WEBVTT - Lead w/ John Gallagher Jr. 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.000 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.800 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:07.680 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:10.240 These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:30.760 Done Done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up at 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:31.800 SVU podcast. 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:34.120 I'm one of your hosts, Kara Klank. 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:37.920 And I'm the other one, Lisa Traeger. We talk SVU 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:42.559 true crime. We have celeb guests and at first we 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:45.199 catch up, we chit chat. We pretend I didn't just 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:47.640 go to Kara's house to drop a load of laundry. 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:51.080 I meet her machine. It's like we're just meeting for 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:51.880 the first time. 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:56.280 We've never met. But your daughter's sticker sheets are out 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:57.040 of this world. 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.280 Yeah, and a lot of those, like girlier ones she's 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.160 not really touching. So there's like these pristine, beautiful sheets 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:06.640 about princesses and cupcakes that she doesn't really fuck with 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:08.280 because you know her, no. 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.679 But she was gonna give me a full princess sheet, 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:13.480 and I was like, I can't take this from a child. 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:15.920 It was so good, well because it had all the 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:18.199 little friends and that's what I loved. It had Lumi 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:22.360 air clogs, worth or you know the teapot like I liked. 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:27.080 Yeah, it had all the sidekicks, all the secondary characters. 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.240 Yeah, and so I enjoy little stickers of But she 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:32.040 wanted flounder, which is cute. 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:34.720 Yeah. 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:37.040 I do have very cute children, and I am leaving 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:38.560 them to go on tour. 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:40.000 With Lisa trigger on this. 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:43.720 For this podcast, I obviously have to plug it every 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:47.360 single fucking show here, I am again. Well, it's so 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:51.240 funny because when I listen to other podcasts, I hate 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.880 when they do this, Like I truly cannot hit. 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:57.360 Fast forward fast enough. I hate myself if they don't 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:02.160 come see us. What they gotta we gotta tell them, Yeah, 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:03.320 we gotta let the people know. 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.240 Well people, I mean like somebody just wrote come to Denver. 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:07.920 I go, we were there last month, and she's like, 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:09.360 how did I miss that? So it's like I just 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.680 try to announce every episode because I don't know how 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:14.760 people are taking in their information about us. But go 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:17.280 to That's messed up live dot com. That's got all 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:19.560 the info you need. We are kicking off the tour 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:22.120 in literally two and a half weeks. 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:23.600 From the day that this episode comes out. We're gonna 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:24.000 be in DC. 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.840 That show is almost sold out, so please get tickets 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:31.840 for DC and let's finish that off. But North Carolina Rally, 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:35.400 Atlanta Rally, and Charlotte and then Atlanta. 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:37.799 We need you guys coming on out. 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:39.840 So I know it's summer and you think September is 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:43.320 far away, but it's not, so come on out see us. 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:47.120 And then obviously there's a million other dates on that website, 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.440 but I'm only plugging the September ones because they're the 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:50.120 ones coming up. 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:53.920 Soonest. And then yeah, that's messed up Live dot com 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.520 check it out. What is going on? Lisa? Tell me 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:58.840 what is the word? What is going on? 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:03.600 I didn't look deep into it. I just saw the headlines. 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:06.680 I don't know if you looked deeper. And obviously we're 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.720 in the time machine. Apologize if this is done and gone. 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:14.480 But the Lizo news is shocking, upsetting. Yeah hear, it 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:14.919 is shocked. 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:15.960 I very upsetting. 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:17.720 I just hope it's not real. I hope it's a 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:19.880 cash grab. I hope it's something weird. I hope she 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:22.079 didn't put a banana in someone's pussy and make someone 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:22.720 else eat it. 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:24.840 Like I don't know what else to say, Like. 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.959 Yeah, that was like a sex club I think in Amster, 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:30.520 like a strip sex club in Amsterdam. So maybe it 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:32.280 was just like part of what was going on. It 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.160 wasn't like in the dressing room like oh you know, 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:36.840 here's a banana pussy moment. 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:40.000 This is a lesson to read the whole article. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:42.880 I woke up with like an allergy attack last night 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:44.839 and then was just like scrolling on my phone because 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:46.600 I couldn't get back, and I did it. I fully 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.200 read like all of the information about it. It's a 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.400 little confusing when people are talking about it, though, because 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:55.560 some of it is like her either tour manager or 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.400 her main dancer or something who's like this religious woman 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.120 and they said that she would like proselytize about God 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:03.880 all the time and they'd be like you have to stop, 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:05.600 and she'd be like, I'm never gonna stop. 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.360 Talking about the Lord. And I was like, oh fuck this. 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:11.240 Woman, Like but she also I can't tell some of 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:14.360 the things that Lizzo did versus this woman, like apparently 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.320 one of the dancers was a virgin and they just 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.560 became obsessed with it and talked about it all the time. 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.239 And I thought that was interesting. 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:23.240 Given that you and I have talked many times about 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:25.120 how virginity is like not even real. 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:29.359 Yeah, but also, if this woman loves the Lord, she 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.120 must love that this woman's a virgin, so drop it. 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.080 Like yeah, but they said that the woman who loves 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:37.080 the Lord would also make weird sexual comments and like, 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:40.960 I don't know, Lizo accused the dancers of drinking before rehearsals, 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:45.080 and like, like one woman said that they made weight comments. 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.040 I mean, I hope it's not a cash crop, but 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.480 it is three of them and they all were fired from. 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:53.960 The tour, So who knows. I guess the truth will 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:54.520 come to light. 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:58.240 But well, because on Instagram at the moment, she is 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:02.560 just she's like on vacation with her boyfriend, like she's 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.880 having a good time. So because if she has PRS, 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:07.920 she knew this was coming out, so she did Was 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:11.640 it a shock? Did she go on vacation like because 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:16.080 of this noose stories? I wonder what she's gonna do? 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:17.800 Yeah, me too. 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:22.800 I'm sure she's crafting a response live from vacation right now, 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.240 although this will be much later of course. 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:29.440 Because I also like every abuser should be punished, but 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:33.400 it just it does seem like if you're a white dude, 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:36.960 you could truly, you know, beat Madonna with a baseball 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:40.279 bat and then win an Oscar so like, and it's 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:44.120 usually people of color that are punished. And so it's 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.360 like we're gonna we're gonna punish her to the full 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:49.800 extent of public opinion and the law. Like I know that, 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:53.279 like because because the dudes love it. See women do 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.839 it too, see yeah, like they love it, and that's 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.080 what's worried some And this is like separate, but it 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:00.440 reminds me of the same posts. 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:03.720 But what's the name of the girl who was found 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.320 lying about Carly? 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:11.320 Yeah, like for her, someone posted like you, let's all 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:13.080 stop with the jokes and all this, because you know 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.120 she's gonna be punished to the full extent of the law, 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.640 like of all the like she's gonna serve more time 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:22.240 for this fake thing than most rapists. So and it's 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:25.679 because of like our fervor for the case. 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.280 I think, I know not I feel like she's having 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:32.800 a mental health crisis. They just give her like you know, 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.160 hospitalization as an option or something. 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:38.920 No, there's like a documentary on Netflix. I keep avoiding 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:40.600 because I know it's just going to make me upset. 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:44.919 But it's how like when people are found out guilty 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:47.640 or like someone accuses someone of aus ault, Like there's 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:53.600 just been an influx in people getting charged for false accusations. 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:55.520 Like it's like the Johnny Depp of it all. 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:59.760 Like that, there's just a whole documentary about just like 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:05.880 victims of sex crimes being punished when there are abusers 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.559 are not found guilty and then they're put in jail 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:10.800 and stuff, and I'm just like never in the mood 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:11.320 to watch it. 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:13.920 Yeah, that sounds rough. 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:17.040 I actually just googled the Sherry Peppini case because I 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:18.200 wanted to see what happened to her. 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:20.640 Do you remember her? She was the woman that faked her own. 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:25.040 Kidnapping, but she was a white blonde woman. She did 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:27.440 in twenty twenty two, just get sentenced to eighteen months 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:29.040 in prison, so. 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.040 She's been punished as well. 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:38.240 Yeah, it's just it seems like there's more like excitement 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:45.640 to get the liars than the rapists. Yeah, yeah, interesting, 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:49.240 It's just it's tough. It's all tough. You usually have 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:51.080 a fun, more fun intros. I don't know how we 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:55.360 went from let's slately, lizz Yeah, we get we get, 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:59.240 we can course correct. I am catching up on New York. 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:03.320 I finally finished episode two. I'm halfway through episode three. 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.320 I don't know I'm halfway. I'm no, no, I finished 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:06.920 episode three. 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:08.960 I'm caught up. I'm caught up. 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.680 I started watching a little lamb up. Okay, you're caught 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:13.600 up on Rony. What are we thinking? 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:18.240 I mean, Brinn is doing so much. 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:21.440 I get she's good TV, like definitely when she comes 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:23.640 to the party, Like when she arrives, I'm like, Okay, 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:24.560 this is gonna be good. 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:28.280 But she just feels like she's doing a lot well. 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:31.520 Brian moylan and his Vulture recap wrote something I loved 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.320 where she was like, ugh, this isn't Southampton, but I 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.720 guess this is if you don't own a house in 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.160 the Hampton's, you don't get to complain about what area 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:40.560 other people's houses are in. 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.880 And also, sag Harbor is beautiful, Like I've been there 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.360 and it is gorgeous, and to me it is very 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:50.199 like quintessential Hampton. So I don't really know what's cool 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:50.920 and not cool. 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.240 But Evan, you don't have. 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:55.200 Been like a full Eva ross Katz did a full 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.760 slideshow of like all of the Hampton shade of like Quog. 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:00.920 I mean, you don't have a already in Quog. Who 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:02.720 does that? Like it's like what. 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.440 I'm looking at Sagharbor. Yeah, I mean you'd still have 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:11.600 to be a multimillionaire. Is Sagharbor expensive? The most expensive 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.600 area from May twenty seventeen to May twenty eighteen, So 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:18.559 for one year it was Yeah, I mean then probably 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.720 everybody bought it up and they developed another overdeveloped another area. 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:25.400 You know, like it's Sagharbor is really beautiful. My friend 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:29.360 lives there or has a house there, and she lives 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:30.120 near matt Lower. 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:32.760 I mean, you know, very rich but also canceled. 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:35.520 But you know it's like that's an expensive place to 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.400 be on the Hampton's for sure. But yeah, I agree, 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:41.280 But like I also didn't understand what the big deal 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.080 was with Jenna going to her house to sleep. That 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:46.280 felt like such manufactured shit. And I don't like Jessel. 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.319 I'll say that, no, Jessel is rough. 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:54.480 Jessel's gonna have like a Season two full makeover, full 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.960 personality chat, like she's gonna learn a lot about herself 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:01.440 because she doesn't see herself the way she's acting. She 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.600 really doesn't. I think she's gonna be horrified when she 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:05.719 watches this footage. 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:07.640 I really do. I get it. 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.000 Somebody gives you something and makes you try it on, 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:11.719 and you're like, I don't love it, but you're like, oh, 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:13.480 thank you so much, Like I don't know, just like 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:15.360 say thanks and move. 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.720 On, like or you make it about you, like it 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.600 was an ugly piece of lingerie, but you just go, oh, 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.439 it didn't fit. Yeah, I don't know, it's a little loose, 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.120 but I love it, like you don't there, I don't. 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:30.440 But it was more than the lingerie. It wasn't about 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:33.880 the lingerie. It was her c section scar. It was 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:36.120 about not fucking her husband into yous. It was about 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:39.680 and then getting the most frumpy lingerie like. It wasn't 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.200 about the lingerie. But I think she's just like not 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.199 in tune with her own self to see that or that. 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.520 But also when she was like at an l you 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.480 never want to see that on lingerie, I'm like, what, Like, 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.000 why are you saying like you really wanted to be 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.240 an s or an excess? I'm like, nothing I own 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:56.920 has an s or an excess on it, and I 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:57.680 feel pretty good. 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:01.360 So like, ye, I didn't like that. 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.000 I was like, it's really weird to be like, like, 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.400 I don't know fat Shamy on a Housewives at this 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:08.240 juncture in twenty twenty three. 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:10.880 Well, it's like I said, I don't think she's into 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:12.560 like she married a dude. 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:13.400 She wasn't really that. 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:17.520 Hot for like, yeah, she's just she's in fashion, but 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:21.079 is a fashion victim according to Jenna Lyons. No, the 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.679 Jenna of it all, she's so mature but even like 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:25.800 I just think Brin's maybe not smart enough because she 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.200 was trying to make that connection between Jena, like and 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:32.400 it's like your issues are different. You ditched dinner, lied 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.080 went to a different restaurant and posted photos on your 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:38.680 social media versus Jenna just wanted to sleep in quiet 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.640 and not ruin their party, right, Like why why are 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:42.760 you trying to compare the. 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:47.920 Two so crazy? She she kind of has like Uba 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:48.600 humor light. 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:52.079 We talked about this where it's just like super hot 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:56.760 girl comedy that's not funny, it's uncomfortable, and they just 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:58.560 are not reprimanded for it. 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.560 Did I like blame or did they? What UBA's deal 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:04.880 is she single? Does she have any kids? Like she's 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.000 just like a single gal or what like. I don't 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.079 know anything. I don't remember seeing her house. I don't 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:10.320 remember like anything about her. 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:14.280 Weirdly, she lives in Columbus Circle, and I've never met 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:15.960 anyone that lives in Columbus Circle. 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:20.120 Well, they because I think they have those luxury buildings there, 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:21.800 like by the Mandrion and stuff. 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.080 Sure it's just and she know, she she says she 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:26.839 goes to the Central Park a lot. Like I'm sure 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.679 she's close and like it just seems like such a 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:31.280 wild place to live. 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:35.720 Yeah, that curved mall, that curved mall is just like 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:37.920 what where are we? 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.240 I lived twenty blocks from there, and I never went 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:43.600 into that mall. Like I think I met my friend 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.520 there once for like coffee and was like where are we? Like, 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.160 and my therapist was right there. I just never went 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:51.400 into that freaking place. 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:54.960 Oh I peed at that mall often. I would say 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.440 that was okay, But did you ever go walk around 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.760 eat dinner like I did? Well before I'm moved, you know, 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:03.319 like before you moved to a place and you're just visiting, 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.480 it's like you don't know anything. So I did have 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:07.880 like a birthday dinner up there once with my family, 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:10.880 and then once I lived there, it's like, wait, what. 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:11.880 This happened to me? 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:12.240 A lot? 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:14.559 Like I remember I would visit friends in Brooklyn, and 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:15.920 then when I moved, I was like, I can't believe 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.840 we went to that bar like this firefighter bar or whatever, 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.199 like everything makes more sense. So I have and there 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.160 was an h and M Listen, I've been to that mall. 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:28.320 I have, yeah, and they have a little moleskin. I'm 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.440 not a Moleskin girl, but they have like a notebook 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.480 little thing that I enjoyed, like a whole store or 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.320 like a Kiosk. That's the word I was looking before 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:39.120 that I could not figure out. 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.560 I was like that little thing, the little thing, the 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:42.280 little thingy. 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.200 Oh, my niece and nephews are making fun of their 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:48.920 dad because he got tricked by a Kiosk to buy 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.319 products and they just like made fun of him. 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.680 Wait, and so I will say another thing about Rony 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:55.440 too is I. 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:58.960 Was googling Brinn's ethnicity. 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.440 Only because when she get the fridge open, she goes 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.760 white people, and I go, are you not white? 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:06.600 Because she's very like white passing to me. 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:09.920 So I googled it and apparently it's going to be 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:11.000 in her storyline later. 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.680 It's not all or says Yes. 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.960 I found like one of those chummy articles that's like 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.000 really shitty and like not well written, but like it's 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:22.960 just a bunch of collections of shit about art. It's 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:26.440 like her ethnicity and background will be a storyline in 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:27.360 this coming season. 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:29.400 Yeah, but even if you're white, I think you're allowed 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:30.880 to be like white people are insane. 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.880 Yeah, I guess it just seemed like you came, you 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:36.160 got out of the car, and you were like, I 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:37.680 guess this is an okay part of the Hampton's and 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:39.560 then you can't open a modern fridge and you're like 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:40.280 white people. 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:42.520 It just seemed like all over the place, like she 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:44.960 is always they all are. I mean, that's the whole thing. 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:48.040 And I don't know what's my idea, what is Brian Moylin's, 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:52.920 but like they're not they are archetypes or whatever, you 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:56.680 know what I mean, Like they're coming in with over 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:59.640 a debt, like fifteen years of housewives to have studied, 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.120 so we will never get that authenticity of just like 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:06.720 someone who doesn't know, like even Jenna leaving and they're 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:08.480 like that's so rude, and it's. 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.560 Like I just don't think it's that rude. I don't. 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.680 She's and she gave you the reason, and you guys 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:15.520 keep going it's because you think you're better than us. 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:17.640 In this house is beneath you. And it's like, I 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.840 don't think Jenna thinks that at all. She's quite quiet, 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:25.920 has not started fights, like I don't understand. Yeah, but 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:28.160 the disease Jena Lions has does suck. 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.000 I was researching it. Oh what is it? 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.120 It's like your hair falls out, your teeth fall out, 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:35.560 and you have scars all over your skin. That's why 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.680 she's always wearing so much, so much clothes. And she 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:42.240 has dentures and a wig not a wig of pieces. Yeah, 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.960 it's like this, she has dentures. I knew something was 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:46.040 going on with her teeth. 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.200 Well, she mentioned she had fake teeth. It's on a YouTube. 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:50.600 I went on a deep dive, so I don't know 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.840 where it is what, But I watched a lot of 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.800 press videos that Jenna Lions did to promote her eyelash company. 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:01.000 Because your hair falls out and falls eyelashes were like 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.760 too aggressive for her and she just wanted like regular 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.080 ones and so she created a company. 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:11.160 So what are her what's her eyelashes? I don't remember, 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:12.440 like Lucy's or whatever. 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.800 But the containers also fully biodegradable, recyclable. 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:17.920 And but how are they different from fake eyelashes? Are 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:19.600 there are there individuals or like what? 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.920 Girl? I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:27.680 They're just like lighter, maybe more natural, not as intense 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.960 but easy. No, it's a strip, but like just light brown. 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.320 So it's like you're just wearing lashes. You're not like 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:38.160 I'm wearing lashes. Yeah, you're not like I'm a Kardashian totally. 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:39.200 Yeah. Yeah. 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.760 But she it's funny when you want you bang watch 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.120 like all the like binge watch now, well I can't 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:52.320 remember anyone watch. It is like she just talks about 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.840 the same skirt over and over. She talks about the 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.440 same like elements and all of her because she she 0:16:57.440 --> 0:16:59.680 has this one incredible skirt that she wore to the 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:03.080 Meta and then to Solange's wedding and like she loves 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:04.200 the skirt. 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:05.000 Wow. 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:10.080 Well, I've been following her on Instagram, Jenna, Yes, she's intriguing. 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.480 And when Sy is like granny, it's like, yeah, she's 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:14.800 twenty years older than all of you. 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.399 Like, yes, even she wants to go to bed at 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:18.800 ten and she has a six o'clock call. 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:20.960 I get that, Like, I mean. 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.919 It's it's like they don't realize we're okay having housewives 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:28.560 have fun, Like we're okay with that, Like we're happy 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:30.399 to see you guys enjoy yourselves. You don't have to 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:33.119 fight about who's sleeping in what room, like you really don't. 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.639 It's like they don't understand what we want. But I 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:40.360 just like it, and I like I just I like them. 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:42.760 I'm into it. It's it is a breath of fresh air, 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:47.040 even though they're playing archetypes. Yes, I got one of 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:50.040 our friends into Below Deck Sailing Yacht and they're like 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:52.480 so into it now they watch below Deck Original. 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:52.680 On the flight. 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.639 But so we were watching Sailing at and Magda this 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:58.760 one character is like, uh, you know, I'm just Latina. 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:00.000 It's the Latina energy. 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.520 And then you hear the producer off stage go are 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:06.320 you Latina and she goes no, just on the inside, 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:10.040 oh wow, But she's like it's more fun than being polish. 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:15.600 It's like sure, Magda, Magda baby, No, no, no, no, no, 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:19.320 we can't actually do that. It was really funny. 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:24.280 But she was just really sexy dancing with a deck 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:25.760 guy who used to be a cop. And then it 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:29.479 found like then they mentioned his boyfriend and her boyfriend 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.560 and he flipped out. He's like, you should have told 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:33.879 me blah blah blah, and she was like, well, I'm 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:35.480 supposed to get on a boat and go Hi. I'm MAGNI, 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:37.880 I have a boyfriend, Like, I'm not just dance with you. 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:40.960 It's I don't know, it's a good season. I just 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.560 love it. Oh, I dropped a coin. Did you guys 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:43.800 hear that? 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:46.080 Should we start? 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:46.640 Yeah? 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:49.600 We have more star dives. No, this is good. 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.400 I don't have any other feelings. Let's get going. We've 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:54.760 got a great up for you guys today, a great 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.520 interview from before the strike. 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:05.959 Hang out. We'll be right back hello. Today's episode is 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:11.520 called lead Season ten, episode fifteen, taking you back to 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:16.320 March of nine. For most years, I've been calling it Pika. 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:19.760 You've been calling it the peak episode. Not even how 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:23.040 you say it is pronounced paika. And we will get 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:25.320 to it. But if you know, you know, and a 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.400 lot of you probably know, But this is a good episode. 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.679 It's really twisty in turny, like so we open on 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:35.080 doctor Gilbert Kepler, who is being sentenced. I thought this 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:37.480 man looked familiar, so I looked him up the name. 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:40.560 The guy's name is Lawrence Aroncio. He's been on a 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:42.879 bunch of lawn Order original recipe. I don't think I 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.879 know him from there. He also plays a sackler on 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:48.399 Dope Sick, so I think he must play evil men 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:51.119 a lot. And then, holy shit, I keep digging, and 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:55.600 the dude is married to Anne Dowd. They are married 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:57.679 almost forty years and they have three kids. 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:02.679 Couldn't believe it. Stop yep, Oh my god. And then 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:05.520 I couldn't believe I forgot she's in this fucking episode. 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:06.560 So it's amazing. 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:08.960 So that's a little connect in case you haven't figured 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:11.800 that out. This guy, I think he's done a lot 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:13.720 of theater and stuff like that as well. That's probably 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:17.000 how him and Am met. But he has a decent IMDb. 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:18.720 I just don't know what I really know him from. 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:22.720 And anyway, this guy Kepler is being found guilty on 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:25.880 four accounts of aggravated sexual abuse in the fourth degree. 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:29.159 Anyone who's anyone is in the gallery. It's beens, and 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:32.920 it's Stayblert's Kragan and then it's Grayle's little bitch Faces prosecuting. 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:35.640 They ask this man if he has anything to say. 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:37.480 I don't feel like they really do that, Like there's 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:41.399 like a guilty verdict, like they're like, we find him guilty. 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:43.200 They go through all accounts, guilty, guilty, geising, and then 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:45.000 like anything to say. I don't really feel like they 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:46.879 do that in the show most of the time. But 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.120 what the guy says is I never meant these young 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:50.720 men any harm. 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:53.600 Sure jam so, oh my god. 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:57.080 And by the way, we've scanned the audience to the 0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.560 gallery and it's like a lot of young boys and 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.680 their fans, so we know this guy has been molesting 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:05.520 young boys in some capacity. And his lawyer is mister 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:09.560 Cindy Lauper aka David Thornton aka Lionel Granger. We've been 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:12.000 this is a big episode for Lionel Granger. He is 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:15.480 popping in this EPP. He asks for the Petos bail 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:18.439 to be extended until sentencing, and gray Lik's like, this 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:21.240 man has a nine million dollar family fortune to skip 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:25.080 town with, and his lawyer's like, well, only fucking Grangers 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:25.960 like Bunny paid the. 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:28.480 Half a million with his own money. He's so like 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:30.000 low tempo. 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:33.320 And the judge, who, by the way, is Barry Mordock, 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:36.159 who we have seen in many, many famous episodes as 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:38.919 a defense attorney, has now moved on up and is 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:40.160 Judge Barry Mordoc. 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:42.320 He says, we'll split the baby. 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:44.399 Kepler can stay out on bail as long as he 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:48.040 wears an ankle. Monitor cut to Graylex outside giving a 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:51.320 wintry press conference. She's happy about the ruling, but she's 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:55.040 mad that his sentence is limited to sixteen years. He 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:58.400 violated his oath as a pediatrician, so now we're finding 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.479 out this guy's a fucking pediatrician, which as someone who 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:04.320 has a mother who's a pediatrician. And after we covered 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:07.439 that story that you told us about, like I don't know, 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:10.920 seventy five episodes ago, that was horrific. It's like, that's 0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:15.359 just such a trusted position in someone's life. To fucking 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:18.080 do that is so horrible. And she says he not 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:20.359 only violated his oath, but he shattered the lives of 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:22.520 four boys and their families. And it's like, if you 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:24.800 know anything about predators, there's no way it was only 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:27.199 four boys, like this guy wasn't like, yeah, just for 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:30.680 four times, I'm gonna try this, Like no, Lionel Grainger 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:33.119 starts to muscle through the crowd to get to the 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:37.000 press conference. He serves Cragan and the detectives with a 0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:40.240 subpoena and he goes the NYPD knew that Kepler was 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:43.280 sexually abusing his victims long before they did anything about it, 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:45.480 and not to me, that doesn't sound like our squad. 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:48.320 But Craigan and Benson and Olivia start to scoot away 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:51.560 from the press conference. The press starts closing in on them, 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:53.640 like why did you allow the doctor to molest boys? 0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:56.040 Why do you love pedophiles? Like they're doing their full 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:59.360 like you know, press conference thing. As they are all 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:02.200 walking away, grayla goes, what the hell did you people do? 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:04.440 And it's like get the fuck out of here, gray Lick. 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:06.520 So now that's the credits. 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:09.119 At the top of act one, Daddy, Craigan, Olivia, and 0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:12.000 Elliott are back at the precinct. They're walking and talking stables, 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:14.720 talking shit about Granger and Kepler. But Live is like, 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:17.199 could he be right? Did we take too long to 0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:20.280 bring Kepler in? Stabler's like we played this by the book, 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:23.000 Nit never, he never really wants to apologize for anything. 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:26.959 Craigan explains that Granger's strategy. I don't really get this, 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:30.639 but Grainger's strategy is to blame the NYPD so that 0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:35.480 Kepler gets a lighter sentence on appeal, like, well, you 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:37.600 did something bad, but the cops could have stopped him, 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:39.679 so let's give him less time in jail. Like that 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:42.360 doesn't I don't get the logic, but that's apparently the strat. 0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:46.080 Craigan says that the department will indemnify them, which I 0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:49.240 think means like the bag there, yeah, I think Taylor 0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:54.000 is yeah at the police academy. I guess it's like 0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:56.560 the department will pay for them. When they get personally sued, 0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:58.320 the department pays for them. But when they get to 0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:01.560 Craigan's office, a jeep scratch goes, I'll be the judge 0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:04.080 of that. And it is our best friend Robert John 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:08.200 Burke aka ed Tucker from IAB and this is him 0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:10.840 in his villain era. He is not our cool Olivia's 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:12.919 boyfriend guy, yet we do not like him here and. 0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:15.919 Also an lol because in the real world, yes, IAB 0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:20.520 investigate the cops, but in this twisted handa universe. He 0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:23.320 is evil because he's trying to hold us the cops 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:24.600 still a standard. 0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:28.520 Right, and so Cragan's like, civil suits aren't your jurisdiction, Dog, 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:30.439 and he's like yeah, unless you guys fucked up, and 0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:32.760 Olivia's like, we nailed the guy and got a conviction. 0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:35.160 And Tucker's like, well, then why did the commissioner send 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:36.920 me to clean up the steaming pile of crap you 0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:38.040 left at his doorstep? 0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:40.240 And Stabler goes, oh, did he give you a bag? 0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:40.439 Year? 0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:42.119 Do you like the stench on your hands? And I 0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:44.399 would honestly watch a show that's just these two fighting. 0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:47.680 It's kind of hot. The only thing that reeks around here, 0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:50.200 he said, is how you handle this case? And Tucker says, 0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:54.080 this last victim is on you. So now this is 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:56.439 like very cinematic what happens in the rest of this 0:24:56.520 --> 0:25:01.040 act because it's Stabler talking to Tucker Ben talking to Tucker, 0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:04.640 but in between there's like grainy footage of how they 0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:07.919 handled the case going back like a few weeks. So 0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:10.959 now Stabler and Tucker are one on one with some 0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:13.600 sound recording equipment. It sounds like they're starting a podcast 0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:16.240 on Toxic Man. And masculinity called what did you just 0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:19.959 say to me? And Tucker points out that a fourteen 0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:22.520 year old boy came in and reported Kepler and they 0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:25.280 waited three weeks to collar him, allowing him to abuse 0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:28.480 another victim. And he's like, we needed time to do 0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:32.360 a thorough investigation, says Stabler. Tucker accuses him of dragging ass. 0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:34.560 Why didn't you pick him up right away? And Stabler's like, 0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:36.680 he didn't rape any of his victims, so we didn't 0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:38.919 have any DNA. I didn't want him to lawyer up 0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:41.520 before we had time to collect evidence. And Tucker goes, 0:25:41.520 --> 0:25:44.399 what more evidence do you need? And it's like and 0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:47.000 he goes, Justin mctegue gave you Kepler and a silver platter. 0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:49.240 And it's like someone coming in with an X with 0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:50.880 just an accusation is. 0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:53.400 A silver platter for you? Like he is being annoying. 0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:55.919 Tucker is like, yeah, all you need is an accusation, Like, 0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:58.480 clearly doesn't work in us for you. Stabler's like, dude, 0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:01.399 it would be his word versus the doctor's word. Plus 0:26:01.440 --> 0:26:04.800 this kid, Justin had falsely accused his math teacher last 0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:06.800 year and then changed his story to say it was. 0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:07.919 His pediatrician, who did it. 0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:10.800 We go to a grainy flashback of Justin disclosing to 0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:11.760 Benson and Sabler. 0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:14.760 They brought the teacher in. They bought the teacher a 0:26:14.760 --> 0:26:15.520 lot of takeout. 0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:17.600 There is a ton of takeout on the table when 0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:18.520 they're talking to the teacher. 0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:21.880 Just like extra annoying because it's like when they play 0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:24.320 fast and loose, they're in trouble, and then now when 0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:26.560 they're trying to get all the evidence, they're in trouble. Yeah, 0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:30.119 so it's just like, oh, John Tucker must die. How 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:30.560 about that? 0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:34.480 Yeah? Almost speaking about Tucker his. 0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:38.439 Middle real name and his character's last name. That is 0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:38.960 what I did. 0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:42.040 Speaking of another Tucker though, this man on the teacher 0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:44.240 that they bring in does have a Tucker Carlson haircut, 0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:47.600 and he swears he's never touched anyone. And now Tucker 0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:50.760 is in one on one with Olivia, his future girlfriend, 0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:54.360 who says that they interrogated the teacher for eighteen hours 0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:56.960 and he never gave in. Like when they finally told 0:26:57.040 --> 0:26:59.960 him it was Justin, he proved that Justin's accusation was bullshit. 0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:02.199 So there are photos of the teacher getting cash at 0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:04.359 the time that Justin said he quote unquote touched his 0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:07.520 junk and the same day he busted you for smoking 0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:09.439 weed during lunch, and Justin's like. 0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:11.639 I was scared. I would have gotten expelled, My parents 0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:12.399 would have killed me. 0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:14.840 And Olivia's like, do you know what you've done to 0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:18.840 this teacher? Like I like get scared that there's so 0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:22.919 much on television about falsely accusing a teacher, like you 0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:26.120 do truly like ruin a teacher's life, like just by 0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:27.919 being like, oh, they tried to give me a bad grade, 0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:30.280 even though a ton of teachers are fucking students, so 0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:31.520 never mind. 0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:34.880 Well, yeah, just in the SVU universe, like Billy Porter's episode, 0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:37.440 he didn't do it, and then the one with Betty Gilpin, 0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:40.840 like he lied and said that Buster from Arrested Development 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:43.480 didn't and didn't and it wasn't him. You know, like 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:50.520 the kids in the SVU universe are lying. Yeah, the universe. Yeah, 0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:54.320 and this you believe victims, believe victims. I believe, completely 0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:56.919 believe victims, but a hundred because then we have the 0:27:57.000 --> 0:28:03.320 episode with the team what's that one the I had 0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:05.679 sex with my sister, you know, she's having sex with 0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:09.199 the choir teacher. Yeah, there's a lot of cases in 0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:09.600 and out. 0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:14.040 But the Betty Gilpin episode, she's having Yeah, like the 0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:16.880 teachers are having sex with the kids, for sure. 0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:19.560 But it was Betty Gilpin. But the kid Luca lied 0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:21.280 and said it was you know Buster. 0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:24.600 Yeah. But yeah, it is just like scary that it's 0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:26.840 like you just don't want to if you don't want 0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:28.199 to get a bad grade and you say something like 0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:30.120 that about a teacher, it could truly just like because 0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:32.239 you can't come back from it is the thing, you know, 0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:34.639 you just can't come back from accusations. 0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:35.840 Because we have to take them very seriously. 0:28:35.960 --> 0:28:36.400 Yeah. 0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:39.520 Yeah, but also here the kids like there is a 0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:41.360 you know, because in the other one it's like there 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:43.960 is abuse, but they don't want because there's another one. 0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.840 Is it the Jeanette mccurty one, Yes, the Jeanet mccurty one. 0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:49.040 She accuses a teacher, but it's not the teacher, it's 0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:52.360 it's the boy on the soccer team, yeah, or lacrosse team. 0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:56.320 There's just a lot, there's a lot of these. Yeah, 0:28:56.480 --> 0:28:57.320 there's a lot of these. 0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:00.040 Cut to Tucker talking to Craigan, who explains that the 0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:02.680 teacher quit the business. He couldn't even handle the whispers 0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:04.760 and the looks. He lost his career because this kid 0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:06.440 made up a story. So that's what I'm talking about. 0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:09.280 When he accused Kepler of the same crime, Tucker's like, 0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:10.440 you just let it go. 0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:12.080 And then this other kid got molested. 0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:14.239 And this is annoying because Tucker is acting like he 0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:16.560 doesn't know how it works to actually convict someone of 0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:19.680 an SVU crime, like Craigan spells it out, any decent 0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:24.240 defense attorney would absolutely kill Justin's testimony because of prior lying. 0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:27.600 So he told Benson and Stabler to find another victim, 0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:30.360 and like, one boy is never enough for a guy 0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:33.200 like Kepler, as I said, And so it took them 0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:35.520 three weeks to find Bradley Hicks. And then we get 0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:38.000 into a flashback where Stabler is talking to Bradley Hicks 0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:40.520 about what happened. He said the doctor molested him, he 0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:43.720 describes it. Kepler tells him it was part of his treatment, 0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:47.400 and Stabler tells Craigan that the story matches Justin's story exactly, 0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:49.560 and he gives the go ahead to arrest him. They 0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:53.520 walk in on him mid molestation and he says he 0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:55.880 looks sketchy, as hell like, he covers everything up and 0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:59.560 then he says doctor Kepler says it's urethral milking, which 0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:02.320 I don't like the sound of that at all, and 0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:05.120 so they arrest the doctor right then in there. So 0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:09.440 then Stabler tells Tucker another victim came happy for SVU tattoo. 0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:15.080 We'll get your ethrial milking on our wrist. Sick. Oh 0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:16.840 my god, to look out forever and over. 0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:21.280 And then Stabler tells Tucker that another victim came forward 0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:23.520 when he saw the doctor in cuffs on TV and 0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:26.760 they found that kid's DNA on a glove in Kepler's garbage, 0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:28.880 which they must have had to test a fuckload of gloves. 0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:32.000 So Tucker seems to be getting the big picture. In 0:30:32.080 --> 0:30:34.920 the next scene, Craigan goes Tucker even apologize and maybe 0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:36.520 this is where he starts to make a turn for 0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:39.600 the better, like you know, and Kragan's like, anything more 0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:42.480 on Kepler needs to go through me. Meanwhile, Munch and 0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:44.920 Finn are like, well, while you guys have been fucking 0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:54.800 around with IMDb, I pulled UPDB iab are. 0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:56.360 We switching places in this episode? 0:30:56.560 --> 0:31:00.120 Okay, Friday, I think it would be fun to do 0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:03.400 a Freaky Friday with us two as the main characters. 0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:08.680 It would be funny. Yeah, sorry it is. 0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:13.720 We are very opposite but similar, But it would be wild. 0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:15.480 If I just had to be a mother of two 0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:18.120 and you came and had to clean my apartment, you 0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:19.160 would be like at. 0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:21.640 The fountain throwing the coins in, like get me or 0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:25.800 whatever it is that switches him back. You'd like, for chata, 0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:28.360 get me out of here. Okay. 0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:32.200 So meanwhile, Munch and Finn are like, well, since you 0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:36.240 guys been fucking around with iab I pulled up Kepler's 0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:40.920 lawsuit against Denslow Hospital, which states that Kepler claims he 0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:44.320 knew the hospital knew that he was molesting boys a 0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:47.080 year before the NYPD did, and they didn't stop it. 0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:49.640 And Stabler's like, well, that sounds like it's bullshit. So 0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:52.200 Benson is Stabler go talk to the hospital's attorney and 0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:54.360 he's like, his name's cold Well, and he's like, I 0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:56.560 can't say anything. I can't talk to you, I can't 0:31:56.600 --> 0:31:59.240 comment on pending litigation. But he's like, the hospital did 0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:02.520 not knowing let Kepler molest boys, and liv Is like, well, 0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:05.440 let's ask Kepler, and Stabler's like lady, we can't go 0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:07.680 near that guy. And she's Live, has her little light 0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:10.440 bulb moment and goes, no, if the hospital committed a crime, 0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:12.000 Kepler's a material witness. 0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:14.000 We can investigate that crime. It's different. 0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:16.640 So they go to Kepler's home, which is a brownstone 0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:19.680 in the high sixties the Upper East, and when they 0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:23.000 get there, rut Row there is blood on the threshold. 0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:24.280 The door is open. 0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:27.560 They enter the residence and they find Kepler lying on 0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:31.320 his living room floor, splatter marks everywhere, a golf club 0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:34.920 next to his body, dead as hell. Live calls it in. 0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:39.760 Stabler calls Kragan later in the street. Everyone's bustling. QD 0:32:39.840 --> 0:32:42.760 o'hallerin is like, when can I get my scantron going 0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:45.160 or whatever he calls it, the scan o mattic or something, 0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:48.080 and Olivia is like, give me a second, and then 0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:50.400 lives on the phone getting trying to get Melinda there 0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:52.479 as quick as possible, but there's been a crane collapse 0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:54.440 in the Bronx and so Melinda's up to her elbows 0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:54.960 and bodies. 0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:58.520 And then Munch says, I heard doctor Kepler came down 0:32:58.560 --> 0:32:59.880 with a case of justice prova. 0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:05.680 I never caught that a crane collapse. So Melinda's up 0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:08.959 to her elbows and bodies, like, I never caught that 0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:11.800 in this episode that there was a crane collapse, so 0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:13.200 I just like that. 0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:15.840 I just assumed that there would be a lot of casualties. 0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:19.400 And she's busy, but uh, because she's not exactly going 0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:21.440 to places where there's a lot of living people, you know. 0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:23.440 So she's two hours out. 0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:27.040 They say, so, then we get Munch's cute little line, 0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:29.280 and then Finn goes, more like someone saved the state 0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:31.800 a couple million bucks in a prison cell, and then 0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:33.840 Craigan says, we got to wait on Gray Lick, but 0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:37.240 hold on one goddamn second. Finn goes, that's not Gray Lick, 0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:42.280 who comes striding towards them alongside Daddy Craigan, looking gorgeous 0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:46.240 as ever. But Alexandra Cabbot herself back from witness protection 0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:49.320 in Wisconsin where she was forced to be called Emily 0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:53.400 Olivia looks shocked. Soda Stabler, what a way to end 0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:56.880 and act. So now top of AC two, as Cabot 0:33:56.920 --> 0:34:00.440 is checking out Kepler's bashed in head, she lets the 0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:04.000 detectives know what the new that the new administration called 0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:06.320 Gray Lick back to the Justice Department. So this is 0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:08.960 early nine, which I guess means Obama wanted Gray Lick 0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:09.839 back on his side. 0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:11.560 I can't imagine it. 0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:14.200 But but this is gray Look's last episode. 0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:15.520 She's never seen from again. 0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:20.120 After this press conference on the steps about doctor Kepler. 0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:21.480 She's out. Hooray, she's gone. 0:34:21.840 --> 0:34:25.040 Benson and Stabler are kind of grilling Alex, like, Babe, 0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:26.920 when did you get to town? I mean, like, we 0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:29.560 didn't know anything about this, And Cabin is just kind 0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:31.840 of like scanning the room and getting warmed back up 0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:33.640 to the whole, like being in the room with a 0:34:33.680 --> 0:34:35.640 dead body thing. Like she's been off of it for 0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:38.520 a little while. And she says, I got all your messages. 0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:40.560 I would go to call you and then I would remember. 0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:43.520 And Sabler's like, remember what that We were there when 0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:47.000 you got attempted blown up, And Benson is like, and 0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:50.200 we heard that Valz died in prison. Connor's got extradited 0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:52.440 to Ireland, So you've been out of witness protection for 0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:53.240 three years. 0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:56.640 Like not a Christmas card, not a not a not 0:34:56.719 --> 0:34:59.840 a text. That's annoying. She could still be scared or nervous. 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:02.120 There was a lot, there was car explosions. The fucking 0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:05.839 like gangs were after her, like to make it about them, 0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:08.719 of like why didn't you text? And it's like I 0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:12.680 don't know PTSD bitch, Yeah yeah, tick off. Yeah. 0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:15.239 I think they were just like, wait, or is this 0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:18.440 after the Oh? Yeah, because why does she go to 0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:21.600 the congo later later? 0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:24.200 Yeah? This is the season ten. She she's in. 0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:28.359 She's back in and out right now temporary and stuff like, 0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:31.160 but uh, she does a bunch more than the congo. 0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:35.160 So anyway, they're having this awkward reunion. 0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:35.520 Oh. 0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:37.840 Hallarin interrupts them and tells them that the golf club 0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:40.680 is what killed the guy. Even though nine shots were fired, 0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:43.560 the purpose sucked so bad at aiming. Only one billet 0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:45.520 hit him and it hit him in the knee. So 0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:47.440 on the skin it's called the scan station. I was 0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:50.120 calling it a scantron on the where you take your 0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:53.520 sat on the scan station, which is like this thing 0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:55.600 that scans the whole room and shows you all the 0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:58.160 trajectories of all the bullets. It makes a diagram for 0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:00.359 you so you can see everything. You can see that 0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:02.680 one shot immobilized him. But the purp ran out of 0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:05.279 ammo and finished the job with the golf club, the 0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:08.920 purp left a pair of gloves there as well. Cabot 0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:11.840 calls this overkill, which is kind of like pun intended, 0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:14.960 because he seemed very dead, like his brain was bashed 0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:18.080 in extra hard, and Stabler also says it must have 0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:20.439 been someone he knew there was no forced entry. Could 0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:23.000 have been one of the boys from the trial or 0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:26.080 one of their family members. So then Live starts going, Oh, 0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:28.319 we're just gonna find DNA on that glove and then 0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:30.600 compare it to the victims, and Cabot's like, we actually 0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:32.920 can't do that. She's like, why we have all their DNA, 0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:35.840 and She's like, because they gave their DNA as victims 0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:38.440 of sexual assault, which Olivia knows that you can't do 0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:40.960 because remember when we did Tangled Strands of Justice with 0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:44.319 orphe who she was playing the detective who used rape 0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:47.480 victims DNA to like bust them for larceny and petty crimes. 0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:50.040 So that DNA is sealed, we're going to have to 0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:53.680 ask the family's permission, and Craigan says, go easy. If 0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:55.880 these parents run to the press about this, we're fucked. 0:36:56.160 --> 0:36:58.520 So now we're talking to Justin's mom who says that 0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:00.560 she and Justin went to stay at an island to 0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:02.600 her sister's house to toast the verdict the night before. 0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:04.680 They stayed the night because she got too buzzed and 0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:08.680 drunk from toasting her son's pediatrician and molester going to jail. 0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:11.160 And the mom's like, you're barking up the wrong tree. 0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:13.680 We didn't want his life, we wanted his money. We're 0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:16.200 not gonna get shipped from Denslow Hospital because we all 0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:20.080 signed arbitration papers. Some suit told them that they had 0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:22.840 to sign these papers or Kepler couldn't treat their kids anymore, 0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:25.480 and that they thought he was a good doctor and 0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:28.600 they trusted him, so they all signed. And how fucking 0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:31.719 dark is that this hospital knew probably that this guy 0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:34.319 was doing this shit and got these parents to all 0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:36.640 sign away their rights before it blew up. 0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:39.920 My thing is like, what is it? What's in it 0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:41.759 for the hospital? Just fire him? 0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:45.799 I know what, he's that good of a pediatrician. I 0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:48.759 just don't get I don't get it. I mean, this 0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:52.759 happens constantly the Catholic Church. Everyone Catholic Church do it. 0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:55.640 It's because you take responsibility. If you fire him, then 0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:58.080 you're open to lawsuits and litigation. I think, I think, 0:37:58.120 --> 0:37:59.960 I don't know, that's why I'm just like spitballing. 0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:02.520 But yeah, it's fucked up. 0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:05.319 I mean, this is literally a Catholic church thing where 0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:07.200 they're just like, oh, let's just hide it instead of 0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:09.680 like trying to actually get rid of the problem. So 0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:13.640 then the mom tells them about Lillian Seifeld, whose name 0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:18.120 is almost Seinfeld minus one letter, Kepler's head nurse for years. 0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:21.680 She told the parents not to sign, but then she disappeared. 0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:24.560 So Munch tracks her down at en if it isn't 0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:27.560 Anne fucking Dowd okay, And I wondered if she got 0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:29.360 the script and was like, my husband would make an 0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:32.000 amazing pedophile, Like how are they both cast? I need 0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:34.560 to know why won't the casting director of this show 0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:36.680 come on our show? I really want to know how 0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:39.319 this husband and wife duo got wrapped up in this 0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:40.120 episode together. 0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:45.439 Damn they've been married since nineteen eighty four, yeah, yeah. 0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:48.800 Forty years almost, and they they have three kids. 0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:49.640 It's cute. 0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:53.600 So Munch goes to talk to her and she's like, 0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:57.239 and Munch goes, why haven't we heard about you? And 0:38:57.719 --> 0:38:59.640 she's like, I guess they deleted the records. I don't 0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:01.359 know if they see me talking to you, and it's like, 0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:04.160 who sees me? So now we cut to Lillian in 0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:09.000 a wooden blind's room and I call it an interview room. 0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:11.640 It's a wooden blind's room, and she's spilling it to 0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:15.480 Stabler that she said that the guys told her that 0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:18.200 they would take away her job and her pension. And 0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:20.880 they show her a photo of the Denslow lawyer Coldwell 0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:22.759 and she goes, yes, that's the guy who threatened me. 0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:27.359 And she says she should have done more. And she said, 0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:30.840 normally there's always a nurse chaperone when he does young girls, 0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:33.520 which I actually was just offered yesterday when I went 0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:35.719 to the dermatologist, I was offered for a chaperone to 0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:37.920 come in, for a female doctor to come look at 0:39:37.920 --> 0:39:39.799 my moles. And I was like, I'm okay, I don't 0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:41.759 think if you do anything, I think I'm She was 0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:43.319 like half my size. I was like, I think I 0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:46.400 can fight my way out of this. But I was 0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:48.440 offered a chaperone as an adult. So they're still doing that, 0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:52.120 which is good. But it was busy that day, she said, 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:54.239 and she walked into the wrong room and she saw 0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:56.520 Kepler with Dale Overton, who was one of the boys 0:39:56.520 --> 0:40:00.520 from the trial. She saw Kepler molesting him and they're like, 0:40:00.560 --> 0:40:02.480 and you just let it go. You didn't do anything, 0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:05.440 And she's like, no, I went to HR I reported it. 0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:07.880 Cold Well the lawyer brought me in and said the 0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:10.279 hospital takes this kind of thing very seriously, but that 0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:13.560 it was her word against Kepler's. She said cold Well 0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:16.480 believed her but didn't think a jury would. She threatened 0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:18.640 to come to the cops, but Coldwell said, I'll take 0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:21.000 away your job and your health insurance. And her husband 0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:22.759 is sick, so she didn't know what to do. And 0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:24.480 and Out is such a good actress. 0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:26.359 You really feel for her. You're like, oh my god, 0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:27.719 rock in a hard place. 0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:30.879 But also, if you listen to Doctor Death season two, 0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:33.960 there was this whole fucking thing. 0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:36.640 About a nurse who reported. 0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:39.960 This doctor a million times and no one did anything 0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:42.920 about it. Like, I don't think that hospitals take what 0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:45.960 nurses say about doctors seriously all the time. And my 0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:47.839 mother in law's a nurse and she's told me, like, 0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:49.919 you know, you can get some doctors that just really 0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:51.920 look down on nurses and don't see them as like 0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:54.920 people that are partners in healthcare with them. And so 0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:59.040 sometimes nurses are reporting doctors just like out of spite 0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:02.080 because they're dicks, but all a lot of times they're. 0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:04.759 Doing bad things. And the Doctor. 0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:09.600 Death podcasts really show you how doctors are so like 0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:15.680 immune from checks and balances and like like getting in trouble. 0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:18.279 Like I don't even know how to verbalize this, but like, well, 0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:18.760 they all. 0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:23.480 Have God complexes and it seems like the hospital reiterates 0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:25.120 it to them like confirms. 0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:25.920 Yeah. 0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:28.600 Like in the first season of Doctor Death, this guy 0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:31.080 was fucking killing people and in the second season he 0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:33.600 was telling people they had cancer when they didn't to 0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:34.320 get more money. 0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:34.759 Like it. 0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:38.200 It's fucked and like people are telling on them and 0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:41.279 there are not investigations or the investigations are internal, the 0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:44.280 way that colleges hide investigations and make it all internal 0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:45.680 and don't involve law enforcement. 0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:48.880 Anyways, A lot of people have been talking to me 0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:49.799 about Retrieval. 0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:53.120 Were you one of those people? Have you heard of 0:41:53.160 --> 0:41:53.680 it a movie? 0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:58.920 Yes, No, it's not, it's a podcast series, but multiple 0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:00.759 people have brought it up to me. It was an 0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:05.880 IVF clinic and after a retrieve or egg egg freezing whatever, 0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:10.239 after retrievals IVF, I don't know which one. Like, all 0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:13.000 these women were complaining about pain and they were like 0:42:13.080 --> 0:42:15.640 shut up women. But what was happening was one of 0:42:15.640 --> 0:42:18.480 the nurses was addicted to fetanol was taking all their 0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:21.399 pain meds and switching it out with saline. So all 0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:24.800 these women in horrific pain were just getting saline crying 0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:26.440 for help, and everyone's like, shut up. 0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:29.640 And that's what Doctor Death in season one did as well. 0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:32.239 He was, oh, I'm sorry, That's what dear John did 0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:33.279 in Dirty John. 0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:34.200 Dirty John. 0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:36.719 He was an antithesiologist with a drug problem, and he 0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:38.400 would just take the drugs and not give them to 0:42:38.400 --> 0:42:40.680 the patients, and people would just be screaming about their pain. 0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:46.040 So fucked up, like so fucked up. So okay, So 0:42:47.040 --> 0:42:47.680 poor Lilian. 0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:49.000 They listen. 0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:53.719 Poor Lily, and we could see is between a rock 0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:56.560 and a hard place with this whole thing, and she 0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:58.600 didn't know what to do. Cabint and Craig and we 0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:00.920 pull out to see Cabinet Crag are watching through the 0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:04.479 fishbowl and Cabot's like that hospital is basically the Catholic church. 0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:06.680 They don't care about protecting the boys. They're just plugging 0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:09.440 up the leaks. And they can't get cold well on 0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:14.240 obstruction because as the hospital's attorney, Kepler is also his client, 0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:17.200 and Cabot says they have him on one count of 0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:20.680 obstruction for buying Lilian's silence, and that's just for starters. 0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:22.520 So she does think she can make a case, but 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:26.120 Finn updates the gang that regarding Kepler's murder, they've got nothing. 0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:28.920 All the victims and the family members have airtight alibis. 0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:32.480 Kepler died at approximately one am, and Warner found traces 0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:36.040 of gold plating in his head wounds. CSU also found 0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:38.800 skin cells in the gloves. Warner got a bunch of hits, 0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:41.880 but only one of them is not in jail, Clive 0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:45.040 Linnwood on Fifth Avenue, who also has a gun. It's 0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:47.239 at this point that we should know why are there 0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:49.640 so many hits on these skin cells. It's because of 0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:52.319 the way that they're doing this DNA test. So they 0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:55.000 go to the man's home, Clive Linwood, and a young 0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:58.040 guy opens the door and you can tell he might 0:43:58.120 --> 0:44:00.960 be a little bit developmentally disabled because he's like hi 0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:01.680 my name's Jeff. 0:44:01.680 --> 0:44:02.600 Are you the police? Like? 0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:05.480 He just seems younger than he is. Then he presents 0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:08.120 and the guy playing Jeff is John Gallagher Junior, who 0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:10.200 you might recognize from the newsroom. 0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:11.600 He's also a Broadway baby. 0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:13.560 He was an American idiot and won a Tony for 0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:18.000 Spring Awakening, very very talented. And Benson and Stabler tell 0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:19.880 them they have a search warrant for the place, and 0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:22.719 he goes, want me to help you, so clearly something's up. 0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:25.239 He shows them the gun box, but it's empty, and 0:44:25.280 --> 0:44:27.799 he's like, uh oh ah, and then he tells them 0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:30.319 that the gun is gold ding ding ding, the gold 0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:31.440 plating we just heard about. 0:44:31.840 --> 0:44:33.000 That's where I might have come from. 0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:36.080 Then the parents come home and the dad is played 0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:38.560 by Frederick Lane or Lenney. 0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:39.799 I don't know how you say this name. 0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:40.200 Fair. 0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:43.920 Yeah, he has like one hundred and fifty credits, including 0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:47.279 Dexter New Blood and Eyes of Tammy Fay, which are 0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:49.319 two things I've watched recently. But he has over one 0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:50.880 hundred fifty credits, so he's been in a ton of 0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:53.360 stuff and he's like, where's my gun and they immediately 0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:54.319 start to arrest him. 0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:57.360 He has no clue who he may have murdered. 0:44:57.360 --> 0:44:59.480 They're like, he's like, you're arested for murder and he's like, 0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:02.279 of who, And Jeff the Sun is saying, please don't 0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:03.839 take my dad to jail. Please don't take my dad 0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:05.719 to jail, over and over and that's the end of 0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:11.040 Act two. So Act three Clive Linwood's lawyer is Laurna, 0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:13.960 scary who we talked about recently, and she is scary. 0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:18.040 She goes to Alex's Cabot appeals got so boring you 0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:21.400 came back for more sex capades and sex capades is 0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:23.720 a wild way to think of SVU and the crind 0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:26.239 of crimes they have to deal with, Like what if 0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:28.640 that was also in the running along with sex police 0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:30.480 for the name of the show. Originally they're like, well 0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:32.560 we've got sex Police, sex. 0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:36.280 Capades or Special Victims Unit. But I'm glad they settled 0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:37.120 on what they settled on. 0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:40.239 Laurna is baiting Cabot and is like, you've lost your 0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:43.200 touch and it's like, how dare you, Alex Habit will 0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:46.240 wipe the floor with you. Not only is this guy's 0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:48.800 handgun missing, but his DNA was found at the scene 0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:51.200 and they have the DNA because of a menacing charge. 0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:52.880 So then he tells them the whole story about the 0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:55.160 menacing charge and he's not relatable at all, but he 0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:57.839 thinks he is. He's like, I'm headed back from the Hamptons, right, 0:45:57.880 --> 0:45:59.799 I get pulled over and get asked to take us 0:45:59.800 --> 0:46:02.320 a variety test. I made a joke to the trooper 0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:05.640 about him having something against guys who drive maseratis. He 0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:08.240 got pissy, and Stabler goes, maybe because of the point 0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:11.360 two you blew into the breathalyser, which that is drunk, 0:46:11.440 --> 0:46:14.960 Like I really, that's super wasted, like you usually hear 0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:19.000 of high ones and like point two, that's fucked. So 0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:22.759 Clive says, because he had a Swiss Army knife in 0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:25.840 the console, the trooper said that he would up the 0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:29.360 dui to menacing because he had a weapon. And Cabot asks, 0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:32.560 how did your DNA get into Kepler's Brownstone? And Scary's like, 0:46:32.760 --> 0:46:34.879 here's the fun part. We don't have to explain shit. 0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:37.839 See you in court and she's like, deuces, we're out. 0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:41.240 And then at arraignment, Cabot is reunited with her best friend, 0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:45.880 Judge Lena Petrovski. Scary argues the prosecution has no evidence, 0:46:45.920 --> 0:46:49.319 and Petrovski's like, what about the DNA. Scary goes, there 0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:52.520 are thirteen genetic markers that need to be matched in order. 0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:55.359 That's the standard. This man was ided with only five 0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:58.000 and a half. And then Cabot's like, there's a one 0:46:58.040 --> 0:46:59.960 in a million chance that it could be someone else. 0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:03.040 And then Scary goes, if you compare those markers to 0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:05.239 the people in the New York database, the number goes 0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:07.560 down to one in three, and I'm like, the math 0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:10.080 is not mathing for me. I don't understand how that's 0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:12.680 the truth. Like, if it's five and a half markers 0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:14.279 then and it's one on a million, then it's one 0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:17.640 in a million. But Scary also she goes, it could 0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:19.239 be that guy who killed him. It could be that guy, 0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:21.360 or it could be that guy who's actually on the 0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:24.000 FBI DNA Advisory Board, and he will back me up. 0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:26.160 And so she brings in the big guns from the FBI, 0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:30.400 and Cabot is like, Petrovski, Babe, my friend, the courts 0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:32.680 have never ruled against law enforcement on this issue. And 0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:35.040 Petrovski's like, don't threaten me with a good time, and 0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:38.040 she throws the DNA match out. She goes, there's a 0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:40.760 first time for everything, and then she dismisses the charges 0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:43.680 because now without the DNA there's nothing, and then she 0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:46.879 gives the cumeer finger to Cabot. She goes, I'm glad 0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:49.760 you're back, Alexandra. Try to show up prepared next time. 0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:54.480 Burn a very very sick burn from Petrofsky. Live and 0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:57.200 Elliott are now trying to find something else to link 0:47:57.280 --> 0:48:01.000 Lynnwood to Kepler. To me, it doesn't seem like it 0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:03.399 would be that difficult to do, but I'll get into 0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:05.359 that when we find out what the link is. They're 0:48:05.360 --> 0:48:08.600 talking to o'haleran, who shows them a fingerprint that was 0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:12.280 literally etched into the bullet from being heated up when fired. 0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:15.200 And this shows that the gunman didn't wear gloves to 0:48:15.239 --> 0:48:18.000 load the gun, but also that print's not in the system, 0:48:18.120 --> 0:48:20.799 so we're kind of at a dead end. O'haleran also 0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:22.719 put his own print on a bullet, but that one 0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:25.319 didn't etch, and he go They're like, why didn't your 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:27.279 print show up? And he goes, because I'm a vegetarian, 0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:30.160 and I'm like, ooh, go on. He says, fingerprints are 0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:33.160 chemical secretions. We secrete what we eat. His prints are 0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:35.920 less likely to corrode metal because his diet is lower 0:48:35.960 --> 0:48:37.719 in sodium. And I was like, well, that knocked me 0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:40.400 right off my high horse, because I eat plenty of sodium. 0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:43.399 Like I am, cheese is replacing meat for me. I'm 0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:46.440 sodium to the highest degree. And I am definitely getting 0:48:46.520 --> 0:48:50.360 my fingerprints etched into a bullet. So this guy, they said, 0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:52.960 either eats too much salt or he works around it. 0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:55.719 Live has another light bulb moment. Thank god she works 0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:58.200 on this squad. She's like, oh, like at a fast 0:48:58.280 --> 0:49:02.160 food restaurant. Jeff, the son of Clive, was wearing a 0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:05.000 Happy Burger uniform when we went to search the Lindwood home. 0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:08.080 That's why Clive popped on the DNA. He shares half 0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:10.959 his DNA with his son. Cut to Elliott leading Jeff 0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:14.120 into an interview room. He's drinking a soda. He's jazz 0:49:14.160 --> 0:49:16.359 because he got to ride in a police car. Then 0:49:16.360 --> 0:49:18.239 he's done with his soda. Lives like, let me take 0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:21.000 that for you, obviously doing the old DNA trickery. 0:49:21.200 --> 0:49:23.480 But she touches it with her full hands, like I 0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:26.400 was watching her. She truly grabs it with two hands. 0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:28.200 All her prints are on it, like usually they're a 0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:29.160 little more careful. 0:49:29.520 --> 0:49:31.200 I need from the bottom. 0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:33.960 I saw that too, But also her prints are in 0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:36.359 the system and can be easily like knocked out. 0:49:36.400 --> 0:49:37.279 I guess I don't know. 0:49:37.760 --> 0:49:40.440 Excluded is what I meant to say. So, but I 0:49:40.520 --> 0:49:42.600 did clock that as well. I was like, live hold 0:49:42.640 --> 0:49:45.320 it from the bottom. What's going on? This guy is 0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:46.799 in a great mood. He got to ride in a 0:49:46.840 --> 0:49:49.360 cop car. He's hanging out, he's loving it. He's like, 0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:50.920 am I in trouble? Are you guys going to take 0:49:50.920 --> 0:49:53.400 my prints? And when they ask about the gun, he 0:49:53.480 --> 0:49:55.560 said I'm not supposed to touch it. It's not a toy, 0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:57.680 but that his dad had taken him to the range 0:49:57.680 --> 0:50:00.759 to learn how to shoot before. Meanwhile, Hollarin is like 0:50:01.040 --> 0:50:05.320 right in the next room taking like sweeping the powder 0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:08.279 over the print and taking masking tape to get it 0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:11.320 off the cup, and like we're we're working immediate results 0:50:11.320 --> 0:50:14.960 here from O'Halleran in the next room. So o'haalaran matches 0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:17.400 the print, It's good to go. It's this guy's print. 0:50:17.719 --> 0:50:19.640 Live comes into the room and she kind of like 0:50:19.840 --> 0:50:23.319 lightly mirandizes Jeff She's like, hey, Jeff, you know you 0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:25.040 don't have to talk to us if you don't want to, 0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:27.400 and like we could use something that you say against 0:50:27.440 --> 0:50:29.640 you and you can get a lawyer if you want. 0:50:29.680 --> 0:50:31.720 And he's like, it's okay. I like talking to you. 0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:36.320 You're pretty like obviously she bewitches everyone and he asks 0:50:36.560 --> 0:50:39.600 She asks him, do you know doctor Kepler? He shakes 0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:41.839 his head no, but he won't make eye contact. He's 0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:44.279 clearly lying, and he finally admits that he went to 0:50:44.360 --> 0:50:46.200 Kepler when he was younger, but then he wanted to 0:50:46.239 --> 0:50:48.400 go to a different doctor. And they're like why, and 0:50:48.440 --> 0:50:49.920 he's like, because we learned in school that no one 0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:52.520 is supposed to touch you down there. Kepler told him it 0:50:52.560 --> 0:50:55.520 was okay because he was a doctor. Jeff saw the 0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:58.640 verdict on TV and was mad because Kepler told him 0:50:58.640 --> 0:51:03.360 a lie. So I guess I'm wondering, like the Linwood 0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:06.880 family was never run through the people that would possibly 0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:09.560 know Kepler, like you would obviously know this guy was 0:51:09.560 --> 0:51:11.240 a patient, that this kid was a patient. 0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:12.520 So I don't know. 0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:14.120 It's like, I don't know why they have to like 0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:16.520 connect it this way. It seems pretty obvious if you've 0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:19.840 done the research. And also why did these parents not 0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:22.919 bring him forward as a victim to also like add 0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:24.759 to this guy's sentence, like it would be more count 0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:25.880 the water if. 0:51:25.719 --> 0:51:28.920 He never told the parents, because the doctor said, oh, 0:51:28.960 --> 0:51:31.200 I'm just a doctor, Like I wonder if he didn't 0:51:31.239 --> 0:51:32.480 know anything was even wrong. 0:51:32.880 --> 0:51:34.399 I see what you're saying. 0:51:34.400 --> 0:51:37.440 But they make it seem very soon like the mom 0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:42.040 knew about the abuse because like she hires Granger. You know, 0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:44.120 I don't know, but I don't know. Jeff saw the 0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:46.439 verdict on TV. It made him mad because Kepler lied 0:51:46.440 --> 0:51:48.919 to him. He took his dad's gun to Kepler's house 0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:51.279 and asked him why he lied. Kepler tried to hit 0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:54.560 him with a golf club, but he hit the gun 0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:56.640 and a bullet the bullet the gun went off, and 0:51:56.640 --> 0:51:58.719 the bullet went into his knee and he fell. Then 0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:02.160 this guy, Kepler Jeff stupid, and he Jeff says, that's 0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:03.920 a bad name, and that's what the bullies call me. 0:52:04.360 --> 0:52:06.239 So he shot and shot and shot, but none of 0:52:06.280 --> 0:52:09.640 the bullets hit him. And then Kepler called him an 0:52:09.680 --> 0:52:12.480 idiot and that since there were no bullets left, he 0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:14.120 just started hitting him with the gun. 0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:15.040 Over and over again. 0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:17.440 Then he said the gun got all red and slippery, 0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:19.680 so he moved the golf to the golf club and 0:52:19.760 --> 0:52:23.279 Kepler stopped calling him names then, so he basically just 0:52:23.320 --> 0:52:26.160 confesses to the whole crime, and he says, Dad says, 0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:27.799 if a bully hurts me, I got to fight back 0:52:27.840 --> 0:52:30.840 and kill the bastard. Maybe not the best thing to tell. 0:52:31.360 --> 0:52:35.520 Cragan is in the window talking, you know, is through 0:52:35.520 --> 0:52:38.880 the looking glass. Craigan is on the other side with 0:52:38.960 --> 0:52:42.040 Cabot of the window, and he's like, are you at 0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:45.120 all concerned that he's slow? And that's his word, not mine, 0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:48.960 and the defenses She goes, that's the defenses problem, not mine. 0:52:49.160 --> 0:52:51.720 Arrest him, and it's like that's pretty cold for Alex. 0:52:51.840 --> 0:52:54.760 So as Alex walks out into the bullpen, she sees 0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:57.279 Lionel Granger is back, and this time with Jeff's mom, 0:52:57.320 --> 0:53:01.080 and Cabot's like, this man represents your son's abuser. That's 0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:04.000 a huge conflict of interest, and Granger's like, not when 0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:06.000 the abuser is dead and I have a waiver from 0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:09.760 the estate gross the sky. I mean, Granger I always 0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:11.520 was like high powered, but I didn't realize he was 0:53:11.600 --> 0:53:15.360 like so filthy, and she's like, did she hire you? 0:53:15.400 --> 0:53:18.239 Because you know all Kepler's filthy little secrets. And it's like, 0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:21.160 who better to rep your son than the person who 0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:23.399 that's what Granger says. He goes, who better to rep 0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:25.719 her son than the person who knows everything about the 0:53:25.719 --> 0:53:28.360 man that he killed? And so Jeff comes out and 0:53:28.400 --> 0:53:30.640 the mom hugs him and says, I'm not mad. What 0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:32.759 did you tell them? And he goes the truth just 0:53:32.800 --> 0:53:34.640 like you always say. It's like, I will not be 0:53:34.719 --> 0:53:38.040 telling my kids to tell the cops anything like in 0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:41.399 the words of Luca Celencio Bruno. Baby these kids will 0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:43.200 and not speak when they're at the cops. It's like, 0:53:43.320 --> 0:53:46.040 just call me, do not talk. So she says the 0:53:46.080 --> 0:53:48.919 cops should have her, have called her, but baby boy 0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:51.680 is nineteen and the law doesn't require that. So he 0:53:51.719 --> 0:53:54.960 gets arrested for second degree murder. Granger says he's suffering 0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:57.399 from rape trauma syndrome, and Cabbit goes, okay, then let 0:53:57.400 --> 0:53:59.960 our shrink take a crack at him. Now Huang is 0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:02.839 talking to Jeff. He asks Jeff, do you have any 0:54:02.880 --> 0:54:05.120 trouble sleeping? And Jeff goes, do I get in trouble 0:54:05.120 --> 0:54:08.680 when I'm sleeping. That's silly, So he doesn't. He's not 0:54:08.760 --> 0:54:12.200 processing like questions and sentences the way that like, you know, 0:54:12.239 --> 0:54:14.480 a night normal nineteen year old would be doing. He 0:54:14.600 --> 0:54:17.719 asks if Jeff has nightmares about Kepler and he says 0:54:17.719 --> 0:54:20.280 sometimes he does. He looks like a monster. He's really scary. 0:54:20.640 --> 0:54:22.920 Huang asks Jeff, can you read my business card? And 0:54:22.960 --> 0:54:25.120 he freaks out when he sees that Huang is a doctor, 0:54:25.120 --> 0:54:27.360 and he tries to leave the room. He's like, shoves 0:54:27.440 --> 0:54:30.080 Huang back. Huang hits his head on the table. Stabler 0:54:30.160 --> 0:54:32.160 rushes in to pin him against a wall, which is 0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:34.440 a classic stabler or they should like call that that. 0:54:34.520 --> 0:54:36.239 In wwe like. 0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:39.399 Then he stablers him against the ropes and Jeff keeps 0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:42.080 saying doctors are bad, over and over and over again. 0:54:42.520 --> 0:54:44.600 Huang is on the ground looking kind of just like 0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:46.680 stunned and out of it. But at the top of 0:54:46.719 --> 0:54:49.000 act four, Huang is like, I didn't black out. I'm 0:54:49.040 --> 0:54:52.000 good to go. I'm fine. Release me, like, let's the 0:54:52.040 --> 0:54:55.160 paramedics go. He thinks there's something really wrong with Jeff. 0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:57.600 He's like he is like a child. He can't process 0:54:57.600 --> 0:55:00.959 a singles a simple sentence. Cabits, he has a job, 0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:04.480 he can read, he takes care of himself. And this is, 0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:07.120 you know, kind of reminiscent to The Third Man, where 0:55:07.360 --> 0:55:09.680 this guy had a job, he couldn't read, but he 0:55:09.719 --> 0:55:12.440 did sort of somehow manage to take care of himself. 0:55:12.520 --> 0:55:14.320 The deniso hair character in that, like he would just 0:55:14.360 --> 0:55:16.840 eat at a diner every day, and he didn't have 0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:18.840 rich parents the way that this kid does, so he 0:55:18.840 --> 0:55:19.760 probably gets a little. 0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:20.080 Bit more help. 0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:24.200 And anyway, she insists that he's confident, but Huang argues, 0:55:24.280 --> 0:55:27.759 he can't handle his emotions or his temper. He's an 0:55:27.760 --> 0:55:29.799 eight year old in a man's body, and I bet 0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:33.920 his IQ is borderline, and she goes, Cabot says, can 0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:36.640 you definitively say that I cannot try him because. 0:55:36.360 --> 0:55:37.720 He's our word. 0:55:38.360 --> 0:55:41.440 Here we go again with the arm and then Huang goes, no, 0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:44.520 I cannot definitively say that. So cut to court, Jeff 0:55:44.600 --> 0:55:47.720 is on the stand. Granger is questioning him. He says 0:55:47.760 --> 0:55:50.360 that the detectives were not nice to him, that they lied, 0:55:50.400 --> 0:55:52.799 that they would punish him, and that the man touched him, 0:55:52.840 --> 0:55:54.160 and he goes, where did the man touch you? And 0:55:54.200 --> 0:55:57.879 he goes on the shoulder and that's why he told 0:55:57.920 --> 0:56:01.160 them that he killed doctor Kepler. Cabot's turn and she goes, 0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:03.719 do you know a boy named Chad Smith? And Jeff's like, 0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:07.560 that's clearly a bully that Jeff beat up. And Jeff's like, 0:56:07.560 --> 0:56:09.560 I don't want to talk about him, like he was 0:56:09.600 --> 0:56:12.480 a bully and whatever. And then Cabot's like, well, you 0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:14.399 broke his nose and two of his ribs, and then 0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:16.279 you said that he hit you first, which was a lie. 0:56:16.600 --> 0:56:18.560 And Jeff's like, why are you being so mean to me? 0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:21.239 Stop yelling at me. I'm not a liar. And then 0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:25.320 as the judge finally sustains like a quick recess or 0:56:25.360 --> 0:56:28.520 an objection, he just bites right into a number two 0:56:28.560 --> 0:56:31.040 pencil that he's holding, like it's a goddamn twizzler. Like 0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:34.799 Jeff just snacks away on a number two pencil. 0:56:34.880 --> 0:56:38.000 And no one reacts. Huang is the oh I wrote. 0:56:38.040 --> 0:56:40.400 Huang is the only one who clocks it somehow, like 0:56:41.040 --> 0:56:41.719 the holy One. 0:56:41.760 --> 0:56:46.360 That's like what, like everyone watches and they're just like 0:56:46.440 --> 0:56:47.480 business as usual. 0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:50.160 He's chomping on a pencil. It is so funny. 0:56:50.640 --> 0:56:54.800 Yeah, it's crazy, so in judge's chambers with Judge Barry Mordock. 0:56:54.880 --> 0:56:58.239 It's Granger and Alex, and Granger wants Alex disciplined for 0:56:58.360 --> 0:57:01.399 badgering Jeff and says his clients are furious, and she goes, 0:57:01.520 --> 0:57:04.560 Jeff is your client, not the parents, and Granger should 0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:07.680 be disqualified as counsel, and he argues he's giving Jeff 0:57:07.680 --> 0:57:10.160 a good defense, and Mordoc pipes in, like, your client 0:57:10.200 --> 0:57:12.200 has as much business being on that stand as. 0:57:12.120 --> 0:57:13.320 I do riding in a rodeo. 0:57:13.760 --> 0:57:17.240 Only a horse's ass would ignore his diminished mental capacity. 0:57:17.720 --> 0:57:18.680 And I love that. 0:57:19.120 --> 0:57:21.400 And Granger goes, Judge, you're out of line, and it's 0:57:21.440 --> 0:57:23.720 like to even say that to a judge, and he goes, 0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:25.760 you're a disgrace to the defense bar Granger, And if 0:57:25.760 --> 0:57:27.680 you don't get your shit together, I'll grant her motion 0:57:27.760 --> 0:57:28.680 and report your ass. 0:57:28.720 --> 0:57:29.120 Get out. 0:57:29.400 --> 0:57:32.160 So Granger leaves and he's like, you stay, Alex, and 0:57:32.200 --> 0:57:34.880 then she and Mordoc have this conversation about the morals 0:57:34.920 --> 0:57:37.000 of all of this, since the guy clearly has some 0:57:37.160 --> 0:57:40.760 kind of developmental delay, and Alex argues that this isn't 0:57:40.760 --> 0:57:43.520 his constitutional law class, this is the real world, and 0:57:43.560 --> 0:57:44.840 he's like, I know you've seen. 0:57:44.680 --> 0:57:46.760 A lot more of the real world than anyone, and. 0:57:46.720 --> 0:57:48.920 I'm glad you're back, but you can't lose sight of 0:57:48.960 --> 0:57:51.520 why you became a lawyer. And the Cabot I remember, 0:57:51.600 --> 0:57:54.880 wouldn't railroad this poor young man, and Cabot looks shook. 0:57:55.360 --> 0:57:57.960 He has touched her and reached her in a place 0:57:58.000 --> 0:58:02.080 that was maybe she thought she left Inisconsin. At Houang's office, 0:58:02.200 --> 0:58:04.880 Caboit apologizes to Wang. Basically, She's like, you were right, 0:58:04.960 --> 0:58:07.760 I was out for blood. Huang's like, listen, I was 0:58:07.840 --> 0:58:09.600 just about to call you. I think I've got it. 0:58:09.960 --> 0:58:12.320 And the sad thing is this all could have been prevented. 0:58:12.440 --> 0:58:13.920 I know what's wrong with Jeff. We got to go 0:58:13.920 --> 0:58:16.360 talk to his mother. So they go to the Linwood home. 0:58:16.440 --> 0:58:18.080 She's about to shut the door in their faces, but 0:58:18.160 --> 0:58:21.200 Houang goes, please missus Linwood, and they just let She 0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:24.120 just lets them in, like he just goes, please missus Linwood, 0:58:24.160 --> 0:58:25.600 and then it's like, all right, come on in, would 0:58:25.600 --> 0:58:26.480 you like a canno pey? 0:58:26.640 --> 0:58:27.520 It's very funny. 0:58:27.720 --> 0:58:31.480 So then when asked if Jeff hit all his developmental 0:58:31.480 --> 0:58:34.240 milestones as a baby, she said yes, he was totally fine. 0:58:34.280 --> 0:58:35.080 Until he was five. 0:58:35.480 --> 0:58:37.960 Then he had a seizure, his brain swelled and we 0:58:37.960 --> 0:58:40.200 thought he was going to die. When he finally recovered, 0:58:40.240 --> 0:58:42.520 he was never the same. Kepler said, it was a 0:58:42.560 --> 0:58:45.919 miracle that he survived. And it's like, fuck, this pediatrician 0:58:46.000 --> 0:58:49.200 knew that jeff had an intellectual disability and still molested him. 0:58:49.280 --> 0:58:52.560 Like that's like, now we're getting that picture, you know. 0:58:52.680 --> 0:58:56.560 That's like fucking horrible. And Kepler told them it was epilepsy, 0:58:56.600 --> 0:59:00.440 and Huang says, well, Kepler missed Jeffrey's Pika beer beer 0:59:00.440 --> 0:59:03.080 beer beer. We've been talking about Pika for so many episodes. 0:59:03.120 --> 0:59:04.160 This is my episode. 0:59:04.320 --> 0:59:06.080 Episodes lives years. 0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:09.880 I've been talking about pika but calling it pica for 0:59:10.000 --> 0:59:13.720 over a decade. Yeah, so this has been the episode 0:59:13.880 --> 0:59:17.080 that has lived within my heart and spirit and mind 0:59:17.680 --> 0:59:20.320 waiting for someone to nibble on a metal like I've 0:59:20.480 --> 0:59:22.960 just been wanting to diagnose in the real world. 0:59:23.480 --> 0:59:24.800 I love this episode. 0:59:24.840 --> 0:59:28.360 This shows just like how lucky we were to have 0:59:28.960 --> 0:59:32.240 you know, bead Wong be the voice of Neil Behar, 0:59:32.520 --> 0:59:36.480 a medical professional, and give us knowledge that can last 0:59:36.560 --> 0:59:41.480 a lifetime. So Cara continue, Yes, I honestly thought in 0:59:41.560 --> 0:59:47.080 my mind too that pika was a acronym, but it's not. 0:59:47.560 --> 0:59:50.640 It is just pika pica, And it's just like pika 0:59:50.760 --> 0:59:54.240 is a rare neurological disease where people compulsively swallow non 0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:57.439 food items. So like Jeffrey chewing on the pencil in court, 0:59:57.480 --> 0:59:59.640 he just puts He's just put tons of shit in 0:59:59.640 --> 1:00:02.960 his mouth his whole life, and his mom like confirms that. 1:00:03.200 --> 1:00:03.439 Well. 1:00:03.480 --> 1:00:05.840 And if this was just a few years later, he 1:00:05.880 --> 1:00:07.600 could have been on a hit show on TLC. 1:00:07.800 --> 1:00:11.440 I eat weird things. Yeah, my strange addiction. You know, 1:00:11.480 --> 1:00:14.000 it's I wonder if people have pika. 1:00:14.120 --> 1:00:17.440 They might people the moment you just read the definition, 1:00:17.480 --> 1:00:18.760 they're eating couch cushions. 1:00:19.000 --> 1:00:23.800 They're fucking bika. Yeah, oh my gosh. So I'm not 1:00:23.880 --> 1:00:28.240 a doctor, correct me if I'm wrong. So they're like, 1:00:28.280 --> 1:00:30.000 they asked the mom did you keep anything? 1:00:30.040 --> 1:00:33.200 And of course somehow she kept all the toy cars 1:00:33.240 --> 1:00:35.120 that her son licked the paint off of when he 1:00:35.240 --> 1:00:38.840 was five, And apparently the dad brought him back a 1:00:38.880 --> 1:00:41.480 bunch of cars from a business trip and he just 1:00:41.640 --> 1:00:44.080 stripped them clear of all of their paint in two 1:00:44.160 --> 1:00:47.400 days because he said it tasted like sour candy. So 1:00:47.520 --> 1:00:50.640 Clive comes in and him and his wife start arguing. 1:00:50.680 --> 1:00:52.560 He's like, did you let them in? And blah blah blah, 1:00:52.600 --> 1:00:55.080 and then Slot Clive's like, so he's a little slow, 1:00:55.080 --> 1:00:57.880 and the wife is like, wake up, he's developmentally delayed. 1:00:57.880 --> 1:00:59.920 He's never going to be the perfect child you always wanted. 1:01:00.400 --> 1:01:02.720 And Huang explains he wasn't born this way and I 1:01:02.760 --> 1:01:05.560 can prove it. Cut to Huang with a PowerPoint baby. 1:01:05.640 --> 1:01:07.400 All of you sing Lady Gaga in your head? Or 1:01:07.440 --> 1:01:08.120 was that just me. 1:01:11.680 --> 1:01:12.040 Baby? 1:01:12.400 --> 1:01:15.240 Oh, the one that she allegedly copied from Madonna. Anyway, 1:01:15.560 --> 1:01:19.000 Cut Tohuang with the PowerPoint baby. He ordered an MRI, 1:01:19.440 --> 1:01:23.440 which was done in lightning record time because yesterday was 1:01:23.480 --> 1:01:25.560 trial and right now he has an MRI in front 1:01:25.600 --> 1:01:27.800 of him, so they obviously threw that kid. 1:01:27.680 --> 1:01:30.840 In an MRI machine very quickly. He already has the results. 1:01:31.080 --> 1:01:33.160 The kid at the pencil yesterday and there are red 1:01:33.200 --> 1:01:36.480 spots on his brain that scan that indicate missing gray matter. 1:01:36.880 --> 1:01:41.000 Chronic lead poisoning stopped his brain from developing. Most kids 1:01:41.080 --> 1:01:44.040 get lead poisoning from like decaying paint. Like my kids 1:01:44.040 --> 1:01:46.520 get tested at the doctor for lead because there are 1:01:46.600 --> 1:01:49.160 trace amounts of lead in water, and they just need 1:01:49.200 --> 1:01:51.120 to make sure, Like even at my kid's daycare, there's 1:01:51.160 --> 1:01:53.440 a sign up that's like we test our water for 1:01:53.520 --> 1:01:56.120 lead and stuff because lead poisoning is really dangerous for 1:01:56.200 --> 1:01:59.000 children because their brains are developing. I doubt it's great 1:01:59.000 --> 1:02:02.120 for adults, but it's not good for kids. And so 1:02:02.160 --> 1:02:04.440 most kids get it from decaying paint, but with kids 1:02:04.480 --> 1:02:06.720 with PIKA are at a higher risk because of like 1:02:06.760 --> 1:02:09.080 the objects that they're putting their mouth, and the lead 1:02:09.120 --> 1:02:12.439 build up probably caused his seizure. High levels of lead 1:02:12.480 --> 1:02:16.040 are also linked to violent behavior in adults. Alex tells us, 1:02:16.680 --> 1:02:20.480 so his emotional and decision making center of the brain 1:02:20.600 --> 1:02:23.720 is badly damaged, which explains why he reacts so violently 1:02:23.800 --> 1:02:27.240 when he gets bullied or you know, when someone calls 1:02:27.320 --> 1:02:31.000 him names. So Kepler never tested Jeff for lad. He 1:02:31.120 --> 1:02:33.560 was very busy being an evil pedophile. And so the 1:02:33.680 --> 1:02:36.440 dad is like, that bastard victimized my son twice. So 1:02:36.720 --> 1:02:41.400 I mean honestly, and Dawd's husband not good. In jail, 1:02:41.760 --> 1:02:43.880 they bring Jeff out to see his parents and he 1:02:43.960 --> 1:02:47.640 seems cheerful, but he's like, oh I get here but no, 1:02:47.760 --> 1:02:50.120 I forgot that she was married to the pedophile because 1:02:50.160 --> 1:02:52.400 I was like, no, that they're not Mary in her 1:02:52.680 --> 1:02:55.560 she was just the secretary, you know, and I remember 1:02:55.600 --> 1:02:58.160 and it was her real life husband and I interrupted 1:02:58.200 --> 1:02:59.200 for no reason. 1:02:59.000 --> 1:03:01.200 Which I don't want to act surely imply is it 1:03:01.280 --> 1:03:01.800 out a file? 1:03:02.080 --> 1:03:07.160 But also we forget, you know, the pedophilia is time consuming. 1:03:07.240 --> 1:03:08.800 It does make you a worse doctor. 1:03:09.360 --> 1:03:13.200 Yeah, hiding what you're doing, like falsifying records, I'm sure 1:03:13.320 --> 1:03:17.240 doing shit like that. So in jail, they bring Jeff 1:03:17.240 --> 1:03:19.240 out to see his parents. He seems cheerful, but he 1:03:19.280 --> 1:03:21.120 tells them he does not like it there. The people 1:03:21.160 --> 1:03:23.600 are not nice. Clive is crying and he's like, why 1:03:23.600 --> 1:03:25.880 are you crying? Dad, And he's like, gives him a hug, 1:03:25.880 --> 1:03:27.880 and he says, I didn't help you enough, and I'm sorry, 1:03:27.880 --> 1:03:30.400 but it's like the dad didn't really do anything. It's 1:03:30.400 --> 1:03:33.400 like if your pediatrician didn't chuck for lead, you gave 1:03:33.480 --> 1:03:34.960 him the I guess he gave him the cars. He 1:03:35.000 --> 1:03:36.840 feels guilty. He was in denial. 1:03:37.480 --> 1:03:39.040 Yeah, yeah. 1:03:39.120 --> 1:03:41.840 You can't get help for someone if you're in denial 1:03:41.840 --> 1:03:42.880 of what's going on with them. 1:03:43.240 --> 1:03:46.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah, so Jeff said I did a bad thing. 1:03:46.680 --> 1:03:48.560 And Granger goes, so, I guess we're not going back 1:03:48.560 --> 1:03:50.840 to trial and Cabot goes, oh, yes we are. 1:03:51.000 --> 1:03:52.920 Boom boom boom boom boom boom. 1:03:52.960 --> 1:03:56.440 So on the stand now is an old ass white 1:03:56.440 --> 1:04:00.120 man who is the president and CEO of Rowan Toys Incorporated. 1:04:00.400 --> 1:04:03.520 And the guy says he's excited because he's there as 1:04:03.560 --> 1:04:05.960 an expert witness about toys. And he's like, look at me, 1:04:06.040 --> 1:04:08.680 I'm the head of toys. And the guy says that 1:04:08.760 --> 1:04:11.439 the toys that Jeff has, they show him the old 1:04:11.480 --> 1:04:13.920 licked off toys and he says, they haven't been made 1:04:13.960 --> 1:04:16.400 with lead paint since the late seventies. And they're like, 1:04:16.400 --> 1:04:18.320 what about the ones that are made overseas and he goes, 1:04:18.320 --> 1:04:20.560 even those get checked and we, you know, we do. 1:04:20.880 --> 1:04:22.880 We have precautions, like they would never be made with 1:04:22.920 --> 1:04:23.680 lead point paint. 1:04:24.000 --> 1:04:24.680 Uh oh bitch. 1:04:24.760 --> 1:04:26.960 The crime lab tested them and found that the paint 1:04:27.000 --> 1:04:30.400 on them is fifty percent lead. Toy man looks shocked, 1:04:30.520 --> 1:04:32.840 then he looks pissed, and he realizes that he thought 1:04:32.840 --> 1:04:35.120 he was being brought in his expert and witness, but 1:04:35.240 --> 1:04:37.680 really they want to bust him for endangering children in 1:04:37.720 --> 1:04:40.480 a court of law on the record. She slaps down 1:04:40.520 --> 1:04:43.880 emails between Rowan and the Chinese manufacturer, which I don't 1:04:43.880 --> 1:04:46.560 know how she got those, which proved that he knowingly 1:04:46.600 --> 1:04:48.440 poisoned children for decades. 1:04:48.680 --> 1:04:50.439 This is fucked. 1:04:50.000 --> 1:04:53.240 He tries to storm out, but Benson and Sabler cuff 1:04:53.320 --> 1:04:55.720 his ass and arrest him for reckless endangerment. He goes, 1:04:55.760 --> 1:04:57.520 I'll have your ass for this to cab It, and 1:04:57.520 --> 1:04:59.800 she goes, I already have yours, and it's on the record. 1:05:00.360 --> 1:05:01.040 She's so good. 1:05:01.520 --> 1:05:05.280 At verdict time, Jeff says he's sorry and he didn't 1:05:05.320 --> 1:05:08.240 mean to hurt anyone. Mordoc finds him. They obviously asked 1:05:08.240 --> 1:05:11.240 for a bench trial. There's no jury. Mordoc files him, 1:05:11.440 --> 1:05:14.920 finds him not guilty by reason of mental defect, and 1:05:15.000 --> 1:05:17.320 per the plea agreement, he'll be hospitalized until he's no 1:05:17.360 --> 1:05:20.080 longer a threat to himself for others. He says goodbye 1:05:20.120 --> 1:05:22.880 to his parents. Cabot says the judge's going to review 1:05:22.880 --> 1:05:24.600 his progress in a month. I don't really think we 1:05:24.640 --> 1:05:25.960 need to get him out in a month. If he's 1:05:26.040 --> 1:05:29.200 like gets so mad that he murders people. We probably 1:05:29.240 --> 1:05:31.000 have to work on him for a little bit longer. 1:05:30.760 --> 1:05:32.000 But he never good. 1:05:32.040 --> 1:05:33.280 He does not even have to go back and live 1:05:33.320 --> 1:05:35.280 with his parents when he gets out. Rowan Toys has 1:05:35.320 --> 1:05:37.880 agreed to support Jeff financially for the rest of his life. 1:05:38.200 --> 1:05:41.120 So in the end, Alex did the right thing. She 1:05:41.320 --> 1:05:45.400 tells Olivia and Stabler that Rowan offered the deal to 1:05:45.440 --> 1:05:47.400 pay for Jeff for the rest of his life so 1:05:47.440 --> 1:05:50.000 that Cabbot wouldn't charge him, but then he signed it 1:05:50.040 --> 1:05:53.080 and Cabot was like psych and told him to shove it. 1:05:53.120 --> 1:05:56.080 And so he's being charged anyway, and he's probably going 1:05:56.080 --> 1:05:58.800 to jail or at least paying a billion dollar class 1:05:58.800 --> 1:06:01.880 action suit. And then they go, you really are back, 1:06:01.920 --> 1:06:05.320 aren't you, Olivia says, and she says that to Cabot, 1:06:05.360 --> 1:06:09.120 and then that is dick Wolf. My baby's a twisty one, 1:06:09.200 --> 1:06:12.960 a good one, A Pika episode, a very pikea episode. 1:06:12.800 --> 1:06:17.560 Yes, a very Pika episode. Listen to our ads and 1:06:17.640 --> 1:06:35.840 we'll see you soon with some real life cases. Okay, 1:06:35.960 --> 1:06:38.600 so we're gonna talk about a few things here. A 1:06:38.640 --> 1:06:43.440 couple cases, one very clear, the other not that clear, 1:06:43.520 --> 1:06:46.360 but we're going to talk about it. And then the 1:06:46.400 --> 1:06:50.080 third is just a little snippet about lead in toys 1:06:50.120 --> 1:06:52.440 and stuff like that, because it did happen close to 1:06:52.480 --> 1:06:55.440 a big case. But I hope you're not disappointed. I 1:06:55.480 --> 1:07:00.000 did less lead research than crime research. But all right, 1:07:00.160 --> 1:07:04.280 So the first case is the Melvin Levine case. This 1:07:04.320 --> 1:07:08.640 is about doctor Melvin Levine, d Levine whatever d for 1:07:08.840 --> 1:07:16.600 douche lord. So doctor Levine was found dead February twenty 1:07:16.600 --> 1:07:20.040 eleven from a self inflicted gunshot wound near the woods 1:07:20.080 --> 1:07:23.080 near his home in North Carolina. He was seventy one 1:07:23.120 --> 1:07:25.280 at the time of death. His death, of course, was 1:07:25.320 --> 1:07:28.840 a day after a class action sexual abuse in malpractice 1:07:28.840 --> 1:07:33.320 suit was filed against him in Boston, So very like 1:07:33.640 --> 1:07:36.800 the SVU episode, but he was also he did it, 1:07:36.880 --> 1:07:39.720 so it's like he victimized everyone multiple times. So like 1:07:40.080 --> 1:07:42.640 all of his victims finally were like, we're going to 1:07:42.680 --> 1:07:45.280 sue this motherfucker, and he took his own life the 1:07:45.280 --> 1:07:45.760 next day. 1:07:46.080 --> 1:07:50.360 That is very Epstein of him. JK. Epstein was murdered, Okay. 1:07:52.360 --> 1:07:56.520 Several plaintiffs said that Lavine's abuse had clouded their lives 1:07:56.520 --> 1:07:59.160 and they hoped for resolution in the lawsuit, but he 1:07:59.240 --> 1:08:02.600 never gave them that chance. The lawsuit charges that doctor 1:08:02.680 --> 1:08:07.480 Levine performed unnecessary genital exams on forty boys while at 1:08:07.480 --> 1:08:10.560 the Children's Hospital of Boston from nineteen sixty six to 1:08:10.680 --> 1:08:13.720 nineteen eighty five. Per the New York Times, The Boston 1:08:13.760 --> 1:08:17.719 Globe reported that several men said that they were young 1:08:17.760 --> 1:08:21.240 boys that doctor Levine groped, fondled, or performed oral sex 1:08:21.280 --> 1:08:24.080 on them. One recalled a trip that he and the 1:08:24.120 --> 1:08:26.160 doctor were in the same bed. I don't know why 1:08:26.160 --> 1:08:28.040 they were taking trips together, but they were on a 1:08:28.040 --> 1:08:30.720 trip together in the same bed, and he took off 1:08:30.720 --> 1:08:32.639 his clothes and put his arm around the boy and 1:08:32.680 --> 1:08:36.120 fondled him. Christopher Dean, fifty at the time of this 1:08:36.160 --> 1:08:39.639 comment in twenty eleven, said that for four years, starting 1:08:39.640 --> 1:08:41.559 when he was nine, he went twice a year to 1:08:41.600 --> 1:08:44.080 that office for a checkup. That was just an occasion 1:08:44.120 --> 1:08:49.120 for melestation. Just motherfucker hunted at schools, so he would 1:08:49.120 --> 1:08:51.679 go to the nurse's office, and then he would recruit 1:08:51.680 --> 1:08:53.280 for private clients. 1:08:53.560 --> 1:08:56.040 But I don't even remember, do you remember, I remember 1:08:56.080 --> 1:08:59.840 a hearing check and an eye on a scoliosis check. 1:09:00.040 --> 1:09:01.120 I don't remember that one. 1:09:01.560 --> 1:09:03.479 We had a scoliosis check, and that one you got 1:09:03.479 --> 1:09:05.479 to wear like a gown and kind of bend over. 1:09:06.439 --> 1:09:10.560 Yeah, so maybe the doctor went to do those scoliosis 1:09:10.680 --> 1:09:12.840 checks and then found you know, these guys know how 1:09:12.840 --> 1:09:14.200 to find their fucking prey. 1:09:14.760 --> 1:09:15.400 Yeah. 1:09:15.560 --> 1:09:18.559 Dean said he cried and was in shock after it happened, 1:09:18.560 --> 1:09:21.599 but he didn't tell anybody, and then you know, there's 1:09:21.640 --> 1:09:24.719 just more cases. So like one man, Donald Roy, said 1:09:24.720 --> 1:09:26.720 that he was abused by the doctor at age ten 1:09:26.760 --> 1:09:31.439 when he was having surgery. He also invited him over 1:09:31.479 --> 1:09:33.680 to his house and he told his mom like, I 1:09:33.720 --> 1:09:35.000 don't want to go, and I don't want to go 1:09:35.040 --> 1:09:36.880 because he molested me. But the mom didn't know what 1:09:36.920 --> 1:09:39.800 to do and so she sent him over anyway. So 1:09:39.840 --> 1:09:43.200 the mom knew the doctor molested him, but sent the 1:09:43.280 --> 1:09:47.240 kid to the doctor's house. Jesus, But I don't your 1:09:47.280 --> 1:09:49.880 mom was a petty pediatrician because I didn't grow up 1:09:49.880 --> 1:09:52.479 with the understanding that you're doing trips and visits with 1:09:52.560 --> 1:09:56.040 your doctor. Is this regional specific to a predator? 1:09:56.200 --> 1:09:58.920 Like what is my mom never had patience over Like, 1:09:59.000 --> 1:10:01.240 that's not a thing that I've she never. 1:10:01.439 --> 1:10:03.000 Yeah, that's not a thing. I don't think. 1:10:03.840 --> 1:10:06.360 I mean, maybe if it's like, at the same time, 1:10:06.439 --> 1:10:08.559 this pediatrician is like a little league coach and has 1:10:08.600 --> 1:10:10.639 a kid or something like that. You know, that could 1:10:10.640 --> 1:10:13.680 be possible, But I don't think in the capacity of like, hey, 1:10:13.720 --> 1:10:15.639 head over to your pediatricians house for a visit. 1:10:15.720 --> 1:10:16.320 That's weird. 1:10:17.040 --> 1:10:21.080 It is I'm trying to understand what this is like 1:10:21.240 --> 1:10:24.200 is it's small town vibes, but this is like Boston area. 1:10:24.439 --> 1:10:27.599 So yeah, I'm confused. Dude. 1:10:27.640 --> 1:10:31.479 The Boston Globe stays working on pedophile cases like they 1:10:31.520 --> 1:10:33.160 are bi that is their beat. 1:10:34.080 --> 1:10:37.160 I know I refuse to subscribe to one more, but 1:10:37.200 --> 1:10:41.000 maybe I have to. Maybe I have to subscribe to 1:10:41.040 --> 1:10:43.400 Boston Globe and maybe cancel my New Yorker. 1:10:43.560 --> 1:10:45.759 Cancel New York Times, and I'll give you my login 1:10:45.800 --> 1:10:47.519 and then you can use my and I'll use your 1:10:47.520 --> 1:10:48.280 Boston I. 1:10:48.280 --> 1:10:51.280 Can't because the Times with my games I really need. 1:10:51.400 --> 1:10:53.439 Oh yeah, you're right, you're right, You're right. 1:10:54.600 --> 1:10:57.439 And we see this on the podcast always like this 1:10:57.560 --> 1:11:01.519 guy had glowing reputations. A glow owing reputation as covers 1:11:01.920 --> 1:11:04.280 they are good people in the community to cover their 1:11:04.320 --> 1:11:07.040 bad behavior. Do not trust a good man ever or 1:11:07.080 --> 1:11:09.880 a bad one or any of them, they will molest 1:11:09.920 --> 1:11:14.120 your children. So he was a leading advocate for children 1:11:14.160 --> 1:11:17.960 with learning disabilities. He had books and a PBS documentary 1:11:18.000 --> 1:11:20.200 and a nationwide schedule of lectures. 1:11:20.720 --> 1:11:22.800 He appeared on the Oprah Winfrey Show. 1:11:23.400 --> 1:11:26.000 He had a nonprofit group called All Kinds of Minds, 1:11:26.040 --> 1:11:29.200 and that was with Charles Schwab, which I think I 1:11:29.240 --> 1:11:32.559 see commercials with the Schwab guy. It's like finance, right, Yeah, 1:11:32.560 --> 1:11:34.040 it's like a bank. 1:11:34.080 --> 1:11:36.360 Basically they do finance. Yeah, might ontworks for them. 1:11:36.479 --> 1:11:40.040 So he's clearly connected. And this group that he did, 1:11:40.080 --> 1:11:43.439 All Kinds of Minds, trained thousands of teachers. So in 1:11:43.439 --> 1:11:45.559 two thousand and four, the New York City Department of 1:11:45.680 --> 1:11:49.200 Education gave All Kinds of Minds a twelve point five 1:11:49.360 --> 1:11:53.520 million dollar contract to train twenty thousand teachers. 1:11:54.920 --> 1:11:55.680 In two thousand and. 1:11:55.720 --> 1:11:58.640 Five, he was named by Scholastic Press the most and 1:11:59.080 --> 1:12:02.080 the most ad my person in education. And his big 1:12:02.120 --> 1:12:05.240 thing that he always talked about was not dismissing a kid, 1:12:05.600 --> 1:12:08.880 but exploring what stopped a kid from learning. And his 1:12:09.040 --> 1:12:12.560 basic tenant was that no child should ever be humiliated. 1:12:13.479 --> 1:12:18.320 That's rich in his lectures, he commonly said avoiding humiliation 1:12:18.479 --> 1:12:19.560 at all costs. 1:12:20.800 --> 1:12:23.360 This guy knows no low. He's guys. 1:12:23.400 --> 1:12:25.920 But these guys like the more fame they get or 1:12:25.960 --> 1:12:27.760 like that kind of thing, it's like that's they're like, 1:12:27.800 --> 1:12:30.280 I'm never gonna get caught, Like I'm just too good. 1:12:30.439 --> 1:12:32.639 Like look, I'm on Oprah, I'm doing this, I'm the teacher, 1:12:32.680 --> 1:12:34.680 I'm the educator of the year. Like they just don't 1:12:34.680 --> 1:12:35.839 think they're ever gonna get caught. 1:12:36.160 --> 1:12:38.800 But not only that, like for your message to be, 1:12:38.960 --> 1:12:44.000 let's not humiliate children and then molest them. 1:12:44.040 --> 1:12:45.240 It's fucking horrible. 1:12:46.840 --> 1:12:50.280 Always with the metal Jimmy Sevial, the other doctor recovered, 1:12:50.400 --> 1:12:52.280 you know, with the surgery, the doctor, the kids that 1:12:52.320 --> 1:12:55.800 they're most vulnerable the most it ugh. 1:12:56.320 --> 1:12:57.920 Ugh. After all this. 1:12:57.880 --> 1:13:02.000 Went down in Massachusetts, he went to North Carolina, and 1:13:02.080 --> 1:13:06.640 guess what happened? Sexual abuse complaints arose in North Carolina. 1:13:07.160 --> 1:13:09.719 So finally, in March two thousand and nine, the North 1:13:09.720 --> 1:13:13.200 Carolina Medical Board was investigating charges, and he agreed to 1:13:13.240 --> 1:13:15.799 never practice medicine again, and he gave up his license. 1:13:16.320 --> 1:13:19.800 He was never convicted on any abuse charges and never 1:13:19.840 --> 1:13:21.000 faced criminal. 1:13:20.680 --> 1:13:24.640 Charges, and then in twenty eleven he just ended it. 1:13:24.880 --> 1:13:27.600 Wait on once, you know, the kids were going to 1:13:27.680 --> 1:13:30.000 get some sort of money or restitution in any way. 1:13:31.280 --> 1:13:36.280 Fuck Psycher, it's so it's so evil. It's evil man. 1:13:36.720 --> 1:13:39.200 So this case is the Gary Hurt case, and maybe 1:13:39.240 --> 1:13:41.880 you're gonna help connect it to this episode. 1:13:42.200 --> 1:13:42.839 We'll see. 1:13:43.240 --> 1:13:46.240 But you know, an interesting case we all love. I 1:13:46.280 --> 1:13:48.240 don't know if we love learning about the horrors of 1:13:48.360 --> 1:13:51.040 the world, but we do. That's why you're listening. You're 1:13:51.080 --> 1:13:54.679 obsessed with us, you're obsessed with Dick Wolf universe, or 1:13:54.760 --> 1:13:55.400 you're a sicko. 1:13:56.600 --> 1:13:58.080 So this is for the sikahs. 1:13:58.960 --> 1:14:01.920 Gary was a high school scholar, a star athlete, an 1:14:02.000 --> 1:14:03.719 Eagle Scout, and a murderer. 1:14:04.479 --> 1:14:06.640 Don't I feel like I should be on dateline? That 1:14:06.800 --> 1:14:09.479 was a good star. That was fucking good dud. 1:14:10.200 --> 1:14:14.759 Gary a high school scholar, star athlete, an Eagle Scout 1:14:15.040 --> 1:14:15.919 and a murderer. 1:14:16.360 --> 1:14:18.080 I love that guy. What's his fucking name again? He 1:14:18.080 --> 1:14:19.240 said my name Keith Keith. 1:14:19.720 --> 1:14:22.080 When I was on dateline, he goes Carol Klink he 1:14:22.120 --> 1:14:23.160 said my name, Just like that. 1:14:23.360 --> 1:14:24.760 You got to get the clip up and get it 1:14:24.800 --> 1:14:26.479 on the gram. The fact that you keep trying it 1:14:26.600 --> 1:14:28.599 out being Keith Morrison, Keith Morrison. 1:14:28.760 --> 1:14:29.639 No, I okay. 1:14:29.720 --> 1:14:31.920 So I it used to be online and then they 1:14:31.920 --> 1:14:33.400 got rid of it. So I always could just send 1:14:33.400 --> 1:14:35.080 anybody the link, and now they got rid of it. 1:14:35.160 --> 1:14:37.760 So I have it on a VHS. I gotta get it, 1:14:37.880 --> 1:14:40.280 take it to Costco and get it like turned into 1:14:40.320 --> 1:14:41.679 a digital file or whatever. 1:14:42.400 --> 1:14:42.719 Okay. 1:14:42.760 --> 1:14:45.360 So anyways, this Gary guy not a good name. Jka 1:14:45.479 --> 1:14:47.600 my childhood friend Gary, thinking about you. 1:14:47.760 --> 1:14:48.040 Okay. 1:14:48.800 --> 1:14:52.759 So this Wisconsin high school senior was charged and arrested 1:14:52.800 --> 1:14:55.600 for the murder of thirty seven year old Glenn Kopitski. 1:14:56.520 --> 1:15:00.120 He sought him out and stalked the substitute teacher and 1:15:00.560 --> 1:15:04.240 killed him. So Kopitski was murdered July thirty first, two 1:15:04.320 --> 1:15:10.519 thousand and three. The sheriff's captain Steve verwel, no way 1:15:10.560 --> 1:15:15.679 that's right. But Captain Steve, he said, I would attribute 1:15:15.680 --> 1:15:17.720 it to arrogance. He just wanted to see if he 1:15:17.760 --> 1:15:21.400 could do it a fun challenge, and so he told 1:15:21.439 --> 1:15:24.040 tons of friends about this, but they didn't believe him. 1:15:24.360 --> 1:15:26.840 And then finally a girl he once dated went to 1:15:26.880 --> 1:15:28.760 the cops because she was scared he was going to 1:15:28.840 --> 1:15:32.120 take his own life out of remorse. So what happened 1:15:32.200 --> 1:15:35.280 to Kopitski was He was shot in the head, stabbed 1:15:35.280 --> 1:15:37.880 twice in the back, and once in the heart. He 1:15:38.000 --> 1:15:40.600 was found dead August second, two thousand and three, so 1:15:40.680 --> 1:15:44.080 about a month after the murder took place in his 1:15:44.280 --> 1:15:51.040 rural house outside of Waya, Wiga. The people in Wisconsin 1:15:51.120 --> 1:15:53.800 in particular get mad when we don't pronounce their towns right. 1:15:53.840 --> 1:15:56.439 I feel like they've come for us before. A lot 1:15:56.479 --> 1:15:58.640 of people, you know, they like their towns to be 1:15:58.680 --> 1:16:00.760 said right. But for some and I do feel like 1:16:00.880 --> 1:16:02.960 the Wisconsin people really come at us. 1:16:03.000 --> 1:16:05.559 But if one of the eighteen hundred people that live 1:16:05.600 --> 1:16:07.720 in this town listens to our podcast, I would love 1:16:07.760 --> 1:16:11.519 them to message us how to really say it. That's 1:16:11.560 --> 1:16:17.400 smaller than my high school. Yeah wow, I really don't 1:16:17.400 --> 1:16:17.680 get it. 1:16:17.720 --> 1:16:20.360 But Wayawiga and it's like, I don't know, you guys 1:16:20.360 --> 1:16:23.040 all stole it from indigenous people. Anyways, we should just 1:16:23.080 --> 1:16:26.760 like be speaking about like speaking like this whatever. It's 1:16:26.760 --> 1:16:29.720 a tiny ass town in Wisconsin, eighteen hundred population. 1:16:29.960 --> 1:16:31.679 Kara looked at my notes and. 1:16:33.439 --> 1:16:37.080 The community is about ninety miles north of Madison, Wisconsin, 1:16:37.160 --> 1:16:38.639 which we will be there soon. 1:16:40.160 --> 1:16:42.639 Come see us. This is a plug we are. 1:16:42.600 --> 1:16:46.000 Plugging we are being the problem now of true crime girls. 1:16:46.680 --> 1:16:48.840 So the murder took place in Madison, and you can 1:16:48.880 --> 1:16:51.479 come check us out live in Madison at the place 1:16:51.520 --> 1:16:55.000 of the murder. So it's home, of course to a 1:16:55.080 --> 1:16:59.120 cheese production company amongst other businesses. And a lot of 1:16:59.160 --> 1:17:03.560 the news just came hammering. This is like so classic Americana. 1:17:03.720 --> 1:17:06.559 Like the news just kept hammering about how great Gary 1:17:06.720 --> 1:17:09.639 was the killer, which is annoying because he's a killer. 1:17:10.080 --> 1:17:12.280 But you know, these celebrated men, they just. 1:17:12.280 --> 1:17:12.960 They love it. 1:17:13.080 --> 1:17:16.280 They love a high school star that commits a crime. 1:17:16.400 --> 1:17:19.280 They love a brock turner. He didn't rape anyone. He's 1:17:19.320 --> 1:17:21.960 a good swimmer, Like that's fucking what they love. 1:17:22.040 --> 1:17:23.960 But my big thing is like can you believe it? 1:17:24.000 --> 1:17:27.000 And it's like, yeah, it's these guys every time, Like 1:17:27.720 --> 1:17:30.440 I would be more shocked if it was a delinquent, honestly. 1:17:31.120 --> 1:17:33.960 So this guy, you know, they kept being like honor 1:17:34.120 --> 1:17:38.559 student vibes, track, wrestling, football, because you know what we 1:17:38.600 --> 1:17:42.519 know about football players a a plus guys. Yeah, he 1:17:42.640 --> 1:17:46.000 was also dating a fourteen year old, which I hate 1:17:46.040 --> 1:17:48.000 because he was eighteen, So I was just like, how 1:17:48.120 --> 1:17:51.920 dare you eighteen date a fourteen year old. Okay, but 1:17:52.280 --> 1:17:54.200 it's fine if it's a fact, because I guess that's 1:17:54.240 --> 1:17:57.000 like a freshman dating a senior, which does happen. Like 1:17:57.080 --> 1:17:59.519 maybe I'm being a prude, maybe I'm being a little much, 1:17:59.560 --> 1:18:02.280 but like freshmen do date seniors. 1:18:03.080 --> 1:18:05.120 But seeing the numbers. 1:18:04.720 --> 1:18:09.400 At freshmen are right out of eighth grade, Like seeing. 1:18:09.080 --> 1:18:11.040 The number is tough, but like it. 1:18:12.080 --> 1:18:16.000 But if someone was like, my son's dating a freshman, No, 1:18:16.160 --> 1:18:19.400 it's gross, it is gross, but yeah, NBC News use 1:18:19.479 --> 1:18:21.800 it as a positive. They were like, he has a 1:18:21.840 --> 1:18:24.479 steady fourteen year old girlfriend, and it's like, well, how 1:18:24.520 --> 1:18:26.799 steady and for how long she is fourteen? 1:18:26.880 --> 1:18:30.000 Like was she thirteen when they started dating? What is happening? 1:18:30.360 --> 1:18:32.160 I will say when I was a freshman, I feel 1:18:32.160 --> 1:18:34.679 like more people were dating juniors and it was more 1:18:34.800 --> 1:18:37.479 rare for her to be senior freshmen. That is kind 1:18:37.560 --> 1:18:40.720 of a really yucky age difference for me. 1:18:41.040 --> 1:18:42.880 It is, but it was only the hottest and the 1:18:42.920 --> 1:18:46.840 coolest of them, So it is just like, I mean, 1:18:46.840 --> 1:18:50.440 that's the twisted darkness too, where it's like it's celebrated 1:18:50.479 --> 1:18:51.920 as a slite, sexy thing. 1:18:53.000 --> 1:18:54.040 Yeah, to like. 1:18:54.120 --> 1:18:58.080 Go to prom as a freshman or whatever. Yeah, yeah, but. 1:18:58.120 --> 1:18:59.599 I just don't get how that was one of their 1:18:59.640 --> 1:19:03.120 positive They're like football, wrestling, Honor Roll and he was 1:19:03.240 --> 1:19:06.400 dating a fourteen year old steadily, Like it's just like 1:19:07.360 --> 1:19:08.880 NBC what happened that day? 1:19:09.280 --> 1:19:12.160 They also were like he's six four two seventy. Is 1:19:12.200 --> 1:19:17.400 this the wwe? Like, I just hate everything. So the 1:19:17.439 --> 1:19:21.559 mayor said classic. The mayor was classic. The kid had 1:19:21.560 --> 1:19:25.080 everything going for him. But what's so funny to me 1:19:25.200 --> 1:19:27.320 is the mayor's name is Mayor Quimby, which is the 1:19:27.360 --> 1:19:30.799 mayor of the Simpsons. Oh my god, really okay funny. 1:19:31.160 --> 1:19:33.559 So Mayor Quimby is the mayor of this town, and 1:19:33.600 --> 1:19:35.800 Mayor Quimby is based on, like I would say, the 1:19:35.880 --> 1:19:38.320 Kennedy family, and like very just corrupt. 1:19:38.320 --> 1:19:41.920 He's a corrupt mayor. So wild to have a Mayor. 1:19:41.840 --> 1:19:45.160 Quimby, and he knew the Hurt family forever. 1:19:45.320 --> 1:19:46.920 It's a tiny town and so. 1:19:46.920 --> 1:19:48.880 He works with him and he's the one that gave 1:19:48.920 --> 1:19:52.360 this guy all his boy Scout merit badges, so the 1:19:52.360 --> 1:19:53.600 whole town couldn't believe it. 1:19:53.680 --> 1:19:55.000 And then the NBC news article. 1:19:55.000 --> 1:19:57.599 I always love when they just talked to a random 1:19:57.640 --> 1:20:00.400 guy from the town. So his name's Paul Well, Paul 1:20:00.439 --> 1:20:03.120 Mayhew owns the Dairy Queen where Hurt also found the 1:20:03.160 --> 1:20:05.040 time to work on the weekends for two and a 1:20:05.080 --> 1:20:07.640 half years. And he said that he's going to keep 1:20:07.720 --> 1:20:11.000 hert's job open for him on trial for murder, but 1:20:11.200 --> 1:20:13.800 the dairy Queen job he's gonna hold open for him, Like, 1:20:14.479 --> 1:20:16.720 get me out of these tiny they say, we're in 1:20:16.720 --> 1:20:17.200 a bubble. 1:20:17.280 --> 1:20:19.120 Honey, You're in a dairy queen bubble. 1:20:20.200 --> 1:20:22.439 He's quoted in two thousand and four in this NBC 1:20:22.600 --> 1:20:25.040 news piece that they're gonna stand by him on what 1:20:25.080 --> 1:20:26.040 they know about him. 1:20:26.200 --> 1:20:28.080 Wait, that reminds me of Guffman when she goes I 1:20:28.080 --> 1:20:29.400 could always go back to the DQ. 1:20:29.760 --> 1:20:33.080 They said, they take me back. That's what Gary, That's 1:20:33.080 --> 1:20:36.600 what Gary was thinking. That was an amazing impression. Thank you, 1:20:37.320 --> 1:20:40.719 thank you so much. More great qualities about this guy. 1:20:40.880 --> 1:20:43.519 Also nothing about the dead man, Like no one in 1:20:43.560 --> 1:20:44.680 any of the articles. 1:20:44.760 --> 1:20:46.200 No one cares about this man. 1:20:46.479 --> 1:20:49.960 No one cares about this dead man who is gruesomely murdered. 1:20:50.320 --> 1:20:53.120 But the Dairy Queen guy was just like ah Gary. 1:20:53.280 --> 1:20:56.719 He was polite, quiet, got along with everyone. He never 1:20:56.880 --> 1:21:00.360 bragg and didn't think too much of himself. Oh, but 1:21:00.439 --> 1:21:01.479 he is a murderer. 1:21:01.600 --> 1:21:02.919 Like, I don't know why. 1:21:03.000 --> 1:21:04.920 It's like when people are like, I mean, Hitler wasn't 1:21:04.920 --> 1:21:06.680 all bad, and it's like, but why do we need 1:21:06.680 --> 1:21:07.120 to find the. 1:21:07.080 --> 1:21:12.160 Good parts of me? Like I don't murder genocidal maniac. 1:21:12.479 --> 1:21:13.880 That knocks out everything else. 1:21:14.320 --> 1:21:16.240 Yeah, it just knocks out that you were good to 1:21:16.280 --> 1:21:17.320 your dog or whatever. 1:21:17.560 --> 1:21:20.000 Like, yeah, it's the snood game. Once it hits, they 1:21:20.040 --> 1:21:22.800 all come crumbling. Yeah, the other ideas don't matter. 1:21:22.880 --> 1:21:25.280 Oh my god, I fucking love snude. Can I still 1:21:25.320 --> 1:21:26.719 play that? It's so good? 1:21:26.920 --> 1:21:29.080 Yeah, you can find it online, but they I got 1:21:29.080 --> 1:21:31.120 it on my phone. But it's like at you know, 1:21:31.200 --> 1:21:32.880 it's like everything in life, it's a scam. 1:21:33.360 --> 1:21:35.200 My senior year in college, I used to sneak home 1:21:35.240 --> 1:21:37.240 from parties to just play nude. I was like, I'm 1:21:37.240 --> 1:21:38.519 not having fun and I would just go home and 1:21:38.520 --> 1:21:39.040 play nude. 1:21:39.640 --> 1:21:40.760 Was I depressed? I don't know. 1:21:42.560 --> 1:21:45.599 I know, looking back at like, it's so interesting when 1:21:45.600 --> 1:21:48.360 you're coping and bad habits have been the same for 1:21:48.479 --> 1:21:51.080 decades and you've never been able to escape them. Like 1:21:51.439 --> 1:21:53.719 I think go back about college, like I would totally 1:21:53.800 --> 1:21:56.200 leave parties to go home and watch TV by myself. 1:21:56.280 --> 1:21:59.479 Oh way, I was like, I was like, I'm actually 1:21:59.479 --> 1:22:00.439 really getting it's nude. 1:22:00.439 --> 1:22:01.800 I think I might beat it soon. So I'm going 1:22:01.880 --> 1:22:04.200 to go home and like not socialize on my final 1:22:04.280 --> 1:22:04.960 year of college. 1:22:05.720 --> 1:22:09.639 Now back to a horrific murder. So for five months, 1:22:10.280 --> 1:22:13.880 investigators were stumped. They didn't even look at her as 1:22:13.880 --> 1:22:17.880 a suspect because obviously the whole town is obsessed with 1:22:18.000 --> 1:22:20.160 this sexy high school football athlete. 1:22:20.280 --> 1:22:23.280 Like the whole town like we couldn't even thought about it. 1:22:23.560 --> 1:22:27.639 But then finally a friend came over, came over, came forward, 1:22:27.960 --> 1:22:30.880 like I mentioned someone that dated him, so basically Olivia Toma. 1:22:31.320 --> 1:22:33.040 She came forward January first. 1:22:33.120 --> 1:22:35.240 I guess she had a real come to Jesus New 1:22:35.320 --> 1:22:38.240 Year's hangover and had had to run to the cops, 1:22:38.880 --> 1:22:41.200 and so on January first, she was worried that he 1:22:41.280 --> 1:22:44.920 was gonna harm himself. So again, this whole town, I 1:22:44.920 --> 1:22:48.439 guess hated the substitute teacher, like everyone just loved this 1:22:48.520 --> 1:22:51.479 high school jock so much that like he even told 1:22:51.520 --> 1:22:54.440 this chick Olivia, and Olivia is like hmm okay. 1:22:54.760 --> 1:22:58.240 And then was like, oh well, Gary's about to harm himself. 1:22:58.240 --> 1:23:00.360 I gotta get him help. It's like, but you knew 1:23:00.400 --> 1:23:03.240 that he murdered. But according to the police report. 1:23:02.920 --> 1:23:05.960 Toma and him exchanged their biggest secrets to each other 1:23:06.000 --> 1:23:08.760 in a county fair and she didn't take him seriously 1:23:09.280 --> 1:23:10.480 or maybe her secret. 1:23:10.160 --> 1:23:10.880 Was really bad too. 1:23:11.240 --> 1:23:13.920 So anyways, so on January twenty eighth, the police recorded 1:23:13.920 --> 1:23:16.840 a call between Toma and Hurt, and he described crime 1:23:16.880 --> 1:23:19.880 details that were not public, so they knew they had him, 1:23:20.200 --> 1:23:22.360 and finally they had it on tape, him saying that 1:23:22.400 --> 1:23:23.720 he did it just because he wanted to see if 1:23:23.760 --> 1:23:24.559 he could get away with it. 1:23:24.640 --> 1:23:26.640 This is the problem with dating fourteen year olds. They 1:23:26.680 --> 1:23:30.200 are going to roll on you. You know, they're not die. 1:23:30.560 --> 1:23:32.920 They're not ride or die. They'd just been at eighth grade. 1:23:32.960 --> 1:23:35.840 They're going to record you when you're talkings. 1:23:35.840 --> 1:23:37.000 They don't want to get grounded. 1:23:38.880 --> 1:23:41.400 Other friends also said that he killed animals and would 1:23:41.439 --> 1:23:44.559 brag about it often, so I but. 1:23:44.600 --> 1:23:46.080 They still loved him. Okay. 1:23:46.680 --> 1:23:48.800 He actually said in an interview that he doesn't have 1:23:48.840 --> 1:23:52.200 guilt for killing animals because he figures that he's doing 1:23:52.200 --> 1:23:52.880 them a favor. 1:23:54.840 --> 1:23:55.519 End quote. 1:23:55.880 --> 1:23:59.439 He also told another friend, Eric Wenzlau about it, and 1:23:59.479 --> 1:24:01.920 the two young men visited the house in July before 1:24:01.960 --> 1:24:04.639 the murder, and he said that they thought like he thought, 1:24:04.680 --> 1:24:07.000 they were just looking for deer at this guy's house, 1:24:07.040 --> 1:24:10.280 I guess. But then later he confessed to Eric that 1:24:10.320 --> 1:24:13.080 he drove his dad's car and found Kopitsky naked and 1:24:13.160 --> 1:24:14.400 killed him. 1:24:14.960 --> 1:24:15.760 So they took his. 1:24:15.720 --> 1:24:18.479 Ass in on January twenty ninth, and they did it 1:24:18.560 --> 1:24:21.800 at school. So like a true Sview episode, they arrested 1:24:21.840 --> 1:24:22.479 this guy. 1:24:22.360 --> 1:24:27.519 At school purp walk during third period. Okay, so that 1:24:27.600 --> 1:24:29.839 never happens in real life. So I'm so excited. 1:24:29.960 --> 1:24:33.040 So his parents obviously couldn't believe it when the authorities 1:24:33.040 --> 1:24:36.080 came to search the house and then police also found 1:24:36.160 --> 1:24:39.479 Kopitski's keys in his room and two shotguns in the basement. 1:24:39.960 --> 1:24:43.280 Now Here I said Kopitski's name because I have respect 1:24:43.280 --> 1:24:43.800 for the death. 1:24:44.080 --> 1:24:49.479 This article just said found the dead man's keys. Wow, 1:24:49.680 --> 1:24:51.479 like legit. It was. 1:24:51.600 --> 1:24:54.120 I was in a twilight zone reading about the crime. 1:24:54.240 --> 1:24:57.320 So with all the evidence against him, he of course 1:24:57.360 --> 1:25:01.120 pled not guilty, so he's he was not involved in 1:25:01.160 --> 1:25:01.599 the murder. 1:25:01.640 --> 1:25:04.519 He just had the dead man's keys, Okay, sir So. 1:25:04.680 --> 1:25:07.799 October two thousand and four, he did finally plead guilty 1:25:08.040 --> 1:25:12.560 to first degree intentional homicide, but then he claimed insanity 1:25:12.720 --> 1:25:15.040 and so they went to jury like a jury trial. 1:25:15.520 --> 1:25:18.480 On March seventeenth, two thousand and five, he was sentenced. 1:25:18.960 --> 1:25:21.599 The jury gave him mandatory life, but then the judge 1:25:21.720 --> 1:25:24.120 changed it and said he would be eligible for parole 1:25:24.160 --> 1:25:28.240 after thirty two years including time served, so he will 1:25:28.240 --> 1:25:31.160 be in prison till at least fifty years old. But 1:25:31.240 --> 1:25:34.439 now we have a wild twist, okay. Right before he 1:25:34.479 --> 1:25:37.799 was sentenced, the nineteen year old said he can't feel 1:25:37.800 --> 1:25:42.160 guilty for killing a man in disgust after a homosexual encounter, 1:25:43.640 --> 1:25:46.719 and he was quote, this is a quote in ABC News, 1:25:47.280 --> 1:25:49.439 and it wasn't the first time he said something like that. 1:25:49.640 --> 1:25:51.559 So he only gave one interview during. 1:25:51.400 --> 1:25:55.200 This time, and it was to ABC News to Cynthia McFadden, 1:25:55.840 --> 1:25:58.400 and in this interview he said, there's no reason I 1:25:58.439 --> 1:26:00.479 should be held accountable for this. 1:26:00.960 --> 1:26:03.400 That's just the way I feel. I can't change that. 1:26:03.920 --> 1:26:06.040 He's straight up gay panicked, like he was trying to 1:26:06.040 --> 1:26:08.760 gay panic. So he eventually confessed and said he was 1:26:08.840 --> 1:26:11.240 out of his mind at the time, and he was 1:26:11.320 --> 1:26:15.200 driven into a murderous rage after having a homosexual encounter 1:26:15.320 --> 1:26:18.479 with the older man. I'm glad he got a long sentence. 1:26:18.560 --> 1:26:20.880 I really hate this person, so he claimed in the 1:26:20.920 --> 1:26:24.200 interview with McFadden. But he did not testify in court, 1:26:24.360 --> 1:26:26.960 so it's just the interview. So he didn't testify where 1:26:27.120 --> 1:26:29.920 he needed to be telling the truth. So obviously I 1:26:29.960 --> 1:26:32.200 don't believe him, because if this was real, why wouldn't 1:26:32.200 --> 1:26:35.240 you testify. So he says that he was sitting on 1:26:35.280 --> 1:26:38.320 top of his car under a bridge getting drunk, listening 1:26:38.520 --> 1:26:42.080 to a song by Nirvana over and over. He said 1:26:42.080 --> 1:26:45.960 that he drank six bottles of malt liquor and fifteen 1:26:46.080 --> 1:26:47.320 shots of vodka. 1:26:48.120 --> 1:26:51.080 It's just confusing that this cool, beloved high schooler was 1:26:51.200 --> 1:26:56.360 under a bridge alone drinking forties. Like I don't but. 1:26:56.520 --> 1:27:00.639 It sounds like he's wrestling trying to self medicaid because 1:27:00.640 --> 1:27:02.719 he has some homosexual feelings. 1:27:03.120 --> 1:27:04.160 Exactly, you're right. 1:27:04.520 --> 1:27:08.080 So he said when he drank, he sometimes had homosexual urges, 1:27:08.600 --> 1:27:12.320 and that Kopitski pulled up his car and flirted with 1:27:12.400 --> 1:27:14.240 him and they agreed to go back to the older 1:27:14.240 --> 1:27:17.920 man's house. He said it was consensual. He said, he 1:27:17.960 --> 1:27:20.720 went he went in, they fucked, and then he fell 1:27:20.760 --> 1:27:23.320 asleep in his car, and when he woke up sober, 1:27:23.479 --> 1:27:26.200 he was in a rage having sex with another man. 1:27:26.600 --> 1:27:29.840 And he was just grossed out, beyond belief and disappointed 1:27:29.840 --> 1:27:32.840 at the proof of my imperfection to myself that I 1:27:32.920 --> 1:27:36.720 had done these things. He believed a homosexual act was 1:27:36.800 --> 1:27:39.960 not as bad as raping somebody or torturing somebody, but 1:27:40.040 --> 1:27:46.160 it was worse than murder. Wow, okay, so he said 1:27:46.160 --> 1:27:49.640 that it like that the gay stuff was worse to 1:27:49.720 --> 1:27:53.760 his psyche and personality than the murder. Also, the prosecutor 1:27:54.040 --> 1:27:57.880 doesn't like, he's not convinced, and he's not convinced. And 1:27:57.920 --> 1:28:01.920 no one knows if Kopitski's even gay. Kapitski is dead, 1:28:02.040 --> 1:28:04.960 and no one cares to talk about this man who 1:28:05.080 --> 1:28:06.639 lost his life in this brutal way. 1:28:06.960 --> 1:28:11.920 It's all just about Gary. It's all about Gary. So crazy, But. 1:28:11.920 --> 1:28:14.640 I mean, Gary would not have made up the homosexual 1:28:14.680 --> 1:28:18.639 thing if it's so just, if it's so shameful to him, right. 1:28:19.040 --> 1:28:20.240 Like I feel like it did happen. 1:28:20.880 --> 1:28:23.400 I just don't believe that Kapitski drove by as this 1:28:23.439 --> 1:28:26.960 guy was hammered and then they all drove back like separately. 1:28:27.000 --> 1:28:29.600 I just especially because he had chased his house with 1:28:29.680 --> 1:28:30.679 his friend, right. 1:28:31.400 --> 1:28:34.920 Yeah, yeah, and maybe it was the next day that 1:28:34.960 --> 1:28:35.559 they chased it. 1:28:35.600 --> 1:28:38.080 But it's like no, because that would make sense. 1:28:37.880 --> 1:28:43.120 You're right, ye, like yeah, and the guy's a substitute teacher, 1:28:43.240 --> 1:28:44.439 like did he know the student. 1:28:44.520 --> 1:28:45.519 It is a small town. 1:28:46.120 --> 1:28:48.320 But his parents believe him, and they said it was 1:28:48.360 --> 1:28:51.240 difficult for their son to admit to having homosexual sex. 1:28:51.760 --> 1:28:55.880 But also he is a murderer, but okay, and the father, 1:28:56.040 --> 1:28:59.759 Mike Mike Herr to ABC News said, I think Gary 1:28:59.840 --> 1:29:02.280 was willing to accept life in jail to keep that 1:29:02.360 --> 1:29:06.200 secret to himself. In some ways, I'd probably put in 1:29:06.240 --> 1:29:09.599 that situation. I think I would have probably been very 1:29:09.640 --> 1:29:10.759 tough to come forward. 1:29:12.280 --> 1:29:16.840 I know that dad. The dad is talking not very articulately, 1:29:16.880 --> 1:29:19.519 but he's saying like, wow, this would be so hard 1:29:19.520 --> 1:29:20.080 to come forward. 1:29:20.080 --> 1:29:23.200 It's like you came forward about a murderer, like you 1:29:23.280 --> 1:29:26.040 have murdered a person, But the gay thing is so 1:29:26.240 --> 1:29:28.639 much harder and worse and more of a secret. 1:29:28.760 --> 1:29:31.200 It's so fun. Can you believe that that is real? 1:29:31.680 --> 1:29:34.200 Like that is real life? There are people, but. 1:29:34.280 --> 1:29:37.360 Didn't that that recently happened with like a school shooter, 1:29:38.200 --> 1:29:43.040 the one not a school shooter, a gay club on 1:29:43.240 --> 1:29:45.800 the Pacific, Like I can't believe. I can't keep all 1:29:45.840 --> 1:29:52.080 our country's mass shootings together. But after a recent mass shooting, 1:29:52.280 --> 1:29:56.160 a dad said that he it's better that he's the 1:29:56.240 --> 1:29:59.160 killer than if he was at the gay club at 1:29:59.200 --> 1:30:02.719 the gay bar. There are people that could like legit 1:30:03.400 --> 1:30:06.559 people At the Christian college I went to, I remember 1:30:06.640 --> 1:30:09.760 having gay conversations and I remember a kid raising his 1:30:09.840 --> 1:30:13.920 hand and saying, well, God loves all sinners. But it's 1:30:13.960 --> 1:30:17.040 like he's not condoning murder, but he accepts you. And 1:30:17.080 --> 1:30:19.639 that's the same with gay Like I remember this fucking 1:30:19.640 --> 1:30:22.280 girl so like with curly hair. 1:30:22.320 --> 1:30:24.000 I want to know where she is. I wish college 1:30:24.000 --> 1:30:24.679 had a year book. 1:30:25.080 --> 1:30:27.640 But anyways, it is shocking that there are people that 1:30:27.640 --> 1:30:29.760 would rather their kids be murderers than gay. 1:30:29.840 --> 1:30:31.320 Anyways, I keep rambling. 1:30:31.680 --> 1:30:35.719 The prosecution was disgusted with this defense and they thought 1:30:35.720 --> 1:30:38.400 it was all live lies and they're like, shut the 1:30:38.400 --> 1:30:40.800 fuck up, like we hate you and you're going to jail, 1:30:40.840 --> 1:30:43.559 and he did. I would like to end talking about 1:30:43.600 --> 1:30:45.799 the victim of all of this, since for some reason 1:30:45.840 --> 1:30:49.240 none of the media thought to But Kipitski did live 1:30:49.320 --> 1:30:52.400 alone and he wanted to get into acting in comedy, 1:30:52.560 --> 1:30:56.800 said his mother, Shirley Kopitski, and that he was a 1:30:56.840 --> 1:31:00.879 loner and a little bit different, eccentric, and that sadly 1:31:00.920 --> 1:31:01.759 made him a target. 1:31:02.520 --> 1:31:06.519 And so it's literally it's a fucking hate crime. I mean, 1:31:06.560 --> 1:31:08.200 it's a true it's a full hate crime. I think 1:31:08.240 --> 1:31:11.360 the sky was gay, and he clocked it, and he 1:31:11.439 --> 1:31:14.400 knew that he had those feelings, so he stalked him, 1:31:14.479 --> 1:31:17.920 went over there, maybe they had some kind of thing together, 1:31:18.200 --> 1:31:21.599 and then he killed him. Yeah, I'm really confused why 1:31:21.640 --> 1:31:24.240 the judge took away the life sentence and gave him 1:31:24.240 --> 1:31:25.960 opportunity for parole in thirty two. 1:31:26.880 --> 1:31:30.639 Damn, I wonder, I mean, I wonder what the judge has. 1:31:30.760 --> 1:31:34.120 Okay, So now I'm going to quickly go over this 1:31:34.280 --> 1:31:38.679 is yeah, quick, this is obviously a giant, a giant 1:31:38.720 --> 1:31:43.080 international exporting importing catastrophe. 1:31:43.800 --> 1:31:46.920 That who am I an economics major? Okay? 1:31:47.600 --> 1:31:49.920 So this is based on the concerns of high lead 1:31:50.160 --> 1:31:52.960 levels and toys during the two thousand and seven Chinese 1:31:53.040 --> 1:31:54.200 export recalls. 1:31:55.280 --> 1:31:58.799 So Barbie Pink will never end. This is about Mattel Baby. 1:32:00.320 --> 1:32:04.040 So Mattel recalled nineteen million toys sent from China. Let's 1:32:04.080 --> 1:32:05.839 think about nineteen million toys. 1:32:06.120 --> 1:32:07.879 That's a lot. Fuck. Yeah. 1:32:07.920 --> 1:32:11.120 So August fourteenth, two thousand and seven, the world's largest 1:32:11.680 --> 1:32:15.000 you know, toy company, announced the biggest recall in its history. 1:32:15.439 --> 1:32:18.560 This all started in July when one of Mattel's European 1:32:18.640 --> 1:32:22.040 retail partners noticed lead paint on some of its toys, 1:32:22.360 --> 1:32:24.880 so that an extensive investigation began. 1:32:25.640 --> 1:32:28.360 At first, it was four hundred and thirty six thousand. 1:32:28.000 --> 1:32:31.639 Chinese made die cast toy cars from the movie Cars. 1:32:32.040 --> 1:32:36.480 It was Sarge. Sarge is the which one is Sarge? 1:32:36.880 --> 1:32:38.880 I think he's the Is he the like little tow 1:32:38.920 --> 1:32:39.880 truck or I don't know. 1:32:40.000 --> 1:32:42.559 I really don't know. I've not seen cars. My kids 1:32:42.560 --> 1:32:45.800 aren't into that yet. Oh really, I'm so shocked. They 1:32:45.880 --> 1:32:47.760 we've tried it and they just don't get into it. 1:32:47.800 --> 1:32:49.519 After like fifteen minutes they want to turn it off. 1:32:49.680 --> 1:32:51.519 I totally thought you were going to have a story 1:32:51.640 --> 1:32:54.559 Sarge is a military vehicle, which clearly makes sense, and 1:32:54.600 --> 1:32:55.120 we're idiots. 1:32:56.120 --> 1:32:56.799 We're idiots. 1:32:57.479 --> 1:33:00.400 So that was the first thing, and then there was 1:33:00.400 --> 1:33:03.599 eighteen point two million other toys that were recalled because 1:33:03.600 --> 1:33:06.640 they had small, powerful magnets that could harm kids if 1:33:06.640 --> 1:33:07.600 they were swallowed. 1:33:07.760 --> 1:33:08.200 Damn. 1:33:08.800 --> 1:33:11.320 So the magnet toys have been being produced since two 1:33:11.360 --> 1:33:14.960 thousand and two, and it included forty four different polypocket toys, 1:33:15.479 --> 1:33:20.560 eleven Doggy daycare toys, four Batman toys, one piece I 1:33:20.560 --> 1:33:22.280 don't know what that is one piece toy, and two 1:33:22.360 --> 1:33:26.320 Barbie toys and half of the toys in each recall 1:33:26.360 --> 1:33:30.320 were distributed in the United States. And these magnets are 1:33:30.360 --> 1:33:34.120 not chill okay. So another company Rosart and Mega Toys, 1:33:34.360 --> 1:33:37.200 and Rosart is always second fiddle to Crayola, because I 1:33:37.280 --> 1:33:39.599 remember because I had to have Rosart and the product 1:33:39.760 --> 1:33:44.720 was inferior. So William Finley was an almost four year 1:33:44.760 --> 1:33:48.800 old child when his grandmother gave him a Mega magnetics 1:33:48.920 --> 1:33:52.080 building set for Christmas in two thousand and four, and 1:33:52.400 --> 1:33:55.759 one of the powerful micromagnets fell out of the plastic 1:33:55.840 --> 1:33:59.599 casing and William swallowed them, and then he became super 1:33:59.600 --> 1:34:03.160 ill had to go undergo surgery to remove these magnets 1:34:03.560 --> 1:34:07.160 and mend his intestines. So these magnets are so strong 1:34:07.200 --> 1:34:09.320 that if you swallow one, they don't just like pass 1:34:09.400 --> 1:34:12.840 through the child's body. They get stuck in the digestive 1:34:12.880 --> 1:34:17.600 system and they rip through tissue and the magnetic forces 1:34:17.640 --> 1:34:21.120 like draw all together into a tight, powerful clump in 1:34:21.200 --> 1:34:22.360 these children's bodies. 1:34:22.960 --> 1:34:25.640 Oh my god, I know, I know. 1:34:26.320 --> 1:34:30.040 Mega Brands was not helpful in the investigation into their 1:34:30.080 --> 1:34:33.719 defective magnets. And then when the company submitted to the data, 1:34:33.800 --> 1:34:35.880 there was data that showed in the beginning of two 1:34:35.880 --> 1:34:39.240 thousand and four, the company in rose Art received fifteen 1:34:39.360 --> 1:34:43.160 hundred consumer reports of magnets coming loose from their casings 1:34:43.200 --> 1:34:46.720 that did nothing. And then finally December two thousand and five, 1:34:46.800 --> 1:34:51.040 a toddler died, and then they jumped to work Senator 1:34:51.120 --> 1:34:53.439 Dick Durbin and Representative Bobby L. 1:34:53.520 --> 1:34:55.960 Rush, an Illinois Democrat. Crew. 1:34:56.400 --> 1:34:59.160 So this Rush guy's the chairman on Trade and Consumer 1:34:59.200 --> 1:35:03.040 Protection and hearings, and so he held hearings on the 1:35:03.040 --> 1:35:06.719 toys on June eighteenth and said the company did everything 1:35:06.760 --> 1:35:09.439 in their power to derail the Commission's effort to take 1:35:09.560 --> 1:35:12.240 the product off the shelf. They were trying to put 1:35:12.320 --> 1:35:15.040 warning stickers on and it's like no, no, no, like 1:35:15.120 --> 1:35:17.360 some people don't speak English. You can't have a warning sticker. 1:35:17.439 --> 1:35:19.560 If it's like death, like on a toy, take it 1:35:19.600 --> 1:35:21.520 off the shelves, you fucking lunatics. 1:35:23.000 --> 1:35:26.680 I hate it. Whatever, So they didn't cooperate it all and. 1:35:26.760 --> 1:35:30.800 Kids are dying and I hate it so and the 1:35:30.880 --> 1:35:32.920 kids swallowed so many magnets. There was a kid in 1:35:32.960 --> 1:35:34.960 Italy who swallowed sixty magnets. 1:35:35.280 --> 1:35:36.519 Jesus. 1:35:36.960 --> 1:35:39.920 Then, in a separate toy situation, toys are us. They 1:35:39.920 --> 1:35:43.879 had a bunch of lead baby bibs. Oh my god, 1:35:44.520 --> 1:35:47.479 so vinyl bibs with famous characters. They were selling for 1:35:47.520 --> 1:35:50.439 about five dollars each. The kids were licking them, and 1:35:50.479 --> 1:35:53.200 then anything with like ripped and cracked bibs were the 1:35:53.240 --> 1:35:58.080 worst for exposure. Sesame Street or the Explorer toys they 1:35:58.120 --> 1:36:00.920 were filled with lead as well, And in this article 1:36:01.000 --> 1:36:06.040 they're like shares dropped fifty seven cents, which doesn't seem 1:36:06.120 --> 1:36:10.240 like a lot, and then the Mattel stock rose back 1:36:10.280 --> 1:36:14.320 to the same levels after only a few hours. So 1:36:14.600 --> 1:36:18.599 lead levels that were killing kids only dropped fifty seven 1:36:18.720 --> 1:36:22.559 cents stocks for a few hours, and nobody cared there 1:36:22.640 --> 1:36:25.400 was lead in the toys. The lead paint recall was 1:36:25.439 --> 1:36:28.920 Mattel's second and less than a month of lead tainted toys, 1:36:29.520 --> 1:36:31.920 and we wish that the world really had an Alex 1:36:32.000 --> 1:36:35.120 Cabot there to protect the children and trick CEOs onto 1:36:35.120 --> 1:36:39.160 the stand. So Jim Walter, senior vice president of worldwide 1:36:39.240 --> 1:36:42.919 Quality Assurance at Mattel, said to The New York Times 1:36:43.560 --> 1:36:46.040 that they legit did not step up checks on the 1:36:46.080 --> 1:36:49.800 nearly three thousand companies that license its brands to put 1:36:49.800 --> 1:36:51.360 on products on their toys. 1:36:51.920 --> 1:36:53.040 That's so many products. 1:36:53.439 --> 1:36:57.000 They blamed the big recall on a subcontractor, hong Lea 1:36:57.200 --> 1:37:01.040 Da who was hired by Mattel con tractor in China, 1:37:01.160 --> 1:37:03.400 and it's called Early Light Industrial. 1:37:03.840 --> 1:37:06.400 Hasbro heard the news and they increased. 1:37:06.000 --> 1:37:08.960 The level of its safety checks following all the recalls. 1:37:09.320 --> 1:37:12.679 One brand's failure is another brand's warning, is what they said. 1:37:12.680 --> 1:37:15.880 And I kind of like that. That's kind of clever. 1:37:16.600 --> 1:37:18.160 So then we have S. 1:37:18.200 --> 1:37:22.880 Prakash Sethi and he's a professor at Baruch College and 1:37:22.960 --> 1:37:26.519 that is a city university of New York, and he 1:37:26.600 --> 1:37:30.000 acted as an independent monitor of working conditions in Mattel 1:37:30.120 --> 1:37:32.759 factories for the last ten years of when this article 1:37:32.760 --> 1:37:35.960 came out, in the case, and he says, if Mattel, 1:37:36.120 --> 1:37:38.920 with all of its emphasis on quality and testing, found 1:37:39.000 --> 1:37:42.120 such a widespread problem, what do you think is happening 1:37:42.200 --> 1:37:45.400 in the rest of the toy industry, in the apparel industry, 1:37:45.439 --> 1:37:48.639 and even in the low end electronics industry. And that's 1:37:48.680 --> 1:37:51.679 from the New York Times. Baby, so he's saying, if 1:37:51.720 --> 1:37:54.960 like this Juggernaut is not being safe, what makes you 1:37:55.000 --> 1:37:58.840 think all these other companies are. There's lead everywhere. It 1:37:58.920 --> 1:38:01.880 is dangerous. And then I thought, like, oh, this will 1:38:01.880 --> 1:38:04.120 be nice. I'll be able to end this true crime. 1:38:04.240 --> 1:38:06.439 You know, there were some murders we discussed, but like 1:38:06.520 --> 1:38:10.400 and like horrible molestation. But I can end on just 1:38:11.200 --> 1:38:14.920 lead toys in a recall. But of course, now, of course, no, 1:38:15.160 --> 1:38:18.559 there's no positive endings here. So it was found that 1:38:18.600 --> 1:38:23.240 the company I mentioned, Leader Industrial, a contract manufacturer based 1:38:23.280 --> 1:38:26.320 in southern China, with the lead paint like that was 1:38:26.360 --> 1:38:29.639 the lead paint, you know, point zero, ground zero. And 1:38:29.720 --> 1:38:33.320 so because of this, Mattel stopped accepting goods from the contractor, 1:38:33.800 --> 1:38:38.040 and then the Chinese government revoked Leader's export license, and 1:38:38.080 --> 1:38:41.040 then the owner, Jiang shu Hong, then took his own 1:38:41.040 --> 1:38:45.719 life by hanging himself in the factory warehouse. Wow, Mattel 1:38:45.760 --> 1:38:49.240 has recovered its costs and that's that. And the reps 1:38:49.360 --> 1:38:52.479 just like to my understanding leaders, out of business and 1:38:52.520 --> 1:38:57.720 we're fine, done and done. Patrick Macroy, the director of 1:38:57.760 --> 1:39:01.840 the Chicago Lead poisoning Prevention Program in two thousand and seven, 1:39:01.920 --> 1:39:05.080 said to The New York Times, all lead is bad lead. 1:39:06.200 --> 1:39:09.439 So that's no lead lives matter. Lead is bad all 1:39:09.479 --> 1:39:09.880 the time. 1:39:10.400 --> 1:39:13.519 Yeah, thank you Lisa for doing all of that. 1:39:13.760 --> 1:39:16.799 Right, But do you do you understand why the second 1:39:16.880 --> 1:39:19.960 crime was connected to this episode? 1:39:20.000 --> 1:39:20.719 Not really? 1:39:21.040 --> 1:39:25.960 It was a teen killing an older person, but I don't. 1:39:26.040 --> 1:39:27.639 I'm glad you told me about it, but I don't. 1:39:27.720 --> 1:39:31.200 I wonder why that was ever put online as a 1:39:31.240 --> 1:39:35.120 possible connect. Yeah, but yeah, I mean also like the 1:39:35.120 --> 1:39:38.240 brutality of the killing maybe, like because it was this 1:39:38.280 --> 1:39:40.560 guy was shot and stabbed and blah blah blah. I 1:39:40.560 --> 1:39:42.799 don't know, and then this guy was bludgeoned and shot, 1:39:42.880 --> 1:39:43.559 so I don't know. 1:39:43.560 --> 1:39:43.960 Maybe. 1:39:44.520 --> 1:39:48.640 Thank you for doing research on three separate issues and crimes. 1:39:48.840 --> 1:40:00.559 And we have a great guest, so don't go anywhere, okay. 1:40:00.800 --> 1:40:05.760 As our usual reminder, this interview was recorded prior to 1:40:05.800 --> 1:40:09.000 the SAG strike. This is our last interview, I believe before. 1:40:09.439 --> 1:40:11.240 We are going to take a little break from having 1:40:11.320 --> 1:40:14.479 interviews until the SAG strike is resolved, and we hope 1:40:14.479 --> 1:40:16.680 that that happens soon because we have a lot of 1:40:16.680 --> 1:40:18.880 people waiting in the wings that are ready to do 1:40:18.920 --> 1:40:20.360 the pod, and we're excited to bring them to you. 1:40:20.400 --> 1:40:22.559 But for now, we're standing strong with our union and 1:40:22.600 --> 1:40:26.120 we're not having anybody on to promote television shows that 1:40:26.160 --> 1:40:28.480 they were a part of or projects. 1:40:28.120 --> 1:40:28.880 That they have going on. 1:40:29.600 --> 1:40:32.200 But our guest today, who we recorded before the strike 1:40:32.479 --> 1:40:35.040 was is another Broadway baby. We've were on a streak 1:40:35.080 --> 1:40:38.040 of Broadway darlings right now. He won a Tony for 1:40:38.120 --> 1:40:41.600 originating the role of Moritz Stiefel in Spring Awakening. He 1:40:41.720 --> 1:40:44.720 was also in the Broadway productions of American Idiot and Jerusalem, 1:40:45.040 --> 1:40:47.320 and he was in the movie ten Cloverfield Lane. 1:40:47.360 --> 1:40:50.439 But you know him today as doctor Murderer jeff Linwood. 1:40:50.479 --> 1:40:55.080 Guys, please enjoy our chat with the delightful John Gallagher Junior. Yeah, 1:40:55.120 --> 1:40:57.320 we heard that you're a buddies with another friend of 1:40:57.360 --> 1:40:58.720 the pod, Michael Chernis. 1:40:58.920 --> 1:41:02.160 Yes, I just saw him at a birthday party last week. 1:41:02.479 --> 1:41:06.519 I had just listened to your episode with him. It 1:41:06.560 --> 1:41:09.560 was when they sent me the invitation for this. I 1:41:10.439 --> 1:41:12.160 hadn't heard the podcast yet, but I was like, well, 1:41:12.200 --> 1:41:15.960 that's a great idea. I mean, my my dad and 1:41:16.000 --> 1:41:19.360 my sister are are fanatics as well. And every every 1:41:19.400 --> 1:41:23.960 Christmas if there's ever any kind of marathon on well 1:41:23.960 --> 1:41:27.720 and I always get stuck watching like eight episodes in 1:41:27.760 --> 1:41:29.479 a row. So I was thinking about them when I 1:41:29.520 --> 1:41:31.600 was listening to it. But I saw Chernis's name and 1:41:31.640 --> 1:41:33.240 I was like, oh, I want to listen to this one. 1:41:33.280 --> 1:41:34.839 And it was. It was a great episode. 1:41:35.000 --> 1:41:38.760 Oh for that he was incredible. So your father and 1:41:38.800 --> 1:41:41.200 sister know that you're in a legendary episode of US 1:41:41.280 --> 1:41:43.200 for you, one of the most memorable. 1:41:43.240 --> 1:41:45.640 I would say, you know, they might they might not 1:41:45.840 --> 1:41:49.160 really quite have it on that much of a pedestal. 1:41:49.160 --> 1:41:51.760 I think they probably both watched it once upon its 1:41:51.800 --> 1:41:52.479 original air. 1:41:53.720 --> 1:41:55.360 It liked with both of us. 1:41:55.479 --> 1:41:58.920 Yeah, since it aired, I bring up Peka all the 1:41:59.040 --> 1:42:02.880 time about it from Bed Wong here and it is like, 1:42:03.880 --> 1:42:06.519 it's just such a staple because I didn't know of 1:42:06.560 --> 1:42:09.080 a thing and then I knew it because of svo. 1:42:09.640 --> 1:42:12.080 It is one of those episodes that I you know, 1:42:12.240 --> 1:42:15.519 it's it's entertaining, it's interesting, it's unique, and then very 1:42:15.520 --> 1:42:18.519 informative in the end. Really it kind of ticks all 1:42:18.520 --> 1:42:19.080 the boxes. 1:42:19.520 --> 1:42:21.760 Yeah, and like, I honestly feel like they should change 1:42:21.760 --> 1:42:23.680 the name of it because when you tell people you're like, oh, 1:42:23.680 --> 1:42:25.680 that episode led, they're like uh, and you're like the 1:42:25.720 --> 1:42:27.080 one where the kid has pika. 1:42:26.800 --> 1:42:28.880 And you're like, oh, we got it. I got it 1:42:29.160 --> 1:42:30.160 not even saying it right. 1:42:30.200 --> 1:42:30.280 No. 1:42:30.479 --> 1:42:33.439 I only realized that when I rewatched Doctor John because 1:42:33.520 --> 1:42:35.000 bead Wong said it again and I was like, we've 1:42:35.000 --> 1:42:36.519 been saying pica for a long time. 1:42:37.040 --> 1:42:40.479 I only realized. But okay, so how did this? 1:42:40.760 --> 1:42:43.680 We like, you're a Broadway baby, we know all, Like, 1:42:43.960 --> 1:42:46.640 we know a lot about you. But what do you 1:42:46.640 --> 1:42:47.960 want to start with Lisa. 1:42:48.840 --> 1:42:53.560 Biting the pencil? Of course we're going to the bush. 1:42:54.360 --> 1:42:56.120 What is it is the most memorable moment? 1:42:56.640 --> 1:42:57.120 It isn't. 1:42:57.160 --> 1:43:00.240 What's funny is bead Wong like it's like, oh, something up. 1:43:00.280 --> 1:43:02.880 But the rest no one else reacts to you doing 1:43:02.920 --> 1:43:05.160 on a pencil like it's a piece of celery. 1:43:05.360 --> 1:43:08.160 Like everyone's like, just this kid loves pencils. What can 1:43:08.280 --> 1:43:09.920 you do. We can't keep them in on number two 1:43:09.960 --> 1:43:11.000 is quick enough? Like what? 1:43:11.479 --> 1:43:15.040 It is one of those moments where I remember thinking like, well, 1:43:15.080 --> 1:43:18.879 no one's really reacting to this rather an intense gesture. 1:43:19.760 --> 1:43:22.080 Maybe they all know it's coming or something. Yeah. 1:43:22.160 --> 1:43:25.120 I remember filming that day and when I got to set, 1:43:26.600 --> 1:43:29.000 one of my biggest questions, of course, was what's this 1:43:29.080 --> 1:43:30.680 pencil going to be made out of? 1:43:30.840 --> 1:43:32.920 Is it going to be an actual pencil? And it was. 1:43:33.439 --> 1:43:37.680 It was a very impressive recreation of a pencil made 1:43:37.840 --> 1:43:39.599 entirely from Marzapan candy. 1:43:39.720 --> 1:43:42.240 So it was like really sweet, like sickly sweet. 1:43:42.400 --> 1:43:46.680 Oh but they had the like the lettering, and they 1:43:46.720 --> 1:43:49.000 had like twelve of them. They had made a bunch 1:43:49.000 --> 1:43:50.879 of them because they knew we were going to probably 1:43:51.000 --> 1:43:52.439 be doing a handful of takes. 1:43:52.880 --> 1:43:55.519 This is this, This is the info why we started 1:43:55.520 --> 1:43:59.439 this podcast. I can not believe that was a candy pencil. 1:43:59.479 --> 1:44:01.080 It looked so real and like the way that you 1:44:01.120 --> 1:44:03.000 were eating it. I was like, it looks like he's 1:44:03.040 --> 1:44:04.200 eating a real ass pencil. 1:44:04.240 --> 1:44:06.800 Oh my gosh, it's like way before is it cake 1:44:07.040 --> 1:44:08.479 like you again? 1:44:08.960 --> 1:44:11.280 You know? I was the curve there? 1:44:11.439 --> 1:44:13.360 Come on in two thousand and nine when we made 1:44:13.360 --> 1:44:16.000 that episode, and I remember it was it was doubt. 1:44:16.000 --> 1:44:16.960 They were weirdly. 1:44:16.640 --> 1:44:19.920 Delicate, yeah, because of the almond flower or something. And 1:44:19.960 --> 1:44:21.960 I had to have it in my in my pocket 1:44:22.479 --> 1:44:23.840 and then I take it out and I'm kind of 1:44:23.880 --> 1:44:26.200 playing with it, and I just remember being acutely aware 1:44:26.200 --> 1:44:28.800 of of not to man handle it because they were like, 1:44:28.800 --> 1:44:30.920 they will break apart if you press it too hard, 1:44:30.960 --> 1:44:34.040 and you kind of have to sell it was pretty 1:44:35.120 --> 1:44:36.840 I had to kind of sell as if it had 1:44:36.880 --> 1:44:38.479 like there was some you know, there was a lot 1:44:38.520 --> 1:44:40.040 of bend to the mars of pan. I had to 1:44:40.120 --> 1:44:45.599 kind of sell that it was like a stiff snappingil. 1:44:45.280 --> 1:44:47.200 Oh my gosh, wow, Holly. 1:44:48.560 --> 1:44:50.640 Yeah, it's an amazing I mean it heads up to that. 1:44:50.680 --> 1:44:52.400 I mean that crew. You got to give it up 1:44:52.439 --> 1:44:54.920 to them. There. There's something else. 1:44:55.479 --> 1:44:59.840 Yeah, magic happened weekly on the set there of su. 1:45:00.400 --> 1:45:03.680 Another prop or more wardrobe that I love is like 1:45:03.720 --> 1:45:07.080 your chicken outfit is so good too. Yeah, I would 1:45:07.080 --> 1:45:08.360 have tried to steal that. 1:45:08.360 --> 1:45:12.240 That's like, yeah, I said a portion of the episode 1:45:12.280 --> 1:45:14.240 in it, I don't change for a while. 1:45:14.280 --> 1:45:17.640 After they hauled me off for questioning. 1:45:18.680 --> 1:45:22.000 So you like did original recipe in O two, then 1:45:22.040 --> 1:45:23.960 you did Criminal Intent and O four, then you made 1:45:24.000 --> 1:45:28.280 the trinity. Yeah, you've completed the trinity by doing this episode. 1:45:28.720 --> 1:45:32.080 So I mean, at this point you're like a Broadway star. 1:45:32.000 --> 1:45:33.880 And like, did they just have you come in to 1:45:34.760 --> 1:45:36.920 do this part, or did like they know you from 1:45:36.960 --> 1:45:39.000 doing other Law and Orders or like what. 1:45:39.000 --> 1:45:42.720 Was in preparation to to speak with the two of you? 1:45:42.880 --> 1:45:46.360 I really was racking my brain. Okay, what do I 1:45:46.400 --> 1:45:48.639 remember about the process of getting this part? 1:45:48.640 --> 1:45:51.720 Did audition? I even went through my emails. 1:45:52.000 --> 1:45:55.360 I like, I like searched like Law and Order SVU 1:45:55.720 --> 1:45:59.559 led audition offer. I was like going back to see 1:45:59.560 --> 1:46:03.639 if I could find the origin of how I found. 1:46:03.800 --> 1:46:04.759 I couldn't find anything. 1:46:04.800 --> 1:46:05.160 I don't know. 1:46:05.240 --> 1:46:07.479 Maybe the fact that you even did an email search 1:46:07.800 --> 1:46:10.679 already you're like above ninety nine percent of the people 1:46:10.680 --> 1:46:11.000 that come. 1:46:11.240 --> 1:46:13.840 But I wanted to be informed, you know. I wanted 1:46:13.880 --> 1:46:15.759 to have good answers to your questions. 1:46:15.800 --> 1:46:17.880 I didn't want to just sit here saying I don't 1:46:17.880 --> 1:46:19.280 remember over and over again. 1:46:19.040 --> 1:46:20.519 Which probably still could happen. 1:46:20.600 --> 1:46:24.000 It's fine, Yeah, I do remember that. It was like, 1:46:25.680 --> 1:46:28.040 you know, I think January February. I remember all these 1:46:28.040 --> 1:46:30.280 really weird little details about it. I remember that the 1:46:30.360 --> 1:46:33.400 Watchmen movie was coming out because I was reading the 1:46:33.439 --> 1:46:39.320 original Watchmen graphic novel like in between takes. I remember 1:46:39.360 --> 1:46:41.320 reading that on set and people being. 1:46:41.160 --> 1:46:42.639 Like, Oh, hey, you excited for the movie? 1:46:42.920 --> 1:46:46.240 Why, yes, I am, yeah, and yeah, I think I had. 1:46:46.520 --> 1:46:49.080 I had done the original in two thousand and two. 1:46:49.439 --> 1:46:52.000 I think I was about seventeen, and I did. I 1:46:52.040 --> 1:46:55.280 had a scene with with Jesse and Jerry, which was 1:46:55.400 --> 1:46:59.400 very exciting, and then I did Criminal Intent and had 1:46:59.400 --> 1:47:01.880 a bunch of scenes with Catherine and Vincent and that 1:47:02.000 --> 1:47:05.240 was very exciting and intimidating and scary. And then also 1:47:05.360 --> 1:47:08.479 John Savage of like the Deer Hunter, Fame and many 1:47:08.479 --> 1:47:12.439 other things played my evil stepfather in that episode. And 1:47:12.640 --> 1:47:15.600 I want to say that because I had done the 1:47:15.680 --> 1:47:18.320 two other Law and Orders, I think Lead was just 1:47:18.400 --> 1:47:20.599 an offer. You know, Turnis talked about this on his 1:47:20.880 --> 1:47:25.360 episode that you Know you just spend. I couldn't tell 1:47:25.360 --> 1:47:27.760 you how many times I've gone to Chelsea Piers and 1:47:27.840 --> 1:47:30.080 sat in that waiting room and auditioned for episodes of 1:47:30.160 --> 1:47:32.400 Law and Order. I moved to New York twenty years ago. 1:47:33.120 --> 1:47:39.559 And especially before streaming. And now we have this wealth 1:47:39.600 --> 1:47:41.840 of TV series being shot, well not right now because 1:47:41.880 --> 1:47:45.200 of the writers' strike, but you know, in leaner times, 1:47:45.600 --> 1:47:48.679 lots of streaming shows and cable shows being filmed. 1:47:48.680 --> 1:47:50.160 But for a while, it was really like. 1:47:50.160 --> 1:47:52.920 If you saw a hair and makeup trailer on the 1:47:52.920 --> 1:47:55.040 corner of a street in New York City, in ninety 1:47:55.120 --> 1:47:57.240 nine percent chance it was a Law and Order. Maybe 1:47:57.280 --> 1:48:00.400 it was NYPD Blue coming over from LA to pick 1:48:00.479 --> 1:48:03.240 up some exteriors or something, or maybe. 1:48:03.000 --> 1:48:04.920 It was Third Watch or what have you. 1:48:05.120 --> 1:48:07.479 Now there's lots of different shows, but you just spend 1:48:07.560 --> 1:48:09.920 so much time as a working actor and auditioning actor 1:48:09.960 --> 1:48:11.519 in New York sitting in that waiting room, and so 1:48:11.560 --> 1:48:14.360 I'd been in for them so many times, and I 1:48:14.400 --> 1:48:15.920 remember it was kind of a lull. I had done 1:48:15.960 --> 1:48:18.640 a play right before the holidays, and it was that 1:48:18.720 --> 1:48:21.800 kind of like winter lull where I wasn't working and 1:48:22.280 --> 1:48:24.720 I was just kind of kicking around the apartment, and 1:48:24.720 --> 1:48:26.439 then I got this. I'm pretty sure I just got 1:48:26.439 --> 1:48:30.599 the offer for lead. And then it was a because 1:48:30.640 --> 1:48:32.920 it was a heftier part than I'd had in my 1:48:33.040 --> 1:48:36.000 previous Law and Order outings. I think it was like 1:48:36.040 --> 1:48:40.680 maybe like a two ish week process of filming it. 1:48:41.200 --> 1:48:44.960 You know, of course I was nervous about like the 1:48:45.000 --> 1:48:49.160 emotional punch of the role and also you know, trying 1:48:49.200 --> 1:48:53.160 to be delicate about it and do justice to it. 1:48:53.200 --> 1:48:55.920 I mean, to be totally honest with you, I think 1:48:55.960 --> 1:48:59.040 maybe now in twenty twenty three, at thirty eight, I 1:48:59.120 --> 1:49:00.880 might have said, I don't know if I'm the guy 1:49:00.920 --> 1:49:04.479 for this, you guys. I mean, as much as I'd 1:49:04.560 --> 1:49:06.519 love love to do it, but you know, I was 1:49:06.520 --> 1:49:10.559 twenty five and looking for work, and I just remember thinking, well, 1:49:10.600 --> 1:49:12.720 if I can strike some kind of delicate balance and 1:49:12.760 --> 1:49:17.040 not make this seem like a parody or you know, 1:49:17.560 --> 1:49:20.160 an offensive performance, I'm not It's not really for me 1:49:20.240 --> 1:49:22.559 to say whether I succeeded in that or not, but 1:49:22.600 --> 1:49:25.280 I certainly was trying to find the nuance and to 1:49:25.400 --> 1:49:28.360 just kind of play the simplicity of this of this 1:49:28.400 --> 1:49:32.799 guy who you know, as a result of trauma abuse 1:49:32.880 --> 1:49:36.640 and then literal brain damage has been rendered with you know, 1:49:36.840 --> 1:49:42.000 limited mental capabilities. So it was it was a nervy 1:49:42.240 --> 1:49:47.240 process trying to bring that to life. But everybody was 1:49:47.280 --> 1:49:50.439 really sweet and kind on the set, so it really 1:49:50.520 --> 1:49:53.800 is a good group of people. I have fond memories 1:49:54.120 --> 1:49:55.360 of those two weeks. 1:49:55.720 --> 1:49:57.439 Yeah, you're right. 1:49:57.479 --> 1:49:59.559 I mean, maybe we all can't be the judge, but 1:49:59.640 --> 1:50:01.960 I think you nailed the performance and all. 1:50:02.040 --> 1:50:03.920 That's what I was gonna say. Maybe it's not for me, 1:50:04.160 --> 1:50:06.960 but you did great. I think the people. 1:50:07.320 --> 1:50:09.680 I think what was fucked was everyone around you and 1:50:09.720 --> 1:50:10.800 how they spoke about you. 1:50:11.400 --> 1:50:13.880 I feel like your performance was great. 1:50:13.920 --> 1:50:15.960 I think it was mostly like Captain Craig and being like, 1:50:16.080 --> 1:50:19.519 I don't know, he seems slow, like that is those 1:50:19.560 --> 1:50:20.519 are the things that. 1:50:20.560 --> 1:50:21.160 It's so funny. 1:50:21.160 --> 1:50:23.439 I was just on a podcast this morning and the 1:50:23.840 --> 1:50:27.000 host of the podcast was going, if Tom Hanks made 1:50:27.040 --> 1:50:30.240 Forrest Gump now, he would have been escorted out of Hollywood, 1:50:30.280 --> 1:50:33.040 Like there's just no way, like every line, there's no 1:50:33.120 --> 1:50:35.880 way that that movie could be made today, like at all, 1:50:36.040 --> 1:50:38.640 Like we wouldn't have had Gary Sinise as an amputee, 1:50:38.640 --> 1:50:41.120 like that never would have happened, like and I was like, 1:50:41.160 --> 1:50:43.680 it's interesting, like things just change. I think in the 1:50:43.760 --> 1:50:46.760 last few years as well, have changed so fast of 1:50:46.880 --> 1:50:47.439 like you know. 1:50:47.439 --> 1:50:49.679 Really quickly, yeaheah. 1:50:49.960 --> 1:50:51.400 But that's the thing with SVU. 1:50:51.439 --> 1:50:55.240 It's like always ahead of its time or completely not 1:50:55.520 --> 1:50:59.400 and dated. It's like it's such a beautiful mix, like 1:50:59.439 --> 1:51:03.240 how we learned well Pika, But then Cabot says some 1:51:03.320 --> 1:51:09.960 fux up ship. Anyways, you and bed Wong in interrogation, 1:51:10.439 --> 1:51:12.440 you get mad at him, you hate doctors. 1:51:12.520 --> 1:51:13.799 How is that scene? 1:51:14.200 --> 1:51:17.439 Well, it's just it's it's he's a very difficult person 1:51:17.520 --> 1:51:20.200 to show animosity towards. I mean, he's one of the 1:51:20.240 --> 1:51:25.519 sweetest people ever. He's so kind and uh. I also 1:51:25.840 --> 1:51:28.240 was like totally starstruck, you know. I mean as a 1:51:28.240 --> 1:51:31.120 as a as a as a child of the late 1:51:31.160 --> 1:51:33.960 eighties and early nineties, you know, saw Jurassic Park about 1:51:33.960 --> 1:51:36.680 a thousand times at the cineplex in Wilmington, Delaware, where 1:51:36.720 --> 1:51:37.200 I grew up. 1:51:37.640 --> 1:51:39.800 You know, he was a superstar to me. And then, 1:51:39.840 --> 1:51:41.599 of course, not to mention the father of the Bride film. 1:51:41.640 --> 1:51:45.439 Hello, I remember thinking, well, it's going to be really 1:51:45.479 --> 1:51:47.759 hard to attack this, uh, this very. 1:51:47.560 --> 1:51:48.840 Sweet man that I look up to. 1:51:49.520 --> 1:51:49.920 Uh. 1:51:49.960 --> 1:51:52.760 And then but the kind of the real highlight of 1:51:52.800 --> 1:51:57.600 that scene was getting uh, you know, thrown against the 1:51:57.600 --> 1:51:58.639 wall by. 1:51:58.840 --> 1:52:00.160 Was it was it icy me? 1:52:00.200 --> 1:52:00.919 It's maloney. 1:52:01.200 --> 1:52:03.360 Yeah, I was like I remember them just like rushing 1:52:03.360 --> 1:52:06.639 into the room and and uh and you know, being 1:52:07.160 --> 1:52:10.080 being hoisted against against the wall by him was like 1:52:10.120 --> 1:52:11.479 I really felt that was like that was. 1:52:11.479 --> 1:52:13.040 The day where I was like, oh, I'm on it. 1:52:13.120 --> 1:52:14.719 I'm on an episode of this speak. 1:52:16.240 --> 1:52:19.759 It's also a lot of people's sexual fantasies. 1:52:19.760 --> 1:52:22.200 Right, I know, I feel so lucky. 1:52:22.400 --> 1:52:26.440 You know what felt more iconic being in the interrogation 1:52:26.640 --> 1:52:30.160 room or in the courtroom. 1:52:30.800 --> 1:52:33.639 I guess maybe the courtroom because like the stakes feel 1:52:33.760 --> 1:52:36.200 when you're filming those scenes, like the stakes do feel 1:52:36.320 --> 1:52:38.679 very high. There's a lot of extras in the room. 1:52:38.920 --> 1:52:42.280 It's a big set. They've got crane shots to kind 1:52:42.280 --> 1:52:45.960 of show the depth of the room. The interrogation room 1:52:46.000 --> 1:52:50.000 is obviously incredibly iconic, but it's it's a much more 1:52:50.000 --> 1:52:52.240 of a smaller, kind of intimate way of filming. But 1:52:52.280 --> 1:52:55.760 the courtroom definitely felt like we were doing you know, 1:52:55.800 --> 1:52:58.760 like a little play. And then you have usually like 1:52:58.960 --> 1:53:01.200 that's almost all ways. It's the kind of climax of 1:53:01.240 --> 1:53:04.200 the episode. So it tends to be the big reveal. 1:53:04.560 --> 1:53:07.320 It tends to be kind of the most dramatic scene, 1:53:07.479 --> 1:53:10.600 and so you do have to learn like more dialogue 1:53:10.600 --> 1:53:13.080 and more beats, and there's kind of more choreography, and 1:53:13.120 --> 1:53:15.760 then somebody is always objecting and then this person stands up, 1:53:15.800 --> 1:53:18.880 and so there's more moving pieces to those scenes. And 1:53:18.920 --> 1:53:22.320 I remember that being one of the more stressful days. 1:53:22.360 --> 1:53:24.080 And then of course the pencil thing. I was like, 1:53:24.120 --> 1:53:26.160 if I can't make this pencil thing work, the whole 1:53:26.200 --> 1:53:29.839 episode falls apart. So I remember being a little stretched 1:53:29.880 --> 1:53:33.479 out on those days. And then you've got like one 1:53:33.520 --> 1:53:37.639 of the most prolific actors, John Collum to my right, 1:53:38.640 --> 1:53:42.320 playing the judge, who I've looked up to for years, 1:53:42.320 --> 1:53:44.559 so that was really exciting to be on set with 1:53:44.640 --> 1:53:45.040 him too. 1:53:45.680 --> 1:53:48.880 Would you rather go on a night on the town 1:53:49.000 --> 1:53:52.320 with theater actors or screen actors? 1:53:52.960 --> 1:53:57.960 Hmmm, probably theater actors. Yeah, I feel like. 1:53:58.760 --> 1:54:04.240 Because on the with the theater schedule, you it tends 1:54:04.240 --> 1:54:06.880 to be a little bit more forgiving because you don't 1:54:06.880 --> 1:54:08.960 have to get up, you know, at like four o'clock, 1:54:09.000 --> 1:54:11.120 five o'clock in the morning to get to set and 1:54:11.160 --> 1:54:12.040 go to hair and makeup. 1:54:12.040 --> 1:54:13.240 You can sleep in a little bit. 1:54:13.760 --> 1:54:17.680 So theater people they can really rage when the night 1:54:17.760 --> 1:54:19.240 is right, they can really throw down. 1:54:19.880 --> 1:54:21.760 Yeah, but this is we talk about this a lot 1:54:21.800 --> 1:54:23.360 anytime we have a Broadway baby on. 1:54:23.520 --> 1:54:26.479 But like, what is what do you do for your throat? 1:54:26.520 --> 1:54:27.439 Like can you drink? 1:54:27.600 --> 1:54:31.040 Like what is the pacing of your fun life versus 1:54:31.080 --> 1:54:33.839 the like you know, getting your vocal cords? 1:54:34.120 --> 1:54:37.120 I know, well, I will say that like a musical. 1:54:37.280 --> 1:54:39.000 If you're doing a musical, and I've done a couple 1:54:39.080 --> 1:54:42.120 of those, that's it's a lot harder to have, like 1:54:42.240 --> 1:54:44.680 any kind of life. It's just so hard to have 1:54:44.800 --> 1:54:49.080 a life or a social life because the recovery that 1:54:49.240 --> 1:54:51.120 is needed to be able to get back up on 1:54:51.200 --> 1:54:54.480 stage the next night is so intense. So you really 1:54:54.520 --> 1:54:59.160 like your your tank is it gets depleted so fast. 1:54:58.840 --> 1:54:59.680 On that schedule. 1:55:00.480 --> 1:55:02.920 When you're doing a play, it feels like so much 1:55:02.960 --> 1:55:07.240 fun because you still obviously have to bring like you 1:55:07.760 --> 1:55:09.760 can't get to rundown throughout the week, but it's a 1:55:09.840 --> 1:55:12.280 little bit more forgiving if you're not singing and dancing 1:55:12.320 --> 1:55:14.520 at the same time. It's just an extra kind of 1:55:15.000 --> 1:55:19.800 physical level to things. And yes, you don't really see 1:55:19.800 --> 1:55:21.840 anybody doing it during the week. That the weird thing 1:55:21.840 --> 1:55:25.879 about theater is that theater people for them their weekend 1:55:26.000 --> 1:55:30.400 starts Sunday night and basically just Sunday night because you 1:55:30.440 --> 1:55:33.960 have Mondays off, and then you're back. You're back at 1:55:34.040 --> 1:55:36.640 it Tuesday night, Tuesday through Sunday, and then the weekends 1:55:36.680 --> 1:55:39.600 are actually insane for doing theater because you do Friday 1:55:39.640 --> 1:55:43.680 night usually a Saturday matinee, Saturday night, Sunday matinee, Sunday night, 1:55:43.800 --> 1:55:46.640 so your weekend is just a marathon. And then on 1:55:46.640 --> 1:55:49.440 Sunday night, everybody kind of goes insane because they've made 1:55:49.480 --> 1:55:52.160 it through this marathon. And you know, if you're inclined 1:55:52.160 --> 1:55:55.160 to partying, Sunday night is kind of the night you 1:55:55.160 --> 1:55:57.200 can always kind of tell. Like if you go into 1:55:57.200 --> 1:55:58.720 a bar on a Sunday night in New York City 1:55:58.760 --> 1:56:00.600 and it's packed, it's like, oh, this is the theater. 1:56:00.640 --> 1:56:03.360 People are here, this is their Friday night. Everybody else 1:56:03.360 --> 1:56:04.400 has to get up in the morning. 1:56:06.080 --> 1:56:08.960 Yeah, it's like the SNL schedule. You guys, just have 1:56:09.080 --> 1:56:10.680 your one day. 1:56:10.760 --> 1:56:16.240 One day outside of the obvious, what are like pet 1:56:16.240 --> 1:56:18.560 peeves you have with an audience or like things that 1:56:18.600 --> 1:56:19.360 we should not do. 1:56:20.000 --> 1:56:24.760 M this this is one where I can't, like, I know, 1:56:24.800 --> 1:56:27.480 the obvious ones are like you know, cell phones. Still, 1:56:27.520 --> 1:56:30.440 it's crazy, you know, even with all of the announcements, 1:56:30.800 --> 1:56:33.760 you'll still have somebody's phonem going off or somebody checking 1:56:33.800 --> 1:56:36.600 their phone, and then you can like you can see 1:56:36.600 --> 1:56:38.480 it in the dark, you know, you'll just see like 1:56:38.520 --> 1:56:40.480 this illuminated face looking down. 1:56:40.640 --> 1:56:41.960 It's like, oh, they're on their phone. 1:56:42.120 --> 1:56:42.360 Yeah. 1:56:43.440 --> 1:56:46.600 Uh, that that can be That can be really distracting, 1:56:46.800 --> 1:56:48.840 the one thing. And I can't really fault people for 1:56:48.880 --> 1:56:52.760 this because it's a very Pavlovian response, but like what like, 1:56:52.840 --> 1:56:54.840 for example, when I did Long Days Journey to Night, 1:56:54.880 --> 1:56:58.120 I was playing a character that had tuberculosis, and it's 1:56:58.160 --> 1:57:00.960 in the script that I mean, he's coughing constantly because 1:57:00.960 --> 1:57:05.160 he has this terrible respiratory illness. And there is always 1:57:05.200 --> 1:57:08.680 that thing in the theater where if somebody coughs on stage, 1:57:08.960 --> 1:57:13.080 it's immediately contagious, like it will set off a chain reaction. 1:57:13.600 --> 1:57:15.760 Somebody in the balcony will go, oh, do I have 1:57:15.800 --> 1:57:16.200 to cough? 1:57:16.600 --> 1:57:16.800 Yeah? 1:57:16.840 --> 1:57:19.240 I think I do, and then somebody down in the 1:57:19.360 --> 1:57:22.200 orchestra hears that, and then they cough and it will 1:57:22.320 --> 1:57:25.120 ripple effect for the next thirty some seconds. I swear 1:57:25.200 --> 1:57:28.640 it happened almost every show of Long Days whenever my 1:57:28.760 --> 1:57:32.760 character would cough or sound rasty. It would kind of 1:57:33.280 --> 1:57:37.000 trigger this response of people clearing their throat or call 1:57:37.600 --> 1:57:38.320 in the audience. 1:57:38.880 --> 1:57:39.400 And I get it. 1:57:39.480 --> 1:57:42.280 I know sometimes you hear it and it triggers it 1:57:42.320 --> 1:57:45.280 within you. Probably I've been there, but that would get 1:57:45.440 --> 1:57:48.600 frustrating because then you're kind of fighting with the sound 1:57:48.800 --> 1:57:51.680 for that for the next like minute or so. 1:57:51.840 --> 1:57:53.480 Yeah, like stop coughing. 1:57:53.800 --> 1:57:58.320 Yeah, the phone thing is killer. I can't imagine. 1:57:58.400 --> 1:58:00.840 Whenever I've been at shows where it happens, it's always 1:58:00.880 --> 1:58:02.800 just like an old person that doesn't know how to 1:58:02.840 --> 1:58:05.240 turn it off then and they're like I can't find it, 1:58:05.360 --> 1:58:07.360 Like it's always, you know, and it just. 1:58:07.400 --> 1:58:10.680 Kind of will ring and ring and ring, Yeah, until 1:58:11.040 --> 1:58:14.600 until it's done, until it's over. Yeah, it's it's I 1:58:14.640 --> 1:58:16.680 don't know, it's funny ease. I play music as well, 1:58:16.720 --> 1:58:18.839 like I play my own music and I do shows 1:58:19.320 --> 1:58:21.640 with my band. I do kind of solo acoustic shows 1:58:21.640 --> 1:58:23.520 as well. And it's what I've noticed, like I'm so 1:58:23.640 --> 1:58:27.120 much more forgiving, Like in a night like that, it 1:58:27.200 --> 1:58:29.680 feels very kind of Oh, it's like I'm talking to 1:58:29.720 --> 1:58:31.840 the audience. Everything can be off the cuff, like a 1:58:31.920 --> 1:58:32.560 phone goes off. 1:58:32.560 --> 1:58:33.200 What are you going to do. 1:58:33.280 --> 1:58:36.960 Somebody's on their phone. That's fine, that be on your phone. 1:58:36.960 --> 1:58:38.000 I'm just like, you're doing my thing. 1:58:38.040 --> 1:58:39.080 But it is this. 1:58:39.040 --> 1:58:42.760 Weird thing, like when you like, my standards are definitely 1:58:43.480 --> 1:58:46.560 weirdly different on stage doing a piece of theater, like 1:58:46.800 --> 1:58:49.360 then I will suddenly, you know, you can get thrown 1:58:49.600 --> 1:58:54.040 a lot more easily by distractions on that setting. 1:58:54.360 --> 1:58:57.000 Yeah, the famous Patty Lapone. 1:58:56.880 --> 1:59:01.440 Oh my gosh, jump off. I mean, it's just the legend. 1:59:02.160 --> 1:59:07.680 Has anybody stopped a show with more power and assertion? 1:59:08.120 --> 1:59:08.360 Then? 1:59:08.840 --> 1:59:11.480 I saw Whoopy Goldberg in a funny thing happened on 1:59:11.480 --> 1:59:14.080 the way to Forum when I was like fifteen. 1:59:14.160 --> 1:59:16.560 And she stopped the show to yell at people who 1:59:16.560 --> 1:59:16.960 were late. 1:59:17.760 --> 1:59:19.080 Oh wow, people were late. 1:59:19.000 --> 1:59:21.120 Going to their seats, and she was like, excuse me, 1:59:21.440 --> 1:59:25.640 and it was wild. They were like, but you know, 1:59:26.480 --> 1:59:28.400 she's a punctual queen. What do you want. 1:59:28.720 --> 1:59:30.240 I think I'd stopped the show once. 1:59:30.320 --> 1:59:32.320 I think there was a time once when I was 1:59:32.360 --> 1:59:36.520 doing American Idiot, which was the Green Day show on 1:59:36.600 --> 1:59:41.000 Broadways Green Day Musical, and my character kind of narrated 1:59:41.040 --> 1:59:43.080 the show and would like be talking kind of to 1:59:43.200 --> 1:59:46.160 the audience in between songs and so if something happened 1:59:46.520 --> 1:59:48.440 at that show, I remember, I felt like what I 1:59:48.480 --> 1:59:53.000 feel if I have to say something or it wouldn't 1:59:53.000 --> 1:59:55.240 make sense to ignore it. I think I told someone 1:59:55.240 --> 1:59:57.200 to put their phone away once and that one which 1:59:57.200 --> 2:00:00.720 is with shite, I regret, but. 2:00:00.720 --> 2:00:01.080 I don't know. 2:00:01.120 --> 2:00:02.680 I was trying to I was trying to have the 2:00:02.680 --> 2:00:05.600 punk rock spirit. I was like, get up people. 2:00:06.160 --> 2:00:08.120 So is that a cool part to land? 2:00:08.960 --> 2:00:09.080 Oh? 2:00:09.120 --> 2:00:11.760 It was amazing. It was completely life changing. 2:00:11.920 --> 2:00:14.320 Yeah, it ended up being about three years of my 2:00:14.400 --> 2:00:19.200 life developing it, working really really close with Green Day. 2:00:19.280 --> 2:00:22.640 They were like very very game collaborators. They were there 2:00:22.840 --> 2:00:26.280 in rehearsals and they were so supportive and we all 2:00:26.320 --> 2:00:27.640 got really really close. 2:00:27.680 --> 2:00:30.080 I mean I met some of my best friends doing 2:00:30.160 --> 2:00:30.480 that show. 2:00:30.520 --> 2:00:33.960 My girlfriend of ten years I met doing that show. 2:00:34.480 --> 2:00:37.200 We're not together anymore, but we had a great ride. 2:00:37.280 --> 2:00:41.320 Yeah, but you know, and yeah, it was one of 2:00:41.320 --> 2:00:44.560 those moments. It was I couldn't do it now. It 2:00:44.640 --> 2:00:48.680 was so physically arduous and intense, but it was a 2:00:48.760 --> 2:00:52.320 life altering experience and it will always mean so much 2:00:52.400 --> 2:00:52.600 to me. 2:00:53.080 --> 2:00:57.520 Yeah, what is your music? Tell us about the music? 2:00:57.520 --> 2:00:59.360 Because I was like looking at your Instagram and I 2:00:59.400 --> 2:01:02.280 saw your like you're you support other bands, but like 2:01:02.320 --> 2:01:05.800 you also do solo stuff. So what's the what's your 2:01:05.840 --> 2:01:06.480 band called? 2:01:07.600 --> 2:01:10.480 It's just me, It's just John Gallagher Junior, a solo artists. 2:01:10.520 --> 2:01:12.680 I write all my own songs and put out my 2:01:12.720 --> 2:01:16.680 own records. The first two are available on Spotify and 2:01:16.720 --> 2:01:19.280 Apple Music and all that, but they're under I was 2:01:20.280 --> 2:01:21.960 in some I don't know what I was thinking, but 2:01:22.040 --> 2:01:23.760 I was trying to make it harder for people to 2:01:23.760 --> 2:01:26.120 find my music, I guess, and I put the records 2:01:26.160 --> 2:01:28.720 out under Johnny Gallagher. So if you're looking for my 2:01:29.000 --> 2:01:32.000 you know, my professional name, it usually doesn't show up, 2:01:32.040 --> 2:01:35.440 but but yeah, it's uh. It's kind of the folk rock, 2:01:35.520 --> 2:01:40.080 singer songwriter Americana style kind of music. And I've been 2:01:41.080 --> 2:01:43.760 playing a lot of shows this year, which kind of 2:01:43.920 --> 2:01:46.360 worked out, especially with this strike with not a lot 2:01:46.360 --> 2:01:49.640 of acting work to be found. I'm playing in Chicago 2:01:49.920 --> 2:01:52.800 next week and then what venue. I'm playing at the 2:01:52.880 --> 2:01:56.680 g Man Tavern Cool in Chicago, opening for my friend's 2:01:56.760 --> 2:01:57.880 band Bandits on the Run. 2:01:58.400 --> 2:01:59.280 That'll be really fun. 2:01:59.400 --> 2:02:02.520 And then I'm going Asbury Park, New Jersey to open 2:02:02.560 --> 2:02:05.200 for my other friend's band there, and then I'm playing 2:02:05.240 --> 2:02:07.280 a full band show in Asbury Park in August with 2:02:07.320 --> 2:02:09.520 my with my full rock band, So that'll be fun. 2:02:09.560 --> 2:02:13.120 Wow, a big Jersey Shore summer for you, I do. 2:02:13.240 --> 2:02:16.880 I love the Jersey Shore, so every year I'd be going, 2:02:16.920 --> 2:02:17.880 even if I wasn't playing. 2:02:18.080 --> 2:02:21.280 Yeah, fun to play some shows they've never been, you 2:02:21.400 --> 2:02:25.080 gotta go. So Fun's an amazing town. I mean, there's 2:02:25.120 --> 2:02:28.480 just so much history. And I'm a huge Springsteen fanatic. 2:02:28.600 --> 2:02:31.920 So the Laura that is very you know, the mythology 2:02:31.960 --> 2:02:33.400 of all that is very powerful to me. 2:02:33.680 --> 2:02:36.480 Damn, and you're bringing Delaware to them. There's two other 2:02:36.520 --> 2:02:38.960 people that are famous from Delaware in my head. 2:02:38.880 --> 2:02:43.280 Oh yeah, Aubrey Plaza, Joe Biden, and now you you're 2:02:43.320 --> 2:02:47.880 a third Delaware person. It's funny they did it like 2:02:48.200 --> 2:02:49.720 this was a couple of years ago, but that like, 2:02:49.760 --> 2:02:52.160 you know, Delaware Today or one of the local magazines 2:02:52.200 --> 2:02:55.920 did like the top fifty famous people from Delaware or something, 2:02:55.960 --> 2:02:57.920 and my dad. 2:02:57.520 --> 2:03:00.960 Called me and was like, well, you're in the twenties somewhere. 2:03:01.480 --> 2:03:04.400 Really, I really didn't. I didn't stack up very high 2:03:04.440 --> 2:03:06.720 on the on the list. I was like, man, what's 2:03:06.720 --> 2:03:10.360 a guy gotta do? And Delaware to get on the map. 2:03:10.920 --> 2:03:13.480 But it's a small It's a small place, it really is. 2:03:13.560 --> 2:03:15.760 I mean I've known Aubrey since I was fourteen. 2:03:16.200 --> 2:03:16.680 Oh really? 2:03:17.360 --> 2:03:19.240 Oh yeah, I mean we dated in high school. 2:03:19.320 --> 2:03:22.440 She stop, that's this isn't exclusive. 2:03:23.160 --> 2:03:26.400 Yeah, I've known her forever. She's a dear dear friends 2:03:26.720 --> 2:03:28.000 or our families are close. 2:03:28.240 --> 2:03:30.879 That's so funny. Wow, Delaware is really small. 2:03:32.000 --> 2:03:34.320 Yeah, we met doing community theater together. 2:03:34.560 --> 2:03:35.600 Woa. 2:03:35.720 --> 2:03:38.920 She She and I were NBC pages together like before 2:03:38.960 --> 2:03:42.080 she started acting like she was right before me. So 2:03:42.280 --> 2:03:44.840 we knew a bunch of like mutual people and I 2:03:44.840 --> 2:03:47.320 would see here my improv team used to open for 2:03:47.360 --> 2:03:48.200 her improv team. 2:03:48.680 --> 2:03:50.320 Oh that's too back in the day. 2:03:50.880 --> 2:03:53.800 So like Aubrey and Neil Casey and I we were 2:03:53.840 --> 2:03:55.920 all doing theater together in Delaware. 2:03:56.120 --> 2:04:00.000 Wait, Neil is from Delaware, he is. Yeah, he's my buddy. 2:04:00.120 --> 2:04:02.760 I mean I know Neil well, like he was my teacher. 2:04:03.040 --> 2:04:06.000 We've yeah, like we used to hang out. I went 2:04:06.040 --> 2:04:08.440 to dinner at his house pre pandemic. But you know, 2:04:08.560 --> 2:04:10.040 my gosh, I haven't seen him in a minute. 2:04:10.160 --> 2:04:11.720 I haven't seen him and he just texted me the 2:04:11.720 --> 2:04:13.040 other day about something. But I haven't. 2:04:13.080 --> 2:04:14.640 I haven't seen him in such a long time, but 2:04:14.720 --> 2:04:16.120 you know he I mean, he took me to my 2:04:16.160 --> 2:04:18.080 first He took me into New York City when I 2:04:18.120 --> 2:04:21.360 was fifteen and took me to my first They might 2:04:21.360 --> 2:04:23.920 be Giants concerts because he was a diehard. They might 2:04:23.960 --> 2:04:27.040 be Giants fan. But yeah, I know I know all 2:04:27.080 --> 2:04:29.800 those guys from from back in the day. But I 2:04:29.840 --> 2:04:32.960 remember when Aubrey had the page job, like I remember himah, 2:04:33.680 --> 2:04:36.240 and she took my she took my family on the tour. 2:04:36.800 --> 2:04:39.000 And then she got a job as a page on 2:04:39.080 --> 2:04:41.440 thirty Rock, like they cast her as a and that 2:04:41.520 --> 2:04:44.120 was one of her first acting gigs. And I was like, ooh, 2:04:44.200 --> 2:04:46.520 like good idea, but I just. 2:04:46.520 --> 2:04:47.760 Never got to make that happen. 2:04:48.120 --> 2:04:50.280 Do you have anything upcoming that you want to let 2:04:50.400 --> 2:04:53.520 us know about or plug specifically to our listeners if 2:04:53.520 --> 2:04:56.240 anyone's in Asbury Park or coming. 2:04:56.880 --> 2:04:59.440 Well, yeah, on August twelfth, I'll be playing at the 2:04:59.480 --> 2:05:00.000 Stone Pone. 2:05:01.160 --> 2:05:02.640 That'll be that. I'm excited. 2:05:02.680 --> 2:05:05.080 I've never played there, played a couple of venues in Asbury, 2:05:05.120 --> 2:05:08.640 but that's a storied and historic venue, so that'll be 2:05:08.680 --> 2:05:11.040 exciting and looking forward. And then also I think that 2:05:11.560 --> 2:05:13.680 I think I can say this now. I think it's 2:05:13.720 --> 2:05:18.840 about to get announced. But in the fall, I'm going 2:05:18.920 --> 2:05:24.360 to Washington, d C. To do my third musical with 2:05:24.440 --> 2:05:27.520 Michael Mayer, who directed me in Spring Awakening an American Idiot. 2:05:27.760 --> 2:05:31.000 Wow, it's called Swept Away. It's about a shipwreck? 2:05:31.200 --> 2:05:33.160 Is it based on the book the movie? 2:05:33.600 --> 2:05:33.960 It's not? 2:05:34.280 --> 2:05:36.600 No, Okay, not related to the movie, because that's like 2:05:36.640 --> 2:05:37.960 an overboard situation. 2:05:38.160 --> 2:05:42.280 Okay, right, yes, totally no, this is it's It's written 2:05:42.280 --> 2:05:46.840 by John Logan, who wrote Gladiator and and read the 2:05:47.200 --> 2:05:50.920 Puliszer Prize winning play and many other things in a 2:05:50.960 --> 2:05:52.200 couple of movies for Martin Swizz. 2:05:52.360 --> 2:05:53.400 He's an amazing dramatist. 2:05:53.400 --> 2:05:57.400 And it's this original musical featuring songs by the Avitt Brothers, 2:05:57.600 --> 2:06:00.480 so it's all their music. But it's about a whaling 2:06:00.560 --> 2:06:02.840 vessel in the late eighteen hundreds that gets sunk by 2:06:02.840 --> 2:06:05.560 a storm and then four survivors end up stuck on 2:06:05.600 --> 2:06:08.040 a lifeboat. But I'll be starring in that at Arena 2:06:08.080 --> 2:06:10.200 Stage in Washington, DC in November. 2:06:10.320 --> 2:06:11.520 Wow. Huge. 2:06:11.760 --> 2:06:14.120 Yeah, it's my first time back on stage on the 2:06:14.120 --> 2:06:15.720 East Coast in about six years. 2:06:15.720 --> 2:06:16.960 So I'm really excited about that. 2:06:17.120 --> 2:06:18.880 Oh so cool. 2:06:19.960 --> 2:06:22.520 And then I'm thinking, I just feel like before I go, 2:06:22.600 --> 2:06:24.440 if there's any like any any. 2:06:24.840 --> 2:06:27.640 Any little tidbits the two things I was thinking of. 2:06:27.720 --> 2:06:29.040 I was like, what are the things I want to 2:06:29.080 --> 2:06:32.680 say about my remember, like my experience. See, I think 2:06:32.680 --> 2:06:36.200 I've mostly touched on the main things. The one thing 2:06:36.440 --> 2:06:40.879 that I'll never forget about it was Chris and Marishka. 2:06:41.080 --> 2:06:46.080 Like watching them work on that set is like it 2:06:46.120 --> 2:06:50.640 is bananas, because I've never seen two people that like 2:06:50.960 --> 2:06:54.160 had a The only other person I could maybe say 2:06:54.280 --> 2:06:56.440 was like I did some episodes of Westworld with Evan 2:06:56.520 --> 2:06:59.480 rachel Wood and like her ability to kind of drop 2:06:59.520 --> 2:07:02.480 into this, you know, this like robot character that she 2:07:02.600 --> 2:07:06.600 was playing was so stunning. But watching Chris and Marishkia 2:07:06.720 --> 2:07:09.040 like they were cracking jokes and they were laughing. They 2:07:09.040 --> 2:07:11.800 were like hysterical in the corner together and then as 2:07:11.800 --> 2:07:15.160 soon as they roll sound and are about to tell action, 2:07:15.640 --> 2:07:19.920 they drop into that mode that we all watch every week. 2:07:20.160 --> 2:07:23.760 And like the ease with which they can slide in 2:07:23.880 --> 2:07:28.800 and out of those intense characters was like masterclass where 2:07:28.800 --> 2:07:31.880 I was right, you don't have to be method to 2:07:32.040 --> 2:07:35.240 like sync so so deep into like the mode of 2:07:35.560 --> 2:07:36.320 those characters. 2:07:36.440 --> 2:07:38.240 They just knew those characters so well. 2:07:38.920 --> 2:07:42.560 And I remember being totally totally blown away by that. 2:07:46.680 --> 2:07:47.800 I liked his vibe. 2:07:48.720 --> 2:07:51.280 Cool guy. Check out his music. He's allowed to promote 2:07:51.280 --> 2:07:53.720 his music and you're allowed to go see it. Go 2:07:53.960 --> 2:07:59.360 check out his music, and you're allowed to go to Broadway. Yeah, 2:08:00.000 --> 2:08:02.640 oh see the theater, guys. This is this is Broadway's 2:08:02.680 --> 2:08:06.040 time to shine now that there'll be nothing but Love Island, 2:08:06.240 --> 2:08:09.840 Tucson going on or whatever on TV for a long time. 2:08:11.560 --> 2:08:14.280 What did we think about this episode? So many twists 2:08:14.320 --> 2:08:17.640 and turns. I mean, it's it's a classic. 2:08:17.800 --> 2:08:20.440 I mean we talked about it up top, like it 2:08:20.520 --> 2:08:23.840 really is an episode that has stuck with me since 2:08:23.880 --> 2:08:26.200 I saw it, Like Bad Wong just lives in my 2:08:26.240 --> 2:08:28.640 brain with all those little science facts and. 2:08:28.600 --> 2:08:30.120 All those little hidden diseases. 2:08:30.760 --> 2:08:34.480 Yeah, but it is like, oh god, it reminds me 2:08:34.560 --> 2:08:36.760 of that. What episode is it where there's like this 2:08:36.840 --> 2:08:41.440 Italian guy who can't sleep. Is it beef, No, it's 2:08:41.680 --> 2:08:46.280 it's it's bombshell, bombshell. Yeah, this guy where it's like 2:08:46.440 --> 2:08:49.880 only people from an island in Sicily have this disease 2:08:49.920 --> 2:08:50.400 that they can. 2:08:50.440 --> 2:08:53.600 From an all Italian village of like three hundred people 2:08:53.680 --> 2:08:55.760 get it and they only live like a year after 2:08:55.760 --> 2:08:59.960 they're diagnosed. Like, yeah, they just must scour the internet 2:09:00.120 --> 2:09:02.320 for like obscure diseases and things. 2:09:02.320 --> 2:09:03.960 But that's like what House does too. Did you ever 2:09:04.000 --> 2:09:04.560 watch House? 2:09:04.920 --> 2:09:07.320 No, but they show up in my YouTube shorts, A 2:09:07.320 --> 2:09:08.640 lot of House shows up. 2:09:08.960 --> 2:09:10.920 Yeah, at House clips House. 2:09:11.000 --> 2:09:13.600 The premisive House is that people are always lying to 2:09:13.640 --> 2:09:15.920 their doctor. Like people will just come in and be like, 2:09:16.040 --> 2:09:18.560 I don't know what's going on. I suddenly am smacking 2:09:18.640 --> 2:09:21.880 myself NonStop or whatever, and then it always turns out 2:09:21.960 --> 2:09:25.560 that they lied to him about something and that what's 2:09:25.600 --> 2:09:28.240 really going on is that they are cheating. Like I 2:09:28.280 --> 2:09:31.040 saw one where this girl had this disease and it 2:09:31.080 --> 2:09:33.200 turned out that the guy was coming up to he 2:09:33.320 --> 2:09:36.000 was shimming up a tree to see her at night, 2:09:36.040 --> 2:09:38.280 but they were lying about the relationship and he got 2:09:38.280 --> 2:09:40.000 a tick and the tick. 2:09:39.840 --> 2:09:41.480 Was like in her pubic hair. 2:09:41.920 --> 2:09:44.320 So she had some kind of like tick born illness 2:09:44.320 --> 2:09:47.160 that wasn't even lying that was making her so sick. 2:09:47.200 --> 2:09:49.360 And House had to like go under with tweezers and 2:09:49.400 --> 2:09:51.600 like take this tick out. But like that's at the 2:09:51.720 --> 2:09:53.640 very last minute of the show when she's coding and 2:09:53.680 --> 2:09:56.480 about to die because she didn't want to confess her affair. 2:09:57.080 --> 2:09:59.640 Like it's crazy. House is wild, but I did enjoy 2:09:59.680 --> 2:10:00.640 it that guy. 2:10:00.840 --> 2:10:02.320 So it's just people lying. 2:10:02.960 --> 2:10:05.440 I mean no, it's also like obscure medical things and 2:10:05.480 --> 2:10:07.120 it's all the point of the show is that House 2:10:07.240 --> 2:10:09.480 is like rogue and does whatever he wants and he's 2:10:09.520 --> 2:10:12.600 like a genius, you know. But like it's also like 2:10:13.080 --> 2:10:14.800 the bottom line a lot of the times is like 2:10:14.880 --> 2:10:16.200 just fucking tell your doctor the truth. 2:10:16.240 --> 2:10:17.080 I know you're embarrassed. 2:10:17.120 --> 2:10:19.240 It's like what I said about my mother in law 2:10:19.320 --> 2:10:21.360 working at the er, and it's like, oh, I slipped 2:10:21.400 --> 2:10:23.320 and fell and a light bulb went up your ass. 2:10:23.360 --> 2:10:27.560 I don't believe that. Like it's just tell the glass, 2:10:27.760 --> 2:10:30.600 Like why are you putting it up there? I don't know. 2:10:31.280 --> 2:10:34.600 I think I don't know. It's it's horrible. 2:10:35.000 --> 2:10:37.600 Like if a light bulb breaks, my butt clenches up 2:10:37.600 --> 2:10:40.360 because of that sliver, those slivers of glass, You're like. 2:10:40.560 --> 2:10:42.760 Get out of the way, nobody step on it. Oh 2:10:42.800 --> 2:10:44.959 my god. Yeah, I've been finding glass in my apartment 2:10:45.080 --> 2:10:45.560 for a while. 2:10:45.600 --> 2:10:48.000 I was yeah, I might need to borrow your my 2:10:48.120 --> 2:10:52.480 dice and slash your dicense my dirt devil. 2:10:52.240 --> 2:10:54.520 Is not doing a good job. Yes, for sure, you 2:10:54.560 --> 2:10:57.640 can dust. Of course you have a dirt du I 2:10:57.640 --> 2:11:01.040 have a dirt devil. Oh disgusting. 2:11:01.680 --> 2:11:04.880 But I also saw Spring Awakening on Broadway, and it's like, 2:11:04.960 --> 2:11:06.880 I just want to know if I saw the original 2:11:06.960 --> 2:11:07.960 castron on and I don't think. 2:11:07.880 --> 2:11:10.960 I'll ever be able to know. I keep on my playbills, 2:11:11.760 --> 2:11:12.000 I know. 2:11:12.040 --> 2:11:14.400 I actually just got rid of my most recent ones too, 2:11:14.640 --> 2:11:16.000 Like I just I don't know. 2:11:16.720 --> 2:11:18.720 It's it's hoarting. I don't know why I do it. 2:11:18.600 --> 2:11:20.400 It's like they're all in a trunk that I haven't 2:11:20.440 --> 2:11:22.240 opened in truly ten years. 2:11:23.360 --> 2:11:26.480 Yeah, it's fine, it's oh yeah, you're seeing Titanic or 2:11:26.640 --> 2:11:28.240 only Broadway play. 2:11:28.440 --> 2:11:31.240 Actually, so the release of this, As of the release 2:11:31.280 --> 2:11:33.440 of this, I will have seen Titanic, So I will 2:11:33.480 --> 2:11:35.720 review it in a couple of weeks on the podcast 2:11:35.760 --> 2:11:36.720 when we're back. 2:11:36.840 --> 2:11:37.600 From our little break. 2:11:37.640 --> 2:11:40.160 We're in the time machine super big now because we're 2:11:40.160 --> 2:11:41.880 taking a little break for August so we can go 2:11:41.920 --> 2:11:44.280 on a little summer vacation, because don't we deserve it. 2:11:44.560 --> 2:11:47.240 Yeah, we're like New York therapists. We need to get 2:11:47.320 --> 2:11:51.840 August off. We're real people. I was about to say, 2:11:51.880 --> 2:11:53.920 we're totally Paris and we're shut down. 2:11:53.960 --> 2:11:56.080 What we learned from this episode is don't let your 2:11:56.160 --> 2:11:58.000 kids put things in their mouth. And if they're putting 2:11:58.040 --> 2:12:00.240 you in hair out, they might have pika. 2:12:00.280 --> 2:12:01.760 I know what I want for my birthday. 2:12:02.320 --> 2:12:04.880 What I want an edible pencil, and then I want 2:12:04.880 --> 2:12:06.880 to bite into it like he did on the stamps. 2:12:08.600 --> 2:12:11.760 Okay, it is today is August twenty two that this 2:12:11.840 --> 2:12:13.520 is coming out, but recording it earlier, so I have 2:12:13.560 --> 2:12:16.760 approximately three or four weeks to find you an edible pencil. 2:12:16.800 --> 2:12:18.640 Okay, Okay, I'm gonna get. 2:12:18.920 --> 2:12:20.360 We have to go to rent and then you have 2:12:20.400 --> 2:12:22.280 to rent out a courthouse, and then I'm going to 2:12:22.440 --> 2:12:25.120 sit on the stand and bite into the pencil. 2:12:26.120 --> 2:12:28.120 And I have to instruct everybody that I've hired to 2:12:28.120 --> 2:12:32.360 be extras to not react at all. Well, I just 2:12:32.440 --> 2:12:35.560 googled edible pencils and I do not like what I'm finding. Okay, 2:12:35.960 --> 2:12:38.280 let's move on, guys. Let's get to our what would 2:12:38.280 --> 2:12:41.080 Sister Peg do this? That's our weekly segment where we 2:12:41.120 --> 2:12:43.680 direct you to more information about what we covered in 2:12:43.720 --> 2:12:47.520 today's episode, be it a documentary, an article, a charitable organization, 2:12:48.000 --> 2:12:51.160 et cetera. And this week we are like we would 2:12:51.160 --> 2:12:52.800 like to point you to an article on the World 2:12:52.800 --> 2:12:55.520 Health Organization's website about the health effects that lead. 2:12:55.320 --> 2:12:56.720 Poisoning can have on children. 2:12:57.080 --> 2:12:59.400 As we learned in this episode, at high levels of exposure, 2:12:59.480 --> 2:13:01.640 lad attack the brain and central nervous system. It can 2:13:01.680 --> 2:13:05.640 cause cooma, convulsions, even death. Children who survive severe lead 2:13:05.640 --> 2:13:08.840 poisoning may be left with intellectual disability and behavioral disorders. 2:13:09.040 --> 2:13:11.000 So this article showcases some of the main roots for 2:13:11.040 --> 2:13:13.440 exposure to lead poisoning and for more info you can 2:13:13.520 --> 2:13:15.480 check out the link. We always put it in our 2:13:15.480 --> 2:13:18.200 show notes and it will be on our Instagram stories 2:13:18.280 --> 2:13:20.640 the day that this episode releases and saved forever in 2:13:20.680 --> 2:13:23.640 our WWSPD highlight on our Instagram page. 2:13:23.960 --> 2:13:27.960 Thank you so much for doing that. And next we 2:13:28.200 --> 2:13:30.600 will be what why do I sound like a robot? 2:13:30.640 --> 2:13:33.000 All right? Next? I'm fun. I'm a fun girl. I'm 2:13:33.040 --> 2:13:34.400 not a robot, all right. 2:13:34.520 --> 2:13:38.120 Next week we'll be doing the episode Totem Season twelve, 2:13:38.240 --> 2:13:43.600 Episode twenty Get into It, Baby Boom Boom, goes the dynamite. 2:13:43.600 --> 2:13:45.720 We're obsessed with all of you. See you next week. 2:13:45.920 --> 2:13:49.280 Hopefully we weren't too wild before we were. 2:13:49.560 --> 2:13:50.720 I don't know what they always are. 2:13:51.080 --> 2:14:04.680 Bye, guys, That's Messed Up as an Exactly Right production. 2:14:05.120 --> 2:14:07.240 If you have compliments you'd like to give us, or 2:14:07.320 --> 2:14:09.520 episodes you'd like us to cover, shoot us an email 2:14:09.560 --> 2:14:13.000 at That's Messed uppod at gmail dot com. 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