WEBVTT - Brad Garrett can't be canceled 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:02.560 If I could like walk into a house in the 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:09.520 Midwest unannounced and just just sitting down with regular people. Yeah, no, 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:13.960 here's here's a nine foot insecured you coming to your 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:17.680 home and you just knock on the door. What's that smell? 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:24.360 You could be that boy, I smell meat loafing aim. 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:32.040 You have to be like Allen, you know? Can I 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:32.519 come in? 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:39.760 I love talking to comedians because I feel like to 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:41.840 be a really good comedian you have to be really 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:44.800 self aware. And I think my least favorite people to 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:47.640 talk to are people who can't see what everybody else sees, 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:51.840 like do you know yourself at all? And comedians know thyselves. 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:56.240 There are no pretenses or veneers. And my next guest 0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:00.080 is so funny but also so thoughtful and lovely. You 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:04.840 know him from Everybody Loves Raymond, the Emmy nominated film Gleason, 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:08.000 where he played Jackie Gleason till Death the Night at 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.800 the Museum Movies. He performs regularly at his own comedy 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:14.480 club at the MGM Grand because he's a baller who 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.399 has their own comedy club. It's Brad Garrett. Welcome to 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.880 off the cup. Brad. How are you good? I'm better now? 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:21.399 That you're here. 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:23.880 Great to be here. I feel a little self aware. 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:25.880 Is it okay? 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:27.280 Your hair looks great? 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:30.280 Thank you. Part of it's mine and part of it 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:32.400 was donated to me. 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:33.039 It was a gift. 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.640 Actually, I took the hair off my dog before I 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:42.080 ate it. So it's Alicia. It was time. It was 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:48.000 time for him. He was ready, had a shelte. Good 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.080 to see you, honey, Good to see you. 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:53.040 I'm so happy to talk to you because we've been 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:56.280 like Twitter or Instagram friends for a few years now. 0:01:56.400 --> 0:02:00.120 Have you been getting my dms and everything? You're okay 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:05.400 with the pictures? 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.040 Nothing untoward was sent. Just want everyone to know. 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:09.520 Good. 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:12.040 There's so much I want to get into with you. 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:16.160 I want to start. I want to start with your childhood. 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:17.200 Were you funny as a kid? 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:22.640 You know? I think, yeah, I was? I was. I 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:28.160 think I you know. I was raised by uh, loving 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:35.960 parents that really struggled mentally, okay, and my mom suffered 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:42.480 from extreme depression. My father was a wonderful man and 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:45.200 really really my hero growing up, but he was bipolar 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.400 and we didn't know that until much later in life. 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.200 We just thought he was eccentric and yeah, fun and 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.320 you know, wanted his son to be his wingman and 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:57.040 all great things when I was growing up. But I 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:01.440 think when you're raised with parents that struggle no matter 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.040 what it is, I think we feel like it's our 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:05.720 job to entertain. 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:08.720 Them or make them happy, make them laugh. 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:10.840 Them happy, fix the problem. 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:12.240 There's a lot of pressure. 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:17.200 Yeah, it is. It is. And you know, my mom 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:21.000 was very critical, and it was like she didn't even 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:24.680 want me in the home movies, which every time she 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:28.480 would think she always said, you know what, good audition, 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:32.959 We're going another way. And she would try to cast 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:37.960 other children in my room growing up, which she heardened 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:42.400 me made this armor. No, but I think you know, 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:46.360 my father was incredibly funny and I got a lot 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:48.840 of that from him. But I was bullied a lot 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:51.240 growing up because I was like six feet to twelve. 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:57.440 I had no athletic ability. I looked and this is 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:02.520 a compliment, I looked like Liza Minelli as I was 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:04.560 growing up. No, I really did. I'll send you some 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:07.440 picture they're touching them please. But I had, you know, 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:10.360 I had eyes that looked like I was crying off 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.280 my mascarra every time I went to school. I just 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.120 I had that looked like when I look at the pictures, 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:19.320 there's only three pictures of me from my childhood. One 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:23.200 was in court. I look like I have three jobs. 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.320 I looked like I could be making iPhones in China. 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.440 When I look at the small, small pictures of me, 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:31.520 I look at I go what was I going through? 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:35.080 But it was a lot of people really trying hard 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:39.160 to do their best. Yeah, and you know there was 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:41.440 there was a lot of you know, dysfunction. 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:43.200 But did you have siblings? 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.840 I had two older brothers, quite a bit older than 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:51.000 I'm the youngest of three, and my oldest brother was 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.880 nine years older and then the middle was six years older. 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:59.760 We have the same mom, different dads, okay, and we 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:01.479 were as close as we could be. You know. The 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.400 key was to get out as soon as we could 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:07.960 of the house and kind of do our own, our 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:11.840 own thing and it. You know, it's so difficult when 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.840 people you love and you're closed with struggle and the 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:16.960 refuse help. 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:19.479 Oh, is that what happened? They didn't want to get 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:22.680 They really didn't want the help. That's of a generation, 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:24.240 I think it is. 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:26.640 That's why I love talking about this stuff, you know, 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:31.240 because of people like yourself and you know it's now important, 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.520 you know, and that it's okay, you know, to not 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.440 be okay as they say, I know that's so clich Yeah, 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:38.599 it's true, and it's good to know that people do, 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.360 you know, face a lot of challenges, and I think 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:45.200 more so than ever because of this crazy world word 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:45.920 I guess. 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.000 And I want to talk about mental health a lot 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:50.880 with you because that's the point of this. But so 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.640 you you go to college but you drop out right 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.279 to do comedy. 0:05:55.360 --> 0:06:00.760 Yes, well I was. I was also encouraged to leave. Yeah, 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.280 the school was like, you're you're not cut out for this, 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:06.000 and I you know, I busted my behind to be 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:09.680 like a strong B student. And growing up I really 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:14.840 didn't have friends, you know, a lot of them. Some 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.880 I paid and they were right by the house and hunk. 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:22.160 But my teachers were kind of like my See. I 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:24.520 knew early on that if you if you make the 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:28.520 teachers laugh when you're the class clown, they have something. 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:32.280 It's easy to make the other kids laugh, especially in 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:36.960 public school because you know, so I think when I 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.919 made my teachers laugh, I knew that there was really 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.000 something there. And early on my teachers really went like 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:45.000 you got to get in the theater. I mean I 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:48.120 was doing stand up at like sixteen, I was doing 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.840 bar Mitzvah's and it was really you know, it's horrific. 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.359 I don't know if you've ever tried to make rabbis laugh, 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:57.840 but it's it was hell. 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:01.440 You had encouragement and people recognize that you were talented young. 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:07.279 I had encouraged it. My parents were incredibly encouraging. You know. 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.840 My dad really got it. And I think my mom 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.400 was hoping that, you know, if if I got famous, 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:17.800 that maybe she could get a job. You know, I 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.360 think it was kind of her thing. You know. It's 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:24.560 like when I started opening for different acts in Vegas, 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:28.160 I would have my parents, you know, would I would 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.280 have my mom and her third husband, my stepdad. I 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.960 would have him in the audience. I was opening for 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:38.560 Sinatra for a while and last part of his life, 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.600 you know, when he was God bless him, I mean, 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.120 the greatest, but he was like does summer Win does 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:48.280 a tray up? Bob Bob? So now, yeah, I was 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:50.120 just so happy for the gig. And I grew up 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:53.280 on that music, so that was like it was incredible, 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:57.680 But less Frank, he had bigger things to remember, and 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:03.040 he called me Greg Barrett for two years while opening 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:06.560 for him, you know. And Frank isn't the guy you 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:07.720 stick down and correct. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:09.800 You don't correct Frank, you don't. 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.600 You know. And I went to his buddy Julie and 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:14.640 I went, you know, we've been on the road five months. 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.160 Maybe you can tell Frank that I'm Brad, you know. 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.840 And he's like, you want the gig or not? You 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.840 don't like working with Frank. And it became that. So 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:28.320 I was Greg, and my mom from the audience was like, 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.480 his name is Brad? 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:32.319 His name? 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:36.440 This happened in Vegas, okay? And I would take her 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.000 and I would talk about my mom and my aunt. 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:43.240 She would say that isn't true. His mother I never 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.360 you know. So there was eventually a restraining order at 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.959 the Desert Inn to keep my mom from and then 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.000 she hit on Steve Lawrence when I opened for Steve 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:53.640 and Edie. 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:55.480 And she's like a character. 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:59.559 Oh, she was wonderful. She told Sammy Davis that not every. 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:02.599 Night is bad Duke my god. 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.120 Yeah it was, I gotta tell you, but but I 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.679 felt better if I did an invite her. Yeah, was 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.720 a wonderfully complicated woman. 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:28.520 So at twenty three, you go on Carson, one of 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:32.600 the youngest comedians ever to go on that show. What 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:34.240 how did you take all of that in? 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:40.040 Well, you know, it was, you know, it's it's kind 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.400 of hard to explain. I mean it was you know, 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:46.840 you're behind that curtain you grow up watching, and you 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.560 know it was, you know, my stand up until I 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:53.760 really found myself. It was very you know, pedestrian and 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:57.960 really kind of hackey and just nothing really where you're going, 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:02.600 wow this, you know, and uh, it was okay. But 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:07.920 I had one Star search and Ed McMahon hosted that 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.120 winning star search, and you know I would always get 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.240 ice for Ed and sneak it into his trailer and 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:16.800 I would open up the salve and he would tell 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:20.040 me stories. And so he helped, I think, get me 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.400 on the Tonight Show. And I did a handful of him, 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:26.320 and you know, it really really helped because in those days, 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.040 you know, there were five channels and if you did 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:34.440 decent would you know, I think my key was timing 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:37.080 in cadence over material. 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:38.360 Suit. 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.360 Yeah, and then I just like when I was opening 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:43.360 for the big acts and they never want to see 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.880 the opening act. I left my material and I just 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.400 started to roast the crowd. 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:52.600 Yeah, yeah, a lot of. 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:59.720 You know, rejection anger. And then Frank's audience, you know, 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.080 you take went to the melon if you roast the 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:05.840 wrong guy. John Gotti in the front row in Atlantic City. 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.760 I didn't know who John Gotty was. This was ninety one. 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:13.360 He was in the front row in a top hat, 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.679 dark glasses and like a white shirt and tails. And 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:21.000 I went, oh, my god, it's mister peanut, you know, 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:23.840 just joking around. So I go backstage and. 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:24.920 You said that to his face. 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:27.200 Well he was in the audience. I didn't know it 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:30.679 was John Gotti, you know. And I go backstage and 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:36.720 Jilly was like, you have to hide. So they put me, 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:38.959 you know, they said, don't come out until we let 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.560 you know. John Gotti went backstage, and I'm sure there 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:45.040 was gunplay and him Frank played I don't know crazy 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.640 eights or whatever they did. But the point is I 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:52.280 started busting the balls of Frank's people that were in 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:55.000 the front row, and they loved it. And you know, 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:59.200 it's kind of like Rickles on steroids. Yeah, and so 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:01.280 now in this, you know, and this what I do 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.480 at my club is just you know, mostly crowd work 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:06.280 and improv, which I love and. 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:09.240 That's my thing, and that's really come back, Like crowd 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.160 work is so popular now. 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.600 You know, it's all I've really, I mean, I mean 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:17.520 never done, you know, And yeah, yeah, like Gray, you know, 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:19.680 Ray and I worked together for a while and he 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:24.120 would say, why Kurt, you suit down for five minutes 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:31.520 and right, just right, and I'm like, look you right, 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:38.240 and I'm great. Now. He's really amazing. I mean, he's 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.079 really funny. He's a great writer. That's never been my thing. 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:43.200 I'd rather go out without a net and I get 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:47.520 moored easy. And you know, we spent many many years 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:50.040 on the road together and having a great time and 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:54.080 working the casinos together. Yeah, but I think there was 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:57.360 a time where the casinos were really worried, especially during 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:00.080 the cancel culture, and I went, you know, this is 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.400 what I do and this is what it is, and 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:05.840 you know you're not going to change at sixty four 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.120 and I love doing this. And yeah, that it did 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.480 a whole full circle. And now people seem to really 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:16.520 want the edge because they're so tired of hearing what 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:19.400 they can laugh at what they can't laugh at. Yeah, 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:21.480 and you know, you have to have a career to 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:25.320 get canceled. So thank god I can't get canceled. 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:27.800 You've had a career. Stop. 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.760 I'm working the food court, Essie. I love to have 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:34.200 you and the kid come by. We got balloons. He 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:35.280 can color the menu. 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:42.200 Okay, So you mentioned Ray is landing a sitcom, especially 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:46.360 a successful one, the dream for comedians or do you 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:47.200 prefer stand up? 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:52.160 Well, you know, I always felt that acting was I mean, 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.920 I was always doing stand up. But to me, acting was, 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.400 you know, the holy grail. That was the brass room 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:01.160 for me, you know, and get on that show. I 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:06.120 mean I auditioned and a couple times, and I knew 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:09.320 how lucky I was, you know, a halfway through the 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.439 first season you go board. The chemistry of the cast 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:17.160 was so organic, and that's really the key. After you 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.600 have great writers. You got to have the writers. And 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:23.320 this group was just about, you know, as good as 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:27.320 they get. And there was that synergy of just everything popping, 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.200 and Ray knew what the show is about, and Phil 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.920 knew how to create it around Ray, and it was 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:35.480 just one of those things. And I got lucky. You know, 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.160 you got to you gotta be lucky too. You got 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:41.080 to work hard, but when that audition comes, you got 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:44.280 to be prepared. I was never some I mean I 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.200 could have done stand up my whole life and been 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.920 happy because I still love it. You know. It wasn't like, well, 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.280 I'm going to try stand up and maybe that'll get 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:56.200 me a sitcom because you know, like for a while 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.760 they were giving people on TikTok that had two million 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:03.120 followers a pilot, and yeah, you know what happens with 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:04.960 that because they don't have a skill set, they just 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:08.640 have something that went viral. Right, So back in those days, 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:10.760 you know, we really worked on our craft. I was 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.480 an acting class since I was eighteen, So it was 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.600 something that I always, you know, felt I wanted to do, 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.560 not something that would necessarily crack for me. 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:24.560 So Raymond Goes ninety six to two thousand and five, 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:29.400 Seinfeld was eighty nine to ninety eight, Fraser Is ninety 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.320 three to two thousand and four, Friends ninety four to 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:34.760 two thousand and four, Will and Grace ninety eight to 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:36.920 two thousand and six. King of Queens ninety eight to 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:40.000 two thousand and seven. You were airing concurrently with the 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:45.520 biggest sitcoms on the planet, including yours. Yeah, well, what 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:47.960 was that? I mean, it's such a high time for sitcoms. 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.680 What was that like? And were there like any rivalries? 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.840 You know, there really weren't rivalries. I mean to be honest. 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:59.240 You know, Friends and Seinfeld they were the juggernauts. You know, 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.720 we were very different show. Those shows were really pushing 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:07.040 the envelope and friendship super sexy and really funny and 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.040 yeah and Frasier was you know, that was such a 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:14.600 high bar. We were doing something really kind of different. 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.480 That kind of went back to, you know, that old 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:19.680 vibe of what sitcoms were. 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:20.720 Like all in the family. 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.800 Yeah, well, I mean to me, that's, you know, nothing 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:26.920 better than that shob right in my opinion, But I 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.840 think that's what, you know, that was what I think 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:34.080 everyone wanted to strive for that family unit that you know, 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:37.920 had no choice but to be together and how do 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:42.440 we navigate that? And you know, Phil ran the show 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.800 where like when he would break a story literally the 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:49.040 writer's room every Monday, he would go around the table 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.360 to the writers and he would go, you know, what 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:56.640 happened this weekend? What happened this weekend? And almost all 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.920 the time something would be hatched in that room it's 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:02.960 it's like the luggage episode. It was a big, a 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.399 big episode for the show where you know, Ray and 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:07.720 Dever just argued over who's going to put away that 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:08.880 last piece of luggage? 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.840 Are you referring to the suitcase that you haven't moved 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.040 in three weeks? Is that the suitcase to which. 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:14.640 You are referring? 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:22.400 Why couldn't you move it? Why couldn't you move it? 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:22.800 All right? 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.640 You are not going to the airport with a grocery bag. 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:32.000 Take the suitcase. You know, that little pettiness of marriage 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:35.199 and those kind of things. You know, it all happened 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.560 the thing with my my lucky suit you know when 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:42.040 I went to interview with the FBI. You know, this 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:45.880 is something that happened to one of the writers fathers, 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.280 you know, and it just it just comes from a 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.960 good place. That being said, you know, we knew who 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:55.440 the big boys were, you know when we watched Seinfeld 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:59.119 and Friends the way anybody else did, But there weren't 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:03.600 the real you know, a real satisfaction of airing during 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.520 that golden era and be able to hold our. 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:11.960 Own Oh totally yeah, And you very memorable part on 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:13.200 Seinfeld the mechanic. 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:15.760 There's really nothing wrong on the inside. Well, the ship 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:16.919 Nove is loose. You know about that? 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:18.399 No, I haven't noticed. 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:20.040 Have you been picking at it? 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:22.160 Have I been picking at it? 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.960 No? You know, just wear and tear, wearing tear. 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.399 I see love it. But I've heard tell me if 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:32.320 I'm wrong. I've heard that that was a tough set 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:37.640 because they were so big and coming on for an 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:40.439 episode or two was tough. How did you find that? 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:45.000 You know, I found it incredibly easy. Actually, we shot 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:48.720 on location. I read for Jerry And. 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:50.160 Did you know Jerry before? 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:52.840 No, No, no, I didn't. I didn't even know Ray before. 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:58.040 Oh okay, but no, Ray, yeah, yeah, and we heard 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.760 when I was up for his brother. You know, Ray 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:05.720 was like, not the guy from Star Search. And you know, honestly, 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:08.439 you know I get it because you know, I'm on 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:12.360 Star Search going you know, what if Cosby was a pilot, 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.679 you know, give me this stuff. You know, obviously before 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:20.000 the yeah right, obviously before he found out he really 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:23.760 wasn't a pilot. Now, yeah, so I was doing stuff 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.680 like that. You know that scared a lot of comics. 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:30.200 It scared me, but you know I needed the money. 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:34.639 So you know, My point is, it's you know, I 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:38.680 had to find my way physically and really every other way. 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:44.000 I wasn't the character they were looking for for Ray's brother, 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:46.919 you know, because Ra's brother, really, you know, was an 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:50.480 NYPD cop under cover. They kind of wanted like a 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:58.119 Danny DeVito type of scrappy, smaller guy that wasn't intimidating 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:01.480 to Ray because the line everybody loves Raymond is what 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.120 his cop brother said in real life to him when 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:07.200 Ray won the Ace Award. You know, he came home 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.920 and he looked at the award and he said that line. 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:11.320 When did he get this? 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:16.320 Oh, that's an award your brother got for his sports column. 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:24.879 Never ends for Raymond, Robbie, Everybody loves Raymond. I go 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:28.440 to work, people shoot at me. Why goes to work? 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:32.119 People do the wave? When he sits down, has a 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:34.920 hot dog, doodles on a piece of paper, they gimme 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:39.440 a trophy. So I knew the writing was so great 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:41.520 when I read the pilot, and I had trouble getting 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.760 in because they didn't see me as and I got that, 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:46.919 but I said, just let me read. I have a 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:49.639 different take of this guy, and it was, you know, 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:54.439 I had to go against my size by not playing 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:56.959 him too e or I mean like from year one 0:20:57.000 --> 0:20:59.359 a year two. I had to bump it up a 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:03.359 bit because and you know, pivot a little because it 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:06.639 was able two beaten where you're two. You know, it 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:09.040 was like it was like, you know, he's got to 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:12.600 be a contender. It's he's a contender, you know. Yeah, 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:15.800 we didn't find him at a carnival, you know, rightful 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:18.800 way of putting things. So as an actor, I use 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:22.520 the thing is like in my head, I was raised 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:26.080 an only child, and they forgot to tell Robert. So 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:28.119 this is something I tried to carry. 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:30.800 You know, it's so great. How'd you come up with that? 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:33.119 It was just, you know, I knew I had to 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:39.280 find something a fine line of I haven't given up 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:41.960 in life, I've given up on them. 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:44.240 Yeah, okay, right, yeah. 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:47.040 So I was able to celebrate even the small things 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:49.800 that happened. And then later in the show, I discovered, wait, 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.359 I have something that none of the men in this 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:56.240 family have. My freedom. That was before I got married 0:21:56.680 --> 0:22:01.159 to the wonderful Monica. So but before for that, I 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:03.919 had that freedom. And the way the writers wrote it 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:06.720 is that was something that filled and Ray envied my 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:10.040 social life, me being able to come home when I want, 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:13.119 eat dinner when I want. So they found that nugget 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:14.840 to keep me on life support. 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:22.240 You know, yeah, I get it. I want to talk 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:28.560 about a movie. I absolutely adore music and lyrics. Oh 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:30.000 really love it? 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:35.080 Do you have cable? Oh no, I had, I had 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:37.760 a lot of That was a fun movie. 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:41.639 I mean it's got such great heart. I love the music. 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:43.080 Yeah, it was a ball. 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:46.960 It looked fun like first Drew and and Hugh just 0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:51.400 look fun amazing. Yeah, and you play an agent of 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:56.800 this like aging sort of wham, like the artist just 0:22:56.880 --> 0:23:00.720 like struggling to get him on like county fairs exactly. Well, 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:05.080 it's just so great. I hope other people have seen it, 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:07.000 and if they haven't, go see it because it's just 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:08.960 a great movie. It looked like a lot of fun. 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:10.879 It was a fun one. When they used to do 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:11.840 those rom coms. 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:14.320 I don't know what happened, Yeah, yeah, don't know what. 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:16.600 Happened to that. You know, I think they can do 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:19.560 it now, and even you know, they can keep the 0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:22.800 edge that they want to do now. So many of 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:25.560 the of the feature comedies are just they're not out there, 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:28.720 which is just too bad. Hopefully that'll come around. 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:32.639 I agree, there's nothing wrong with a great rom com. 0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:35.359 We all love them, even if we're embarrassed to admit it. 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:36.920 We all love a great rom com. 0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:38.800 I think so. I think so. 0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:42.840 It's such a great antidote everything else that's going on. 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:47.119 Yeah it is. Well, are you going to quit the 0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:50.720 news and maybe do maybe a cooking show? 0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:51.639 See? 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:53.439 Now, have you thought of it? 0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:54.760 I would love to quit the news. 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:58.119 What a time to be doing what you're doing, and 0:23:58.160 --> 0:23:59.879 you do it so great. 0:24:00.000 --> 0:24:04.719 It's really hard, and as we'll discuss, it's not been 0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:10.040 great for my mental health. Okay, okay, but we'll get 0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:23.240 to that. We'll get to that. Are you big into music? 0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:24.320 You like music? 0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:25.040 I am? 0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:26.280 Yeah. 0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:28.439 You know. My thing is, you know, I love the 0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:31.439 old stuff. I love some of the new stuff. But 0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:34.399 you know, I was raised on R and B, and 0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:38.720 my dad turned me onto soul music and motown. And 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:42.960 he was a big white guy from the Bronx and 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:45.960 he just had a great, great taste in music and 0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:49.399 he so, so I kind of like that genre. But 0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:52.720 you know, I went to see Pearl Jam a few 0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:55.200 months ago, and I you know, I love Dave Matthews, 0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:58.639 and and I wish Neil Diamond would come back, and 0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:02.359 and you know, it's I'm all over the place I was. 0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:04.200 You know, I love Tony Bennett. 0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:06.280 Are you a fan of Elo? 0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:09.800 You know it's interesting to say that. 0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:11.359 I think you know why I'm asking? 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:16.800 Are they there? Oh? Okay, you know it's it's funny. 0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:20.080 I didn't it's it was. It was. 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:23.159 You can say no, but our listeners should know you 0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:25.959 were on an album. You are on the back of 0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:28.920 an Elo album Discovery from nineteen seventy ninety three. 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:30.760 Isn't that crazy? I was? 0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:34.320 Yeah, yeah, how did that happen? How'd that come to be? 0:25:34.600 --> 0:25:36.879 I'll tell you how it came to be. It was 0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:41.040 nineteen seventy eight and I was doing stand up for 0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:44.840 twenty minutes. This is how different the time. And I 0:25:44.920 --> 0:25:48.800 needed an agent, and like a wacko, I walked up 0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:53.600 and down Sunset with my composite eight by ten. One. 0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:57.520 I'm holding a briefcase because everyone, you know, wants to 0:25:57.560 --> 0:26:05.240 cast a giant Jewish accountant. One. I'm hitch hiking, Oh yeah, 0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:08.000 oh yeah, hitch hiking on the road with my shirt 0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:12.520 open and my book hanging out like I'm like, I'm 0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:16.440 about to break my water. I will send it to you, 0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:19.200 you know. And I'm walking up and down and I'm 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:23.800 literally going into agencies. There were no security, there were 0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:27.200 no double locked doors. And I walked into the Beverly 0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:32.600 Hecked agency on sunset and I would do stick, you know. 0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:35.960 I would go up to receptionists and I would go, 0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:39.920 what if Cosby was a pilot and she she would 0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:42.960 press the red button under the desk and the police 0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:46.320 would come. But literally I would walk in. You know. 0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:49.680 It's just I was out. I wanted it so bad. 0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:53.040 So I'm in a Beverly h Heck was in those days, 0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:56.119 in the early eighties, late seventies. She was kind of 0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:59.199 in the middle. She had a little boutique agency. And 0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:03.399 I walk in and I'm doing you know, I have 0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:06.880 a voice like fog horn, leghorn, you know, so everywhere, 0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:09.440 so I hear someone yell from a closed door. 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:12.680 Who the hell is so freaking loud out there? 0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:15.840 And that was Betterly And the receptionist his name was 0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:18.840 Doug Warner, and he became a manager, and he was 0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:21.080 twenty one at the time, and he said, I'm working 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:23.000 on it. I'm getting him out. And I opened the 0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:27.040 door like a Waco and she's with the graphic artists 0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:31.520 and the label from the Elo new album and they're 0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:34.520 at that table and they were looking. In those days, 0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:39.200 you couldn't say get me a giant Arab. You couldn't 0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:44.840 or Abdul as your friend calls him. So I opened 0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:47.920 the door and they go, who's that? And I went 0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:53.600 to Cosby as a pilot. I'm really beating that to death. 0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:59.080 I'm so sorry, and they said, hey, you know, and 0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:02.159 of course I I was very far from a model, 0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:04.680 but as you could see, the shot is really back 0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:07.879 and they put me into turban like, you know, have 0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:11.440 you ever held the machete? And I was like, of course, 0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:15.120 you know. I mean I was a latch key kid 0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:19.639 in you know, in the suburbs, and believe it or not, 0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:24.040 that is a crazy story and that's that's how it happened. 0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:26.639 And I was on the back of it and there 0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:30.919 was a huge poster on on Sunset and uh, you know, 0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:34.359 I was a giant Arab, you know, holding you know, 0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:36.520 next to a lamp with a genie coming out. 0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:38.520 Oh, I know it. Yeah, I love Elo. I'm getting 0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:41.240 the sense you're not an Eelo fan, not not really 0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:42.480 I nor. 0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:45.920 Did the photo shoot help me with the ladies? It is, 0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:48.560 you know, more and more lonely years and a lot 0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:49.000 of banking. 0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:54.920 Well, I just love that little that little fact about 0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:57.720 you in front of you. Okay, so you will never 0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:02.320 guess where I had my first job. I promise you'll 0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:12.280 never guess Vose art gallery. No, yeah, so tell me 0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:14.120 the story I. 0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:19.800 Should have gone in earlier. When were you there? 0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:25.040 This would have been nineteen ninety seven. I was home 0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:27.080 from college and I wanted I was an art history 0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:31.480 major at Cornell. I wanted a summer job. I worked 0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:34.320 there sort of like cataloging. 0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:37.160 I do believe this, I know. 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:40.040 I couldn't when I saw this. I couldn't believe it either, 0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:42.880 because I don't know if you know this. That gallery 0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:46.480 is never visited, like it's always empty. We would get 0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:48.000 maybe a visitor a day. 0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:49.600 Ye you know. 0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:54.480 It's the Family Owed Gallery. It's the oldest art gallery 0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:57.040 in the country, but it's very small, precious. It's on 0:29:57.120 --> 0:30:02.720 Newberry Street. It's beautiful, but it's it's not like heavily trafficked. Yeah, 0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:04.400 so how did you meet your wife there? 0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:09.360 Oh? Gosh, it's I love art and I was I 0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:12.520 was on a layover from doing a comedy tour in 0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:16.480 in Boston. And I was on my way to the tents, 0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:20.360 you know, the melody tents right out like in Cohasset, Massachusetts, 0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:23.280 and and I was I was working with Joan Rivers 0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:27.160 that week, one of my heroes. And I was walking 0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:29.960 around and I really like art, and I'm not that 0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:34.600 much into American folk art. I like the ones, you know, 0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:37.600 the big woman eating fruit. That's kind of I think, 0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:42.120 whatever whatever category that would be. And so I walked in, 0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:46.720 and you know, she's quite a bit younger, and I said, 0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:52.920 is your daddy here? And uh? And I started walking in, 0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:55.160 you know, doing my ridiculous stick. 0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:57.360 So she works there, she was. 0:30:57.240 --> 0:31:00.480 She was working there, she was, yes, I'm sorry, okay, 0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:04.160 the facts. And she was working there, and you know, 0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:06.080 I was hacking it up. You know. There was like 0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:10.440 an original a picture, a painting, a portrait of George Washington, 0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:14.960 you know, and I like, I love Barbara Bush, really hacky, 0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:17.720 hacky ship, you know, stuff for she. 0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:20.400 And did she know who you were? 0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:25.480 Oh no, she did not. 0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:27.240 She thought I was Kramer. 0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:29.400 Stop it, are you serious? 0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:29.880 Do you know? 0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:33.080 I want to show you this right now? No, have 0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:35.760 you ever been mistaken for Michael Richards. 0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:39.320 Yesterday? Yes? 0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:41.560 Okay, con continue, continue this. 0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:46.120 This is amazing and uh so uh that So I 0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:48.160 played it. I played it like I was because it 0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:51.920 was a much bigger show. I'm not gonna lie. I'm 0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:57.240 so I'm so lonely, see so lonely, you know, Yes, 0:31:57.600 --> 0:31:59.920 you know, I went. 0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:02.400 I went right into it the door. 0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:07.320 And so, you know, we talked a little bit, and 0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:13.280 you know, it all felt and sounded cliche because you know, 0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:16.600 I'm the older guy and she's young and lovely and 0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:19.440 there's a brain. And I was like, I have no shot, 0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:24.040 and she went, you're absolutely right, you know. So I left. 0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:26.680 I took a brochure and I said, maybe I'll buy 0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:30.360 the milk can next to the lavender. And I went 0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:32.960 up the street. And I was going through a little 0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:37.320 bit of a of a head case at the time 0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:41.560 in my life with relationships and you know, just got 0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:46.120 out of a divorce and really struggling emotionally. You know, 0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:50.120 never wanted to repeat how I grew up and and 0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:52.240 I you know, I fell into it. That's okay. So 0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:54.520 I was going. So I went up the street and 0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:59.160 I bought this other big portrait that is really when 0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:02.480 I look at it now, it's really oddly depressing. It's 0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:07.520 a woman lying in bed, not naked but covered and 0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:11.719 her she's it's not a great position where you know 0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:17.560 she's either blissfully aware or she's odeed. 0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:19.480 Okay, I can't. 0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:23.320 Because the eyes, you know, one eye is a little 0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:27.160 it's a little sammy, you know, it's a little like that. 0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:30.320 And she's holding a communion wafer. 0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:31.160 Oh. 0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:31.920 Interesting. 0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:35.760 Then there's a glass of wine next to her. So 0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:38.760 it's all the things that put my issue with women, 0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:44.280 how I don't believe, I don't like religion, and how 0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:49.200 I've stopped drinking. It was all in one picture. So 0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:52.720 instead of buying you know, the Confederate flag with a 0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:56.280 guy with no teeth holding it at vose, I buy 0:33:56.400 --> 0:34:00.960 the uh, you know, my demise, and and it hung 0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:03.520 in the in the club forever, and you know people 0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:06.440 would go, God, what, that's such a donner, and he's like, 0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:09.560 he bought that the day we met. Yeah, yeah, that's 0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:11.200 what I got to put in a time out and 0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:15.960 back in the ball pit. But we met, and you know, 0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:18.399 we were both kind of you know, in a relationship 0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:22.560 at the time, and you know, we we just kind 0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:27.239 of we we were texting. It wasn't right, but it 0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:31.239 had to be. And here we are, almost sixteen and 0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:32.200 a half years later. 0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:33.360 Believe or not. 0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:39.120 She just got her driver's license. But she's forty, you know, 0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:43.080 but I'm sixty four. So it's you know, it's but 0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:45.960 it works. I mean, it's what I you know, I 0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:48.280 had ten minutes of material about it in the beginning, 0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:52.399 which was my way of dealing with my uncomfortableness about it. 0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:56.839 But she's got an incredible sense of humor, and I've 0:34:56.920 --> 0:35:03.839 never felt more comfortable in my life. You know, if 0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:06.520 it was ten years earlier, she would have put up 0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:09.680 with my shit for five minutes. And there was still 0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:14.239 stuff that she helped me get through and deal with, 0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:19.600 not by holding up a mirror, but by you know, 0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:21.160 holding my hand through some of it. 0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:21.919 Yeah. 0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:24.280 I went through a lot of loss when I started 0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:26.840 dating her. I lost my brother, my best friend, and 0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:32.440 my father within like a two year period, just out 0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:34.680 of the blue. And then I lost my other brother, 0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:40.520 and then my best friend's wife passed ironically, And I 0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:44.719 have seven incredible god children in my life that live 0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:47.279 in Vegas and helped me at the club and work 0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:49.600 at the club. So it's been a full circle. But 0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:52.759 it was just a real ship storm, you know when 0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:55.720 I had met her, and it was one that wasn't 0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:58.680 created by my doing like it was in the past. 0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:01.560 Yeah, that I was just like, wow. 0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:03.960 You know, this is tough stuff to get through. Luckily, 0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:08.399 I'm not using because so many people need me and 0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:13.719 I need me, and you know we're very different and 0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:16.480 scary similar as well. 0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:19.200 Yeah, but I got very lucky. 0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:22.480 It's definitely, you know, I'm way way out of my league. 0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:24.960 And I told her, I say, I tell her all 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:28.520 the time, and this is comforting. I say, when I 0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:31.879 pass on and I go to the big casino in the. 0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:34.040 Sky, because that's how I think is up there. 0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:36.480 I always say, you'll have your whole life ahead of you, 0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:40.640 which is great. You'll be able to, you know, find 0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:44.440 some when you really want, and you'll have a little money. 0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:49.360 So I've also interviewed for this podcast Kelly Rizzo Okay. 0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:54.360 She was she is the widow of Bob Saggatt okay, 0:36:54.719 --> 0:37:01.000 and they were several decades apart. Yeah, and it was 0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:03.560 something apparently he talked to her a lot about like 0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:06.600 I'm gonna you know, you're going to be single at 0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:08.920 some point, Yeah, because I'm so much older. 0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:09.839 Yeah, I want you. 0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:12.160 To prepare for that. She didn't realize she'd have to 0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:15.400 prepare for that, like's years into her marriage. 0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:19.560 Yeah, such a wonderful guy. Yeah, And I talk about 0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:21.920 it a little too much, and I think it's a 0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:25.319 downer for her. You know, I said, I'm not going 0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:29.520 to be here forever, and then she leaves the room. 0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:32.480 I check out where she is on my phone. She's 0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:36.879 at party City. So I think a lot. I think 0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:39.320 a lot of it is really is really perception. 0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:40.200 She's planning. 0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:42.920 Yeah. Yeah, but it's like, you know, it's like I 0:37:42.960 --> 0:37:45.359 want to talk about it. You know, it's weird. It's 0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:48.840 like when you find someone that you love so much 0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:52.960 that you've never been that that you know, having that. 0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:55.719 I don't know what it is, and I don't want 0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:58.319 to overanalyze it, but it's like you always you know, 0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:02.799 it's like your children, you want them, Okay, that's all. Yeah, 0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:04.400 that's all you care about. 0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:07.920 Yeah, And you know, I talked. 0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:09.760 About it a lot, you know, before we got married. 0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:12.480 I'm like, you know, you have to understand, you know, 0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:15.920 you're going to have to reintroduce yourself to me every 0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:21.200 week eventually, you know, because it's it's not pretty, you know, 0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:24.720 it is it and I'm you know, and I'm. 0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:26.239 Well, I love the story of how you met. I 0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:26.560 love it. 0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:28.720 She will not believe this about VOS. 0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:32.160 I couldn't believe it. I've never met anyone who even 0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:32.960 knows that place. 0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:36.520 That's so amazing. It makes it even more special. Were 0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:39.319 you fired for stealing or what? 0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:39.840 No? 0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:41.480 No, I went back to school. I grew up in 0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:44.799 andover Massachusetts. I grew up dancing at Boston Bala, so 0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:47.719 I was in the city all the time, and I 0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:50.239 thought that's where I'll just get my summer job. And 0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:53.400 then I went back and I was just back at VOS. 0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:56.480 I had a birthday in February, and I brought my 0:38:56.600 --> 0:39:01.160 husband and my two best friends my son Gunkles to 0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:04.440 Vose just to show them, like, really these were. 0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:06.880 It's a cool little street and a cool little building. 0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:08.080 It is. 0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:14.520 I love that story. 0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:24.359 How were you? 0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:28.440 Yeah, let's get into it. Let's get into mental health. 0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:32.640 I'm better. I had a break down, a nervous breakdown 0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:37.319 in twenty twenty one, and did not know I had 0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:42.680 been living with severe anxiety, okay, for about twenty years, 0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:47.759 compounded by the news, compounded by my job and politics. 0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:51.279 But really, I mean I had always been very anxious, 0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:54.840 and then when I had my son, it went to 0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:57.839 eleven and I didn't know that I was doing this, 0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:03.120 but I was catastrophizing on a loop all day long 0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:06.160 about the worst thing that's going to happen. It's going 0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:09.000 to happen, and I would vividly see it in my head, 0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:11.840 and it would always involve my son, something awful happening 0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:14.120 to my son. And it got to the point where 0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:17.680 I felt like, if I do it, that will prevent it. 0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:21.200 If I don't do this ritual, it's going to happen. 0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:26.160 So my anxiety was keeping me safe, I thought, but 0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:28.680 obviously it wasn't and it wasn't rational, and it was 0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:33.520 actually really really unhealthy. So when I had this breakdown, 0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:37.000 it was like my body said, stop doing this to me, 0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:40.800 stop doing this to us. And then I got therapy 0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:43.600 and I went on medication, and so I've only been 0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:49.000 learning about what I was doing for about four years, 0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:54.040 and I am better, but I still struggle. I'm always 0:40:54.120 --> 0:40:57.279 going to struggle with anxiety. And sometimes when I think 0:40:57.360 --> 0:41:00.880 I'm great, it'll come back and be like, Hi, you 0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:05.000 haven't beaten me. You can't beat me. So it's hard. 0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:10.120 It's hard, and the news doesn't help. Yeah, yeah, because 0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:13.440 this is the other thing someone would tell me, you know, 0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:18.160 the odds of like something awful happening in this way 0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:20.360 are really low, and I'd say, really, I just covered 0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:24.000 four of them, like sure, you know, so I had 0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:28.440 this other effect of thinking there were only bad things 0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:29.200 because that's all I. 0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:33.279 Cover, Yeah, exactly, which is. 0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:36.120 So messed up. And you know, obviously had had a 0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:38.880 big effect on my brain, and my brain feels a 0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:42.399 little broken now. But this is why I talk about 0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:45.560 it because I wish, I wish I knew what I 0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:48.640 had been doing, and I wish someone had given it 0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:55.040 language that would have alerted me to get help earlier, 0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:57.799 because twenty years in it's really hard to unlearn some 0:41:57.880 --> 0:41:58.600 of these habits. 0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:03.759 Now, did you you know I never heard that turn catastrophizing. Yeah, 0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:07.280 so God, that like rang a bell for me, because 0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:12.759 I've done a ton of that, and my anxiety, you know, 0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:16.719 quadrupled when I became a father, and that's all I 0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:21.720 really ever wanted, And boy, I could, I mean it's. 0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:24.239 Just I can you know you know what I'm talking 0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:25.000 about you for? 0:42:25.560 --> 0:42:27.480 Did you have a lot of that? You must have 0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:30.440 had it as a kid, right, I did. Were you 0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:31.240 with the ballet? 0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:35.360 Yeah, I was at Boston Ballet. Ballet was tough because 0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:37.200 it wasn't like the fun dancing where you wear the 0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:40.279 costumes and like. It was really really tough. But I 0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:43.319 also moved a lot, and I was constantly waiting for 0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:46.919 a change. What's going to happen to disrupt the stability 0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:50.000 of my life in the moment? Yea, my parents have 0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:53.840 gotten divorced remarried. I moved like eight or nine times 0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:57.920 as a kid, so I was always the new kid, introducing, auditioning, 0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:00.440 becoming whoever they needed me to be. But I was 0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:05.400 also on tenderhooks all the time. What's coming next? 0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:07.839 Oh my honey? Wow? 0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:08.400 Yeah. 0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:09.560 So, but. 0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:14.960 I thought all of this was normal, Like imagining some 0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:20.080 driving my car, right, and I'm driving next to train 0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:22.480 tracks and I'm thinking, Okay, if a train comes and 0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:26.640 derails and comes into the road, what would I do? 0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:30.319 These are absurd things to think about. But if my 0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:34.360 brain isn't doing that, I would think I'm gonna be 0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:38.480 surprised by something awful, and at least I can avoid 0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:39.759 the surprise part of it. 0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:41.520 So you can't win. 0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:48.040 You can win where exactly constant. It was constant at 0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:52.400 its worst, it was twenty four seven. I'd go to 0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:56.120 bed doing it and wake up doing it, and then 0:43:56.160 --> 0:43:58.359 I would do these rituals, like where I'd have to 0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:00.839 to be able to send my kid to school, which 0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:04.000 is down the street he walks. Yeah, I'd have to 0:44:04.000 --> 0:44:05.640 look him in the eyes. I'd have to make sure 0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:07.600 we had eye contact. I'd have to say I love 0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:10.560 you to him. He'd have to look right, like good 0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:13.479 enough for me to feel okay. If something was off, 0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:14.480 I'd have to do it again. 0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:15.600 Okay. 0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:19.680 So there's some like compulsions that were created out of 0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:20.840 this anxiety as well. 0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:25.479 Yeah, a little bit, a little bit. Yeah, yeah, boy, 0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:28.719 that's tough. Does any of that stem from not ever 0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:32.480 feeling good enough or the anxiety that you were You know, 0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:36.520 sometimes the dysfunction we're raised with is our comfort zone. 0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:40.200 Yes, and that's all we know. And my therapist, I 0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:42.640 have great parents, but my therapist is like, just because 0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:45.880 we're talking about some of the traumas of your childhood 0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:47.879 doesn't make them bad parents, like because that was hard 0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:50.960 for me exactly. I didn't want to think of them 0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:53.560 that way. But listen, they weren't perfect and I went 0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:56.759 through some stuff. Yeah, of course, and it's important to 0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:58.839 look back at that. That's why therapy is so great 0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:01.239 because I never would have told told you that I 0:45:01.280 --> 0:45:05.919 was doing anything based on my childhood. And of course 0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:06.279 I am. 0:45:06.400 --> 0:45:08.960 We all are, well, well, we all are. But you know, 0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:11.759 it's always that thing. Is that nature or nurture? You know? 0:45:11.920 --> 0:45:16.080 How much is chemical? How much of it is my wiring? Yes, 0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:20.880 and it's I think sometimes it's both or one is 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:23.960 greater than the other. I mean, you know, I had 0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:31.480 a lot of love from parents that despised themselves. 0:45:32.080 --> 0:45:32.520 Yeah. 0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:37.840 Yeah, so what kind of love is it? You know? 0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:40.160 Yeah, but it's. 0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:42.560 Far greater than a lot of people, I know, you know, 0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:45.080 and not near the trauma that you hear about her 0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:48.560 or anything like that. But it's different when you're taught 0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:53.600 how to love by people that don't love themselves, because 0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:58.200 it's very superficial. It's given, you know, in ways that 0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:03.600 may not be the healthiest because they're not in that spot, 0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:07.680 you know. But once I became a parent, and you 0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:11.120 know I was a helicopter parent trying to make up 0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:15.560 for all the stuff that I felt, you know, wasn't 0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:20.440 done correctly. And I you know a lot of my 0:46:20.600 --> 0:46:25.080 parenting was grounded in fear, you know, and I so 0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:26.080 relate to that. 0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:30.480 And so what do you do? What do you do 0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:32.280 about about your anxiety? 0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:37.640 Well, you know a lot of my anxiety is depression fueled. 0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:38.239 OK. 0:46:39.280 --> 0:46:41.880 So I'm on meds for depression that I've been on 0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:45.279 for a long long time that have helped immensely. That 0:46:45.400 --> 0:46:48.520 I didn't get on until after I had stopped using, 0:46:48.719 --> 0:46:51.919 which is twenty seven years. And it wouldn't have worked 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:55.040 anyway if I was using and on the meds that 0:46:55.239 --> 0:46:58.160 doesn't work even though people think it does, it doesn't 0:46:58.520 --> 0:47:03.520 as well as it could. And I know it sounds corny, 0:47:03.560 --> 0:47:07.520 but I had to get to a place of trust 0:47:07.880 --> 0:47:12.240 within our little village. You know. It's like I can't 0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:15.400 explain the world to my kids. I know you can't. 0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:19.439 There's no explanation. It's so out of control. But I 0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:25.040 know my anxiety will just hinder them from dealing with 0:47:25.120 --> 0:47:28.839 it better than I am, right, and I'm honest about it, 0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:32.040 and I'm really out about my emotions, you know, and 0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:35.840 I was my whole time with my kids. I think 0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:39.240 the honesty of when I was struggling or I wish 0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:42.279 I could do better, or it's important they see a 0:47:42.360 --> 0:47:47.359 parent fail. Yes, they see a parent have to start over. 0:47:47.520 --> 0:47:51.160 It's like what I always say. I always wish that 0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:54.760 my kids could have seen me in the days where 0:47:54.840 --> 0:48:00.560 I struggled artistically or career wise, wherever I saw, you know, 0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:05.480 I was I. You know, I didn't always have this house. 0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:10.640 I didn't know things. I started out in apartments much 0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:14.120 smaller than yours. And I wish they could have seen that, 0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:17.360 just to get a better idea of what life is 0:48:17.400 --> 0:48:25.000 really about. So you know, anxiety runs through this family. Yeah, 0:48:25.040 --> 0:48:28.799 a lot of it is I really believe wiring and 0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:35.360 chemical and hereditary and uh you know they were raised 0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:39.680 by two parents that that both had anxiety too. There 0:48:39.719 --> 0:48:43.080 was a little cleanup I think where that's where that's concerned. 0:48:43.120 --> 0:48:47.160 And and I try to you know, try to be 0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:50.000 you know better at it's it's it's funny how a 0:48:50.120 --> 0:48:53.320 lease in my case and I can tell in your case, 0:48:54.040 --> 0:48:57.080 how children and when you love being that parent and 0:48:57.080 --> 0:48:59.840 not everyone's wired for it, you know, I have buddies 0:48:59.840 --> 0:49:01.880 that I talked to them about parenting. They look at 0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:04.799 me like, you know, I'm from another planet, because not 0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:08.880 everyone's wired that way. Yeah, this is really what you want. 0:49:08.920 --> 0:49:13.920 But look how it's made us really deal with our 0:49:13.960 --> 0:49:17.239 own crap that we've had for so long because we 0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:19.560 don't want to pass it on because they. 0:49:19.480 --> 0:49:22.800 Don't totally, you know, and it's it's still a stroke totally. 0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:25.320 It's why I'm doing the work. 0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:26.880 So clud of that you can do this because you know, 0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:30.239 you're so admired, you're so looked up to. You're such 0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:32.960 a force in journalism, and a lot of it is 0:49:33.400 --> 0:49:36.400 what you bring to it. I love that you that 0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:40.560 you you're really your own voice in what you have 0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:42.320 to say, and there are things you have been said 0:49:42.600 --> 0:49:45.759 that you have said, what I've watched you. That's that's 0:49:45.800 --> 0:49:48.239 made me go wow, okay, yeah, and you know I 0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:51.160 didn't look at that before, and I really just in 0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:51.839 what you do. 0:49:51.960 --> 0:49:53.239 So thank you. 0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:55.640 Just you know, I admire that and we need people 0:49:55.680 --> 0:49:58.839 like you talking about stuff like this. Thank you because 0:49:58.880 --> 0:49:59.920 we always feel alone. 0:50:00.760 --> 0:50:04.120 I know, and I did too, because I'd always looked 0:50:04.160 --> 0:50:07.440 at my colleagues at the news and thought how are 0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:10.200 they doing that? How are they so healthy? And I 0:50:10.239 --> 0:50:14.520 thought maybe they're not. They're I don't know what they're right. 0:50:14.800 --> 0:50:16.880 Yeah, and I'm going to tell you who's really sick 0:50:17.200 --> 0:50:21.160 over coming? No, no, but I mean, I mean yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:50:21.320 --> 0:50:24.759 But that's what anxiety and depression does. It wants us 0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:25.799 to fill alone. Yeah. 0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:27.040 It's a liar and it lies to you. 0:50:27.400 --> 0:50:31.960 Yeah, it's like I would beg my parents. Let's try help, 0:50:32.520 --> 0:50:34.680 Let's try this. If you don't like it, you don't 0:50:34.719 --> 0:50:38.160 have to do it. But when the depression and the 0:50:38.200 --> 0:50:43.120 bipolarity and the shame and the guilt, the more infesters, 0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:48.640 it makes your decisions for you. You have no voice, 0:50:48.640 --> 0:50:52.720 and depression is like sleep another forty hours, you'll be fine. 0:50:53.320 --> 0:50:55.439 You now pick up that drink or that thing. 0:50:55.560 --> 0:50:56.240 What's the big? 0:50:56.480 --> 0:50:59.000 What is there to be clear about? You don't need clarity, 0:50:59.280 --> 0:51:02.920 so it's right. The longer you wait, the more it 0:51:03.160 --> 0:51:06.279 just becomes your being, you know, it's that alien thing. 0:51:06.480 --> 0:51:10.120 Totally. Well, I'm really I'm glad we had this talk 0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:14.719 and me too. Yeah, I really did really enjoyed this. 0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:18.880 I have a quick lightning round to end on a 0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:19.880 lighter note. 0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:21.560 Okay, it's not math is it. 0:51:21.800 --> 0:51:22.399 There's no math. 0:51:22.719 --> 0:51:23.879 Okay, there's no math. 0:51:29.840 --> 0:51:34.280 Who are people at the Bible? Okay? I should probably 0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:35.080 wait for the question. 0:51:36.360 --> 0:51:38.319 Well, first was have you ever been compared to or 0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:41.239 mistaken for Michael Richards? And you answered that yes? 0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:43.239 Yes. 0:51:43.600 --> 0:51:47.160 The second is Matt Rife or Nate BARGHETSI. 0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:50.200 Boy, this is tough because I hate to ever that 0:51:50.600 --> 0:51:52.600 I'm not that familiar with Matt. 0:51:53.200 --> 0:51:57.560 Okay, he's not for you, he's for like young women. 0:51:58.680 --> 0:52:04.359 Oh you don't mean to like live with I thought 0:52:04.360 --> 0:52:08.799 we were. Boy, this is tough. I have to say 0:52:08.800 --> 0:52:11.040 I'm not that familiar with with Matt, though I know 0:52:11.200 --> 0:52:12.879 the kid's on fire, and I know. 0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:14.120 He's he does crowd work. 0:52:14.120 --> 0:52:15.080 That's his things, A. 0:52:14.960 --> 0:52:18.960 Lot of crowd work. Yeah, more sit ups than me 0:52:19.600 --> 0:52:20.080 for sure. 0:52:20.400 --> 0:52:20.520 Ye. 0:52:21.360 --> 0:52:25.960 Cute, but uh, you know, I mean I don't know 0:52:26.560 --> 0:52:29.480 Nate's You know, Nate's a very very special talent. 0:52:30.239 --> 0:52:33.160 He is, right, I really like his his stuff. 0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:36.160 Yeah, yeah, it's just is he nice? 0:52:37.120 --> 0:52:39.920 I've only met him once? Okay, And the only thing 0:52:39.960 --> 0:52:42.720 he said, ish could you please pull my car around? 0:52:43.880 --> 0:52:47.839 I was I wasn't dressed great. I only met him once, 0:52:47.960 --> 0:52:51.480 super kind, super nice and everyone seems to like you. 0:52:51.600 --> 0:52:54.000 I'm happy and I'm happy for Matt and these. You know, 0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:55.279 I know how tough it is. 0:52:55.600 --> 0:52:56.759 Yeah, yeah, you know. 0:52:56.719 --> 0:53:00.560 So anyone that's doing it, I uh, you know, kudos. 0:53:00.880 --> 0:53:04.160 Yeah, Albert Brooks or Billy Crystal. 0:53:04.800 --> 0:53:06.160 Oh boy, that's brutal. 0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:07.880 I know, I know it is. 0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:10.879 I love the boy. These are tough. Quick go back 0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:17.440 to rife. Boy, Well, I would say, Billy God, I 0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:19.520 don't know. They both had such an influence on me. 0:53:19.880 --> 0:53:22.000 You know, these are guys that coming up I would 0:53:22.000 --> 0:53:24.200 see and I you know, I'd want to put my 0:53:24.239 --> 0:53:24.919 head in the oven. 0:53:25.600 --> 0:53:27.760 Yeah, you know, because they're just like, well. 0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:30.760 Why am I doing this? Boy? Can I say a tie? 0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:34.120 You can't. It's intentionally hard. I love them both too. 0:53:34.680 --> 0:53:37.919 I'm a big Albert Brooks fan, but but Billy too. 0:53:38.280 --> 0:53:42.480 Yeah, no question. His documentary of Brooks wasn't that great? 0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:47.879 Defending My Life? Oh my god? Oh so good? Yeah, 0:53:48.080 --> 0:53:52.399 and so rich with little details and the rhiners and. 0:53:52.360 --> 0:53:54.520 Oh my god, so good, so amazing. 0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:57.520 Everyone should go, that's a tie for me, I get it. 0:53:59.040 --> 0:54:01.600 Roast or stand up special. 0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:07.960 Boy, You're you're really hitting my insecurity. I love that, 0:54:08.280 --> 0:54:16.279 uh for me or for other things for you for you, well, 0:54:16.880 --> 0:54:19.640 I don't. I don't think I should do either. No, 0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:23.680 nor should I be involved in either. You're a yeah, 0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:25.960 I know, you know my you know, my thing was 0:54:26.040 --> 0:54:28.480 just to have a talk show and just sit down 0:54:28.480 --> 0:54:32.279 with people and kidd its and into it and just 0:54:32.440 --> 0:54:35.239 you know, like like like a hundred years ago, I 0:54:36.200 --> 0:54:39.120 stood in for Rick Dy's I don't know that that 0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:42.000 had a little in the nineties, a little talk show 0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:44.520 and uh and it took a week off and I 0:54:44.960 --> 0:54:47.279 went in and I was you know, I pushed a lot, 0:54:47.360 --> 0:54:50.520 and I was much too, you know, because I was 0:54:50.719 --> 0:54:54.760 so desperate to land that that would have done it differently. 0:54:54.800 --> 0:54:57.560 But my thing is just to get out with real people. 0:54:57.600 --> 0:54:59.880 And so I guess I guess the roast and then 0:55:00.040 --> 0:55:02.520 I was on one of the roasts. But I you know, 0:55:02.560 --> 0:55:04.840 I didn't love what I did and it wasn't that great. 0:55:05.480 --> 0:55:08.319 But and a special you know, it's got to be 0:55:08.480 --> 0:55:11.440 I mean, it's it's got to be really I think 0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:15.799 material driven more than that. That's up my strength. You know. 0:55:16.120 --> 0:55:18.040 If I could like walk into a house in the 0:55:18.080 --> 0:55:23.799 Midwest unannounced and just at the like, like my thing 0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:27.600 was having dinner with America. Yeah, just sitting down with 0:55:27.719 --> 0:55:28.560 regular people. 0:55:28.880 --> 0:55:31.759 Yeah, you know, and go and you know, letting that 0:55:31.960 --> 0:55:32.799 would show. 0:55:33.239 --> 0:55:35.239 Yeah, I just wanted to do it. You know, here's 0:55:35.280 --> 0:55:39.200 a here's a nine foot insecured you coming to your. 0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:40.520 Home, what do you announced? 0:55:40.880 --> 0:55:42.680 What do you make? And you just knock on the 0:55:42.719 --> 0:55:47.359 door and you know, you hope they don't hurt you show. Yeah, 0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:49.560 I've always wanted to do something like Yeah, I just 0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:52.120 thought it would be good just to just and I 0:55:52.160 --> 0:55:56.799 mean literally put me, you know in the mix. That's 0:55:57.320 --> 0:56:00.480 that's where I that's where I thrive. You know, I've 0:56:00.560 --> 0:56:03.640 never been a Hollywood person. I've never been the yick guy. 0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:06.799 You know. I've always worked so so hard and loved 0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:09.880 what I do, but always knew my territory and and 0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:12.919 that to me, I mean, if I could just unscripted, 0:56:13.160 --> 0:56:17.320 you know, that's that's my round. You know, roast battles, 0:56:17.360 --> 0:56:21.000 all that stuff. That's that's all great, but it's not this. 0:56:21.960 --> 0:56:24.279 Yeah, you know, I think we need to make this 0:56:24.320 --> 0:56:28.040 show happen. Okay, Brad, Brad Garrett's coming for dinner? 0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:29.880 How about breaking Brad? 0:56:30.280 --> 0:56:33.360 Love? It even better? Even better with Brad? 0:56:35.239 --> 0:56:39.440 What's that smell? It could it could be like, boy, 0:56:39.520 --> 0:56:45.000 I smell you know, I smell meat loathing and sim 0:56:45.480 --> 0:56:53.120 you know, to be allan. You know, can I come in? 0:56:53.880 --> 0:57:00.239 You know, we need to make this show happen. Okay, 0:57:00.280 --> 0:57:03.800 last question, This question is a very important to me culturally. 0:57:04.960 --> 0:57:06.840 When is iced coffee season? 0:57:08.520 --> 0:57:09.480 Iced coffee season? 0:57:09.760 --> 0:57:10.200 Yeah? 0:57:10.480 --> 0:57:12.200 Fucked twenty four seven for me? 0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:15.000 Yes, correct answer? Congratulations? Oh yeah, correct answer. 0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:19.320 Coffee is my last advice And you know, I just 0:57:19.440 --> 0:57:21.440 I just love it perfectly. 0:57:22.280 --> 0:57:27.840 Yeah, anyway, I liked you. Brad Garrett's coming up in 0:57:27.880 --> 0:57:32.040 a new Pixar movie called Elio saying that right, Elliot. 0:57:31.840 --> 0:57:33.080 You said it exactly right. 0:57:33.400 --> 0:57:36.320 He's in the new Jason Rightman SNL film Saturday Night. 0:57:36.400 --> 0:57:38.240 I can't wait to see that. Thank you so much 0:57:38.280 --> 0:57:40.520 for coming on. This was really I loved this. 0:57:41.000 --> 0:57:42.360 Thank you meant a lot to me. 0:57:45.000 --> 0:57:48.280 Next week on Off the Cop, Kelly Rizzo, this guy 0:57:48.920 --> 0:57:51.680 messaged me and was like, hey, Bob Sagat's. 0:57:51.160 --> 0:57:54.280 Gonna send you a DM and I was like, oh why. 0:57:55.000 --> 0:57:57.680 I was just not interested at first, like it was 0:57:57.720 --> 0:58:00.280 not my type, too old, but I was It's like, 0:58:00.360 --> 0:58:01.240 that's just weird. 0:58:03.680 --> 0:58:05.920 Off the Cup is a production of iHeart podcasts as 0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:09.000 part of the Reasoned Choice Network. I'm your host, Si Cupp. 0:58:09.400 --> 0:58:12.560 Editing and sound designed by Derek Clements. Our executive producers 0:58:12.560 --> 0:58:16.040 are me Si Cupp, Lauren Hanson, and Lindsay Hoffman. 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