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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: First off, Bro, we like to man, thank you for

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Speaker 2: coming on the show.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: You know you I guy. Man. Man, we'd have been

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Speaker 2: jont day we came into the NBA. Man, you always

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Speaker 2: showed us love and man every time we see you. Man,

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Speaker 2: you're the same person, man, and both of us we

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Speaker 2: really do appreciate that. Man, We appreciate you coming on here.

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Speaker 3: Knuckle ahead day once.

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Speaker 2: The first question I want to ask you when you

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Speaker 2: first got to the league, who was the first person

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Speaker 2: to bust your ass?

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Speaker 3: Steph Marberry.

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Speaker 4: Star Berry was the first hit me with all that

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Speaker 4: the football carry move joint.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and it was in preseason.

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Speaker 4: I'm slated to like pencil then to be the starter

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Speaker 4: in Atlanta, and we in some little city in Jersey

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Speaker 4: and you know, you know, preseason, like a convention center

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Speaker 4: or something. Right, I'm thinking, Okay, I'm get off tonight.

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Speaker 4: I'm coming off summer league averaging forty it's my first

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Speaker 4: preseason game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And then I looked over and Steph was in the lineup.

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Speaker 4: I said, old, I'm supposed to be going against the backups.

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Speaker 4: Back up, it's preseason, but it's steph and in the

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Speaker 4: flesh and man, look, he didn't take me two quarters.

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Speaker 1: It was on.

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Speaker 4: I think he dropped twenty five and two quarters on

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Speaker 4: y'all have four files. Now, Why Lennie Wilkers left me

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Speaker 4: in the game with three fouls as a mystery, but

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Speaker 4: he let me give my lumps.

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Speaker 3: I didn't start no more.

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Speaker 4: Games until the spring because he just said, young fellas,

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Speaker 4: you're not ready. He's like, that's that's an NBA point

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Speaker 4: guard right there. I said yeah, and I watched every

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Speaker 4: minute of it too, and he told my.

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Speaker 1: Ass up yo, yo yo. We live on location beautiful Dallas, Texas,

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Speaker 1: and we got the older roway. Hey, we gave a

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Speaker 1: special reason to get our partner in crime and we

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Speaker 1: go way back like fourth flesh on Cadillacs. Man, we

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Speaker 1: that won championships on every level. He is a champion

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Speaker 1: and now he's about to become a champion pretty soon

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Speaker 1: as a coach. Man, you know what I'm saying. He

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Speaker 1: pointed to the youth. The man he did a bigger

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Speaker 1: NBA champion. He did a lot of things. Man, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get into this. It's Seattle's Finest Jason the Jet

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Speaker 1: carry on the Wrong Way with the knocker Heads. We

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about like, man, when we first

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Speaker 2: in Atlanta and me and Q came out man to

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Speaker 2: that game. I have a picture. I have a picture.

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Speaker 2: I think we was at at one of the parties

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Speaker 2: doing the thing, and it's a picture of me and you,

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Speaker 2: you and Seane Mary. I meant to bring the picture,

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Speaker 2: but I forgot it home, but I'm gonna send it

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Speaker 2: to you. But I got this picture of us all

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Speaker 2: standing together. And I just remember that weekend because you know,

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Speaker 2: we did the Zoe's and all that stuff, and that

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Speaker 2: used to always throw in Atlanta. Man.

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Speaker 4: Man, it was amazing because the charity wouldn't have been

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Speaker 4: possible the event without you know, guys like yourself, you know,

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Speaker 4: and that's why they say the NBA is a true brotherhood,

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Speaker 4: you know, because we always support each other. Like you said,

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Speaker 4: we would go to Zoel's game. We'll go to Magic's game.

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Speaker 4: I did my game a I would have a game.

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Speaker 4: That's when the league to me was like, yeah, straight up,

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Speaker 4: it was on. But we got to enjoy each other

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Speaker 4: through the season, we'll get it in compete, but in

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Speaker 4: the summer it was like a celebration and we celebrated

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Speaker 4: was some good days right there.

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Speaker 2: Having that on the show to Real.

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Speaker 4: Talk, I got the v HS ride and I pop

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Speaker 4: it in from time to time. I always remember I

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Speaker 4: I had all the move went basedlineunk. He was like,

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Speaker 1: That's what about that picture? He told me. I got

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Speaker 1: the same photo, but like you know, we're gonna date

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Speaker 1: it wasn't no no, no camera phones and all that.

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Speaker 1: I got real joint from out of the club in

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Speaker 1: you got the nineteen nineties background and airbrush background behind

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Speaker 1: the uh tricks, got the two way two ways, the

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Speaker 1: with all our clothes.

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Speaker 2: Still burn, we was all wearing four eggs to the sun.

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Speaker 1: Change the ice sage changed down to stomach all lit.

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Speaker 1: Come on, man, seeaut to Washington, Like you're one of

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Speaker 1: them guys that came out of Seattle extra early and

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Speaker 1: I ain't trying to get on your age and nothing,

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Speaker 1: it's been a rush crazy coming through Seattle, like uh,

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Speaker 1: you know the Brandon Roy's, the Martell Webster, the Isaiah

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Speaker 2: Seattle really start pushing them out. And not only was

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Speaker 2: how hard it was. You know a lot of guys

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, coming from the Seattle area representing.

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Speaker 1: How is that for you to see that let you

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Speaker 3: That you're kind of like a founding father.

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Speaker 4: But it's it's a rich tradition, you know, if guys

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying. And for me, it started out with

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Speaker 4: One where you sit at his basketball camp and he'd

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Speaker 4: He was just a real one. And to hear that

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Speaker 4: it just was so impactful. So I told myself, if

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Speaker 4: I would have my camp. Then I would see like

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Speaker 4: But it was just a true brotherhood. And I can

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Speaker 4: I haven't been back as much as I would have

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Speaker 4: loved to because Seattle's me, it's all in me, is

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Speaker 3: But a guy like Jamal has.

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Speaker 4: To definitely get his his flowers because he's carried the

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Speaker 4: able to see the tradition, the rich basketball tradition that

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Speaker 1: Trip and.

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Speaker 4: One of the best arenas nobody ever knew about. But

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Speaker 4: you know, eventually Seattle will get his team back, hopefully

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Speaker 4: But again, like Jamal has done a phenomenal job of

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Speaker 2: You and Martella are cousin. Yeah, yeah, I played with Martell.

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Speaker 2: He got draft port.

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Speaker 3: Yeah for sure.

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Speaker 2: He was so talented. He can shoot, dribble, he can,

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Speaker 2: he can, he can dunk, he can. He had it,

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Speaker 2: he had it all. He told me he was tall,

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Speaker 4: Shoot the ship out of Like he's the first one

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Speaker 4: like and you know that's far and few between now,

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Speaker 4: like you looking now, you look at baby Boy, at Dejionte,

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Speaker 4: it's just a crazy legacy up there of guys that

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Speaker 3: Guys that didn't quite make it out with And you.

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Speaker 4: Know that's minihood that's still relevant in the city that

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Speaker 3: So it's just a rich tradition.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, like with cities like that,

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Speaker 2: so of course it was.

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Speaker 2: It was always guys coming out of Chicago. But with

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Speaker 2: Now with y'all, like they see you and the guys

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Speaker 2: steady coming. It just builds that that that legacy of

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Speaker 2: instead of seeing it on TV. I can see it here.

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Speaker 2: I see Jamal every summer at the at the Joint.

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Speaker 2: I might see Isaiah Thomas here and Nate rob riding around.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. That builds a city up

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Speaker 2: from a small city.

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Speaker 3: No, no, it does too.

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Speaker 4: And and for you, I mean you guys didn't have

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Speaker 4: a ProTeam, you know what I'm saying. But for us,

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Speaker 4: like we had the Sonics So we had GP at

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Speaker 4: our high school game siting court side. Then after the

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Speaker 4: game he had slide through and the bench picked you up.

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Speaker 4: Take it to get something to eat, talk about life,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So that that fueled us

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Speaker 4: Sean Kemp, same thing. He's still right around my little

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Speaker 4: now them guys, it's huge. Man, it's a culture, it's

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Speaker 2: When you came up, Hoop and who was some of

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Speaker 2: the guys that you've seen we might not know in

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Speaker 3: None of that double nah.

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Speaker 4: Now now Mike Bibbie shows up, he highly recruited. He

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Speaker 4: I'm in here six am every day, five hundred makes

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Speaker 3: It into my regiment.

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Speaker 4: And if you took the young yes, sir, one dribble

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Speaker 4: I was still hooping, I still be doing that same routine.

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Speaker 2: Could it have been anybody else? What made you choose Arizona?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 4: I committed to Washington, right, So, long story short, My

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Speaker 3: My cousin liked the lead punk returner and you his street.

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Speaker 4: You're talking about him as a little kid going to

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Speaker 3: But then Todd mccullor. Right, So when they came to

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Speaker 4: Like yeah, They're like, man, we're gonna run and gun,

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Speaker 3: We're not moving too fast doing that.

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Speaker 4: But Arizona was playing the sexy style that like everybody

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Speaker 4: the style was from Portland.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, man, no, and then it's eighty five degrees

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Speaker 3: Palm trees and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's talk about Luke. Luke one of my favorite people.

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Speaker 2: Every time I see him, he the same guy. He

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Speaker 2: always had that smile, sir man for him to you know,

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Speaker 4: One of the biggest motivating factors for me behind me

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Speaker 4: But he also was a truth teller, like you know,

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Speaker 4: and then you know, for him, it was how he

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Speaker 4: You was there, You was there, But I mean just

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Speaker 4: Well, he helped me because he said you ain't going nowhere.

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Speaker 4: stay and come back next year, it's your team. You'll

437
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Speaker 4: play forty minutes if you can, and we'll go as

438
00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,760
Speaker 4: far as you take us. And my senior year, my

439
00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:02,800
Speaker 4: freshman was like Richard Jefferson, Lukewaw and Michael Wright recipe recipe.

440
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:04,080
Speaker 1: And then A. J.

441
00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,760
Speaker 4: Browning was the only other senior And so it really

442
00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,840
Speaker 4: was on my shoulders. And I ended up being the

443
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,440
Speaker 4: player of the year in the nation in the Pac

444
00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 4: twelve and uh man, he let me shoot every ball.

445
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 1: How was it like? Now, like you know what I'm saying,

446
00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 1: You didn't page your dudes, this gout go make it.

447
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,960
Speaker 1: This guy go nice like it's your time, and it's

448
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,560
Speaker 1: like you got to do How did that feel?

449
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,119
Speaker 3: But it was a trust factor.

450
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,240
Speaker 4: It was the relationship that he had built up in me,

451
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 4: and he never told me something that never came true.

452
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,159
Speaker 4: And and for me, it was like, man, man, coach, man,

453
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,200
Speaker 4: I believed in you this far.

454
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 3: Why should I stop now?

455
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,159
Speaker 4: Because I easily could have came out and been like

456
00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,120
Speaker 4: a late first round twenty fifth something like that.

457
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,280
Speaker 3: But he like he said, just trust me.

458
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 2: How was your confidence after y'all won a championship your

459
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,439
Speaker 2: sophomore year, Oh you coming back your junior year? Like,

460
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,160
Speaker 2: how much did y'all stay.

461
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 3: A man through the roof?

462
00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,359
Speaker 4: Because again, like we we okay, we over exceeded expert taste,

463
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 4: we win, and we a man.

464
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 3: It was rock star.

465
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 4: So now it's like every time we stepped out there, man,

466
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 4: we're the best. Like, I don't care who you are,

467
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 4: what you're thinking, but our whole team came back. Really,

468
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,400
Speaker 4: Miles Simon should have left. He was the final four

469
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,879
Speaker 4: m v P and then it would have just been myself,

470
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 4: Baby Dickerson and uh and Bramley, but.

471
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Speaker 3: Everybody out.

472
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you the other reason about no damn

473
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 1: louis Michael right from Chicago.

474
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Speaker 4: I ain't just like that right, But what really gave

475
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 4: us constant we was getting stacked Jack Stack. Jack was

476
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 4: on campus for a month in October and he was

477
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 4: getting ready to rumble with us, but then his test

478
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 4: scores came.

479
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 3: He didn't qualify, so he ended.

480
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Speaker 1: Up going.

481
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 2: Michael Dickons had whole life, his whole life.

482
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 4: I don't know what they feed his baby formula.

483
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, he looked like he was built like a

484
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 2: super hero, got longer when he got to the When

485
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 2: I first got the league, he played with Vancouver and

486
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 2: she was strong.

487
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 3: I mean, that's my brother.

488
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mike, that's another reason why I came to Arizona's well,

489
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,360
Speaker 4: even though on my visit he was crying on the payphone.

490
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 4: He had a whole bag of quarters. He's sitting on

491
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Speaker 4: the payphone like, man, I got to get out of here.

492
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 1: Man.

493
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 3: He crying like I gotta get I gotta go home.

494
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 3: This ain't it.

495
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 4: And I was like, man, Mike, is that bad? It

496
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 4: can't be that bad. Yeah, he was like, no, I

497
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 4: got to get out of here. But he ended up

498
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 4: staying and then I came and worked it.

499
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 2: Out because he was y'all feels real perfect. Nobody did

500
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: the same thing. Everybody seemed like they played a role.

501
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 2: That's why. Yeah.

502
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, his career got cut short, but he's one of

503
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 4: the greatest players to ever come out of Washington State.

504
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 2: The year y'all won the championship in college like what click?

505
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 2: Like what between that? Like click? Because y'all won the Favorites.

506
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 2: You know what, I'm saying, you know, they always got

507
00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 2: the North Carolina, the Dukes and all the Kentucky and stuff.

508
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 2: What click because I remember like it seemed like it

509
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: wasn't nothing. Then tournament time came around, it was like, yeah,

510
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 2: they popping everybody right.

511
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 4: Well for us, I mean, at any level, to win

512
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 4: a championship, you have to start in your role and

513
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 4: get everybody to buy into that equation, that formula. And

514
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 4: it took for us to get to the NCAA tournament

515
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 4: before we realized, like, Okay, you're the six man with JT. T.

516
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 4: You the six man, Mike d you are leading scorer, Miles,

517
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 4: you get it done in the clutch.

518
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 3: We coming to you.

519
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 4: Mike Bibby, you do your thing, big y'all set screens

520
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 4: and rebound and block shots. Once everybody bought into that shit,

521
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 4: we just start clicking. And then we knock off number

522
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 4: one Kansas. Then we beat sham Guy at Providence. Then

523
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 4: we knock off Twin Jamison and Vince Carter in the

524
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 4: final four. Then we see Kentucky. Now Kentucky didn't have

525
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 4: Derek Anderson. That was the biggest blessing in the world

526
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 4: because you.

527
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: Already know.

528
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 3: Call with it.

529
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 4: But they did have Ron Mercer, Nazi, Muhammad mc glue, McCarty. Yeah,

530
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 4: they had them guys. So it was like, man, they

531
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 4: have pros. We wouldn't hear nobody beat seven.

532
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 3: Nine seven?

533
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: When did the hot socks become popular?

534
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: For you?

535
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 2: Man? Like you was one of the guys. That the

536
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: reason I will high socks because I that these high

537
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: sides to these you can't even see can't even see

538
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: his legs.

539
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 1: He's just out there move.

540
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 3: That was the whole design and purpose.

541
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 4: You don't want to see these bird legs and the

542
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 4: little skinny little bird legs. So I've seen a picture

543
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 4: of my Pops in a yearbook and the pay howmage

544
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 4: to him and tribute to him. In highest level he

545
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 4: played was high school. But I know he loved balls

546
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 4: like i'ma rock him like Pops. But in high school

547
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 4: I would do one leg up, one leg damn. But

548
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 4: that was Carr Revind Knight. I was always looking for

549
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 4: the next thing to do, you know what I mean, Like,

550
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 4: you know, baggy shorts, fab five, black socks, fast five,

551
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 4: like we just always wanted to emulate greatness. And so

552
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 4: but then I was like, man, okay, you got the

553
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 4: one skinny legs sticking out.

554
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 3: Man, just cover both of them.

555
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 4: Then I'm wearing like five pair of socks because I

556
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 4: hated the way it felt on the shoes. Yeah, you

557
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 4: gotta have some cushion.

558
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 2: That's what he told them, that.

559
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 4: From stopping gold. So Nah, that the hot socks. It's

560
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 4: just a part of me.

561
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: So so, like you mentioned earlier, you said, you know,

562
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: you slick watches while you brought the headband. But I

563
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: feel like, in a real way, your class, our class.

564
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: When we got there, we we put it back on

565
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: the map and put it back in the NBA to

566
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: where the end we forced their hand because you remember

567
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 1: we was able when we started doing it. You meet

568
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: him whatever. We could wear a Jordan headband and a

569
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: dand a Nike hit our own headband that we brought

570
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: in just playing white or blue or orange or whatever.

571
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: But like once it took off the way it did.

572
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: You remember we used to be able to get our

573
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: numbers on the league and David starting on the you

574
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: gotta respect them. They're smart. They saw they said, nah,

575
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: that's money. Yeah, and they took and they said, y'all,

576
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: no more Jordan, no more Nike, no more d this

577
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: We're gonna put the NBA logo on here, and this

578
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: is what y'all career or y'all came. Then we be

579
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: to our own socks and everything Nankey Jordan's socks, whatever

580
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: they wanted. That thing all went and changed.

581
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 4: Well, that goes to the business of basketball. And that's

582
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 4: when you really understand, like this thing is bigger. You

583
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 4: know then just us right, you're part of something bigger.

584
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 4: But I'll go back to like you said, remember the

585
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 4: dress call. We didn't have a dress call. We was

586
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 4: coming with with throwback jerseys. I still got to call

587
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 4: anybody want some of them three ninety nine, come pick

588
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 4: them up.

589
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 3: I got a.

590
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 2: Whole like.

591
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 4: I got man Man, but it was no dress call,

592
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 4: head band through whatever you wanted to come to however

593
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 4: you was comfortable coming to work.

594
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 3: Then they changed that.

595
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 4: Now you got some big walking suits and your and

596
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 4: what the Steve Harvey edition suits.

597
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: But that was when we first came in. Everybody that

598
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: was in the NBA from I would probably say like

599
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: ninety nine, ninety ninety nine to probably like two thousand

600
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: and at least four or five at least four, everybody

601
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: had them Donald Pliner shoes. The walker game, right, listen

602
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:36,719
Speaker 1: when these people here, Donald Planers, everybody.

603
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: Them guys, them guys made a lot of money off dress.

604
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: The guys buy suits walk because guys was by the

605
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 2: whole package.

606
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 3: Name used to be in the hallway broke.

607
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 4: Hey this stuff, buddy, I got you look for you.

608
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 4: Brook always has something for you. I had the homies

609
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 4: with you because hes gonna have him. Let come back

610
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 4: to the room the home. He got a whole wards. Hey, man,

611
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 4: hold on for Rooke. Don't put that on my tail. Crew,

612
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 4: come with an invoice for hold on.

613
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 3: There said no price.

614
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: Leaving.

615
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 3: Got a build for ten hours for.

616
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 2: Us to start getting the sweet in the hotel.

617
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: We was there.

618
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 2: Everything.

619
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, but no, but Ai really set the trend. Force

620
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 4: is an icon iconic figure. And when you talk about

621
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 4: just being you who you are, that's what it was

622
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 4: for us. He made were like that gave us our identity.

623
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 4: The head band right the long he took so.

624
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: He took the He took all of the all of

625
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: the brunt of it. For when they got through him

626
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: like that, it was cool like he stood there with

627
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: the catalysts and took it all. And then it was

628
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: like now we could we could do whatever we want

629
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: ain't gonna talk crazy, No for sure, for sure, tell

630
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: me about your draft process. How mean, how many workouts

631
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: you want?

632
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 5: On?

633
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: Man?

634
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 4: So it's thirteen lottery teams. I went to all thirteen

635
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 4: cities in sixteen days. I wanted all the smoke, like

636
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 4: they say, all the young boys all went up the chimney.

637
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 3: Because I knew it was five of us.

638
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: It was you able to get the smoke though, because

639
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: you know back then they was had and said we

640
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: ain't get the plagugainst each.

641
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 3: Other like that got it all.

642
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 4: Andre Miller was one Baron Davis Steve Francis, and the

643
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 4: other one was and Will Avery that went to do okay.

644
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 4: So it was five of us and they were like, okay,

645
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 4: it's thirteen picks. We were only gonna pick. You know,

646
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 4: I don't know if all five y'all can get picked

647
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 4: in the top thirteen. So my theme was I got

648
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 4: to go to every workout with all these cats BD.

649
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 4: I was already seeing them twice anyway a year pac twelve,

650
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 4: Andre Miller, I played them twice already, so I already knew,

651
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 4: like I can handle them, but I want to be

652
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 4: in their workout. So the scouts could see him. I

653
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 4: really and Dre noticed. I really went in Seattle. You

654
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 4: in my home, I'm in that facility anyway working out.

655
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 4: I was real comfortable. That probably was one of my

656
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 4: best workouts. I really did something special to him. I

657
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 4: wish we had the VHS so I could show everybody

658
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 4: what I did to this man in the workout.

659
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 1: People don't know.

660
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: Man, if you take you through the draft protest that

661
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: workout is real, you might do a.

662
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: I tell people. I tell people like now, you know,

663
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: even when I worked at Detroit work I was in

664
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: the front of You're trying to watching work out like

665
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: ship and like you get you know, like I'm I'm

666
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: coming in, I'm asking who, who who? What we had today?

667
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: That something? I'm like, well, who else it? Like, well,

668
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: they wanted to have such such, but they just wouldn't

669
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: let him come in, and you got something I'm about

670
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: to be weak with. Like listen, one of the greatest

671
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: workouts we've ever been involved in. It was in or

672
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: Land up me him, Mike Miller. Mike Miller came on

673
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: side Mary Johnson. Like when I say it was going

674
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about this was one of the ones

675
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: where it was like you get every all of us

676
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: was the same. We all wanted whoever looking. So it

677
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: was like when we got that in there, like boy,

678
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: it was.

679
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: Everybody.

680
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: It was like it was like the one like I remember,

681
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: like years later we all talking about it like bruh,

682
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: you remember like him, like think about fresh coming out

683
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: prime him and Damar Johnson, how they was both with

684
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: the ball and they got each other.

685
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,959
Speaker 4: And they had to It was. I really admired that

686
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 4: process because, like you said, they was letting us get

687
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 4: it and.

688
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: See who looking for it, who want.

689
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: It, and who ain't.

690
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: And I've seen a lot of people not get drafted,

691
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: and this is what this look. I was glad, Like

692
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: I'll say this about that part of the process because

693
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: I was glad. You remember I got me and him

694
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: what we very very rarely got to work out together,

695
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: like that was one of the few. So he'll be going,

696
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: we were staying together, working out together. Then we would

697
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: go here there I'm hitting him. You know, he was

698
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: really doing dinners and ship basically he had a couple

699
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: of work. He had a couple of real but like

700
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: I told, I'm out there hunting everybody here and I'm

701
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: sitting there like I felt like I was dog walking people.

702
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: I felt like it didn't matter. I felt like people

703
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: had their minds made up, like this is this guy's

704
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: got this potential whatever, whatever. And I felt like, because

705
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: you remember every probably I mean every work I'm comfortable, Yeah,

706
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: took his head off, took his head off, whoever I

707
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: get a hold to, I'm like, I still want the team. Bro.

708
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: I was so motherfucking man.

709
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

710
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 4: But I try to tell my young boys, like I

711
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 4: helped Isaiah through his draft process. He went through something

712
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 4: irrelevant and if I told you, you would think I

713
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 4: was lying. If I told you, like he killed every

714
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 4: workout he went to I'm talking about it wasn't even

715
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 4: close that he was the best player in the gym. So,

716
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 4: but sitting on that side with management, because after I

717
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 4: got finished, I was assistant gym with the Legends, and

718
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 4: I've been in a lot of those workouts, and now

719
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 4: sitting on the other side, I was looking like, man,

720
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 4: they already know who they're going to pick. They do

721
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 4: for you to change their mind and put that doubt

722
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 4: in there, like I think we need to go.

723
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: With this one.

724
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: That's what pissed me off. They didn't do that.

725
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they didn't do it. And they didn't do

726
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 4: it in his case either. He ended up getting lucky

727
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 4: and getting draft you know where he did.

728
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: This is the realist thing, all right, Agent, we got

729
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: the same agent Handilson's day one. We ain't never changed

730
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: filth flower Jeff Weston from day one, from day one,

731
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: like this, this this real go time we at the draft.

732
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: He back and forth between his table and my tap.

733
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: We ain't got to know this guy there, this is

734
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: our guy, Jeff. So our table was right next to

735
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,239
Speaker 1: each other. Thee miles going number three, boom bang. He

736
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: now he moved from his table to my table. I'm

737
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,239
Speaker 1: sitting there, pick go by, pick up. I'm saying, you

738
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: know how we are. I'm sitting here. This dude, I'm

739
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: better than him. I took his lunch money. I bust

740
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: his ass. He can't fuck with me.

741
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 2: He know it.

742
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: They know what the fuck going on. And I got

743
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: to sit here in front family, here, everybody's table. I'm

744
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: sitting here, and Jeff knew, he knew how pissed I was.

745
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: He kept he was like, listen, he was trying. You

746
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: know how your age is trying. They trying their job

747
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: to calm you down, keep you cool, because he was

748
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm he know I'm hot, and he was

749
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: like listen, he was like, this is before I even

750
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: got picked. This was like, well I thought I was

751
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: gonna get picked that like, uh, I forgot thought. I

752
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: was like twasted one of the Boston once the lottery,

753
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: once the lottery passed.

754
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 2: That was you know, just that that means a lot

755
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: of repass Brot Tam Miln.

756
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: He came up and he came out. He came up there.

757
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: That's when that's when we had step aside until he say, listen,

758
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: I want you to remember this. He was like, this

759
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: is not a sprint. He was like, I'm talking about

760
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: all of this. He was like, you looking at guys

761
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: getting picked in front of you right now, you feel

762
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: like they got the one up on you. You like

763
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: this whole thing. He was like, I'm talking about you

764
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: starting out a career. He like, ain't no sprint. He

765
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: was like, you want to finish at ahead of them

766
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: at the end, no matter whether it's five, ten, fifteen,

767
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: twenty years later, and always look at the j you

768
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: know how hoops like they do the redraft. I'm number

769
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: three now, Wow, you know what I'm saying. So I'm

770
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: like it's proven, like like I always knew, but like

771
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: we gotta do a redraft after I ain't even in

772
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 1: the league no more.

773
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 4: I'm telling you being on that other side, you see

774
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 4: it happens.

775
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 1: You understanding they missed the failure.

776
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 4: To evaluate talent and forecast like where this kid's gonna

777
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 4: end up in the impact he could have right in

778
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 4: the in the league, like they miss They do it

779
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,959
Speaker 4: all the time and they watch think about how many

780
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 4: times they seen you play. I've been over there. I'm

781
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 4: sitting there that games like they ain't got it. They

782
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 4: take me five minutes to evaluate talent to know if

783
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 4: he got it or not, like I might your trick,

784
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 4: I might your trick, but he ain't got it.

785
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna tell you what. I'm gonna tell you

786
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: what had me not not in position to be a

787
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: pro scout because like this was my pet peeve of everything.

788
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: I swear to god, you don't heard me talk about it,

789
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to sit here in no room

790
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: of people and argue over a player to be arguing

791
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: like before we start arguing over him, like can't he

792
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: bugie right, can't he hoop. Were just gonna argue over

793
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: some new points because if the motherfucker can't hoop, I

794
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about. Let's whip the pad to

795
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 1: the next one. Like why are we about to sit

796
00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: here like it would be you you didn't been in. No,

797
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: you'll sit there and have a twenty minute argument. Oh,

798
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: motherfucker that nobody cares about. But we just got caught

799
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: up on some little words that he said that I

800
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: want to say, Man, while we talking.

801
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 4: About him, right, because the analytics told you so, But

802
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 4: the analytics don't tell you when that clock is winding

803
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 4: down with ten seconds left and Kobe's looking at him,

804
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 4: is he's still gonna get to his back?

805
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: It ain't even about that to me. You want to

806
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: know what it was about to me? And I don't

807
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: like because, like you know how it is fussed. They

808
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: tell us it's ex players. You can't walk in through

809
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: with your resume. Oh, to a certain degree, I understand it,

810
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: But why the fuck wouldn't I walk in the door

811
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: with my thirteen years and my whole life of sitting

812
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: next to people and understanding why certain teammates work and

813
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: certain don't. And I know why y'all don't because just

814
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: what you just said, y'all got the analyst. You ain't

815
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: never had no teammate. You've been with your fucking computer

816
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: by yourself the whole time, Like you know what I'm saying.

817
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: So like I'm just being real because I've sat next

818
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: to a motherfucker my whole life teammates. I've had teammates

819
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: my whole life since i was five six years old.

820
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: I think I have something to say about this that

821
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: that Mike I help motherfucker like you haven't had a

822
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: teammate I have. I know why he worked with this

823
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: guy and he don't mix with those guys because I

824
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: had teammates like him before.

825
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 4: You know what, you might want to listen to that.

826
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 4: Oh they will when you walk out, then that's when

827
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 4: they go nuts and be like, yeah, we gotta do

828
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 4: day Drew better protect it.

829
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: You gotta drive it to Atlanta. And Atlanta is not

830
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: like every other city. Atlanta is a place that like

831
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: our Black Show, you know, you know when you get

832
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: to a city like that and you just see most

833
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: of the population your color, most of the people come

834
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: into the games and the whole environment and the culture.

835
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 2: How was it to go to Atlanta after you know,

836
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: you'd have been to Arizona and you have been this place,

837
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: but you get driveted to Atlanta and like I say,

838
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: Atlanta is a different culture than every other city in

839
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: the United States, Like how how was that for you?

840
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: They feel like at home, like I'm around my people,

841
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 2: Like how did it feel for you?

842
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 4: Well for me, you know, coming from Seattle, which is

843
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 4: sort of a melting pot, like we have a huge

844
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 4: Asian population, white population, and black so it's kind of

845
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 4: mixed a little bit. To come down there and to

846
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 4: see us like police officers, black police officers, black judges,

847
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 4: you know, just a lot of.

848
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 2: Us actually with my positions.

849
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 4: With money, successful entertainers, actors. But then like you didn't

850
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 4: have to go to their neighborhood. They're like, wherever you at,

851
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 4: we'll go eat. We'll go to uh name it, we'll

852
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 4: go wherever they gonna be there, like you and Bucket,

853
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 4: they're there, and we would all go eat, we'll go out,

854
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 4: we'll hang out. And we was all friends. And it

855
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 4: wasn't like nobody was trying to show nobody up or nothing.

856
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 4: We were just all having it at that particular time. Man,

857
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 4: For me, man, it was a great experience. Like I

858
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 4: wouldn't trade that for nothing in the world. I don't

859
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 4: even know if I could have got drafted to another city,

860
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 4: I don't even know what that would.

861
00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: Have been, you know what I mean.

862
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 4: But I know being around Mike Vick at the time, right,

863
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 4: Alan Evison was in Atlanta. He wasn't playing there, but

864
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 4: he was always there. Ray lewis right b m F

865
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 4: Like this is all all the people too, So everybody

866
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 4: Jermaine Duprie, like the name of Nelly, all them ludicrous

867
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 4: t I jeez, Like there was all our circle of

868
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 4: guys that we hang like one o'clock when they show

869
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 4: up to the club. Were showing up to the club

870
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 4: like it was no secret.

871
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 3: But we ain't called ahead and been like yo, we're

872
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 3: gonna need.

873
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 5: It was.

874
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: Other Always it was all come on over here and

875
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 2: get being about all the bottles.

876
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: Okay, we go we go.

877
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 3: Share with them. It wasn't no, it was all love.

878
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 4: And to me that you miss that now in city

879
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 4: in cities like it's just not that Like if you

880
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 4: were to go out nowadays, you really don't see that

881
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 4: like together, it's more of a combativeness, like we're over

882
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 4: here now we all together, like we and it was

883
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 4: a celibate of life to me.

884
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: That's what it was.

885
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 4: My time in Atlanta. We all along, we all made

886
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 4: it and you missed that. But it was a special

887
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 4: time in my life. Man, I'll never forget it.

888
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: You was in a position where I felt like you

889
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: in Atlanta. You started to play good around your contract. Yeah,

890
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: and I think they offered you a big line of money,

891
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: but you passed it up because you're like, shit, I

892
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 2: deserve order that with what I bring to the table

893
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: to this team. You pass it up, and then you

894
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 2: just played another year and then you get traded to

895
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: Dallas and you weren't able to get that money. Tell

896
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 2: us about that process, of that whole thing of stepping

897
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: up and betting on yourself of like, man, nah, come on,

898
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: I bring too much to the table and I played

899
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: too hard for this team for me not to be

900
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 2: in the position y'all telling me I'm the what teams do?

901
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 2: They tell you the franchise player, But sometimes back then

902
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 2: they didn't want to pay you right as the franchise player.

903
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 4: So two times in my career where that's happened, where

904
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 4: I was like and it shouldn't have been like this,

905
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 4: but I kind of was at my lowest point, like

906
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 4: where I'm literally just sick, like don't want to go out,

907
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 4: don't want to be with my friends. My family is

908
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 4: doing negotiations because you know you're worth you know what

909
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 4: you did out on the court, you know about when

910
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 4: you was in the meeting. Like for me with my agents,

911
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 4: I set in on every meeting because I didn't trust

912
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 4: what my agent was create the information to bring you back.

913
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 3: I want to hear it from what.

914
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 4: Stan Casting is telling me, so I'm in there. In

915
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 4: one conversation, he's like, well, you know, if you was

916
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 4: a shooting guard, we would pay you top five in

917
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 4: the league. But you're our point guard. And I'm like,

918
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 4: will you men, I'm averaging twenty and six, but what

919
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:35,959
Speaker 4: you're telling me, well, you got to be a point guard.

920
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 4: So then then I go out the next season, I

921
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 4: aver seventeen and seven. You said you want me to

922
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 4: be a point guard, so pay me like that. Andre

923
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 4: Miller gets fifty five million. I'm like, well, what we

924
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 4: talking about, Well we got twenty four for you. Well

925
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 4: no that's half for that's half. Well you getting what

926
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 4: you mean? Well, I say, listen, man, I'm just as good,

927
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 4: if not better. I got to get paid as such.

928
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 4: Baron Davis. These are all my classmates. That's the only

929
00:41:59,280 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 4: thing I can say.

930
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 2: These guys get back so much in period.

931
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 4: Oh man, but I know my worth, you know what

932
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 4: I mean. And so at that point I was like, well,

933
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 4: Atlanta's probably not gonna be home for me. You know, whenever,

934
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 4: this is opportunity, man, let's go. I have three coaches

935
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 4: in four years, and it was time. It was like

936
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 4: it was time to move on. And luckily Mark Cuban

937
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 4: came in and say today, But see what I would

938
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 4: do is during the off season. Off season was always early,

939
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 4: never in the playoffs. I would go around and watch

940
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 4: the playoff game. So I like, different city, New Orleans

941
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 4: was playing. I go see New Orleans play. BD was

942
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 4: playing Boom. I go see Mike Bibby and Sacramento they

943
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 4: playing Dallas. I stay in the hotel where they staying at.

944
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 4: I stayed for a week and then I go so

945
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 4: one time I'm in Dallas they're playing Sack. I'm in

946
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 4: the hotel wherever I go to the game. I go

947
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 4: into Mavericks' locker room. I don't even remember why.

948
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 3: I went in there.

949
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 4: But I went in there and I'm in the back office.

950
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 4: Mark Cuban walks in and he looked. He said, oh,

951
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 4: ain't you the one that hit forty seven on us

952
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 4: last season? I said yeah. He said, you know we

953
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 4: pay over here, right, I said, yeah, yeah, I know.

954
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 4: I seen that, like I see that.

955
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: The locker room was the best locker room in the league.

956
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: Man.

957
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 4: The next year came around, I was free. I wasn't

958
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 4: restrict again. I told you, I said, if this any

959
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 4: way you could, come get me, man, come get me.

960
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 4: And we was at I'm gonna tell you where we

961
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 4: was at. We was at Girds Camp in Vegas. We

962
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 4: in there hooping. I got the phone call and they

963
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 4: was like, man, you've been traded to the Mavericks.

964
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: Man.

965
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 4: I said, oh my god, thank you. I've been playing

966
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 4: two k all summer, putting myself on the marriage, loving

967
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 4: how they get down, and.

968
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 3: They ended up trading for me. So I was just

969
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 3: so excited.

970
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: Man.

971
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 4: It was just a true blessing. And Mark's always been

972
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 4: a man of his word to this day.

973
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 2: Speaking to Mark Cuban like like he's one of the

974
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: most unique owners. They is like tell him like tell

975
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: us like the impact he had on your life, not

976
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: only not only playing for him, like after playing for him,

977
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 2: business like He's one of them special characters that if

978
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: you blessed to be around here and being his presence,

979
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 2: what he brings to your life, not like he's giving

980
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: you just money, but the mental makeup of what he

981
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: brings to your life on and off the court. Tell

982
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: us about Mark and that I.

983
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 4: Mean Marks the type of person like if he rides

984
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 4: for you, he's gonna ride for you like I've been

985
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 4: in certain situations in my life, not proud of that

986
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 4: he's gotten me out of, you know what I mean,

987
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 4: as long as I told him the truth. You know

988
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, he stood on it because your heart,

989
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 4: because he knows my heart and he has the same

990
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 4: type of heart. You know, if you know him, he's

991
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 4: a family man, but he considers everything that comes across

992
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 4: his path as family.

993
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 3: So I mean there's nothing that he wouldn't do for me.

994
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 4: And anytime I call him or text him, he returns

995
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 4: it like instantly. To have a friend like that that

996
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 4: has the type of money prestige that he has, like

997
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 4: he don't have to do that. He's like when they

998
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 4: say a real one. He's a real one. Now you

999
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 4: cannot like his ways and what he's done. Sometimes he

1000
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 4: may say something crazy and that we don't agree with,

1001
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 4: and we don't always agree like all the time. That's

1002
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 4: your body. But to me, that's real love. And he's

1003
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 4: shown me that, you know, ever since day one, since

1004
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 4: he acquired me.

1005
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: Tell me about like you talk about how you got traded,

1006
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: how you you know U was geek to get traded,

1007
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: to the to the mass, tell me about after you

1008
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: get traded, how unique the situation was. Because I'm on

1009
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: Phoenix where Steve Nash just left and it wasn't the

1010
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: fans didn't didn't feel the same way the organization felt

1011
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: with Steve leaving, right, and so you got to take

1012
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: this into consideration. I want to hear from your perspective,

1013
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna give my perspective the first game when

1014
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: we come back to play in Dallas. Now, you remember

1015
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: I told you all the time, Stevie the president, I

1016
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: ain't never been, I ain't never had no teammate who

1017
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: is love, who was as loved. It is celebrated as

1018
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: much and by like literally everybody. It was not a

1019
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: lot of people. You couldn't find people that didn't like

1020
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: Steve nas Bro. When we landed in Dallas, I never

1021
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: seen nothing like this. We are the visiting team. This

1022
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: is the regular season game. This ain't the playoffs or nothing.

1023
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: This was the first we coming back, but he coming

1024
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: back to play. There they at the airport, like when

1025
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: he let like what I was sitting there, like what

1026
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: is happening? Like they at the airport, the fans got signs,

1027
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: oh we love you all this stuff so like, and

1028
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: that went on all the way to when we played

1029
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: in the playoffs.

1030
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 3: Bro so like epic series, like I want.

1031
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: To and this is the thing, like even even from

1032
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: my perspective, like you know what I'm saying, like I

1033
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: gotta salute you and give you my flyer, because he

1034
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: moved into a situation that he didn't create. Wasn't his fault,

1035
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: and it would have to have been some friction towards

1036
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: him because of him, just because how much they they

1037
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: revered and they love stick. But to see you navigate

1038
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: through it, never said no something shit, but lohit. And

1039
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: he navigated it the right way and and went on

1040
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: to you know, become a champion and earn his own

1041
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: strike and be become beloved on your own way, So

1042
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: like that was sick for me to witness for my present,

1043
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: But I want to hear your perspective. How was that

1044
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: for you when you first got there and seen like damn,

1045
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: like what the fuck?

1046
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it was a hell of hell of a transition.

1047
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 4: But I honestly couldn't have done it, you know without

1048
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 4: the guidance and the leadership of Avery Johnson, like, you know,

1049
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 4: to have somebody like himself be there as a mentor

1050
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 4: for me to guide me through the process and to

1051
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 4: tell me like, look, we didn't bring you here to

1052
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 4: be Steve Nash. We brought you here to be j T.

1053
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 4: Like that's what we need. And it took me a minute. Man,

1054
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 4: it took me because they actually drafted Devin Harrison because

1055
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 4: they didn't know. They didn't believe in me either, really, like,

1056
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 4: just to be honest with you, they were like, well

1057
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 4: he might work out, but we don't know, so you know,

1058
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 4: every man, it was man, it was film sessions, it

1059
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 4: was Bible study.

1060
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 3: It was a lot of talking.

1061
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 4: To Like I needed that at my particular time because

1062
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 4: I had to learn how to play the position you're

1063
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 4: talking about.

1064
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 3: One of the greatest point guards every.

1065
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: Mad pressure because and they said and they said, he

1066
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: was through. Now you look we over here got the

1067
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: best record in the league and he's about to be

1068
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: VP two years, two times. So you're dealing with all

1069
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: of that. This is some mad kicking, That's what I'm saying.

1070
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: It's like, yo, I was witness like dealing with the media.

1071
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 4: It was a lot of that going on. But mentally, man,

1072
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 4: I had to straight strong my faith. It's always been

1073
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 4: in God and understand like, look, opportunity, don't go away

1074
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 4: and go to somebody else. How can I make the

1075
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 4: best out of this situation and maximize and be me like,

1076
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 4: how can I do that? So that's why I remember

1077
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 4: I went from JT. So now I'm throwing the jet persona.

1078
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,959
Speaker 4: So now I start flying around and then people start

1079
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 4: calling me and then that's it just took off and

1080
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 4: then we started winning.

1081
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 3: But first we had to lose first.

1082
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 4: I always say that, always say that you have to

1083
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 4: go through some type of adversity, Yeah, to to realize

1084
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 4: your greatest successes. In that playoff series, man, that that ship,

1085
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 4: that ship boy, because I had to guardian he's wearing

1086
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 4: me out. But it had nothing to do with me

1087
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 4: and him and able to man him.

1088
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: It's him.

1089
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 4: He proven the Cuban to the city, to whoever want

1090
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 4: to listen. He wanted to prove to everybody like man,

1091
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 4: y'all should have never let me. That was he ever

1092
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 4: talked about this one.

1093
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: But I tell you that was he didn't need to,

1094
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: like you know how like you're watching games on TV, like, well,

1095
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: you know, guys, teams, teammates want to get it like

1096
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: that first game in Dallas, and nothing needed to be

1097
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: said because the type of dude he was. You remember

1098
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: how I told you how I signed like the man

1099
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: shaved this contract, gave me money at when the salary

1100
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: cap came in, Like I don't even know Steve Nash

1101
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: right now, It's just like the salary cap came in low,

1102
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: and it was supposed to be he was supposed to

1103
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: get X. I was supposed to get X. And then

1104
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: they going back and forth trying to figure out He like,

1105
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: what the fuck are you working for? This was taking

1106
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: so long? He like, take it off, man, put it on.

1107
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 2: Man. Everybody looked at him like, I.

1108
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: Don't even remember. It was definitely more than a mean dog.

1109
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: But like that, from that standpoint, right there, you rich

1110
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 1: raider run through a wall. You know what I'm saying.

1111
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: So like it happened, and it wasn't like he did

1112
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: thing like that. It was just like the person he was.

1113
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: Everybody was like that. So when we got to that game,

1114
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: it was like we're all about to run through the

1115
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: brick wall. You're gonna win this game. And so like, bro,

1116
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: when we got to that playoff series, Bro, like when

1117
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: I say I had never I had never seen this

1118
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: Steve Nash, I ain't never seen he be going for

1119
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: thirties and forties and like like yelling at motherfuckers being

1120
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: like he was with the ship. He wanted this. I

1121
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: still see. I'm telling you, like this was this was

1122
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: this was a and I'm telling you bro, like like

1123
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: I told you, like we lost to the Spurs after that,

1124
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: so like that was the biggest triumph he had. And Bro,

1125
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: when I tell you, when we touched down in Phoenix

1126
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: after that, it was like, I ain't never win the championship,

1127
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: but it was probably a close thing. I felt to it.

1128
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 1: Like boy, you're talking about when you hit the tarmac,

1129
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: you could see the people on the fence way over

1130
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: there with times going crazy. News cameras with lights flash

1131
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: and going crowd was like, Brian't never experienced it like that.

1132
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 4: You gotta think that was my first playoffs. Remember I

1133
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 4: told you I used to fly around just so how

1134
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 4: you get that feeling? Like I was with Troy when

1135
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 4: they beat the Lakers. I'm staying with Shee and d M.

1136
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 4: Then I stayed another day so I could be in

1137
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 4: the parade, you.

1138
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: Know, I mean you know I was like that too.

1139
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 2: The playoff game. I had to stop because I was

1140
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 2: going I was, I was, I was going in crazy,

1141
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 2: like I couldn't be involved with the environment of a

1142
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 2: playoff series.

1143
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 4: Different different, different intensity, different level. Like we went through

1144
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 4: t making them in the first one, but then I

1145
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 4: couldn't even excel and enjoy the success, like because Nash

1146
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 4: was coming and I was like, oh my god and

1147
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 4: trying to figure out that guard him. He busted me.

1148
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 4: Then okay, do I go back at him? Like it

1149
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 4: was all that going and dirt getting frustrated.

1150
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: Then he hit the pull up on me in the

1151
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: three point the three point her it was like it

1152
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: was it was it was like a movie, bro. It

1153
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: was crazy, and I forgot about that was frustrating.

1154
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 3: Went off on me because wife was on me.

1155
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 4: Why you let him talk to you like that?

1156
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: She didn't think about we.

1157
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 4: Just lost it? All that shit you be talking to.

1158
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 2: Me. But it was a long summer that summer the

1159
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 2: year y'all went to the championship and y'all lost, Like, like,

1160
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 2: explain that what was there year? Like, because you're in

1161
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 2: the dirty West. You got San Antonio, you got the Lakers,

1162
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 2: you got Sacramento, you got Minnesota, Like it's hard to

1163
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: get out out the West like that in that environment,

1164
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,720
Speaker 2: Like Dallas haven't been to a championship, they haven't been closed,

1165
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 2: they haven't been there to represent for y'all to get

1166
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 2: through there and get to Miami and play a Shaq

1167
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 2: Alonzo morning all that. Just explaining that whole season and

1168
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 2: the process, how y'all believe to even get there? Because

1169
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 2: what got y'all there? Feel like, what made y'all win

1170
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 2: five years later?

1171
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 4: No no doubt? And you know, I gotta be honest.

1172
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 4: Avery Johnson laid the foundation. He created the championship culture.

1173
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 4: He came from the San Antonio Spurs where he won

1174
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 4: a championship, where Popovich groomed him to become a coach

1175
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 4: and everything he.

1176
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 3: Learned from Pop. He poured into us.

1177
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 4: Their system was now our system, and we knew to

1178
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 4: get that championship. I already said to get the roll

1179
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 4: to the championship always goes through the championship champion. We

1180
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 4: had to go through San Antonio and they had Big

1181
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 4: Brother Dallas for years. I even watched the series when

1182
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 4: they ran through them, and it was one of them

1183
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 4: things if we could get past them, then wasn't nobody

1184
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 4: gonna stand away? And we had Plage all the year before,

1185
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 4: so it was like, well, we know they down there,

1186
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 4: but we got to.

1187
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 3: Get through San Antonio.

1188
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 4: So we went to seven with them like that series

1189
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 4: to me was the championship. Then we played Phoenix knocked

1190
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 4: them off. So then we get to Miami. Were already

1191
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 4: thinking like we didn't disposed of San Antonio. Yeah, it's

1192
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 4: written like it's our time, it's us And then you

1193
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 4: go up too old and you really thinking like, oh man,

1194
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 4: but we underestimated the heart of a champion, and the

1195
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 4: champion in that instance was Shack Hall of Famer, Alonzo Morning,

1196
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 4: Hall of Famer, Carrie Peyton, Hall of Famer, Dwayne Wade

1197
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 4: Hall of and they coach pat Riley Hall like we

1198
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 4: ain't thinking about none of that. Like GP never won,

1199
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 4: Zoe never won. This was their opportunity. All yeah, they

1200
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 4: gonna give it all. So we thinking we didn't get

1201
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 4: we didn't took everything they had they done.

1202
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: We're up two Oho, man.

1203
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 4: Them next four games was the hardest four games I

1204
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 4: ever played my life. Left it all out there. But

1205
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 4: it wasn't enough. He ever done something in your life

1206
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 4: for you. You're like, damn, I everything damn still wasn't

1207
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 4: nothing that was that instant?

1208
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: How was how was this?

1209
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 2: You know? Like like I said, you get there, you

1210
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 2: make the playoffs, you lose Nash. Now the next season,

1211
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: y'all come something to prove. He come out with y'all

1212
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 2: the number one Sea. Yeah, the number one seed now,

1213
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 2: but then y'all play a young hongry Golden State.

1214
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: Like, my goodness, what was dogs to? What was the.

1215
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 2: Missaup Because on the outside looking in, it felt like

1216
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 2: Avery believed that what he was doing and never adjusted

1217
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:18,760
Speaker 2: to what they was doing.

1218
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 3: Well, I mean we did it to ourselves.

1219
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 4: I mean obviously when it sixty seven games, we're thinking like, nah,

1220
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 4: can't nobody touch us. So at the end of the season,

1221
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 4: we rested our starters when actually we could have put

1222
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 4: Golden State out. We hadn't beat Golden State all season.

1223
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 4: They beat us three straight games. It was just a

1224
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 4: matchup problem for us. They played small ball. We didn't

1225
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 4: have that ability. We had three bigs and we had dirt.

1226
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 4: Couldn't match up. So end of the season, come if

1227
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 4: we knocked them out, if we if we play our

1228
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 4: starters and beat Golden State in the last game of the season,

1229
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 4: they don't make it. The Clippers make it, and they don't.

1230
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 4: So instead of Clippers out, gold State makes it.

1231
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 3: It's almost like we.

1232
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,439
Speaker 4: Want it because you remember Don Nelson gave Avery the job.

1233
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 4: Don Nelson was the coach for Golden State at the time.

1234
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 4: So I don't know if it was like, man, we're

1235
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 4: trying to prove something to Nelly or whatever, but that's

1236
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 4: that's what happened, and we got what we asked for

1237
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 4: because them boys was hungry stack Jack.

1238
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: That's all.

1239
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 2: This wasn't and.

1240
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 3: Wasn't nothing we could do.

1241
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 4: Like we we couldn't stop and run to a bus

1242
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 4: all and like I said, but that year, out of

1243
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 4: all the years, was the year like you thinking like, okay,

1244
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 4: we just lost in circ oh No, we had just

1245
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 4: lost in the finals finals, and we're like, we're gonna

1246
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:31,959
Speaker 4: get back.

1247
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 3: Man. It took four or five years before we got back.

1248
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: Man.

1249
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 3: It was that long.

1250
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, when y'all got back, which I feel like one

1251
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 2: of the like, the most impressive thing one of the

1252
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: most impressed things to me about you and that season

1253
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 2: is you play all eighty two games and you went

1254
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 2: all the way to the finals and played like in

1255
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:51,959
Speaker 2: every single game.

1256
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: Like that wasn't the most impressive thing he did that season.

1257
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 2: No, I'm not, I said, one of the most impressive thingore.

1258
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 2: Let me let me get to like one of the

1259
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 2: things like I said, I was impressed, Like, guys don't

1260
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 2: play eighty two. Definitely doing that, Like you know what

1261
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,439
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like they don't play eighty two. You play

1262
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 2: all eighty two games, and you play every game of

1263
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 2: every game in the playoffs. That's one hundred and twenty

1264
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 2: thirty some games in the year. How was like, tell

1265
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 2: me how you even get the strength to even like

1266
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: play that much? How much we get beat up and

1267
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 2: little nickknack injuries and stuff for far for you to

1268
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 2: even survive it? And when what day did you get

1269
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: the tattoo.

1270
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna credit the five oh six heat for that,

1271
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 3: for build me up, because every off season was geared

1272
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 3: to get that running the man running the Miami.

1273
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 4: So every lap on the track, every same see they'll

1274
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 4: let you throw up and still be like, yeah, finish it,

1275
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 4: got another one. But I'm telling you, But that's that's

1276
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 4: how passionate. I was about winning, like getting to taste

1277
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 4: of the finals and being around it, like you gotta mate

1278
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 4: in my first finals and I'm averaging like twenty five.

1279
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 4: I put thirty on the first game. Yeah, I'm like

1280
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 4: MVP coming out. Should you dream about when you won

1281
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 4: on none?

1282
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 3: On the playground?

1283
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: Em lading Thomas? That's real, that's the real. That's a

1284
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: real though. Man, what hold? I never get one thing.

1285
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: I kicked out the start things and I had like

1286
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: thirty one.

1287
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 3: I'm like thirty one boy, you All Star.

1288
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 2: Game one game thirty the first game? Right, I was

1289
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 2: top five and SCO I ain't never been.

1290
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 3: But this was the thoughts that go through your head.

1291
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 4: But nah, but just getting back, so you know you

1292
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 4: you before the season, you know you got you look

1293
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 4: over it. You got Tyson Channer. We ain't never had

1294
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 4: an athletic big man defense Player of the Year. And

1295
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 4: you know Tyson coming. He talked, Okay, Tyson, we're playing

1296
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 4: now or later when we're gonna play, Like he talked

1297
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 4: to you like that, So I'm intense. Then you got

1298
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 4: Jake Kidds there now the common presence, like I was

1299
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 4: always on ten, it didn't matter what we were doing.

1300
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 4: I'm just like that, I'm bringing that type of energy.

1301
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 4: But he was like, we don't need to do that now,

1302
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 4: Like and then how you talking to you? So his presence.

1303
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 4: Then you got Karan instant offense. He's a bucket. He

1304
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 4: talking to everybody. I'm like, man, we we got something

1305
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 4: he ain't had to. Then you got Tricks, who you.

1306
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: Know, listen, listen differently, he.

1307
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 4: A hall of famering minds. I'm gonna just tell you,

1308
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 4: and you know in his eyes he's all the FAMO.

1309
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: This is the same man that told me.

1310
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 4: That they giving out contract my contract. No, I said,

1311
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 4: how much did you get paid?

1312
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 3: Max? Max? Now, I said Tricks?

1313
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: How much was it?

1314
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 3: Max?

1315
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 4: Now, I'm telling you that's what I said, Max, Like,

1316
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 4: know how much money did they give Max? Telling that

1317
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 4: man Max like Tricks, Okay.

1318
00:59:58,800 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 2: You got.

1319
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 3: Player that's my brother. But we'll run through a wall,

1320
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 3: will ever. Right.

1321
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 4: So, now we got the pieces, then we had a

1322
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 4: good solid bitch young you know J J.

1323
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 3: John Stevens.

1324
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 4: Yeah. So we got all these pieces and it's like, man,

1325
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 4: are you kidding me? We finally got we got it.

1326
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 4: So it's like, okay, we had we have team bonding.

1327
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 4: We in Orlando, we had D Steve House. D Steve

1328
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 4: got a TM he got tattoo machine, he got all

1329
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 4: kind of fails and whistles over there. Oh he got it.

1330
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 4: So the tattoo or show up boom, Okay, D Steve Like, man,

1331
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 4: y'all get whatever. Man, We've been talking about championship all

1332
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 4: training camp, all week.

1333
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 3: Man, I'm gonna just get the trophy. Man, get the trophy.

1334
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 4: Not not really thinking but just knowing, like, now we're

1335
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 4: gonna win this bitch, I'm telling you man.

1336
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 2: It was the players, your teammates and everybody. Oh they laughing,

1337
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 2: they laughing.

1338
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, they laughing.

1339
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 4: I showed it right at in Orlando, right for everybody

1340
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 4: bringing in one, two, three, say hold up, coach checked

1341
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 4: this out, pulled my ship back, take the tape off,

1342
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 4: and they see the trophy. Boom Jack crazy man, what

1343
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 4: is he thinking about? Okay, cool, you put it in right,

1344
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 4: so we getting through the season. Boom, have a little turbulence,

1345
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 4: get through that, boom, now we get the playoffs. Now

1346
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 4: casts is thinking. So I put the picture. I had

1347
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 4: him screenshot the picture.

1348
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: Boom.

1349
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 4: I put in everybody locker, the tattoos, everybody locker. So

1350
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 4: now everybody's looking at it like, damn, he's serious. He

1351
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 4: really want this, Like nah, yeah, for real? Because Jake,

1352
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 4: he ain't got many years left. He didnet been to

1353
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 4: the finals twice, ain't one right? Tricks you ain't been.

1354
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 4: We knocked you off right, d Steve and them, they

1355
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 4: coming from the Wizards saying.

1356
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 2: It ain't nothing.

1357
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 4: Tyson even't been defensive Player of the Year, but he

1358
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 4: ain't want nothing.

1359
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 3: Dirk needed he needed because.

1360
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 4: Now the talks is KG got one, Tim got multiple.

1361
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 3: Are you really who you say you are?

1362
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: Right?

1363
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 4: So he trying to live through that. And then you

1364
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 4: got Carlilele. He was in the Eastern finals two three

1365
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 4: years and then they fired them. I've never seen that before.

1366
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 4: So we all had something to prove. We all had

1367
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 4: a chip on our shoulder, and it was like, man,

1368
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 4: the time is now and that was actually our model

1369
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 4: for the season. The time is now and so man,

1370
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 4: then getting there, like you said, getting to Miami like

1371
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 4: it didn't matter, like they talking about am Lebron Man.

1372
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 4: Now y'all believe in all that hype. I'm shit, this

1373
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 4: is the same Miami team. They got the same ball boys,

1374
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 4: They got them big ass rings. That's ours the equipment manager.

1375
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 4: They in there flossing their rings. I'm like, okay, right,

1376
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:33,919
Speaker 4: we're not leaving here until we get that ring.

1377
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: Man.

1378
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, did y'all beating the Lakers

1379
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 2: as with all that hype everybody expecting the Lakers to

1380
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 2: beat y'all beating the Lakers, as, did they prepare you

1381
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 2: for the hype around Miami?

1382
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 4: Well, you know the model, and I said, you can

1383
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 4: finish it. But the road to the championship go through

1384
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 4: what go through right, go through the champions They was

1385
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 4: back to back champions but all the whispers was it

1386
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 4: might be feels last year. Kobe ain't really feeling power

1387
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 4: like they like, they're looking a little tired out here.

1388
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 4: So after we started out in l A, we beat them,

1389
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 4: We knocked them off the first game like, oh stole one, Okay,

1390
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 4: and then now Jay kids giving us the confidence. He's like,

1391
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 4: that's all we came to get is one but ship,

1392
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 4: why not get to boom knock him again? Oh damn,

1393
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,479
Speaker 4: we're up to Oh and we're going home.

1394
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 3: Oh, come on with it. Third game? Come we get

1395
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 3: them again.

1396
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 4: So then the fourth game comes, it's Mother's day. My

1397
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 4: mother's in town, and I take her to the little

1398
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 4: pancakehouse around the corner and she ordered her favorite pancakes.

1399
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: I ordered mind.

1400
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 4: So it's just set the whole more. I'm feeling this

1401
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 4: is the greatest I ever failed as a professional. Like

1402
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 4: something is in the air, Philip three h two were

1403
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 4: playing with house money. So it's really like, man, squeeze,

1404
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 4: just like what what what you got to lose?

1405
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: Come out before the game? Did y with all black suits?

1406
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 3: All black?

1407
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: And he closed out games? I find this out. I

1408
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: played my last good season with with the with the

1409
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: anytime kid get to an elimination game, all black, everything

1410
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: black everything, all black everything.

1411
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 2: How was Dirk acting after he's seen the video lebron

1412
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 2: them making fun of him about the sick.

1413
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 3: He was really sick though he wasn't.

1414
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 2: I know he's really sick, but he wasn't he was

1415
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 2: saying like he was pissed too.

1416
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: Man, he was.

1417
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 4: Pissed because he was sick. Like if you knew dirty,

1418
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 4: he couldn't be sick. Like he never got sick like

1419
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 4: he had to. It's just so disgusting. But he got

1420
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 4: the thing where he spray his noses. Yeah, it's like

1421
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 4: he never got sick. And he's like in this moment

1422
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 4: like it can't it just can't be.

1423
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 2: He didn't. He didn't even entertain.

1424
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 4: It was like people like Karan and D Steve like, ah,

1425
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 4: yeah they talking to that man, they ain't like that.

1426
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 3: Look at him. They clown and USA.

1427
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, we ain't worried about that, man, stay focused,

1428
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 4: stay locked in.

1429
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: What was you saying that, Lebron can you rap songs?

1430
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: Wasn't me?

1431
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 3: It wasn't me.

1432
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: I wasn't saying that.

1433
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 4: I let D Steve and do all that like they

1434
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 4: did talk. See my talk was so Dirt called me

1435
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 4: out at the game two we go home. It's game three,

1436
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 4: actually we were. It was one one, game three we lose.

1437
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 4: So after game three he called me out because I

1438
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 4: was only averaging like fifteen, but Lebron's guarded me. We

1439
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 4: hadn't really designed nothing for me to run around and

1440
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 4: get off. I mean, I'm not ice oning Lebron. I'm

1441
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 4: doing that. That's not even our game. Like, so I

1442
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 4: ain't really doing nothing to help me get off. But okay,

1443
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 4: it's all good, Okay, I got something for that, all right? Cool,

1444
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 4: I tell the media, Yeah, he got me three games.

1445
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 4: He can't he can't, he can't. He can't guard me

1446
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 4: for seven though it's a seven game series. So then

1447
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 4: they took it out of context, like I'm me Andron

1448
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 4: ain't got nothing to do with him, Like my man

1449
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 4: called me out. I'm really talking to him, but I

1450
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 4: ain't talking to him. So now I'm in my own thing,

1451
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,439
Speaker 4: Like every time I touch it, I'm squeezing. He don't

1452
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 4: know that, but that's what I'm doing. And when I

1453
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 4: get in that mentality, it's all it's nothing.

1454
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 2: You can do dirt, the playoff, run and the ass bust.

1455
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 2: And he did, Oh have you seen have you ever

1456
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 2: seen that great of basketball? Consistently never seen it, never

1457
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 2: seen it? And a two months span like how he

1458
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 2: how he worked, like because like he played some of

1459
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 2: the best teams. You know what I'm saying. He played

1460
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 2: the best player. They had everybody guarding him, and he

1461
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 2: busts everybody as so every single play just playing dirt

1462
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 2: played and playoffs.

1463
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 4: Dirt getting a mold like that, you gotta sit back

1464
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 4: and just enjoy it because you're witnessing greatness. And the

1465
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 4: thing that I knew was that they didn't know he

1466
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 4: does that in his workout. So all he's doing is

1467
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:38,439
Speaker 4: I said, if you put the work in the game

1468
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 4: becomes a workout.

1469
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 3: That's all he was doing was working out. It didn't

1470
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 3: matter who was guarding.

1471
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 4: You couldn't stop it because he was getting to his

1472
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 4: spot over here, over here, and that's what he did.

1473
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 4: It was every day though he did. I watched this

1474
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 4: routeam I'm on the other end. He's on this end

1475
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 4: and we're working and I'm watching him, and this is

1476
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 4: the ship he's doing to these people, whether were on

1477
01:06:58,040 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 4: the road or whether we at home.

1478
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 2: How much did J Kid compliment your game and make

1479
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 2: it easy for you? Like, uh, like just doing that

1480
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 2: season that process because like take kids my all time

1481
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 2: favorite point. Girl. That's when the one person I always

1482
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 2: wanted to play with. Mm hmm, Like but I seem

1483
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 2: like when you playing with him, it was no more

1484
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 2: talk about or can't he run a point? Can he

1485
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 2: play or something like that. It's like J Kid took

1486
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 2: that completely out the way and it made it more

1487
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 2: comfortable to know what you need to do and how

1488
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 2: you need to be successful. So did he kind of

1489
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 2: bring that? Oh?

1490
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 3: J Kid allows you to start in your role.

1491
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 4: Each and every one of our guys maximized their individual

1492
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 4: talent because we had a point guard that understood what

1493
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 4: we needed every time out on the floor and he

1494
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 4: would tell you, man, just run your rountd. You might

1495
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 4: not get this with three or four times, but I'm

1496
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 4: telling you just keep running.

1497
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: Just gonna come to you.

1498
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 4: Just trust that cutting hard, running hard, screening hard, playing

1499
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 4: good defense.

1500
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 3: Like for me, that's what his thing with me was.

1501
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 4: He was gonna reward reward me if I was engaged

1502
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 4: on defense and I gave effort. And so for me

1503
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 4: it was like, well, ship, he's picking up. I ain't

1504
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 4: got worry about nothing. I got worry about because when

1505
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 4: I was opening, the ball was coming. So do the

1506
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 4: other ship due worry about that ship for us, And

1507
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make sure you get the rock. And when

1508
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 4: you have that reassurance, it just makes the game so

1509
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 4: much easier for you.

1510
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 2: Did you add anything to the tattoo after y'all wanted nothing?

1511
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 2: Got a stupid as But after that the tattoo was

1512
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 2: just it had the Pacific date dates on.

1513
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 3: I just had the LARRYO.

1514
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 2: So you added the year or nothing? Nothing that you

1515
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 2: got to add the year baby that.

1516
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 4: I just want to keep it again, stupid ass tattoo.

1517
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,799
Speaker 4: So I played one more year in Dallas. The lockout happens.

1518
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 4: They didn't want to pay me, so I they did

1519
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 4: want to pay me, but it was way.

1520
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 3: Below market balue. So I ended up going to Boston.

1521
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 4: So I'm thinking, I'm looking at Boston like Cage right

1522
01:08:56,360 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 4: and right, how many championships and Celtics and one in

1523
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 4: the history, Like you ain't finna make nothing happen over there.

1524
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 3: It just happens, like you can't. And I tried.

1525
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: It didn't work.

1526
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 4: It didn't work, but I really believed it too. That's

1527
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 4: that's the crazy thing about it. That's how crazy I am.

1528
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 2: I always asked about Boston, man, when I went to Boston, Man,

1529
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 2: just the aura of the history, when you walk in

1530
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 2: that locker room, when you walk in the gym, how

1531
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 2: was that for you? You know, you to play in

1532
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 2: the league. You played for a couple of teams and

1533
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 2: just to go to you know, the Lakers.

1534
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:37,799
Speaker 1: In that Boston organization.

1535
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 2: Two different organizations that you feel the the history of.

1536
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 4: Its like a mystique or aur because like you said,

1537
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 4: you watch Lakers Celtics growing up. You've seen all that

1538
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 4: magic bird like you've seen it.

1539
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 3: Then you're in the locker room. Then they don't help.

1540
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 4: You because the ship is still old as hell, like

1541
01:09:55,800 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 4: they still got smoke and wh looking black and mouths

1542
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 4: and the pactice facility. What they doing here? Didn't you

1543
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 4: go to the lockers? But then on the lockers got

1544
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 4: the metal plates where they.

1545
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,480
Speaker 2: Got all the X that had that lot.

1546
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 4: Oh man, that turned me. I was turned so just

1547
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 4: just being around that. They even have the old hot

1548
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 4: I said, the hot tub ain't even in the ground.

1549
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 4: They're standing on top of the like that ain't no

1550
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 4: hot to like y'all just put some hot water in

1551
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 4: the plastic container.

1552
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: But no, it was.

1553
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 4: It was tough, man, but it was fun and only

1554
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 4: played one season. But every time I go back, they

1555
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 4: treat me as if I want a championship, if like

1556
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 4: I was there for four five years.

1557
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 3: And it was a great experience, great experience planning for

1558
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 3: that organization.

1559
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: Talk about going to Brooklyn time out just before, like,

1560
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: let me just ask this, like because like I know

1561
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 1: what I thought, was you amongst the Google Like, oh, yeah,

1562
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 1: were about to get one at least when we're going

1563
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: to join Joe KG.

1564
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 4: Like what it was all that? And then Jake Kid

1565
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 4: was the coach. So I'm already thinking like I'm cool.

1566
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:04,799
Speaker 4: But see I came in hobbling.

1567
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 2: Man.

1568
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 3: I was hurt. First time I ever had surgery in

1569
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 3: my life. So I wasn't healthy. So I was.

1570
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 4: Spending a lot of my time rehabit. You know, when

1571
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 4: I wasn't flying on the helicopter with KG, I was like, man, man, listen,

1572
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,719
Speaker 4: man helicopter, Man, listen, she's that West Side Highway.

1573
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Maybe you never know. I'm look.

1574
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 1: I spent four years in New York. I wasn't in

1575
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 1: the same bracket as KG. But you know, I had problem.

1576
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 1: I had good friends, I made it. I made have

1577
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 1: had a copter trip or two in my time over there,

1578
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 1: So I know where you talking the.

1579
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 4: Problem right there? That wasn't it for me. See I'm

1580
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 4: hanging with KG every day.

1581
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 1: Both ends with the candle, oh man burning both ends. Man.

1582
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 4: The bus is leaving to go to Philly. We not

1583
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 4: on the bus. He like, meet me over on the

1584
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 4: west side.

1585
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 2: Boom.

1586
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 3: We get to the helipath.

1587
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 4: We on the top. Oh my god, we trying past

1588
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 4: the steps to the Liberty. I thene flew past my

1589
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 4: little condo. I said, oh my, right there right everybody

1590
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 4: laying on top of the arena like we just it

1591
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 4: just was too much. I couldn't handle it, you know

1592
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 4: what I mean. I was the first time in my

1593
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 4: professional career where I wasn't quite professional all the time,

1594
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:19,600
Speaker 4: and I wasn't playing.

1595
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: Like come on now nothing.

1596
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 4: So by All Star break, Jay was like, nah, you

1597
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 4: ain't got no more and they traded me, uh the Sacramento,

1598
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 4: but I never showed up. They're still mad at me

1599
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 4: for that. But at that particular time, Michael, I still

1600
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 4: thought I had some left, which I ended up going

1601
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 4: to Houston the next season, and I actually we went

1602
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 4: to the Western Conference final with d White and James

1603
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 4: Harden and Trevor Resa in that group, and I actually

1604
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:45,639
Speaker 4: did have a little bit left until the next year,

1605
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 4: Steph Curry got a hold of me. I had nothing left.

1606
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 4: You know that moment when you realize it's over for you.

1607
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, he got me time out because before we

1608
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:57,799
Speaker 1: move on, I do want to say when I realized

1609
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 1: it was over me. But I want to ask you

1610
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 1: more about New York. You really get experienced.

1611
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 4: You know, he's a couple of East Coast.

1612
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 1: We know this difference when you live and play there, right,

1613
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 1: you know, you live and play there. Like you said,

1614
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: you said, this is the first time your career with

1615
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: it got a little bit away from you. It ain't

1616
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: no secrets because I mean I think you know obviously

1617
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: you weren't playing them, but it was New York City, right. See.

1618
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 4: The thing for me was, I'm used to going out

1619
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 4: to dinner, you know, and we're just dinner. Then after dinner, okay,

1620
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 4: maybe dinner turn into the move the tables and the

1621
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 4: DJ start playing.

1622
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: All right here, I said, I.

1623
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 4: Thought we were just eating dinner.

1624
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 3: We're the dessert with a you know what I mean.

1625
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 4: No, it's going there, oh man, and the stars just

1626
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 4: walking in. So it's just that type of environment. Now

1627
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 4: you look up, it's five six in the morning, but

1628
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 4: shoot arounds at nine and ten and it's okay, this

1629
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 4: is what we're doing here, and then tomorrow same thing.

1630
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 4: But it's Tuesday every day and it's like tuesdays every day.

1631
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: Every day something going on somewhere. The city too crazy.

1632
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 1: You know.

1633
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 2: We get to this league and you know we see

1634
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 2: guys and man nicknames be dope. Yes, we always want

1635
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 2: to want to nickname somebody to call us something and

1636
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 2: it'd be a dope one. The jet right and the

1637
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 2: celebrate you know, we celebrating.

1638
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 1: Guys one time time. How was it?

1639
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 2: You know, just for people to call you jet? And

1640
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 2: you know, like your NBA periods, Man, you see a

1641
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 2: guy like a medic Johnson, what's up? Jet? And you

1642
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 2: know these guys he was like, man, he called me Jet.

1643
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 4: You know it's it's something that you could never really

1644
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 4: put in the words, but I will tell you like

1645
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:45,719
Speaker 4: I came in JT and I left out the jet

1646
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 4: like and it's all because my time in Dallas. And

1647
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 4: it's funny. The story goes, so Nellie's coaching us. I

1648
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 4: didn't know his time was winding down. Nobody did, but

1649
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:58,600
Speaker 4: it's times winding down. So one game he brings me

1650
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 4: off the bench. I'm a little pissed off. So every

1651
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 4: time I scored, we're playing Utah, every time I scored,

1652
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 4: I just took off, fly by him.

1653
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 3: On the bench, fly in front, and fast running back on.

1654
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 4: De So we come the next day, we come into practice,

1655
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,640
Speaker 4: and now he starts looking and he walks by me.

1656
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 3: We're stretching. He walks by me.

1657
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 4: In all the years of basketball, I never seen a

1658
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 4: mockery of the game like this. The hell you flopping

1659
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 4: around like a damn bird for what the hell is

1660
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:26,799
Speaker 4: that ship?

1661
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:28,719
Speaker 3: And I think it was stacking.

1662
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 4: Somebody was like, Nah, coach, that that's the jet man man,

1663
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 4: the jet plane man.

1664
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 3: You see that he was out there.

1665
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 4: I really had a good game too, But he didn't

1666
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 4: acknowledge that part. But a couple of weeks later he

1667
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 4: ended up leaving. But he was from the old school.

1668
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 4: He like, he didn't like celebrating, he didn't like people

1669
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 4: weren't head bands. And we got so I was gonna

1670
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 4: ask you, like any time your career where a coach was.

1671
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 1: Like Jerry Sloan, Jerry leg told d Steve, we don't

1672
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: want the motherfuckers doing none of that ship. We don't

1673
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 1: want to see none of this ship and all that

1674
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 1: fuck that.

1675
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 2: When I got to Boston the year after they won

1676
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 2: championship and we was in pre season, I scored a

1677
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 2: couple of buckets, so you know, I'm feeling myself. I

1678
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 2: scored on a you know, tap tap and went on downcourt,

1679
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 2: did my thing. So the next practice we bringing in

1680
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:13,719
Speaker 2: and he was like, yeah, there's this. This is a team.

1681
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 2: None of the individual stuff, none of that celebrating stuff.

1682
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 1: Wow.

1683
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 2: The first coach who ever told me that was on

1684
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,679
Speaker 2: the team. Like I never heard coaches from other teams

1685
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 2: right say, like, man, he doing this and doing that.

1686
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 2: But that was the first coach that I was actually

1687
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 2: on the same team that.

1688
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 1: Was like told Doc River was right there, like all right,

1689
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 1: you going ahead on something.

1690
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 2: I'm at the end of my.

1691
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 1: Team.

1692
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 2: I ain't trying to have no type, especially my whole career, bro,

1693
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 2: Like you know, I'm a KG fanatic. I wanted to

1694
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 2: play with ticket and all and all them, man, I

1695
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 2: wanted to really make.

1696
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 4: I don't think now, being on the other side and

1697
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 4: being a coach myself, I don't think they understand like

1698
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 4: that's part.

1699
01:16:57,960 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 1: Of you, that's the play.

1700
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 2: Flag that rhythm.

1701
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 3: My guys, ive ma y'all do what you need to

1702
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 3: do to get like you.

1703
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: Played the game. You the one saying.

1704
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 2: That, But like, guys, that's square to me.

1705
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 1: Guy.

1706
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 2: Guys like us kind of started this celebration stuff in

1707
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 2: the league where you see every single guy they got

1708
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:22,679
Speaker 2: something that they're doing and they doing it every time

1709
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:26,600
Speaker 2: now when they ain't never type of stuff going on.

1710
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 2: Celebrated that like we used to get get like trying

1711
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 2: to show up the game like that.

1712
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 4: About the shooting, I was like, see are freezing game

1713
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:40,719
Speaker 4: five six three, the team might take eleven twelve threes,

1714
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 4: one guy taking twelve fifteen threes. Now remember j Will

1715
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 4: White taker, you couldn't tell me he couldn't shoot. We're

1716
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 4: stepping him shooting from he used to come across a court,

1717
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 4: lonch Man. They tore him up for that, anyone. Every

1718
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 4: time they took his they took his that's like his

1719
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 4: super power.

1720
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 3: They stripped him of that.

1721
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 4: And nowadays you know they they don't And I'll a

1722
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 4: plot them for that now for making that change, because

1723
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 4: you know these young but think if you told dam

1724
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 4: lily he couldn't pull up from where he'd be pulling

1725
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,839
Speaker 4: up from, put that time on yell of himself.

1726
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.

1727
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 2: And he's only doing it because the defense is pushing more.

1728
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,440
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, he's playing while he's doing

1729
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 2: I gotta stretch my So Doc.

1730
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 1: Shut you down with I ain't nothing. I don't remember that, Doc,

1731
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 1: like I would have said something like this my whole career.

1732
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 1: Talking about individual like you who you know better than

1733
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 1: this is getting me hype.

1734
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:38,679
Speaker 4: Yeah right, Doctor, what's kz on the team to stop

1735
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 4: all their screaming and spinning it? See what I'm saying, That's.

1736
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 1: What That's why. That's the main reason I have got

1737
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: mad like that was to me.

1738
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 2: To me, that was a sign that I was, Yeah,

1739
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 2: they ain't finna pick me to be on this team. Like,

1740
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 2: come on, man, the nothing that big baby is my guy,

1741
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,679
Speaker 2: A big baby in Scalabrini didn't make a bucket all month,

1742
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 2: I'm saying, and they cut me. But you know it's

1743
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 2: all that I all love Doc, Doc, my guy.

1744
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 1: I don't appreciate that part. Doc.

1745
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 2: Everything else I'm on. Doc moved to started movement. You're

1746
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 2: not the first, you know, to win the win the

1747
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 2: six Man of a Year, but you won the more

1748
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 2: popular six Man of the Year award. Winners like to

1749
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 2: see how the six Man of the Year involved, to

1750
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 2: see some of the guys who won six Man of

1751
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,759
Speaker 2: the Year and then move on to maybe win MVP

1752
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 2: or be an MVP of the finals. Like it's plaining

1753
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 2: us how important a six man is and what they

1754
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 2: bring to the table for a team to be winning,

1755
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:36,799
Speaker 2: and how important that award is to the league.

1756
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 4: I don't think there's any six man that has ever

1757
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,680
Speaker 4: been in that role that couldn't have been in a

1758
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:44,640
Speaker 4: starting role for whatever team he was on. So that

1759
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 4: selfless act in itself, to me, is what brings prestige

1760
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 4: to that position, that award, and to be selfless that

1761
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 4: means you're a team guy and you'll do whatever it

1762
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 4: takes for your team to have success. I did it

1763
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 4: in college, win a national championship, did in the league,

1764
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 4: in the World championship. So for me, it was like

1765
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,759
Speaker 4: you had your own little interest man. I took pride

1766
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 4: in it, like I'll go over there and hype it

1767
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:09,759
Speaker 4: up to I'll ride the bike for ten to fifteen

1768
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 4: because I knew when I came off the bike the

1769
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 4: camera was paying to me. And then I knew, and

1770
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,559
Speaker 4: then Carlisle was cool too. Carli, let me know, okay,

1771
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 4: six minute time out.

1772
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he gave my ba.

1773
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,640
Speaker 4: You all know we wasn't always started to be a

1774
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 4: bitch player to know when you coming like it didn't

1775
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 4: matter what was going on the game up twenty down

1776
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 4: to the six minute mark, boom jet take off. So

1777
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 4: Dallas had the little thing that jet is on the runway.

1778
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 4: Then I take flight to get in that game. So

1779
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 4: that was cool. You had to make it special, you

1780
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 4: know what I.

1781
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 1: Mean, How dope is it for you to see like

1782
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: something that you kind of like you said, you didn't

1783
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: start it, but you was part of that. You was

1784
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 1: part of the lineage of six man guys my new obviously,

1785
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: but you was right behind that. And then to see

1786
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 1: mal coming to the scene, and we all know that

1787
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 1: just like you said, every single player, it's one of

1788
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 1: the ward they could start and we know the mall

1789
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 1: of anybody. He could boogie down anybody like today, he

1790
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 1: could start on the team and boogie somebody down like

1791
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 1: this second.

1792
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 4: So like man with some hoop shorts and some shoes and.

1793
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 1: He gonna boogey. Somebody got to fix you know what

1794
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,799
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Knowing did he coming from up under you

1795
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 1: you know the relationship y'all got se y'all to see

1796
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 1: him moving and there and for you to know him,

1797
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 1: because if we know him like I know him, that's

1798
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 1: not something that was easy for Jamal Crawford. This was

1799
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,679
Speaker 1: nowhere near close to easy thing. So when I cause

1800
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 1: I remember it, they tried it in New York that

1801
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 1: that Tony didn't he was no know it and he left.

1802
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: And then I saw when it finally happened, and for me,

1803
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 1: knowing all the way I knew him to see him

1804
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 1: accept it really by into it then flourished the way

1805
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: he did, Like I was proud of him to see

1806
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 1: because I know that that wasn't in him. That was

1807
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: not what he wanted to do at all. He was

1808
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 1: like hell Noah, And to a man, he was one

1809
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: of the people that like he was right and his

1810
01:21:58,360 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 1: man like nah, I know, I suppose you know, I'm

1811
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 1: say he was one of those dudes that was right.

1812
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 1: And he's still sixteen seventeen years later, nineteen years of the

1813
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 1: league he could have been starting. So when you say that, like,

1814
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 1: how does that make you feel to see him take

1815
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 1: it to another level and win three of them?

1816
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 4: No, that's that's amazing, Like he's a Hall of Famer

1817
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 4: in itself for that it comes from alone, nobody else

1818
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 4: whatever had I.

1819
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 3: Mean him, lou Will, My my just went in. He

1820
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 3: just went in.

1821
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 4: So you got to put those that guy in the

1822
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame like he's done something nobody has ever

1823
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 4: done to me.

1824
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 3: That's what the Hall of Famer is.

1825
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 4: And then uh, you know guys before me, like like

1826
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 4: I said, Seattle basketball, Della Shrimp, Ricky Pierce was six

1827
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 4: man back in the day that.

1828
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 3: I that I looked up to and in my lives,

1829
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,480
Speaker 3: so right shrimp.

1830
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:51,520
Speaker 4: Flat feel no, man, it's just just it's just amazing

1831
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 4: to watch and to see somebody like a Jamarrow Crawford

1832
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:56,799
Speaker 4: because you can't tell me he couldn't still be playing

1833
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 4: in our league. Right man, was at the game. This

1834
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 4: is Dirk's last game in Dallas. I'm sitting courtside.

1835
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 1: You know, I'm watching my little b.

1836
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 3: Ons night.

1837
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,559
Speaker 4: Now that's all you boy ain't talking, He ain't saying nothing.

1838
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 4: He's just giving you buckets.

1839
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 1: Looking crazy when he gets locked in right for everything.

1840
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 3: Everything dropping, I mean, just special special time.

1841
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:24,799
Speaker 1: Tell me this. You you've you've now obviously you through hooping.

1842
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 1: You through doing your thing on the court, Like when

1843
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 1: did you decide I want to coach and how did

1844
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 1: you know that this was what you wanted to do

1845
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 1: at any level?

1846
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 4: Well, for me, throughout my life, my passion is for

1847
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 4: people and my purpose is to inspire others. And the

1848
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 4: way I can do that is using basketball as my platform.

1849
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,719
Speaker 4: And so as a coach, being in that position, looking

1850
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 4: up to all my former coaches that have mentored me

1851
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 4: and that have taught me the game of basketball, in

1852
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:52,680
Speaker 4: the game of life along the way, I wanted to

1853
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 4: do that. I want to give back in that.

1854
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 3: In that aspect.

1855
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:58,759
Speaker 4: And you know, I've done it at the high school

1856
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 4: level for fifteen years. I've done it for AU girls

1857
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 4: basketball girls, then went to the University of Arizona and

1858
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 4: did it for one year, and now doing it in

1859
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:09,639
Speaker 4: the G League for a year as a head coach.

1860
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 4: I've been able to you know, realize live out you

1861
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:15,639
Speaker 4: know my dream and my purpose.

1862
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,679
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, like I tell all the guys,

1863
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:21,679
Speaker 1: you know, our peers, just doing it. Dog, I'm I'm hype.

1864
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm not it. I'm not there yet to say I

1865
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 1: want to code, but like for for for y'all, I

1866
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 1: know the value that we have those of us that

1867
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 1: are able to articulate, you know, take what we've learned

1868
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 1: and be able to give it back to kids in

1869
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 1: the right way and do that and pourtant to them.

1870
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 1: Like for y'all just doing that, bro like, because I

1871
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 1: always say, like, how would I have looked like if

1872
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 1: I had? Like if Jason Terry's my coach, I don't

1873
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 1: be looking at him.

1874
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 2: Why that?

1875
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 1: Because I know what you've done. You know what I'm saying,

1876
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:51,639
Speaker 1: Like it's a difference than having and it's no disrespect

1877
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 1: because my some of my favorite best coaches, they didn't

1878
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 1: I never knew what if they played or whatever they

1879
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 1: did in the game. You know what I'm saying. But like,

1880
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:00,679
Speaker 1: I just know that when I'm looking at somebody who

1881
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 1: looked like me, came from the same places or type

1882
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 1: of places that I came from. And you know what

1883
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you've been where I want to go and

1884
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 1: not you've seen people know you've been. You can tell

1885
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 1: me your experiences from being the like to me, that's priceless,

1886
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 1: bro Like, to me, what y'all doing and giving our community,

1887
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 1: our little kids and even when we get to be

1888
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 1: teenagers and young adults. Like for us to be able

1889
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 1: to look to y'all and y'all the ones just teaching

1890
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,679
Speaker 1: them and learning from and to me, that's just create

1891
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 1: more of y'all. You know what I'm saying. That's letting

1892
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 1: guys that y'all talking to know that they could become

1893
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 1: y'all at one point. You know what I'm saying. No

1894
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 1: different than when we were looking up to George saying

1895
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 1: we could hoop. Now you inspired somebody so I could

1896
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 1: be a coach one day.

1897
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 4: A lot of the ninety percent of it for me,

1898
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:43,639
Speaker 4: like being in that seat now as a head coach,

1899
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 4: is about life skills and getting motivation and getting guys

1900
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:51,440
Speaker 4: to you know, realize, like, look, I want to empower

1901
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,839
Speaker 4: you along your journey, to take ownership in your journey,

1902
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:55,679
Speaker 4: not mine.

1903
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 3: Like I had my run.

1904
01:25:57,720 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 4: I can show you how I did it and tell

1905
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:01,719
Speaker 4: you like I get to the gym early, stay late,

1906
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,519
Speaker 4: and do all that, But you gotta believe in it.

1907
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 4: You gotta live. You gotta understand like what do you

1908
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 4: do great? What do you bring to the table that

1909
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 4: nobody else in here does that I can count on

1910
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 4: every single night, and that your teammates look at you

1911
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 4: and say, man, yeah, we want him.

1912
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 1: Doing that every night.

1913
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 4: And once you do that, man, you're gonna live out

1914
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 4: your wildest dreams. And I empower my guys. Man, don't

1915
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 4: be I'm not the coach that'll tell you, ah, yeah,

1916
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 4: don't shoot. Nah he can't shoot, or he can't do

1917
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:31,200
Speaker 4: or he no, no, no, what you can do? Like I'm

1918
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:33,679
Speaker 4: talking about the good shit you do, because for every

1919
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 4: one thing that you do wrong, there's ten things that

1920
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 4: this young man does great for us. And if you

1921
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 4: get them to buy into that, man, they will do

1922
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 4: anything for you.

1923
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 1: Man.

1924
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 4: And you know, all of us have fall short of

1925
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 4: glory in some way or another. Like we're no one

1926
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 4: of us is perfect. We're all human. So I don't

1927
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 4: try to make it like I'm up here and they

1928
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,640
Speaker 4: down here. I humble myself. I talk to him. They

1929
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:56,639
Speaker 4: respect me when I walk into that room, and when

1930
01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 4: I speak, they listen. And man, it's a good relationship

1931
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 4: because as much as I count on as they count

1932
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:03,720
Speaker 4: on me, I count on them too.

1933
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, I need them to hit that come.

1934
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:11,600
Speaker 4: We was eight free throw short from being in the

1935
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 4: playoffs this year.

1936
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 3: I'm still hurt by it.

1937
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:17,719
Speaker 2: Go ahead ask you this, Like these last two years,

1938
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 2: the G League has been helping out with so much

1939
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 2: talent in the league of guys going up and down,

1940
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 2: and so for far, just speak about the talent and

1941
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 2: how great this G League is, because I feel like

1942
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 2: at first I was like, but then when I start

1943
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 2: really seeing guys, I start really paying attention to them

1944
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 2: G League games that be on TV and seeing the

1945
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 2: talent that that's coming up and down, and it's something

1946
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 2: that stay. Just tell us about the G League and

1947
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:45,640
Speaker 2: the talent that they have there because like a lot

1948
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:48,600
Speaker 2: of people just don't know it's games is good. Like

1949
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 2: the shit you see in the lead NBA, you will

1950
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:53,879
Speaker 2: see in the G League. You see it guys getting buckets,

1951
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:54,600
Speaker 2: dunking all this.

1952
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 3: Man, they getting to it and the thing about it.

1953
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 4: So for how it starts out, like in October, we

1954
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 4: do like a local tryout, So you have guys that

1955
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 4: pay money to come and show you that they can

1956
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 4: and then they got three hours. And then that three

1957
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 4: hours you got to be out to identify the talent

1958
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 4: and know that somebody can get down. I took three

1959
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:14,640
Speaker 4: guys this year out of the local tryout. Two of

1960
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:16,680
Speaker 4: them started for me the other guy. We ended up

1961
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 4: cutting later in the season. But man, you only get

1962
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 4: ten roster spots. So it's ten spots. So you can

1963
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:24,480
Speaker 4: imagine how these games and how these practices, how competitive

1964
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:24,880
Speaker 4: they are.

1965
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 1: I can't remember the year from the Spurs. He did

1966
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 1: the same thing. He made the league. He actually got

1967
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 1: a deal though, he made like thirty forty min he

1968
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 1: got signed to the Magic. I can't remember his name.

1969
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 1: He did the same thing. He made team.

1970
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,560
Speaker 2: Made Simmons, Simmons, Simmons.

1971
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:45,559
Speaker 1: But still he made up. He made the team Austin

1972
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 1: and then he made the Spurs and then he got

1973
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:49,599
Speaker 1: to play. Then he got a deal, made it with

1974
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 1: the Spurs, then he got Magic.

1975
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:54,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I tell a lot of these kids, Like, Okay,

1976
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 4: they have this league. It's sort of like the farm system,

1977
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 4: but each team is connected to a tiliate team, So

1978
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,839
Speaker 4: so for you, there's no bigger tryout, no bigger audition

1979
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 4: than right here.

1980
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 3: Like out of sight, out of mind.

1981
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 4: You can go overseas and hoop and get a little

1982
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:10,360
Speaker 4: bad or whatever, but they're never going to see you.

1983
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 4: They might see a couple of highlights, but if you

1984
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:16,160
Speaker 4: stay here, somebody's watching you every single night. And that's

1985
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:18,320
Speaker 4: what I had to try to convince a guy like

1986
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 4: Isaiah Thomas, Lance Stevenson, Like I had to convince those guys.

1987
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 2: Problem I'm so problem is like our ego is so high,

1988
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:29,639
Speaker 2: We're so confident in ourselves. It's hard to humble us

1989
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 2: ourselves all the way down that deep, you know what

1990
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:33,720
Speaker 2: I'm saying. But for them guys to do it, Man,

1991
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 2: Lance can still playing, Isaiah can still play.

1992
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 4: But a lot of it is like you said, from side,

1993
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 4: it's the perception, right, how they perceive.

1994
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 3: I never heard nothing bad about it.

1995
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 1: Heard I competed against him.

1996
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 4: I knew how tough of a competitor he was, But

1997
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:48,639
Speaker 4: I didn't know what the perception was till they send

1998
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 4: me these little reports. They got reports, man, ship is

1999
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 4: all the paper you got over there on these guys,

2000
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 4: even on us, like when we play, he do this, this

2001
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 4: and this, he hang out, this is this is a circle

2002
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:06,800
Speaker 4: of friends, all this negative intail that they're getting, which

2003
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 4: is nothing but hearsay. And so for me, I was like, nah, man,

2004
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 4: I'm not doing none of that. Bro, Can he play right?

2005
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:15,600
Speaker 4: Can't he play for us? Can I get him to

2006
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 4: be the best version of himself. I don't care what

2007
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 4: his history is. We all got it right. I'm trying

2008
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 4: to change that narrative. That's why we got to be

2009
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:24,559
Speaker 4: more in these positions to change them.

2010
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 2: Till we understand the politics of the politics of the game.

2011
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 2: May it's times where I'm at the organization and coach

2012
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:35,599
Speaker 2: and I come in that motherfucker, I'm like, fuck y'all.

2013
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I want you all to

2014
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:39,000
Speaker 2: feel now. I ain't for the practice for to day

2015
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 2: and all that. I'm pissed, you know what I'm saying,

2016
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 2: But it's the politics of the games. And that don't

2017
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 2: mean that that person ain't who he is.

2018
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 4: But I told them, use this platform to create your

2019
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:49,839
Speaker 4: own narrative.

2020
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:57,599
Speaker 1: Look and got a championship. I'm super happy for you, bro,

2021
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 1: like real talk, like you got a chip. Nobody. You

2022
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 1: might not never get another chip ef in your life,

2023
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 1: but you got that one. I was saying, like how

2024
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 1: you got it? Grind and yeah, you grin and you

2025
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 1: you contributed to like you was a part of that.

2026
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 1: And then the other part about the G League that

2027
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 1: I want to say before we move on, because like

2028
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:19,480
Speaker 1: I gotta give him they fly because I remember on

2029
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:21,679
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks back, we talked to Chris Paul,

2030
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, he the president, and he spoke on the

2031
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:28,040
Speaker 1: input like they saved the season. Bro, that's not fucking

2032
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:32,800
Speaker 1: talking these dudes in the game, Like hey, bro, like

2033
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 1: why you're cracking jokes and talking. First of all, respect

2034
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 1: this person, he's a person. But second of all, you

2035
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:39,599
Speaker 1: wouldn't even be watching the game of night that these

2036
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 1: dudes weren't available to come put you know, make the

2037
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 1: team games all everybody was getting out. That leaves the

2038
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 1: G League saved the last two NBA seasons. Bro, when

2039
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 1: Covid ravaging the league and cleans they calling these boys

2040
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 1: up and like that. It was like twofold they getting

2041
01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 1: to live out some dreams. But like they literally really

2042
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 1: where the backbone they saved it.

2043
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:03,799
Speaker 3: Like in professional sports.

2044
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 4: To think about times where that similarly happened is like

2045
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 4: in football, they had they call it replacement players, and

2046
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 4: they came in and played this is very safe and basketball.

2047
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 4: It's the first time in that Baseball too happened. Luckily

2048
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 4: we had the G League to pull.

2049
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:20,599
Speaker 1: These guys didn't dip like that's what I'm talking about.

2050
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 1: Product didn't take no plummet, Like you know what I'm saying, Like.

2051
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 4: Coming in now, my product took a little bit my

2052
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:30,679
Speaker 4: whole you know what I'm saying. I finished the season

2053
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 4: with nobody that I started the season like it was crazy,

2054
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:36,639
Speaker 4: but like I said, that's what the league is designed

2055
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:39,040
Speaker 4: to do. I was glad guys lived out their dream, man,

2056
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:40,360
Speaker 4: I was. I was proud of those guys.

2057
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:42,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was happy for them, you know because because

2058
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 1: because you got to know this, like without that situation,

2059
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:48,680
Speaker 1: some guys never get to see their jersey, they name

2060
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:51,439
Speaker 1: on the NBA jersey. It's like, no matter how good

2061
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:53,760
Speaker 1: they planned, that's just the facts for some guys. So

2062
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 1: that was like, yeah, like that was a cool thing

2063
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:58,680
Speaker 1: for them. And like while it was cool, like they

2064
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 1: legit saved the league, they saved the season, and I

2065
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:03,679
Speaker 1: think I think they should be credited for I think.

2066
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:06,400
Speaker 2: It's dope when they have guys like like Clay Thompson

2067
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 2: and and them, guys that when they coming down from

2068
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 2: a bad injury, like let me go and play two

2069
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 2: three games with them to just get some shout up,

2070
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:19,720
Speaker 2: get in there and get some shot just playing like

2071
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 2: g league is turning to. Like I said, I was

2072
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 2: weary on it at first, but I admire it and

2073
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:27,560
Speaker 2: I see how important it is to this league, and

2074
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 2: I'm glad they did it.

2075
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 3: It's dope, man.

2076
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 4: It's you know, sharif Is is up there in the

2077
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:33,759
Speaker 4: front office, lak Rose.

2078
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 3: Guys.

2079
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:37,880
Speaker 1: They do.

2080
01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 3: They do a great job.

2081
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:41,600
Speaker 4: And like you said, man, it's just another platform for

2082
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:43,759
Speaker 4: us to showcase our talent and ship.

2083
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 3: Like you said, they can really play. The guys get it.

2084
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 2: Every guy they bring up, they boy that opportunity. Man,

2085
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:54,599
Speaker 2: start bench trade, because we're too good to be getting

2086
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 2: cut by something we can't cut. Nobody can't cut. Nobody's

2087
01:33:57,240 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 2: with trade. Stephen Curry, Isaiah Thomas, Which one? Alan Iison?

2088
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 1: Which one?

2089
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 2: Huh?

2090
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 1: It's two Isaiah about oh g Z? Like you know, yeah,

2091
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:13,719
Speaker 1: when you put them.

2092
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:18,720
Speaker 2: In Isaiah Thomas, Alan iverson small guards, all of.

2093
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:21,640
Speaker 1: Your buckets, you say, start to.

2094
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:25,280
Speaker 2: Start benching trade.

2095
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:26,479
Speaker 3: They gotta play.

2096
01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:26,679
Speaker 1: Man.

2097
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 4: You walking in the gym and you got them in

2098
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:31,599
Speaker 4: your locker room. Man, Hey man, y'all, we're gonna figure

2099
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 4: it out. We want three guard lineup.

2100
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 2: Who's gonna start? Then you can't even pick a start.

2101
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:38,880
Speaker 3: All three of them.

2102
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 4: We're gonna rumble who they who they starting, and then

2103
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:44,280
Speaker 4: we're gonna figure it out. We're gonna match up with them.

2104
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 4: They can't guard us. I might start all three of them.

2105
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 4: Ain't nobody ever did that.

2106
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 2: Listen, We're gonna we're gonna pick.

2107
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 3: I gotta go with all three starting.

2108
01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:59,639
Speaker 2: I ain't mention nobody can't be nobody trade nobody.

2109
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you this, and I'm a politician to

2110
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 4: it certain extent.

2111
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 3: So we'll give Zeke. You know what I mean, we

2112
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:07,920
Speaker 3: used to ogi.

2113
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:09,160
Speaker 1: That's o g.

2114
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 4: He might run a quick three minutes. You know you

2115
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 4: your legs ain't like they used to be, and get

2116
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 4: his off. You know, Steph just proved that you in

2117
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 4: the playoffs he can come off the bench and give

2118
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 4: you thirty. Chuck already told you. Look, he's never coming

2119
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 4: off the bench for nobody. So him and Zeke a

2120
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:24,760
Speaker 4: start in the back court.

2121
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 1: They kind of that that that kind of you know,

2122
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:29,120
Speaker 1: separate det with itself.

2123
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:30,120
Speaker 3: Nah, for sure.

2124
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:32,320
Speaker 1: This is a question I like to ask though, And

2125
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:34,640
Speaker 1: I know you should have some good for this. My

2126
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:38,360
Speaker 1: man J T. Money aka the Jet Probably. I don't

2127
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:40,080
Speaker 1: know if it was on your first thing you let

2128
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:42,040
Speaker 1: me know, but whenever you felt like you had a

2129
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:44,519
Speaker 1: little nice little pocket book money that you wanted to

2130
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 1: treat or now I don't want to hear about We

2131
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 1: know everybody got mom something nice. Took care of the crib,

2132
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:51,280
Speaker 1: We took care of the fair. I'm talking about something

2133
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:54,000
Speaker 1: that we were called just like you out here, you straight,

2134
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 1: you straight, just you stunning, stunning, like this was all

2135
01:35:57,040 --> 01:36:00,120
Speaker 1: this was stunning purposes only like I want to they

2136
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 1: want no purpose one of them purchases where you just

2137
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:06,479
Speaker 1: want to be like, yeah, I'm being foolish. I'm just

2138
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:10,639
Speaker 1: just being young and being young and in it right now. Yeah, man,

2139
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:13,559
Speaker 1: and you started off ats so I think we probably

2140
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:16,759
Speaker 1: I can't. Then you have like an old school, a black,

2141
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 1: old school long joint.

2142
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:22,719
Speaker 4: Linking something of sixty six and polup blue midnight blue

2143
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 4: gold flags on the gold triple gold ds West Coast

2144
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:32,639
Speaker 4: to the Fullers. But nah, man, I think my most

2145
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 4: managed moment was after we want a champions.

2146
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:37,439
Speaker 1: I got to hear this. This is I see, ladies

2147
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:41,439
Speaker 1: and gentlemen. For those that don't know the the the

2148
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 1: moments in the summer after a pro player winning the championship,

2149
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:48,120
Speaker 1: that is some of the most arrogant ship you might

2150
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 1: ever see, so please proceeds.

2151
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 4: You went to the Western Finals too, though, right I

2152
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:53,800
Speaker 4: didn't win. I don't want to hear that ship. You

2153
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:57,639
Speaker 4: want a damn trophy.

2154
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:57,000
Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna tell you.

2155
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:00,840
Speaker 1: The bonus was nice, but I didn't it was not

2156
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:02,840
Speaker 1: a celebrate, celebrating time for me.

2157
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 4: Championship check. Oh man, So I go into bf A,

2158
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 4: I cast mine out.

2159
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:12,600
Speaker 1: But it took took the took you wanted to cast.

2160
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:13,840
Speaker 3: Ten days to get it.

2161
01:37:14,360 --> 01:37:17,599
Speaker 1: Hear that, ladies and gentlemen, when you want some big

2162
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 1: money water.

2163
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:25,720
Speaker 4: You walked into the Bentley Dealership with a with a

2164
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:35,200
Speaker 4: Cuban cigar in my robe still on championship championship, got

2165
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:39,080
Speaker 4: the finals, you got the Maverick logo on the back.

2166
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 4: I wore this row straight a year straight. I wore

2167
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 4: this rope. They hated it because I always had the

2168
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 4: cigar in their boom.

2169
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:48,720
Speaker 3: I didn't like it.

2170
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:50,880
Speaker 4: I didn't like it. Walked into the Bentley Dealership and

2171
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:53,600
Speaker 4: the two fifty cash walked out with the black on

2172
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:57,120
Speaker 4: black Bentley g T cut. Now, man, I don't know

2173
01:37:57,160 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 4: why I did that. That wasn't a move, was not

2174
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 4: the move. Cash out right on the spot.

2175
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 1: Let me explain to you why it was move number one,

2176
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:09,680
Speaker 1: because you're still good to you that serve. No, no, no,

2177
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:11,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you because you because you're.

2178
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:13,360
Speaker 3: Good listen years after retirement.

2179
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:16,280
Speaker 5: Not the move because because you you you survived, that

2180
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:20,200
Speaker 5: you good today and you live to tell this great

2181
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:24,800
Speaker 5: story because just you showing up to a dealership with

2182
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:29,320
Speaker 5: the NBA Championship had with the row, the row and

2183
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:29,960
Speaker 5: a cigar.

2184
01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:32,439
Speaker 4: I don't even think I had a shirt on it,

2185
01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:36,559
Speaker 4: and I think some slides. What type of I think

2186
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 4: I had? The cool grades the grays you were underneath, man,

2187
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:44,160
Speaker 4: I think I ain't had no shorts, no jeans, no sweats, nothing,

2188
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:47,960
Speaker 4: just the grays. No shirt in the row you got

2189
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:54,839
Speaker 4: a long side something and the socks extra managed.

2190
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:01,679
Speaker 2: Speaking of that, let me ask you about that after

2191
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 2: one of the championship in Miami, the party had live.

2192
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:10,400
Speaker 2: How could you how could y'all in Miami and and

2193
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:13,000
Speaker 2: not just go back to Dallas. Y'all partied in Miami

2194
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:15,400
Speaker 2: and lived in they most famous.

2195
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:18,840
Speaker 1: Club man and then how much did Cuban drop? Like seven?

2196
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:23,559
Speaker 4: But for me, that was the most humblest, humblest, however

2197
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:25,639
Speaker 4: you want to say the word, I was most humbled

2198
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:28,880
Speaker 4: in that moment. Right, I let them go to the party.

2199
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:30,400
Speaker 4: I let the bus leave. I went back to my

2200
01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 4: hotel room and got on my knees and prayed for

2201
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:36,400
Speaker 4: about thirty minutes. So I didn't I didn't, you know,

2202
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:39,200
Speaker 4: I caught the tail end of it. So when I

2203
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:41,320
Speaker 4: got to the club, I just walked in right at

2204
01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:44,400
Speaker 4: the time where the wheelbarrow was coming out. It's a wheelbarrow,

2205
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:48,599
Speaker 4: wheelbarrow full of ice. The bottle was as long as

2206
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:52,519
Speaker 4: it tast the biggest, oh man, and and I just

2207
01:39:52,640 --> 01:39:55,479
Speaker 4: was like what And it walked right by me, right

2208
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 4: to the back. Cuban was in there, Little Wayne was

2209
01:39:57,320 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 4: on stage. Cuban walked up on stage. Dirk was already gone,

2210
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:04,479
Speaker 4: he was toe up already on stage. And I was

2211
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:07,439
Speaker 4: just like, man, I missed it. I felt like I

2212
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:09,439
Speaker 4: missed something, you know what I mean. So I came

2213
01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:11,120
Speaker 4: back a week later with all the homies, said you

2214
01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:12,120
Speaker 4: already know how I went there.

2215
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:14,880
Speaker 1: You said, you took you a time. Man. I had

2216
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 1: to go. You had to go. You had to go.

2217
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:19,960
Speaker 4: Thank the good heaviest real real because being there in

2218
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:23,000
Speaker 4: five o six and being that close and then five

2219
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:25,840
Speaker 4: years later to get back and for it to all,

2220
01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:28,200
Speaker 4: you know, because you have been praying on it so long.

2221
01:40:28,280 --> 01:40:29,759
Speaker 3: When God coming and.

2222
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:35,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't know what else to do. And he

2223
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:37,679
Speaker 4: and every time I prayed, he was like, it's gonna happen.

2224
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:39,559
Speaker 4: I just kept hearing that voice. It's gonna happen. It's

2225
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:44,120
Speaker 4: gonna happen. That recook that confirmation. Let me give thanks

2226
01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:46,800
Speaker 4: manfe He came with me, we came back and then

2227
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:48,960
Speaker 4: we we came to the club later. But I mean

2228
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:51,679
Speaker 4: epic night. I think you know what I'm saying.

2229
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:54,320
Speaker 1: Everything I saw everything.

2230
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:57,600
Speaker 2: Else after I want a championship and so far the

2231
01:40:57,680 --> 01:41:02,200
Speaker 2: phone when when the final buzzer sound took off with

2232
01:41:02,240 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 2: the moment never seen the big boy like with the moment,

2233
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:08,040
Speaker 2: like he read for like he could even like.

2234
01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:09,799
Speaker 1: Did he ever explained from.

2235
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:16,960
Speaker 4: Got out of there quick, came back and got itself together,

2236
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:20,559
Speaker 4: came back and he still couldn't you know, you can

2237
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:23,559
Speaker 4: still see it. But it was like man, but for

2238
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:25,880
Speaker 4: me and in that moment, Man, I'll never forget this.

2239
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:28,320
Speaker 4: So my mother and father, you know, I grew up

2240
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:31,760
Speaker 4: one of ten mom raised a single parent, and in

2241
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 4: that moment, on that stage, my mother and father hugged

2242
01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:36,360
Speaker 4: for the first time.

2243
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:39,120
Speaker 3: That I seen. That broke me down.

2244
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 1: Wow.

2245
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:43,559
Speaker 4: On that stands because of something their son did, Like

2246
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:45,719
Speaker 4: for me, that was so so powerful you've.

2247
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:48,880
Speaker 1: Never seen before, so never see that's amazing.

2248
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:51,040
Speaker 4: They shared a moment, but it was because of something

2249
01:41:51,080 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 4: I did.

2250
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 2: It brought.

2251
01:41:55,200 --> 01:42:00,719
Speaker 1: I tell you, I tell you you. I can remember

2252
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:02,360
Speaker 1: y'all when I was, I was hype. I was hype

2253
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 1: for all y'all. You know what I'm saying. I know

2254
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:07,599
Speaker 1: you da, But like I was super geek for tricks Man.

2255
01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:09,240
Speaker 1: I felt like you know what I'm saying, Like I

2256
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:11,599
Speaker 1: felt like he was he was he was finally gonna

2257
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:14,920
Speaker 1: be seen cause like what he what he brought to

2258
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:18,520
Speaker 1: the table kind of it gets over it gets overlooked

2259
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:21,400
Speaker 1: and it doesn't get its proper and just due and

2260
01:42:21,479 --> 01:42:23,439
Speaker 1: his credit and like for real, like because I remember,

2261
01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:24,600
Speaker 1: like you think back to when I say, when we

2262
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:27,920
Speaker 1: played on the playoffs, Dirk game me, I can't remember

2263
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:30,120
Speaker 1: which game he was he had the fadeaway. It was

2264
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:38,479
Speaker 1: like yeah, but like to watch tricks legit say, it

2265
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:40,840
Speaker 1: wasn't like he said, It's just he did it. I

2266
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 1: got him. Now. Nobody don't have to help Nobody did

2267
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:46,120
Speaker 1: that to Dirk that whole time when he was in

2268
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:48,639
Speaker 1: his prime. Nobody could guard Dirt Novinsky one on one

2269
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:51,200
Speaker 1: like Tricks was a fucking nightmare to the point to

2270
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:53,400
Speaker 1: where he was so good that they said we need

2271
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:55,480
Speaker 1: him here so that he can't do this against.

2272
01:42:55,280 --> 01:43:02,320
Speaker 4: Us Brandon roy Right and audredch then the next round Kobe.

2273
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:06,000
Speaker 4: Then he had Kevin Durant and he was on West.

2274
01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:10,080
Speaker 4: Just look at the Wade and lebron in that run.

2275
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:14,120
Speaker 1: This and you can't name, like, name somebody else who

2276
01:43:14,120 --> 01:43:16,000
Speaker 1: could do what you just said, Not a one like

2277
01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:19,960
Speaker 1: you can do like he just said. He just said,

2278
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:24,479
Speaker 1: come on one through five. Yeah, gotta give him his credit.

2279
01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:28,160
Speaker 1: We give you your forever.

2280
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:34,680
Speaker 4: Look, Tricks got drafted at nine. I was ten. His

2281
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:36,800
Speaker 4: table right here, I'm right here at the draft. I'm

2282
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:38,840
Speaker 4: looking at the Phoenix. I went to Arizona, so I'm

2283
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:43,800
Speaker 4: thinking Phoenix Sean Marrian with the ninth pick, Phoenix Suns.

2284
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:46,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, but it's my guy, so I'm happy for him.

2285
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:48,920
Speaker 4: Then I went, so that's our story, men, Tricks, But

2286
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:50,800
Speaker 4: we always been been tight.

2287
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:53,479
Speaker 2: Another key player I want you to talk about too,

2288
01:43:53,720 --> 01:43:55,840
Speaker 2: And I feel like you and him was key to

2289
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:59,000
Speaker 2: your championship run, and all y'all said was J. J.

2290
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:03,519
Speaker 2: Barrells served like how he stepped Yeah, he stepped up

2291
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:06,720
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. You know he didn't he didn't get

2292
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:08,719
Speaker 2: all the minutes during the season and all that stuff.

2293
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:11,160
Speaker 2: But it was something about him in the matchup to

2294
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:15,120
Speaker 2: all the playoff buddy, that that fifteen points or twelve

2295
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:18,879
Speaker 2: points he was bringing was well needed. He was, especially

2296
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:20,559
Speaker 2: with the Lakers, like they were so mad at him.

2297
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:21,960
Speaker 2: Biana tried to take his head off.

2298
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:23,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was our he was our curve, he was

2299
01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:25,839
Speaker 4: our South. He was our curve ball. I mean, because

2300
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:28,280
Speaker 4: you know, you think about a kid like him first

2301
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:29,439
Speaker 4: of all, when you see him.

2302
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:32,800
Speaker 3: You know you're looking like, I ain't Finnah like.

2303
01:44:32,920 --> 01:44:33,600
Speaker 2: What he gonna do?

2304
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:33,920
Speaker 3: Right?

2305
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:37,320
Speaker 4: But for some reason, man, that little dude man toughest noils.

2306
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 4: He's one of the fierstest competitors I've ever played with.

2307
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:42,479
Speaker 4: Great teammate, good friend, and uh.

2308
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:43,040
Speaker 3: He wanted to win.

2309
01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:46,120
Speaker 4: Man, He'll do anything to win. And I can remember

2310
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:48,639
Speaker 4: when we first drafted, he would have to follow Avery

2311
01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:51,080
Speaker 4: around with the clipboard because Avery used to just be

2312
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:53,720
Speaker 4: disrespecting him, like, man, he ain't gonna do nothing. Man,

2313
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 4: We sent that boy to the G League. He spent

2314
01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:59,559
Speaker 4: one day in the G League, came back.

2315
01:44:59,439 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 3: The next day.

2316
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:02,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, he put up fifty five in the G League.

2317
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:05,240
Speaker 4: He never went to the G League ever again. Like

2318
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 4: you know, people think take the league when you're a

2319
01:45:07,400 --> 01:45:09,400
Speaker 4: rookie and you get drafted, like the motion.

2320
01:45:09,479 --> 01:45:12,200
Speaker 3: I'm a man. That boy went down there and never

2321
01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:12,800
Speaker 3: went back.

2322
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:15,280
Speaker 4: And it was funny. They came to practice one day.

2323
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:18,320
Speaker 4: They put his little jersey in the frame. But man,

2324
01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:21,240
Speaker 4: we used to we used to doing bad talk bad

2325
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:22,160
Speaker 4: to him, call him.

2326
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:23,320
Speaker 1: A little midget, little baby.

2327
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:25,439
Speaker 4: But when it was the game was on the line,

2328
01:45:25,439 --> 01:45:29,120
Speaker 4: he delivered. Yeah, he was a great teammate, man, fierce hooper,

2329
01:45:29,160 --> 01:45:33,759
Speaker 4: but shot out shot of Puerto Rican.

2330
01:45:36,479 --> 01:45:39,240
Speaker 1: Royal cookies.

2331
01:45:39,479 --> 01:45:41,200
Speaker 4: They got a little something to him on him too,

2332
01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:43,280
Speaker 4: They got a little they played with a certain.

2333
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:48,360
Speaker 1: Type los in Miami Cookies cookies definitely got the little

2334
01:45:48,360 --> 01:45:51,720
Speaker 1: fight with that, with that, with it.

2335
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:55,479
Speaker 2: How does it feel to like not many people have

2336
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:59,080
Speaker 2: done what you done one on all three levels like

2337
01:45:59,439 --> 01:46:02,960
Speaker 2: high school, college and the NBA. How does it feel

2338
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:06,479
Speaker 2: like because you you the ultimate champion, you the ultimate winner?

2339
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:10,200
Speaker 2: And how does it feel to like win that I

2340
01:46:10,240 --> 01:46:12,760
Speaker 2: never won on well, I can go to college.

2341
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:15,040
Speaker 1: In high school, college or the league. You know why

2342
01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:16,559
Speaker 1: you gotta say it like that, you just say you

2343
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:19,040
Speaker 1: never want I just said I did.

2344
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:23,160
Speaker 2: But how does it feel to like, you know, you're

2345
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:25,479
Speaker 2: labeled a winner? Now only you label the winner. You

2346
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:28,320
Speaker 2: labeled a champion when they mentioned your name, it's it's

2347
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:33,400
Speaker 2: world champion Jason Terrory. How does that feel that? How

2348
01:46:33,439 --> 01:46:34,240
Speaker 2: does that to feel that?

2349
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:37,639
Speaker 4: It's something that I'm humbled about, but it's a part

2350
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:40,320
Speaker 4: of my legacy and it's something that I extremely work

2351
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:43,160
Speaker 4: hard to accomplish and achieve. Like when I set out

2352
01:46:43,160 --> 01:46:45,880
Speaker 4: to do something, I always played for the win, Like

2353
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:48,080
Speaker 4: whatever that means to you, but for me, it meant

2354
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:52,320
Speaker 4: being the last one standing, sacrificing dedication to hard work,

2355
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:55,439
Speaker 4: being a good person, being a great teammate, and then

2356
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:57,280
Speaker 4: at the end of the day winning it all. Like

2357
01:46:57,720 --> 01:47:01,160
Speaker 4: every level I set out of success or every level

2358
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:04,040
Speaker 4: of achievement that I wanted to achieve, I wanted to

2359
01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:06,720
Speaker 4: say that I was the best, and to do that

2360
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:07,519
Speaker 4: you have to be a.

2361
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:10,200
Speaker 3: Champion, you know what I mean? And I was able

2362
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:10,599
Speaker 3: to do it.

2363
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:14,000
Speaker 4: Now can I say I've had some great coaches, great

2364
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:17,559
Speaker 4: teammates along the way, Yes, But did I play an

2365
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:19,920
Speaker 4: integral part in all those championship teams?

2366
01:47:20,120 --> 01:47:20,960
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I did.

2367
01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:23,280
Speaker 4: Some guys that just was a loan for the ride

2368
01:47:24,240 --> 01:47:27,880
Speaker 4: and they were blessed enforcing it. But ship, man, I

2369
01:47:28,160 --> 01:47:31,360
Speaker 4: got sweat act with you in a lot of them.

2370
01:47:31,680 --> 01:47:34,080
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, man, and and man, I put everything I

2371
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:37,400
Speaker 4: had into it and I'm still doing it. Like it's

2372
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:40,280
Speaker 4: just something about it. Man, Okay, I gotta give myself

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01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:43,720
Speaker 4: a little props. Like the best championship that I've been

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01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:46,519
Speaker 4: a part of was the first year I retired and

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01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:49,760
Speaker 4: I coached the North Dallas at Venice Academy girls to

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01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:53,479
Speaker 4: a state championship. And it was the only time where

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01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:56,759
Speaker 4: I couldn't directly impact winning like I couldn't.

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01:47:57,080 --> 01:47:59,000
Speaker 3: I couldn't like I couldn't shoot.

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01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:02,160
Speaker 4: Right, some little girls up to like like y'all can

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01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:05,120
Speaker 4: do it. No, y'all champions, Like we're looking over there

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01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:05,880
Speaker 4: at that at them.

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01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:07,200
Speaker 3: No, they ain't better than y'all.

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01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:10,960
Speaker 4: Like we got the team, and man, they believed everything

2384
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:13,799
Speaker 4: I was telling them, and sometimes it was smoking mirrors

2385
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:16,120
Speaker 4: I was telling them. But they bought in, man, and

2386
01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:18,479
Speaker 4: they achieved. And to see their smiles and the tears

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01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:20,760
Speaker 4: and the parents. Like they became.

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01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:27,040
Speaker 1: Chating your first time as a coach to be impact

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01:48:27,320 --> 01:48:28,800
Speaker 1: on the court, but like you saw that you could

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01:48:28,840 --> 01:48:30,000
Speaker 1: do it that way. What did happen?

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Speaker 4: That was an ultimate reward as a competitor, as a

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01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:37,760
Speaker 4: as a champion, as a mentor, as a coach, like

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01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:40,800
Speaker 4: to see them succeed and have that success. So I

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01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:43,040
Speaker 4: knew what it felt like as a player, but to

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01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:45,280
Speaker 4: watch them, I knew they had that same feeling. Now

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01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:46,880
Speaker 4: to be able to give that to them or to

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01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:49,439
Speaker 4: help them, Man, it's no greater.

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01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:52,720
Speaker 2: Feeling out of all the teammates you had when you

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01:48:52,760 --> 01:48:55,000
Speaker 2: played in the league. If you had to pick four

2400
01:48:55,120 --> 01:48:57,080
Speaker 2: other players out of all the teams you played with,

2401
01:48:57,760 --> 01:48:59,800
Speaker 2: all the teammates you didn't play with, who was for other?

2402
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:01,160
Speaker 2: Is that you make your.

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01:49:01,080 --> 01:49:01,720
Speaker 1: Stock for me?

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01:49:02,160 --> 01:49:05,200
Speaker 3: Start five with me? Oh Man, Dirk is in there

2405
01:49:05,240 --> 01:49:05,599
Speaker 3: for show?

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01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:09,800
Speaker 1: J kidd kg it's nasty.

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01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:14,479
Speaker 3: I'm good right there. Who I want to rock with?

2408
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:16,800
Speaker 2: Tricks you played with, you played with James hard and

2409
01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:19,920
Speaker 2: the way I got I gotta put in there.

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01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:27,519
Speaker 4: Look at the front line. I'm always gonna be the

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01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:28,559
Speaker 4: sixth man off the bench.

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01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:30,880
Speaker 1: Spring me off the bench, j kid.

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01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:33,240
Speaker 3: Oh, then I need a tool guard.

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01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:35,920
Speaker 4: I didn't play with no good tools, so I was

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01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:42,200
Speaker 4: always to the team you, J Kid, I did play

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01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:47,000
Speaker 4: with James, that's crazy. I did play with James.

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01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:49,519
Speaker 3: You and Kidd, James.

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01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:50,599
Speaker 1: I canna put James in there.

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01:49:51,080 --> 01:49:52,880
Speaker 4: Tricks, I let you, You and me gonna come off

2420
01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:54,519
Speaker 4: the bench. Were gonna give them the energy they need.

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01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:56,320
Speaker 4: You see my front line tricks.

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01:49:56,360 --> 01:49:57,400
Speaker 1: You can't mean that.

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01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:03,800
Speaker 4: NVP to a defensive player of the years like dad Man,

2424
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:06,920
Speaker 4: you gotta hell of a bitch. No tricks were good.

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01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:12,040
Speaker 2: Baby, that's a crazy starting lineup, j Kid, Johannis, KG,

2426
01:50:12,240 --> 01:50:12,759
Speaker 2: and Dirt.

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01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:14,519
Speaker 3: My front line is crazy.

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01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:18,559
Speaker 4: I put that front line up against anybody, Sir.

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01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:21,759
Speaker 1: Man, that's been real. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

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01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:25,320
Speaker 1: We look man, man, like you said from the beginning. Man,

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01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:27,839
Speaker 1: it's our bro. Man. We got the jet in the building.

2432
01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:32,479
Speaker 1: We live on location. We came in here to Dallas, Detawn. Man.

2433
01:50:32,479 --> 01:50:36,880
Speaker 1: We got some very very very very very gracious sponsors, sir,

2434
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:39,640
Speaker 1: and I know you like like ourselves. Man. You know

2435
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:42,200
Speaker 1: we're from the hood. We got this good hennessy bs O.

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01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:44,240
Speaker 1: Let me show man, look you see, let me show

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01:50:44,240 --> 01:50:47,320
Speaker 1: you how big time the boys and the kids in

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01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:47,880
Speaker 1: the round.

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01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:49,920
Speaker 4: Okay, I thought you was gonna show me the logo

2440
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:53,440
Speaker 4: they got. They got to know the.

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01:50:53,080 --> 01:51:00,640
Speaker 1: Kids especial very man. Yeah, we put that you know,

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01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:02,920
Speaker 1: you know you got big time. You know, member, Bill,

2443
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:04,479
Speaker 1: you can put that up there and it's one of

2444
01:51:04,479 --> 01:51:07,679
Speaker 1: your situations or something. Man, appreciate you know what I'm saying.

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01:51:07,680 --> 01:51:10,519
Speaker 1: We appreciate the jet man. It's somebody who's respect great

2446
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:13,320
Speaker 1: here man, our family. We came in this thing together.

2447
01:51:13,400 --> 01:51:15,479
Speaker 1: We didne did a lot of things together. Man. We

2448
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:18,679
Speaker 1: got much love and much success. Continue, bro, keep putting

2449
01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:31,080
Speaker 1: it down for the culture. All right.

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01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:33,240
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