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Speaker 1: back to my friends at MTV and I promoted them

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Speaker 1: to get them on MTV. And I said, wow, this

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Speaker 1: is kind of fun of music publishing. You get to

436
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Speaker 1: find bands and then promote them, and something that you

437
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Speaker 1: can't do write a record company because you're too busy

438
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Speaker 1: going through the paperwork and the red tape. And another

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Speaker 1: band I signed was called Stone Temple Pilot who sold

440
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Speaker 1: seven million records SDP.

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Speaker 3: Stone Tiple Pilots had six number ones that made Billboard

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Speaker 3: Rock charts and one number one album on the Pop

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Speaker 3: charts in nineteen ninety four.

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Speaker 2: That album was called Purple. I loved it. I listened

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Speaker 2: to it a lot.

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Speaker 3: They want to Grammy in nineteen ninety four for Best

447
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Speaker 3: Hard Rock Performance for this song Plush. Their lead singer,

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Speaker 3: Scott Wiland passed away from a drug overdose in December

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Speaker 3: of twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Went downtown in New York during this thing called CMJ

451
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Speaker 1: was called kind of a college music seminar. They all

452
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Speaker 1: the young bands and all the A and R people

453
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Speaker 1: would go to where the hot bands were. I went

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Speaker 1: to the club where the hot bands were all playing.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't get in, so I took my thing out

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Speaker 1: and said, there's some band called Stone Table Pilots that

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Speaker 1: the lawyer has told me about. Let me go see

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Speaker 1: them at this place called the bank. It was a

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Speaker 1: Tuesday night. I walked into the bank, same thing, ainst

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Speaker 1: Counting Crows there with twelve people stone table pilots ripping

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Speaker 1: the plates apart, and all I could think of was

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Speaker 1: that I'm rigan line is pray you bump into a genius.

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Speaker 1: And those are two cases where literally, by chance, I

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Speaker 1: rant into two great artists and sign them and we

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Speaker 1: become life on friends. And then I leave them. I

466
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Speaker 1: and I in my music publishing where I signed them

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Speaker 1: and went over to pH one and what were the

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Speaker 1: first two videos I put on, Don't Table Pilot and

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Speaker 1: Counting Crows. So to me, it's part of the again,

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Speaker 1: that ecosystem where if you just hang around the hoop

471
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Speaker 1: and be and beyond the court and be playing, you're

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Speaker 1: going to be able to touch every aspect of the

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Speaker 1: way fans connect with their artists. And that's where I

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Speaker 1: think I've been lucky to live in that little cyclone or.

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Speaker 3: That sweet spot when you talk about stp from back

476
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Speaker 3: in the day, the Scott Wiland walking into hearing a

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Speaker 3: young Scott Wiland sing, I mean, was it undenied?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 3: It's undeniable because Don't Tail Pilots were so good, so big,

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Speaker 3: rest in peace, Scott Island. But to hear him that

481
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Speaker 3: young and before they had broken out, were you like,

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Speaker 3: how does this band not blow up?

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Speaker 1: You know? It's funny, Bobby. It's like, you know, success

484
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Speaker 1: has a million fathers and failure, but one you know

485
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Speaker 1: when you're in when you're in a club and you're listening,

486
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Speaker 1: and I love so much music. I'm a fan like

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Speaker 1: you are. I just love artists. I respect artists. They

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Speaker 1: have more talent and they're pinky than I do. But

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Speaker 1: they're just you know, I was in a band growing up.

490
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Speaker 1: I was obsessed with trying to be a great artist.

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Speaker 1: But you're in there and you're saying I like this,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not. I don't have any research

493
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Speaker 1: data here. I can't say I'm not a focus group here.

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Speaker 1: It's like I'm saying, but boy, they feel like watching

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Speaker 1: them is like watching the Rolling Stones when I was

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Speaker 1: a kid. I mean, I may be the oldest guy

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Speaker 1: in the room here, but I still think that pretty good. Ears.

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00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 1: There's certainly a nose to smell it and to look

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Speaker 1: around and say something's going on in here. And again

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Speaker 1: I met him and Scott and Dean de Leo and

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Speaker 1: his brother, his brother Scott and Eric the drummer. Great

502
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Speaker 1: guys and it's funny there. As you know from working

503
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Speaker 1: with artists, they could be crazy and evil and mean

504
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Speaker 1: on stage and then you meet them backstage and like, hey,

505
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Speaker 1: how are you? Where are you from? And that's the

506
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Speaker 1: beauty of these artists, it's there. It's the persona that

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Speaker 1: they put out there. You know. One of the nicest

508
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Speaker 1: guys you ever meet is Keith Richards. You see him

509
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Speaker 1: on stage, you don't want to go near him. You're terrified, sweetheart.

510
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: So Scott and I love Scott, and you could see

511
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Speaker 1: he was struggling. But you know the great thing about

512
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Speaker 1: him he was I would see him anywhere, you know,

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Speaker 1: years after when I moved on to VH one and

514
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Speaker 1: would see him and he would be in the dark

515
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Speaker 1: place whatever, his eyes would light up. He is still

516
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Speaker 1: that guy with a heart of gold. Gave me a hug,

517
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Speaker 1: showed me baby pictures. He would be like, you know,

518
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Speaker 1: just the guy. And it broke my heart that we

519
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Speaker 1: lost him, But that's kind of part of the journey

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Speaker 1: we're all on that we look at it, look at

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Speaker 1: you started out, you know hip hop, you know rock,

522
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Speaker 1: and roll. Now you're a kingpin and country. So it's

523
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Speaker 1: about the love we have for music, and you really

524
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Speaker 1: let that music pull you along and take you on

525
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Speaker 1: the journey and hopefully along the way. You know, we

526
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Speaker 1: use some of our own talent to basically go out

527
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Speaker 1: and and curate and pick the good stuff that we are,

528
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Speaker 1: not the good stuff and stuff we think will be.

529
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Speaker 1: We'll work with you, connect with fans, and be a promoter.

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Speaker 1: I always say here at iHeart, which is funny. We

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Speaker 1: haven't talked much about radio here, but all the stuff

532
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Speaker 1: we add at MTV or VH one would never have

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Speaker 1: been a hit without radio. And I used to say

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Speaker 1: to everybody we would get thanked MT would get thanked

535
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Speaker 1: at the Grammys, but it was radio that drove that

536
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Speaker 1: those records home. We were maybe TikTok back then we

537
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Speaker 1: were basically the tip of the sphere, but actually after

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Speaker 1: that it was radio drove at home. Which is why

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Speaker 1: I was so excited to join my longtime brother Bob

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Speaker 1: Pittman to come back here because we could now put

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Speaker 1: a national brand called iHeart Radio on these eight hundred

542
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Speaker 1: and eighty amazing local outlets and sometimes scale up in

543
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Speaker 1: order to take a great idea and share it. I

544
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Speaker 1: used to always say, grow up in my town. If

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Speaker 1: it's a good idea for Schenectady, it's a good idea

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Speaker 1: for America. If the Bobby Bone Show is a good

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Speaker 1: idea in Nashville, it's a great idea for the rest

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Speaker 1: of the country. Because we live now in a nuclear

549
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Speaker 1: society where everybody everybody is everywhere, and we share so

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Speaker 1: many the same likes and dislikes. So for me, radio,

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Speaker 1: to me is probably the most powerful platform I've ever

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Speaker 1: worked on. Certainly didn't get all the pressed like MTV

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Speaker 1: and vh one did in the day. But if you

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Speaker 1: really want to know where the power is, it's you know,

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00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: people listen to your show every morning. When you turn

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Speaker 1: on to an artist, that's when the button is pushed.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

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Speaker 4: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 3: How in the world did you get the coolest job

560
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Speaker 3: in the whole world? It's that because the job that

561
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 3: you're paid to do is awesome. But I know the

562
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Speaker 3: responsibilities of that. But like the Rock and Roll Hall

563
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Speaker 3: of Fame, I don't know what the responsibilities are. That's

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Speaker 3: an awesome job.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Bobby, I only wish I had this job

566
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Speaker 1: in high school because I'd be a lot more popular.

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Speaker 1: But I've been on the board of the Rock and

568
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Speaker 1: Roll Hall of Fame for twenty twenty five years and

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Speaker 1: on the nominating committee, run for thirty five years by

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Speaker 1: Jan Winner, the founder of Rolling Stone, founder publisher, editor,

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00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: and about four years ago he gave it up and

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00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: I was nominated, voted in to run the hall. To

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Speaker 1: run the foundation, it's sometimes the greatest job in the world.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's the worst because no one's ever happy. The

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Speaker 1: people get in or satisfied, the people who don't are upset.

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of like the country music Hall of

577
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: Fame Cooper's Town the baseball Hall of Fame. Every time

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00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: you announced the winners, there's enough people saying, well, how

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00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 1: come zone so didn't get in? What about so and

580
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: so so? For baseball, you got to be batting about

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00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: three hundred to get in Cooper's Town. And music, it's

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00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: much more subjective. But yeah, I love it. It's an

583
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Speaker 1: incredible position to have. I didn't even see it coming.

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Speaker 1: They drafted me on there because I was just happy

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Speaker 1: being on the nominame committee, and I used to work

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Speaker 1: on producing the shows, but to me, it's just part

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Speaker 1: of my life. Music is everything for me, and it's

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Speaker 1: part of the ecosystem I have between iHeart, the Hall

589
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Speaker 1: of Fame, what I do with Robin Hood and I

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Speaker 1: did you know when we started MTV years ago, Bob

591
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Speaker 1: and I and a few others. It's my life's what

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Speaker 1: I do, and I love to live it that way.

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Speaker 3: So if you're to be inducted into the Grand Ole Opry,

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Speaker 3: for example, or the Illuminati or all of these places

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Speaker 3: that you want to be in but you really don't

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Speaker 3: know the exactly what you have to do to get in.

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Speaker 3: Is the rock and Roll Hall of Fame like that

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Speaker 3: where there are no exact there's no exact protocol as

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Speaker 3: to how someone gets into it, just like a feeling

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Speaker 3: amongst a group of people that are voting, or even

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Speaker 3: how to get on the list to be voted for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I figure you're right, Bobby. It's music is very personal, subjective.

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Speaker 1: So the Hall of Fame is really based on artists

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Speaker 1: that truly have contributed to the growth of rock and

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Speaker 1: roll and the impact and artists that have followed them.

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Speaker 1: So it would be not just record sales or ticket sales.

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Speaker 1: It really is the music that was made move culture

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Speaker 1: and did it and influenced artists that followed. I think

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Speaker 1: Barry Gordy had the greatest line of all that he

610
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: used to put on the bottom of every Motown record.

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00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: It said to the young America. And that gives me

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00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: goosebumps every time I hear that, because it was music

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00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: for teenagers, which is where rock and roll came from

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Speaker 1: in the fifties. When it came from, it wasn't one sound.

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Speaker 1: It was an amalgam of rhythm, blues, country, and gospel.

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Speaker 1: So it wasn't like jazz, which was a very neat

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Speaker 1: silo an elite format. Rock and roll was about six

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00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: It was about rebellion. And that's why it's a little

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Speaker 1: bit of subjective category because it's so many different sounds

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Speaker 1: that make up rock and roll, and it's continued to evolve.

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Speaker 1: So we get a lot of people saying, that's not

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Speaker 1: rock and roll. You know, Hank Williams, isn't rock and roll,

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Speaker 1: Dolly part isn't rock and roll? Well, yeah they are.

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Speaker 1: Country was a cornerstone of what rock and roll is

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Speaker 1: all about. Somewhere along the line, rock and roll became

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Speaker 1: known and maybe the sixties and seventies as rock. White

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00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: guys playing guitars, which is an important part. It's important

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00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: part of rock and roll, but it's just one. And

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Speaker 1: that's why sixth of the first ten artists abducted the

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00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: rock and roll things were black. There are and B singers.

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Speaker 1: That was part of the genesis of rock and roll.

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Speaker 1: You listened to the Beatles playing roll over Beethoven that

633
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Speaker 1: was written by Chuck Berry. You listen to Cream or

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Speaker 1: led Zeppelin, some of those great songs were written by

635
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Speaker 1: Willie Dixon, Robert Johnson, and obviously you know the impact

636
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Speaker 1: that Johnny Cash has had on rock and roll. So

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Speaker 1: it's an amalgam. And so that's kind of the bass

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Speaker 1: we use to find really as who should be inducted.

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00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: Were they part of that amalgam, that sound, that collection

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Speaker 1: of sounds that made up rock and roll? And then

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Speaker 1: the way, if you want to really get into the details,

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Speaker 1: there's a nominating committee of thirty people, and thirty people

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Speaker 1: from all walks of like Tom Morello's on that Questlove

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Speaker 1: is on that board, Dave Grohl is on that nominating committee.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about rage against the machine. The guitarists for Rage.

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Speaker 3: Tom Morello graduated from Harvard after receiving a scholarship and

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Speaker 3: political science, and he's right number forty in Rolling Stone's

648
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Speaker 3: Top one hundred greatest Guitarists.

649
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Speaker 2: Moving on to The Roots, which.

650
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Speaker 3: You may have seen as Jimmy Fallons house band, but

651
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 3: the Roots were legit far before Jimmy Fallon. The lead

652
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 3: singer of the Roots, Questlove also Amir Thompson that's his

653
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: real name.

654
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: Was born and raised in Philadelphia.

655
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: His father was a singer, his mom was a model

656
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: and a dancer, and instead of paying for babysitters, they

657
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 3: would take a mere Questlove to shows and have them

658
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: set up the stages before they performed. And finally, let's

659
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 3: talk about Dave Grohl, because not only was Dave Grohl

660
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: the drummer for Nirvana prior to creating the Food Fighters,

661
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 3: he also lived with lead singer Kurt Cobain from Nirvana

662
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 3: for the first eight months they were together. Dave Grohl

663
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 3: once said it was chaos and even wrote a song

664
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 3: about it called Friend of a Friend on the In

665
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 3: Your Honor album in two thousand and five.

666
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: And they come up with thirteen names based on the

667
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: only I guess the number that impacts whether you're in

668
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,479
Speaker 1: eligible is you had to have a record out at

669
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Speaker 1: least or or refirst to record out at least twenty

670
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: five years ago. After that. It really is what I

671
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: just really outlined were the parameters of who should be

672
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: con hitered for induction from that meeting, which is I

673
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: always like to say half debate, half World Wrestling Federation

674
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: and arguing, thirteen names come out. Then those thirteen names,

675
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: Bobby go to a larger voting group of about twelve

676
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: hundred made up probably half of former inductees and others

677
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: from music experts, label current artist, the reviewers, radio programmers,

678
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: and they vote on which of the thirteen nominees will

679
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: get one of the seven six or seven coveted slots

680
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: for performers. And that's really the process. It starts in January,

681
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: and it's a wild meeting because people take the gloves

682
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: off and go at it. In addition, and not to

683
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: get it too much into the minutia here is there

684
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: are three special categories that go along with that. The

685
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: performers group. One is called Musical Excellence producers, songwriters, side men,

686
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: side women who have influenced music, who may not be performers.

687
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: Some performance some not. For example, this year Bernie Taupin,

688
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: the Great Bernie taupmin wrote for Elton John is getting

689
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: in under Music Excellence because of his writing. Last year

690
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: Jimmy Jim and Terry Lewis got in from Musical Excellence

691
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: because they wrote and produced all those great records. This

692
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: year also you've got al Cooper. Al Cooper found Leonard Skinner,

693
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: produced Leonard Skinner. Before that he basically produced and worked

694
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: on played the organ for Bob Dylan and played with

695
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: the Rolling Stones, the Beatles. He was a legendary assidement

696
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: producer and then founded Blood, Sweat and Tears. So where

697
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: do you put a guy in the category like that, Well,

698
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: we put him into Musical Excellence. And sometimes if an

699
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: artist like Ellll Cool Jay And this year in the

700
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: case of Shaka Khan had gotten on the ballot, the

701
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: nominating ballot many many times Bobby, but hadn't been voted

702
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: in by the general voting group, and we are special committee,

703
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: which is the smaller group, will put them in under

704
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: Musical Excellence. And finally, the third category is the domed

705
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: Eritigan Award, which is named after Amederita and legendary head

706
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: of Atlantic Records, founder everyone from Led Zeppelin, Aretha Franklin,

707
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: the Rolling Stones, amazing record executive. And that's for a

708
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 1: non performer. In the past, Bill Graham has gotten out Award,

709
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: David Geffen has gotten out of Ward, Moe Austin, you

710
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: know the legendary record labels. Last year it was Jimmy

711
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: Iveen who was produced Bruce Springsteen. This year it's going

712
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: to be Don Cornelius, who founded Soul Trained or Them

713
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: and Blues. And that's a tough one because everybody, every

714
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: executive in the business wants that one. That's a covenant slot.

715
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 4: We interrupt this interview to bring you a message from

716
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Speaker 4: our sponsor. Welcome back to the Bobby Cast.

717
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 3: You know, you bring up something interesting when you have

718
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 3: humans defining art, and usually you know when you go, hey,

719
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 3: is this rock and roll? This happens to country music?

720
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 3: Is this country music? And people are like, well, that's

721
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: not rock, that's not country. But mostly I see that

722
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 3: people just hold said fast to the idea that the

723
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 3: type of music there was popular when they were in

724
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 3: their formidable years is only the definition of that type

725
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 3: of music.

726
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 2: You know, in country music. I get it. All the time.

727
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: And now I've been lucky enough to work in pop

728
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: and hip hop, in alternative, in country, and so I

729
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 3: feel like I have a pretty good grasp on that.

730
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 3: I'm mostly wrong when it comes to defining anything artistic

731
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: because it's hard to put a label on art generally,

732
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 3: and country music comes from the slave ships from Africa

733
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 3: and European people coming to the United States and with

734
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 3: fiddles and banjos, that's it. And so when people are like, well,

735
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 3: it's not country, it's not like, you know, deep South prairie,

736
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 3: and I'm like, well, if we want to really get

737
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: down to it, that's not country because country music is

738
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: derived from again, people from Africa and people from Europe

739
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 3: coming together and joining. I just find that people, when

740
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 3: they start to try to define art, they're always wrong.

741
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: And I imagine that's so frustrating to you.

742
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 3: When people are like Dolly Parton jay Z and we

743
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 3: could go down and just and pick people, and they go,

744
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 3: that's not rock and roll when they don't even understand

745
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 3: what the the NSS of rock and roll was or is.

746
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: Exactly Bobby, what happened was before your time and even

747
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: almost before my time, because I'm older than you, there

748
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: was top forty radio, like the real like sixties top

749
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: forty radio where they would put Loretta Lynn would be on,

750
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: the Beatles, Bobby Sherman, the Rolling Stones, and the Convoy Trucker.

751
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: Song like. It was just just this collection of songs

752
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: that seventeen year olds had to listen to for whatever reason.

753
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: This kind of whatever wherever American culture was or is

754
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: at that time, has brought together a sound. That's why

755
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: rock and roll is so hard to define, to your point,

756
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: because and you said with country, there's sometimes some country,

757
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 1: kind of old school country fans are saying, no, that's

758
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: not country. Well, country music, just like every other format, evolves,

759
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: and then there's kind of crossroads of it all really

760
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: came in nineteen fifty five with rock and roll, and

761
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 1: that was really because rock roll is not one sound

762
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: you could just it's everything. And that's why when Dolly

763
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: got in, she turned it down originally saying I don't

764
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: want to block another woman who should get in. I'm

765
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: the country, I'm not rock and roll. So I wrote

766
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Speaker 1: her a note and she said, oh, I get it now.

767
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: The answers still know, but you ought to do a

768
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 1: better job telling people who you are. I thought was funny,

769
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: and I said, well, I just got started. But you're right.

770
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: I think the rock and Roll Hall of Fame now

771
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: that you know music constantly evolves, for young for culture,

772
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: it's got to do a job of going back. It's

773
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: not reinventing what it was, it's going back to the

774
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: really the genesis of what rock and roll was, to say,

775
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: this is kind of the path that we followed. But

776
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: you're right. People are always going to point fingers, that's

777
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: not rock and roll. You said, that's not country. It

778
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,479
Speaker 1: is sometimes easier if you're in the jazz world because

779
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: jazz is a very clear lane. It's a beautifullybat format,

780
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: and you could say that's Coltrane, that's Miles Davis, that

781
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: so and so, and rock and roll is kind of

782
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: is really the music of the people. And if you

783
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: look at where a big part of rock and roll

784
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: came from was the South. I mean that's where basically

785
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: so much music outside of jazz came from the South

786
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: in America. That's why the Rolling Stones when they were

787
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: doing their Sticky Figures album, they went down to muscle shows.

788
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: They wanted the muscle shows players to play on some

789
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: of those songs. They wanted to capture that song, that

790
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: sound because dead Flowers very much a part of what

791
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: the Rolling Stones are about, and that came from country music.

792
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: You ever have to is there ever a struggle separate

793
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 3: the art from the artist? Meaning if it turns out

794
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 3: somebody that's really crushed it over the course of twenty

795
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 3: thirty forty years they ain't that good of a person,

796
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 3: or there have been some story like do you ever

797
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 3: go we just can't do it because they're kind of

798
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 3: a douchebag that you know.

799
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: The answer is no, we actually are blind to as

800
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: you would say, the douchebag filter, and that it really

801
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 1: is based on who they are. And by the way,

802
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: some of the rock and roll arts were bad boys

803
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: and bad girls and they broke some they broke some rules,

804
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: and that's kind of why we liked them growing up

805
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: because they we could live like carelessly through their music.

806
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: I mean, Keith Richards, he did every drug under the sun.

807
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: I didn't, but boy, I love that guy. I just

808
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: I just I just lived vi kerosy to Keith Richards,

809
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: you know, to me street fighting man. That was my

810
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: escape from my small town. What can a poor boy do? Gets?

811
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: You know, singing a rock and roll band. So there

812
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: are some of the art and some people have been inductives.

813
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: Maybe one or two said screw you, I'm not going

814
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: to be in this place. You waited too long. I'm

815
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: not coming now. Out of almost three hundred and eighty inductees,

816
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: I think one or two are Maghamdful, I think haven't.

817
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: But for the most part we're blind to that. It

818
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: really is did their music move culture? More importantly, did

819
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: their music did their music move youth culture? I go

820
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: back to those early Motown records, which is basically did

821
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: they create the sound of young America? Rage?

822
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: You get some machines up this year.

823
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 3: I was a big Rage fan, I mean massive, but

824
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: there was always a battle, well we're going to come

825
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 3: out to a football games because I was a massive

826
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 3: Rage fan, and it was either that of Tupac and

827
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 3: it was always so then it was just every other week,

828
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 3: but love Rage against the machine. And you mentioned that

829
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 3: one of the members, one of the selecting members, is yeah,

830
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 3: one of the members of Rage. Now does he have

831
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 3: to leave the room whenever you guys talk about Rage?

832
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: You know, he liked Dave Grohl, who was also a

833
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: member of the nomin committee before his band was nominated.

834
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: They sit patiently in the room. And it's interesting because

835
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: some of these nominated committee members are so tough they

836
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: don't fold easily. So even if the artists is two

837
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: feet away from them, that artist may not get the votes.

838
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: That's how tough this room is. I feel very strange

839
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: being a music fan that I am, that is sitting

840
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: next to Dave Girl and not nominated in the first time. Now,

841
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: in his defense, he was nominated first ballot. He wasn't

842
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: a rage star. Rage Whoo's were not eligible until two

843
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: years ago and they got in. Rage has been and

844
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: it took a few years and Tom set there very

845
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: very quietly. But he has contributed so much to the

846
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame because early on there was

847
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: a criticism of the Hall that it was too it

848
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: was too uppity, too much run by critics who turn

849
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: their nose up at popularity popular music. So bands like

850
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: Kiss Journey couldn't get in rush because this group of

851
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: nominating committee members just thought that that was below them.

852
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: It should be important music. Tom came in of course

853
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 1: with from a from a band that all the critics

854
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: love and said, that's that, you know, rock and roll

855
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: is not it's not jazz, it's not some cool, high

856
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: and inside format. It's of the people. Like I said,

857
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: it's about sex, it's about breaking the rules. So because

858
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: of Tom, a lot of these snooty you might want

859
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: to say, nominating committee members went, you're right, you're right.

860
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: This is the sound of young America. And about five

861
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: six years ago, the floodgame it's opened and you felt

862
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of a democratization of rock and roll

863
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: to balance off just the high inside cool kids on

864
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: the block, and we let into some other people that

865
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: really change young people. I mean Eddie Vedder listened to

866
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: kids growing up. Of course he did. That's what he

867
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: was twelve years old. That's what I mean. We all

868
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: listen to music when we were teens. That may have

869
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: changed our cases, may have changed later on. That's been

870
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: interesting to see those artists in there and Questlove of

871
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 1: course is in the roots, but he's been very open

872
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: about supporting younger artists.

873
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: Now Willie Nelson's up this year as well, which is

874
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: super cool and what is that dynamic like with folks

875
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: in the room again from all walks of life, and

876
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: then Willie Nelson comes up as a guy who you

877
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: have to suggest to be on the ballot and then

878
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 3: actually makes it. But when someone like Willie pops up

879
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 3: that super country or Missy Elliott that is hip hop.

880
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 3: Is that a different conversation than someone who was pretty

881
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 3: down the middle, like as a pop art, like a

882
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 3: Chryl Crow for example.

883
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: That feels like that would be easier for everyone to understand.

884
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 3: Not that one's better than the other, but a lot

885
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 3: of folks can understand Cheryl Crow mainstream, but Willie and

886
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 3: not till later, Missy, they weren't. So is that conversation

887
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 3: different when ours like that had brought up?

888
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: Bobby, it was about six or seven years ago. Because

889
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: you had a group of primarily white people who were

890
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: raised on rock and roll rock excuse me, making the

891
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: decisions early on. It wasn't odd that Hank Williams got

892
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: inducted or Johnny Cash because the early voting really stemmed

893
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: from people who had a knowledge of the fifties. And

894
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: so when you had the original amin arrait again, seymour Stein,

895
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: Bob Krasnow on that committee, they got why Brenda Lee

896
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: should be in the rock roll fame. They got why

897
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: Fatstalmo should be in the rock roll fame. Because they

898
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: understood the really the creation and the genesis of truly

899
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: what was rock and roll. As years went by and

900
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: kind of white rock began to kind of steer the

901
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: perception of the rock roll fame or really the inductee,

902
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: that's where the group kind of fell into a comfort

903
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: zone of a certain sound that was naturally an extension

904
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: of white people playing rock and roll music. Well, what

905
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: I want to do coming in was again not redefined,

906
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: but really go back to the roots and the definite,

907
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: the true definition of rock and roll and begin to

908
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: honor the people who really should do deservedly should be

909
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. So that's

910
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: now that we've I think putting Dolly in last year,

911
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Willie Nelson, who's ninety years old

912
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: this year, automatically gets in first, I mean first ballot.

913
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: I think it took a trailblazer like Dolly to I

914
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: don't say opened the gates, but reopened the gates to

915
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: the true genesis of rock and roll being honored because

916
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: it was happening back in the late eighties when the

917
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame was established, when Johnny Cash, Hank Williams,

918
00:44:54,560 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: Brenda Lee, and again I mentioned earlier that's Domino Charles.

919
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: They were all their hall of fame that kind of

920
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: dipped and faded during the nineties when people kind of,

921
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: I must say, lost sight, but kind of lost track

922
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: of some of the artists that were that really were true,

923
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: true iconic artists the help shape rock and roll, and

924
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm really happy to report that's coming back now.

925
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 2: I when it comes to iHeart, like, what is your

926
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: job exactly?

927
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 3: Because I read your fancy title, which is president of

928
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 3: I because you do everything. I've seen you be involved

929
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 3: in everything period, But president of iHeartMedia Entertainment Enterprises. That's

930
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: a lot of big words that give me a lot

931
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 3: of big different things. So what does that even mean?

932
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 2: John?

933
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: Well, thank you Bob Pittman for dreaming that title up

934
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: when I was I was about to go and do

935
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: yet another startup in twenty ten, I left by a

936
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: common the only people not to be fired, but it

937
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: probably would have been fired because they fired everybody eventually there.

938
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: But to me, the glory days we're going to MTV

939
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: and VH one or I don't want to say, well,

940
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: the way I wanted to run was gone, so I

941
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: decided to lead I was going to run a company

942
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: called Shazam, which is you can hit a hit a

943
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 1: song shazamit. And I thought that could be the next MTV,

944
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 1: the way you could base because you could your users

945
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: were opting in. I know Bobby Bones likes Lady Gaga. Okay, now, okay,

946
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: I'm going to now talk to Bobby about this. Son,

947
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: Bobby Bones loves counting Pros. I'm going to do this.

948
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: John Psychs loves the Rolling Stones. I'm going to connect him.

949
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: You could have a you could have this, this amazing

950
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: algorithm connected you to the people who opted in. And

951
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: then Bob called and said, I'm going to do this.

952
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: I know you like to work. You like Scale, John,

953
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: which I love Scale. And they said we're going to

954
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: take the biggest company that bigger than Google or Facebook

955
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: as far as reach, and kind of want you to

956
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: be a partner on it. And I said, well, I'm

957
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: not that really good at running a radio station. I

958
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,479
Speaker 1: hadn't run one since college, and I'm not really interested

959
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: in running one station in one market. I kind of

960
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: like I've been trained over the years of MTV and

961
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: vh one eying to talk to the country and that's

962
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: hard because hard in this world of narrow casting to

963
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: talk to the country. I liked the idea of amplifying

964
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: a great idea make me better. So I said, you know,

965
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: why don't I just build out taking this platform and

966
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 1: build out relationships. And so we could push a button

967
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: and break an artist, and we could create events on

968
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: other platforms like video act short form video, broadcast television

969
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: events where we can put a lot of people under

970
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: the iHeart umbrella. And then Bob put me with Tom

971
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: Pullman as a partner to Tom runs programming for the

972
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: stations to look for the right artists and help to

973
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: break them and help to put together actually marketing packages,

974
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: which is what I did at MTV all the years

975
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: to try to break artists. And so part of my

976
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: time Tom and I are working on finding the right artists,

977
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: breaking them nationally, using our powerful turbines at radio to

978
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: break them, and the other half of my time looking

979
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: for new places to put all our shows, our award

980
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: shows on Fox. We're about to put jingle Ball to

981
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: another broadcast, huge broadcast network. Our festival is going to

982
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: go on one of the big streams. So I look

983
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: for partners that we can basically take to amplify the

984
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio brand. And then I also deal with the advertisers

985
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 1: with Verse and Discovery warners. That's really to I always

986
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: say to them, don't just run a commercial. Have Bobby

987
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: Bones or Elvis or Ryan talk with their team about

988
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: this movie's about to come out, about this product, is

989
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: this new phone, and humanize it to your point, Bobby,

990
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: about being the trusted companion and not to lie or

991
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 1: be in any way facetious. But if they do believe

992
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: in the product and they are connected with it, talk

993
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: about it. What better way. I mean, television, you have

994
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: to buy a thirty second spot. It's one and done

995
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: and you're gone. This is the time where you could

996
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: actually have this person who you're sitting in the car

997
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: was stuck in traffic for forty five minutes saying unbelievable,

998
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: just that there's this new movie called, you know, called Elvis.

999
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: You know, you might think of Elvis as some old

1000
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 1: fat lounge singer from Vegas. He was like the Clash,

1001
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: He was a punk artist. In fifty nine he upset parents.

1002
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: And you tell that story and the advertisers go, I

1003
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: see radio can do something that no one else can do.

1004
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: So Bob kind of lets me go wherever I want

1005
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: to go here, and I've never had more I've never

1006
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: stayed in the job. That's long, twelve years, but it is.

1007
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: And if I find the right television opportunity, you know,

1008
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: you know with I remember, I think we talked few

1009
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: years ago with the Masked Singer that was coming out,

1010
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: and then and you went on to do IDOL and

1011
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, and I did nothing to do with Idol.

1012
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: I was jealous. I wish I had, but I mean

1013
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: it's something that's you take. And we just put the

1014
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: Breakfast Club on beet. That's something I always figured like

1015
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: that should be. You know, I thought I was tried

1016
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: so hard. I wanted you to go on CMT and

1017
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: they they all the good I don't say the good people,

1018
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,919
Speaker 1: but you know, people who were who were really great

1019
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: at CMT left and they kind of put it all.

1020
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: I wanted one umbrella and they didn't see the power

1021
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: of Bobby Bones that could have been great for CMT.

1022
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: So that's kind of you. That's a long another one

1023
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: of my long answers to your short question of what

1024
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: do you do? It's kind of like every day, every

1025
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: day is a blank slate for me. But at the

1026
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: end of the day. You know, I just have it.

1027
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: I have an agreement with Bob and rich sip. You know,

1028
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: I'd say is it still working? And they go still working?

1029
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: I go, good, I'll hang up.

1030
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 3: It's still working when I come to New York in

1031
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 3: the next year or so. I mean, there are a

1032
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 3: lot more than that, but we can get our schedules

1033
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 3: to line up. I just want to sit down and

1034
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 3: talk artists. I just want to with you, go this artist,

1035
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 3: that artist, this artist, and just hear the stories and

1036
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 3: just document some of these psych's nuggets that.

1037
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 2: We got to get them. We got, we gotta get

1038
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 2: them down.

1039
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 3: You have so many from so many different genres, from

1040
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 3: different eras, So so much respect for me to you

1041
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 3: for you know, the resume that you have built and

1042
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 3: the high level that you've built it. And good luck

1043
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 3: with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And don't

1044
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,439
Speaker 3: think I'm not going to hit you up to go, John,

1045
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 3: I'm in town. Let's get onto microphones. I'm ready to go.

1046
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: You should come. I'm inviting you to the Rock and

1047
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame induction ceremony this November Friday, November third,

1048
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: Barclays and if you want to witness one of those

1049
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: induction ceremonies. There's nothing else like it. It's it is.

1050
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: It is a cavalcade of stars that come in from

1051
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: all genres. Again to our earlier conversation about that makes

1052
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 1: a rock and roll, They're all there on the stage.

1053
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: It'll blow your mind.

1054
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 2: John.

1055
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 3: I appreciate your time and I will see you very soon,

1056
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 3: my friend.

1057
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

1058
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: Bobby s anybuddy love this episode of the Bobby Cast.

1059
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:27,200
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