Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why why and look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that? Yes? Goodness, let's calling. I
Speaker 1: have something to call out. Speaking of calling, let's call
Speaker 1: something out. Okay, back up with us in the studio,
Speaker 1: in a in a you know, really getting his hands
Speaker 1: dirty today is hot producer Joe. It's almost like he's
Speaker 1: been too good for us lately. Now, well the opposite.
Speaker 1: Oh oh no, that's not so. I think what I think.
Speaker 1: What I think the what's been happening lately, listeners is
Speaker 1: that hot producer Joe, Hot produce Alex will just poke
Speaker 1: their heads and be like, hey you guys, good, okays good,
Speaker 1: We're gonna go do to whatever the funk else we
Speaker 1: do with our lives. And I leave us with Will,
Speaker 1: who's wonderful. But you know, it's not that Will is
Speaker 1: not family. It's just that you know your family, and
Speaker 1: for you to abandon us, I would just be curious
Speaker 1: to see what the what the listeners out there thinking
Speaker 1: about hp J, HPJ being distant. hPG is just sort
Speaker 1: of been canonized in this way, and for him to
Speaker 1: just leave is unconscionable. Okay, well we'll talk about this later,
Speaker 1: but listen, it's irresponsible because what you don't know what
Speaker 1: we're gonna say. We're running them up anyway as awards
Speaker 1: season heats up. Oh my god, well yes, please keep going.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a little I'm a little like what what
Speaker 1: is your what is your status? Right now? I'm itching
Speaker 1: to talk about this. Okay, this is and we're all
Speaker 1: about to get an education too. We truly are, Okay.
Speaker 1: So I was just saying as I came in here,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever been so gagged for the
Speaker 1: guests because literally, like, and what I'm saying is I
Speaker 1: don't give a funk about any of you've had on
Speaker 1: the show. That's what I'm saying. No. But in addition,
Speaker 1: I have been on this gentleman's website since I since
Speaker 1: for like the past eleven years, and I'm gonna date
Speaker 1: myself by saying I think the first time I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with this website was when there was full
Speaker 1: articles and like, um props be given to Kirsten Dunces
Speaker 1: performance in Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mines. That's when
Speaker 1: I knew you were my number one. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: And you know why I always say Kirston Dunce makes
Speaker 1: it look easy. I got that from our guests because
Speaker 1: I was like, she does make it look easy, especially
Speaker 1: in that movie. Completely underappreciated across the board for almost
Speaker 1: everything she's ever done. She is and that character is
Speaker 1: integral to the plot. Huge and oh my god, Kirsten
Speaker 1: was so good and she and she did and she
Speaker 1: played high and drunk really well. Remember, yeah, almost makes
Speaker 1: it look easy. And I will say it's rule of
Speaker 1: culture number what fourteen seventy is? Kirston makes it look easy.
Speaker 1: And we talked about this about the Beguiled Man. I
Speaker 1: don't really understand why not in the conversation kind of
Speaker 1: just seeing well we could talk about this because we
Speaker 1: literally have the best person to talk about this with. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is this is someone who basically invented oscar prognostication. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean we we have to we would say what
Speaker 1: he says about that, but I love it. I think
Speaker 1: I would like to say he invented it or just
Speaker 1: the modern the modern sort of discourse he has he
Speaker 1: has he has created for me. Yes, yeah, um, what
Speaker 1: were that's his cred I'm starting the credits and you know, yes, Okay,
Speaker 1: So I want everyone to be logging on, especially to
Speaker 1: the rest of the season and also of the Oscar
Speaker 1: season and of course all year round. I'm on it
Speaker 1: every day, the Film Experience dot Net. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: it's the most um in depth film coverage. UM. There's
Speaker 1: lots of websites out there. You've got your Goal Derby,
Speaker 1: you got your awards daily for you Oscar gays out there. UM,
Speaker 1: this I think is the website with the most dimension
Speaker 1: that cares the most. It's for me, you know, I've
Speaker 1: nothing's nothing stuck with me in this way. And I'm
Speaker 1: a recent converts. I know I got you into it.
Speaker 1: You got me into it, especially this season this year. Um.
Speaker 1: And he has the accompanying podcast, Film Experience Podcasts, and
Speaker 1: he will release his upcoming film Bitch Awards. So this
Speaker 1: actually I believe that Kirsten Dunns was gold medalist in
Speaker 1: the Film Bitch Awards years ago for Eternal Sunshine. And
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, because no one is paying any
Speaker 1: attention to Houston. And also the categories are amazing. You
Speaker 1: have like, um, Hottest Hottie of the Year, you have uh,
Speaker 1: like there's like a fifteen or two twenty, like best
Speaker 1: Scenes of the year, which I can't believe. I can't
Speaker 1: believe Awards don't do get this too. Yeah, so there's
Speaker 1: not only supporting categories, right, limited performance categories like someone
Speaker 1: that comes in and just slays one scene right right right?
Speaker 1: Like here, who are we talking about last week? Um? Betty, Betty, Gabriel,
Speaker 1: Gabriel get out? Oh my god, she slaid that one scene.
Speaker 1: I can't keep talking about this without him. Okay, so
Speaker 1: let's introduce our guest, Nathaniel Rogers. Hello, hy Nathaniel, Hello,
Speaker 1: Hi is first of all, listen. Uh, this is like
Speaker 1: a little atypical. We usually have like a New York
Speaker 1: area comedians on, but I feel like we're here to
Speaker 1: give everyone an education in terms of how the Awards
Speaker 1: season shakes out. And it is our honor and the
Speaker 1: listeners honor to be listening to some want to talk
Speaker 1: about this at length, in depth, and to have to
Speaker 1: have Nathaniel here with us. So this is our privilege.
Speaker 1: Just so you know, I'm very scared, don't you have to?
Speaker 1: Did you know you have stands? Did you know you
Speaker 1: have fans out there that are like really obsessed? Yes,
Speaker 1: I've been stopped in movie theaters. You have and on
Speaker 1: the streets of other cities, but not not in New
Speaker 1: York so much. Okay, so listen, um, I bet that
Speaker 1: people that see you in movie theaters know that you're
Speaker 1: cultivating an opinion that is then going to influence the masses,
Speaker 1: and so they feel like very nervous to see what
Speaker 1: it isolated with theater. I think I would just leave
Speaker 1: you alone. No, they're like, what did you think about?
Speaker 1: They want, you know, the scoop, They want the scoop.
Speaker 1: They want to know what's gonna So listen. So are
Speaker 1: you in the Broadcast Film Critics Association, so you get
Speaker 1: to vote for the recent awards. How are you feeling
Speaker 1: about how it check out? Well, I'm always a little
Speaker 1: nervous about that show because it's one of the things
Speaker 1: you want to be like proud of it, I remember,
Speaker 1: but always like a little like yeah yeah, because you
Speaker 1: have a direct line to it in some ways, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: But you don't get to really decide on a lot
Speaker 1: of like the rules. And they're constantly changing their categories,
Speaker 1: which is a little embarrassing because consistency is key. Oscar
Speaker 1: is the king or the main right, because it's been
Speaker 1: the same right relatively relatively but like you know, ninety
Speaker 1: years now, like you have two in order to have
Speaker 1: that power and that have to you have to be
Speaker 1: an institution of course. So yeah, so I think, I
Speaker 1: guess we could say the big winner of the Broadcast
Speaker 1: Film Critics Awards, but now they're just called the Critics
Speaker 1: Choice Awards right on mainstream the Shape of Water, Shape
Speaker 1: of Water, and yeah, shape of Water and I and
Speaker 1: the snub of the night was Ladybird just across the
Speaker 1: walk away with sectors with nothing with nothing. Yeah, um
Speaker 1: but yeah shape of Water, which, like I guess and
Speaker 1: I think and just reading reading Nathanial site reading Film Experience, um,
Speaker 1: like like it's I guess, I guess, like it's chances
Speaker 1: are just even higher not it when the genre thing,
Speaker 1: and it's because it's, yeah, where is your head at
Speaker 1: right now about what the front runner is to win
Speaker 1: Best Picture because it feels all over the place, but
Speaker 1: also we feel like it's kind of centering in on
Speaker 1: maybe two or three movies, Like where do you think
Speaker 1: it's at right now? Well, it's very confusing right now
Speaker 1: because people are it's in this war of like the
Speaker 1: old and the new. Like I think at some point
Speaker 1: someone's going to write a book. Maybe me, but somebody
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna write a book like Mark Harris,
Speaker 1: who I love Pictures of a Revolution, which is about
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven and how the oscars and the movie
Speaker 1: culture was shifting. That year was like a pinpoint, pivotal year,
Speaker 1: and I think that's gonna be written at some point
Speaker 1: about this time period in the context of like Weinstein
Speaker 1: stuff and right correct, maybe well, because everything seems to
Speaker 1: be shifting, not just in the culture of Hollywood hopefully
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't know the fallout of that. We
Speaker 1: really don't, UM, but the types of movie that are nominated,
Speaker 1: like absolutely in Moonlight that would not have been the
Speaker 1: Best Picture winner ten years before that, UM and then
Speaker 1: this year maybe get Out Maybe I think it really could.
Speaker 1: I think it stands a chance because I think right
Speaker 1: now what you're seeing with with all the awards bodies
Speaker 1: that have kind of decided they're all. I feel like,
Speaker 1: get Out is what you get when you combine all
Speaker 1: these different things and you get a result, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I think that across the board everybody
Speaker 1: and every that does something in regards to film actors, writers, directors.
Speaker 1: I think people that work in terms of like behind
Speaker 1: the scenes and everything like that. I think everyone has
Speaker 1: a respect for Get Out and Now, but that nix
Speaker 1: it confusing because how does the movie win Best Picture.
Speaker 1: I know that there's something to do with like everyone
Speaker 1: having it be their favorite movie or listening at as
Speaker 1: number one on the ballot. Like, it's very complicated. It's
Speaker 1: not a straight vote, which it used to be, and
Speaker 1: so that's why it's a little confusing. Like may be
Speaker 1: La La Land would have won last year if there
Speaker 1: was a straight vote, But what happens is you get
Speaker 1: points for being number one and then points for being
Speaker 1: number two and all that. So if you're a divisive
Speaker 1: movie now it's actually harder to win the top prize,
Speaker 1: right because not every like Best Actress isn't ranked, not ranked. No,
Speaker 1: it's just like you're whoever gets the most number votes,
Speaker 1: but Best Picture is ranked. So you know, if if some,
Speaker 1: if lots of people hate you, even if the most
Speaker 1: people loved you, you're not gonna win. That's so interesting.
Speaker 1: I like, what's like, what's an example of that this
Speaker 1: year of a divisive movie? Well, that's in the runt.
Speaker 1: What do you think Three billboards, three billboards it's true,
Speaker 1: and I think it is the most divisive movie of
Speaker 1: the year in terms of the awards conversation. And you
Speaker 1: really see a backlash now. I think people once they started,
Speaker 1: once site started reporting, well, you know, it's now the
Speaker 1: front runner after Golden Globes. So that's how it feels.
Speaker 1: I think people immediately started to feel like we don't
Speaker 1: want that, which was which was sort of the Lala
Speaker 1: in narrative last year, right, And it's so interesting, like
Speaker 1: like you read up on all the all of the
Speaker 1: three billboards backlash and it's like some people are pointing
Speaker 1: out how um Toronto like and just at Toronto it
Speaker 1: did so well, but like that just speaks to how
Speaker 1: like homogeneous of of a body like that festival is.
Speaker 1: It's just like, oh, it's like a bunch of white
Speaker 1: people who are like I think it's like a feel
Speaker 1: good like it thinks it's like a nice little racial
Speaker 1: salve or whatever, and you know you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like absolutely that is the criticism. And then it's
Speaker 1: like but then you release that to like a general
Speaker 1: audience and they're like, wait a minute, this is weird
Speaker 1: and stupid. And I think that's why I personally am
Speaker 1: gonna go out on the limb and give get Out
Speaker 1: the edge to win, because I do think that people
Speaker 1: are going to say, what I mean, that was my
Speaker 1: favorite movie. I think if you had, if you had
Speaker 1: to predict, now, what are we saying now? I would
Speaker 1: maybe say Shape of Water because just because as it's
Speaker 1: not divisive, like even people like me like I don't
Speaker 1: love it, but I definitely don't dislike it, and it
Speaker 1: would and it it's fine in every ways it does.
Speaker 1: It doesn't upset me. You know, I'm not guy. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't rank it last on a ballot. It's a crowd
Speaker 1: pleaser in that way where it's like there's nothing to
Speaker 1: really hate. Although although it hasn't really caught on with
Speaker 1: the public, if you look at the box office, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like below Ladybird, Yeah, below three billboards right
Speaker 1: right right. Um, I was talking. I was talking to
Speaker 1: someone about this, and you know what I hate? What
Speaker 1: do you hate? This is what I hate about Shape
Speaker 1: of Water. They gave Octavia just nothing, nothing. They never
Speaker 1: give her much, I know, but especially in this movie.
Speaker 1: I mean in this film though half of her lines
Speaker 1: are Eliza like you know what I mean? I would
Speaker 1: I will hate it if she's nominated because I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but there's other performances that we're not even talking about,
Speaker 1: like I will bring up Kirston again, like there's just
Speaker 1: it seems like there's other like for I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: get Out doesn't work with that. Alison Williams is performance
Speaker 1: and I've heard people say she's good in that movie
Speaker 1: and good in Girls, the same way as January Jones
Speaker 1: is good and Mad Memories. But I don't think that's true.
Speaker 1: So I just think and I just think, like that's
Speaker 1: such an insulting thing like that January Jones by accident,
Speaker 1: which is sort of correct to level that on someone
Speaker 1: else and be like what house and Williams is just
Speaker 1: it's just it's just like what a fluke? That's that's
Speaker 1: But the thing is, I think that would be such
Speaker 1: a more exciting nomination than like I hate to do this,
Speaker 1: but like Octavia for doing nothing and Mary j for
Speaker 1: doing nothing bound yet she does nothing. Okay, um, do
Speaker 1: you agree she does nothing? Well? But she doesn't so resonant.
Speaker 1: She does nothing so beautifully that is, which is January.
Speaker 1: She certainly looks good and like sunglasses and a hat. Does,
Speaker 1: and she her like her best scene in the whole
Speaker 1: movie is when Carrie Mulligan is very upset. But when
Speaker 1: is Carrie mulan always got to be in some sort
Speaker 1: of anguish on like it's at least on a six
Speaker 1: or seven out of time, but they're like clenching and
Speaker 1: embracing and Marry j By just perfect in that scene.
Speaker 1: There's all these levels of like, yes, I'm giving you comfort,
Speaker 1: but why do I have to give your comfort? You
Speaker 1: know what? It's just surprising. It's like one of those
Speaker 1: things at the end of the year where you're like, huh,
Speaker 1: they've been appearing on every list, or like this is
Speaker 1: something that's a thing or that like oh, this person
Speaker 1: is not on every list. Similar to that, like for example,
Speaker 1: why Holly Hunter and not right Romano? Um, you've just
Speaker 1: said it by saying their names. I mean, but the
Speaker 1: thing is that you can't take Ray like Ray Romano
Speaker 1: at no point in his life is doing a mute
Speaker 1: performance and winning an oscar you know what I mean? Yes,
Speaker 1: you didn't see the piano. You must see the piano.
Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about like sucking Sally or something. No, no, honey.
Speaker 1: And also I don't know. I'm not. I just don't.
Speaker 1: I don't get Sally Hawkins. Really, I don't think she's
Speaker 1: got a star quality. But anyway, that's a whole other
Speaker 1: can of worms, so listen. I just think Romano actually
Speaker 1: it's a more versatile performance then Holly Hunter's. I think
Speaker 1: Holly Hunter's performance is great, and I liked it even
Speaker 1: more the second time I watched The Big Sick, but
Speaker 1: I was like even more impressed with Ray Romano. The
Speaker 1: second time was like, because it feels because Holly Hunter's
Speaker 1: whole thing will go ahead, but that might not be.
Speaker 1: That might be the surprise factor, which is also key
Speaker 1: in Oscar racist like when an actor you're not expecting
Speaker 1: anything from Yeah, like January Joe exactly. I mean if
Speaker 1: she would get an Oscar nomination, that would be wild,
Speaker 1: and it would happen if she was really good in
Speaker 1: a movie, because people would be like, let me tell you,
Speaker 1: it sure would. Well, she's doing a great job of
Speaker 1: level setting and of just being like I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not going to be good at this. What the fun
Speaker 1: is she doing right now? January? I have no clue,
Speaker 1: do you know what? I don't? And I was a
Speaker 1: huge fan of her. Look, I actually love her. I
Speaker 1: love her on mad Men too, But once you see
Speaker 1: her in like x Men, that she plays like whatever,
Speaker 1: miss Frost, You're like, this bitch is only like come on,
Speaker 1: like she sure, sure, sure, sure, I mean yeah, but
Speaker 1: mad Men she's amazing. But also she meant definitely. And
Speaker 1: there's also a scene in mad Men which I'm a
Speaker 1: January Jones apologist half the time for this reason. Do
Speaker 1: you remember you were a big mad Men fan? You
Speaker 1: always covered me. I love that. I loved your analysis
Speaker 1: is a mad Man because mad Men is very cinematic,
Speaker 1: of course, and famously so. But there's a scene where
Speaker 1: she thinks she's going to model again in and they
Speaker 1: come over and they're like, actually you're not, and we're
Speaker 1: going to need to take that necklace and she's like,
Speaker 1: oh okay, and they take the necklace offer and her
Speaker 1: eyes just filled with tears. It's like she's giving you
Speaker 1: everything in that scene. Sure sure. And then also I
Speaker 1: think it was like the finale of the season three
Speaker 1: and she's gonna they're about to fight, and she's like
Speaker 1: I want to scream at you, and it was just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're so uncomfortable expressing yourself and so such a child
Speaker 1: that like it just it was such an effort for
Speaker 1: her to even say the words that she felt. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe she was good, Nathaniel. Maybe you're right and she's
Speaker 1: amazing on that show. Although I will hold it against
Speaker 1: her forever and not Petty Draper or not sure not
Speaker 1: January Jones. But sometimes you hold it against an actor
Speaker 1: when they're playing the character, when they're playing a monster. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: where she dissed Joan Crawford in the show and the
Speaker 1: best of everything, saying Joan Crawford wasn't even human, and
Speaker 1: I was very riled up all it took. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that's all a check. I don't mean to minimize that,
Speaker 1: but I mean, I unfortunately hold it against peg y
Speaker 1: Olsen that Elizabeth Moss is a scientologist. Oh that's what
Speaker 1: an interesting what a what a nice inversion? Yeahs or whatever?
Speaker 1: Um No, But I mean, look, I just I just
Speaker 1: had my my sag. I voted, and I did something
Speaker 1: that I would like your take on. I voted without
Speaker 1: seeing everything. You say, No, this is not good, lump,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I'm not seeing three billboards that's I can
Speaker 1: see it. Anytime because the screener is sitting there. But
Speaker 1: it's just that kind of movie where I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to watch this, but it's it's entertaining. I
Speaker 1: will say I found it entertaining, and my first response
Speaker 1: of walking out of the theater was, oh, like, what
Speaker 1: a fun way for Martin McDonough to do like Cohen
Speaker 1: Brothers drag. Then like but then like you think about
Speaker 1: this this you know, Amrockles Redemption arc and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: actually that was kind of sucked up. Well, that's the
Speaker 1: thing is he's such a muscular writer that he can
Speaker 1: get away with a lot until after the fact and
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, wait, that's exactly examination You're like, hold on, wait,
Speaker 1: I was really on board for this to also shame
Speaker 1: on me, right yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Um, oh
Speaker 1: my god. I feel like we should pull up the
Speaker 1: prediction index. But maybe not. I mean I would we
Speaker 1: should do that. I would say, well, I just want
Speaker 1: to ask you flat out like it, without taking off
Speaker 1: the prognosticator cap, what what have you really enjoyed this year?
Speaker 1: Not to spoil the film Bitch Awards which are forthcoming,
Speaker 1: or your Top ten which you have not released this
Speaker 1: right right, right, But can you talk about like this
Speaker 1: is true? Okay, so this feeling so much guilt about
Speaker 1: that right now? I mean, but I'm so late, That's okay,
Speaker 1: that's okay. I will say this. Whenever you are late
Speaker 1: on the film Bitch Awards, I get really mad. Like
Speaker 1: whenever like I see a category is not full, or
Speaker 1: like sometimes just the blocks will be like yellow, silver
Speaker 1: and bronze or whatever, I'll be like, what is it?
Speaker 1: Like I need to know called a life? I just
Speaker 1: unfortunately don't and need that information. Life is what happens
Speaker 1: in between the film bit works culture. But what are
Speaker 1: you liking? I mean, like, what are you most excited
Speaker 1: to seek a recognition? Well? This is this is the
Speaker 1: happy ending of the year. The Ladybird got so much,
Speaker 1: absolutely because I wasn't expecting it. And I love the movie.
Speaker 1: I think it's terrific, amazing from start to finish everything
Speaker 1: and I feel like Greta took not that she needed
Speaker 1: from other people. But twentieth Century Women was my favorite
Speaker 1: movie did get ranked number one for last year, which
Speaker 1: I sort of agree work. I liked it very much.
Speaker 1: I did a little bit more than Medlight, but all
Speaker 1: that humanism. From that and from Mike Mills movies, and
Speaker 1: from her performances, you can feel her as an actor
Speaker 1: within the movie even though she's not in it, which
Speaker 1: is amazing. She has a presence. She's really got such
Speaker 1: a song PV. I think the scene of the year,
Speaker 1: he's I'm obsessed with this. I just think that nobody
Speaker 1: has gotten across um this coming out kind of the
Speaker 1: panic and especially the kind of like regional like how
Speaker 1: you feel in that type of like area than that
Speaker 1: scene where Lucas had just breaks down. I mean, that
Speaker 1: was it caught me by such surprise. It's just like
Speaker 1: I felt myself rise out of my seat and my
Speaker 1: just eyes filled with tears. It was I felt more
Speaker 1: seen by that as a gay person than any moment
Speaker 1: of called me by your name, Wow, beg okay, and
Speaker 1: I like call me by your name. And you know
Speaker 1: what line keeps bouncing around like resounding in my head,
Speaker 1: echoing in my brain is search of saying you're gay.
Speaker 1: Remember that the way she says that in that scene,
Speaker 1: you're gay. I don't know, this is something about that.
Speaker 1: I just think that scene doesn't happen by accident. That
Speaker 1: scene happens because there's an amazing director directing incredible material.
Speaker 1: I think that it would be such a crime, and
Speaker 1: I don't think it will happen now, But if she
Speaker 1: used to out on Best Director nomination, I'm so worried
Speaker 1: about that. You must worry because it's happened so many times.
Speaker 1: But but I feel like, because what voting end did,
Speaker 1: what this week two days ago to day, it's like
Speaker 1: and I feel like just in that window after the
Speaker 1: Golden Globes and and before the due date, I feel like,
Speaker 1: well I got a boost. I agree, but I agree
Speaker 1: about what I'm still nervous about is they don't vote
Speaker 1: as a monolith and every year exactly it's just individual people.
Speaker 1: You know, this thing that just happened that I just
Speaker 1: have to talk about cause I'm so mad about the
Speaker 1: Mark Wahlberg, Yeah, I want to talk about this, the
Speaker 1: paid disparity with Michelle Williams. So you know he donated
Speaker 1: his rats. Mark I said I wanted him to do.
Speaker 1: Was exactly what he did, donated to the fund, which
Speaker 1: is nice. But anyway, it's it's nice and it's great.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they could use the money. But also he's
Speaker 1: getting credit for it when he only did it because
Speaker 1: he was pressured into it exactly. So I'm thinking Mark
Speaker 1: Wallberg's ballot, He's not going to be like HM, which
Speaker 1: then can I honor this year? That's not the way
Speaker 1: people think individually. We all have our own opinions. And
Speaker 1: I also was gonna I was thinking, like you know,
Speaker 1: post the Globes, it felt like, oh, now we're definitely
Speaker 1: going to see a lot of women nominated at the
Speaker 1: at the Oscars, like we will see Grata. But also,
Speaker 1: you know, some people might have voted a little early.
Speaker 1: Some people aren't waiting until the last day to cast
Speaker 1: their ballots. I mean, I didn't wait to vote for
Speaker 1: SAG and like I should have because I didn't see everything.
Speaker 1: I just knew who I wanted. Some people might have
Speaker 1: just known who they wanted and voted already. And also,
Speaker 1: and you know, they weren't affected by the Oprah speech
Speaker 1: and Barber shaming everyone and Natalie Portman dropping the mic,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like they weren't maybe necessarily
Speaker 1: moved by that because they didn't wait. Sure, and they
Speaker 1: maybe don't read everything online the rest of US culture
Speaker 1: except for the film Exparents. They probably yeah, they probably
Speaker 1: they probably reading have you do you ever hear from people? Um,
Speaker 1: like when you you interviewed many actors. I just said,
Speaker 1: you did not interview with Jamie Belle. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean what a dream is he? Are he and Evan
Speaker 1: Rachel still together? No? No? He is? Uh now with
Speaker 1: Kate Mahra. Oh okay, I love Kate Mary. Interesting. Interesting
Speaker 1: you didn't made a face like you don't like Kate.
Speaker 1: I have no real opinion on Kate. I never saw
Speaker 1: how I like Kate. And here's how I know I
Speaker 1: like Kate because I was in despair when she spoiler
Speaker 1: alert got fucked up by that subway in House of Cards.
Speaker 1: I didn't even watch the show, and I felt despair
Speaker 1: about that. Oh yeah, no, it was despairing to watch,
Speaker 1: especially because it came out of No. This is what
Speaker 1: House of Cards was at the peak, right right? It
Speaker 1: used to be legit good right? Um? So, uh, Matt,
Speaker 1: you were asking, do you does Disney Daniel hear from? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I was do you ever hear um back, maybe catch
Speaker 1: a little flak or like ever hear from someone that
Speaker 1: uh that kind of like was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't believe it, Like what's the kind of blowback
Speaker 1: or you know, positive stuff like any memories or stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Um that the most blowback I ever got
Speaker 1: was from Jennifer Lawrence's publicist, Thank god, Okay, go on, no,
Speaker 1: but this was the Winter's Bone time period. Jennifer was
Speaker 1: even like a thing thing, definitely, And it was about
Speaker 1: a little caption I put under a photo, which I'm
Speaker 1: not even proud of now, but I was just I
Speaker 1: was just trying to be funny, which sometimes backfires if
Speaker 1: you're not a comic. So funny it give yourself some credit.
Speaker 1: What was the caption? I'm so embarrassed in this year
Speaker 1: of the women, and so I was. I was listening
Speaker 1: like each woman and like saying like doctor or whatever whatever.
Speaker 1: The dress spoke to me. Yes, yes, yes, but it
Speaker 1: was in tiny little prank because it was the caption,
Speaker 1: and when it came to Jennifer's it just said expensive
Speaker 1: call girl. Honestly though that they put her in that dress,
Speaker 1: that dress because and she she did the Iro classic.
Speaker 1: I mean she deliberately she was. She called it the
Speaker 1: bathing suit dress. Yes, she was giving you Molly's Game,
Speaker 1: the Cinemax version of Jennifer Lawrence before we even knew who.
Speaker 1: Of course, and also you would have thought she took
Speaker 1: herself super seriously at the time. Sure, and maybe she
Speaker 1: still does so her publicist, they said they called me
Speaker 1: and said, I think that's a misogynistic thing to say,
Speaker 1: which hurt my feelings of coarse because I love women. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you are an actra sexual, yes, yes, um. But also
Speaker 1: that's on them for putting stigma on sex work. So
Speaker 1: there you go, bitch, because I was gonna say, you
Speaker 1: didn't even you didn't even ask me if I thought
Speaker 1: called girls were awesome or not. Yeah, yeah, I hope
Speaker 1: you typed that, right. I hope you said. I can
Speaker 1: feel from you that it was definitely like, I'm so
Speaker 1: deeply sorry, but I hope you had said, well, just
Speaker 1: so you know, I have messing called girls who earned
Speaker 1: their millions and go on to become philanthropists. And also
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be legal, and there's no stigma, no stigma. Wow.
Speaker 1: But I will say, most of the time when I
Speaker 1: hear from people, it's positive, good, great. But and I
Speaker 1: want to say this out to any actor working actor
Speaker 1: out there we're listening to. It's amazing when someone writes
Speaker 1: you to thank you for something you wrote. Yes, when
Speaker 1: like when it's happened to me, it's usually a non
Speaker 1: famous person, but like, I'll be shouting someone out. This
Speaker 1: is an example, didn't happen. But like the type of
Speaker 1: performance exactly like you brought up early, Betty Grabiel Gabriel again,
Speaker 1: get out. So when I see a performance like that
Speaker 1: that's amazing and people don't know their name, I always
Speaker 1: make sure to mention the actor's name, that's awesome. And
Speaker 1: sometimes you hear back everyone's while everyone well, I will
Speaker 1: say this, what's so? And I talked about this in
Speaker 1: the last episode, but I watched it out again, So
Speaker 1: isn't it Isn't it so much fun? The second time?
Speaker 1: Fantastic everything to parents to it. My dad really liked it.
Speaker 1: My mom was falling asleep, but she falls asleep for everything.
Speaker 1: But my dad really liked it, and I knew he would,
Speaker 1: and I was watching it again. Just those performances are
Speaker 1: impossible to give. There's it's such an ask of an
Speaker 1: actor to do that. For me, it's just so disappointing.
Speaker 1: And you talk about this when the SAG nominations come out.
Speaker 1: When they don't give a nomination and not for someone
Speaker 1: who shares a title car for someone who stares for
Speaker 1: everyone out there. That's like saying, you know, just to
Speaker 1: say like there with this movie, it's like, of course,
Speaker 1: you know they list all the actors and that it
Speaker 1: says end Katherine Keener, and then every person that they
Speaker 1: haven't listed, like the first seven Games Gabriel and these
Speaker 1: actors Little Rell and Betty Gabriel too. You know, performances
Speaker 1: that pivot the film don't get to share in that
Speaker 1: ensemble nomination. What do you think is with that? And
Speaker 1: will it change like and what do you think is
Speaker 1: going on in the heads of people if they know
Speaker 1: this is true and then put put them on a
Speaker 1: title cover three other people? What is it? That's why
Speaker 1: I've been such a crusader about this. Every year I
Speaker 1: write about this because it makes me so angry. And
Speaker 1: I was I interviewed, um ah my brains. Corey stole
Speaker 1: that was so amazing in Midnight in Paris movie, and
Speaker 1: I think that's I think his performance is a prime
Speaker 1: example of why they even got the ensemble nomination. And
Speaker 1: he was on the second with Woody Allen movies. That
Speaker 1: works different because everybody's listed together. But if they but
Speaker 1: if it's a big cast, they get a second page,
Speaker 1: and the second page is not listed. So Sad has
Speaker 1: all these rules about it, and all of the rules suck.
Speaker 1: They are they do suck. Also because there when Rangers
Speaker 1: the New Black Ones, you see a hundred girls woke
Speaker 1: up on the stage. Meanwhile, like get out, like they
Speaker 1: have an ensemble of what twelve and you're only going
Speaker 1: to see seven people, you know what I mean. They'll
Speaker 1: probably bring them up on stage and imagine, but they
Speaker 1: still don't actually get the actual statue. It's just unless
Speaker 1: they pay like a hundred fifty dollars or something. Maybe
Speaker 1: I think, like in terms of I think that's how
Speaker 1: Emmy's work sometimes. Well literally, if you win an Emmy
Speaker 1: you do have to pay for which I think, actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm almost positive this is a thing across the board.
Speaker 1: Any hardware that you win at all, you pay for
Speaker 1: and you pay to get it engraved and everything like
Speaker 1: that you are an Oscar winner and that you won
Speaker 1: the Oscar, but to actually take it home, even the
Speaker 1: biggest movie stars, you have to pay like a couple
Speaker 1: of hundred bucks to have it engraved and everything. It's
Speaker 1: like when you get a class ring, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's four and you're like, oh god,
Speaker 1: I have to get a class ring. I mean it's
Speaker 1: a class ring and then you wear exactly one time.
Speaker 1: And I just want everyone to know that I never
Speaker 1: bought into just that class ring bullshit. So there's some
Speaker 1: people who just um, so anyway, um yeah, but I agree.
Speaker 1: And I feel like SAG does that weird thing where
Speaker 1: it's like you're only voting from like this already curated
Speaker 1: pool of nominees. It's not like right, like isn't there's
Speaker 1: a nominating committee nominate, chose a couple of random thousand
Speaker 1: people or whatever, and then they decide do they do
Speaker 1: like the sliding scale, like how did they like? No,
Speaker 1: I think it's a straight vote, and then based on
Speaker 1: what they've decided, then everybody votes. Sure. I gotta tell you.
Speaker 1: It was so hard to vote for the Television awards
Speaker 1: so as in Critics Choice words also well for the
Speaker 1: TV stuff. I don't actually they originally had two separate
Speaker 1: awards bodies and then they combined them, and you know,
Speaker 1: they're following the Golden Globes models and it's like Critics Choice,
Speaker 1: Movie and Television Awards, but there's actually two separate bodies.
Speaker 1: There's a Broadcast Film Critics Association and the Broadcast Television
Speaker 1: So without being actually be as shady as you want,
Speaker 1: what do you think of their television selections? Well, they
Speaker 1: were just rubber stamping the Emmy, and they truly were.
Speaker 1: But I'm okay with rubbert stamping if it means Nicole
Speaker 1: Kimman and Alexander's. You know, famously I always said ballot
Speaker 1: in my handgun to my head, alveol for Reese Witherspoon,
Speaker 1: and I did vote for Nicole Wow for sag Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just thought about her like shivering on the ground,
Speaker 1: like I thought about her doing those scenes, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, that to me is like
Speaker 1: real achievement. And also like the conversation it started like
Speaker 1: of course Big Little Eyes started as a whole, but
Speaker 1: you know, it's really that performance that everyone was talking
Speaker 1: about at the ends, and I thought to the place
Speaker 1: she had to go. I really respected that, and as
Speaker 1: an actor, I thought that would be really challenging for
Speaker 1: me to do, whereas Reese, I think, is just giving
Speaker 1: you Reese a plus rees, which is enough for me.
Speaker 1: Usually it's enough for you for Reese to shout, what
Speaker 1: does what does she say? To that Crossing Guard. I've
Speaker 1: been here longer you haven't. I'm you're new here. I'm not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fine, It's just it's so good. She's great in that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I even though you know, I'm a major Nicole Kim,
Speaker 1: which which I appreciate, but I feel for Reaess a
Speaker 1: little bit every time because that is of her very
Speaker 1: best performance. Absolutely absolutely, But you know what, she's got
Speaker 1: that Oscar. She's finally they all just got the Oscar.
Speaker 1: But you know, I do think I do want to
Speaker 1: keep going on Nathaniel's list of his favorite movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so necessarily as top ten because that's coming. But talk
Speaker 1: to us, like what's in your heart you're passionate about
Speaker 1: this year? Well, we already said, Ladybird get out. A
Speaker 1: huge fan of the French movie BPM, which I missed,
Speaker 1: which I missed when it was out in the city,
Speaker 1: and like I, you know, I haven't gotten any any screeners. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were told by our friend that it was great
Speaker 1: God and somehow it did not really win big at
Speaker 1: Can but Pedro Almdovar through the through the grape vine,
Speaker 1: I've heard that he wanted that to win. But members
Speaker 1: of his jury. It can We're all about the square,
Speaker 1: the Swedish Oscar, so maybe there was a little argument.
Speaker 1: Who knows, I love it behind the scenes most of
Speaker 1: our arguments. Um, so BPM is actually not not not
Speaker 1: uh in in question for form, it's already been kicked
Speaker 1: out because you know that for Foreign Language Film they
Speaker 1: narrowed down to nine before it becomes the five nominees,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't even at the top nine for people,
Speaker 1: which upset me greatly because it's amazing. I hear there's
Speaker 1: there's like such a truthfully depicted sex sone. When I
Speaker 1: first time, I was just reading about this and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I have to go see this, not
Speaker 1: because it's like smutty, but not because I have any
Speaker 1: of my own smutty thoughts, but just because it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I need to see that. Yeah, I mean we have.
Speaker 1: We were told that it was great, so also, isn't
Speaker 1: isn't first they first they killed my father? That Angelina
Speaker 1: Jolian movie movie that's also not that so interesting. There's
Speaker 1: always drama, which will never hear about that category because
Speaker 1: they have executive committees, they have nominating committees. The interesting
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god. Okay, so what what
Speaker 1: is the most bullshit esoteric thing about uh, the Academy? Like,
Speaker 1: in your opinion, having followed this all these years, what
Speaker 1: would you say is your most is your biggest grants
Speaker 1: to qualm? Yeah, what's the biggest qualm? Um? And there's
Speaker 1: so many. It's a lot of bull But one of
Speaker 1: the qualms is that you don't have to sorry, you
Speaker 1: don't have to see the things before I go. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: I deserve it. So that's a That's one of the problems.
Speaker 1: Another one is that like the consistency. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: a big inconsistency. You have to be the same every
Speaker 1: year so that people can value you as a tradition.
Speaker 1: And I don't understand why makeup and hairstylists are so disrespected.
Speaker 1: They only get three nominees and everybody else gets five.
Speaker 1: So wild. Also, sometimes I do that with the original
Speaker 1: song too, they'll just decide more. But they did, yeah
Speaker 1: they did for a little while there, Um, what's it
Speaker 1: at now? No, get it's five. But then sometimes there
Speaker 1: you can't even think of five songs from movies, Like
Speaker 1: it's getting so weird. It's not like back in the day.
Speaker 1: Where My Heart Will Go On was also a mainstream hit.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Now, It's like I would
Speaker 1: to the list of potential nominees and it was like
Speaker 1: the Taylor Swift song from fifty Shades Darker. No thanks
Speaker 1: might mean she's she's she's doing she might become an
Speaker 1: OSCAR nominee, bitch, like I would say no thanks. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But when Sam Smith won an Oscar, I gave up
Speaker 1: on that category forever. Actually that was traumatic, traumatic, especially
Speaker 1: since it followed that I don't want to give throw
Speaker 1: shade because I'm not a singer. But he was off
Speaker 1: key the whole performance, and when Oscar it was rough,
Speaker 1: and for him to win over Gaga after literally their
Speaker 1: fists are in the air and she brings that all
Speaker 1: these campus assault victims, you're like campus rapussalt, it's sexual assault,
Speaker 1: Like what a moment? Like what a It was also
Speaker 1: a much better song, so much better. And also Diane
Speaker 1: Warren always Overdue right, never won an Oscar never never,
Speaker 1: and she's like seven eight nominations and many many and
Speaker 1: also the writer of so many classic song from films.
Speaker 1: That's fucking Sam Smith and then just saying that he
Speaker 1: was he was the first fucking winner. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: what a fucking horror first game man to win and off. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that is so fun. What a perfect ship storm of bullshit.
Speaker 1: I don't know, so that was that, I think because
Speaker 1: that happened they read the wrong name of the Best
Speaker 1: Picture winner, like the universe was thrown off and nothing
Speaker 1: good could happen. But from that, I do think so.
Speaker 1: But for me, it's like, tell me inside about this
Speaker 1: because I think it's getting better. But I think the
Speaker 1: biggest bullshit thing about the Academy is like the actual
Speaker 1: makeup of the Academy being so one thing. It's so
Speaker 1: white and so male and so straight. But they've they've actually,
Speaker 1: like those initiatives they set in place, they've really been changing,
Speaker 1: so they like the It's expanded already from like six
Speaker 1: thousand too, I think nine wow, all in the past
Speaker 1: few years. And when you see the list, there's like
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, white men from the Academy
Speaker 1: every year, but there's it's like a much much larger
Speaker 1: percentages and the balance it's much different in the new members. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did notice that there seemed to be a lot
Speaker 1: more young people, young women, and more people of color.
Speaker 1: Every year on the list, which does mean that there's
Speaker 1: a concerted effort um which counts for something. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: this is I think I might have found this out
Speaker 1: from your site. And this is something I cite a lot.
Speaker 1: The average age of the Best Actress Oscar winner is
Speaker 1: twenty nine, or it was the year Natalie Portman one.
Speaker 1: It is still correct. I posted that people did not
Speaker 1: believe me, and I'm like, girl, I did the research
Speaker 1: word and what is it? For men? Best Actor? There
Speaker 1: was not an exact like the most Best Actress I
Speaker 1: had won at twenty nine. The men there was a
Speaker 1: few different age, but it was basically a range in
Speaker 1: your forties or late th right, right, And this is anything,
Speaker 1: This is what you This just goes goes to on
Speaker 1: what you are saying about Timothy is that his chances
Speaker 1: are kind of all over the place because just they're
Speaker 1: not gonna they're not going to really like reward someone
Speaker 1: so young, especially because you make an excuse, which is
Speaker 1: they have their whole career ahead of them. Rum But
Speaker 1: it's like, why doesn't that apply to the fucking the
Speaker 1: Newick girls every year? You know, like they just because
Speaker 1: they because they'd rather see them on stage looking good. Right.
Speaker 1: I think that's what you might have even been the
Speaker 1: one that said this, but it's what I maybe it's
Speaker 1: what I pulled from it. But it's men that they
Speaker 1: see themselves in and there are other friends and women
Speaker 1: that they want to fuck. Listen. I knew speaking of
Speaker 1: men that you know, the issues that that men bring
Speaker 1: to looking at other men, right. Um. I knew Michael
Speaker 1: Fassmander was not going to be nominated for Shame in
Speaker 1: the year that he wasn't nominated, which everybody else predicted.
Speaker 1: And then my bitch, I sat at those tables and
Speaker 1: I heard them, Academy members because I got all these luncheon.
Speaker 1: I heard them talking the only thing they would ever
Speaker 1: talk about. It's his penis, really stand and these are
Speaker 1: these are men? Yeah, Okay. It was not in a
Speaker 1: like wow, what it was like, Yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: penis was certainly in the film. It was just like
Speaker 1: they were obsessed with it, and I think I think
Speaker 1: they were put off obsessed with it. I get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're not going to nominate him. It's all
Speaker 1: these men. Yeah, And that that was an indicator for
Speaker 1: you. You You were like, oh, this this inverted male gaze
Speaker 1: of like or just inverted. It's still the male gaze
Speaker 1: of just like oh a Penis. No, well it was
Speaker 1: like that was like like you clocked that at that point. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I did not predict him. Everybody else did. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's not going to happen. I heard. And then when
Speaker 1: George Clooney introduced him with the whole like you know,
Speaker 1: like talking about is like oh yeah, yeah, as Penis
Speaker 1: as a golf club or something. It was so weird.
Speaker 1: It was at the clubs. Do you guys remember that?
Speaker 1: I think I do, But like I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: always like, oh, they're drunk. It's the globes, but like
Speaker 1: it can't have like hung in the air as a
Speaker 1: nice thing. Hung sure, little joke now, but also like
Speaker 1: it's this thing that happens all the time which I hate,
Speaker 1: which is happening again this year. You know, not saying
Speaker 1: he's not deserving, but Gary Oldman is is known as
Speaker 1: overdue and so like when they feel like they've messed
Speaker 1: up before, HPJ is shaken his god damn head. He
Speaker 1: doesn't think that. He doesn't think Gary Oldman deserves it.
Speaker 1: Do you? Who would you vote for Timothy? Because the
Speaker 1: only because according to Nathaniel in the prediction, and next
Speaker 1: the only two locks for best Actor our Timothy and
Speaker 1: Gary correct. And then the other three are voted for
Speaker 1: Daniel Caloya for best Actor, and then and then and
Speaker 1: then I guess the other big persons are day Lewis
Speaker 1: and then the Yeah, well know, because it's very it's
Speaker 1: up in the air. Yeah, Like, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of them have a really really good shot. I just
Speaker 1: don't want to say their locks because there's more than
Speaker 1: three of them besides Timothy and Gary, yes, and they don't.
Speaker 1: Like I think Daniel Clue is probably safe, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. But the other three, it's like, which
Speaker 1: is Daniel day Lewis, Um, Tom Hayes, Tom Henk. What
Speaker 1: the fund is going on with the post? I don't know?
Speaker 1: And the post is all over the place. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I likened it today to like a roller coaster and
Speaker 1: you're climbing the roller coast. Everybody's like it's gonna win everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then as soon as you start designing people screaming,
Speaker 1: it's losing everything. Yeah. It's like that's very like, although
Speaker 1: when it comes to best Actress, like Francis Yawn sort of,
Speaker 1: I just feel like we've I know, but that whole movie,
Speaker 1: I was like so not on board with the post
Speaker 1: until it's that shot that like just like goes in
Speaker 1: on Meryl and she's on the phone and she's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's go, let's go, let's yeah,
Speaker 1: let's do what we should do it we should. It
Speaker 1: was I mean, it's I'm not I'm I'm butchering it,
Speaker 1: but it's I mean, that was when I was like
Speaker 1: the whole movie came together for me. Now it is
Speaker 1: like wow, and it was thrilling. And so I feel
Speaker 1: like Frances never really gave you the need there needs
Speaker 1: to be. Look, I didn't. I think that Frances mcdormant
Speaker 1: is incredible, incredible, like I said, when as someone who
Speaker 1: has I mean still I haven't seen it, but I
Speaker 1: just know that I've seen it before. And but the
Speaker 1: thing is that's not fair. That's really not fair. And
Speaker 1: I also want to say, like this is this is
Speaker 1: all over the where are you going with this? Because
Speaker 1: I'm nervous to say this next thing. Okay, say it,
Speaker 1: say it. I voted for Margot Robbie because I fucking
Speaker 1: love Titania and we're sitting here at the table with
Speaker 1: someone who really really, I would even go as far
Speaker 1: as say, hey, totally dislikes and maybe even hates Titania.
Speaker 1: You think it's lifetime trash. I think it's trash. I
Speaker 1: think it's rewriting history trash. And I am not there
Speaker 1: for it. You're not there. I've voted from Margot Nna Allison.
Speaker 1: The pendulum is swinging back a little bit. Do do
Speaker 1: you get what I'm saying? It's like it's everywhere now
Speaker 1: and today. Nancy Carrigan sort of quote, Unn, I didn't
Speaker 1: see what. I'm busy living in my life. But it's
Speaker 1: like I thought, I I thought about this too. Is
Speaker 1: like it is sort of sucked up that like she
Speaker 1: was I saw you, like that status she was on,
Speaker 1: you know, just pretty unequivocally the victim in that situation.
Speaker 1: And for I mean, yeah, it's it's whatever. It's a
Speaker 1: nuanced portrayal of poverty and blah blah blah and like,
Speaker 1: but for it's gotta be weird for her to be like, wait,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? I think this was Tanya Harding story
Speaker 1: and it was very stylized, like the movie is incredibly stylized,
Speaker 1: and also the movie literally says there is no such
Speaker 1: thing as truth, and so like, yeah, I can get
Speaker 1: being salty about the movie. I get, I get like not,
Speaker 1: you know, wanting to retread it, but she I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Like my read on Nancy Karagin is that
Speaker 1: she kind of like I don't want to hang out
Speaker 1: with her. Okay, well I hang out with her. I
Speaker 1: don't want to see her at the barbecue. I don't
Speaker 1: want to see her at an event, Tony, I don't know,
Speaker 1: and because guess what, you know she wants to go home.
Speaker 1: It's like, if you're not trying to make this event fun,
Speaker 1: I don't want to stand with you here. I also
Speaker 1: like Titania, but I even curious to hear Nathaniel's thoughts.
Speaker 1: Well he thinks it's true. Yeah, I don't really want
Speaker 1: to be labor the point because there's way too much
Speaker 1: of negativity when people talk about Oscar stuff into it,
Speaker 1: because like, because I get toxic too, and this is
Speaker 1: part of your this is part of your job. I
Speaker 1: would say, it's to as you have that. I well,
Speaker 1: now it's just what bothers me about it is. I
Speaker 1: really think it's it wants its cake and eating yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like one the cake goes in one way and
Speaker 1: out and I was like, what are you doing because
Speaker 1: it's like domestic abuse is so funny and then it's
Speaker 1: like no, it's so tragic, and I was like, you
Speaker 1: need to decide what you're point of view is. See,
Speaker 1: I never this is an interesting thing. I never once
Speaker 1: thought they were trying to make it look funny. I
Speaker 1: thought they were trying to make it look every day
Speaker 1: it was to her man, I saw in a theater
Speaker 1: that did not ever laugh at No, it wasn't a
Speaker 1: it wasn't a comedy to this audience. And like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I think it's this character these categorizations
Speaker 1: that come in and have to happen, like calling this
Speaker 1: a comedy and this one drama and this whatever. It's
Speaker 1: just like I think that. And even in this interview
Speaker 1: Tanya Harding did with ABC the other night, she said
Speaker 1: that when she was watching the movie, she was laughing
Speaker 1: her ass off. Tanya Harding says specifically about Alison Jenny's performance,
Speaker 1: She's like, oh my god, it was so real every time,
Speaker 1: that's what it was. And she kind of just like,
Speaker 1: that's what it was. That was my mother. She's like
Speaker 1: Alison Janny did my mother? That was her? And it
Speaker 1: was just like this is someone who Then they asked
Speaker 1: her like, what are your qualms with the movie, and
Speaker 1: she was like, well, I certainly never cursed at the judges,
Speaker 1: like those are her problems with it? Like um, but
Speaker 1: she stands by it, and so I guess I trust
Speaker 1: her in terms of like it being her account of
Speaker 1: her own story, Like I don't know, maybe I'm also
Speaker 1: giving her too much credit. She is like famously a felon. Um.
Speaker 1: Well it is called in that way. It is her,
Speaker 1: you know, you have to take it with a grain
Speaker 1: of still because it's her vision, right. But I just
Speaker 1: I think maybe it wouldn't have become so incense with
Speaker 1: the movie if they weren't trotting her out as this
Speaker 1: hero or like this folk hero or something. And I
Speaker 1: was like her friends, and I think maybe she knew it,
Speaker 1: even though she won't admit it. Violently attacked another woman
Speaker 1: and we're just going to ignore that because it's fun
Speaker 1: to rehabilitate people's images totally. And why did she have
Speaker 1: Nancy's training schedule written down? Why did she have ever down?
Speaker 1: We need I Nancy. Absolutely's all three of us cast
Speaker 1: someone different or we can all agree on this. Wait,
Speaker 1: hold on, because I don't want to say the wrong person.
Speaker 1: Oh someone, No one would be good. Michelle Monaghan. Okay,
Speaker 1: she's old to now I guess um, but I know
Speaker 1: that because she looks like her. She looks like her.
Speaker 1: But what's that kind of like severe sort of like
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, you know what, you know
Speaker 1: what has been perfect a young and it stands awful
Speaker 1: a younger brook Shields. I don't know about that. I
Speaker 1: don't know about that. I just in terms of resemblance,
Speaker 1: not because not not because of prisons. Those famous brows
Speaker 1: and Anti Karagan don't have those brows. They just have.
Speaker 1: They just have like nice. I don't know. Do you
Speaker 1: have an interesting take anyway? That's like when they dream
Speaker 1: Jennifer hud did in dream Grows. Everyone was like what
Speaker 1: and then she won an oscar? Maybe Brookshelds would have
Speaker 1: won an oscar any any idea. I flashed immediately, and
Speaker 1: I am not pleased with myself, but I flashed immediately
Speaker 1: to Nally Portman, and I literally they both play the role.
Speaker 1: It's like a black Swan thing. That's superimposed Nancy karg
Speaker 1: Amila to me is to Mela to me is two
Speaker 1: black swan to play Nancy, but Natalie. I get Natalie.
Speaker 1: I get Um. And then honestly, I think if if
Speaker 1: this is like five maybe even maybe five, maybe closer
Speaker 1: to ten and she's big, I think Amy Adams plays
Speaker 1: and and wins an Oscar. Sure. I think we need
Speaker 1: a nine Nancy. We needed we needed nine Nancy, and
Speaker 1: we can get Amy in a supporting role and she
Speaker 1: could win. Sure. Um, that's a frustrating case, Amy Adams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because she's not going to win Lead Actress at this point.
Speaker 1: I don't think she will ever. Well, I mean the
Speaker 1: Julianne Moore thing, which was a big thing for me,
Speaker 1: and I had to mention it every day for months
Speaker 1: after it happened, by the way, ending every article, even
Speaker 1: unrelated by the way, Julianne Moore is now in Oscar. Yeah, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I mean it's huge news because she was only the
Speaker 1: second woman in her fifties ever to win Best and
Speaker 1: and and and since when like after since the fifties.
Speaker 1: Shirley Booth come back, Little Sheba, come back, Little Sheba. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember you remember you either writing about this, we're
Speaker 1: talking about this on some other program. Um that and
Speaker 1: also and then and then what was the what's the
Speaker 1: historical precedent for a younger a male just like I
Speaker 1: guess the Best Actor Best Actor winners Adrian Brodie right
Speaker 1: at nine years old? And when was that? Yes? But then, um,
Speaker 1: didn't hear the Chicago One Best Picture? Right? What was
Speaker 1: there's there's some there's some best actor like record that
Speaker 1: hasn't been broken since five or something right like that
Speaker 1: has to do with Timothy And maybe I'm making this
Speaker 1: up anyway, just in terms of age, In terms of
Speaker 1: age youngest ever nominated, if he's got it, nominated, got
Speaker 1: it and he will put him you you you put
Speaker 1: that lock in. I think, yeah, but he'll he'll be nominated,
Speaker 1: but he'll be the third youngest ever. And I really
Speaker 1: thought I was going to check that box. But then
Speaker 1: after I saw Get Out, I was like, Danielle, Danielle.
Speaker 1: For me, it's like, it's so hard to lead a
Speaker 1: hard movie like especially when like that. It's just there's
Speaker 1: so much going on. When he started appearing in these awards,
Speaker 1: I was like, what, it's so weird. No one's ever
Speaker 1: even talked about him, and then you watch the movie
Speaker 1: and you're like, man, oh man, that guy's it's real talent.
Speaker 1: Really the whole cast, which I was really happy they
Speaker 1: got an ansom my name, it's a tricky tone. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I nail it. Everyone they got they got
Speaker 1: my vote, Oh my god. And I think that I
Speaker 1: think everyone knows that. Like I said, I think there's
Speaker 1: something in get Out to love across the board. And
Speaker 1: I had a really hard time deciding between get Out
Speaker 1: and Lady Bird for that ensemble. And I said to myself,
Speaker 1: you know what, what do you really love about Lady Bird?
Speaker 1: The acting or the casting? And I think the cat
Speaker 1: I think I love the acting, but it was really
Speaker 1: the casting that made me laugh to you and be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this girl like or like what genius casting.
Speaker 1: I mean that that girl is that girl and I
Speaker 1: shouldn't know her name. But the actress who played the
Speaker 1: like the mean like the queen Bee girl, definitely, yes,
Speaker 1: yes she is just and I were perfect, she's perfect
Speaker 1: for that role. But no, you're right, like get Out
Speaker 1: just as just like as like an as like an
Speaker 1: as like a body of actors that's just it almost
Speaker 1: was like a sport you know what I mean. It
Speaker 1: was almost like you saw the actors all passing the
Speaker 1: ball back. Yeah, like it was just so it was
Speaker 1: art everybody, Catherine, everybody, Katherine, Josh and I think there's yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean everyone across Daniel. Yeah, I mean you mean
Speaker 1: Bradley Woods. I was watching the Globes last week. I
Speaker 1: my heart sank as the show went on. I was like,
Speaker 1: get out, it's not winning anything. No, it's not. I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was ever winning the Globes. I
Speaker 1: don't think the Hollywood Foreign or get get out. I
Speaker 1: thought it just didn't bode well for its OSCAR chances,
Speaker 1: which would say it doesn't always correlate. And also it's
Speaker 1: very American in its appeal and its themes. And I
Speaker 1: don't know that that's always like that important in terms
Speaker 1: of weather globes like something, but it does affect them,
Speaker 1: you know on some level. You know it has to
Speaker 1: play into it. Short, there's always got to be something
Speaker 1: a little extra, I think for the Hollywood Foreign Press,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, there's got to be like
Speaker 1: an extra reason, like whether it's like extra sex appeal
Speaker 1: or like something's big or something's very stylish or something
Speaker 1: like that. You know what I mean. There's just seems
Speaker 1: like they always like find room, even if it's like
Speaker 1: a quote unquote like not such a great movie, Like
Speaker 1: there's always a musical in that musical or comedy category.
Speaker 1: Like you saw The Greatest Showman get a few nominations.
Speaker 1: My god, we were talking about I can't Matt famously
Speaker 1: loved The Greatest show Well, I loved watching it. I
Speaker 1: didn't love the movie because it was good. I went twice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hell yeah you did. When when I was watching this
Speaker 1: is I think I cried four different times. Okay, when
Speaker 1: she's like this is me. This is interesting because do
Speaker 1: we are we applying the same rubric to The Greatest
Speaker 1: Showman as we as we are Iconia? And I'm asking you, Nathaniel,
Speaker 1: because to trot out P. T. Barnum as this like
Speaker 1: savior figure is ridiculous, right, Like his first thing was
Speaker 1: to like he he like took this and slave the
Speaker 1: elephants or no, not even that the elephants tracked you
Speaker 1: know that how intelligent they are, right he he didn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't it one of his first things? Like he
Speaker 1: literally took an elderly black woman, and said this was
Speaker 1: George Washington's slave and she a hundred and eighties something years. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it sounds like she died and then he's he's he
Speaker 1: vowed to give her a proper burial, but nope, just
Speaker 1: burned her through into her pet. You know, Margo insane
Speaker 1: to be made up. So I'm gonna say it's probably true,
Speaker 1: right right, but they're not. He's dead. He is long dead,
Speaker 1: and they're not gonna give him around of applause at
Speaker 1: the Golden Yeah. Yeah, he's not going to come in
Speaker 1: and talks and everybody's like, you're amazing, but harding. I
Speaker 1: can't wait, just say whatever gown she wears to the Oscars, honey,
Speaker 1: you know she's going to be presenting Best Cinematography alongside
Speaker 1: Margot Robbie, and then Margot's gonna be like, I just
Speaker 1: want to say, this woman next to me, she's an
Speaker 1: annoying woman. This is a cockney Australian. You I never
Speaker 1: said I did accents. Well, I bring personality. I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like it's it's it's a biographical movie
Speaker 1: in the same way that Itania is. And and you
Speaker 1: guys went twice, but musical went twice. Musical biopics have
Speaker 1: never ever been about the trip the nine that wasn't accurate.
Speaker 1: He didn't slay in real life. Kate Hudson didn't. Kate
Speaker 1: Hudson wasn't like, Oh God, Kate Hudson and nine one
Speaker 1: of the most ridiculous fun performances ever. That performance hair,
Speaker 1: it was it's no and she's like living for herself.
Speaker 1: It was a fun movie. It was it was made
Speaker 1: no sense. This was so funny. So they the whole
Speaker 1: cast of nine did an interview on Oprah, like when
Speaker 1: when then we came out and going and you have
Speaker 1: an oscar and you have any you have an oscar
Speaker 1: because and then and then she gets to Kate Hudson
Speaker 1: and she goes maybe this year and he was like
Speaker 1: m because everyone knew that, like her role as Stephanie
Speaker 1: in nine, the reporter wasn't the one that was going
Speaker 1: to get her an oscar. But that was irresponsible of
Speaker 1: Oprah to a lot of your responsible behavior from Oh
Speaker 1: that's like in those trailers when they'd be like Academy
Speaker 1: Award nominee, Academy Academy, and then I'll be like Golden Presenter.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. Overdue for well, talk about someone with
Speaker 1: a lot of the potential in the beginning who just
Speaker 1: really showed her colors, like Bride Wars, which came on
Speaker 1: the other day on tv as and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a horrendous movie. Who this is? So we're
Speaker 1: talking about um so who's over Who's over? Fucking do
Speaker 1: at this point, like before Julianne Moore like who who? Who?
Speaker 1: Who is still in that little you know? I have
Speaker 1: one name and one name only I want to say
Speaker 1: on Michelle. This has been all documented on our on
Speaker 1: our shiel. I love Michelle. I mean like, and I
Speaker 1: know you love Michelle, And this is why I connect
Speaker 1: with you because literally every time he says he's asking
Speaker 1: for somebody, I'm like, yes, I am also guting for
Speaker 1: that person. Shell fight for just one of the best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and please every time I say favorite, please know I'm
Speaker 1: saying it with a PF. Yes. So would you nominate
Speaker 1: her for mother? Yes? Wow, she would be in my
Speaker 1: five this year. That was a little maybe even maybe
Speaker 1: he won't even be able to resist and give her
Speaker 1: the gold, give her the gold, give her the yellow.
Speaker 1: As man who is the front runner for best of
Speaker 1: All actress. I guess it's either Allison Janny or Mislauri,
Speaker 1: who are both great, who are both wonderful and I
Speaker 1: think would make deserving winners. I went with Allison, but
Speaker 1: literally it was the hardest one. It was the hardest
Speaker 1: one to before. But I voted for Allison because I
Speaker 1: felt like it was a character and I felt like
Speaker 1: that like that it needed a little bit more invention
Speaker 1: than I thought Lorie did, though I really respect the
Speaker 1: relationship they were able to. Yeah, and it's like what
Speaker 1: you're saying with Allison, um and get out, It's like
Speaker 1: the movie doesn't really work without Laurie's performance, and well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess the thing is like at that point, I
Speaker 1: really because they were both so good. I just did
Speaker 1: pick the actress I liked better and wanted to see when,
Speaker 1: and that was Alison Janny. I think she's well, sometimes
Speaker 1: you have to toss the coin sometimes, Yeah, are is
Speaker 1: that what you're dealing with in this category or now? No?
Speaker 1: I have a favorite, okay, but I usually have like
Speaker 1: ties for the fifth spot, and then I have all
Speaker 1: this agony that I put myself through to like decide
Speaker 1: who was the nominee and who's not sure, So what
Speaker 1: say you regarding Tiffany Hattish and the Oscars. I hope
Speaker 1: she's nominated me too. I laughed so fucking hard in
Speaker 1: the movie theater. It was one of my favorite movie
Speaker 1: going experiences of the year. Like I went in the
Speaker 1: Upper West Side and there were the theater was packed.
Speaker 1: They're all these women of call It and all these
Speaker 1: gay many of course, and it was so fun. Everybody
Speaker 1: was like dancing practically in the seat. Yea, honestly it did.
Speaker 1: It did feel as fun as when I saw ye sure,
Speaker 1: it felt that fun. I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: that actually funny, but it felt like that vibe. It
Speaker 1: was like you were just like, I mean, there's there's
Speaker 1: some sort of transportative thing about like Tiffany Hannish peeing
Speaker 1: from like a zip line, and you're just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I can't believe this has happened. Like I
Speaker 1: felt like I was in some way like there, and
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what I always say, and
Speaker 1: I think you agree with this, and I think this
Speaker 1: might resonate with you two. It's like when you're talking
Speaker 1: about giving a performance an oscar, I think that it
Speaker 1: should be really hard to imagine someone else doing it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean that should be The rubric
Speaker 1: is like, like this performance. Are they just doing their
Speaker 1: job and acting it well, which is what they're supposed
Speaker 1: to do. Or is this something that's really special probably
Speaker 1: couldn't have been done like this by someone else. Is
Speaker 1: it a special movie going experience because of the combination
Speaker 1: of this role and miss performer and Tiffany just just
Speaker 1: sort of operated on a on a different level than
Speaker 1: anyone else. And that movie, I was with her, Like
Speaker 1: the line reading a booty hole, I couldn't from from
Speaker 1: then on in the movie. I was like with her, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so funny. She she became a star when she
Speaker 1: said it's a booty hole. And I remember I saw
Speaker 1: the trailer for the movie and I literally talk to
Speaker 1: my friend and I'm like, the line in the script
Speaker 1: was it's a booty hole. But she made it funny.
Speaker 1: She made it funny, Like no, like that's crazy, I
Speaker 1: just think, and everyone's saying, you know, it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: She's not showed up for any precursors, etcetera, etcetera. She
Speaker 1: won that first big award Los Angeles Film Critics, right,
Speaker 1: she did when l A. It was in New York,
Speaker 1: it was it was New York. It was New York.
Speaker 1: She won New York and then everyone thought, oh my god,
Speaker 1: here we go. We're getting a Tiffany Hattish Oscar season.
Speaker 1: And then Globes didn't happen. Globes didn't happen. Sag didn't
Speaker 1: happen now, But I think that's because they voted her early,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I just think there's more I
Speaker 1: think there's more possibility then we think. I think it
Speaker 1: would be a much better nomination than Octavia Spencer, like
Speaker 1: it's so boring. Sure, um, I mean Octavia. I mean
Speaker 1: we love Octavia. I love Octavia as a person as
Speaker 1: an actress, yes, but when they don't give you anything,
Speaker 1: it's like that b DE nomination. It's like, really, well,
Speaker 1: I do want to say this about Octavia because she's
Speaker 1: so when she got the standing Ovation when she won
Speaker 1: the Oscar, which at first I was like, why is
Speaker 1: she getting a standing ovation because she's loved a fairly
Speaker 1: new actor. But I've met her a few times since
Speaker 1: and I've heard a lot of stories. She is like
Speaker 1: the nicest person. And I had written this little thing
Speaker 1: about my theory is she's the Therma Ritterer of this
Speaker 1: green and because she she brings all this great earthiness
Speaker 1: to every part and it just adds the right texture
Speaker 1: to two movies. Yea um, and you know she I
Speaker 1: was interviewing her for Shape of Water and I mentioned
Speaker 1: I have this theory about you, and she knew she
Speaker 1: had read it. She was like, I am so flattered
Speaker 1: by that. And she went on about being so flattered
Speaker 1: and Thoma Ritter and we talked about Hollywood history and
Speaker 1: how she and Viola Davis were changing the game. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think this would be her third
Speaker 1: Oscar nomination, which is a lot. And I just think
Speaker 1: she's been nominated twice, like pretty rightfully. And and I
Speaker 1: don't know if we need this other nomination when there's
Speaker 1: other women in the conversation who could potentially have game
Speaker 1: changing nominations and it just might be a little bit
Speaker 1: more exciting and deserved based on the material they were given.
Speaker 1: I hope she's already a record holder, the first black
Speaker 1: actress to be nominated after winning. Wow. I didn't realize that,
Speaker 1: I said I had to do with I mean, this
Speaker 1: sounds pretty I thought I had to do with the
Speaker 1: Age and Race, and but no, that's the first one
Speaker 1: after winning to actually be nominated after having already claimed,
Speaker 1: because you know, Jennifer Hudson missed it for Secret Life
Speaker 1: of Bees. Who knows? Maybe well, um, I do hope
Speaker 1: that someone gives throws her a bone and gives her
Speaker 1: a role that is not a period maybe. Well, she
Speaker 1: was in Food Vale Station. You see Food La Hurt
Speaker 1: You was great food. But I'm but I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 1: it's just it feels like it's her thing. And even
Speaker 1: I think she even sort of bemoans that an interview.
Speaker 1: She's like, well, I keep getting these roles of you know,
Speaker 1: these like these motherly black women in period films, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, like she deserves so much
Speaker 1: better than that. Definitely, I think that it'll be interesting
Speaker 1: to see how it keeps playing out. I'm just excited
Speaker 1: that she keeps getting to work because so many times
Speaker 1: we see it happen. Yeah, they feel like, especially in
Speaker 1: that supporting actress category, it's so bizarre what happens to
Speaker 1: so many of those women. It's just like they have
Speaker 1: this moment and then they kind of just don't work.
Speaker 1: It's so strange. It disappears. Like you hear about why
Speaker 1: now with like Miras Orvino, which is so sad. But um,
Speaker 1: you know, speaking of the Weinstein thing, which is very
Speaker 1: much the reason for that. I think that's another reason
Speaker 1: why we could see the whole show change. I'm very
Speaker 1: interested to see how they address it. It's no secret
Speaker 1: that he owned that show, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like that's why I think, Um, especially with Moonlight last year,
Speaker 1: I think we're going to see a lot of cool winds.
Speaker 1: I really do. I'm hoping for it, and I can't
Speaker 1: wait for Nathaniel's book on this year. There will be
Speaker 1: a book. There will be a book. Oh do you
Speaker 1: want to say really quickly, Octavia, do you know that
Speaker 1: Octavia Spencer and Melissa McCarthy were like best friends, Like
Speaker 1: they're like they've like they were on which which late
Speaker 1: night show were they on together? I think it was
Speaker 1: it was Jimmy kim Was when it was when Wissen
Speaker 1: was guest hosting Kim All And they were talking about
Speaker 1: how like years and years and years ago they like
Speaker 1: they did like a little bit parts on like sketch
Speaker 1: on like Weird Owl's show and stuff, and it's like
Speaker 1: so it's cool. It's just like it is cool. Wow,
Speaker 1: Like they're you know, like, what a cool trajectory. Well,
Speaker 1: it's interesting because it's interesting now to kind of be
Speaker 1: fully in the industry, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: making your way in and then your friends, Like we're
Speaker 1: also friends with Rachel Bloom, so now we know to
Speaker 1: Rachel Bees who have won Best Actress Comedy. Not too
Speaker 1: far apart. So I'm putting it in the atmosphere on
Speaker 1: this podcast, Rachel brows the hand. Come do our show.
Speaker 1: We will lay out the carpet. Listen, Let's let's talk
Speaker 1: about this. Who are the rising stars that you think
Speaker 1: we should be looking at? Because you also every year
Speaker 1: you kind of point out some people that have broken
Speaker 1: through without giving anything away, but actually exactly giving it away. Um,
Speaker 1: tell us, like, who are your breakouts this year? Oh god,
Speaker 1: you know it's it's on this spot question. It's not
Speaker 1: really And I would normally like have so many to
Speaker 1: but well Timothy, well yeah, he's the he's the obvious one.
Speaker 1: And I will say I started a big project where
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I always talk about actresses, so I
Speaker 1: thought I'm gonna throw a curveball, Okay, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do a list of a hundred actors under thirty Oh
Speaker 1: my god that people should pay attention to. Wow. And
Speaker 1: I've already started crafting the list. Okay, is it called
Speaker 1: Spotlight on Men? But it was interesting because I started
Speaker 1: at like ages ago because there's a lot of work
Speaker 1: and I had like Timothy end there before the movie
Speaker 1: came out and stuff. Now I wish I had started
Speaker 1: really earlier and like really been on top of it. Listen,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some others. There's gonna be other people
Speaker 1: to be ahead of the curve on, to be prescient about.
Speaker 1: But um, when when can we expect this? Well, it'll
Speaker 1: have to wait till after the Oscar Big Did you
Speaker 1: watch Homeland? Yes, because he was on Homeland. He played
Speaker 1: like the nice I think he played the vice president's
Speaker 1: kid or something, and then you know in the show
Speaker 1: he ends up getting fucking incinerated because that show like
Speaker 1: to throw curveballs with its big terrorist moments. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he uh, he was on that show, and he was
Speaker 1: on that show and he kind of broke out as
Speaker 1: like an actor to watch. And then there was what's
Speaker 1: his face from the movie Brooklyn, the lead actor of
Speaker 1: Brooklyn was Emery Cohen. He was on Smash, which did
Speaker 1: you watch Smash? He was horrible Smash like bad, like
Speaker 1: and when I found out that he was an actor,
Speaker 1: everyone was talking about him like the fucking waste from Smash.
Speaker 1: And then you watch Brooklyn and you're like, wow, he's great.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it was just Smash. Well there's
Speaker 1: it's almost like there's like a perfect role for everyone,
Speaker 1: and you edges an actor, your job is to just
Speaker 1: find out so that you can have a career. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, like Jennifer Lawrence honestly sure struck old, but
Speaker 1: also Jennifer Lawrence, I feel like she kind of found
Speaker 1: her niche like three different times, Like she like really
Speaker 1: hit her dramatic moment in Winter's Going. Everyone's like, that's
Speaker 1: who she is. And then like when she was in
Speaker 1: like Hunger Games, being like a teen sort of icon,
Speaker 1: they're like, Oh, that's who she is, a big movie star.
Speaker 1: And then also it's like weird kind of comedy character
Speaker 1: actress things she does and that's who she is. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: Like so to see the American Hustle performance and the
Speaker 1: Winter's Bone performance, and of course her like big Hunger
Speaker 1: Games and her of course Oscar winning romantic comedy role
Speaker 1: in Silver Linings. Like it's like, she actually is pretty versatile.
Speaker 1: But also try to imagine her doing a British accent
Speaker 1: please now I won't. It's like people were like, who's
Speaker 1: the next Meryl? Everyone was like, jay La, it's Jennifer,
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lawrence. And I was like, literally, try to imagine
Speaker 1: her doing a British accent. But then here she is
Speaker 1: in this new movie doing a Russian accent. I think
Speaker 1: we know what's Sarsha because her American accent is Also,
Speaker 1: you can always tell who is actually talented when they
Speaker 1: slay SNL. Yes, and she was very good. She was
Speaker 1: very good. This is actually a rule of culture number
Speaker 1: number forty one, which I'll say it and then we'll
Speaker 1: say it together. When they're scared to host SNL, it's
Speaker 1: a red flag. When they're scared to host, it's a
Speaker 1: red flag. You know who's great at it? Natalie Apartment
Speaker 1: great host, great Also scarlettre Hanson always a great host.
Speaker 1: You know who's never hosted Saturday Live? This actually floored
Speaker 1: me when I realized this. Sandra Bullock, Oh never hosted SNL.
Speaker 1: You think she'd be all over that. Yeah, he thinks
Speaker 1: she would be a slam dunk. Yeah. Thoughts on Sandra
Speaker 1: I enjoy her and limited capacity once a year, and
Speaker 1: a romantic thoughts on her Oscar winning turn in The
Speaker 1: blind Side. Well, I really wanted to be Gabby instead
Speaker 1: of But that was my vote too, because Tilda Swinton
Speaker 1: was not nominated that year for Julia, which I knew
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna happen at a very obscure small movie. You
Speaker 1: are a Tilda gay Michael Clayton. That got me. But
Speaker 1: I don't think I was a Tilda fan before that.
Speaker 1: I think I knew her from like the Narnia movie, right,
Speaker 1: And then my, you've seen Michael Clayton. I've never seen
Speaker 1: my poet. Michael Clayton is really good. You know. I
Speaker 1: came when I watched her in Rockovic the other week.
Speaker 1: Came up in the and like you will you might
Speaker 1: also like? And I was like, really you might also like?
Speaker 1: But I'm just what an interesting til in that movie?
Speaker 1: You're gonna love movie because she's so like, like there's
Speaker 1: a scene that your entering the meeting of her character
Speaker 1: is her giving this speech to like the board but
Speaker 1: then there's flashbacks while while you're hearing it to her,
Speaker 1: like ironing her clothes and like really like obsessively putting
Speaker 1: herself together, and like it's just such a good it's
Speaker 1: a it's a performance that the director loves. That's great,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah? Um, I do want
Speaker 1: to ask Nathaniel sort of a modified versions of our
Speaker 1: of our of the question of the show right right right,
Speaker 1: which is usually what is the culture that made you
Speaker 1: think culture was for you? But I if you can
Speaker 1: drill down into this, if like, what was the moment
Speaker 1: or thing that makes you like just become just so
Speaker 1: so obsessed with awards or just with film, no, just
Speaker 1: with them, not even awards, Like what was the thing
Speaker 1: for you just like either growing up or even in
Speaker 1: your adult life that made you that. I mean, my
Speaker 1: answer for this is the same as it would be
Speaker 1: for the regular question without the awards, because it all
Speaker 1: came through that. I will say, this is dating myself.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm an old people listening, we can confirm kidding.
Speaker 1: So when I saw the first time I ever, like,
Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about the Oscars. My family was
Speaker 1: not into movies, and I was actually banned at the
Speaker 1: dinner table from talking about movies. My father would not
Speaker 1: let me talk about movies because you wouldn't stop, because
Speaker 1: I wouldn't stop once I started. So it made this
Speaker 1: rule when I was a little kid. He was like,
Speaker 1: you cannot talk about movies. What movies were you talking
Speaker 1: about as a kid. I don't even know, like probably
Speaker 1: I'm Disney. So but I saw this TV guide with
Speaker 1: like Oscar on the cover and Et and Gandhi and
Speaker 1: all these things, and I'm like, what's this shiny man?
Speaker 1: So it was night two and I first noticed the
Speaker 1: Oscar statue and I was like, what's this about? And
Speaker 1: I had seen it of course, of course, um, and
Speaker 1: then I made my parents gave me to Gandhi because
Speaker 1: I saw it on the cover of this thing, because
Speaker 1: you had to be completest. Yeah, even at that, as
Speaker 1: soon as I saw the statue, it was like this horrible,
Speaker 1: this shiny figure I must have. It's like when you
Speaker 1: think about that Et and Gandhi, we're being looked at
Speaker 1: like which one, which one? Which one? I'll put it.
Speaker 1: But it was literally just the image of the statue
Speaker 1: that like well, yeah, and with those five because they
Speaker 1: had the five best pictures or whatever. And I didn't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I watched the Oscars that year.
Speaker 1: I was like young, but I was just like, what
Speaker 1: is the sure because I remember a specific a couple
Speaker 1: of things from three like or I guess nineteen four
Speaker 1: the following year's Oscars. But that's a big peppie of mine.
Speaker 1: By the way, you need to call it by the
Speaker 1: year of the movie, some question, not by the year
Speaker 1: the Oscars. People come on, that's amateur It's very much
Speaker 1: amateur hour. Um, I think for us because Matt and
Speaker 1: I will always say that, like just Titanic dress when
Speaker 1: it just blew, like just that that was just like
Speaker 1: an amazing ceremony ride when she didn't win Best Actress
Speaker 1: because I didn't understand that she absolutely shouldn't, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, well, because who want that year
Speaker 1: I should have Allen Hunt? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1: You can't with Helen Hunt. I can't with that year's
Speaker 1: Best Actress, right, But anyway to should have been Helen
Speaker 1: a bottom carter for ing. Honestly, there's no better performance
Speaker 1: in the world than go into Greencots and Wizarding World
Speaker 1: and seeing how in the bottom Carter pop out of
Speaker 1: the wall and try to kill you. I will say that,
Speaker 1: how what's the giver? What's the theme park Oscar for that?
Speaker 1: You ever something for that? Because let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: She gets up in your grill, honey and with a
Speaker 1: your hair like that. You don't want to see that. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's so so scary. You know who's even better than
Speaker 1: Helen Hunt. Also that you're not nominated Julia Sucking Roberts
Speaker 1: for My Friend's Weather. To me, it's like Julia Roberts
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's so weird that her only nomination
Speaker 1: for being in romantic comedy was Pretty Woman, because it's
Speaker 1: like she improved on that several times. Nothing hill even
Speaker 1: that's scene in the stadium when she goes by and
Speaker 1: she's like, I got moved. You've never seen iconic it's amazing,
Speaker 1: or even at the gazebo. I'm sorry, but I have
Speaker 1: to read her for filth. Shonda rhymes stolen, pick me,
Speaker 1: choose me, love me from that movie. It's stolen, it's lifted.
Speaker 1: It's lifted from from from that scene marry me, marry me,
Speaker 1: let me make you happy. That sounds like two questions
Speaker 1: and even just going into the bathroom to chase down Cameron.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean in exchange, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: just the way that Julia roberts, here's the information from whatever?
Speaker 1: That like, who's chasing you? No one, She's like in
Speaker 1: her face, she's just like realizes how crazy she is
Speaker 1: and like that. He's right. And also this started one
Speaker 1: of my biggest pet peeves. Rouper Everett was not nominated
Speaker 1: for that movie. They don't respect the gays when the
Speaker 1: gays play Gaze, No, they don't thank you. And instead
Speaker 1: we're gonna back after Army Hammer. Yeah, exactly. And also
Speaker 1: what do you think of calling about your name? I
Speaker 1: like it, yeah, but I I wish gay actress would
Speaker 1: get to play Do you think that Armie Hammer is
Speaker 1: miscast in that movie? Are you of that thought or
Speaker 1: are you liking him in the movie? I'm sort of
Speaker 1: in between. I mean, he's not the draw of the movie.
Speaker 1: For me. It's aim. I will say this, if someone
Speaker 1: else did that role that was a little bit better
Speaker 1: cast for it, I think we'd be a lot more excited.
Speaker 1: Not that I have a problem with Armie Hammer himself.
Speaker 1: I just think he looks too old to I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I think the age difference in that movie
Speaker 1: just to me, it wasn't it doesn't doesn't difference to me.
Speaker 1: It was just like the chemistry, yeah, and just the
Speaker 1: aloofness of that character, the way that it's he's written
Speaker 1: in the book, and not that it's gospel to stick
Speaker 1: to the book at all. But as I've said on
Speaker 1: this show, the movie is not is is good film,
Speaker 1: but not good adaptation. That's that's that's that's I guess
Speaker 1: that you have to decide which doesn't ye which I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, doesn't super count for anything at all,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I just it's interesting sometimes to
Speaker 1: use you read the book first, right, read the book,
Speaker 1: and you know my story about this, it's coming home
Speaker 1: from things, coming back to New York from Thanksgiving. Finished
Speaker 1: the book on the plane, like within seconds of us
Speaker 1: touching down, and I was like, I have to go
Speaker 1: see this tonight. I have to because I was so
Speaker 1: moved by the book, and I was like, I have
Speaker 1: to go. And of course it wasn't going to live
Speaker 1: up to the book and like you know, the emotional
Speaker 1: sort of contours of the book, and so I just
Speaker 1: went to the theater and I was like, this was bad.
Speaker 1: What a bad film? And it just ruined the whole
Speaker 1: thing for me. You didn't like it? You're a part
Speaker 1: of the Whispered network. HPJ is raising his hand on
Speaker 1: this podcast. But I have a question for it. Do
Speaker 1: you want to come on the Mica, come over here
Speaker 1: and join. I'm sorry, no, Now, what's going on? So
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Nathaniel. What's the greatest Oscar snub of all time? Oh?
Speaker 1: This is good. I want to get into these general questions. Yes,
Speaker 1: forget calling bout your name. We've had this fucking conversation.
Speaker 1: You mean, winning or not nominated or not nominated? You
Speaker 1: must have a stock answer for this. Maybe you don't,
Speaker 1: but I mind I have. I do have stock answers
Speaker 1: for this, and I'm going blank my biggest I want
Speaker 1: to I do want to say, and I know I'm
Speaker 1: always like beating a dead horse. Please the worst snob
Speaker 1: ever for me for the win Michelle Fiver and fabulous
Speaker 1: Baker Boys. Yeah for sure, for sure, And that was
Speaker 1: who won that year, Jessica Tandy and driving his stay
Speaker 1: fucking Cares. I could be snarky in the back of
Speaker 1: a car. I really can, because when the answer I
Speaker 1: had originally prepared for the what made you know culture
Speaker 1: was for for you was Michelle f I f around
Speaker 1: the piano top and seared into my brain to such
Speaker 1: an extent that I could not stop thinking about movies
Speaker 1: from then on. Basically, yeah, I mean that's an iconic image.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I mean the fact that she doesn't have
Speaker 1: like something, it's so strange. She won everything leading up
Speaker 1: to you. It's so bizarre interesting they didn't they didn't
Speaker 1: have as many awards back then. Sure, but she won
Speaker 1: all the major film critics awards like the Golden Globe, everything,
Speaker 1: you know, they just she was just on Jessica. She
Speaker 1: was on the red carpet with that David Kelly, and
Speaker 1: they were like, what are we going to get her
Speaker 1: apart and and and big little Lies, And she was
Speaker 1: just like, I mean, I'm so much better than all
Speaker 1: she is. She is talking about someone who is just
Speaker 1: like Hollywood. A like just when they cut to her
Speaker 1: when big Little Eyes, she was just she was like cool.
Speaker 1: She was like, I have a story that I must
Speaker 1: share about like Hollywood. And even going back to Tanya
Speaker 1: Harding and Nancy Carrigan and Michelle Feiffer Okay. I was
Speaker 1: invited to the premiere of the Story of Us. Now
Speaker 1: you have to go way back in the time, and
Speaker 1: she has like nine and so I get there and
Speaker 1: they had had some sort of mix up, so it
Speaker 1: was like, are you going to get into the theater
Speaker 1: or not? But they had This was the Zig Field,
Speaker 1: which is now closed sad. I didn't know that, so um,
Speaker 1: and it was like the best place for premieres in
Speaker 1: New York because they actually had room to have like
Speaker 1: the limos pull up and all that stuff. They could
Speaker 1: roll it out so that all the stars were showing up,
Speaker 1: like Bruce Willis and Michelle Favor and all those people.
Speaker 1: And every single time, so I ended up plastered against
Speaker 1: the window of the theater because it's huge. It used
Speaker 1: to be the huge windows you could see all the
Speaker 1: stars when the red carpet stuff, and every single block.
Speaker 1: Women that came in, these sucking bitches standing around me
Speaker 1: were like and I would be like, how how did
Speaker 1: I How did I miss her? When I'm like her
Speaker 1: biggest fan, And this one woman was like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: that is Axana by you? How are you going to
Speaker 1: confuse by you? That's real number. That is Michelle how
Speaker 1: dare I had to home she was a miniaturized half
Speaker 1: version of Michelle Phifer at best. Any blonde that walked in,
Speaker 1: they would show it's Michelle Fifer. That that's that's abusive,
Speaker 1: that's racist. Yeah, as a person of color, I can
Speaker 1: say with authority that's racist. Yeah, that is racist. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, well wait, hold on, does this make you mad?
Speaker 1: Crash winning Oscar for Best Picture. That was actually one
Speaker 1: of my more famous moments as a pundant. Yes, you
Speaker 1: got a lot of people on the online talking about
Speaker 1: how enraged I was, and somebody, somebody even called me
Speaker 1: a self loading homosexual. Oh my god, because I was
Speaker 1: so upset and why is he taking it so personally? Know,
Speaker 1: you would be self loading homosexual for rooting for Crash
Speaker 1: over broke back, you fucking idea? That was what a
Speaker 1: dumb thing for them to say. Honestly, that was that
Speaker 1: was truly stupid, and that I think that made me say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not putting as much stock in this anymore, Like
Speaker 1: it's not the illusion was broken. I guess it was
Speaker 1: the first time I realized the world isn't fair. I
Speaker 1: broke back, lost, might do good things happen? To bad movies. Um,
Speaker 1: that's a good question. Yeah, that's a really good question.
Speaker 1: That's just that's that might even be the title of
Speaker 1: this episode. Do good things happened to bad movies? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: I will say I definitely hope we're not in for
Speaker 1: a boring Oscar year. I really don't want I don't
Speaker 1: want to see um three billboards when I mean, I
Speaker 1: think I think it's for the post You think that
Speaker 1: would be boring, I mean it would, And I actually
Speaker 1: think that's why it's having such a roller coaster thing
Speaker 1: because it's like state school. It's like previously what would
Speaker 1: have been like right right, right, right right? The big
Speaker 1: thing it's it's yeah, it's part of this referendum that
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's like old versus new. It's like
Speaker 1: do you want to do you want to vote for
Speaker 1: something that stands for the way things used to work.
Speaker 1: I do think that The post Um is a nice
Speaker 1: movie because it's about the press, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: about like the press speaking truth to power and that's
Speaker 1: kind of cool. But yeah, I mean they said it
Speaker 1: all and that joke with Amy that the Golden Clothes
Speaker 1: I felt was hilarious. When Seth Marris was like, it's
Speaker 1: a drama directed by Steven Schilburg and Starry Tom Hanks
Speaker 1: and Meryl Streep and the girl comes out with the
Speaker 1: armful of Yeah, it's funny to me, I thought. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, of course it's going to win everything,
Speaker 1: and then it didn't. Also, just as a movie, um,
Speaker 1: just that last that third act made no sense where
Speaker 1: it was like Tom Hankster's up to Meryll's house and
Speaker 1: it was like we might go to prison, and then
Speaker 1: cut to like the Supreme Court rolling everything, like the
Speaker 1: stakes were immediately dropped. That's like, what have a great showman?
Speaker 1: When they were like, oh no, everything burned down and
Speaker 1: we lost all the money. Wait, hold on, we can
Speaker 1: still do it, and then they literally just did it.
Speaker 1: I was like what, Yeah, it's like Efron was almost dead,
Speaker 1: they lost all the money, ship burned down. Wait hold on,
Speaker 1: actually dot dot dot and all of a sudden there's
Speaker 1: a none of this matters spoiler alert alert for everyone
Speaker 1: gets waited this varnesty greatest Showman who was planning on
Speaker 1: seeing it next week. I guess, um, I would be
Speaker 1: gagged if this is me one an oscar and we
Speaker 1: got to see do you think she'll sing it with
Speaker 1: the beard on the oscars or do you think Kesh
Speaker 1: would come in and know if they get cash to
Speaker 1: sing that song, that would be a slap in the
Speaker 1: face to Kiolla. It needs miss Kialla Settle. It's actually
Speaker 1: rule number fifty three of culture Settle. I butchered the
Speaker 1: name a little bits, okay um. I don't think she listens.
Speaker 1: I don't think she's thinking about it. Sure, she's too
Speaker 1: busy refreshing the hits on that one viral video she
Speaker 1: has now, uh the rehearsal of the Greatest Showman? Have
Speaker 1: you seen that? There's a point where she's singing it
Speaker 1: and she goes over and Hugh Jackman's they're like watching
Speaker 1: her and she to break down in the bridge when
Speaker 1: she's like I've heard about and she goes over and
Speaker 1: like grabs his hand and she's like looking at Hugh
Speaker 1: like they've been friends their whole fucking life, and she's
Speaker 1: like connecting with him and he's like, yes, honey, like
Speaker 1: give it all. You got cameras. The cameras are there,
Speaker 1: cameras are there. He was feeling that he got up dancing. Also,
Speaker 1: did you see the clip of so he had like
Speaker 1: I guess like a skin cancer removed from his face,
Speaker 1: so he couldn't sing that day. So they brought in
Speaker 1: Jeremy Jordan to do all of his parts, and he's
Speaker 1: singing the song, um from now on. That was my
Speaker 1: best shoot Jacumen impression. That was pretty good, not bad, um,
Speaker 1: thank you. But so Jeremy starts to sing the song
Speaker 1: and he was like standing beside him because they said
Speaker 1: he could you just like stand up and act it
Speaker 1: with your face because the buyers are here, like let's
Speaker 1: sell the movie. He's like sitting there and he's listening
Speaker 1: to the song and he just like is crying a
Speaker 1: single tire. And then he just starts singing, like against
Speaker 1: the wishes of his doctor, because he was supposed to
Speaker 1: be there and like not sing but then he just
Speaker 1: starts singing it from this place of like passion that
Speaker 1: you wish you possessed, Like Hugh Jackman just buys into
Speaker 1: this bullshit so much. He's singing this song, honey, he
Speaker 1: is belting. He and all the cast is like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, except Jeremy Jordan is stond They're like, am
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this now? Like my check the same,
Speaker 1: like what's what's good with this? You know what, that's
Speaker 1: a lot of storytelling in one video. It was. It
Speaker 1: was crazy. Also, that's why I like the movie. It's
Speaker 1: too much when during this is me also rewrite the
Speaker 1: Stars that number I got my life? And also I
Speaker 1: thought zac eFront was maybe one of the best things
Speaker 1: about the movie and the greatest seen in acting this
Speaker 1: year is when zac Efron goes, you brought joy into
Speaker 1: my life. Okay, all right, it's better than anything you've
Speaker 1: ever done. You've ever done, You've ever done, and I've
Speaker 1: ever done, and anyone that listens to this, you haven't
Speaker 1: done anything as good as Zach Effron. And rewrite and
Speaker 1: we write the Stars and Greatest Showman. Okay, let's move
Speaker 1: on to let's move on to I don't think so, honey, um,
Speaker 1: I think are we gonna Are we gonna make this
Speaker 1: and give this ecentric? I don't think so, because I
Speaker 1: definitely have one great Okay, cool, I've got one. But
Speaker 1: do you want to I went first last week? You
Speaker 1: want to go first? This time? I could go first. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this is one minute to rail against something in culture,
Speaker 1: for this one, for this installment, something in cinema. Maybe
Speaker 1: this year, maybe at large or just you know, without
Speaker 1: what I have topical topic, topical topics. So this is
Speaker 1: topical fish I'm thinking of. By the way, RuPaul's Gregory
Speaker 1: is All Stars come back real soon. And guess what, guys,
Speaker 1: we're going to be recapping it for Vulture, were recapping
Speaker 1: for Vulture jointly. It'll be very fun that in America's
Speaker 1: Next Time Model. Um so read up on Vulture. Great.
Speaker 1: So this is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Not
Speaker 1: Mark Wahlberg, but anyone who puts Mark Wahlberg in a movie.
Speaker 1: Here's the deal. You have never ever ever seen Mark
Speaker 1: Wallberg give a truthful piece of acting in his life.
Speaker 1: He's always Mark Wahlberg trying really hard and try as
Speaker 1: hard as he might, He's never going to give you
Speaker 1: the realness an Oscar nomination for The Departed, like yeah
Speaker 1: for like standing there and saying the lines no, thank you, honey,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Also, he is good in
Speaker 1: Boogie Nights by Accident, just like January Jones and Madman
Speaker 1: by Accident. I'm sorry all credit, and he is exempt
Speaker 1: from this I don't think so, honey, because of course
Speaker 1: you want to cast Mark Wahlberg as a porn star.
Speaker 1: That works for me. Mark Wahlberg is all up in
Speaker 1: all the Money in the world, which is kind of
Speaker 1: an ironic title. And also I just want to say
Speaker 1: he can't possibly um be saving this movie from himself.
Speaker 1: First of all, Ridley Scott, I would have like a
Speaker 1: little bit of sympathy for you had you like cast
Speaker 1: another actor, but you show that you don't care about
Speaker 1: your movie when you put Mark Wahlbrick in. It is
Speaker 1: a money thing, and I don't trust anyone that's jumps
Speaker 1: onto the Transformers franchise in the fourth film. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey, anyone. And that's one minute. Oh my goodness. Sorry,
Speaker 1: but like to pretend he's a good actor is insane,
Speaker 1: Like he's never done anything worth it on screen really
Speaker 1: except look like Mark Wahlburg, which you know what says
Speaker 1: a lot. And he also has disowned The Boogie Nights,
Speaker 1: which is its only claim to its insanee. Also, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but he said he could stop nine eleven and he
Speaker 1: blinded a fucking Vietnamese man. Look, there's so much with
Speaker 1: Mark Wahlbrick. It's so funny that only now people are like,
Speaker 1: actually fucked this guy. No, actually fucked this guy for
Speaker 1: producing Entourage. Actually fucked this guy for producing anything like
Speaker 1: any anything else where. I'm sorry, but it's a group
Speaker 1: of men and the joke is, oh, there's Come on
Speaker 1: the floor over there, like I'm so over these bro series.
Speaker 1: I love this that that's the catch all sort of images.
Speaker 1: There's come on the floor. Yeah, it's like that movie
Speaker 1: with what's his face? Miles Teller who I can't stand
Speaker 1: and Zach Gefan and Michael B. Jordan's like that movie
Speaker 1: where they were all like three dudes. Who fuck? That
Speaker 1: was like it you know what I mean. It's like
Speaker 1: these movies where it's like, oh, dude, my boner won't
Speaker 1: go down. It's like, I don't want to see this
Speaker 1: ship and literally who is the man that produces all
Speaker 1: that kind of garbage? Mark wa So like, directors of Hollywood,
Speaker 1: stop buying into it. Just don't give him the fucking check.
Speaker 1: It's insane that we'n't even putting Goddess Michelle Williams on
Speaker 1: the same keel as like Mark Wahlberg. It doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense. I mean no, okay, and and this is
Speaker 1: this is the longest you've gone to like extrapolate beyond
Speaker 1: your minute. Well, because I did. I did what I
Speaker 1: did last week too, which is I started by I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey as one thing, and then I
Speaker 1: realized it was about another. I should have just said
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Mark Wahlberg, that's really my problem,
Speaker 1: I think because if he didn't exist, then directors wouldn't
Speaker 1: be putting him in movies, and therefore I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: a problem with them. He made him the object and
Speaker 1: not the subject. You right, I have to more be
Speaker 1: more active and was passive. There you go, Okay, all right, okay,
Speaker 1: I think I'm ready. Mrs Bowen Yang's I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey, and his time starts right now. I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey. Alexander Payne for saying that Hong Chow
Speaker 1: is Vietnamese for scene stealer, What the fuck take those
Speaker 1: kinds of racist jokes when you were married to Sandra, Oh,
Speaker 1: new piece of shit. I refuse to see downsize. Even
Speaker 1: if I had the screener in front of me, I
Speaker 1: would chuck that at the fucking window, or I would
Speaker 1: give it to I would give it to some street
Speaker 1: salesman in Chinatown and see and say, you know what,
Speaker 1: I hope you make twenty dollars off of this, sir. Look,
Speaker 1: Alexander Payne has put all of us through so much.
Speaker 1: I never want to see. I never want to talk
Speaker 1: about Sideways and never want to think about it again.
Speaker 1: I never want to think about the Descendants again. I
Speaker 1: never want to think about his stupid sis head older
Speaker 1: men centric of films ever. Again, I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: Alexander Paine. Seconds. Don't you make a mockery of Hon
Speaker 1: Chow's name when she's the only redeeming thing about your film?
Speaker 1: How do I know that? Without without seeing the film?
Speaker 1: Matt saw it exact How we know so? I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey, Alexander pain disgusting piece of ship director
Speaker 1: who will not amount to anything after this huge stain
Speaker 1: on your filmography and your conscience. And that's one minute seconds. Listen,
Speaker 1: Downsizing is interesting for the first hour and then becomes
Speaker 1: fully insane. Did you agree? Yeah? Well, and but Ngo
Speaker 1: is amazing that she is incredible. I'm not that's but
Speaker 1: but I we can confirm that Hung Chow is not
Speaker 1: Vietnamese first scene stealer. Like I get that it's a compliment,
Speaker 1: but like, just call her a scene stealer. Just say God,
Speaker 1: say it was great. Yeah, that's that's all it takes.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't how about if you're making
Speaker 1: a movie like that that you're willing to change in
Speaker 1: every act because it becomes a different movie. And how
Speaker 1: about realized it should be all about her because she's
Speaker 1: the interesting parton and then changed the movie? Truly insane
Speaker 1: to pretend that Kristin Wig is in it right, Like,
Speaker 1: she is not in it. She's not in it. She
Speaker 1: took a weekend off and did that movie. And also,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what when that movie fully lost itself
Speaker 1: was that zany music it was playing when when during
Speaker 1: the reveal that she didn't go through with it, they
Speaker 1: like boop doop doop doop doop. That's like happening while
Speaker 1: he's like on the phone with Christen Wig finding out
Speaker 1: that she didn't do it. It's like, yeah, this movie
Speaker 1: totally is a fucking garbage heep. I think it's important
Speaker 1: to say that Nathaniel just basically script doctor to that
Speaker 1: movie in two sentences there you go. So that would
Speaker 1: be another side line of work for me, which is
Speaker 1: so if anybody needs a script doctor, honestly, listen, this
Speaker 1: is someone who knows this stuff. One very good one
Speaker 1: passed away last year, so we need another one who's that.
Speaker 1: Ms carry Fisher famously script script doctor and no one
Speaker 1: really knows that. Yeah, and famously wrote lots of novels
Speaker 1: which a lot of I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: haven't read, but are amazing. Yeah. She was in my
Speaker 1: list of like culture things her book Big Surrender the Pink,
Speaker 1: which was after Postcards from the Edge, even better than
Speaker 1: Postcards from Wow, they should make that into a film,
Speaker 1: then they should Surrender the Pink. I haven't seen Postcards
Speaker 1: from the Edge. I should see that. Have you seen
Speaker 1: Thelma and Louise Famous? This is one of our Oh
Speaker 1: my god, this is one of the big things we
Speaker 1: have to do and watch that. I've never seen it.
Speaker 1: That's my favorite movie ever. I think it's the best.
Speaker 1: It's a really Scott film, which makes me say, really,
Speaker 1: I know you're better than this. And I'm someone that
Speaker 1: even like Prometheus, I didn't hate. Did he direct the
Speaker 1: latest the latest movie at the Covenant movie? No he
Speaker 1: didn't do that one. He didn't do that one. He
Speaker 1: did Prometheus, which I liked. He's very hit and miss.
Speaker 1: He's super hit and miss, but when he hits, I
Speaker 1: think he's like among the best. But also he's working
Speaker 1: with like a fucking historically good script on Delman and Louise,
Speaker 1: and it's really kind of co directed by by Susan
Speaker 1: and Gena. I think you think so. I think you
Speaker 1: know that Palm Door Winner a few years back. Blue
Speaker 1: is the warmest color. How they the jury decided that
Speaker 1: the actresses should also have the wow the director and
Speaker 1: both addresses that should have been thumb on Louise. I
Speaker 1: think I think I might agree for the oscars. So
Speaker 1: would you call yourself a Susan strand an apologist? Not
Speaker 1: after the election? I can only take it so far, yea, God,
Speaker 1: Dolman and Louise only takes you so far exactly. I
Speaker 1: would say I'd be interested in smoking and getting very
Speaker 1: high with Shusans random because she looks like a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. It looks like someone who definitely knows her
Speaker 1: way around marijuana, and that's it. Like, and then I
Speaker 1: probably would be like, oh, that was like really strange,
Speaker 1: because like she would say some crazy shit like Bernie,
Speaker 1: uh could like solve cancer or something could solve cancer.
Speaker 1: We thought we had friends who've worked with her who
Speaker 1: have had nothing but nice things to say. All right, Nathaniel,
Speaker 1: this is this is big. Are you ready not to
Speaker 1: put pressure on you? This is going to be sure.
Speaker 1: I'm ready. I didn't prepare anything. Awards. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know what you know, and this is a
Speaker 1: top of mind for you. You know, it's like it'll
Speaker 1: you know, it's there, It's all there. You just have
Speaker 1: to skim and don't feel free to not go as
Speaker 1: fast as we went, because we famously speak faster than
Speaker 1: we can think, and we can't think very fast, whereas
Speaker 1: I think you have an incredibly fast mind. Yes, and
Speaker 1: maybe just maybe just just you know, speaking more once
Speaker 1: and and Nathaniel's sharpness will will take him all the
Speaker 1: way here. Absolutely we're getting we're getting pre color commentary.
Speaker 1: But can I break the rules and not making about
Speaker 1: awards you this is drag. This is drag. Okay, there
Speaker 1: are no rules. Okay, this is a Nathaniel. Okay, we're
Speaker 1: about to kick this off. This is a Nathaniel. Nathaniel
Speaker 1: Rodgers is I don't think so, honey. His time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. It is January, and every
Speaker 1: January I have to start the year hearing Frank Sinatra's
Speaker 1: New York, New York. Oh and it was written for
Speaker 1: fucking Liza Manella, Yes, and it should be Liza minell A.
Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra is always stealing from the man Eli's because
Speaker 1: they also call him. I know he's dead, but I
Speaker 1: don't care, because the world's greatest entertainer that none of
Speaker 1: this heteronormative bullshit that is Judy Garland. So now he's starts.
Speaker 1: He stole that title posthumously but still stolen, still stolen
Speaker 1: on the less and that's Judy's. And then it takes
Speaker 1: New York, New York signature song from lizam l A
Speaker 1: and it bugs me. Every January is when I get
Speaker 1: worked up about it. So I just wanted to share
Speaker 1: it with I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute,
Speaker 1: you know what, and also an education because I truly
Speaker 1: you would never even know Liza was the was the
Speaker 1: was the one because it is constantly associated and wrongfully
Speaker 1: accredited to Frank. Wow. Wow, that's the first thing we
Speaker 1: hear every year and that's why the world sucks. That
Speaker 1: and it's and it's and it's every year you realize
Speaker 1: the world sucks because Frank sings it and it's not his.
Speaker 1: It's like when when the ball drops and you have
Speaker 1: this euphoric feeling of a new year, but something is wrong.
Speaker 1: It's because of what's playing that's right. And it's like,
Speaker 1: you guys know the filmmaker Boostlo Bruce. Okay, he's a
Speaker 1: gay in d filmmaker, love him. Um So he has
Speaker 1: this movie called Radsbury Reich. And one of the things
Speaker 1: that the activists are always saying is heterosexualities that OPI
Speaker 1: out of the masses. And that is why it's always
Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra's voice instead of lives. Oh my god, that's
Speaker 1: I believe. Okay. I have a question, is did Judy
Speaker 1: Garland biopic with Anne Hathaway still happening. Oh that's another
Speaker 1: thing I was going to bring up in this whole Yeah,
Speaker 1: is I was at a party for Lame Miss and
Speaker 1: I was super super six. I didn't want to breathe
Speaker 1: on Anne Hathaway because I worship her. Yeah, you like,
Speaker 1: and but I don't. We do not need any more
Speaker 1: Judy Garland biopics. That's right, we have about Judy Davis. Um,
Speaker 1: we have had plenty, but Anne Hathaway should be starting
Speaker 1: at elizaman Ali biopic. And so I said, so I
Speaker 1: said this at my table that I was sitting at
Speaker 1: this lay miss thing. And Robert Wool is that the
Speaker 1: kind of art lists? Right? He's at my table and
Speaker 1: he gets up and goes to Anne Hathaway and tells
Speaker 1: her that he took credit from my idea. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Robert comes back to the table and say, oh, I
Speaker 1: told her, I told her that thing about life. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, Roberto, Robert will Well too bad.
Speaker 1: We have to search for that fucking credit. Arlists. Sandra
Speaker 1: has moved on from that. Why don't you Robert? My
Speaker 1: favorite joke ever in thirty Rock. This is a lie.
Speaker 1: It's a joke from the direct but I like and
Speaker 1: Jack Donicky's like, what am I going to do? Listen
Speaker 1: to some Cable Ace Award winner and Jane Krikhowsky goes,
Speaker 1: I was great in that art lists. That's good. That's
Speaker 1: really good. So good. An should be in an Eliza
Speaker 1: biopaque anyway, Um, this has been so great. I want
Speaker 1: to say that I was literally scrolling through your website
Speaker 1: like I do every single day, and I saw that
Speaker 1: you had posted my web sceries called Power Couple that
Speaker 1: I did with Studie Green and Bone was in the
Speaker 1: episode as well, and I had a literal heart attack
Speaker 1: because I don't expect anyone's taste more than yours. I
Speaker 1: think that I think this website is so good. I
Speaker 1: just it gives me so much joy every day. It's
Speaker 1: literally I go to Facebook, I go to Gmail, I
Speaker 1: go to you, and I go to this website called
Speaker 1: screamscape dot com about theme parks. Sure interesting, are you
Speaker 1: a theme park? Gay? Um? I have been to the
Speaker 1: Disney Kay Days twice. Wonderful. That's about But that's about well. Listen, listen,
Speaker 1: this is you. You figure very prominently into Matt's life
Speaker 1: to my life now. It's wonderful. So thank you so much,
Speaker 1: and we can't wait for the Film Bitch Awards, yes,
Speaker 1: coming soon, very soon, and for your top ten? Now?
Speaker 1: Do you try to do the Film Awards before everything happened?
Speaker 1: Everything hits? I try to do them before the Oscar
Speaker 1: nominations because I don't because the years I've done them
Speaker 1: after on accident. People have been like, oh, you're just
Speaker 1: you're just trying to be a contrarian. Clocks ticket it's in.
Speaker 1: It's very like to be a contrarian. Oh, I would say,
Speaker 1: we all do. It's which is the next person? Um,
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the film Thatch Awards, can't wait
Speaker 1: for the for the Top ten. I just want to
Speaker 1: say again, it's the film Experience dot net and you
Speaker 1: know what, light I don't think so honey to square
Speaker 1: Space because Natanie was telling me, can can we say
Speaker 1: this on the air. Squarespace has categorized at the film
Speaker 1: Experience dot net as a legacy site in terms of
Speaker 1: the just the layout and the design, you know, the
Speaker 1: designs whatever the layout. Um, and they're not giving him
Speaker 1: the support that he needs that he and his staff
Speaker 1: of writers need. So everybody should be donating to the
Speaker 1: site then, And he didn't ask space on squares space
Speaker 1: and say, you know what, you make it very easy
Speaker 1: to make a site, but you don't make it easy
Speaker 1: to love you. Um. I want to say that Bowen
Speaker 1: and I along beside Dave Mazzoni, are going to be
Speaker 1: in Chicago this weekend. We're gonna be doing our our
Speaker 1: show game show that Dave and I host, and Bone
Speaker 1: is going to be the wise queer on that show.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. And I will also be performing at
Speaker 1: Paper Machete at the Green Mill on Saturday of the
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. My favorite, my favorite joys I've ever done.
Speaker 1: So come out, Chicago, We're coming out. It's going to
Speaker 1: be very cold time, is it? Yeah? Where will we
Speaker 1: go after Scarlett le Berlin? What's the good one? Scarlett?
Speaker 1: We gotta do so we're gonna go to Scarlett, but
Speaker 1: leave us alone, no, check us out? Um? I think
Speaker 1: we're at nine pm on Friday, the Saturday as part
Speaker 1: of the Chicago Sketch Comedy Festival. We're very excited, so
Speaker 1: thank you so much, Nathaniel. This is so fun to
Speaker 1: have you. Um. Okay, we always end with a song.
Speaker 1: Here we go. Dude, dude, dude, due. We are peaking
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