, you gave us a

675
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: great hot tip on tooth that if you had this happen.

676
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: My brother shot my tooth out with a blowgun when

677
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: I was ten. A blowgun? What a rock? No, we

678
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: would take aluminum arrows. Okay, we'd cut the ends off them.

679
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: And remember what a light bright Yeah, okay, light bright peg.

680
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: Well that's not well, it's more complicated. So there's a

681
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: light bright peg, and a light bright peg fit an

682
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: illuminum arrow wonderfully. And it was a very effective, accurate

683
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: projectile to shoot an illuminum arrow. Oh okay, But just

684
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: so happened that a buddy bars down on west Lake

685
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: named Davy Cole. His old man worked in a ball

686
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: bearing factory, and he had access to all diameters of

687
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: ball bearings, and so my brother came into some ball

688
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: bearings that fit that aluminum arrow perfectly. And we do

689
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: a thing called a machine gun where you would fill

690
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: your mouth full of those ball bearings and then to

691
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: start blowing and using your tongue to feed the bearings

692
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: into the aluminum tube. Sounds like a tom and Jerry episode.

693
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: Oh and you could get up and just rip someone

694
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: like you could rip someone from crosh the eyeball with

695
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: a stream of ball bearings on a good breath and

696
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: he bob. We would wear goggles, but no one thought

697
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: to wear mouth protection. But he shot the tooth clean off,

698
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: snapped in half, and that exposed nerve. I was saying,

699
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: how I was saying that this exposed nerve, even breathing

700
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: would hurt. And you had a hot tip for this

701
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: is for people out in the field. This is like

702
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: what we're here to talk about. A broken tooth and

703
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: that exposed nerve. You can do what to help make

704
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: it feel better? So, um, so I've read and done.

705
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: We'll see people for various kinds of oral trauma. They'll

706
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: come in with a tooth half cracked off, and you

707
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: know they really need a dentist or oral surgeon, right,

708
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: but they come in at three am. They're not they

709
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: don't have access to that. They gotta wait till tomorrow

710
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 1: or the next day or whatever. So to help mitigate

711
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: some of that pain, um, you can put cianocrylate, which

712
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: is super glue basically over that nerve, so you get

713
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: the area really dry and then put the super blow

714
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: and then then blow on it so it drives real quick.

715
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: It's seals the nerve over and um. You know you're

716
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: messing with a native tooth. But when what the dentist

717
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: is gonna do is grind it down to a post,

718
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: probably try and save the nerve and then put a

719
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: cap on it. So whatever you put on that remaining

720
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: tooth is gonna get ground off anyway. You know, they

721
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: have other materials you can use, like copack and and

722
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: other things in a dental box. We keep in the

723
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: e d um but that works pretty effective. You probably

724
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: need antibiotics too, because you gotta expose nerve, can get infected.

725
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: Could you get infected? Yes? Nothing. Super glue is gonna

726
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: look better because it's clear. Yeah, we use super bowl

727
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: all the time. And stuff we use in the medical

728
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: field is you know for you know, we use it

729
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: for skin lacerations on the face and stuff and and

730
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: for face I use it all time my fingers and

731
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: stuff we use in the hospitals about they say five

732
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: times stronger than the stuff you buy at the store.

733
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: But I use the stuff I buy the store all

734
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: the time for a little cuts on my fingers because

735
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm like walking around with cuts. Yeah, I carry super

736
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: glue in my kit my little hunting kit bag. Those

737
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: single serving tubes, Yeah, that's a good because they always

738
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: get clogged up, you know, I mean, and then all

739
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 1: of a sudden you're dealing with a like a clog

740
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: tip and some goo in there that you can't really

741
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: get to. So what's the proper way if you get

742
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 1: a cut? How do you tell us a couple of questions.

743
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: Is there more to say about falling out of trees

744
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: before we talk about this next thing? I would say,

745
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: you know, since this is around the time where you

746
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: have a lot of people hunting um in the mid

747
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, using tree stands, I would I would appeal

748
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: to everybody to know that the number one injury would

749
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: be falling out of a stand, not a firearm injury.

750
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: You know, gun safety is extremely important. You know, we

751
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: see those tragic injuries, um, But the thing that you're

752
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: more likely to encounter somebody falling out of a stand.

753
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: So review a DVD, YouTube video something where your harness.

754
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: You know, you want to live to hunt another day.

755
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: You don't want to be paralyzed with a broken pelvis,

756
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: laying in the forest it's it's really important that people

757
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: do that. I think, yeah, I have a bad habit

758
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: of getting in the tree and then putting the harness on.

759
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: I have settled. I have seen I saw a guy

760
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: who came in. He came in for like a colitis

761
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: or a bowl infection, and I was talking to him

762
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: and I said, you got some nasty looking scars in

763
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: your bellies, like sixty five. Yeah. I'm like, well, what's

764
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: that from? Just kind of shooting the ship with him,

765
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: and because well, I fell out of a tree stand,

766
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: I'm like how. Then, of course my interest piques up

767
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: and I'm started asking lots of questions of how that happened.

768
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: He goes, well, I got to the top of the

769
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: tree stand and put my harness on and I slipped

770
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: out putting it on like while he's in the top

771
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: up and he was also on a blood thinner, and

772
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: it was he you know, fractured his spleen. It was

773
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: amazing he lived. And then the real bomb and he goes,

774
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: it was actually the second time that happened to me.

775
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, you're like lucky to be alive falling

776
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: out twice. It's you know, and you said, us ending

777
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: and descending acending. So the and like I said, the

778
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: research is hard because not all of them are reported.

779
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: Not every state tracks and Michigan doesn't track them. Illinois

780
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: will track them. Um, so anybody involved in like a

781
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: police officer or conservation police officer, it's a mandatory reporting

782
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: in Illinois, but Michigan it's not. They just do firearms,

783
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: so getting the mandatory reporting. So if somebody is injured

784
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: in the field with a firearm hunting you, that's a

785
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: mandatory report to the d NR. So they there's a

786
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: stream of information that gets passed from police officer through

787
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: a specific network kind of like a pager system. Was

788
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: explained to me to the CPO, who to them go

789
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: investigate if needed at the hospital or at home and

790
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: figure out what and they keep itally of these every

791
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: and they release a report. It's pretty morbid to read it,

792
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: but it's interesting from a medical perspective to look at

793
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: it and see, you know, a lot of these firearm

794
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: injuries are occurring for you know, it's it's not it's

795
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: usually careless handling of a firearm, not um failure to

796
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: identified target. It's usually you know, carrying your gun, you know,

797
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: the wrong way up a tree stand, linking your you know,

798
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 1: haul of court to the freaking trigger guard, handing weapons

799
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: to each other, falling over something, you know, the stuff

800
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: you learn in hunters that you know, don't go over

801
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: a fence with a loaded gun. You drop your gun

802
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: and it goes off. You don't rely on the safety, etcetera.

803
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: That kind of stuff. You know, you do see people

804
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: swinging on you know, I read one from Michigan. Somebody

805
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: swings on a squirrel and the twenty two hits you know,

806
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: a young person in the head and they die and

807
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: it's just tragic, tragic. So that was it was like

808
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: a sixty three year old killed like a thirteen year old.

809
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: It was just squirrels. Yeah, just that kind of stuff

810
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: really gets to maybe, I think the further on I

811
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: get in medicine, you get a little you can get

812
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: a little numb to um pain in some ways because

813
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: you have to function in an environment where you're functioning

814
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,479
Speaker 1: with somebody else's in pain and you're you're you're trying

815
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: to help them. So if you're emoting with them and

816
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: feeling what they're feeling, then you can't get your job done.

817
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: You can't help that person. The things that I think

818
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: really bother me is when I can relate and whether

819
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's a thirty six year ol guy

820
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: who's always got a new diagnosis of cancer, or it's

821
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 1: a little kid that looks like my kid that's injured.

822
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: That ship's really hard to emotionally process. And so reading

823
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: these stories because I'm a hunter, and because I feel

824
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: so bad, it's hard to even just read the one

825
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: liner about what happens. You know, it's thinking about jeez man.

826
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: But I should say I sent a power point to

827
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: Brodie that, UM, we use some of these statistics. There's

828
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: a national Injury database that's collected. There's a hundred e

829
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: rs and this it's a government run database through the

830
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: Consumer Protection CPSC. I can't remember the acronym, but it's

831
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: a hundred yers that are surveillanced in a input anything

832
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: um that has related to a consumer products. So if

833
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: you're injured, but you wanna know how many people are

834
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: injured by vacuum cleaners, you can search vacuum cleaners. You

835
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: can search hunting knives and lacerations, the hand, finger, arm,

836
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: whatever um. They estimate there's about six to four thousand

837
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,959
Speaker 1: tree stand related injuries per year in the United States,

838
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: and it really has not I looked at the numbers

839
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: and it really has not declined with more education. It's

840
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: pretty much stayed the same. Because our hunting numbers are

841
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: going down a little bit, you know, the big game numbers.

842
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: If you compare them, we're still having the same rough

843
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: rate of tree STANM related injuries across the country. Um

844
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: interestingly though, because there's so much more focused on it.

845
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: There there is. But it's just like we're it's just like,

846
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: you know, seatbelts with cars, right, so we're talking about

847
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: earlier education is a hard thing to um change habit

848
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: when it comes to our patient population and people in general.

849
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: So you can talk yourself to your boo in the face,

850
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: but until you engineer solution into the equation, you're still

851
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: going to get those people like you know, like maybe

852
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: my grandfather doesn't wear a seat belt as often as

853
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: I would, but you put that annoying beep in your car,

854
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: in the brand new car, you're gonna wear your seat

855
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: belt because you don't want to listen to the beep.

856
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: For Somebody told me you can take the fuse out

857
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: of that situation. Yeah, that's sounds hard. To do. Man,

858
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: they do sell You can go online and buy um,

859
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 1: you can go online and buy just like a buckle

860
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: with a orange piece on it, yeah, and then keep

861
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: it clicking there so it just thinks you're buckled up.

862
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: No kidding. Those people don't have any lie. I can't

863
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: believe there's not a lawsuit gets that cup on the toyota.

864
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: Uh there's the sensors underneath the seat, and you just

865
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: disconnect that sensor. U I saw once on YouTube. Don't

866
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: listen to kel so Okay, yeah, do not listen to me.

867
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm a terrible example. But just like as you are

868
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: saying this, I'm realizing, like when you're like, yeah, the

869
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: sixty year old guy who fell out of the tree

870
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: stand twice, Yeah, I just go, oh yeah, I get it.

871
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: But if it's the sixteen year old kid who falls

872
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: out of the tree, stown like idiot, Yeah right, you know, absolutely,

873
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: I don't because it's true he is an idiot. Right,

874
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: You're like sixteen, you haven't seen a lot of stuff.

875
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: But the sixty year old guy, like he's making informed decisions. Oh,

876
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: I got you right. And I just feel like if

877
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: there was an emphasis on safety in my growing up,

878
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: which looking back there there was a lot of like, yeah,

879
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: you shouldn't do that, and that was about it that

880
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: you learned your lesson there. Yeah, I feel like that

881
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: is just such a better way to start out because

882
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: now like nothing and somebody's like, oh, well, you know,

883
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: you shouldn't do it that way. I'm always like, you

884
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: should have seen me ten years ago, man, right, But

885
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: I think they're just like the tree stand thing. Like

886
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people have changed their ways. Man.

887
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: Like we used to build tree stands out of chunks

888
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: of two by fours and just like no ladder, no rot,

889
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: like just lean up there. My dad would make him, uh,

890
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: he would steal street signs for a platform, like what

891
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: like a stop signer, like you take that? He liked

892
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: that metal. Yeah. Um. They used to have had these

893
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: like thick signs. It was like a lamb and it

894
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: was like a thick plywood with a face on for

895
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: a solid metal. And we had some tree stands. You

896
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: can still see like the parts of speed limit numbers

897
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: and stuff. But I wouldn't get up in one of

898
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: those things I made when I was a kid. Yeah,

899
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: use you know, I use harness. I think the reason

900
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: that the reason that I started getting into it. I

901
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: think so before I started, I'm kind of an adult

902
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: onset hunter. I used to wrestle in high school, college

903
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: and and so wrestling season is pretty much all of

904
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: deer season. Do you still have that wrestling problem where

905
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: you're always trying to wrestle guys? We're not familiar enough yet,

906
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: So I haven't done it to you. But here I

907
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: would have advised him about my blast. Pick a good one, Phil.

908
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: That's right. It's a it's a thing. It's a unique subculture,

909
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: you know. And I think because you know it's it's

910
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: underappreciated and how difficult it is. It doesn't get any popularity,

911
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: like you know, football gets so much play, and and

912
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: you wrestled at a high in school. Oh no, the

913
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: University of Chicago is a Division three. It was you know,

914
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,919
Speaker 1: it was more high end academically. Oh yeah, which would

915
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: mean to be easy to beat everybody. Well, I have

916
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: to hope, I so I didn't. I kind of like it. Really.

917
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: It's emotionally draining with you know, cutting weight and training

918
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: all the time, and your focus gets to be on

919
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: other things when you're in college, um that don't involve

920
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, athletics, you know. And then and then at

921
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: a certain point, I'm like, I'm not going to be

922
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: a professional wrestler. I'm gonna study to get into medical

923
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: school and wrestling scholarship. No, no, they don't, they don't,

924
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: d three, they don't have scholarship. They give you like

925
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: a workman, they like give you money to work in

926
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: the cafeteria or something like that. And um, I could

927
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: have gone to smaller school and maybe gotten a scholarship.

928
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: But you got that little Rodney Dangerfield swimsuit on one

929
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: out there, and yeah, it's you know, it's comforting. I

930
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: love it. It's I still I still will do UM

931
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: club wrestling at UMM with the college kids there and

932
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: go and I get to pull the old man break

933
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: because I'm winded. Um. And I'm gonna try and get

934
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: my kids into it and we'll we'll see if they

935
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,439
Speaker 1: like it or maybe they'll be in defencing. I don't

936
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: know what they'll like. You want to raise up wrestlers.

937
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: It's so much it's so much fun, dude. It's a

938
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: physicality and like a fitness that doesn't ever go away,

939
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 1: a work ethic that you just cannot It's different than football.

940
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: It's different because you know you're the only one out there,

941
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: You're the only one staying. There's no one else to

942
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: blame when you lose. It's a manoe mono. It's not

943
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: as traumatic as boxing. Right. I don't want my kids

944
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: to box because of the chronic traumatic and cephalopathy. I

945
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: don't my kids to play football because it's like the

946
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: number one injured sport, although I love playing football when

947
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: I grew up. So, but who knows what they'll be in.

948
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: My wife's a very good influence in saying you should

949
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: let them try and choose what they enjoy. I don't

950
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: recommend that either. Let I want to get back to this, Okay,

951
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: let's I want to talk about cuts in the field.

952
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: Cuts in the field, right, we'll start minor. Okay, when

953
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: is it okay? And when is the appropriate to try

954
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: to superglue a cut back together? Again? So when is

955
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: it okay? This is a two parter. When is it

956
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: okay to to do a rambo and stitch yourself up?

957
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: So it all has to do with I think the

958
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: size of the cut um and what is your When

959
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: are you going to be able to get to definitive care?

960
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: So we ideally like to have wounds healed by primary intention,

961
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: meaning that we'll stitch them back together, bring the skin

962
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: back together so the skin can heal itself. The stitches

963
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: don't actually heal the skin, they just bring it next

964
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: to itself so it can heal. So um, we ideally

965
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 1: try and do that within eight to twelve hours. Anything

966
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: beyond that we worry about enough bacteria from the environment

967
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: getting in there, and then we close it up and

968
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: then we seal in some infection. Exception to that would

969
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: be facial injuries because face, you know, it's generally not

970
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: tolerable to have somebody have a giant scars in their

971
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 1: face for cosmetic reasons. So if you're in the field

972
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: and you have like a you know, a one inch

973
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: cut on your finger that's closely approximate, it's not a

974
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: lot of gapping or gaping. Um, then you can stretch

975
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: that thing out, put some super bluel on it, like

976
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: kind of like pull it, pull the skin on either end,

977
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: or pinch it together and the inside with super glue. No, sir, Yeah,

978
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: so you want you want the skin. So skin has

979
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: different layers. You have like the top or superficial epidermist,

980
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: then you have the dermist and then you have the

981
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: extracellular matrix. Underneath. The extracellular matrix is where these fibroblasts

982
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 1: that are basically like connectors will come together and heal

983
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: your tissue. You don't want that all gummed up with

984
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: glue or you're just gonna have you know, you want

985
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: the skin to be touching, and then you put the

986
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: glue on top like a seal on top, and provide

987
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: that touching skin so it can heal itself. Bottom line,

988
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: most of the time, we're just helping our body out.

989
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 1: The body is an amazing thing. It's it's doing, it's

990
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: doing and in healing itself more than we're really helping

991
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: most of the time. You know, when I, uh, I'm

992
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 1: just talking about minor cuts, like everything leading up to uh,

993
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: everything leading up to like, man, I should probably get

994
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: a stitch, but yeah, we're not gonna go get a

995
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: stitch that type of cut. I tell me if if

996
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: this is correct, because this is what like I carry

997
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:37,479
Speaker 1: in my medikit only what's good up to that only

998
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: really what's going up to that point, alcohol swab okay,

999
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: then Neil Sporn triple antibiotic ointment, then band aid. Then

1000
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: oh that that stretchy tape you can wrap around and

1001
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: protect the hold the band aid on, so you could

1002
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: use um. So there's a couple of parts of wound care.

1003
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: So the primary part is um. You sure it stays

1004
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: clean and dry. And when somebody has a laceration um

1005
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: or cut, you can we we always irrigate them with water.

1006
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: And so a lot of people will use iodine and

1007
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: normal saline and other stuff. But really you can just

1008
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: use tap water as long as you can drink it.

1009
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: You can irrigate it when with it. There's been plenty

1010
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: tap water when plenty of studies that show it's not

1011
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: inferior to the saline and the iodine. And what about

1012
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: creek water if you could drink it, I mean, if

1013
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: you purified it and you could drink it, that'll be fine.

1014
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: You know, creek water and I don't know, I know

1015
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:36,479
Speaker 1: the differences one dirtier, Yeah, creek is dirty in the creek, yeah,

1016
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 1: Patrick McManus um he described the difference being in a creek.

1017
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: Somewhere in there. You can find a tire in the

1018
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,919
Speaker 1: absence of a tire, it's a creek you worried more about. Yeah,

1019
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: tires are fine, you know, feces from animals and other

1020
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: bacteria is what we worry about. But what you can

1021
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: do is you can take like a zip block bag

1022
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: or any kind of bag at full water, poke a

1023
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: hole in the bottom it with like a needle, and

1024
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: then spray your wound and you have your little own irrigation.

1025
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 1: That's a good way to clean it. Spray it with water.

1026
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: That's what that's what we do every time. And so

1027
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: before no, no, no, no, just just room temperature water

1028
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: is fine. And so a lot of times previous and

1029
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: so the thing about medicine is that everything things are

1030
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: always moving and shifting and changing. And right, because now

1031
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: we're more evidence, base will do a study and then

1032
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 1: see what happens, and and we'll build on the people

1033
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: before us um So previously it used to be we

1034
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: think that it's the pressure of the water knocking the

1035
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: bacteria off the wound. And now it's more that we

1036
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: think it's like the volume of water. But to me,

1037
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter. Just use enough water. They say

1038
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: fifty mls per centimeter of cut. Just use a whole

1039
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: bunch of water irrigated out. See if you can bring

1040
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: the edges together, you can you could use in a pinch,

1041
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: you could use duct tape to try and get it

1042
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: close together. You could use starry strips or um wound

1043
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: closure strips. Um. In the Wilderness Medicine fellowship that I did,

1044
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: they talked about in a real hardup situation, you could

1045
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: use like boiled thread if you had to. In a

1046
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: sewing needle, you could use nylon. A lot of the

1047
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: suitors we use are basically nylon, and we do use

1048
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: silk too, so if you had silk thread you could

1049
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: use that as well. You could use that. But it's

1050
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: really thick, you know, Like so suiture is graded based

1051
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: off size, Like six oh is what I would use

1052
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: for your face. It's very fine. It's like you know,

1053
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: very hair, you know, super thin, breaks real easy, and

1054
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: then uh, like one oh or three oh is something

1055
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: you use for somebody's thigh. Dental floss is like double oh,

1056
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: so it's like it's like shot, you know, kind of

1057
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: like six oh is real at the top and then

1058
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: oh oh does down here and that's super thick. So

1059
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: dental floss would probably be real, real uncomfortable and quick interjection.

1060
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: Do you ever do you ever get that dad who

1061
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: kind of like grabs you and you like, you know,

1062
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: doc like a little bit of a scar up there

1063
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: is fine. I have not uh not really yeah, we

1064
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: don't really see you do get You get varied um,

1065
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: varied amounts of concern about scars, you know, and UM

1066
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: typically people that are I mean, what you'd expect like

1067
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: a teenage girl, you want to make sure that her

1068
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: face is you know, not scarred up. But you know, uh,

1069
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: twenty three year old boy, your man, I guess boy,

1070
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: you don't really you believe in UM you're telling me that,

1071
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: uh you're like you factor in age and gender when

1072
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: deciding whether they want a scar or not. Uh. So

1073
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: expectation I think is important to address. And so there

1074
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: is a large customer service aspect to medicine nowadays. UM,

1075
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: and it is it is for I think in buy

1076
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: and large. I think it's for the better because I

1077
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: think if we treat people the way we would want

1078
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: to be treated, whether you know you're talking about a

1079
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: golden rule, you're talking about a service industry, you're talking

1080
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: about UM, doing how you'd want your family member treated,

1081
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: then it's for the better. And I think both providers

1082
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: and patients are are better off and feel better about

1083
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: their job. But it can go over the line, right.

1084
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: So you got somebody coming in who is pissed because

1085
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: their kids got a running nose and a cough. And

1086
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: I just talked to somebody who I just diagnosed with cancer,

1087
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: and this other person's piss because they're waited an hour,

1088
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: and so how do you address that. You have to

1089
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: treat them, But they don't under they don't understand. They

1090
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: don't know because their experiences in a vacuum correct. And

1091
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: I think that that is a big societal problem. I

1092
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: think that's so lack of social awareness is a big

1093
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: societal problem that we have. And what's interesting about the

1094
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: emergency department is that you see all walks of life.

1095
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: You could walk down the hall and see a CEO

1096
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: of a company who's getting a d U I and

1097
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: crash his car, and an eight three old grandma who

1098
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: has five family members at the side of their bed

1099
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: versus uh, you know, sixty year old guy with dementia

1100
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: that has nobody in his bed, nobody, nobody cares about him.

1101
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: And then a little girl cut her face because her

1102
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: brother threw a book add her. You know, I mean,

1103
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: it's just the equalizer for everybody. Healthcare and particularly e

1104
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: d you know. Uh, I wasn't dogging on you about it, because, yeah,

1105
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: my my four year old he's got a couple pretty

1106
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: good nicks in his forehead now from stitches, and I

1107
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: don't care. But I wouldn't want my daughter to be

1108
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,439
Speaker 1: all scarred up. I feel some you know, I don't

1109
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: know why. I mean, there's a there's a premium placed

1110
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: on beauty, like it or not. I think you know,

1111
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: but I think you know. I'm sure you feel the

1112
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: same way. All my children are beautiful, So no, i'd

1113
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: prefer my little boy to be all scarred up. It does,

1114
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know. I want me too tore up.

1115
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: My girl had a big old scar across her face,

1116
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: I think. So, you know, as long as there's no

1117
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: permanent damage otherwise it's fine. It doesn't matter. Okay, what

1118
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: about stitching yourself up? I just meant I thought you

1119
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: couldn't do it because I was One time we were

1120
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: hunting out easter here and my buddy's dog got a

1121
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: gash up on a barber fence. My buddy's wife, it

1122
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: was a doctor, okay, it was Thanksgiving Day. She stitched

1123
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: the dog up. I thought she had a good and

1124
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:58,439
Speaker 1: clean stitch the dog up. She gives stitches all the time,

1125
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: which is in my brother's g I just ditching it up. Yeah,

1126
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: and then ended up needing to open it back up. Yeah,

1127
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: because of an infection. That's unfortunate. Yeah, yeah, and she

1128
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: was worried about that happening do the nature of the injury. Yeah,

1129
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: but I thought that, Um, when I watched Rambo, we

1130
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: all went out and bought Rambo knives. They had a

1131
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: needle and in fishing in the handle, right handle. I

1132
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: had that. That was the coolest thing. A non functioning compass,

1133
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: a compass on the bottom on the butt. Yeah. You

1134
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: used to be able to go to the Moskegan flea

1135
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: market and buy Rambo knives for four nine and nine

1136
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: weastic sheath, really bad little owner. That was the stone

1137
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: in the handle. My grandfather, who was the first person

1138
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: to teach me how to shoot, at twenty two a

1139
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: like a milk jug floating in a lake on his

1140
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: farm in Indiana. That's that was his preferred target, milk

1141
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: jug floating in a lake. Were there's home video of

1142
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: my brother and he must be my brother must be

1143
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: ice kids, you know, he must be four years old

1144
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: and we're doing this, but they're over our shoulder, like

1145
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: holding it, you know. But we used to go to

1146
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: the flea market in southern Indiana and that was the

1147
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: main It was either baseball cards or knives, that's what

1148
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: we wanted. Oh yeah, and you could buy illegal fireworks

1149
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: at the flea market too, and they rambon. They had

1150
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff down there. There was a couple

1151
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: of times in high school. No, this is horrible. I

1152
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: just want to say it's horrible. There's a couple of

1153
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: times in high school we would on lunch break go

1154
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: down to the Moskegon River and have someone run upstream

1155
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: and huck bottles out of the river so that you

1156
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: could shoot Tony two's Adam as they floated past the

1157
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: boat launch. No kidding, just stupid shooting it. Shooting at

1158
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: a moving object with somebody nearby, at a flat surface,

1159
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: you're breaking making some glass, breaking some hunter safety rules

1160
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: for sure, and then like run back to hopefully not

1161
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: be tardy. That's the stuff. That's the stuff of youth, though,

1162
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what that's not even youth. That's just

1163
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: that's just like old enough to know better. That's that's

1164
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: the thing that I don't know how we were dumb.

1165
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how. So I tell my kids, my

1166
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 1: wife and I both they love our possible story. And

1167
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: I think I you live a paranoid life in some

1168
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: ways when you're in the healthcare profession because you're around

1169
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: sony sick people. You see so much and you see

1170
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: somebody you just think everybody's injured all the time. Dude.

1171
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: I mean it's really it's makes you kind of paranoid.

1172
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: And so you might see a bookshelf that's on a wall,

1173
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: I see something that could tip over and crush the

1174
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: two year old head because I've seen that before, you know,

1175
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: And and so you're just kind of have this thing

1176
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: that you're beating down. You want to be super O

1177
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: c D paranoid. But to teach your kids about the stuff,

1178
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: like a good parent would like, don't do this. And

1179
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: I think the way and you guys touch on this

1180
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: a lot. I think you talk about how you you

1181
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: mentor your children and bring them whether you think you've

1182
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: taken his kids fishing, sorry fishing and stuff, and talking

1183
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 1: about how you know boater safety and whatnot. And I

1184
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: think that showing people how it's supposed to be done

1185
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: and and being a mentor is a very powerful thing.

1186
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: So um, anyway, we probably won't be shooting milk jugs

1187
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: and lakes when I'm my and my kids. Don shooting

1188
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 1: glass bottles at the boat launch and bring your neck

1189
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: drifted by on lunch ower, So get back to school.

1190
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: So I thought so that because Rambo did it, I

1191
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: thought I was all right to sit yourself up. And

1192
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: then I thought that, Then I thought that you can't

1193
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: under any circumstances stit yourself up. But then just happened

1194
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: to be with two guys. These are these are some

1195
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: cool guys. Uh rerewhelming and we packed in a horseback.

1196
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: These dudes Crooked Sky Outfitters. We've been talking a bunch about.

1197
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: Both his dad and his kid have stitched themselves up.

1198
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: They stitched themselves up without any um anesthetic anesthetic, and

1199
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: then someone, uh I think maybe gave him some kind

1200
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: of anesthetic that they could use next time they need

1201
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: to stitch themselves up. And I said, well, I thought

1202
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: you can't do that, and he showed me. He's like,

1203
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm fine, Yeah, stitched himself up. So what's the verdict? Cool?

1204
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: Not cool? I mean, if I had I have the

1205
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: number of times I've so I could stitch myself up.

1206
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: You could sit yourself up and had the appropriate material.

1207
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 1: I think it's all about the tools. Like it's like carpentery.

1208
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: If you got the right tools, you can do it.

1209
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: Most people can stit yourself up, um, if you have

1210
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: the right tools. But you know, winging it with some

1211
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: threat in the sewing, you know, would be pretty not

1212
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 1: a good way to do it. It is you know, yeah,

1213
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: the skin, the cotton in there is probably gonna cause irritation.

1214
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: I think the best thing would be, you know, scary

1215
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: strips or some sort of like you know, the thing

1216
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: that you could try and bring the edges together or

1217
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, superglue. But you don't recommend people to start

1218
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: stitching themselves up. No, I'm not trying to drum up

1219
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: any business. But we're happy to see you in the

1220
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: department to sew you up anytime. Were those guys stitching

1221
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: themselves up because they like needed to like or were

1222
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: they just avoiding the hassle up going to a doct

1223
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: avoiding the hassle because they were back in the mountains

1224
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: guiding and didn't want And it's a long horse ride

1225
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: and a very long vehicle ride and they have clients

1226
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: with them, and it wasn't tenable to like be like, hey,

1227
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: I'll be back in two days and ride all those

1228
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: miles and drive all you know what I mean. So

1229
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: they would just rather doing that themselves up. And they're

1230
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: both firm believers in it. No no vocane or whatever

1231
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 1: you call it. Yeah, no light of cane. Yeah, it's

1232
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it stings, for sure. It doesn't feel good.

1233
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: I've had stitches and I think the anaesthetic wasn't really

1234
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 1: working very well. And it hurts when you get the

1235
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: needle through your skin, but certainly not the worst pain. Yanni.

1236
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: Are you ready to move on to tourniquets? Right? Yeah,

1237
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: it's very enthusiastic. He really job Phil. He's only got

1238
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: twenty five to choose from. He's picking some great sound ups.

1239
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: Uh so yeah, yeah, yeh, he's ready to move on

1240
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: to tourniquets. Okay, uh, me and Calier, let's say, me

1241
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 1: and Calier hunt Okay, I am I shoot him in

1242
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: the on accident, on accident, shoot him right in the calf, okay,

1243
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: bleeding all over the place, Okay, a lot of pooling blood.

1244
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: And the bullet doesn't just bounce off because you've seen

1245
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: my calves. Yeah, it's like a very high high power load, okay. Um.

1246
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: And and it's able to penetrate Cal's calf, not like

1247
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 1: a most loader which it just bounce off, but it

1248
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 1: penetrates Cal's calf, knocks the hunk of bone out of it.

1249
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: Who bleeding all over all? Right? Uh? And let's just

1250
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: say we're in the universe where, for whatever reason, professional

1251
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 1: medical care is hours away, and we're looking at the

1252
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: amount of blood coming out and we're like, man, I

1253
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: don't know if a fella can sustain that level of

1254
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: blood loss. Sure what happens? So they're in action or action, right,

1255
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,919
Speaker 1: So in action so you can stand there and watch,

1256
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: which unfortunately you know as a bystander that glass up

1257
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: on top of be like, I guess you'll be Okay,

1258
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 1: we'll just put some so we see, you know, when

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01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 1: it comes to like bystander participation in somebody who's who

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01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: was injured, you can see a varied amount of uh success.

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01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 1: Somebody can stand air, or somebody can call nine and one,

1262
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 1: or or you can get a T shirt and just

1263
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 1: put it on there and basically mop up the blood.

1264
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: But what we should really do and what we're teaching

1265
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: trying to teach our lay public to do now is

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01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: um use the resources they have around them, uh, and

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01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: get educated, just like we did for CPR, you know.

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01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: And so there's a UM a group out there called

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01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: Stop the Bleed and they allow people to become instructors

1270
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 1: and they teach people how to use tourniquates. And so

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01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 1: a situation like that where you have a lot of

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01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 1: pooling blood and like a defined pooling blood for me,

1273
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 1: so human beings have about five leaders of blood in

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01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: their body, um, and so if you have like just

1275
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: they're laying in a circle of blood, you know, like

1276
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 1: somebody poured out a pool of blood like a half

1277
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: gallon of half gallon of milks build out on the ground.

1278
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: That's a lot of blood. And that is reasonable that

1279
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 1: maybe you should describe the injury. But there was a

1280
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 1: reasonable that I could hit cat like that and get

1281
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: a pool for sure. I mean, so there's arteries, so

1282
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 1: there's not to be too simplistic, but in our cardiovascular

1283
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 1: system there's arteries and there's veins. The arteries under higher

1284
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: pressure than the veins. The arteries bring oxygen ned blood

1285
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: to our tissues, and veins bring it back um the

1286
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 1: arteries under high pressure. If you lace rate or injure

1287
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: an artery, that blood will pump out in will spray

1288
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: from me a brody across the room. Um and it's

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01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: hard to hard to miss that, you know. So if

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01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 1: you have an extremity injury that's pumping blood, or even

1291
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: a bad vein that's bleeding a lot um or a

1292
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: set of veins, you could need to use a tourniquet.

1293
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 1: And so the first thing that they teach in this

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01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:36,560
Speaker 1: course and what we teach is direct pressure. Um So,

1295
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: you start putting pressure either their palm in your hand,

1296
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: two fingers and some gauze or a T shirt, or

1297
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 1: you can kneel on it to get hands free to

1298
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 1: grab yep, yep, you can kneel on it so your

1299
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: hands free. It's a hot pro tip from paramedics there

1300
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: superstars out in the in the field, and so they

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01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: do that a lot when somebody has injuries or they

1302
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: need to stabilize somebody's neck when they're doing stuff. Um So,

1303
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: after direct pressure, if it's not controlling the bleeding, we

1304
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,719
Speaker 1: still see you know, blood self close pooling of blood.

1305
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 1: Then it's time to put a tourniquet. On and so

1306
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:12,440
Speaker 1: what about like what Rambo does where he uh cauterized

1307
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 1: it cauterized with a flair. Yet it's uh not advised.

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01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 1: We we we talked about um, we've talked about that

1309
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 1: a little bit. And and UM, you know, cinema has

1310
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting interpretations of what medical injuries look like.

1311
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:30,480
Speaker 1: And I think, I mean, we all know how devastating

1312
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:33,719
Speaker 1: a single shot can be on a mammal like a deer.

1313
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 1: I can't speak to like with an elk er, but

1314
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 1: like you know a deer that it's just the amount

1315
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: of trauma that you get from a single round is incredible.

1316
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 1: But you see these movies and people like run run

1317
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: through bullets like it's no big deal. They get shot.

1318
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: They're always getting shot, like in the upper shoulder or

1319
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 1: over the clavical and there's not a lot of bleeding.

1320
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: But underneath your clavical are these big artises called the

1321
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 1: subclavian arties that you would die like immediately if you

1322
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:59,480
Speaker 1: had a twelve gates round go through that. So cauterizing

1323
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 1: is not a no good there's no situation. Cauterizing is

1324
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,679
Speaker 1: done in the operating room or like say operating theater

1325
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: because that used to be a theater, and they will

1326
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 1: use a pen like instrument to cauter as individual vessels UM.

1327
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 1: And when you talk about gross cauterization or large area cauterization,

1328
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: you're basically creating a third degree burn with a lot

1329
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: of dead tissue around that is probably going to get

1330
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 1: infected or or you know, fall off. So in the

1331
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 1: major in the gunshot wound category, the first thing you

1332
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: try is direct pressure. Direct pressure, yep. And depending on

1333
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 1: where it is, so you have three different areas. There's

1334
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 1: your extremities, your junctional areas like your neck, your armpit,

1335
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: and your growing and then your torso which is like

1336
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: your chest and your abdomen. Um. Direct pressure will work

1337
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: for any of those sites, but you can only put

1338
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:49,560
Speaker 1: tourniquets on your extremities really from what point down, So

1339
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: it depends on um. So Ideally, if you are able

1340
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 1: to look at the wound, you put the tourniquit two

1341
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 1: to three inches above it UM. But in like say

1342
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: a combat situation or a police officer was shot or um,

1343
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 1: somebody has closed on you can't tell. You put the

1344
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: tournique on as high up as you can to the

1345
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 1: junctional area all the way up to growing all the

1346
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: way to the shoulder basically, or to the junction of

1347
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 1: the shoulder. Tighten that one down and then expose the limb,

1348
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: and then you see where the wound is, and then

1349
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 1: put one two above it and you can loosen that

1350
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: top and you're not kissing that extremity goodbye when you

1351
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: turn to get it. No, sir. So even if you

1352
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 1: had a finger completely cut off or something, they had

1353
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: complete blood flow cut off. Six hours is when we're

1354
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 1: starting to worry about limbs schemia or lack of lack

1355
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 1: of auction to that tissue causing that tissue to die.

1356
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 1: Would you ever turn to get a finger? We do

1357
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: that all the time, um in the emergency department to

1358
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: temporarily to get a bloodless field to be able to

1359
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 1: sew up somebody's finger. You know, they cut it with

1360
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: a knife, and it's just because there's arteries that run

1361
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 1: on either side or your finger on um like where

1362
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 1: your fingers touch. And so what did I say. It

1363
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: saw a guy the other day, he's a he's a

1364
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 1: tree trimmer and he hit it with his chainsaw and

1365
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 1: so his artery was bleeding like stink, and so we

1366
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,600
Speaker 1: had to put a tourniquet. We injected it with some

1367
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: lie to king with epinephrin, which that's a myth. You

1368
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: can't do that. Hand surgeon do it all the time.

1369
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 1: And we put a tourniquet on it. What do you use? Yeah, yeah,

1370
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 1: we use like a um, a vessel loop, which it's

1371
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: kind of thinner. You probably shouldn't use it so thin,

1372
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 1: but we had it on there for five minutes or

1373
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: something like that, but we can use. You tend to

1374
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: want to use. If you're using an impromptu tourniquet, um,

1375
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: you want them to be like at least an inch

1376
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 1: and a half wide. You don't want something super thin

1377
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 1: um because you can for a finger. Yeah. Room having

1378
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 1: these kind of conversations, I need to cross my arms.

1379
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 1: Why defensive posture? You're like you're processing up, you get

1380
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 1: nervous about you don't seem like somebody you handle bloody,

1381
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: bloody things all the time. I know, but talking about

1382
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 1: people being real bad injuries, yeah, makes you want to

1383
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: cross my arms because it Maybe it's because you feel vulnerable.

1384
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I similarly cringe, like I

1385
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 1: was saying, people with chainsaws that's a very common injury.

1386
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: We see people either there arbors or you know, a

1387
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 1: lot of this like popularization of hinge cutting and things

1388
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 1: like that. And I'll tell you it's the only manual

1389
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 1: I've ever read front to back is the chainsaw Manual,

1390
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:20,560
Speaker 1: because it's they're powerful tools, for sure. I mean, the

1391
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 1: popularity of hinge cutting, it's like a thing. So like

1392
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 1: my it's like a fan, it's a it's a thing.

1393
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 1: So asked Mark Kenyon about it. It's so people guys. Yeah,

1394
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: I thought you meant using a hinge when he fell

1395
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 1: a treat guys out in the woods hinge cutting trees. Yeah, exactly,

1396
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: you bring in brows I meant fellers. No, no, no, no, no,

1397
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: you're bringing browsers like fellas, but fellers like tree fellers. Yeah.

1398
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 1: And I don't know what it is about chainsaws, but

1399
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where I feel like the

1400
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,560
Speaker 1: less you use them, the more confident you are with it.

1401
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 1: You know, like people that use them are just like

1402
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 1: there's a varying degree of safety with them. And I

1403
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: don't think they didn't read the manu. Oh I'm very

1404
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 1: free wheeling with the chainsaw, but you know how to

1405
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 1: use it though. I'm very free wheeling too much, so

1406
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 1: oh buddy. Yeah, one time taking chainsaw and stick it

1407
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: right in to the toe of my shoe, right through

1408
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 1: the leather, cut through the sole and stop just shy

1409
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: on my toe and I had to run around with

1410
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 1: the gash in my boots. Last time I saw used

1411
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 1: when you had flip flops on. When we're grabbing those

1412
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:32,839
Speaker 1: cottonwood stumps. I tell you, um, the battery operated chainsaw.

1413
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: That thing scares me because it's so much so toy like.

1414
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:44,719
Speaker 1: It's like it's quiet, so how could it hurt me? Yeah,

1415
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 1: And every time I grabbed that thing, I'm like, now,

1416
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: remember it's a real chainsaw, and you watch that thing

1417
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 1: ripped through would you know? It's just like, my god,

1418
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 1: it's only a matter of time. I've turned over a

1419
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 1: new leaf. The last time I was wheeled to chainsaw,

1420
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:06,679
Speaker 1: which is a couple of weekends ago. Chaps, Yeah, for sure,

1421
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: big boots. I didn't have my iron toe boots on,

1422
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: but I had big boots on. Chaps, big boots. The

1423
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: steel helmet, yeah, with the drop down face mask. My

1424
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 1: dad got me that for crystal snow in real hard

1425
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 1: and you lift the face mask up and you collect

1426
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 1: the wet snow, you put the face mask down. And

1427
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 1: it was less than ideal, but it just took a

1428
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: little more maintenance. Took a couple of rabs to find

1429
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: your cut again. I was full on, was full on,

1430
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: and I've turned over a new leaf. But we used

1431
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 1: to speak in the old days. We were cavalier with chainsaws.

1432
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 1: Now you've ever heard our favorite, uh my personal favorite

1433
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 1: chainsaw story from Doug during his dad do We tell

1434
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 1: a story all the time, but I try to tell

1435
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:51,839
Speaker 1: a short version. It's like Doug durn his dad gasses

1436
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 1: stern him with the chainsaw, and like he goes and

1437
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 1: drives down and gets rescued and goes to the hospital

1438
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 1: and stuff. And a while later, like he'd left his

1439
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: all his stuff out in the woods. And a while

1440
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 1: later do it goes out to retrieve his old man's

1441
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: stuff and there's some old homelight chainsaw, and he said

1442
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 1: that jains house is laying on the forest floor. What's

1443
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: like it was possessed by a demon sharp and he's

1444
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 1: taking care of the motor. Right to take care of

1445
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:30,640
Speaker 1: that motor. It's probably twenty years old, dude. It is

1446
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 1: the greatest story I feel like you told it on

1447
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: this show. Okay, so let's get back to tourniquets. What

1448
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 1: do you use for tourniquets? So we use UM. So

1449
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 1: if it's for a finger, you can do something like

1450
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: a vessel loop or like basically paracord. I would not

1451
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 1: use that because it's tooth thin. So um it's too thin.

1452
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 1: Because for a finger, you could use that temporarily, you know,

1453
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 1: it's all like temporary stuff. Um, but for like an

1454
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 1: actual extremity wound, we would use something like the CAT

1455
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 1: seven or the sam x T. There's like there's like

1456
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 1: what about stuff just the person's got laying around, so

1457
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 1: you could use um cool, No, you could. You could

1458
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: definitely make an impromptu tourniquet like you know. On Kl's

1459
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: podcast they talked about the guy from British Columbia who

1460
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 1: got mauled by a grizzly and ripped his own shirt

1461
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 1: limb off. Tie that around so basically tie it around

1462
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 1: your limb and then tie like a half like you're

1463
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 1: tying your shoe, and then put a stick in there,

1464
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 1: tie a knot on top of that, and then twist

1465
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 1: the stick around and then you tie the stick down

1466
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 1: so it doesn't move. Um, you could do that, and

1467
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: it's okay to do this. You could do that. So

1468
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 1: if I'm bleeding like holy hell out of my finger

1469
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 1: and I want to slow it down to bandage it,

1470
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: I can just wrap something around my finger to base

1471
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: your finger yet and start tightening it until the like

1472
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: grant crank crank crank crank, blood stops and I'm not

1473
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:54,679
Speaker 1: doing irreparable harm to myself, not until about six hours. Yeah. Yeah,

1474
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 1: it's important to know this isn't a fix. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

1475
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 1: it's the temper situation. Then keep hunting all Yeah, it

1476
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: has some blood for days, turning a little green though

1477
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 1: purple like this new shade. I had no idea you

1478
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 1: could do this. Yeah. So and again to temphasize it's

1479
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 1: a temporary thing. I mean, if you have a an

1480
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 1: arterial injury or a deep enough laceration, you should seek

1481
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 1: medical care, you know, to have it evaluated. You know

1482
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: whether or not it's it actually needs stitches or not,

1483
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 1: or it needs something more. Like you cut your artery,

1484
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna need to see hand surgeon because the nerves

1485
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 1: and arteries tend to run right next to each other.

1486
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:36,600
Speaker 1: So if you cut your index finger nerve. I mean

1487
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 1: that's a real fine area of you know, sensation for

1488
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 1: typing and handling stuff. You know, you don't want to

1489
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 1: have a nerve injury if you don't need it, So

1490
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 1: you got to see a hand surgeon eventually. What's your

1491
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: take on carrying combat gause. I used to carry it,

1492
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 1: and I carried it without knowing how one uses it. No,

1493
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 1: like quick clot, sure, yeah, quick clot it's about the

1494
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 1: same stuff. Yeah, it's like all all impregnated gauze with

1495
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 1: something to help clot blood. Well, I carried it for years.

1496
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 1: Then I realized that it was rock hard inside there,

1497
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 1: like it wasn't good anymore anyway, and I threw it out.

1498
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: And then I learned that I didn't know how to

1499
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,560
Speaker 1: use it anyway, because I thought you held it on

1500
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 1: top of the wound. And then someone sent us a video.

1501
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 1: You need to pack that stuff into the wound channel.

1502
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 1: It depends what kind of wound, right, So there's varying kinds.

1503
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: There's surface wounds, um, and there's you know, puncture wounds,

1504
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:32,679
Speaker 1: are deep wounds are cavitating wounds. So a bullet wound

1505
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 1: will cavitate, right. Cavitate means creative what means on a

1506
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 1: boat engine? Yeah, I actually I had no idea what

1507
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 1: that means. Cavitation plate, I don't know, to prevent it

1508
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 1: from sinking down, probably, Yeah, well they got a jet.

1509
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 1: Cavitation becomes a because you don't want to air like

1510
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:52,240
Speaker 1: there's an intake and you wanted to intake exposed to

1511
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:55,799
Speaker 1: undisturbed water. So people are very careful about the position,

1512
01:20:55,880 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 1: like the position of the cavitation plate relative to the

1513
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 1: bullet hole and learning about all this right now, anything

1514
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 1: but an expert. But I've been using the word cavitation

1515
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 1: more than normal. It's good normal being none unless you're

1516
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 1: talking about the hunt for red October. Yeah. I believe

1517
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 1: the word cavitations and there they're talking about it in

1518
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:19,680
Speaker 1: a fair bit, but I'm still not able to use

1519
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 1: it with any sort of confidence. So bullet wounds have both, uh,

1520
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 1: you know, there's a realized track and there's also a

1521
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 1: temporary track that's created by the pressure of the wound,

1522
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,799
Speaker 1: and so you can have um nerve and artery damage

1523
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:36,639
Speaker 1: from that pressure as a bullet goes through the hydrostatic shock. Correct, Yeah,

1524
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 1: absolutely so, um a part of that, you know, you

1525
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 1: get some you can get some cavitation of tissue where

1526
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 1: you have tissue blown out or um so it's a hole.

1527
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 1: And so in a situation like that, putting some of

1528
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 1: those UH clotting agents in there into the hole to

1529
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 1: fill the hole and put pressure on the veins and arteries.

1530
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:57,759
Speaker 1: Not only that, but also helping promote the coagulation cascade

1531
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 1: that happens in your body naturally. That's how they work. UM.

1532
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 1: But we do see, you know, we'll see UM people

1533
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: who have superficial wound sometimes that require say they're on

1534
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 1: a blood thinner, which it's more and more common now days.

1535
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 1: People have um abnormal heart rhythms, they have history of

1536
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 1: blood clots, and they're on a blood thinner and they

1537
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 1: have a wound that just will not stop bleeding. It's

1538
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 1: it's really UM, it's really frustrating for not only the

1539
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 1: patient the provider to to try and get to stop.

1540
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 1: We'll put some of that stuff on there and just

1541
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 1: put a gentle pressure wrapping on it and then it

1542
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 1: will will cloud off usually so you can use it

1543
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: in a superficient way. But you're in your application. If

1544
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 1: you had a stab wound or something like that, you're

1545
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 1: gonna try and pack some of that stuff in there. Yeah,

1546
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 1: what does a item a med item, a med kit

1547
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 1: item that you find uh, that people don't have with

1548
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 1: them but should And is there stuff people have but

1549
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 1: shouldn't and what is an appropriate kit? So Brodie and

1550
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 1: I were talking about sair day by and Large, um,

1551
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 1: the kits that people will buy it like ARII or whatever,

1552
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, buy him at Meyer or whatever they're keeping

1553
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 1: in my car, going to Amazon, type in medical kit,

1554
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:11,599
Speaker 1: yeah and throw that in your crime like sweet, you've

1555
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 1: got so Yeah, so you're gonna spend all this time

1556
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:17,759
Speaker 1: and people if you feel secure if you have that equipment.

1557
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 1: So the best medical equipment that you can have is

1558
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 1: the medical kit you can have, is the one that

1559
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 1: you have with you. Because if you have a nice,

1560
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: sweetass kit but it's in your basement, doesn't really matter

1561
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 1: if you're having the ship at the fan in the

1562
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 1: laundry room somewhere. Yeah, yeah, buy and large. A lot

1563
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 1: of those kids are just band aids and like a

1564
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 1: pair of scissords and some tape and you know, gloves

1565
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 1: and whatnot. But you can make your own medical kit

1566
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 1: um with that same stuff for far less money and

1567
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: have it tailored to your needs. So the thing I

1568
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:49,440
Speaker 1: would say, if you're involved in any kind of firearm

1569
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 1: or outdoor adventuring situation, I think a turni kid is

1570
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 1: something a lot of people do not have. Le store

1571
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 1: bought tourniquet, correct, yep. I think that that's very important

1572
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 1: because the most likely thing that's gonna happen to you is,

1573
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:04,640
Speaker 1: you know, well, the most likely thing is you' either

1574
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 1: gonna get diarrhea or roll your ankle or both when

1575
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 1: you're camping or hiking or whatever. But on the off

1576
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 1: chance it's something super bad happens to you and you

1577
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 1: have an extremity injury, having a tourniquet can be a

1578
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: life saving what's the tourniquet? What's the store about? Tourniquet?

1579
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: Wind up looking like um small, No, yeah, we got

1580
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 1: some out in the grab them. We got some, had

1581
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 1: a bunch of them. Yeah, what a thinking about that? Johnnie?

1582
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 1: Should Brodie grab that tourniquet? Yeah, another great reason to

1583
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 1: buy an ONEX membership? Oh no, that's not it. Yeah.

1584
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 1: Uh So I was like, yeah, I don't need a tourniquet,

1585
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: but the a store bought tourniquet right, Because all you

1586
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: were ever taught was like how to make a tourniquet,

1587
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 1: how to improvise a splant, how to improvise a tourniquet.

1588
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:55,559
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, just just in the lobby of our

1589
01:24:55,640 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 1: office here, I was like, you know, having that at

1590
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:05,680
Speaker 1: pre made specialized. This is all it does, is a

1591
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:10,679
Speaker 1: tourniquet saves you a lot of thinking time. Here's Brody

1592
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 1: now with the tourniquet. Looks like something you use the

1593
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 1: strap your canoe down to the top of a car.

1594
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 1: So there's there's a variety for kinds. There's about seven

1595
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 1: of them that are approved by the um T Triple C,

1596
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 1: which is the Tactical Combat Casualty Care Organization, which is

1597
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: a government organization that approves these things. And you can

1598
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:33,720
Speaker 1: buy one for the problem let me tell you right now,

1599
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:35,599
Speaker 1: go on. But the problem with that is it's too

1600
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 1: big and most guys aren't gonna carry it. Yeah, I mean,

1601
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna start prevention. Is I think a real

1602
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 1: important thing that we um It looks like it looks

1603
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 1: like you're carrying a belt around with a stick tied

1604
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, he's turn a kid in cal I'm

1605
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: cal well, I just hope this thing can hold up

1606
01:25:56,520 --> 01:26:00,160
Speaker 1: these beefy arms. Biceps are pretty large, so cal was

1607
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 1: gord by god By out. So the main the main,

1608
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 1: one of the main causes of turning kits failure is

1609
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 1: that they don't get pulled tight enough initially, and you

1610
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 1: try and pull this windless around. It's kind of like

1611
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 1: putting your good word choice, trying to put your scope

1612
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 1: on and then doing the fine tune. If you put

1613
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 1: your scope on, all cock eyed on your barrel, the newing,

1614
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 1: all the fine tune in the world's not gonna fix it, right,

1615
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:28,680
Speaker 1: So you're putting this on. Sorry, yo oh, I just

1616
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 1: don't hurt yourself. Doc crank got thing until his hand

1617
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:37,559
Speaker 1: turns purple. Ah, So it's supposed to click, but I'm

1618
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 1: not getting enough. I think this science it worked. That

1619
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 1: was good, good, good observation. And then you twist this

1620
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 1: windless around and it will stop the bleeding. But usually

1621
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:50,839
Speaker 1: these will click that windless down his clothes are twisted.

1622
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 1: Has got a leg that big around, a leg that

1623
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 1: big around? Or are there are some big folks out there? Yeah, dude,

1624
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 1: yeah for sure. Yeah, but they're not gonna be backpacking.

1625
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 1: So these that yeah, for sure, you're you're right about that.

1626
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 1: They're just like extraordinarily powerful. So those will you could fit.

1627
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 1: You could turn to get my my head, chest area.

1628
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 1: You can turn to get me around the armpits of

1629
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 1: this turns not advisable. Yeah, yeah, you don't turn it

1630
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 1: get neck wounds, neck wounds, junctional areas don't work. No,

1631
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 1: you don't want to do that. But what we learned

1632
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:25,600
Speaker 1: this morning, right is like a huge part of this

1633
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 1: like triple C deal coming on is mass casualty events. Right,

1634
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 1: So you've got a big variety of folks in a

1635
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:36,640
Speaker 1: random spot so the way, So I'm sorry, but this

1636
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:39,560
Speaker 1: thing still doesn't make many sense to me, so it

1637
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:45,680
Speaker 1: should be said, I think, um, no, no, do my arm.

1638
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 1: I can only learn when something that's uh like you know,

1639
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 1: so I think of a good injury for me, call

1640
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:56,879
Speaker 1: what happened to me? Brody is working on your forearm.

1641
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 1: So this is your classic chainsaw injury. Right, Or if

1642
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 1: we get the video working, people will be able to

1643
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:06,680
Speaker 1: get to check this out. Turning gets turniquets hurt is

1644
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:11,720
Speaker 1: one thing us not cut that bad. That's how when

1645
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: does that little cranker come into play? Then now you

1646
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 1: do it once that's as tight as you get it.

1647
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 1: Then you crank it down, give me one like a

1648
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 1: portion of a crank, because on the windlass there and

1649
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:26,640
Speaker 1: this the windlass, you're you're cranking that thing until you

1650
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,600
Speaker 1: see the blood and just put it hook it in now.

1651
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:31,640
Speaker 1: Then how's the anchor the windlass in right there? If

1652
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 1: we're talking about yep, just like that, yep, perfect, yeah,

1653
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 1: and you can crank that windlass down way tighter and

1654
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 1: usually but you're cranking the windlass until you see the

1655
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 1: blood flow slow or stop. I want to throw one

1656
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 1: of these ons someone who's bleeding so bad. It's very

1657
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,760
Speaker 1: satisfying to help save somebody's life with some one of those. Yeah,

1658
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 1: for sure. So we just said there you oh that

1659
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 1: one click. That's why I didn't because it was I

1660
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 1: think it was. It was clicked. That's why I didn't

1661
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 1: go because I want to do it to someone. So

1662
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 1: I should say, you know, you know, anyone run around

1663
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 1: with firearms out in the woods, you feel should have

1664
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 1: one of these, correct? Yep. I bought them for my

1665
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 1: hunting group as a you know, every year we get

1666
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 1: each other presence of some variety. It's can be commemorative

1667
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:15,599
Speaker 1: knives or whatever. You know, a nice bottle of guys

1668
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 1: are all jabbing arrows through their legs and stuff. Yeah,

1669
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 1: I mean, certainly any kind of penetrating wound. I think

1670
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 1: you should if you can be exposed. That all right,

1671
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm switching over. I'm gonna start carrying one. I like it.

1672
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 1: So we did the Stop the Bleed course today, which

1673
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:31,040
Speaker 1: is a course that UM was created by the American

1674
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 1: College of Surgeons after the New Newtown, Connecticut shooting UM

1675
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 1: at Sandy Hook Elementary and so basically the surgeons in

1676
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 1: Connecticut where the trauma surgeon said, look, we need to

1677
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 1: do something about this. How are we gonna do public

1678
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 1: outreach and prevent loss of life prehospital? And so they met,

1679
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 1: they put out four papers and they created this Stop

1680
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:54,719
Speaker 1: the Bleed campaign where anybody UM who had some degree

1681
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: of like medical background, anybody from a respiratory therapist to

1682
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:02,760
Speaker 1: a dentist to a chirop actor, doctor, nurse, e MT lifeguard,

1683
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 1: SKI patrol can get certified as an instructor and then

1684
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 1: you can teach people how to apply you know, direct

1685
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 1: pressure to stem massive bleeding and apply tourniquets. This is

1686
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 1: all in an effort to mobilize our first responder base

1687
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 1: to basically the lay public. So if a shooting happens

1688
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 1: like or like for instance, of bombing happens like marathon,

1689
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 1: Boston marathon. So this that happened. I can't remember what

1690
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:31,520
Speaker 1: year that happened, but they saw the effects of bystanders

1691
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 1: applying tourniquets and saving lives. And those people were not

1692
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 1: using they were using belts and improvised tournicates and they

1693
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,800
Speaker 1: were not perfectly placed, but they still stem the bleeding

1694
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 1: and those people whore whisked off to trauma centers right nearby.

1695
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 1: But in the so there's a big movement to mobilize

1696
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:49,600
Speaker 1: the public, just like for CPR teaching people how to

1697
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:52,639
Speaker 1: use a E d S, how to do um massive

1698
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 1: hemorrhage control. And unfortunately, you know, this is the world

1699
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 1: we live in and it's uh, it's a scary reality.

1700
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 1: But you know, like parents, they had to do the

1701
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 1: duck and cover thing for the Cold War, right, they

1702
01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: were gonna duck under the desks if there was gonna

1703
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 1: be a nuclear school desk for sure, which would not work.

1704
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:11,720
Speaker 1: But you know this is no You've got to make

1705
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:19,600
Speaker 1: like the red down kids and mule. So that is

1706
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 1: a uh and I'm not I'm not paid by them

1707
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:23,560
Speaker 1: at all. But that's a Sam x T And I

1708
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 1: remember Sam company, they UM when we would do a

1709
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 1: wilderness medicine training in UM in medical school and college.

1710
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:34,880
Speaker 1: You know, I would write them and say, hey, could

1711
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 1: you guys give me some some splints, and you know,

1712
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 1: we're a bunch of poor med students with a lot

1713
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:41,600
Speaker 1: of debt, and they would send me some stuff for

1714
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 1: for them and so, uh, you know, there's a variety

1715
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 1: of different choices and I think people should explore them.

1716
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 1: But it's definitely different than same like Sam, which is

1717
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 1: something you also say you should be carrying in your kid. Yep,

1718
01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:00,360
Speaker 1: I can't get it open? Is that just that'll just click?

1719
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:03,560
Speaker 1: So here it'll here. There's not a single use, is it.

1720
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no, Brody can't get it

1721
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:09,920
Speaker 1: open here? It doesn't click here. I got it anyway,

1722
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 1: you said, uh, Sam splint, we should be carrying those around.

1723
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 1: And there's a there's another one that's more commonly carried

1724
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 1: now because they were like one of the So it'll

1725
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:21,200
Speaker 1: click like that. So that's and then you just lift

1726
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 1: it up like that. So it's it's the pressure created

1727
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 1: on that that makes it and you just lift it

1728
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 1: up like that. So, um, the cats seven, which is

1729
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 1: they have seven generations of them. Those are the ones

1730
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 1: I think primarily are used in uh combat medicine and

1731
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:38,680
Speaker 1: and also like police officers and stuff will carry those.

1732
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 1: But I think these are probably gonna be more popularized.

1733
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:45,120
Speaker 1: So part of the courses, you have a model with

1734
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:47,639
Speaker 1: like a it's like a fake thigh with a big

1735
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 1: gash in it and a bullet wound, and you can

1736
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:50,640
Speaker 1: practice on that and then once you do it a

1737
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 1: couple of times, then you're you're good to go. I mean,

1738
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 1: it's it's like learning. It's much more simple than CPR

1739
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:59,639
Speaker 1: for sure. Um, it's kind of funny the fake thigh

1740
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 1: with the wounds in it. You jam your fingers in

1741
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 1: those wounds. And Brody and I were sitting next to

1742
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 1: each other and I'm like, yeah, that is we know

1743
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:14,240
Speaker 1: that feeling fishing around for bullet or something, you know, Yeah,

1744
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 1: that's trauma flesh feel. Yeah. What else? So I think

1745
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 1: something like a SAM splint, because muscle sclet injuries are

1746
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 1: very common. Splint splint, Yeah, So they have these malleable

1747
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:27,680
Speaker 1: splints that made of they're basically aluminum that has a

1748
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 1: little bit of patting on it, and the guy that

1749
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:32,360
Speaker 1: invented them, UM was a trauma surgeon from Vietnam and

1750
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 1: he specialized in orthopedics. When he came back and Um,

1751
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 1: I was playing with this is a connection juicy fruit

1752
01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 1: wrapper and was folding the foil and decided that if

1753
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 1: you fold it number of ways that it's more stiff.

1754
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 1: And so that's how he created these and we see

1755
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 1: those coming all the time. There's there's knockoff versions, but

1756
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they made the first one. UM. But

1757
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 1: I feel like, here's what you're running. The risk of

1758
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 1: people are going to carry a splint. So you guys

1759
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 1: do the up a hunting that you guys do. You're

1760
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:04,559
Speaker 1: you're going from what I see. I mean, you guys move,

1761
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:07,479
Speaker 1: You cover a lot of ground and you move far.

1762
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:11,759
Speaker 1: You don't generally have like big horse broad in camps

1763
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 1: right like, but people that are running operations where you're

1764
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 1: horsing in people in gear. Like having a medical kit.

1765
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 1: The size of a toolbox is not unreasonable to have

1766
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:23,720
Speaker 1: some of that stuff in it, and a lot of

1767
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 1: this stuff is pretty lightweight for the benefit and in

1768
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:28,720
Speaker 1: any medical kit, you want multiple use items in it.

1769
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:30,720
Speaker 1: You don't just want a one off other than something

1770
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 1: like a turning kid is a is a one off

1771
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:37,440
Speaker 1: valuable thing, you know, um, having things like some hypodermic

1772
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:39,679
Speaker 1: needles you can dig splinters out of your finger, having

1773
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 1: appropriate medications. I think you know, I was talking to

1774
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 1: Brody about this. You have a pill box and you

1775
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 1: label it um aspirin, a seed of menifen, slash tile

1776
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:52,800
Speaker 1: and all ibprof and slash motor in emodium for diarrhea,

1777
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 1: and then zoe fran which is on dancer tron, which

1778
01:34:56,040 --> 01:35:00,679
Speaker 1: is for vomiting. You know, so a curious single serving

1779
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 1: to tablet twin tablet bene drules too. Yep, that's not

1780
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:06,640
Speaker 1: unreasonable too. So the pharmacology that you really need to

1781
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 1: have with you is is a lot of it's over

1782
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:10,160
Speaker 1: the counter, and it's it's pretty easy. You can get

1783
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 1: really great pain control with doing alternating Thailand a motor

1784
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:16,639
Speaker 1: And then people don't really realize or can you explain,

1785
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 1: because you explain that to us yesterday why you carry

1786
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 1: thailand all and and so and so for everybody that's

1787
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:28,280
Speaker 1: listening to All medications have trade names. Thailand also trade

1788
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:30,360
Speaker 1: name A seed a menifin is the generic name, and

1789
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 1: it's me and my experience personally, I just buy the

1790
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:36,680
Speaker 1: generic Meyer brand, so seen a menefit is tail And

1791
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:40,640
Speaker 1: also when you alternate them, you're supposed to take them. Uh.

1792
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:42,799
Speaker 1: The's supposed to take a seat an in every six hours,

1793
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 1: and you're supposed to take between five grams um. Sometimes

1794
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 1: you can take a thousand milligrams, but you want to

1795
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 1: stay below four thousand milligrams a day otherwise you can

1796
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:53,800
Speaker 1: hurt your liver. So a lot of people will take

1797
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:56,599
Speaker 1: medications and then all of a sudden, an hour five

1798
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:59,759
Speaker 1: or six, their tooth is throbbing again. They feel awful,

1799
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 1: They're like it takes a while for the new medication

1800
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 1: to set back. In in between that, what you could

1801
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:06,639
Speaker 1: do is you could take a different medicine that works

1802
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 1: in a different way. So tailing all works at the

1803
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 1: central level of your brain to reduce pain and fever,

1804
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 1: and ibprofen is a nonsteroidal anti inflammatory that helps work

1805
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:20,479
Speaker 1: at the site to prevent um swelling pain inflammation. So

1806
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 1: you're using two different meds that were two different mechanisms

1807
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:26,320
Speaker 1: of action to help control your pain. So if you

1808
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 1: had somebody in your your party who you guys are

1809
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 1: eight miles out and they broke their ankle. Getting them

1810
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 1: good pain control can turn that situation from You can

1811
01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 1: extract yourself, put a splint on, You can hobble out

1812
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:41,760
Speaker 1: with a with a crutch, versus we got to carry

1813
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:43,880
Speaker 1: you out because we can't get good pain control. And

1814
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:46,479
Speaker 1: when you have to carry somebody out, which I've never

1815
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:49,559
Speaker 1: had to physically do on a wilderness trip, but I've

1816
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 1: done in my training, it is an arduous ordeal and

1817
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 1: it puts the whole party at risk to have to

1818
01:36:55,439 --> 01:37:00,680
Speaker 1: hock somebody out very very difficult. Deadweight is horrible left

1819
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 1: carry around. I mean you guys know all that, like

1820
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 1: putting a backpack, pulling Brodier lawn for years now. Yeah,

1821
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:11,600
Speaker 1: not dede animal wise, let's talking about what you know

1822
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:14,200
Speaker 1: what a cam strap is like an NRS strap? Do

1823
01:37:14,360 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 1: not mhmm boat strap? Bolt strap? Like just so like

1824
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:23,439
Speaker 1: a like a hitch like a like um it's a yeah,

1825
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:27,639
Speaker 1: it's very similar to this where the buckle has teeth

1826
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 1: that allow that strap to slide primarily one direction. It

1827
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 1: rides on a spring. Is it like one of those

1828
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:34,600
Speaker 1: where you go like this like cranks them on my

1829
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:37,599
Speaker 1: top ratch strap? So that's all I know, Ye, cam

1830
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:40,320
Speaker 1: strap is different. That be a good tourniquet depends on

1831
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:44,320
Speaker 1: why it is right. So one and a half is

1832
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:46,320
Speaker 1: probably better than one. But you could crank You could

1833
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:48,719
Speaker 1: crank that down for sure. I mean people make turniquets

1834
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 1: out of belts and shirt sleeves and all sorts of

1835
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:54,880
Speaker 1: found material. But the main goal is to stop the

1836
01:37:55,720 --> 01:38:00,560
Speaker 1: the arterial flow to that distal injury. So, uh, you

1837
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:04,200
Speaker 1: know what I carry? What do you carry? Well, I'm

1838
01:38:04,240 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 1: telling you, but I'm also checking with you. Yeah, I

1839
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 1: do the talent all. I'll be profen buy a single

1840
01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 1: serving those little square foil packets with two pills each.

1841
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 1: I use our organizer, back country organizer, and it's got

1842
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:22,120
Speaker 1: a pocket that it was almost like made for this.

1843
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 1: I put a bunch of talent alls in there, a

1844
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:29,280
Speaker 1: bunch of IV profans in there. As far as I know,

1845
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 1: they don't make Amoti mayde in those packets, but I

1846
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:34,880
Speaker 1: buy the push packets of Amoti made, which is nice.

1847
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:36,680
Speaker 1: We were talking about this yesterday. It's nice to have

1848
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:38,720
Speaker 1: the label on there, the dose, so you know what

1849
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:40,920
Speaker 1: you're doing. Yeah. The ideal ones are the kind where

1850
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:43,120
Speaker 1: when you tear the square off, it carries the information

1851
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:44,880
Speaker 1: on it because a lot of times I'll look in

1852
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:46,800
Speaker 1: it and I don't know what I got his hand

1853
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 1: and stuff out. Yeah, so emoti made and then I

1854
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 1: carry benetrylcuse I'm always afraid of someone getting allergic reaction,

1855
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:56,679
Speaker 1: some kind of reaction. Yeah, you feel like I should

1856
01:38:56,680 --> 01:39:00,800
Speaker 1: add in some zoo fran. I would for puking, because

1857
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:05,280
Speaker 1: I have been UM. All of my experiences with that

1858
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:07,200
Speaker 1: have not been actually in the field. They've been pre

1859
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:12,599
Speaker 1: being in the field. And UM, having die real illness

1860
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 1: so bad that you can't feel like you you can't

1861
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:17,800
Speaker 1: walk because you're so weak is a profound experience that

1862
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:20,400
Speaker 1: it feels awful. UM. And so if you have some

1863
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:23,040
Speaker 1: ammodium or you have some antibiotics that you might you know,

1864
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:25,000
Speaker 1: get your doctor to prescribe to you ahead of time.

1865
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 1: Like if you guys are going to hunt in South America,

1866
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:31,880
Speaker 1: I would say, Hey, write me a script for uh

1867
01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:34,600
Speaker 1: catholex in case I get a bad skin injury, like

1868
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:38,880
Speaker 1: an infection, and like some either augmented or back drum

1869
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 1: or or cipro for bad die real illness. Yeah, that's

1870
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:44,320
Speaker 1: the one I usually get. I get it, like when

1871
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 1: you're going to get your vaccines checked your vaccination's check.

1872
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:55,559
Speaker 1: I'll get the travelers diarrhea. Yeah, prescription ahead of time. Yeah,

1873
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:58,640
Speaker 1: the only anticipation of so, the only thing, the only

1874
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:00,560
Speaker 1: thing with that. So and I remember this is not

1875
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:02,679
Speaker 1: it's not a wilderness thing. But we were traveling after

1876
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:05,200
Speaker 1: medical school. We were in Egypt and it was like

1877
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:07,360
Speaker 1: a group trip that we went together and it was fun.

1878
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:10,000
Speaker 1: And we all ate in Cairo at this like beautiful

1879
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:12,040
Speaker 1: place and we're looking out over this huge park and

1880
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:15,040
Speaker 1: we decided to have some appetizers, had some tabuli. You're

1881
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:17,519
Speaker 1: not supposed to eat like the fresh stuff, only supposed

1882
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:19,960
Speaker 1: to eat the cook stuff because it basically the water

1883
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:23,479
Speaker 1: has feces in it in certain areas or you know,

1884
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:26,799
Speaker 1: in in different parts of the world. Uh, the sanitation

1885
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:28,400
Speaker 1: is not quite the same, or you're just not used

1886
01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:30,280
Speaker 1: to that kind of bacteria like India or whatever. I

1887
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:33,639
Speaker 1: probably get diarrhea immediately, and like six of us were

1888
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:36,880
Speaker 1: just crapping our brains out, and um, I was the

1889
01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:38,360
Speaker 1: only one that had the cippro. So I had people

1890
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:40,439
Speaker 1: like knocking on my door in the middle of night, like, hey,

1891
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:44,759
Speaker 1: could you and the real dirty kid in your groups

1892
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:48,599
Speaker 1: doing just fine? Yeah? Exactly. We had our kids looking

1893
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:50,240
Speaker 1: the floor at the airport on the way here. It's

1894
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 1: a great way to prevent illness. Um, but the cip

1895
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:57,240
Speaker 1: road so it changes, so the bacterial resistance patterns change,

1896
01:40:57,280 --> 01:41:00,080
Speaker 1: and and also side effect profile or it's different. So

1897
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:02,479
Speaker 1: with cipro, one of the things, it's a low rate.

1898
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:04,560
Speaker 1: It's like less than one percent. You can have a

1899
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:07,559
Speaker 1: tendonopathy that develops after taking even a short course where

1900
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:11,479
Speaker 1: you can rupture your achilles heel, which for something like yeah,

1901
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:15,960
Speaker 1: it's really messed. Yeah. So it's a very effective thing

1902
01:41:16,040 --> 01:41:18,400
Speaker 1: for treating dire illness, but I try and avoid it,

1903
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:22,599
Speaker 1: um unless I absolutely need it for um, for somebody

1904
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:25,559
Speaker 1: who has an allergy to say augmented or backdrum um.

1905
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:29,320
Speaker 1: So I would probably not recommend that at this point,

1906
01:41:29,479 --> 01:41:32,400
Speaker 1: you know, given the amount of activity level you guys

1907
01:41:32,479 --> 01:41:34,320
Speaker 1: do and like, you know, so the thing in medicine

1908
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:36,800
Speaker 1: is that you have studies and you have anecdote, and

1909
01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:40,240
Speaker 1: so anecdote speaks wonders. So I saw like two or

1910
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:42,320
Speaker 1: three cases of it within six months, and I was like,

1911
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 1: oh man, this is it really affects you. You know,

1912
01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:48,040
Speaker 1: when you see enough cases like that, even though it's

1913
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:50,960
Speaker 1: not the preponderance isn't that high, you know, And if

1914
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 1: there's a better alternative, why not without those kinds of

1915
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 1: side effects? Why I try that? Do they use cipro

1916
01:41:56,600 --> 01:42:01,479
Speaker 1: to treat beaver fever? I don't know what so they like?

1917
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:06,679
Speaker 1: And cryptosporidia they use, uh to treat giardia. I believe

1918
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:10,759
Speaker 1: they use metronitis all, which is a different kind of antibotic.

1919
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:14,519
Speaker 1: It works on that particular kind of bacteria. Uh, it's

1920
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:18,479
Speaker 1: a Giardia is a protozoa. M hm. Would they give

1921
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 1: you that just to carry around with you? Depends on

1922
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:23,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not unreasonable to ask your doctor and

1923
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:26,519
Speaker 1: to go and say I'm going here, I'm doing this.

1924
01:42:27,120 --> 01:42:28,840
Speaker 1: What would you recommend? I mean, this is kind of

1925
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:30,760
Speaker 1: a especially in this type of area. And if you

1926
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:33,240
Speaker 1: guys are in Montana or Colorado and they deal with

1927
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:35,760
Speaker 1: hunters that are doing things that you're doing, then they

1928
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,240
Speaker 1: should be familiar with. If you go overseas, they can

1929
01:42:38,280 --> 01:42:40,479
Speaker 1: give you on the CDC website web vaccines you need,

1930
01:42:41,120 --> 01:42:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, so UM, it's not unreasonable to ask ahead

1931
01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:47,920
Speaker 1: of time UM for small prescriptions like that, because you know,

1932
01:42:48,280 --> 01:42:51,320
Speaker 1: like you might not need um. You know, if you

1933
01:42:51,439 --> 01:42:55,360
Speaker 1: had a prescription for uh cephlexin for a skin injury

1934
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:58,800
Speaker 1: or cellulitis that developed. You could start taking that and

1935
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 1: then as you got back out, you know, go see

1936
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:03,439
Speaker 1: your doc and say he'll say keep taking it, or

1937
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:05,720
Speaker 1: this is getting worse. You need different antibotics. You have

1938
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:08,800
Speaker 1: to go to the hospital. So, um, it's kind of

1939
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:11,000
Speaker 1: a bridge. You know. Maybe we didn't even get into

1940
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:14,880
Speaker 1: flesh eating bacteria. It's a rare to come back out. Oh,

1941
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 1: so many, so much we could cover. No one knows this,

1942
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:20,200
Speaker 1: but we're working on we've never even mentioned this. I

1943
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:23,360
Speaker 1: don't want to tell too much. Secret project. We're working

1944
01:43:23,439 --> 01:43:26,920
Speaker 1: on a secret project, top secret. I heard top secret

1945
01:43:26,920 --> 01:43:30,960
Speaker 1: book project and uh, this will give a little bit

1946
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:33,840
Speaker 1: of a hint. Yeah, if you're smart, you can figure

1947
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:36,880
Speaker 1: it out. This top secret book project is divided into

1948
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:44,639
Speaker 1: this top secret project is divided into ten components. One

1949
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:51,320
Speaker 1: of those components, UH Dr Lazara is uh consulting on

1950
01:43:51,479 --> 01:43:54,760
Speaker 1: us with love to help anything I can do. Um,

1951
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:58,439
Speaker 1: we never talked about flesh eating bacteria, which you think

1952
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:00,599
Speaker 1: is just a freak. It's a free Yeah, it's it's

1953
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:04,080
Speaker 1: a scary thing, you know. Um, it's a very rare thing.

1954
01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:06,240
Speaker 1: But we do see it. It's becoming more and more

1955
01:44:06,280 --> 01:44:08,479
Speaker 1: prevalent with the more and more diabetes we see. And

1956
01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:10,640
Speaker 1: the main thing that you worry about is somebody who

1957
01:44:10,640 --> 01:44:12,880
Speaker 1: has like paying out of proportion to a wound that

1958
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 1: looks like the ones I've seen. The guy had an

1959
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:19,840
Speaker 1: innocuous wound on his thigh. It just very clean looking.

1960
01:44:20,280 --> 01:44:21,640
Speaker 1: It was a small puncture moment. I don't even he

1961
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 1: didn't even know how he got it, and he lost

1962
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:26,639
Speaker 1: his entire leg and almost like part of his abdomen um.

1963
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:29,680
Speaker 1: And it's a it's a terrible thing. The bacteria will

1964
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:33,040
Speaker 1: glide along the fascial planes, just like when you're you know,

1965
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 1: processing a deer the long muscle. It will glide along

1966
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:40,439
Speaker 1: the fashial planes and just travel up and down. And

1967
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:44,639
Speaker 1: it's the main The main treatment is operative to breed ment.

1968
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:46,519
Speaker 1: So it's not antibiotics. I mean, we give the antibiotics,

1969
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:47,639
Speaker 1: but they need to go the o R to get

1970
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:49,840
Speaker 1: the limb cut off or the area to breed. It

1971
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:52,800
Speaker 1: didn't cut out. It's it's a scary thing. And so

1972
01:44:53,160 --> 01:44:57,280
Speaker 1: in my profession, we are very focused on risk versus

1973
01:44:57,360 --> 01:44:59,519
Speaker 1: benefit and thinking worst case scenario a lot. And so

1974
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:01,280
Speaker 1: if we see somebody with that, we will call the

1975
01:45:01,320 --> 01:45:02,880
Speaker 1: surgeon and would say I need you to come take

1976
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 1: a look at this guy and give me your opinion.

1977
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:08,519
Speaker 1: What do you think? And um, you know a lot

1978
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:10,160
Speaker 1: of times they'll just take him right to the o R.

1979
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:11,600
Speaker 1: Or we can do a bedside would just do a

1980
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:15,000
Speaker 1: bedside cut. And if like dirty dishwater appearing fluid comes

1981
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:16,880
Speaker 1: out and the tissues like soft, you put your finger

1982
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:20,680
Speaker 1: in there and it's just like fucking pudding, then that's

1983
01:45:20,720 --> 01:45:24,000
Speaker 1: a high chance they have that. That's just beyond reason.

1984
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:28,040
Speaker 1: It feel like if you go in and they're like, okay,

1985
01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:32,679
Speaker 1: something really serious and they take off your entire leg,

1986
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:37,120
Speaker 1: that's where it ends. That's where we're like, reason, Okay, yes, okay,

1987
01:45:37,160 --> 01:45:39,920
Speaker 1: it was very serious. You had to take off my

1988
01:45:40,120 --> 01:45:42,000
Speaker 1: entire leg. But then when you like throw in the

1989
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:44,519
Speaker 1: and part of the abdomen, Yeah, that's like where it

1990
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:50,680
Speaker 1: gets beyond like no, no, like very serious, but it

1991
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:54,280
Speaker 1: moves super quick, super quick, like you know, twenty four

1992
01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:56,800
Speaker 1: hours or less, and you're you're hurting really bad. I mean,

1993
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:59,240
Speaker 1: I think my great with the fascial planes that you

1994
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 1: described as the way when you um shoot a deer,

1995
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:09,240
Speaker 1: the way clodding. We'll travel in those fascial planes well

1996
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:11,000
Speaker 1: also air too, right, so you feel all those air

1997
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:13,160
Speaker 1: bubbles like you know, shoot something in the chest. And

1998
01:46:13,160 --> 01:46:14,599
Speaker 1: then you know you're looking at air bubbles and they're

1999
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:16,720
Speaker 1: like why is there? Like why would I take the

2000
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:19,960
Speaker 1: front shoulder off? Is there like clodding all the way

2001
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:22,320
Speaker 1: up into the neck The way it travels between those things.

2002
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:25,040
Speaker 1: I just think it's because of the massive destruction, like

2003
01:46:25,120 --> 01:46:27,840
Speaker 1: you expose that. The bleeding happens everywhere, and so we'll

2004
01:46:27,880 --> 01:46:31,880
Speaker 1: get sometimes we'll get people to pop along a neumothorax,

2005
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:34,439
Speaker 1: and then you get this thing called subcutaneous emphysema, which

2006
01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:37,479
Speaker 1: is basically air slash feels like rice crispy treats under

2007
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:39,160
Speaker 1: the skin. You can feel it on your deer too,

2008
01:46:39,200 --> 01:46:42,120
Speaker 1: and then you'll feel the deer you'll feel off the

2009
01:46:42,280 --> 01:46:44,479
Speaker 1: neck and towards the face, you'll feel that like kind

2010
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:46,280
Speaker 1: of rice crispy treat And that will happen when people

2011
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:50,000
Speaker 1: puncture along. Yeah. Yeah, it's scary because you know sometimes

2012
01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:52,200
Speaker 1: their face can swell or you know, it makes it

2013
01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:54,360
Speaker 1: difficult to put a tube in to treat it because

2014
01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:56,880
Speaker 1: you know they might be an obese person. They have

2015
01:46:56,960 --> 01:46:58,519
Speaker 1: a lot of fat tissue and then all of this

2016
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:01,000
Speaker 1: Now you're dealing with air and you're like having a

2017
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:03,640
Speaker 1: smush basically smushed their chest like you're pushing on a

2018
01:47:04,040 --> 01:47:07,800
Speaker 1: like a like a bubble rap package to to get

2019
01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:10,160
Speaker 1: down to the chest wall. You know. A guy just

2020
01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:12,920
Speaker 1: rode in. I'm trying to get permission to put this photo.

2021
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:14,439
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll be able to get permission to put it.

2022
01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:16,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it on Instagram, So if you go

2023
01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 1: to at Steven Ranella, you'll find this photo by the

2024
01:47:19,400 --> 01:47:22,200
Speaker 1: time you listen to this, hopefully. He hit a mule

2025
01:47:22,240 --> 01:47:25,000
Speaker 1: here with his bowl. Yeah, I wanted to give it

2026
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:26,800
Speaker 1: a while before he tracked it. And he goes up

2027
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:28,519
Speaker 1: to the top of hilled us a glass around for

2028
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:31,479
Speaker 1: a while and eventually, not far from where he shot,

2029
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:34,439
Speaker 1: glasses up a buck standing next to a tree. Then

2030
01:47:34,439 --> 01:47:36,479
Speaker 1: the more he looked at it, something was weird about it.

2031
01:47:37,479 --> 01:47:39,479
Speaker 1: He'd hit the buck. The buck ran down the hill,

2032
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:45,400
Speaker 1: must have misstepped and impaled itself through the ribs on

2033
01:47:45,800 --> 01:47:49,200
Speaker 1: a broken branch that went in one side and puckered

2034
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:52,960
Speaker 1: the hide out on the other side. Talking about a

2035
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:54,760
Speaker 1: bad way to go, he had to pull it off

2036
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:57,640
Speaker 1: the stop, which is a tree man term for a

2037
01:47:57,720 --> 01:48:00,439
Speaker 1: broken limb. I do not know that are the question

2038
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:01,840
Speaker 1: whether it was a real word or not, but I've

2039
01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:04,080
Speaker 1: come to accept it. Hold it off the stop. And

2040
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 1: he sent us a picture of the deer hanging on

2041
01:48:06,120 --> 01:48:08,839
Speaker 1: the stop, and then the stop with the deer removed,

2042
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:13,360
Speaker 1: and that deer was all the way through it. Yeah,

2043
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:17,720
Speaker 1: pucker now at the hide. Yeah, that's a that's a

2044
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:20,880
Speaker 1: sad way to go for any creature. Unfortunately, as a

2045
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:23,040
Speaker 1: last thing, you don't have to come back because we

2046
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:25,400
Speaker 1: didn't even scratch the surface. Well, I don't think like

2047
01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:27,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't very I wasn't like a very good host

2048
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:30,720
Speaker 1: because I didn't I wasn't very efficient. You guys are,

2049
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:33,960
Speaker 1: I mean you didn't ever ever did a class and

2050
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:36,280
Speaker 1: hosting because you guys all do a pretty darn good job,

2051
01:48:36,360 --> 01:48:38,519
Speaker 1: I think because school hard knocks man. Well, I mean,

2052
01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:42,720
Speaker 1: you know, conversation can be can be complicated, sometimes a

2053
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:44,280
Speaker 1: lot of dead There's not a lot of dead space

2054
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:46,600
Speaker 1: on your podcast, for sure. I try to do a

2055
01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:48,439
Speaker 1: good hosting job, but I didn't get to my I

2056
01:48:48,479 --> 01:48:50,120
Speaker 1: didn't like get to everything I wanted to get to,

2057
01:48:50,439 --> 01:48:52,880
Speaker 1: missing your honest this guidance, I know, Ni, what do

2058
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:58,599
Speaker 1: you think about that Annie, which is what he's out

2059
01:48:58,640 --> 01:49:03,000
Speaker 1: there doing right now? Yeah? So can you get out

2060
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:04,439
Speaker 1: that thing you had your showing me what you need

2061
01:49:04,520 --> 01:49:06,040
Speaker 1: to do if you want to stay alive a long time?

2062
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:11,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, CC thing up. Dr Lazarre is gonna walk

2063
01:49:11,880 --> 01:49:15,760
Speaker 1: you through what you need to do. The American male

2064
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:18,840
Speaker 1: hit us with an American mail, alright, an American mail

2065
01:49:18,920 --> 01:49:21,120
Speaker 1: wants to live a long time. Yeah. So if you

2066
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:24,519
Speaker 1: go to the CDC website, it's a wonderful governmental organization.

2067
01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:26,360
Speaker 1: They can they give a lot of stats as they

2068
01:49:26,439 --> 01:49:29,559
Speaker 1: track causes of death across the country, and so kind

2069
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:31,640
Speaker 1: of wrote real question. Yeah, what it makes sense that

2070
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:37,320
Speaker 1: the that the antibiotic I'm on plus the gram ivy

2071
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:39,799
Speaker 1: profens are giving me a lot of gastro intestinal upset

2072
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:43,840
Speaker 1: for sure, So ibprofen, I quit the antibiotic. Depends what

2073
01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:45,519
Speaker 1: you're on. We got I can't remember. It's like a

2074
01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:48,719
Speaker 1: couple of word, a couple of letters and words probably, Yeah, Okay,

2075
01:49:48,920 --> 01:49:51,040
Speaker 1: keep in mind this room is not as well ventilated

2076
01:49:51,080 --> 01:49:53,400
Speaker 1: as it used to be. It's not like that, man,

2077
01:49:53,479 --> 01:49:56,800
Speaker 1: it's different. So so a lot of times So antibiotics

2078
01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:59,080
Speaker 1: can cause a lot of g I distress, so upset

2079
01:49:59,160 --> 01:50:01,799
Speaker 1: stomach or diarrhy. About one in five people get diarrhea

2080
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:04,640
Speaker 1: with taking antibotics, So I've never had this before, but

2081
01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:07,120
Speaker 1: it's it's not fun. Not a lot of um, not

2082
01:50:07,200 --> 01:50:09,519
Speaker 1: a lot of great evidence. But eating yogurt every day

2083
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:14,720
Speaker 1: or taking prot could could prevent diarrhea if I quit

2084
01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:16,759
Speaker 1: the ib pro from which I'm thinking about doing anyway,

2085
01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:18,880
Speaker 1: is that going to help or is it the antibiotic

2086
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:20,800
Speaker 1: that's doing it. It could be a combo both because

2087
01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:23,080
Speaker 1: I'd be profen as side effects, and it not only

2088
01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:25,920
Speaker 1: stops bad inflammation but can also stop there's such a

2089
01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:29,559
Speaker 1: thing as good inflammation, which is UH in the same pathway.

2090
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:32,559
Speaker 1: It helps make mucus in your stomach to help protect

2091
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:36,400
Speaker 1: your stomach from the acid the stomach produces, and so um.

2092
01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:39,000
Speaker 1: It inhibits that as well. So you can see people

2093
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:41,519
Speaker 1: who come in and chronically take ibuprofen and give themselves

2094
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:44,800
Speaker 1: a stomach ulcer. So I would recommend cutting your dose

2095
01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:47,880
Speaker 1: back to four hundred or six hundred milligrams because I'm done.

2096
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:51,160
Speaker 1: You can just got four more days of this antibiotic.

2097
01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:54,000
Speaker 1: But I want to quit now. It's generally recommending that

2098
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:56,160
Speaker 1: you continue them till the full course is done, because

2099
01:50:56,200 --> 01:50:59,000
Speaker 1: you don't want to leave the resistant bacteria sitting there

2100
01:50:59,040 --> 01:51:02,200
Speaker 1: in your skull there. Well, I'm taking the antibotic prophylactically.

2101
01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:04,120
Speaker 1: I don't have an infection. I know I did have

2102
01:51:04,160 --> 01:51:07,000
Speaker 1: an infection. Yeah, I'd probably take my tooth out. This

2103
01:51:07,160 --> 01:51:09,160
Speaker 1: is so. I have a friend who I like very much,

2104
01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:12,320
Speaker 1: a guy that i'm i'm we're gonna go. We're hunting

2105
01:51:12,320 --> 01:51:14,720
Speaker 1: together soon, deer hunting. And he's a neurologist, and he

2106
01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 1: says a lot of I remember I got one of

2107
01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:20,240
Speaker 1: my little camp Yeah, for sure. So he he often

2108
01:51:20,280 --> 01:51:22,040
Speaker 1: says he's neurologist. He deals with a lot of like

2109
01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:24,720
Speaker 1: sixty year olds that don't want their prostate operating on

2110
01:51:25,320 --> 01:51:28,960
Speaker 1: and he says, you know, his line is, we don't

2111
01:51:29,240 --> 01:51:32,280
Speaker 1: have to do anything, but we should, Yeah, and just

2112
01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:34,720
Speaker 1: leaves it that and lets it hang. And so you

2113
01:51:34,760 --> 01:51:36,680
Speaker 1: don't have to do anything but what you know, but

2114
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:38,880
Speaker 1: you should. And what I would do is probably finish them,

2115
01:51:39,600 --> 01:51:42,280
Speaker 1: take tilent on instead, give yourselfs a little bit of

2116
01:51:42,280 --> 01:51:45,320
Speaker 1: a knease. One of my favorite parts about this tooth

2117
01:51:45,400 --> 01:51:47,200
Speaker 1: process can't hold what y'all was going to ask you

2118
01:51:47,200 --> 01:51:49,120
Speaker 1: about staying alive long time? As they came out and

2119
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:51,360
Speaker 1: presented the price, the cost of all this whole thing

2120
01:51:51,439 --> 01:51:55,280
Speaker 1: to me and ala carte fashion dude, as though, um,

2121
01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:59,000
Speaker 1: I would get halfway into this and quit. Yeah, but

2122
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:01,200
Speaker 1: that caused this much for this part. I think if

2123
01:52:01,200 --> 01:52:02,799
Speaker 1: you're buying a car and you're like, well, the tires

2124
01:52:02,840 --> 01:52:09,759
Speaker 1: of this, the doors, this, the dentistry, the dentistry operation

2125
01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:13,160
Speaker 1: they've got, Essentially it's a different kind of business. I mean,

2126
01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:17,360
Speaker 1: they have an infinite demand and they have essentially said

2127
01:52:17,439 --> 01:52:21,360
Speaker 1: we're taking cash, and so it's a very expensive endeavor

2128
01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:24,479
Speaker 1: to get major dental work done. Insurance is a bomb

2129
01:52:24,520 --> 01:52:26,760
Speaker 1: around dental for sure, and so all the more reason

2130
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:29,400
Speaker 1: to brush teeth loss. You know you don't want those problems.

2131
01:52:29,439 --> 01:52:32,240
Speaker 1: You know, it's prevention is worth a pound of cure. Okay,

2132
01:52:32,280 --> 01:52:34,920
Speaker 1: help everyone stay alive a long time, alright, So first thing,

2133
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:39,519
Speaker 1: don't smoke, uh, Second thing, where your seatbelt? Um, stay

2134
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:43,440
Speaker 1: fit and active. If you look at these um CDC websites,

2135
01:52:43,479 --> 01:52:45,280
Speaker 1: you can see the leading causes of death and so

2136
01:52:45,439 --> 01:52:47,960
Speaker 1: for people our age and the you know, mid thirties, forties,

2137
01:52:48,439 --> 01:52:50,320
Speaker 1: the number one thing that used to kill all of

2138
01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:52,800
Speaker 1: us um between like five and forty five was motor

2139
01:52:52,920 --> 01:52:57,080
Speaker 1: vehicle collisions, so unintentional injuries. But in the most recent

2140
01:52:57,280 --> 01:53:03,439
Speaker 1: decade that has overtaken and overtaken by opioid overdoses. Possibly

2141
01:53:04,080 --> 01:53:06,559
Speaker 1: it's insane. Man, it's it's an epidemic for a reason,

2142
01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:11,320
Speaker 1: and it's um, it's an unfortunate there's some interesting podcast

2143
01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:13,200
Speaker 1: you can listen to us how that came about, and

2144
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:18,840
Speaker 1: you know it is a tragedy. More people in our

2145
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:22,280
Speaker 1: age demographic, well I just left it. More people in

2146
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:25,800
Speaker 1: our age demographic are dying from getting too hopped up

2147
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:28,720
Speaker 1: on pain killers. Then are dying from getting a car crashes. Yep,

2148
01:53:29,040 --> 01:53:32,080
Speaker 1: it's insane. Um Amazon alaz on those things a couple

2149
01:53:32,120 --> 01:53:35,400
Speaker 1: of days ago. So the rates of addiction, can you know,

2150
01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:38,320
Speaker 1: some people have very addictive personalities, and so being on

2151
01:53:38,439 --> 01:53:41,760
Speaker 1: these pills for uh, it's I've read everywhere from a

2152
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:43,160
Speaker 1: couple of weeks a couple of months, and you'll be

2153
01:53:43,240 --> 01:53:46,839
Speaker 1: physically addicted to them. And it's not so being physically

2154
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:49,880
Speaker 1: addicted as different than the mental addiction. So you will

2155
01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:51,880
Speaker 1: go through withdrawals if you stop taking them. I took

2156
01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:54,600
Speaker 1: a tablet twice. No, yeah, you're fine. Well no, And

2157
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:57,200
Speaker 1: that was like very much opposed to taking another time

2158
01:53:58,040 --> 01:54:00,680
Speaker 1: because it's like, wow, I sleep good. Yeah, sound like

2159
01:54:00,920 --> 01:54:03,519
Speaker 1: it's a slippery slope. Man, dude, I know people that

2160
01:54:03,680 --> 01:54:06,120
Speaker 1: have had dental and so I think part of the

2161
01:54:06,160 --> 01:54:09,280
Speaker 1: problem too, is it like we just didn't up until

2162
01:54:09,320 --> 01:54:12,479
Speaker 1: the last decade or five years, we just don't get

2163
01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:15,639
Speaker 1: taught how to treat acute or chronic pain. In medical school,

2164
01:54:15,640 --> 01:54:18,120
Speaker 1: they don't teach you that. And now there's courses where

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01:54:18,160 --> 01:54:19,720
Speaker 1: you learn how to do it, and our residents, we

2166
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:22,000
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time saying, this is what we

2167
01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:24,000
Speaker 1: typically give for this, because a lot of times you

2168
01:54:24,040 --> 01:54:26,280
Speaker 1: would just see see one, do one. You know, you

2169
01:54:26,360 --> 01:54:28,759
Speaker 1: just do what your mentor did, and you'd give somebody

2170
01:54:28,920 --> 01:54:32,400
Speaker 1: for a niece orgery, give them sixty norco or sixty

2171
01:54:32,440 --> 01:54:34,520
Speaker 1: percose because you don't want them to have to call

2172
01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:35,680
Speaker 1: you because they're in a lot of paint, so you

2173
01:54:35,680 --> 01:54:38,600
Speaker 1: give them extra. Right, So then they have forty percosets

2174
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:40,480
Speaker 1: sitting in their closet and then their grandkid comes over

2175
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:42,240
Speaker 1: and steals those and then goes to a party, and

2176
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:47,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's just a multifaceted epidemic. Um, and the

2177
01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:51,880
Speaker 1: health care industry is trying to correct that. And I

2178
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:54,400
Speaker 1: think that, you know, there's there's a blame that can

2179
01:54:54,440 --> 01:54:56,600
Speaker 1: be thrown around everywhere, but I think we're we're trying

2180
01:54:56,640 --> 01:54:58,600
Speaker 1: to correct it. Have you seen the documentary I Am

2181
01:54:58,640 --> 01:55:03,880
Speaker 1: Trying to Break your Heart? Nope, not. It's about a musician.

2182
01:55:04,120 --> 01:55:06,680
Speaker 1: There's a little bit in there about percoset. Yeah, it's

2183
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:09,800
Speaker 1: it likes the way it makes music sound. Yeah. Man,

2184
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:12,480
Speaker 1: everybody's everybody's looking for a drug. I mean, whether you're

2185
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:15,640
Speaker 1: filling it with McDonald's or alcohol or cigarettes, or religion

2186
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:17,520
Speaker 1: or whatever. Everybody's looking to trying to fill some sort

2187
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:20,960
Speaker 1: of void in their life and and and process those emotions.

2188
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:24,360
Speaker 1: And you know, we see lots of unhealthy coping mechanisms,

2189
01:55:24,440 --> 01:55:27,240
Speaker 1: but there's plenty of healthy ones, you know, and um,

2190
01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:30,400
Speaker 1: you know, if you struggle with something like that, not

2191
01:55:30,600 --> 01:55:34,080
Speaker 1: only there's a whole armamentarium of people that are willing

2192
01:55:34,120 --> 01:55:35,520
Speaker 1: and ready to help it all hours of the day,

2193
01:55:36,040 --> 01:55:39,800
Speaker 1: social workers, primary care, doctors, emergency you know, we're these

2194
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:42,120
Speaker 1: people went into this for this reason and it's a

2195
01:55:42,200 --> 01:55:45,480
Speaker 1: big you know, you have a lot of valuable people

2196
01:55:46,160 --> 01:55:49,320
Speaker 1: that that have these struggle with these problems, you know. So,

2197
01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:51,240
Speaker 1: so it used to be if you want to stay

2198
01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:53,800
Speaker 1: alive between the ages or whatever, and forty five, you

2199
01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:55,160
Speaker 1: don't want to get in a car crash. So we

2200
01:55:55,200 --> 01:55:56,800
Speaker 1: don't know, you don't want to get in a car crash,

2201
01:55:56,880 --> 01:55:59,080
Speaker 1: and you don't want to get hooked on pills. Yeah,

2202
01:55:59,120 --> 01:56:01,360
Speaker 1: so where your seatbelt, don't get hooked down pills? Right,

2203
01:56:01,680 --> 01:56:04,720
Speaker 1: and then what comes next? Then what's going to kill you? Then, unfortunately,

2204
01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:08,360
Speaker 1: you see an uptick of malignant neoplasms or cancer in

2205
01:56:08,440 --> 01:56:11,080
Speaker 1: the middle ages, like fifty to sixty five, that's what

2206
01:56:11,200 --> 01:56:13,600
Speaker 1: gets you. Then that and that, So that's like basically

2207
01:56:13,680 --> 01:56:16,800
Speaker 1: that's kind of that's behavioral. You know, if you're smoking

2208
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:19,640
Speaker 1: a lot, If you smoke, or you you are obese,

2209
01:56:19,680 --> 01:56:22,080
Speaker 1: it increases your risk of cancer if you're obese. UM,

2210
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:25,360
Speaker 1: because fat is you know, produces hormones that your body

2211
01:56:25,400 --> 01:56:28,920
Speaker 1: gets exposed to. So it can be lifestyle choices that

2212
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:30,800
Speaker 1: expose you to that, or it could be just a

2213
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:34,280
Speaker 1: bad genetic draw and so being somewhat lucky in life

2214
01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:37,160
Speaker 1: is nothing you can do about that. So cars kill you,

2215
01:56:37,240 --> 01:56:40,200
Speaker 1: then your genes kill you, and then um and then

2216
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:42,840
Speaker 1: it's just worked up a little chunk of bone. Yeah,

2217
01:56:42,920 --> 01:56:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm actually grinding. I'm grinding it up right now with

2218
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:47,200
Speaker 1: my teeth. I think you'll be okay, You're good. Not

2219
01:56:47,480 --> 01:56:50,960
Speaker 1: my own some dudes. I hear that. And then after that,

2220
01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:54,040
Speaker 1: it's cardiovascular disease, which um the only way to really

2221
01:56:54,600 --> 01:56:56,880
Speaker 1: so some of that is going to kill you, like

2222
01:56:57,000 --> 01:56:59,040
Speaker 1: sixty plus. I mean, we see it depends. You know.

2223
01:56:59,120 --> 01:57:01,120
Speaker 1: We see people with third five who use cocaine or

2224
01:57:01,160 --> 01:57:03,360
Speaker 1: smoke a lot of a bad family history, who get

2225
01:57:03,440 --> 01:57:05,000
Speaker 1: heart attacks. And you told me I probably don't need

2226
01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:08,480
Speaker 1: to worry about dying from that. So because you're so active,

2227
01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:11,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't think people realize the

2228
01:57:12,360 --> 01:57:15,160
Speaker 1: uh So, everybody knows it's smoking is bad for your lungs,

2229
01:57:15,200 --> 01:57:16,760
Speaker 1: but I don't think people realize that smoking is bad

2230
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:19,600
Speaker 1: for the vessels around your heart. They hardened early, and

2231
01:57:19,720 --> 01:57:23,120
Speaker 1: so that's I think people don't realize, um, how that

2232
01:57:23,200 --> 01:57:25,480
Speaker 1: can affect you. So Yanni used to smoke. Yeah, I

2233
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:28,040
Speaker 1: hear used to chew too. It's uh anything about that, Joannie.

2234
01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:37,840
Speaker 1: I don't leave home without it. So, uh So, after

2235
01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:43,160
Speaker 1: the cardiovascular disease, then it's um pahone you're saying fault. Yeah,

2236
01:57:43,200 --> 01:57:46,080
Speaker 1: I think it's fault. Yeah, it's falling. Someone told me

2237
01:57:46,160 --> 01:57:49,320
Speaker 1: recently that once you hit a certain age and you

2238
01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:52,560
Speaker 1: break your hip, yeah, you're dead within a month. Yeah,

2239
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:54,160
Speaker 1: because of all the coal morbidities that come with it.

2240
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:56,720
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like sharks, right, so or fish,

2241
01:57:56,760 --> 01:58:00,040
Speaker 1: you know, stop morbidity. Yeah, it was something like I

2242
01:58:00,280 --> 01:58:02,240
Speaker 1: can't here what it was, some staggering thing like once

2243
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:07,520
Speaker 1: you're and you break your hip, you have a chance

2244
01:58:07,560 --> 01:58:09,480
Speaker 1: of being dead in a month or And it's really

2245
01:58:09,560 --> 01:58:11,600
Speaker 1: scary because you see, you can see these eighty year

2246
01:58:11,600 --> 01:58:14,480
Speaker 1: old young eighty year old ladies come in who you know,

2247
01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:16,640
Speaker 1: they break their hip, and they don't realize how how

2248
01:58:16,760 --> 01:58:19,400
Speaker 1: this is like one of the last notches sometimes, you know,

2249
01:58:19,560 --> 01:58:22,440
Speaker 1: it's it's really profound because if you stop, when you're

2250
01:58:22,480 --> 01:58:24,920
Speaker 1: like they come in, you're like, you're statistically you're done,

2251
01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:27,280
Speaker 1: but you're not saying that. You mean, you're saying, we're

2252
01:58:27,280 --> 01:58:28,760
Speaker 1: gonna get you fixed up, We're gonna try the best

2253
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:30,600
Speaker 1: we can. And I don't think they realize how serious

2254
01:58:30,640 --> 01:58:33,520
Speaker 1: something like that is. Don't chance you're done? No, no, no, no, yeah,

2255
01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:35,320
Speaker 1: we don't. That's going back to the how you are

2256
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:38,800
Speaker 1: your grandma treated. That's not a good good approach. But

2257
01:58:38,920 --> 01:58:42,160
Speaker 1: I think, uh so, people don't realize how a body

2258
01:58:42,200 --> 01:58:44,240
Speaker 1: emotion stays in motion. And I think it's not only

2259
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:46,560
Speaker 1: for your brain if you're continually using your brain, but

2260
01:58:46,600 --> 01:58:49,120
Speaker 1: also your body. And everybody was stressing like, oh, you

2261
01:58:49,160 --> 01:58:51,760
Speaker 1: gotta run all the time and cardiovasc your fitness. But really,

2262
01:58:52,240 --> 01:58:54,120
Speaker 1: and my wife could attest this too because she's a doctor.

2263
01:58:54,200 --> 01:58:57,040
Speaker 1: You know. We see strength as a big issue, like

2264
01:58:57,440 --> 01:58:59,720
Speaker 1: older people that just can't stand up out of a chair. Right,

2265
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:03,320
Speaker 1: you get up and go, And the more sedentary become,

2266
01:59:03,640 --> 01:59:05,600
Speaker 1: the less your blood flows, the more you eat, the

2267
01:59:05,680 --> 01:59:08,560
Speaker 1: more it just like a shark and water. You gotta

2268
01:59:08,600 --> 01:59:11,120
Speaker 1: stay moving all the time. Whatever it is. Yoga is

2269
01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:15,920
Speaker 1: terrific um. Strength training and some cardiovascular is the way

2270
01:59:15,960 --> 01:59:18,280
Speaker 1: to stay for That's what I plan on doing from

2271
01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:21,320
Speaker 1: what I've seen, so where your seatbelt, don't get hooked

2272
01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:27,080
Speaker 1: on opioids, have good genes, stay active, correct, don't smoke.

2273
01:59:27,120 --> 01:59:31,080
Speaker 1: Don't smoke, that's the and then eat eat things that spoil, right,

2274
01:59:31,160 --> 01:59:33,160
Speaker 1: you won't want like you're trying the other day, Like

2275
01:59:33,240 --> 01:59:35,160
Speaker 1: eat things you're talking about the brown food, right, you

2276
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:37,280
Speaker 1: can watch the time lapse video of some fast food

2277
01:59:37,320 --> 01:59:39,040
Speaker 1: sit in the woods, and it looks the same three

2278
01:59:39,080 --> 01:59:43,440
Speaker 1: weeks later than it does. I bet it does. I

2279
01:59:43,560 --> 01:59:46,800
Speaker 1: bet it does. Tastes like salt and fat. It's preservatives, right,

2280
01:59:47,880 --> 01:59:50,200
Speaker 1: So my I was trying to explain my and I

2281
01:59:50,240 --> 01:59:52,080
Speaker 1: don't addhere to this in the strict fashion, but I

2282
01:59:52,160 --> 01:59:54,200
Speaker 1: was trying to explain my diet. Your day, we have

2283
01:59:54,240 --> 01:59:56,960
Speaker 1: an arguing about fat diets. Well, I was marveling at

2284
01:59:57,000 --> 02:00:03,400
Speaker 1: how fat diets um, they only die when they get replaced. Yeah,

2285
02:00:03,440 --> 02:00:06,520
Speaker 1: are you there's never a period of no fat diet. Yeah,

2286
02:00:06,840 --> 02:00:10,080
Speaker 1: there's all like a fat diet lives. It's like it's

2287
02:00:10,120 --> 02:00:12,160
Speaker 1: like when you're a king. Yeah, in the old days,

2288
02:00:13,240 --> 02:00:16,520
Speaker 1: Like a king or an emperor lives until it gets

2289
02:00:16,640 --> 02:00:20,400
Speaker 1: killed by yeah, an open coming king or emperor. And

2290
02:00:20,560 --> 02:00:23,560
Speaker 1: fat diets only get fat diets only get killed by

2291
02:00:23,560 --> 02:00:26,560
Speaker 1: a new replacement. There's never like we never take a

2292
02:00:26,640 --> 02:00:29,000
Speaker 1: year off of fat diets. Yeah, man, So the reason

2293
02:00:29,080 --> 02:00:31,280
Speaker 1: they're the reason there's more and more diets of coming

2294
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:33,080
Speaker 1: around me. If there was one diet that worked for everybody,

2295
02:00:33,160 --> 02:00:34,920
Speaker 1: then that's what people would do, you know. But the

2296
02:00:35,400 --> 02:00:38,280
Speaker 1: thing is that it's all about calories in calories out right,

2297
02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:40,680
Speaker 1: So you have to burn more calories than you put

2298
02:00:40,720 --> 02:00:43,040
Speaker 1: in in order to burn fat. In order to do that,

2299
02:00:43,200 --> 02:00:45,680
Speaker 1: you have to exercise, which is the hardest part. People

2300
02:00:45,720 --> 02:00:49,160
Speaker 1: don't can't or won't, or they're stressed, or they work

2301
02:00:49,240 --> 02:00:50,600
Speaker 1: it on. I got kids, I know how hard is

2302
02:00:50,640 --> 02:00:53,320
Speaker 1: to fit in working out. I mean it's ridiculous. So

2303
02:00:54,040 --> 02:00:57,040
Speaker 1: so diet I'm trying to construct is this Are you

2304
02:00:57,880 --> 02:00:59,840
Speaker 1: starry to interject? But are you in ketosis yet? Because

2305
02:00:59,840 --> 02:01:02,800
Speaker 1: that's a big one now, you know, get I'll tell

2306
02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:05,400
Speaker 1: you what my diet is. Yeah, that it should look

2307
02:01:05,480 --> 02:01:08,160
Speaker 1: like it was chopped out of a fish or animal,

2308
02:01:08,360 --> 02:01:12,680
Speaker 1: meaning you're looking at it and you can tell that

2309
02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:14,560
Speaker 1: it was chopped out of a fish or an animal,

2310
02:01:15,480 --> 02:01:18,680
Speaker 1: or it looks like it grew out of the dirt. Yeah,

2311
02:01:19,720 --> 02:01:23,320
Speaker 1: So they talked, that's a diet. That's not even a

2312
02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:25,920
Speaker 1: fad diet. That's just a diet. You're talking about whole eating, right,

2313
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:27,400
Speaker 1: you're talking about I don't know what I'm talking about

2314
02:01:27,480 --> 02:01:30,240
Speaker 1: talking about looking that's it. That's like I don't want

2315
02:01:30,240 --> 02:01:32,360
Speaker 1: anybody interpreting it. So it's like if you can call

2316
02:01:32,400 --> 02:01:35,960
Speaker 1: you like it I'm just envisioning all the things you've

2317
02:01:36,280 --> 02:01:38,920
Speaker 1: excluded from your diet. Most wit can just only be

2318
02:01:39,000 --> 02:01:42,440
Speaker 1: found at fancy restaurants. But no, it's it's a it's

2319
02:01:42,440 --> 02:01:44,160
Speaker 1: a hype. I'm not gonna do it. I'm just saying

2320
02:01:44,200 --> 02:01:47,600
Speaker 1: I feel like that's when I feel best the most time,

2321
02:01:47,640 --> 02:01:49,480
Speaker 1: when I'm like when I lay out my kids dinner

2322
02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:52,520
Speaker 1: at night, I'm most happy when I look at like

2323
02:01:52,720 --> 02:01:54,400
Speaker 1: it looks like stuff that you chopped out of animals

2324
02:01:54,440 --> 02:01:56,280
Speaker 1: and grow out of the dirt. Yeah, I mean, it's

2325
02:01:56,280 --> 02:01:58,840
Speaker 1: probably good for him. So I often tell patients, in

2326
02:01:58,920 --> 02:02:01,480
Speaker 1: the simplest terms, just eat around the perimeter of the

2327
02:02:01,520 --> 02:02:05,320
Speaker 1: grocery store. Everything that's on the outside my middle. My doctor.

2328
02:02:06,960 --> 02:02:09,760
Speaker 1: I've heard it before, my doctor, stay away from the middle.

2329
02:02:09,760 --> 02:02:14,320
Speaker 1: As the frozen stuff, the like the process. You eat

2330
02:02:14,400 --> 02:02:17,200
Speaker 1: what God and nature made, not what man. Just go

2331
02:02:17,400 --> 02:02:20,560
Speaker 1: laugh at the grocery store. I get frozen veggies because

2332
02:02:20,600 --> 02:02:22,600
Speaker 1: I just, yeah, it looks like it got shot grew

2333
02:02:22,640 --> 02:02:24,920
Speaker 1: out of the dirt, for sure. I mean, I'm certainly

2334
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:27,120
Speaker 1: no saying I love potato chips, but you know, I try,

2335
02:02:27,160 --> 02:02:28,720
Speaker 1: and it doesn't look I could grew out of the dirt.

2336
02:02:29,440 --> 02:02:32,120
Speaker 1: They're bad for you. But unless you get the kind

2337
02:02:32,160 --> 02:02:37,600
Speaker 1: of look Pringles, it looks like a leaf came out

2338
02:02:37,640 --> 02:02:41,920
Speaker 1: of a machine. Um, if let's get a concluder from Johnnie,

2339
02:02:43,160 --> 02:02:51,120
Speaker 1: I have a good looking aunt. Thanks Johnny kel you

2340
02:02:51,240 --> 02:02:55,280
Speaker 1: gotta come back, man. We've wait, we've burned up disease.

2341
02:02:56,080 --> 02:02:58,240
Speaker 1: We're coming down. We covered that with the in fact,

2342
02:02:58,280 --> 02:03:00,760
Speaker 1: we had an epidemialogies for that. Yeah, and it's trying

2343
02:03:00,760 --> 02:03:02,600
Speaker 1: to do one to punch. We had. We had like

2344
02:03:02,680 --> 02:03:04,480
Speaker 1: an infectious disease guy. Now we're trying to have an

2345
02:03:04,480 --> 02:03:07,520
Speaker 1: injury guy. Yeah, it's super relevant. I mean listening to

2346
02:03:07,640 --> 02:03:09,480
Speaker 1: your story about your experience with lime, I mean that

2347
02:03:09,680 --> 02:03:11,880
Speaker 1: was fascinating to hear that about your elbows, what numb

2348
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:14,120
Speaker 1: and whatnot. That's that kind of stuff is I mean,

2349
02:03:14,160 --> 02:03:16,120
Speaker 1: we don't fully understand how the body works, and that

2350
02:03:16,320 --> 02:03:19,280
Speaker 1: is a very squirrely disease. I don't it's crazy. That's

2351
02:03:19,280 --> 02:03:22,520
Speaker 1: a great word for it. Squirrely. Yeah, very scary too.

2352
02:03:24,160 --> 02:03:27,920
Speaker 1: You turniquet man, Yeah, yeah, I mean you gotta make

2353
02:03:28,520 --> 02:03:30,960
Speaker 1: like I said, I just feel like I go back

2354
02:03:31,040 --> 02:03:35,040
Speaker 1: and just start a little smarter and a little safer

2355
02:03:35,600 --> 02:03:39,720
Speaker 1: instead of the trial and error existence I've led because

2356
02:03:39,720 --> 02:03:42,720
Speaker 1: it's just harder now because, like I said, every time

2357
02:03:42,760 --> 02:03:45,640
Speaker 1: I look back, if somebody's like, well, you know, you

2358
02:03:45,680 --> 02:03:47,840
Speaker 1: shouldn't do that, all the dumb stuff you do all

2359
02:03:47,840 --> 02:03:50,520
Speaker 1: the time, not you, not you. But but oh my god,

2360
02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm so much better than I was ten years ago.

2361
02:03:54,360 --> 02:03:56,240
Speaker 1: I'm so much safer than I was. I think about

2362
02:03:56,320 --> 02:03:59,800
Speaker 1: this stuff so much more. Um, I'll tell you quickie. Yeah,

2363
02:04:00,360 --> 02:04:02,200
Speaker 1: we grew up next to dude. They're down the road

2364
02:04:02,240 --> 02:04:07,240
Speaker 1: from dude. Uh. Dan Morgan and Mike Morgan two brothers,

2365
02:04:07,800 --> 02:04:09,520
Speaker 1: very different brothers, but one of them fixed up an

2366
02:04:09,520 --> 02:04:11,440
Speaker 1: old snow and being I can't remember what happened. He

2367
02:04:11,480 --> 02:04:13,880
Speaker 1: had a problem where you wound up that he would

2368
02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:17,960
Speaker 1: take a mason jar and fill it full of gas. Perfect,

2369
02:04:18,760 --> 02:04:21,200
Speaker 1: I'm not joking. He had a mason jar full of

2370
02:04:21,280 --> 02:04:23,800
Speaker 1: gas with a lid on, a ball cap on it,

2371
02:04:24,120 --> 02:04:26,520
Speaker 1: not a ball cap like a baseball cap, ball brand cap,

2372
02:04:27,480 --> 02:04:30,560
Speaker 1: and a hole in it. He would fill that jar

2373
02:04:30,640 --> 02:04:33,520
Speaker 1: full of gas and carry it between his legs with

2374
02:04:33,680 --> 02:04:38,160
Speaker 1: the fuel line going into the jar of gas. That

2375
02:04:38,280 --> 02:04:43,840
Speaker 1: was his fuel tank between his legs. Uh, And then

2376
02:04:44,840 --> 02:04:51,200
Speaker 1: barely warranted comment we're going, so you do, superstar? Yeah?

2377
02:04:51,760 --> 02:04:55,360
Speaker 1: But in regards to the opioids, you know, my grandma

2378
02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:59,280
Speaker 1: just passed away here um end of the summer. And

2379
02:05:00,720 --> 02:05:02,640
Speaker 1: sorry to hear that, by the way, oh thank you. Yeah.

2380
02:05:02,720 --> 02:05:05,680
Speaker 1: She had she had a great run. Um hard headed

2381
02:05:05,720 --> 02:05:14,000
Speaker 1: old gal six I think, yeah, um. But she was

2382
02:05:15,320 --> 02:05:26,280
Speaker 1: like vehemently anti drugs and she would you know, scientologist, no,

2383
02:05:26,520 --> 02:05:30,880
Speaker 1: she just like she was. She would literally scream at

2384
02:05:30,920 --> 02:05:33,680
Speaker 1: the doctor and say, you're not going to turn me

2385
02:05:33,720 --> 02:05:40,200
Speaker 1: into a goddamn drug addict. That this cholesterol film. Yeah yeah,

2386
02:05:40,280 --> 02:05:43,400
Speaker 1: I mean she was like and if she felt because

2387
02:05:43,440 --> 02:05:45,800
Speaker 1: she had to have surgeries and stuff, and if she

2388
02:05:45,960 --> 02:05:49,320
Speaker 1: felt like at all doped up, she's like, what are

2389
02:05:49,400 --> 02:05:53,040
Speaker 1: you giving me? And just and I mean then that's

2390
02:05:53,160 --> 02:05:56,360
Speaker 1: that's the way she expired. Like she she was with

2391
02:05:56,560 --> 02:05:59,760
Speaker 1: it and fought that stuff until you know, she she

2392
02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:03,120
Speaker 1: exically like went into a pain fog and then the

2393
02:06:03,200 --> 02:06:06,320
Speaker 1: family got to step in and be like, okay, go ahead,

2394
02:06:06,400 --> 02:06:10,280
Speaker 1: doper up so we can. Yeah. Yeah, it was, I mean,

2395
02:06:10,320 --> 02:06:12,880
Speaker 1: it was amazing. It's good to applaudable in the sense

2396
02:06:12,920 --> 02:06:14,440
Speaker 1: that it's good to ask what people are giving you,

2397
02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:16,560
Speaker 1: even if you're in that environment. It's nice to ask

2398
02:06:16,600 --> 02:06:18,560
Speaker 1: and say, hey, take some ownership and be like, what

2399
02:06:18,680 --> 02:06:21,800
Speaker 1: are you doing to me? Don't just take everything face value,

2400
02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:24,640
Speaker 1: you know. But thing like being on the outside, right,

2401
02:06:24,720 --> 02:06:28,280
Speaker 1: we're like take the pill, trying to hurt you. Yeah,

2402
02:06:29,320 --> 02:06:31,640
Speaker 1: you got anything to wrap up? Yeah, I just want

2403
02:06:31,720 --> 02:06:36,160
Speaker 1: to thank Alan, because what was I saying, Adam or

2404
02:06:36,200 --> 02:06:41,720
Speaker 1: what you're saying that was gonna be a Michael but Alan, Yeah, No,

2405
02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:44,440
Speaker 1: I just want to thank you. No, you did not

2406
02:06:44,720 --> 02:06:49,919
Speaker 1: like I could have made that mistake. Yeah, but I've

2407
02:06:49,960 --> 02:06:52,680
Speaker 1: got I've gotten kind of complacent about what I was

2408
02:06:52,760 --> 02:06:54,800
Speaker 1: carrying around in my medical kit and just kind of

2409
02:06:54,880 --> 02:06:56,640
Speaker 1: throwing it in there in the bottom of the pack,

2410
02:06:57,320 --> 02:07:00,240
Speaker 1: you know, just I'm like, it's there. But now I'm

2411
02:07:00,240 --> 02:07:02,400
Speaker 1: gonna like get a little more serious about looking at

2412
02:07:02,480 --> 02:07:05,640
Speaker 1: it and what's in there and checking it frequently and

2413
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:08,920
Speaker 1: things like that. Oh, I've been thinking this this whole thing,

2414
02:07:09,160 --> 02:07:11,560
Speaker 1: Like this weekend, I gotta I gotta make a trip

2415
02:07:11,640 --> 02:07:14,200
Speaker 1: to the store here before I hit through. Yeah, because

2416
02:07:14,360 --> 02:07:17,000
Speaker 1: like stuff goes bad or gets wet or you know whatever.

2417
02:07:17,160 --> 02:07:20,920
Speaker 1: And people definitely, people definitely love love gear stuff and

2418
02:07:21,000 --> 02:07:23,520
Speaker 1: this is a valuable way to spend some time and

2419
02:07:23,680 --> 02:07:25,240
Speaker 1: a little bit. It can go a long way, I think.

2420
02:07:25,600 --> 02:07:28,080
Speaker 1: But my second thing was when when we were talking

2421
02:07:28,120 --> 02:07:30,720
Speaker 1: about how to live to be an old age something

2422
02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:33,760
Speaker 1: you pointed out that we didn't touch on. And I'm

2423
02:07:33,760 --> 02:07:36,160
Speaker 1: not condoned and drinking or being mean to people, but

2424
02:07:36,280 --> 02:07:39,480
Speaker 1: you said, uh, angry alcoholics. You know they can they

2425
02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:42,240
Speaker 1: can go a long time, yea. So you know, we

2426
02:07:42,480 --> 02:07:45,360
Speaker 1: sometimes we just see people that are able to withstand.

2427
02:07:45,840 --> 02:07:47,680
Speaker 1: You know, some people smoke for five years and they

2428
02:07:47,720 --> 02:07:49,680
Speaker 1: end up with COPD. Some people smoke till there nine

2429
02:07:50,080 --> 02:07:52,800
Speaker 1: and have no breathing problems. So it's it's a lot

2430
02:07:52,840 --> 02:07:55,880
Speaker 1: of it's genetic. Or you see people who treat their

2431
02:07:55,880 --> 02:07:58,680
Speaker 1: bodies like a playground and live to old age. And

2432
02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:01,080
Speaker 1: but you said, being me means like being a little

2433
02:08:01,160 --> 02:08:03,640
Speaker 1: means a good thing you think, you know, in reference

2434
02:08:03,640 --> 02:08:05,520
Speaker 1: to the fact that some of the middle aged people

2435
02:08:05,520 --> 02:08:07,879
Speaker 1: I see who end up being diagnosed with cancer, unfortunately,

2436
02:08:07,920 --> 02:08:11,200
Speaker 1: it's always it's a it's a part of our gallows humor.

2437
02:08:11,200 --> 02:08:13,760
Speaker 1: You know, they're just so nice. Why would that happen

2438
02:08:13,800 --> 02:08:16,000
Speaker 1: to that person who's like, uh, you know, a pastor

2439
02:08:16,200 --> 02:08:19,320
Speaker 1: with three kids and super nice and great guy and

2440
02:08:19,680 --> 02:08:22,440
Speaker 1: he's got pancreatic cancer for no freaking reason, you know.

2441
02:08:22,560 --> 02:08:25,920
Speaker 1: And it's just this ironic, horrible thing that I got

2442
02:08:25,960 --> 02:08:29,760
Speaker 1: my grandma throwing stuff at you know, he lives in

2443
02:08:29,840 --> 02:08:32,800
Speaker 1: your nineties, you know, so um it's a joke that

2444
02:08:32,920 --> 02:08:34,320
Speaker 1: you know, you have a little bit of a mean streak,

2445
02:08:34,360 --> 02:08:37,480
Speaker 1: but yeah, you can you know, uh take it out

2446
02:08:37,520 --> 02:08:39,200
Speaker 1: on a tree stump or something like that. Well, I

2447
02:08:39,280 --> 02:08:40,880
Speaker 1: was at the dentisty or day. I couldn't see if

2448
02:08:40,920 --> 02:08:43,720
Speaker 1: there was an old old lady in the stall next

2449
02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:45,880
Speaker 1: to you whatever they call those things, And I heard her.

2450
02:08:46,720 --> 02:08:49,680
Speaker 1: He's like greating her and all she has to say

2451
02:08:49,680 --> 02:08:54,120
Speaker 1: to him, She's like, you're gonna wear gloves in a mask? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2452
02:08:54,600 --> 02:08:59,200
Speaker 1: tell yeah, yeah, you're correct. Yes, I'm going to It's

2453
02:08:59,200 --> 02:09:01,680
Speaker 1: good to advocate yourself. We can all do it politely,

2454
02:09:03,920 --> 02:09:06,120
Speaker 1: all right, You got any final and you gotta have

2455
02:09:06,200 --> 02:09:08,800
Speaker 1: to come back on. Man. I love to love to

2456
02:09:09,040 --> 02:09:11,440
Speaker 1: you know. We never give a final thought too. Yeah, no,

2457
02:09:11,600 --> 02:09:15,760
Speaker 1: fill the engineer never say no. One cares a handsome devil.

2458
02:09:15,840 --> 02:09:17,920
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I think the reason most people don't

2459
02:09:17,920 --> 02:09:19,640
Speaker 1: care because I don't have a whole lot to bring

2460
02:09:19,720 --> 02:09:22,040
Speaker 1: to the table. Yeah, I don't care less. What film

2461
02:09:22,160 --> 02:09:23,520
Speaker 1: right now. But yeah, I just want to thank you

2462
02:09:23,600 --> 02:09:33,080
Speaker 1: for for that's about enough. We've heard enough. No, I

2463
02:09:33,200 --> 02:09:34,840
Speaker 1: was here filing now that you got started. Yeah, no,

2464
02:09:34,960 --> 02:09:37,120
Speaker 1: I mean I was kind of nervous when that during

2465
02:09:37,160 --> 02:09:39,800
Speaker 1: the class today, that slide popped up that said, you know,

2466
02:09:39,880 --> 02:09:43,640
Speaker 1: they're warning disturbing images coming up, because I think when

2467
02:09:43,680 --> 02:09:47,960
Speaker 1: I think most humans, they're natural inclination is to kind

2468
02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:51,160
Speaker 1: of push stuff like horrible injuries out of their heads

2469
02:09:51,240 --> 02:09:54,400
Speaker 1: and like, because it's just it's a massive reminder that

2470
02:09:54,480 --> 02:09:57,440
Speaker 1: we're all just sacks of goo. Yeah, absolute, and like,

2471
02:09:57,680 --> 02:09:59,240
Speaker 1: you know, one horrible thing could happened and all the

2472
02:09:59,280 --> 02:10:01,200
Speaker 1: good could spill out and we could be dead. But

2473
02:10:01,280 --> 02:10:03,560
Speaker 1: I think it's really important to at least learn the

2474
02:10:03,600 --> 02:10:06,880
Speaker 1: basics of how to keep the goo in. Yeah, so yeah,

2475
02:10:06,920 --> 02:10:08,880
Speaker 1: thanks for coming in. You should have him comment more often.

2476
02:10:09,560 --> 02:10:12,960
Speaker 1: Always start that's pretty good, young good. I used to

2477
02:10:12,960 --> 02:10:14,560
Speaker 1: think he's some kind of playboy and then realize he's

2478
02:10:14,560 --> 02:10:17,440
Speaker 1: got kids. Yeah, keeps quiet about him, Yeah, not very

2479
02:10:17,480 --> 02:10:22,280
Speaker 1: proud of them, apparently, lovely, lovely children. What do you

2480
02:10:22,320 --> 02:10:25,080
Speaker 1: got any concluders? I would just say, you know, to

2481
02:10:25,280 --> 02:10:31,680
Speaker 1: all of the first responders and in emergency and emergency staff, nurses,

2482
02:10:31,720 --> 02:10:34,360
Speaker 1: everybody's out there, who's you know, standing standing on the

2483
02:10:34,400 --> 02:10:36,040
Speaker 1: wall in the middle of the night taking care of people.

2484
02:10:36,360 --> 02:10:39,000
Speaker 1: Thank you to everybody that does that. And for all

2485
02:10:39,000 --> 02:10:42,440
Speaker 1: of us hunters out there, please protect yourself, protect your family,

2486
02:10:43,080 --> 02:10:45,760
Speaker 1: um because you know, like Phil was saying, it only

2487
02:10:45,800 --> 02:10:48,320
Speaker 1: takes one misstep and we're dealing with a pretty life

2488
02:10:48,400 --> 02:10:51,360
Speaker 1: changing situation. So announcer preventions worth a pound of cure.

2489
02:10:51,480 --> 02:10:53,560
Speaker 1: So be safe. Yeah, when you're bragging up, how your

2490
02:10:53,600 --> 02:10:56,960
Speaker 1: pack anyways three pounds and you're washing your body bleed

2491
02:10:57,000 --> 02:10:59,600
Speaker 1: out inside of the hill. Yeah, you need to you

2492
02:10:59,640 --> 02:11:01,200
Speaker 1: want to have to hunt another day. They could have

2493
02:11:01,280 --> 02:11:03,640
Speaker 1: had a three pound, three ounce pack and had you turniquet. Yeah,

2494
02:11:03,760 --> 02:11:06,360
Speaker 1: very good. That's a great point. So and thank you guys.

2495
02:11:06,440 --> 02:11:08,680
Speaker 1: And I think also too, I mean, what you guys do,

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Speaker 1: hunting is extra positive. And I think we'll live on

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Speaker 1: for a long time. So I think you guys are

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Speaker 1: doing something really special here. So thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Than I look forward to working with you on our

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Speaker 1: secret project, secret double triple A. Right, Thanks guys,