1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why why and look 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: over there? How is that? Yes? Goodness, let's calling. I 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: have something to call out. Speaking of calling, let's call 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: something out. Okay, back up with us in the studio, 5 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: in a in a you know, really getting his hands 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: dirty today is hot producer Joe. It's almost like he's 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: been too good for us lately. Now, well the opposite. 8 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: Oh oh no, that's not so. I think what I think. 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: What I think the what's been happening lately, listeners is 10 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: that hot producer Joe, Hot produce Alex will just poke 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: their heads and be like, hey you guys, good, okays good, 12 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: We're gonna go do to whatever the funk else we 13 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: do with our lives. And I leave us with Will, 14 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: who's wonderful. But you know, it's not that Will is 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: not family. It's just that you know your family, and 16 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: for you to abandon us, I would just be curious 17 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: to see what the what the listeners out there thinking 18 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: about hp J, HPJ being distant. hPG is just sort 19 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: of been canonized in this way, and for him to 20 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: just leave is unconscionable. Okay, well we'll talk about this later, 21 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: but listen, it's irresponsible because what you don't know what 22 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna say. We're running them up anyway as awards 23 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: season heats up. Oh my god, well yes, please keep going. 24 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a little I'm a little like what what 25 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 1: is your what is your status? Right now? I'm itching 26 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: to talk about this. Okay, this is and we're all 27 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: about to get an education too. We truly are, Okay. 28 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: So I was just saying as I came in here, 29 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever been so gagged for the 30 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: guests because literally, like, and what I'm saying is I 31 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: don't give a funk about any of you've had on 32 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: the show. That's what I'm saying. No. But in addition, 33 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: I have been on this gentleman's website since I since 34 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: for like the past eleven years, and I'm gonna date 35 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: myself by saying I think the first time I was like, 36 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with this website was when there was full 37 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: articles and like, um props be given to Kirsten Dunces 38 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: performance in Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mines. That's when 39 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: I knew you were my number one. Oh my god, 40 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: And you know why I always say Kirston Dunce makes 41 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: it look easy. I got that from our guests because 42 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: I was like, she does make it look easy, especially 43 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: in that movie. Completely underappreciated across the board for almost 44 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: everything she's ever done. She is and that character is 45 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: integral to the plot. Huge and oh my god, Kirsten 46 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: was so good and she and she did and she 47 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: played high and drunk really well. Remember, yeah, almost makes 48 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: it look easy. And I will say it's rule of 49 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: culture number what fourteen seventy is? Kirston makes it look easy. 50 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: And we talked about this about the Beguiled Man. I 51 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: don't really understand why not in the conversation kind of 52 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: just seeing well we could talk about this because we 53 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: literally have the best person to talk about this with. Okay, 54 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: this is this is someone who basically invented oscar prognostication. Well, 55 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: I mean we we have to we would say what 56 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: he says about that, but I love it. I think 57 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: I would like to say he invented it or just 58 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: the modern the modern sort of discourse he has he 59 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: has he has created for me. Yes, yeah, um, what 60 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: were that's his cred I'm starting the credits and you know, yes, Okay, 61 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: So I want everyone to be logging on, especially to 62 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: the rest of the season and also of the Oscar 63 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: season and of course all year round. I'm on it 64 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: every day, the Film Experience dot Net. I'm telling you, 65 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: it's the most um in depth film coverage. UM. There's 66 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: lots of websites out there. You've got your Goal Derby, 67 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: you got your awards daily for you Oscar gays out there. UM, 68 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: this I think is the website with the most dimension 69 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: that cares the most. It's for me, you know, I've 70 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: nothing's nothing stuck with me in this way. And I'm 71 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: a recent converts. I know I got you into it. 72 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: You got me into it, especially this season this year. Um. 73 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: And he has the accompanying podcast, Film Experience Podcasts, and 74 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: he will release his upcoming film Bitch Awards. So this 75 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: actually I believe that Kirsten Dunns was gold medalist in 76 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: the Film Bitch Awards years ago for Eternal Sunshine. And 77 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: I was like, yes, because no one is paying any 78 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: attention to Houston. And also the categories are amazing. You 79 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: have like, um, Hottest Hottie of the Year, you have uh, 80 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: like there's like a fifteen or two twenty, like best 81 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: Scenes of the year, which I can't believe. I can't 82 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: believe Awards don't do get this too. Yeah, so there's 83 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: not only supporting categories, right, limited performance categories like someone 84 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: that comes in and just slays one scene right right right? 85 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: Like here, who are we talking about last week? Um? Betty, Betty, Gabriel, 86 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: Gabriel get out? Oh my god, she slaid that one scene. 87 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: I can't keep talking about this without him. Okay, so 88 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: let's introduce our guest, Nathaniel Rogers. Hello, hy Nathaniel, Hello, 89 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: Hi is first of all, listen. Uh, this is like 90 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: a little atypical. We usually have like a New York 91 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: area comedians on, but I feel like we're here to 92 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: give everyone an education in terms of how the Awards 93 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: season shakes out. And it is our honor and the 94 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: listeners honor to be listening to some want to talk 95 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: about this at length, in depth, and to have to 96 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: have Nathaniel here with us. So this is our privilege. 97 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: Just so you know, I'm very scared, don't you have to? 98 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: Did you know you have stands? Did you know you 99 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: have fans out there that are like really obsessed? Yes, 100 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: I've been stopped in movie theaters. You have and on 101 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: the streets of other cities, but not not in New 102 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: York so much. Okay, so listen, um, I bet that 103 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: people that see you in movie theaters know that you're 104 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: cultivating an opinion that is then going to influence the masses, 105 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 1: and so they feel like very nervous to see what 106 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: it isolated with theater. I think I would just leave 107 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: you alone. No, they're like, what did you think about? 108 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,239 Speaker 1: They want, you know, the scoop, They want the scoop. 109 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: They want to know what's gonna So listen. So are 110 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: you in the Broadcast Film Critics Association, so you get 111 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: to vote for the recent awards. How are you feeling 112 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: about how it check out? Well, I'm always a little 113 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: nervous about that show because it's one of the things 114 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: you want to be like proud of it, I remember, 115 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: but always like a little like yeah yeah, because you 116 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: have a direct line to it in some ways, yeah yeah. 117 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: But you don't get to really decide on a lot 118 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: of like the rules. And they're constantly changing their categories, 119 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: which is a little embarrassing because consistency is key. Oscar 120 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: is the king or the main right, because it's been 121 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: the same right relatively relatively but like you know, ninety 122 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: years now, like you have two in order to have 123 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: that power and that have to you have to be 124 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: an institution of course. So yeah, so I think, I 125 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: guess we could say the big winner of the Broadcast 126 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: Film Critics Awards, but now they're just called the Critics 127 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: Choice Awards right on mainstream the Shape of Water, Shape 128 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: of Water, and yeah, shape of Water and I and 129 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: the snub of the night was Ladybird just across the 130 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: walk away with sectors with nothing with nothing. Yeah, um 131 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: but yeah shape of Water, which, like I guess and 132 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: I think and just reading reading Nathanial site reading Film Experience, um, 133 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: like like it's I guess, I guess, like it's chances 134 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: are just even higher not it when the genre thing, 135 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: and it's because it's, yeah, where is your head at 136 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: right now about what the front runner is to win 137 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: Best Picture because it feels all over the place, but 138 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: also we feel like it's kind of centering in on 139 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: maybe two or three movies, Like where do you think 140 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: it's at right now? Well, it's very confusing right now 141 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: because people are it's in this war of like the 142 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: old and the new. Like I think at some point 143 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: someone's going to write a book. Maybe me, but somebody 144 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna write a book like Mark Harris, 145 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: who I love Pictures of a Revolution, which is about 146 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven and how the oscars and the movie 147 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: culture was shifting. That year was like a pinpoint, pivotal year, 148 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: and I think that's gonna be written at some point 149 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: about this time period in the context of like Weinstein 150 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: stuff and right correct, maybe well, because everything seems to 151 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: be shifting, not just in the culture of Hollywood hopefully 152 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: we don't. We don't know the fallout of that. We 153 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: really don't, UM, but the types of movie that are nominated, 154 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: like absolutely in Moonlight that would not have been the 155 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: Best Picture winner ten years before that, UM and then 156 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: this year maybe get Out Maybe I think it really could. 157 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: I think it stands a chance because I think right 158 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: now what you're seeing with with all the awards bodies 159 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: that have kind of decided they're all. I feel like, 160 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: get Out is what you get when you combine all 161 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: these different things and you get a result, you know 162 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: what I mean. I think that across the board everybody 163 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: and every that does something in regards to film actors, writers, directors. 164 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: I think people that work in terms of like behind 165 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: the scenes and everything like that. I think everyone has 166 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: a respect for Get Out and Now, but that nix 167 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: it confusing because how does the movie win Best Picture. 168 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: I know that there's something to do with like everyone 169 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: having it be their favorite movie or listening at as 170 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: number one on the ballot. Like, it's very complicated. It's 171 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: not a straight vote, which it used to be, and 172 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: so that's why it's a little confusing. Like may be 173 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: La La Land would have won last year if there 174 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: was a straight vote, But what happens is you get 175 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: points for being number one and then points for being 176 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: number two and all that. So if you're a divisive 177 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: movie now it's actually harder to win the top prize, 178 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: right because not every like Best Actress isn't ranked, not ranked. No, 179 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: it's just like you're whoever gets the most number votes, 180 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: but Best Picture is ranked. So you know, if if some, 181 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: if lots of people hate you, even if the most 182 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: people loved you, you're not gonna win. That's so interesting. 183 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: I like, what's like, what's an example of that this 184 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: year of a divisive movie? Well, that's in the runt. 185 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 1: What do you think Three billboards, three billboards it's true, 186 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: and I think it is the most divisive movie of 187 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: the year in terms of the awards conversation. And you 188 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: really see a backlash now. I think people once they started, 189 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: once site started reporting, well, you know, it's now the 190 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: front runner after Golden Globes. So that's how it feels. 191 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: I think people immediately started to feel like we don't 192 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: want that, which was which was sort of the Lala 193 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: in narrative last year, right, And it's so interesting, like 194 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: like you read up on all the all of the 195 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: three billboards backlash and it's like some people are pointing 196 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: out how um Toronto like and just at Toronto it 197 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: did so well, but like that just speaks to how 198 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: like homogeneous of of a body like that festival is. 199 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: It's just like, oh, it's like a bunch of white 200 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: people who are like I think it's like a feel 201 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: good like it thinks it's like a nice little racial 202 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: salve or whatever, and you know you know what I mean. 203 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: It's like absolutely that is the criticism. And then it's 204 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: like but then you release that to like a general 205 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: audience and they're like, wait a minute, this is weird 206 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: and stupid. And I think that's why I personally am 207 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: gonna go out on the limb and give get Out 208 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: the edge to win, because I do think that people 209 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: are going to say, what I mean, that was my 210 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: favorite movie. I think if you had, if you had 211 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: to predict, now, what are we saying now? I would 212 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: maybe say Shape of Water because just because as it's 213 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: not divisive, like even people like me like I don't 214 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: love it, but I definitely don't dislike it, and it 215 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: would and it it's fine in every ways it does. 216 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: It doesn't upset me. You know, I'm not guy. I 217 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't rank it last on a ballot. It's a crowd 218 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: pleaser in that way where it's like there's nothing to 219 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: really hate. Although although it hasn't really caught on with 220 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: the public, if you look at the box office, it's 221 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: kind of like below Ladybird, Yeah, below three billboards right 222 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: right right. Um, I was talking. I was talking to 223 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: someone about this, and you know what I hate? What 224 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: do you hate? This is what I hate about Shape 225 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: of Water. They gave Octavia just nothing, nothing. They never 226 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: give her much, I know, but especially in this movie. 227 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: I mean in this film though half of her lines 228 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: are Eliza like you know what I mean? I would 229 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: I will hate it if she's nominated because I'm sorry, 230 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: but there's other performances that we're not even talking about, 231 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: like I will bring up Kirston again, like there's just 232 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: it seems like there's other like for I'm sorry, but 233 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: get Out doesn't work with that. Alison Williams is performance 234 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: and I've heard people say she's good in that movie 235 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: and good in Girls, the same way as January Jones 236 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: is good and Mad Memories. But I don't think that's true. 237 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: So I just think and I just think, like that's 238 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: such an insulting thing like that January Jones by accident, 239 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: which is sort of correct to level that on someone 240 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: else and be like what house and Williams is just 241 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: it's just it's just like what a fluke? That's that's 242 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: But the thing is, I think that would be such 243 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: a more exciting nomination than like I hate to do this, 244 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: but like Octavia for doing nothing and Mary j for 245 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: doing nothing bound yet she does nothing. Okay, um, do 246 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: you agree she does nothing? Well? But she doesn't so resonant. 247 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: She does nothing so beautifully that is, which is January. 248 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 1: She certainly looks good and like sunglasses and a hat. Does, 249 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: and she her like her best scene in the whole 250 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: movie is when Carrie Mulligan is very upset. But when 251 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: is Carrie mulan always got to be in some sort 252 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: of anguish on like it's at least on a six 253 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: or seven out of time, but they're like clenching and 254 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: embracing and Marry j By just perfect in that scene. 255 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: There's all these levels of like, yes, I'm giving you comfort, 256 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: but why do I have to give your comfort? You 257 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: know what? It's just surprising. It's like one of those 258 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: things at the end of the year where you're like, huh, 259 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: they've been appearing on every list, or like this is 260 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: something that's a thing or that like oh, this person 261 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: is not on every list. Similar to that, like for example, 262 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: why Holly Hunter and not right Romano? Um, you've just 263 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: said it by saying their names. I mean, but the 264 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: thing is that you can't take Ray like Ray Romano 265 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: at no point in his life is doing a mute 266 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: performance and winning an oscar you know what I mean? Yes, 267 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: you didn't see the piano. You must see the piano. 268 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about like sucking Sally or something. No, no, honey. 269 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: And also I don't know. I'm not. I just don't. 270 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: I don't get Sally Hawkins. Really, I don't think she's 271 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: got a star quality. But anyway, that's a whole other 272 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: can of worms, so listen. I just think Romano actually 273 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: it's a more versatile performance then Holly Hunter's. I think 274 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: Holly Hunter's performance is great, and I liked it even 275 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: more the second time I watched The Big Sick, but 276 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: I was like even more impressed with Ray Romano. The 277 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: second time was like, because it feels because Holly Hunter's 278 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: whole thing will go ahead, but that might not be. 279 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: That might be the surprise factor, which is also key 280 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: in Oscar racist like when an actor you're not expecting 281 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: anything from Yeah, like January Joe exactly. I mean if 282 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: she would get an Oscar nomination, that would be wild, 283 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: and it would happen if she was really good in 284 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: a movie, because people would be like, let me tell you, 285 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: it sure would. Well, she's doing a great job of 286 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: level setting and of just being like I'm not I'm 287 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: not going to be good at this. What the fun 288 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: is she doing right now? January? I have no clue, 289 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: do you know what? I don't? And I was a 290 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: huge fan of her. Look, I actually love her. I 291 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: love her on mad Men too, But once you see 292 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: her in like x Men, that she plays like whatever, 293 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: miss Frost, You're like, this bitch is only like come on, 294 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: like she sure, sure, sure, sure, I mean yeah, but 295 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: mad Men she's amazing. But also she meant definitely. And 296 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: there's also a scene in mad Men which I'm a 297 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: January Jones apologist half the time for this reason. Do 298 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: you remember you were a big mad Men fan? You 299 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: always covered me. I love that. I loved your analysis 300 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: is a mad Man because mad Men is very cinematic, 301 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: of course, and famously so. But there's a scene where 302 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: she thinks she's going to model again in and they 303 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: come over and they're like, actually you're not, and we're 304 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: going to need to take that necklace and she's like, 305 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: oh okay, and they take the necklace offer and her 306 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: eyes just filled with tears. It's like she's giving you 307 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: everything in that scene. Sure sure. And then also I 308 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: think it was like the finale of the season three 309 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: and she's gonna they're about to fight, and she's like 310 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: I want to scream at you, and it was just like, yeah, 311 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: you're so uncomfortable expressing yourself and so such a child 312 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: that like it just it was such an effort for 313 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: her to even say the words that she felt. You know, 314 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: maybe she was good, Nathaniel. Maybe you're right and she's 315 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: amazing on that show. Although I will hold it against 316 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: her forever and not Petty Draper or not sure not 317 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: January Jones. But sometimes you hold it against an actor 318 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: when they're playing the character, when they're playing a monster. Yes, absolutely, 319 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: where she dissed Joan Crawford in the show and the 320 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: best of everything, saying Joan Crawford wasn't even human, and 321 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: I was very riled up all it took. I'm not 322 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: saying that's all a check. I don't mean to minimize that, 323 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: but I mean, I unfortunately hold it against peg y 324 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: Olsen that Elizabeth Moss is a scientologist. Oh that's what 325 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: an interesting what a what a nice inversion? Yeahs or whatever? 326 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: Um No, But I mean, look, I just I just 327 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: had my my sag. I voted, and I did something 328 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: that I would like your take on. I voted without 329 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: seeing everything. You say, No, this is not good, lump, 330 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: I didn't. I'm not seeing three billboards that's I can 331 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: see it. Anytime because the screener is sitting there. But 332 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: it's just that kind of movie where I'm like, I 333 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: don't want to watch this, but it's it's entertaining. I 334 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: will say I found it entertaining, and my first response 335 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: of walking out of the theater was, oh, like, what 336 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: a fun way for Martin McDonough to do like Cohen 337 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: Brothers drag. Then like but then like you think about 338 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: this this you know, Amrockles Redemption arc and you're like, oh, 339 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: actually that was kind of sucked up. Well, that's the 340 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: thing is he's such a muscular writer that he can 341 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: get away with a lot until after the fact and 342 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, wait, that's exactly examination You're like, hold on, wait, 343 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: I was really on board for this to also shame 344 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: on me, right yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Um, oh 345 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: my god. I feel like we should pull up the 346 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: prediction index. But maybe not. I mean I would we 347 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: should do that. I would say, well, I just want 348 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: to ask you flat out like it, without taking off 349 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: the prognosticator cap, what what have you really enjoyed this year? 350 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: Not to spoil the film Bitch Awards which are forthcoming, 351 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: or your Top ten which you have not released this 352 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: right right, right, But can you talk about like this 353 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: is true? Okay, so this feeling so much guilt about 354 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: that right now? I mean, but I'm so late, That's okay, 355 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: that's okay. I will say this. Whenever you are late 356 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: on the film Bitch Awards, I get really mad. Like 357 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: whenever like I see a category is not full, or 358 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: like sometimes just the blocks will be like yellow, silver 359 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: and bronze or whatever, I'll be like, what is it? 360 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: Like I need to know called a life? I just 361 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: unfortunately don't and need that information. Life is what happens 362 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: in between the film bit works culture. But what are 363 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: you liking? I mean, like, what are you most excited 364 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: to seek a recognition? Well? This is this is the 365 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: happy ending of the year. The Ladybird got so much, 366 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: absolutely because I wasn't expecting it. And I love the movie. 367 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 1: I think it's terrific, amazing from start to finish everything 368 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: and I feel like Greta took not that she needed 369 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: from other people. But twentieth Century Women was my favorite 370 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: movie did get ranked number one for last year, which 371 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: I sort of agree work. I liked it very much. 372 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: I did a little bit more than Medlight, but all 373 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: that humanism. From that and from Mike Mills movies, and 374 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,719 Speaker 1: from her performances, you can feel her as an actor 375 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: within the movie even though she's not in it, which 376 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: is amazing. She has a presence. She's really got such 377 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: a song PV. I think the scene of the year, 378 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: he's I'm obsessed with this. I just think that nobody 379 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: has gotten across um this coming out kind of the 380 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: panic and especially the kind of like regional like how 381 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: you feel in that type of like area than that 382 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: scene where Lucas had just breaks down. I mean, that 383 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: was it caught me by such surprise. It's just like 384 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: I felt myself rise out of my seat and my 385 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: just eyes filled with tears. It was I felt more 386 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: seen by that as a gay person than any moment 387 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: of called me by your name, Wow, beg okay, and 388 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: I like call me by your name. And you know 389 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: what line keeps bouncing around like resounding in my head, 390 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: echoing in my brain is search of saying you're gay. 391 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: Remember that the way she says that in that scene, 392 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: you're gay. I don't know, this is something about that. 393 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: I just think that scene doesn't happen by accident. That 394 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: scene happens because there's an amazing director directing incredible material. 395 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: I think that it would be such a crime, and 396 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: I don't think it will happen now, But if she 397 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: used to out on Best Director nomination, I'm so worried 398 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: about that. You must worry because it's happened so many times. 399 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: But but I feel like, because what voting end did, 400 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: what this week two days ago to day, it's like 401 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: and I feel like just in that window after the 402 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: Golden Globes and and before the due date, I feel like, 403 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: well I got a boost. I agree, but I agree 404 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: about what I'm still nervous about is they don't vote 405 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: as a monolith and every year exactly it's just individual people. 406 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: You know, this thing that just happened that I just 407 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: have to talk about cause I'm so mad about the 408 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: Mark Wahlberg, Yeah, I want to talk about this, the 409 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: paid disparity with Michelle Williams. So you know he donated 410 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: his rats. Mark I said I wanted him to do. 411 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: Was exactly what he did, donated to the fund, which 412 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: is nice. But anyway, it's it's nice and it's great. 413 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure they could use the money. But also he's 414 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: getting credit for it when he only did it because 415 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: he was pressured into it exactly. So I'm thinking Mark 416 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: Wallberg's ballot, He's not going to be like HM, which 417 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 1: then can I honor this year? That's not the way 418 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: people think individually. We all have our own opinions. And 419 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: I also was gonna I was thinking, like you know, 420 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: post the Globes, it felt like, oh, now we're definitely 421 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: going to see a lot of women nominated at the 422 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: at the Oscars, like we will see Grata. But also, 423 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: you know, some people might have voted a little early. 424 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: Some people aren't waiting until the last day to cast 425 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: their ballots. I mean, I didn't wait to vote for 426 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: SAG and like I should have because I didn't see everything. 427 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: I just knew who I wanted. Some people might have 428 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: just known who they wanted and voted already. And also, 429 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: and you know, they weren't affected by the Oprah speech 430 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: and Barber shaming everyone and Natalie Portman dropping the mic, 431 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like they weren't maybe necessarily 432 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: moved by that because they didn't wait. Sure, and they 433 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: maybe don't read everything online the rest of US culture 434 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: except for the film Exparents. They probably yeah, they probably 435 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: they probably reading have you do you ever hear from people? Um, 436 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: like when you you interviewed many actors. I just said, 437 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: you did not interview with Jamie Belle. Oh yeah, I 438 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: mean what a dream is he? Are he and Evan 439 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: Rachel still together? No? No? He is? Uh now with 440 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: Kate Mahra. Oh okay, I love Kate Mary. Interesting. Interesting 441 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: you didn't made a face like you don't like Kate. 442 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: I have no real opinion on Kate. I never saw 443 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: how I like Kate. And here's how I know I 444 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: like Kate because I was in despair when she spoiler 445 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: alert got fucked up by that subway in House of Cards. 446 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: I didn't even watch the show, and I felt despair 447 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: about that. Oh yeah, no, it was despairing to watch, 448 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: especially because it came out of No. This is what 449 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: House of Cards was at the peak, right right? It 450 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: used to be legit good right? Um? So, uh, Matt, 451 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: you were asking, do you does Disney Daniel hear from? Yeah? 452 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: I was do you ever hear um back, maybe catch 453 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: a little flak or like ever hear from someone that 454 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: uh that kind of like was like, oh my god, 455 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: I can't believe it, Like what's the kind of blowback 456 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: or you know, positive stuff like any memories or stuff 457 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: like that. Um that the most blowback I ever got 458 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: was from Jennifer Lawrence's publicist, Thank god, Okay, go on, no, 459 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: but this was the Winter's Bone time period. Jennifer was 460 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: even like a thing thing, definitely, And it was about 461 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: a little caption I put under a photo, which I'm 462 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: not even proud of now, but I was just I 463 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 1: was just trying to be funny, which sometimes backfires if 464 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: you're not a comic. So funny it give yourself some credit. 465 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: What was the caption? I'm so embarrassed in this year 466 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: of the women, and so I was. I was listening 467 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: like each woman and like saying like doctor or whatever whatever. 468 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: The dress spoke to me. Yes, yes, yes, but it 469 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: was in tiny little prank because it was the caption, 470 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: and when it came to Jennifer's it just said expensive 471 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 1: call girl. Honestly though that they put her in that dress, 472 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: that dress because and she she did the Iro classic. 473 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: I mean she deliberately she was. She called it the 474 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 1: bathing suit dress. Yes, she was giving you Molly's Game, 475 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: the Cinemax version of Jennifer Lawrence before we even knew who. 476 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: Of course, and also you would have thought she took 477 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: herself super seriously at the time. Sure, and maybe she 478 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: still does so her publicist, they said they called me 479 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: and said, I think that's a misogynistic thing to say, 480 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: which hurt my feelings of coarse because I love women. Yeah, 481 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: you are an actra sexual, yes, yes, um. But also 482 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: that's on them for putting stigma on sex work. So 483 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: there you go, bitch, because I was gonna say, you 484 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: didn't even you didn't even ask me if I thought 485 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: called girls were awesome or not. Yeah, yeah, I hope 486 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: you typed that, right. I hope you said. I can 487 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: feel from you that it was definitely like, I'm so 488 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: deeply sorry, but I hope you had said, well, just 489 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: so you know, I have messing called girls who earned 490 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: their millions and go on to become philanthropists. And also 491 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: it shouldn't be legal, and there's no stigma, no stigma. Wow. 492 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: But I will say, most of the time when I 493 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: hear from people, it's positive, good, great. But and I 494 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: want to say this out to any actor working actor 495 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: out there we're listening to. It's amazing when someone writes 496 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 1: you to thank you for something you wrote. Yes, when 497 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: like when it's happened to me, it's usually a non 498 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 1: famous person, but like, I'll be shouting someone out. This 499 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: is an example, didn't happen. But like the type of 500 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: performance exactly like you brought up early, Betty Grabiel Gabriel again, 501 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: get out. So when I see a performance like that 502 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: that's amazing and people don't know their name, I always 503 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: make sure to mention the actor's name, that's awesome. And 504 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: sometimes you hear back everyone's while everyone well, I will 505 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: say this, what's so? And I talked about this in 506 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: the last episode, but I watched it out again, So 507 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: isn't it Isn't it so much fun? The second time? 508 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: Fantastic everything to parents to it. My dad really liked it. 509 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: My mom was falling asleep, but she falls asleep for everything. 510 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: But my dad really liked it, and I knew he would, 511 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: and I was watching it again. Just those performances are 512 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,959 Speaker 1: impossible to give. There's it's such an ask of an 513 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: actor to do that. For me, it's just so disappointing. 514 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: And you talk about this when the SAG nominations come out. 515 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: When they don't give a nomination and not for someone 516 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: who shares a title car for someone who stares for 517 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: everyone out there. That's like saying, you know, just to 518 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: say like there with this movie, it's like, of course, 519 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 1: you know they list all the actors and that it 520 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: says end Katherine Keener, and then every person that they 521 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: haven't listed, like the first seven Games Gabriel and these 522 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: actors Little Rell and Betty Gabriel too. You know, performances 523 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: that pivot the film don't get to share in that 524 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: ensemble nomination. What do you think is with that? And 525 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: will it change like and what do you think is 526 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,479 Speaker 1: going on in the heads of people if they know 527 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: this is true and then put put them on a 528 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,479 Speaker 1: title cover three other people? What is it? That's why 529 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: I've been such a crusader about this. Every year I 530 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: write about this because it makes me so angry. And 531 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: I was I interviewed, um ah my brains. Corey stole 532 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 1: that was so amazing in Midnight in Paris movie, and 533 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: I think that's I think his performance is a prime 534 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: example of why they even got the ensemble nomination. And 535 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: he was on the second with Woody Allen movies. That 536 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: works different because everybody's listed together. But if they but 537 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: if it's a big cast, they get a second page, 538 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: and the second page is not listed. So Sad has 539 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: all these rules about it, and all of the rules suck. 540 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: They are they do suck. Also because there when Rangers 541 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: the New Black Ones, you see a hundred girls woke 542 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: up on the stage. Meanwhile, like get out, like they 543 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: have an ensemble of what twelve and you're only going 544 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: to see seven people, you know what I mean. They'll 545 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: probably bring them up on stage and imagine, but they 546 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: still don't actually get the actual statue. It's just unless 547 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: they pay like a hundred fifty dollars or something. Maybe 548 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: I think, like in terms of I think that's how 549 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: Emmy's work sometimes. Well literally, if you win an Emmy 550 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: you do have to pay for which I think, actually, yeah, 551 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: I'm almost positive this is a thing across the board. 552 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: Any hardware that you win at all, you pay for 553 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: and you pay to get it engraved and everything like 554 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: that you are an Oscar winner and that you won 555 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: the Oscar, but to actually take it home, even the 556 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: biggest movie stars, you have to pay like a couple 557 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,959 Speaker 1: of hundred bucks to have it engraved and everything. It's 558 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: like when you get a class ring, you know what 559 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's four and you're like, oh god, 560 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,719 Speaker 1: I have to get a class ring. I mean it's 561 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: a class ring and then you wear exactly one time. 562 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: And I just want everyone to know that I never 563 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: bought into just that class ring bullshit. So there's some 564 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: people who just um, so anyway, um yeah, but I agree. 565 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: And I feel like SAG does that weird thing where 566 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: it's like you're only voting from like this already curated 567 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: pool of nominees. It's not like right, like isn't there's 568 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,959 Speaker 1: a nominating committee nominate, chose a couple of random thousand 569 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: people or whatever, and then they decide do they do 570 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: like the sliding scale, like how did they like? No, 571 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: I think it's a straight vote, and then based on 572 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: what they've decided, then everybody votes. Sure. I gotta tell you. 573 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: It was so hard to vote for the Television awards 574 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: so as in Critics Choice words also well for the 575 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: TV stuff. I don't actually they originally had two separate 576 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: awards bodies and then they combined them, and you know, 577 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: they're following the Golden Globes models and it's like Critics Choice, 578 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: Movie and Television Awards, but there's actually two separate bodies. 579 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: There's a Broadcast Film Critics Association and the Broadcast Television 580 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: So without being actually be as shady as you want, 581 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: what do you think of their television selections? Well, they 582 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: were just rubber stamping the Emmy, and they truly were. 583 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: But I'm okay with rubbert stamping if it means Nicole 584 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: Kimman and Alexander's. You know, famously I always said ballot 585 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: in my handgun to my head, alveol for Reese Witherspoon, 586 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: and I did vote for Nicole Wow for sag Yeah. 587 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: I just thought about her like shivering on the ground, 588 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: like I thought about her doing those scenes, and I 589 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, that to me is like 590 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: real achievement. And also like the conversation it started like 591 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: of course Big Little Eyes started as a whole, but 592 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's really that performance that everyone was talking 593 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: about at the ends, and I thought to the place 594 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: she had to go. I really respected that, and as 595 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: an actor, I thought that would be really challenging for 596 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: me to do, whereas Reese, I think, is just giving 597 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: you Reese a plus rees, which is enough for me. 598 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: Usually it's enough for you for Reese to shout, what 599 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: does what does she say? To that Crossing Guard. I've 600 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: been here longer you haven't. I'm you're new here. I'm not. Yeah, 601 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: that's fine, It's just it's so good. She's great in that. Yeah, 602 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: I I even though you know, I'm a major Nicole Kim, 603 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: which which I appreciate, but I feel for Reaess a 604 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: little bit every time because that is of her very 605 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: best performance. Absolutely absolutely, But you know what, she's got 606 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: that Oscar. She's finally they all just got the Oscar. 607 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: But you know, I do think I do want to 608 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: keep going on Nathaniel's list of his favorite movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, 609 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: so necessarily as top ten because that's coming. But talk 610 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: to us, like what's in your heart you're passionate about 611 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: this year? Well, we already said, Ladybird get out. A 612 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: huge fan of the French movie BPM, which I missed, 613 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: which I missed when it was out in the city, 614 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: and like I, you know, I haven't gotten any any screeners. Yeah, 615 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: we were told by our friend that it was great 616 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: God and somehow it did not really win big at 617 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: Can but Pedro Almdovar through the through the grape vine, 618 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: I've heard that he wanted that to win. But members 619 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,959 Speaker 1: of his jury. It can We're all about the square, 620 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: the Swedish Oscar, so maybe there was a little argument. 621 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: Who knows, I love it behind the scenes most of 622 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: our arguments. Um, so BPM is actually not not not 623 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: uh in in question for form, it's already been kicked 624 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: out because you know that for Foreign Language Film they 625 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: narrowed down to nine before it becomes the five nominees, 626 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: so it wasn't even at the top nine for people, 627 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: which upset me greatly because it's amazing. I hear there's 628 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: there's like such a truthfully depicted sex sone. When I 629 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: first time, I was just reading about this and I 630 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: was like, oh, I have to go see this, not 631 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: because it's like smutty, but not because I have any 632 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: of my own smutty thoughts, but just because it's like, oh, 633 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: I need to see that. Yeah, I mean we have. 634 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: We were told that it was great, so also, isn't 635 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: isn't first they first they killed my father? That Angelina 636 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: Jolian movie movie that's also not that so interesting. There's 637 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: always drama, which will never hear about that category because 638 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: they have executive committees, they have nominating committees. The interesting 639 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god. Okay, so what what 640 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: is the most bullshit esoteric thing about uh, the Academy? Like, 641 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: in your opinion, having followed this all these years, what 642 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: would you say is your most is your biggest grants 643 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: to qualm? Yeah, what's the biggest qualm? Um? And there's 644 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 1: so many. It's a lot of bull But one of 645 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: the qualms is that you don't have to sorry, you 646 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: don't have to see the things before I go. I mean, honestly, 647 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: I deserve it. So that's a That's one of the problems. 648 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: Another one is that like the consistency. You know, I'm 649 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: a big inconsistency. You have to be the same every 650 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: year so that people can value you as a tradition. 651 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: And I don't understand why makeup and hairstylists are so disrespected. 652 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: They only get three nominees and everybody else gets five. 653 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: So wild. Also, sometimes I do that with the original 654 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: song too, they'll just decide more. But they did, yeah 655 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: they did for a little while there, Um, what's it 656 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: at now? No, get it's five. But then sometimes there 657 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 1: you can't even think of five songs from movies, Like 658 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: it's getting so weird. It's not like back in the day. 659 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 1: Where My Heart Will Go On was also a mainstream hit. 660 00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,959 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Now, It's like I would 661 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: to the list of potential nominees and it was like 662 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: the Taylor Swift song from fifty Shades Darker. No thanks 663 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: might mean she's she's she's doing she might become an 664 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: OSCAR nominee, bitch, like I would say no thanks. Yeah. 665 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: But when Sam Smith won an Oscar, I gave up 666 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: on that category forever. Actually that was traumatic, traumatic, especially 667 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: since it followed that I don't want to give throw 668 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: shade because I'm not a singer. But he was off 669 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: key the whole performance, and when Oscar it was rough, 670 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: and for him to win over Gaga after literally their 671 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 1: fists are in the air and she brings that all 672 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 1: these campus assault victims, you're like campus rapussalt, it's sexual assault, 673 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: Like what a moment? Like what a It was also 674 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 1: a much better song, so much better. And also Diane 675 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: Warren always Overdue right, never won an Oscar never never, 676 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: and she's like seven eight nominations and many many and 677 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: also the writer of so many classic song from films. 678 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: That's fucking Sam Smith and then just saying that he 679 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: was he was the first fucking winner. Oh my god, 680 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,439 Speaker 1: what a fucking horror first game man to win and off. Yeah, yeah, 681 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: that is so fun. What a perfect ship storm of bullshit. 682 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, so that was that, I think because 683 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: that happened they read the wrong name of the Best 684 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: Picture winner, like the universe was thrown off and nothing 685 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: good could happen. But from that, I do think so. 686 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: But for me, it's like, tell me inside about this 687 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: because I think it's getting better. But I think the 688 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: biggest bullshit thing about the Academy is like the actual 689 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,479 Speaker 1: makeup of the Academy being so one thing. It's so 690 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: white and so male and so straight. But they've they've actually, 691 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,280 Speaker 1: like those initiatives they set in place, they've really been changing, 692 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,959 Speaker 1: so they like the It's expanded already from like six 693 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 1: thousand too, I think nine wow, all in the past 694 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 1: few years. And when you see the list, there's like 695 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: a lot of you know, white men from the Academy 696 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: every year, but there's it's like a much much larger 697 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: percentages and the balance it's much different in the new members. Yeah, 698 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: I did notice that there seemed to be a lot 699 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: more young people, young women, and more people of color. 700 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: Every year on the list, which does mean that there's 701 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: a concerted effort um which counts for something. Yeah, but 702 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,399 Speaker 1: this is I think I might have found this out 703 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: from your site. And this is something I cite a lot. 704 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: The average age of the Best Actress Oscar winner is 705 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: twenty nine, or it was the year Natalie Portman one. 706 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 1: It is still correct. I posted that people did not 707 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: believe me, and I'm like, girl, I did the research 708 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: word and what is it? For men? Best Actor? There 709 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 1: was not an exact like the most Best Actress I 710 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 1: had won at twenty nine. The men there was a 711 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: few different age, but it was basically a range in 712 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: your forties or late th right, right, And this is anything, 713 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: This is what you This just goes goes to on 714 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: what you are saying about Timothy is that his chances 715 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: are kind of all over the place because just they're 716 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: not gonna they're not going to really like reward someone 717 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: so young, especially because you make an excuse, which is 718 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 1: they have their whole career ahead of them. Rum But 719 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,800 Speaker 1: it's like, why doesn't that apply to the fucking the 720 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,760 Speaker 1: Newick girls every year? You know, like they just because 721 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: they because they'd rather see them on stage looking good. Right. 722 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 1: I think that's what you might have even been the 723 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: one that said this, but it's what I maybe it's 724 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: what I pulled from it. But it's men that they 725 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,240 Speaker 1: see themselves in and there are other friends and women 726 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: that they want to fuck. Listen. I knew speaking of 727 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 1: men that you know, the issues that that men bring 728 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,800 Speaker 1: to looking at other men, right. Um. I knew Michael 729 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: Fassmander was not going to be nominated for Shame in 730 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: the year that he wasn't nominated, which everybody else predicted. 731 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: And then my bitch, I sat at those tables and 732 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: I heard them, Academy members because I got all these luncheon. 733 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: I heard them talking the only thing they would ever 734 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 1: talk about. It's his penis, really stand and these are 735 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 1: these are men? Yeah, Okay. It was not in a 736 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 1: like wow, what it was like, Yeah, it was a 737 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: penis was certainly in the film. It was just like 738 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: they were obsessed with it, and I think I think 739 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: they were put off obsessed with it. I get it. Yeah, 740 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,839 Speaker 1: I'm like, they're not going to nominate him. It's all 741 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 1: these men. Yeah, And that that was an indicator for 742 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: you. You You were like, oh, this this inverted male gaze 743 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: of like or just inverted. It's still the male gaze 744 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: of just like oh a Penis. No, well it was 745 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: like that was like like you clocked that at that point. Yeah. 746 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: I did not predict him. Everybody else did. I'm like, 747 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 1: it's not going to happen. I heard. And then when 748 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 1: George Clooney introduced him with the whole like you know, 749 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: like talking about is like oh yeah, yeah, as Penis 750 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: as a golf club or something. It was so weird. 751 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: It was at the clubs. Do you guys remember that? 752 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 1: I think I do, But like I feel like I'm 753 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: always like, oh, they're drunk. It's the globes, but like 754 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 1: it can't have like hung in the air as a 755 00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: nice thing. Hung sure, little joke now, but also like 756 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: it's this thing that happens all the time which I hate, 757 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,439 Speaker 1: which is happening again this year. You know, not saying 758 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 1: he's not deserving, but Gary Oldman is is known as 759 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: overdue and so like when they feel like they've messed 760 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 1: up before, HPJ is shaken his god damn head. He 761 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: doesn't think that. He doesn't think Gary Oldman deserves it. 762 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: Do you? Who would you vote for Timothy? Because the 763 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,879 Speaker 1: only because according to Nathaniel in the prediction, and next 764 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 1: the only two locks for best Actor our Timothy and 765 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: Gary correct. And then the other three are voted for 766 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 1: Daniel Caloya for best Actor, and then and then and 767 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,840 Speaker 1: then I guess the other big persons are day Lewis 768 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: and then the Yeah, well know, because it's very it's 769 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: up in the air. Yeah, Like, I think a lot 770 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 1: of them have a really really good shot. I just 771 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,839 Speaker 1: don't want to say their locks because there's more than 772 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,479 Speaker 1: three of them besides Timothy and Gary, yes, and they don't. 773 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 1: Like I think Daniel Clue is probably safe, right, Yeah, 774 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,919 Speaker 1: I think so. But the other three, it's like, which 775 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: is Daniel day Lewis, Um, Tom Hayes, Tom Henk. What 776 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,839 Speaker 1: the fund is going on with the post? I don't know? 777 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: And the post is all over the place. Yeah, I was. 778 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: I likened it today to like a roller coaster and 779 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 1: you're climbing the roller coast. Everybody's like it's gonna win everything. Yeah, 780 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 1: and then as soon as you start designing people screaming, 781 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,760 Speaker 1: it's losing everything. Yeah. It's like that's very like, although 782 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:26,919 Speaker 1: when it comes to best Actress, like Francis Yawn sort of, 783 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: I just feel like we've I know, but that whole movie, 784 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,760 Speaker 1: I was like so not on board with the post 785 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: until it's that shot that like just like goes in 786 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,839 Speaker 1: on Meryl and she's on the phone and she's like, yeah, yeah, 787 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's go, let's go, let's yeah, 788 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: let's do what we should do it we should. It 789 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 1: was I mean, it's I'm not I'm I'm butchering it, 790 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: but it's I mean, that was when I was like 791 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 1: the whole movie came together for me. Now it is 792 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: like wow, and it was thrilling. And so I feel 793 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,320 Speaker 1: like Frances never really gave you the need there needs 794 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,280 Speaker 1: to be. Look, I didn't. I think that Frances mcdormant 795 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: is incredible, incredible, like I said, when as someone who 796 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 1: has I mean still I haven't seen it, but I 797 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 1: just know that I've seen it before. And but the 798 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: thing is that's not fair. That's really not fair. And 799 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: I also want to say, like this is this is 800 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,240 Speaker 1: all over the where are you going with this? Because 801 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: I'm nervous to say this next thing. Okay, say it, 802 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 1: say it. I voted for Margot Robbie because I fucking 803 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: love Titania and we're sitting here at the table with 804 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 1: someone who really really, I would even go as far 805 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 1: as say, hey, totally dislikes and maybe even hates Titania. 806 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: You think it's lifetime trash. I think it's trash. I 807 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 1: think it's rewriting history trash. And I am not there 808 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: for it. You're not there. I've voted from Margot Nna Allison. 809 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: The pendulum is swinging back a little bit. Do do 810 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,319 Speaker 1: you get what I'm saying? It's like it's everywhere now 811 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,879 Speaker 1: and today. Nancy Carrigan sort of quote, Unn, I didn't 812 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 1: see what. I'm busy living in my life. But it's 813 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,360 Speaker 1: like I thought, I I thought about this too. Is 814 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,319 Speaker 1: like it is sort of sucked up that like she 815 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 1: was I saw you, like that status she was on, 816 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,080 Speaker 1: you know, just pretty unequivocally the victim in that situation. 817 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: And for I mean, yeah, it's it's whatever. It's a 818 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: nuanced portrayal of poverty and blah blah blah and like, 819 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: but for it's gotta be weird for her to be like, wait, 820 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 1: what the fuck? I think this was Tanya Harding story 821 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 1: and it was very stylized, like the movie is incredibly stylized, 822 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,839 Speaker 1: and also the movie literally says there is no such 823 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,439 Speaker 1: thing as truth, and so like, yeah, I can get 824 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: being salty about the movie. I get, I get like not, 825 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 1: you know, wanting to retread it, but she I don't know. 826 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Like my read on Nancy Karagin is that 827 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 1: she kind of like I don't want to hang out 828 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,320 Speaker 1: with her. Okay, well I hang out with her. I 829 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:44,799 Speaker 1: don't want to see her at the barbecue. I don't 830 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 1: want to see her at an event, Tony, I don't know, 831 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,680 Speaker 1: and because guess what, you know she wants to go home. 832 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,879 Speaker 1: It's like, if you're not trying to make this event fun, 833 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to stand with you here. I also 834 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,800 Speaker 1: like Titania, but I even curious to hear Nathaniel's thoughts. 835 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 1: Well he thinks it's true. Yeah, I don't really want 836 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: to be labor the point because there's way too much 837 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 1: of negativity when people talk about Oscar stuff into it, 838 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 1: because like, because I get toxic too, and this is 839 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 1: part of your this is part of your job. I 840 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 1: would say, it's to as you have that. I well, 841 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 1: now it's just what bothers me about it is. I 842 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: really think it's it wants its cake and eating yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 843 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,799 Speaker 1: it's like one the cake goes in one way and 844 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,360 Speaker 1: out and I was like, what are you doing because 845 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 1: it's like domestic abuse is so funny and then it's 846 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 1: like no, it's so tragic, and I was like, you 847 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: need to decide what you're point of view is. See, 848 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: I never this is an interesting thing. I never once 849 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,000 Speaker 1: thought they were trying to make it look funny. I 850 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 1: thought they were trying to make it look every day 851 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 1: it was to her man, I saw in a theater 852 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: that did not ever laugh at No, it wasn't a 853 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 1: it wasn't a comedy to this audience. And like, I 854 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,840 Speaker 1: don't know if I think it's this character these categorizations 855 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: that come in and have to happen, like calling this 856 00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: a comedy and this one drama and this whatever. It's 857 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 1: just like I think that. And even in this interview 858 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,719 Speaker 1: Tanya Harding did with ABC the other night, she said 859 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,440 Speaker 1: that when she was watching the movie, she was laughing 860 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: her ass off. Tanya Harding says specifically about Alison Jenny's performance, 861 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,840 Speaker 1: She's like, oh my god, it was so real every time, 862 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 1: that's what it was. And she kind of just like, 863 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 1: that's what it was. That was my mother. She's like 864 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,160 Speaker 1: Alison Janny did my mother? That was her? And it 865 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 1: was just like this is someone who Then they asked 866 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: her like, what are your qualms with the movie, and 867 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,920 Speaker 1: she was like, well, I certainly never cursed at the judges, 868 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,359 Speaker 1: like those are her problems with it? Like um, but 869 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,440 Speaker 1: she stands by it, and so I guess I trust 870 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,799 Speaker 1: her in terms of like it being her account of 871 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,640 Speaker 1: her own story, Like I don't know, maybe I'm also 872 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,880 Speaker 1: giving her too much credit. She is like famously a felon. Um. 873 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 1: Well it is called in that way. It is her, 874 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: you know, you have to take it with a grain 875 00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 1: of still because it's her vision, right. But I just 876 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 1: I think maybe it wouldn't have become so incense with 877 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,040 Speaker 1: the movie if they weren't trotting her out as this 878 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 1: hero or like this folk hero or something. And I 879 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,839 Speaker 1: was like her friends, and I think maybe she knew it, 880 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:17,840 Speaker 1: even though she won't admit it. Violently attacked another woman 881 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 1: and we're just going to ignore that because it's fun 882 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,799 Speaker 1: to rehabilitate people's images totally. And why did she have 883 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,719 Speaker 1: Nancy's training schedule written down? Why did she have ever down? 884 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:33,320 Speaker 1: We need I Nancy. Absolutely's all three of us cast 885 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 1: someone different or we can all agree on this. Wait, 886 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:36,959 Speaker 1: hold on, because I don't want to say the wrong person. 887 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:43,720 Speaker 1: Oh someone, No one would be good. Michelle Monaghan. Okay, 888 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,680 Speaker 1: she's old to now I guess um, but I know 889 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,080 Speaker 1: that because she looks like her. She looks like her. 890 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 1: But what's that kind of like severe sort of like 891 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,200 Speaker 1: I would say, you know, you know what, you know 892 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 1: what has been perfect a young and it stands awful 893 00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,880 Speaker 1: a younger brook Shields. I don't know about that. I 894 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,279 Speaker 1: don't know about that. I just in terms of resemblance, 895 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,840 Speaker 1: not because not not because of prisons. Those famous brows 896 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 1: and Anti Karagan don't have those brows. They just have. 897 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 1: They just have like nice. I don't know. Do you 898 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,080 Speaker 1: have an interesting take anyway? That's like when they dream 899 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,200 Speaker 1: Jennifer hud did in dream Grows. Everyone was like what 900 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,400 Speaker 1: and then she won an oscar? Maybe Brookshelds would have 901 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 1: won an oscar any any idea. I flashed immediately, and 902 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 1: I am not pleased with myself, but I flashed immediately 903 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:33,839 Speaker 1: to Nally Portman, and I literally they both play the role. 904 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,239 Speaker 1: It's like a black Swan thing. That's superimposed Nancy karg 905 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,839 Speaker 1: Amila to me is to Mela to me is two 906 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,800 Speaker 1: black swan to play Nancy, but Natalie. I get Natalie. 907 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,720 Speaker 1: I get Um. And then honestly, I think if if 908 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,520 Speaker 1: this is like five maybe even maybe five, maybe closer 909 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,040 Speaker 1: to ten and she's big, I think Amy Adams plays 910 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,839 Speaker 1: and and wins an Oscar. Sure. I think we need 911 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,000 Speaker 1: a nine Nancy. We needed we needed nine Nancy, and 912 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,719 Speaker 1: we can get Amy in a supporting role and she 913 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,719 Speaker 1: could win. Sure. Um, that's a frustrating case, Amy Adams. Yeah, 914 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,640 Speaker 1: because she's not going to win Lead Actress at this point. 915 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,279 Speaker 1: I don't think she will ever. Well, I mean the 916 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,440 Speaker 1: Julianne Moore thing, which was a big thing for me, 917 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,320 Speaker 1: and I had to mention it every day for months 918 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,359 Speaker 1: after it happened, by the way, ending every article, even 919 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,160 Speaker 1: unrelated by the way, Julianne Moore is now in Oscar. Yeah, yeah, No, 920 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,279 Speaker 1: I mean it's huge news because she was only the 921 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,400 Speaker 1: second woman in her fifties ever to win Best and 922 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,840 Speaker 1: and and and since when like after since the fifties. 923 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:41,160 Speaker 1: Shirley Booth come back, Little Sheba, come back, Little Sheba. Yeah, 924 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,680 Speaker 1: I remember you remember you either writing about this, we're 925 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,360 Speaker 1: talking about this on some other program. Um that and 926 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,400 Speaker 1: also and then and then what was the what's the 927 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 1: historical precedent for a younger a male just like I 928 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,680 Speaker 1: guess the Best Actor Best Actor winners Adrian Brodie right 929 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:03,680 Speaker 1: at nine years old? And when was that? Yes? But then, um, 930 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,440 Speaker 1: didn't hear the Chicago One Best Picture? Right? What was 931 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,840 Speaker 1: there's there's some there's some best actor like record that 932 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,880 Speaker 1: hasn't been broken since five or something right like that 933 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,480 Speaker 1: has to do with Timothy And maybe I'm making this 934 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,520 Speaker 1: up anyway, just in terms of age, In terms of 935 00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 1: age youngest ever nominated, if he's got it, nominated, got 936 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,520 Speaker 1: it and he will put him you you you put 937 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,560 Speaker 1: that lock in. I think, yeah, but he'll he'll be nominated, 938 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,560 Speaker 1: but he'll be the third youngest ever. And I really 939 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,160 Speaker 1: thought I was going to check that box. But then 940 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,279 Speaker 1: after I saw Get Out, I was like, Danielle, Danielle. 941 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:43,120 Speaker 1: For me, it's like, it's so hard to lead a 942 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,919 Speaker 1: hard movie like especially when like that. It's just there's 943 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,120 Speaker 1: so much going on. When he started appearing in these awards, 944 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,480 Speaker 1: I was like, what, it's so weird. No one's ever 945 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,880 Speaker 1: even talked about him, and then you watch the movie 946 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,560 Speaker 1: and you're like, man, oh man, that guy's it's real talent. 947 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,400 Speaker 1: Really the whole cast, which I was really happy they 948 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,919 Speaker 1: got an ansom my name, it's a tricky tone. Oh 949 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,480 Speaker 1: my god, I nail it. Everyone they got they got 950 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,040 Speaker 1: my vote, Oh my god. And I think that I 951 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,040 Speaker 1: think everyone knows that. Like I said, I think there's 952 00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,200 Speaker 1: something in get Out to love across the board. And 953 00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,759 Speaker 1: I had a really hard time deciding between get Out 954 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,920 Speaker 1: and Lady Bird for that ensemble. And I said to myself, 955 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,319 Speaker 1: you know what, what do you really love about Lady Bird? 956 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,120 Speaker 1: The acting or the casting? And I think the cat 957 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,000 Speaker 1: I think I love the acting, but it was really 958 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,319 Speaker 1: the casting that made me laugh to you and be like, 959 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:34,400 Speaker 1: oh my god, this girl like or like what genius casting. 960 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,040 Speaker 1: I mean that that girl is that girl and I 961 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,680 Speaker 1: shouldn't know her name. But the actress who played the 962 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,239 Speaker 1: like the mean like the queen Bee girl, definitely, yes, 963 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,280 Speaker 1: yes she is just and I were perfect, she's perfect 964 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,480 Speaker 1: for that role. But no, you're right, like get Out 965 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 1: just as just like as like an as like an 966 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,920 Speaker 1: as like a body of actors that's just it almost 967 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,400 Speaker 1: was like a sport you know what I mean. It 968 00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,160 Speaker 1: was almost like you saw the actors all passing the 969 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,200 Speaker 1: ball back. Yeah, like it was just so it was 970 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:06,200 Speaker 1: art everybody, Catherine, everybody, Katherine, Josh and I think there's yeah, 971 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,799 Speaker 1: I mean everyone across Daniel. Yeah, I mean you mean 972 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,719 Speaker 1: Bradley Woods. I was watching the Globes last week. I 973 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,920 Speaker 1: my heart sank as the show went on. I was like, 974 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,160 Speaker 1: get out, it's not winning anything. No, it's not. I wasn't. 975 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,560 Speaker 1: I don't think it was ever winning the Globes. I 976 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,440 Speaker 1: don't think the Hollywood Foreign or get get out. I 977 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,320 Speaker 1: thought it just didn't bode well for its OSCAR chances, 978 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,600 Speaker 1: which would say it doesn't always correlate. And also it's 979 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:36,200 Speaker 1: very American in its appeal and its themes. And I 980 00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,439 Speaker 1: don't know that that's always like that important in terms 981 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,759 Speaker 1: of weather globes like something, but it does affect them, 982 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,759 Speaker 1: you know on some level. You know it has to 983 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,279 Speaker 1: play into it. Short, there's always got to be something 984 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,520 Speaker 1: a little extra, I think for the Hollywood Foreign Press, 985 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:49,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, there's got to be like 986 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,040 Speaker 1: an extra reason, like whether it's like extra sex appeal 987 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,480 Speaker 1: or like something's big or something's very stylish or something 988 00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,160 Speaker 1: like that. You know what I mean. There's just seems 989 00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 1: like they always like find room, even if it's like 990 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,279 Speaker 1: a quote unquote like not such a great movie, Like 991 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,800 Speaker 1: there's always a musical in that musical or comedy category. 992 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,040 Speaker 1: Like you saw The Greatest Showman get a few nominations. 993 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,600 Speaker 1: My god, we were talking about I can't Matt famously 994 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,200 Speaker 1: loved The Greatest show Well, I loved watching it. I 995 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,560 Speaker 1: didn't love the movie because it was good. I went twice. Yeah, 996 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,440 Speaker 1: hell yeah you did. When when I was watching this 997 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,640 Speaker 1: is I think I cried four different times. Okay, when 998 00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:29,040 Speaker 1: she's like this is me. This is interesting because do 999 00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,560 Speaker 1: we are we applying the same rubric to The Greatest 1000 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,480 Speaker 1: Showman as we as we are Iconia? And I'm asking you, Nathaniel, 1001 00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,319 Speaker 1: because to trot out P. T. Barnum as this like 1002 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:42,719 Speaker 1: savior figure is ridiculous, right, Like his first thing was 1003 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,840 Speaker 1: to like he he like took this and slave the 1004 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,960 Speaker 1: elephants or no, not even that the elephants tracked you 1005 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,759 Speaker 1: know that how intelligent they are, right he he didn't. 1006 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,440 Speaker 1: It wasn't it one of his first things? Like he 1007 00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,480 Speaker 1: literally took an elderly black woman, and said this was 1008 00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,400 Speaker 1: George Washington's slave and she a hundred and eighties something years. Honestly, 1009 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,400 Speaker 1: it sounds like she died and then he's he's he 1010 00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,560 Speaker 1: vowed to give her a proper burial, but nope, just 1011 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,680 Speaker 1: burned her through into her pet. You know, Margo insane 1012 00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,760 Speaker 1: to be made up. So I'm gonna say it's probably true, 1013 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:17,279 Speaker 1: right right, but they're not. He's dead. He is long dead, 1014 00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,120 Speaker 1: and they're not gonna give him around of applause at 1015 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,000 Speaker 1: the Golden Yeah. Yeah, he's not going to come in 1016 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:25,000 Speaker 1: and talks and everybody's like, you're amazing, but harding. I 1017 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,560 Speaker 1: can't wait, just say whatever gown she wears to the Oscars, honey, 1018 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,360 Speaker 1: you know she's going to be presenting Best Cinematography alongside 1019 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,840 Speaker 1: Margot Robbie, and then Margot's gonna be like, I just 1020 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,200 Speaker 1: want to say, this woman next to me, she's an 1021 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,640 Speaker 1: annoying woman. This is a cockney Australian. You I never 1022 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,600 Speaker 1: said I did accents. Well, I bring personality. I feel 1023 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,680 Speaker 1: like I feel like it's it's it's a biographical movie 1024 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,080 Speaker 1: in the same way that Itania is. And and you 1025 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:55,560 Speaker 1: guys went twice, but musical went twice. Musical biopics have 1026 00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:01,560 Speaker 1: never ever been about the trip the nine that wasn't accurate. 1027 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,000 Speaker 1: He didn't slay in real life. Kate Hudson didn't. Kate 1028 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:09,239 Speaker 1: Hudson wasn't like, Oh God, Kate Hudson and nine one 1029 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,920 Speaker 1: of the most ridiculous fun performances ever. That performance hair, 1030 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:19,080 Speaker 1: it was it's no and she's like living for herself. 1031 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,640 Speaker 1: It was a fun movie. It was it was made 1032 00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,879 Speaker 1: no sense. This was so funny. So they the whole 1033 00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,319 Speaker 1: cast of nine did an interview on Oprah, like when 1034 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:32,200 Speaker 1: when then we came out and going and you have 1035 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,640 Speaker 1: an oscar and you have any you have an oscar 1036 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,560 Speaker 1: because and then and then she gets to Kate Hudson 1037 00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,040 Speaker 1: and she goes maybe this year and he was like 1038 00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:45,200 Speaker 1: m because everyone knew that, like her role as Stephanie 1039 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,920 Speaker 1: in nine, the reporter wasn't the one that was going 1040 00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,560 Speaker 1: to get her an oscar. But that was irresponsible of 1041 00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:56,200 Speaker 1: Oprah to a lot of your responsible behavior from Oh 1042 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,840 Speaker 1: that's like in those trailers when they'd be like Academy 1043 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:03,520 Speaker 1: Award nominee, Academy Academy, and then I'll be like Golden Presenter. 1044 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:11,160 Speaker 1: It's so funny. Overdue for well, talk about someone with 1045 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,279 Speaker 1: a lot of the potential in the beginning who just 1046 00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:18,680 Speaker 1: really showed her colors, like Bride Wars, which came on 1047 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,040 Speaker 1: the other day on tv as and I was like, oh, 1048 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,920 Speaker 1: this is a horrendous movie. Who this is? So we're 1049 00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,719 Speaker 1: talking about um so who's over Who's over? Fucking do 1050 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,960 Speaker 1: at this point, like before Julianne Moore like who who? Who? 1051 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,319 Speaker 1: Who is still in that little you know? I have 1052 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,759 Speaker 1: one name and one name only I want to say 1053 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:42,080 Speaker 1: on Michelle. This has been all documented on our on 1054 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:46,000 Speaker 1: our shiel. I love Michelle. I mean like, and I 1055 00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,960 Speaker 1: know you love Michelle, And this is why I connect 1056 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,400 Speaker 1: with you because literally every time he says he's asking 1057 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,400 Speaker 1: for somebody, I'm like, yes, I am also guting for 1058 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,799 Speaker 1: that person. Shell fight for just one of the best. Yeah, 1059 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,000 Speaker 1: and please every time I say favorite, please know I'm 1060 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,080 Speaker 1: saying it with a PF. Yes. So would you nominate 1061 00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,960 Speaker 1: her for mother? Yes? Wow, she would be in my 1062 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:11,839 Speaker 1: five this year. That was a little maybe even maybe 1063 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,440 Speaker 1: he won't even be able to resist and give her 1064 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,040 Speaker 1: the gold, give her the gold, give her the yellow. 1065 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,320 Speaker 1: As man who is the front runner for best of 1066 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,960 Speaker 1: All actress. I guess it's either Allison Janny or Mislauri, 1067 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,680 Speaker 1: who are both great, who are both wonderful and I 1068 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,279 Speaker 1: think would make deserving winners. I went with Allison, but 1069 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,920 Speaker 1: literally it was the hardest one. It was the hardest 1070 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,520 Speaker 1: one to before. But I voted for Allison because I 1071 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,799 Speaker 1: felt like it was a character and I felt like 1072 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,400 Speaker 1: that like that it needed a little bit more invention 1073 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,400 Speaker 1: than I thought Lorie did, though I really respect the 1074 00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,480 Speaker 1: relationship they were able to. Yeah, and it's like what 1075 00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,040 Speaker 1: you're saying with Allison, um and get out, It's like 1076 00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:50,120 Speaker 1: the movie doesn't really work without Laurie's performance, and well, yeah, 1077 00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,560 Speaker 1: I guess the thing is like at that point, I 1078 00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,600 Speaker 1: really because they were both so good. I just did 1079 00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,680 Speaker 1: pick the actress I liked better and wanted to see when, 1080 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,160 Speaker 1: and that was Alison Janny. I think she's well, sometimes 1081 00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,640 Speaker 1: you have to toss the coin sometimes, Yeah, are is 1082 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,360 Speaker 1: that what you're dealing with in this category or now? No? 1083 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:11,560 Speaker 1: I have a favorite, okay, but I usually have like 1084 00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,600 Speaker 1: ties for the fifth spot, and then I have all 1085 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,360 Speaker 1: this agony that I put myself through to like decide 1086 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,760 Speaker 1: who was the nominee and who's not sure, So what 1087 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:23,200 Speaker 1: say you regarding Tiffany Hattish and the Oscars. I hope 1088 00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:27,000 Speaker 1: she's nominated me too. I laughed so fucking hard in 1089 00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,880 Speaker 1: the movie theater. It was one of my favorite movie 1090 00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,320 Speaker 1: going experiences of the year. Like I went in the 1091 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,160 Speaker 1: Upper West Side and there were the theater was packed. 1092 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,320 Speaker 1: They're all these women of call It and all these 1093 00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,840 Speaker 1: gay many of course, and it was so fun. Everybody 1094 00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:45,160 Speaker 1: was like dancing practically in the seat. Yea, honestly it did. 1095 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:50,240 Speaker 1: It did feel as fun as when I saw ye sure, 1096 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,160 Speaker 1: it felt that fun. I don't know if it was 1097 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,960 Speaker 1: that actually funny, but it felt like that vibe. It 1098 00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,720 Speaker 1: was like you were just like, I mean, there's there's 1099 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:04,360 Speaker 1: some sort of transportative thing about like Tiffany Hannish peeing 1100 00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,680 Speaker 1: from like a zip line, and you're just like, oh 1101 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,880 Speaker 1: my god, I can't believe this has happened. Like I 1102 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,760 Speaker 1: felt like I was in some way like there, and 1103 00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,480 Speaker 1: I was like, you know what I always say, and 1104 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,800 Speaker 1: I think you agree with this, and I think this 1105 00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,400 Speaker 1: might resonate with you two. It's like when you're talking 1106 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,080 Speaker 1: about giving a performance an oscar, I think that it 1107 00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,840 Speaker 1: should be really hard to imagine someone else doing it, 1108 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean that should be The rubric 1109 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:35,560 Speaker 1: is like, like this performance. Are they just doing their 1110 00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,560 Speaker 1: job and acting it well, which is what they're supposed 1111 00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:44,400 Speaker 1: to do. Or is this something that's really special probably 1112 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,800 Speaker 1: couldn't have been done like this by someone else. Is 1113 00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,240 Speaker 1: it a special movie going experience because of the combination 1114 00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,120 Speaker 1: of this role and miss performer and Tiffany just just 1115 00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,240 Speaker 1: sort of operated on a on a different level than 1116 00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,480 Speaker 1: anyone else. And that movie, I was with her, Like 1117 00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:04,600 Speaker 1: the line reading a booty hole, I couldn't from from 1118 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,440 Speaker 1: then on in the movie. I was like with her, Yeah, 1119 00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,440 Speaker 1: that's so funny. She she became a star when she 1120 00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,960 Speaker 1: said it's a booty hole. And I remember I saw 1121 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,960 Speaker 1: the trailer for the movie and I literally talk to 1122 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,200 Speaker 1: my friend and I'm like, the line in the script 1123 00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,760 Speaker 1: was it's a booty hole. But she made it funny. 1124 00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,920 Speaker 1: She made it funny, Like no, like that's crazy, I 1125 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,680 Speaker 1: just think, and everyone's saying, you know, it's not gonna happen. 1126 00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,880 Speaker 1: She's not showed up for any precursors, etcetera, etcetera. She 1127 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,560 Speaker 1: won that first big award Los Angeles Film Critics, right, 1128 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,000 Speaker 1: she did when l A. It was in New York, 1129 00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,120 Speaker 1: it was it was New York. It was New York. 1130 00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,600 Speaker 1: She won New York and then everyone thought, oh my god, 1131 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,960 Speaker 1: here we go. We're getting a Tiffany Hattish Oscar season. 1132 00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,440 Speaker 1: And then Globes didn't happen. Globes didn't happen. Sag didn't 1133 00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:52,360 Speaker 1: happen now, But I think that's because they voted her early, 1134 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,440 Speaker 1: and I don't know. I just think there's more I 1135 00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:59,680 Speaker 1: think there's more possibility then we think. I think it 1136 00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,960 Speaker 1: would be a much better nomination than Octavia Spencer, like 1137 01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:08,360 Speaker 1: it's so boring. Sure, um, I mean Octavia. I mean 1138 01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,840 Speaker 1: we love Octavia. I love Octavia as a person as 1139 01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,920 Speaker 1: an actress, yes, but when they don't give you anything, 1140 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,920 Speaker 1: it's like that b DE nomination. It's like, really, well, 1141 01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,160 Speaker 1: I do want to say this about Octavia because she's 1142 01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,760 Speaker 1: so when she got the standing Ovation when she won 1143 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:28,000 Speaker 1: the Oscar, which at first I was like, why is 1144 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,680 Speaker 1: she getting a standing ovation because she's loved a fairly 1145 01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,400 Speaker 1: new actor. But I've met her a few times since 1146 01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:35,800 Speaker 1: and I've heard a lot of stories. She is like 1147 01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:40,400 Speaker 1: the nicest person. And I had written this little thing 1148 01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,760 Speaker 1: about my theory is she's the Therma Ritterer of this 1149 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:48,480 Speaker 1: green and because she she brings all this great earthiness 1150 01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:52,080 Speaker 1: to every part and it just adds the right texture 1151 01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:56,000 Speaker 1: to two movies. Yea um, and you know she I 1152 01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,240 Speaker 1: was interviewing her for Shape of Water and I mentioned 1153 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,200 Speaker 1: I have this theory about you, and she knew she 1154 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,120 Speaker 1: had read it. She was like, I am so flattered 1155 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,720 Speaker 1: by that. And she went on about being so flattered 1156 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,920 Speaker 1: and Thoma Ritter and we talked about Hollywood history and 1157 01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,680 Speaker 1: how she and Viola Davis were changing the game. Yeah. Absolutely. 1158 01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,760 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think this would be her third 1159 01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,080 Speaker 1: Oscar nomination, which is a lot. And I just think 1160 01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:23,800 Speaker 1: she's been nominated twice, like pretty rightfully. And and I 1161 01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,880 Speaker 1: don't know if we need this other nomination when there's 1162 01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,880 Speaker 1: other women in the conversation who could potentially have game 1163 01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,200 Speaker 1: changing nominations and it just might be a little bit 1164 01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,840 Speaker 1: more exciting and deserved based on the material they were given. 1165 01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,959 Speaker 1: I hope she's already a record holder, the first black 1166 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,960 Speaker 1: actress to be nominated after winning. Wow. I didn't realize that, 1167 01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:48,480 Speaker 1: I said I had to do with I mean, this 1168 01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:49,800 Speaker 1: sounds pretty I thought I had to do with the 1169 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,920 Speaker 1: Age and Race, and but no, that's the first one 1170 01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,320 Speaker 1: after winning to actually be nominated after having already claimed, 1171 01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,800 Speaker 1: because you know, Jennifer Hudson missed it for Secret Life 1172 01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:05,520 Speaker 1: of Bees. Who knows? Maybe well, um, I do hope 1173 01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,960 Speaker 1: that someone gives throws her a bone and gives her 1174 01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:12,120 Speaker 1: a role that is not a period maybe. Well, she 1175 01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,480 Speaker 1: was in Food Vale Station. You see Food La Hurt 1176 01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,640 Speaker 1: You was great food. But I'm but I'm just saying, like, 1177 01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,240 Speaker 1: it's just it feels like it's her thing. And even 1178 01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,280 Speaker 1: I think she even sort of bemoans that an interview. 1179 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,000 Speaker 1: She's like, well, I keep getting these roles of you know, 1180 01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,720 Speaker 1: these like these motherly black women in period films, and 1181 01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:29,640 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, like she deserves so much 1182 01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:33,400 Speaker 1: better than that. Definitely, I think that it'll be interesting 1183 01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,720 Speaker 1: to see how it keeps playing out. I'm just excited 1184 01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,640 Speaker 1: that she keeps getting to work because so many times 1185 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,360 Speaker 1: we see it happen. Yeah, they feel like, especially in 1186 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,160 Speaker 1: that supporting actress category, it's so bizarre what happens to 1187 01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,200 Speaker 1: so many of those women. It's just like they have 1188 01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,800 Speaker 1: this moment and then they kind of just don't work. 1189 01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,479 Speaker 1: It's so strange. It disappears. Like you hear about why 1190 01:02:54,920 --> 01:03:00,560 Speaker 1: now with like Miras Orvino, which is so sad. But um, 1191 01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,920 Speaker 1: you know, speaking of the Weinstein thing, which is very 1192 01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,080 Speaker 1: much the reason for that. I think that's another reason 1193 01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,600 Speaker 1: why we could see the whole show change. I'm very 1194 01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,720 Speaker 1: interested to see how they address it. It's no secret 1195 01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,120 Speaker 1: that he owned that show, you know what I mean. 1196 01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:16,000 Speaker 1: Like that's why I think, Um, especially with Moonlight last year, 1197 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:17,520 Speaker 1: I think we're going to see a lot of cool winds. 1198 01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,640 Speaker 1: I really do. I'm hoping for it, and I can't 1199 01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,520 Speaker 1: wait for Nathaniel's book on this year. There will be 1200 01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:23,600 Speaker 1: a book. There will be a book. Oh do you 1201 01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,160 Speaker 1: want to say really quickly, Octavia, do you know that 1202 01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,080 Speaker 1: Octavia Spencer and Melissa McCarthy were like best friends, Like 1203 01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:31,000 Speaker 1: they're like they've like they were on which which late 1204 01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:32,560 Speaker 1: night show were they on together? I think it was 1205 01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,600 Speaker 1: it was Jimmy kim Was when it was when Wissen 1206 01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:37,080 Speaker 1: was guest hosting Kim All And they were talking about 1207 01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,680 Speaker 1: how like years and years and years ago they like 1208 01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,440 Speaker 1: they did like a little bit parts on like sketch 1209 01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,760 Speaker 1: on like Weird Owl's show and stuff, and it's like 1210 01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,040 Speaker 1: so it's cool. It's just like it is cool. Wow, 1211 01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,120 Speaker 1: Like they're you know, like, what a cool trajectory. Well, 1212 01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:53,160 Speaker 1: it's interesting because it's interesting now to kind of be 1213 01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:54,920 Speaker 1: fully in the industry, you know what I mean, like 1214 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,800 Speaker 1: making your way in and then your friends, Like we're 1215 01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,640 Speaker 1: also friends with Rachel Bloom, so now we know to 1216 01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:07,000 Speaker 1: Rachel Bees who have won Best Actress Comedy. Not too 1217 01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,840 Speaker 1: far apart. So I'm putting it in the atmosphere on 1218 01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,720 Speaker 1: this podcast, Rachel brows the hand. Come do our show. 1219 01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:17,000 Speaker 1: We will lay out the carpet. Listen, Let's let's talk 1220 01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,240 Speaker 1: about this. Who are the rising stars that you think 1221 01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,280 Speaker 1: we should be looking at? Because you also every year 1222 01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,400 Speaker 1: you kind of point out some people that have broken 1223 01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:28,920 Speaker 1: through without giving anything away, but actually exactly giving it away. Um, 1224 01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:32,320 Speaker 1: tell us, like, who are your breakouts this year? Oh god, 1225 01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,480 Speaker 1: you know it's it's on this spot question. It's not 1226 01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,880 Speaker 1: really And I would normally like have so many to 1227 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,320 Speaker 1: but well Timothy, well yeah, he's the he's the obvious one. 1228 01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:46,160 Speaker 1: And I will say I started a big project where 1229 01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,680 Speaker 1: I'm you know, I always talk about actresses, so I 1230 01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,160 Speaker 1: thought I'm gonna throw a curveball, Okay, and I'm gonna 1231 01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:57,840 Speaker 1: do a list of a hundred actors under thirty Oh 1232 01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,920 Speaker 1: my god that people should pay attention to. Wow. And 1233 01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,880 Speaker 1: I've already started crafting the list. Okay, is it called 1234 01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:09,320 Speaker 1: Spotlight on Men? But it was interesting because I started 1235 01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,040 Speaker 1: at like ages ago because there's a lot of work 1236 01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,280 Speaker 1: and I had like Timothy end there before the movie 1237 01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,000 Speaker 1: came out and stuff. Now I wish I had started 1238 01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,960 Speaker 1: really earlier and like really been on top of it. Listen, 1239 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,720 Speaker 1: there's gonna be some others. There's gonna be other people 1240 01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,280 Speaker 1: to be ahead of the curve on, to be prescient about. 1241 01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:29,080 Speaker 1: But um, when when can we expect this? Well, it'll 1242 01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,640 Speaker 1: have to wait till after the Oscar Big Did you 1243 01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:35,760 Speaker 1: watch Homeland? Yes, because he was on Homeland. He played 1244 01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:40,600 Speaker 1: like the nice I think he played the vice president's 1245 01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:44,520 Speaker 1: kid or something, and then you know in the show 1246 01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:48,800 Speaker 1: he ends up getting fucking incinerated because that show like 1247 01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:54,440 Speaker 1: to throw curveballs with its big terrorist moments. Um. But yeah, 1248 01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,360 Speaker 1: he uh, he was on that show, and he was 1249 01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,360 Speaker 1: on that show and he kind of broke out as 1250 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,120 Speaker 1: like an actor to watch. And then there was what's 1251 01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,600 Speaker 1: his face from the movie Brooklyn, the lead actor of 1252 01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:11,640 Speaker 1: Brooklyn was Emery Cohen. He was on Smash, which did 1253 01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:17,480 Speaker 1: you watch Smash? He was horrible Smash like bad, like 1254 01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,280 Speaker 1: and when I found out that he was an actor, 1255 01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:23,640 Speaker 1: everyone was talking about him like the fucking waste from Smash. 1256 01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,720 Speaker 1: And then you watch Brooklyn and you're like, wow, he's great. 1257 01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:27,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it was just Smash. Well there's 1258 01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,280 Speaker 1: it's almost like there's like a perfect role for everyone, 1259 01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,320 Speaker 1: and you edges an actor, your job is to just 1260 01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,800 Speaker 1: find out so that you can have a career. Oh 1261 01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:41,840 Speaker 1: my god, like Jennifer Lawrence honestly sure struck old, but 1262 01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,000 Speaker 1: also Jennifer Lawrence, I feel like she kind of found 1263 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,320 Speaker 1: her niche like three different times, Like she like really 1264 01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:51,000 Speaker 1: hit her dramatic moment in Winter's Going. Everyone's like, that's 1265 01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,880 Speaker 1: who she is. And then like when she was in 1266 01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,680 Speaker 1: like Hunger Games, being like a teen sort of icon, 1267 01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:58,919 Speaker 1: they're like, Oh, that's who she is, a big movie star. 1268 01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,040 Speaker 1: And then also it's like weird kind of comedy character 1269 01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,760 Speaker 1: actress things she does and that's who she is. Yeah, exactly, 1270 01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,120 Speaker 1: Like so to see the American Hustle performance and the 1271 01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,720 Speaker 1: Winter's Bone performance, and of course her like big Hunger 1272 01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:16,160 Speaker 1: Games and her of course Oscar winning romantic comedy role 1273 01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:20,640 Speaker 1: in Silver Linings. Like it's like, she actually is pretty versatile. 1274 01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:24,120 Speaker 1: But also try to imagine her doing a British accent 1275 01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:30,000 Speaker 1: please now I won't. It's like people were like, who's 1276 01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,960 Speaker 1: the next Meryl? Everyone was like, jay La, it's Jennifer, 1277 01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:36,240 Speaker 1: Jennifer Lawrence. And I was like, literally, try to imagine 1278 01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,320 Speaker 1: her doing a British accent. But then here she is 1279 01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,320 Speaker 1: in this new movie doing a Russian accent. I think 1280 01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:46,040 Speaker 1: we know what's Sarsha because her American accent is Also, 1281 01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,360 Speaker 1: you can always tell who is actually talented when they 1282 01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:53,160 Speaker 1: slay SNL. Yes, and she was very good. She was 1283 01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,840 Speaker 1: very good. This is actually a rule of culture number 1284 01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,240 Speaker 1: number forty one, which I'll say it and then we'll 1285 01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:01,680 Speaker 1: say it together. When they're scared to host SNL, it's 1286 01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:06,720 Speaker 1: a red flag. When they're scared to host, it's a 1287 01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,600 Speaker 1: red flag. You know who's great at it? Natalie Apartment 1288 01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:14,280 Speaker 1: great host, great Also scarlettre Hanson always a great host. 1289 01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:17,400 Speaker 1: You know who's never hosted Saturday Live? This actually floored 1290 01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:22,439 Speaker 1: me when I realized this. Sandra Bullock, Oh never hosted SNL. 1291 01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,360 Speaker 1: You think she'd be all over that. Yeah, he thinks 1292 01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,080 Speaker 1: she would be a slam dunk. Yeah. Thoughts on Sandra 1293 01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,960 Speaker 1: I enjoy her and limited capacity once a year, and 1294 01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,600 Speaker 1: a romantic thoughts on her Oscar winning turn in The 1295 01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,280 Speaker 1: blind Side. Well, I really wanted to be Gabby instead 1296 01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:43,360 Speaker 1: of But that was my vote too, because Tilda Swinton 1297 01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,120 Speaker 1: was not nominated that year for Julia, which I knew 1298 01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,280 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna happen at a very obscure small movie. You 1299 01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:54,800 Speaker 1: are a Tilda gay Michael Clayton. That got me. But 1300 01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,640 Speaker 1: I don't think I was a Tilda fan before that. 1301 01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:58,920 Speaker 1: I think I knew her from like the Narnia movie, right, 1302 01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,639 Speaker 1: And then my, you've seen Michael Clayton. I've never seen 1303 01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:06,320 Speaker 1: my poet. Michael Clayton is really good. You know. I 1304 01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:08,439 Speaker 1: came when I watched her in Rockovic the other week. 1305 01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,000 Speaker 1: Came up in the and like you will you might 1306 01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,439 Speaker 1: also like? And I was like, really you might also like? 1307 01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:15,519 Speaker 1: But I'm just what an interesting til in that movie? 1308 01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:19,439 Speaker 1: You're gonna love movie because she's so like, like there's 1309 01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,840 Speaker 1: a scene that your entering the meeting of her character 1310 01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,120 Speaker 1: is her giving this speech to like the board but 1311 01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,559 Speaker 1: then there's flashbacks while while you're hearing it to her, 1312 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:31,840 Speaker 1: like ironing her clothes and like really like obsessively putting 1313 01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,679 Speaker 1: herself together, and like it's just such a good it's 1314 01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:38,559 Speaker 1: a it's a performance that the director loves. That's great, 1315 01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:40,639 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah? Um, I do want 1316 01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:44,280 Speaker 1: to ask Nathaniel sort of a modified versions of our 1317 01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,479 Speaker 1: of our of the question of the show right right right, 1318 01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,400 Speaker 1: which is usually what is the culture that made you 1319 01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,920 Speaker 1: think culture was for you? But I if you can 1320 01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,280 Speaker 1: drill down into this, if like, what was the moment 1321 01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:58,280 Speaker 1: or thing that makes you like just become just so 1322 01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,760 Speaker 1: so obsessed with awards or just with film, no, just 1323 01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,559 Speaker 1: with them, not even awards, Like what was the thing 1324 01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,240 Speaker 1: for you just like either growing up or even in 1325 01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:10,080 Speaker 1: your adult life that made you that. I mean, my 1326 01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:11,920 Speaker 1: answer for this is the same as it would be 1327 01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,519 Speaker 1: for the regular question without the awards, because it all 1328 01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,960 Speaker 1: came through that. I will say, this is dating myself. 1329 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:25,800 Speaker 1: I'm I'm an old people listening, we can confirm kidding. 1330 01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,439 Speaker 1: So when I saw the first time I ever, like, 1331 01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,160 Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about the Oscars. My family was 1332 01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,160 Speaker 1: not into movies, and I was actually banned at the 1333 01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:39,600 Speaker 1: dinner table from talking about movies. My father would not 1334 01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:41,960 Speaker 1: let me talk about movies because you wouldn't stop, because 1335 01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,360 Speaker 1: I wouldn't stop once I started. So it made this 1336 01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:45,920 Speaker 1: rule when I was a little kid. He was like, 1337 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,320 Speaker 1: you cannot talk about movies. What movies were you talking 1338 01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,360 Speaker 1: about as a kid. I don't even know, like probably 1339 01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:55,599 Speaker 1: I'm Disney. So but I saw this TV guide with 1340 01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:58,600 Speaker 1: like Oscar on the cover and Et and Gandhi and 1341 01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,840 Speaker 1: all these things, and I'm like, what's this shiny man? 1342 01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:05,519 Speaker 1: So it was night two and I first noticed the 1343 01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,479 Speaker 1: Oscar statue and I was like, what's this about? And 1344 01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:11,479 Speaker 1: I had seen it of course, of course, um, and 1345 01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,960 Speaker 1: then I made my parents gave me to Gandhi because 1346 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,960 Speaker 1: I saw it on the cover of this thing, because 1347 01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,880 Speaker 1: you had to be completest. Yeah, even at that, as 1348 01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:22,240 Speaker 1: soon as I saw the statue, it was like this horrible, 1349 01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:25,160 Speaker 1: this shiny figure I must have. It's like when you 1350 01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:32,280 Speaker 1: think about that Et and Gandhi, we're being looked at 1351 01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,720 Speaker 1: like which one, which one? Which one? I'll put it. 1352 01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,280 Speaker 1: But it was literally just the image of the statue 1353 01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,080 Speaker 1: that like well, yeah, and with those five because they 1354 01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,639 Speaker 1: had the five best pictures or whatever. And I didn't. 1355 01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,320 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I watched the Oscars that year. 1356 01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:46,800 Speaker 1: I was like young, but I was just like, what 1357 01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:51,200 Speaker 1: is the sure because I remember a specific a couple 1358 01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:54,360 Speaker 1: of things from three like or I guess nineteen four 1359 01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,760 Speaker 1: the following year's Oscars. But that's a big peppie of mine. 1360 01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:59,120 Speaker 1: By the way, you need to call it by the 1361 01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:04,080 Speaker 1: year of the movie, some question, not by the year 1362 01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:10,640 Speaker 1: the Oscars. People come on, that's amateur It's very much 1363 01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,720 Speaker 1: amateur hour. Um, I think for us because Matt and 1364 01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:18,639 Speaker 1: I will always say that, like just Titanic dress when 1365 01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,519 Speaker 1: it just blew, like just that that was just like 1366 01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:26,240 Speaker 1: an amazing ceremony ride when she didn't win Best Actress 1367 01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,920 Speaker 1: because I didn't understand that she absolutely shouldn't, you know 1368 01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,200 Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, well, because who want that year 1369 01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,840 Speaker 1: I should have Allen Hunt? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't. 1370 01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,559 Speaker 1: You can't with Helen Hunt. I can't with that year's 1371 01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,599 Speaker 1: Best Actress, right, But anyway to should have been Helen 1372 01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:45,400 Speaker 1: a bottom carter for ing. Honestly, there's no better performance 1373 01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,639 Speaker 1: in the world than go into Greencots and Wizarding World 1374 01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:49,320 Speaker 1: and seeing how in the bottom Carter pop out of 1375 01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,599 Speaker 1: the wall and try to kill you. I will say that, 1376 01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,240 Speaker 1: how what's the giver? What's the theme park Oscar for that? 1377 01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,800 Speaker 1: You ever something for that? Because let me tell you something. 1378 01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,760 Speaker 1: She gets up in your grill, honey and with a 1379 01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,640 Speaker 1: your hair like that. You don't want to see that. No, no, no, 1380 01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,160 Speaker 1: it's so so scary. You know who's even better than 1381 01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:08,799 Speaker 1: Helen Hunt. Also that you're not nominated Julia Sucking Roberts 1382 01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:14,200 Speaker 1: for My Friend's Weather. To me, it's like Julia Roberts 1383 01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,560 Speaker 1: and it's it's it's so weird that her only nomination 1384 01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:21,479 Speaker 1: for being in romantic comedy was Pretty Woman, because it's 1385 01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:25,840 Speaker 1: like she improved on that several times. Nothing hill even 1386 01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:28,040 Speaker 1: that's scene in the stadium when she goes by and 1387 01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:32,480 Speaker 1: she's like, I got moved. You've never seen iconic it's amazing, 1388 01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,920 Speaker 1: or even at the gazebo. I'm sorry, but I have 1389 01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:40,040 Speaker 1: to read her for filth. Shonda rhymes stolen, pick me, 1390 01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:43,519 Speaker 1: choose me, love me from that movie. It's stolen, it's lifted. 1391 01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:47,400 Speaker 1: It's lifted from from from that scene marry me, marry me, 1392 01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,080 Speaker 1: let me make you happy. That sounds like two questions 1393 01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:55,639 Speaker 1: and even just going into the bathroom to chase down Cameron. 1394 01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:57,800 Speaker 1: You know what I mean in exchange, Oh my god, 1395 01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:02,639 Speaker 1: just the way that Julia roberts, here's the information from whatever? 1396 01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,600 Speaker 1: That like, who's chasing you? No one, She's like in 1397 01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,720 Speaker 1: her face, she's just like realizes how crazy she is 1398 01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,800 Speaker 1: and like that. He's right. And also this started one 1399 01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,160 Speaker 1: of my biggest pet peeves. Rouper Everett was not nominated 1400 01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,439 Speaker 1: for that movie. They don't respect the gays when the 1401 01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:19,400 Speaker 1: gays play Gaze, No, they don't thank you. And instead 1402 01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:23,639 Speaker 1: we're gonna back after Army Hammer. Yeah, exactly. And also 1403 01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:26,519 Speaker 1: what do you think of calling about your name? I 1404 01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:29,360 Speaker 1: like it, yeah, but I I wish gay actress would 1405 01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,920 Speaker 1: get to play Do you think that Armie Hammer is 1406 01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:35,800 Speaker 1: miscast in that movie? Are you of that thought or 1407 01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,280 Speaker 1: are you liking him in the movie? I'm sort of 1408 01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:41,000 Speaker 1: in between. I mean, he's not the draw of the movie. 1409 01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:46,879 Speaker 1: For me. It's aim. I will say this, if someone 1410 01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,960 Speaker 1: else did that role that was a little bit better 1411 01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,160 Speaker 1: cast for it, I think we'd be a lot more excited. 1412 01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:55,879 Speaker 1: Not that I have a problem with Armie Hammer himself. 1413 01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,600 Speaker 1: I just think he looks too old to I don't know. 1414 01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:02,120 Speaker 1: I think I think the age difference in that movie 1415 01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:06,280 Speaker 1: just to me, it wasn't it doesn't doesn't difference to me. 1416 01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,680 Speaker 1: It was just like the chemistry, yeah, and just the 1417 01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:11,960 Speaker 1: aloofness of that character, the way that it's he's written 1418 01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:14,639 Speaker 1: in the book, and not that it's gospel to stick 1419 01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,599 Speaker 1: to the book at all. But as I've said on 1420 01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:24,000 Speaker 1: this show, the movie is not is is good film, 1421 01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:28,599 Speaker 1: but not good adaptation. That's that's that's that's I guess 1422 01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,240 Speaker 1: that you have to decide which doesn't ye which I 1423 01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,519 Speaker 1: was gonna say, doesn't super count for anything at all, 1424 01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,080 Speaker 1: But I don't know. I just it's interesting sometimes to 1425 01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:38,200 Speaker 1: use you read the book first, right, read the book, 1426 01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,240 Speaker 1: and you know my story about this, it's coming home 1427 01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,360 Speaker 1: from things, coming back to New York from Thanksgiving. Finished 1428 01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,880 Speaker 1: the book on the plane, like within seconds of us 1429 01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,000 Speaker 1: touching down, and I was like, I have to go 1430 01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,600 Speaker 1: see this tonight. I have to because I was so 1431 01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,120 Speaker 1: moved by the book, and I was like, I have 1432 01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:53,840 Speaker 1: to go. And of course it wasn't going to live 1433 01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:56,720 Speaker 1: up to the book and like you know, the emotional 1434 01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:58,880 Speaker 1: sort of contours of the book, and so I just 1435 01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,240 Speaker 1: went to the theater and I was like, this was bad. 1436 01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,840 Speaker 1: What a bad film? And it just ruined the whole 1437 01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,599 Speaker 1: thing for me. You didn't like it? You're a part 1438 01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:09,880 Speaker 1: of the Whispered network. HPJ is raising his hand on 1439 01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,240 Speaker 1: this podcast. But I have a question for it. Do 1440 01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:14,519 Speaker 1: you want to come on the Mica, come over here 1441 01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:16,920 Speaker 1: and join. I'm sorry, no, Now, what's going on? So 1442 01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:21,040 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Nathaniel. What's the greatest Oscar snub of all time? Oh? 1443 01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,639 Speaker 1: This is good. I want to get into these general questions. Yes, 1444 01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,040 Speaker 1: forget calling bout your name. We've had this fucking conversation. 1445 01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:32,360 Speaker 1: You mean, winning or not nominated or not nominated? You 1446 01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,200 Speaker 1: must have a stock answer for this. Maybe you don't, 1447 01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:42,040 Speaker 1: but I mind I have. I do have stock answers 1448 01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:46,320 Speaker 1: for this, and I'm going blank my biggest I want 1449 01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:48,200 Speaker 1: to I do want to say, and I know I'm 1450 01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,960 Speaker 1: always like beating a dead horse. Please the worst snob 1451 01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:55,080 Speaker 1: ever for me for the win Michelle Fiver and fabulous 1452 01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:57,040 Speaker 1: Baker Boys. Yeah for sure, for sure, And that was 1453 01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:59,960 Speaker 1: who won that year, Jessica Tandy and driving his stay 1454 01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:03,479 Speaker 1: fucking Cares. I could be snarky in the back of 1455 01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:07,960 Speaker 1: a car. I really can, because when the answer I 1456 01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,920 Speaker 1: had originally prepared for the what made you know culture 1457 01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,080 Speaker 1: was for for you was Michelle f I f around 1458 01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:18,880 Speaker 1: the piano top and seared into my brain to such 1459 01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,439 Speaker 1: an extent that I could not stop thinking about movies 1460 01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:24,919 Speaker 1: from then on. Basically, yeah, I mean that's an iconic image. 1461 01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,200 Speaker 1: Um yeah, I mean the fact that she doesn't have 1462 01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:32,840 Speaker 1: like something, it's so strange. She won everything leading up 1463 01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:36,120 Speaker 1: to you. It's so bizarre interesting they didn't they didn't 1464 01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:38,280 Speaker 1: have as many awards back then. Sure, but she won 1465 01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:42,879 Speaker 1: all the major film critics awards like the Golden Globe, everything, 1466 01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,280 Speaker 1: you know, they just she was just on Jessica. She 1467 01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:48,400 Speaker 1: was on the red carpet with that David Kelly, and 1468 01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:49,559 Speaker 1: they were like, what are we going to get her 1469 01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,800 Speaker 1: apart and and and big little Lies, And she was 1470 01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,120 Speaker 1: just like, I mean, I'm so much better than all 1471 01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,479 Speaker 1: she is. She is talking about someone who is just 1472 01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:01,760 Speaker 1: like Hollywood. A like just when they cut to her 1473 01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:05,160 Speaker 1: when big Little Eyes, she was just she was like cool. 1474 01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,400 Speaker 1: She was like, I have a story that I must 1475 01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:13,519 Speaker 1: share about like Hollywood. And even going back to Tanya 1476 01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,600 Speaker 1: Harding and Nancy Carrigan and Michelle Feiffer Okay. I was 1477 01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:18,920 Speaker 1: invited to the premiere of the Story of Us. Now 1478 01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:20,120 Speaker 1: you have to go way back in the time, and 1479 01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:24,680 Speaker 1: she has like nine and so I get there and 1480 01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:26,439 Speaker 1: they had had some sort of mix up, so it 1481 01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,040 Speaker 1: was like, are you going to get into the theater 1482 01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,160 Speaker 1: or not? But they had This was the Zig Field, 1483 01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:36,280 Speaker 1: which is now closed sad. I didn't know that, so um, 1484 01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,080 Speaker 1: and it was like the best place for premieres in 1485 01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,680 Speaker 1: New York because they actually had room to have like 1486 01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,360 Speaker 1: the limos pull up and all that stuff. They could 1487 01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,960 Speaker 1: roll it out so that all the stars were showing up, 1488 01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,280 Speaker 1: like Bruce Willis and Michelle Favor and all those people. 1489 01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,519 Speaker 1: And every single time, so I ended up plastered against 1490 01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,840 Speaker 1: the window of the theater because it's huge. It used 1491 01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,439 Speaker 1: to be the huge windows you could see all the 1492 01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:59,920 Speaker 1: stars when the red carpet stuff, and every single block. 1493 01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,559 Speaker 1: Women that came in, these sucking bitches standing around me 1494 01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:07,760 Speaker 1: were like and I would be like, how how did 1495 01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:11,280 Speaker 1: I How did I miss her? When I'm like her 1496 01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:16,080 Speaker 1: biggest fan, And this one woman was like, I'm like, 1497 01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:20,760 Speaker 1: that is Axana by you? How are you going to 1498 01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:31,880 Speaker 1: confuse by you? That's real number. That is Michelle how 1499 01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:35,280 Speaker 1: dare I had to home she was a miniaturized half 1500 01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,880 Speaker 1: version of Michelle Phifer at best. Any blonde that walked in, 1501 01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,040 Speaker 1: they would show it's Michelle Fifer. That that's that's abusive, 1502 01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:45,519 Speaker 1: that's racist. Yeah, as a person of color, I can 1503 01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,360 Speaker 1: say with authority that's racist. Yeah, that is racist. Oh 1504 01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:51,040 Speaker 1: my god, well wait, hold on, does this make you mad? 1505 01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:55,200 Speaker 1: Crash winning Oscar for Best Picture. That was actually one 1506 01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:58,600 Speaker 1: of my more famous moments as a pundant. Yes, you 1507 01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,280 Speaker 1: got a lot of people on the online talking about 1508 01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:04,760 Speaker 1: how enraged I was, and somebody, somebody even called me 1509 01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:09,000 Speaker 1: a self loading homosexual. Oh my god, because I was 1510 01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,840 Speaker 1: so upset and why is he taking it so personally? Know, 1511 01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,759 Speaker 1: you would be self loading homosexual for rooting for Crash 1512 01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:17,080 Speaker 1: over broke back, you fucking idea? That was what a 1513 01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:20,240 Speaker 1: dumb thing for them to say. Honestly, that was that 1514 01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:23,879 Speaker 1: was truly stupid, and that I think that made me say, Okay, 1515 01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:26,720 Speaker 1: I'm not putting as much stock in this anymore, Like 1516 01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:28,800 Speaker 1: it's not the illusion was broken. I guess it was 1517 01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,439 Speaker 1: the first time I realized the world isn't fair. I 1518 01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:35,679 Speaker 1: broke back, lost, might do good things happen? To bad movies. Um, 1519 01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,200 Speaker 1: that's a good question. Yeah, that's a really good question. 1520 01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:40,519 Speaker 1: That's just that's that might even be the title of 1521 01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:46,400 Speaker 1: this episode. Do good things happened to bad movies? Um? Well, 1522 01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:49,519 Speaker 1: I will say I definitely hope we're not in for 1523 01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:52,000 Speaker 1: a boring Oscar year. I really don't want I don't 1524 01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:56,080 Speaker 1: want to see um three billboards when I mean, I 1525 01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,560 Speaker 1: think I think it's for the post You think that 1526 01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:01,040 Speaker 1: would be boring, I mean it would, And I actually 1527 01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,160 Speaker 1: think that's why it's having such a roller coaster thing 1528 01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:06,240 Speaker 1: because it's like state school. It's like previously what would 1529 01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:08,680 Speaker 1: have been like right right, right, right right? The big 1530 01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:12,559 Speaker 1: thing it's it's yeah, it's part of this referendum that 1531 01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:14,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's like old versus new. It's like 1532 01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:15,840 Speaker 1: do you want to do you want to vote for 1533 01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:18,400 Speaker 1: something that stands for the way things used to work. 1534 01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,920 Speaker 1: I do think that The post Um is a nice 1535 01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,120 Speaker 1: movie because it's about the press, and you know, it's 1536 01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:25,559 Speaker 1: about like the press speaking truth to power and that's 1537 01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:28,479 Speaker 1: kind of cool. But yeah, I mean they said it 1538 01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:30,519 Speaker 1: all and that joke with Amy that the Golden Clothes 1539 01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:32,960 Speaker 1: I felt was hilarious. When Seth Marris was like, it's 1540 01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,759 Speaker 1: a drama directed by Steven Schilburg and Starry Tom Hanks 1541 01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:38,640 Speaker 1: and Meryl Streep and the girl comes out with the 1542 01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:42,640 Speaker 1: armful of Yeah, it's funny to me, I thought. I 1543 01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:44,559 Speaker 1: was like, oh, of course it's going to win everything, 1544 01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:48,040 Speaker 1: and then it didn't. Also, just as a movie, um, 1545 01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:51,439 Speaker 1: just that last that third act made no sense where 1546 01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:53,080 Speaker 1: it was like Tom Hankster's up to Meryll's house and 1547 01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,120 Speaker 1: it was like we might go to prison, and then 1548 01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,920 Speaker 1: cut to like the Supreme Court rolling everything, like the 1549 01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:00,880 Speaker 1: stakes were immediately dropped. That's like, what have a great showman? 1550 01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,599 Speaker 1: When they were like, oh no, everything burned down and 1551 01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,720 Speaker 1: we lost all the money. Wait, hold on, we can 1552 01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:10,080 Speaker 1: still do it, and then they literally just did it. 1553 01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:13,960 Speaker 1: I was like what, Yeah, it's like Efron was almost dead, 1554 01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:18,080 Speaker 1: they lost all the money, ship burned down. Wait hold on, 1555 01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,840 Speaker 1: actually dot dot dot and all of a sudden there's 1556 01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:25,320 Speaker 1: a none of this matters spoiler alert alert for everyone 1557 01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:28,439 Speaker 1: gets waited this varnesty greatest Showman who was planning on 1558 01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:31,120 Speaker 1: seeing it next week. I guess, um, I would be 1559 01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:35,040 Speaker 1: gagged if this is me one an oscar and we 1560 01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,120 Speaker 1: got to see do you think she'll sing it with 1561 01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:39,479 Speaker 1: the beard on the oscars or do you think Kesh 1562 01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,600 Speaker 1: would come in and know if they get cash to 1563 01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:43,200 Speaker 1: sing that song, that would be a slap in the 1564 01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:47,200 Speaker 1: face to Kiolla. It needs miss Kialla Settle. It's actually 1565 01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:51,800 Speaker 1: rule number fifty three of culture Settle. I butchered the 1566 01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:55,400 Speaker 1: name a little bits, okay um. I don't think she listens. 1567 01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,639 Speaker 1: I don't think she's thinking about it. Sure, she's too 1568 01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,120 Speaker 1: busy refreshing the hits on that one viral video she 1569 01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:05,000 Speaker 1: has now, uh the rehearsal of the Greatest Showman? Have 1570 01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,960 Speaker 1: you seen that? There's a point where she's singing it 1571 01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:10,639 Speaker 1: and she goes over and Hugh Jackman's they're like watching 1572 01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:13,160 Speaker 1: her and she to break down in the bridge when 1573 01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:17,120 Speaker 1: she's like I've heard about and she goes over and 1574 01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,400 Speaker 1: like grabs his hand and she's like looking at Hugh 1575 01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:22,360 Speaker 1: like they've been friends their whole fucking life, and she's 1576 01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,519 Speaker 1: like connecting with him and he's like, yes, honey, like 1577 01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:28,559 Speaker 1: give it all. You got cameras. The cameras are there, 1578 01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:33,559 Speaker 1: cameras are there. He was feeling that he got up dancing. Also, 1579 01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:35,479 Speaker 1: did you see the clip of so he had like 1580 01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:38,759 Speaker 1: I guess like a skin cancer removed from his face, 1581 01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:41,200 Speaker 1: so he couldn't sing that day. So they brought in 1582 01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:44,519 Speaker 1: Jeremy Jordan to do all of his parts, and he's 1583 01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:49,519 Speaker 1: singing the song, um from now on. That was my 1584 01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:54,160 Speaker 1: best shoot Jacumen impression. That was pretty good, not bad, um, 1585 01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:57,000 Speaker 1: thank you. But so Jeremy starts to sing the song 1586 01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:59,400 Speaker 1: and he was like standing beside him because they said 1587 01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:01,479 Speaker 1: he could you just like stand up and act it 1588 01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:03,599 Speaker 1: with your face because the buyers are here, like let's 1589 01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,080 Speaker 1: sell the movie. He's like sitting there and he's listening 1590 01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:07,720 Speaker 1: to the song and he just like is crying a 1591 01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:10,160 Speaker 1: single tire. And then he just starts singing, like against 1592 01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:12,640 Speaker 1: the wishes of his doctor, because he was supposed to 1593 01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:15,559 Speaker 1: be there and like not sing but then he just 1594 01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:19,400 Speaker 1: starts singing it from this place of like passion that 1595 01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:24,000 Speaker 1: you wish you possessed, Like Hugh Jackman just buys into 1596 01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,760 Speaker 1: this bullshit so much. He's singing this song, honey, he 1597 01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:31,040 Speaker 1: is belting. He and all the cast is like, oh 1598 01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:35,280 Speaker 1: my god, except Jeremy Jordan is stond They're like, am 1599 01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm not doing this now? Like my check the same, 1600 01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:42,200 Speaker 1: like what's what's good with this? You know what, that's 1601 01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:45,439 Speaker 1: a lot of storytelling in one video. It was. It 1602 01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:48,800 Speaker 1: was crazy. Also, that's why I like the movie. It's 1603 01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:53,840 Speaker 1: too much when during this is me also rewrite the 1604 01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,479 Speaker 1: Stars that number I got my life? And also I 1605 01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:58,360 Speaker 1: thought zac eFront was maybe one of the best things 1606 01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:01,840 Speaker 1: about the movie and the greatest seen in acting this 1607 01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:06,040 Speaker 1: year is when zac Efron goes, you brought joy into 1608 01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:09,639 Speaker 1: my life. Okay, all right, it's better than anything you've 1609 01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:12,320 Speaker 1: ever done. You've ever done, You've ever done, and I've 1610 01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:14,479 Speaker 1: ever done, and anyone that listens to this, you haven't 1611 01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:17,120 Speaker 1: done anything as good as Zach Effron. And rewrite and 1612 01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:20,760 Speaker 1: we write the Stars and Greatest Showman. Okay, let's move 1613 01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,360 Speaker 1: on to let's move on to I don't think so, honey, um, 1614 01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:25,080 Speaker 1: I think are we gonna Are we gonna make this 1615 01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:29,200 Speaker 1: and give this ecentric? I don't think so, because I 1616 01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:32,200 Speaker 1: definitely have one great Okay, cool, I've got one. But 1617 01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:33,680 Speaker 1: do you want to I went first last week? You 1618 01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:35,679 Speaker 1: want to go first? This time? I could go first. Okay, 1619 01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:37,759 Speaker 1: So this is one minute to rail against something in culture, 1620 01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:42,439 Speaker 1: for this one, for this installment, something in cinema. Maybe 1621 01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:45,719 Speaker 1: this year, maybe at large or just you know, without 1622 01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:49,360 Speaker 1: what I have topical topic, topical topics. So this is 1623 01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:53,759 Speaker 1: topical fish I'm thinking of. By the way, RuPaul's Gregory 1624 01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:55,920 Speaker 1: is All Stars come back real soon. And guess what, guys, 1625 01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:58,120 Speaker 1: we're going to be recapping it for Vulture, were recapping 1626 01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:00,719 Speaker 1: for Vulture jointly. It'll be very fun that in America's 1627 01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:03,559 Speaker 1: Next Time Model. Um so read up on Vulture. Great. 1628 01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:06,080 Speaker 1: So this is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so, honey, 1629 01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:08,200 Speaker 1: His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Not 1630 01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:11,120 Speaker 1: Mark Wahlberg, but anyone who puts Mark Wahlberg in a movie. 1631 01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,599 Speaker 1: Here's the deal. You have never ever ever seen Mark 1632 01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,120 Speaker 1: Wallberg give a truthful piece of acting in his life. 1633 01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:20,840 Speaker 1: He's always Mark Wahlberg trying really hard and try as 1634 01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:22,400 Speaker 1: hard as he might, He's never going to give you 1635 01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:25,840 Speaker 1: the realness an Oscar nomination for The Departed, like yeah 1636 01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:28,840 Speaker 1: for like standing there and saying the lines no, thank you, honey, 1637 01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:31,200 Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Also, he is good in 1638 01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:34,559 Speaker 1: Boogie Nights by Accident, just like January Jones and Madman 1639 01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:38,559 Speaker 1: by Accident. I'm sorry all credit, and he is exempt 1640 01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:40,160 Speaker 1: from this I don't think so, honey, because of course 1641 01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:42,240 Speaker 1: you want to cast Mark Wahlberg as a porn star. 1642 01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:45,800 Speaker 1: That works for me. Mark Wahlberg is all up in 1643 01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:47,479 Speaker 1: all the Money in the world, which is kind of 1644 01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:50,160 Speaker 1: an ironic title. And also I just want to say 1645 01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:54,040 Speaker 1: he can't possibly um be saving this movie from himself. 1646 01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:55,760 Speaker 1: First of all, Ridley Scott, I would have like a 1647 01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:58,000 Speaker 1: little bit of sympathy for you had you like cast 1648 01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:00,360 Speaker 1: another actor, but you show that you don't care about 1649 01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:02,800 Speaker 1: your movie when you put Mark Wahlbrick in. It is 1650 01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,599 Speaker 1: a money thing, and I don't trust anyone that's jumps 1651 01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:08,000 Speaker 1: onto the Transformers franchise in the fourth film. I don't 1652 01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:12,240 Speaker 1: think so, honey, anyone. And that's one minute. Oh my goodness. Sorry, 1653 01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:14,480 Speaker 1: but like to pretend he's a good actor is insane, 1654 01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:17,920 Speaker 1: Like he's never done anything worth it on screen really 1655 01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,280 Speaker 1: except look like Mark Wahlburg, which you know what says 1656 01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:24,000 Speaker 1: a lot. And he also has disowned The Boogie Nights, 1657 01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:29,240 Speaker 1: which is its only claim to its insanee. Also, I'm sorry, 1658 01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:32,479 Speaker 1: but he said he could stop nine eleven and he 1659 01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:35,880 Speaker 1: blinded a fucking Vietnamese man. Look, there's so much with 1660 01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,720 Speaker 1: Mark Wahlbrick. It's so funny that only now people are like, 1661 01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:41,760 Speaker 1: actually fucked this guy. No, actually fucked this guy for 1662 01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:45,800 Speaker 1: producing Entourage. Actually fucked this guy for producing anything like 1663 01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,679 Speaker 1: any anything else where. I'm sorry, but it's a group 1664 01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:50,760 Speaker 1: of men and the joke is, oh, there's Come on 1665 01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:54,120 Speaker 1: the floor over there, like I'm so over these bro series. 1666 01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:57,919 Speaker 1: I love this that that's the catch all sort of images. 1667 01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:00,000 Speaker 1: There's come on the floor. Yeah, it's like that movie 1668 01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,559 Speaker 1: with what's his face? Miles Teller who I can't stand 1669 01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,120 Speaker 1: and Zach Gefan and Michael B. Jordan's like that movie 1670 01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:08,400 Speaker 1: where they were all like three dudes. Who fuck? That 1671 01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:10,200 Speaker 1: was like it you know what I mean. It's like 1672 01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:13,559 Speaker 1: these movies where it's like, oh, dude, my boner won't 1673 01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:15,439 Speaker 1: go down. It's like, I don't want to see this 1674 01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:18,280 Speaker 1: ship and literally who is the man that produces all 1675 01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:21,640 Speaker 1: that kind of garbage? Mark wa So like, directors of Hollywood, 1676 01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:24,000 Speaker 1: stop buying into it. Just don't give him the fucking check. 1677 01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:27,720 Speaker 1: It's insane that we'n't even putting Goddess Michelle Williams on 1678 01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:31,880 Speaker 1: the same keel as like Mark Wahlberg. It doesn't make 1679 01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:37,680 Speaker 1: any sense. I mean no, okay, and and this is 1680 01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:40,559 Speaker 1: this is the longest you've gone to like extrapolate beyond 1681 01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:43,160 Speaker 1: your minute. Well, because I did. I did what I 1682 01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:45,040 Speaker 1: did last week too, which is I started by I 1683 01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:47,640 Speaker 1: don't think so honey as one thing, and then I 1684 01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:49,439 Speaker 1: realized it was about another. I should have just said 1685 01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:52,200 Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Mark Wahlberg, that's really my problem, 1686 01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:54,759 Speaker 1: I think because if he didn't exist, then directors wouldn't 1687 01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,240 Speaker 1: be putting him in movies, and therefore I wouldn't have 1688 01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,080 Speaker 1: a problem with them. He made him the object and 1689 01:28:58,160 --> 01:28:59,760 Speaker 1: not the subject. You right, I have to more be 1690 01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:03,160 Speaker 1: more active and was passive. There you go, Okay, all right, okay, 1691 01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:06,880 Speaker 1: I think I'm ready. Mrs Bowen Yang's I don't think 1692 01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,559 Speaker 1: so honey, and his time starts right now. I don't 1693 01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:12,760 Speaker 1: think so honey. Alexander Payne for saying that Hong Chow 1694 01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:16,639 Speaker 1: is Vietnamese for scene stealer, What the fuck take those 1695 01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,599 Speaker 1: kinds of racist jokes when you were married to Sandra, Oh, 1696 01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:23,360 Speaker 1: new piece of shit. I refuse to see downsize. Even 1697 01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:24,760 Speaker 1: if I had the screener in front of me, I 1698 01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,200 Speaker 1: would chuck that at the fucking window, or I would 1699 01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:29,320 Speaker 1: give it to I would give it to some street 1700 01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:31,160 Speaker 1: salesman in Chinatown and see and say, you know what, 1701 01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:34,080 Speaker 1: I hope you make twenty dollars off of this, sir. Look, 1702 01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:39,000 Speaker 1: Alexander Payne has put all of us through so much. 1703 01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:41,160 Speaker 1: I never want to see. I never want to talk 1704 01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:43,200 Speaker 1: about Sideways and never want to think about it again. 1705 01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:45,000 Speaker 1: I never want to think about the Descendants again. I 1706 01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:48,959 Speaker 1: never want to think about his stupid sis head older 1707 01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:53,280 Speaker 1: men centric of films ever. Again, I don't think so, honey, 1708 01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:56,639 Speaker 1: Alexander Paine. Seconds. Don't you make a mockery of Hon 1709 01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:00,719 Speaker 1: Chow's name when she's the only redeeming thing about your film? 1710 01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,640 Speaker 1: How do I know that? Without without seeing the film? 1711 01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:06,240 Speaker 1: Matt saw it exact How we know so? I don't 1712 01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:10,840 Speaker 1: think so, honey, Alexander pain disgusting piece of ship director 1713 01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:13,400 Speaker 1: who will not amount to anything after this huge stain 1714 01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:19,240 Speaker 1: on your filmography and your conscience. And that's one minute seconds. Listen, 1715 01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:22,919 Speaker 1: Downsizing is interesting for the first hour and then becomes 1716 01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:26,840 Speaker 1: fully insane. Did you agree? Yeah? Well, and but Ngo 1717 01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:31,160 Speaker 1: is amazing that she is incredible. I'm not that's but 1718 01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:33,760 Speaker 1: but I we can confirm that Hung Chow is not 1719 01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:38,440 Speaker 1: Vietnamese first scene stealer. Like I get that it's a compliment, 1720 01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:42,519 Speaker 1: but like, just call her a scene stealer. Just say God, 1721 01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:45,759 Speaker 1: say it was great. Yeah, that's that's all it takes. 1722 01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:47,679 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't how about if you're making 1723 01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:49,600 Speaker 1: a movie like that that you're willing to change in 1724 01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:52,080 Speaker 1: every act because it becomes a different movie. And how 1725 01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,479 Speaker 1: about realized it should be all about her because she's 1726 01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:57,879 Speaker 1: the interesting parton and then changed the movie? Truly insane 1727 01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:00,800 Speaker 1: to pretend that Kristin Wig is in it right, Like, 1728 01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:03,160 Speaker 1: she is not in it. She's not in it. She 1729 01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:06,479 Speaker 1: took a weekend off and did that movie. And also, 1730 01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:09,439 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what when that movie fully lost itself 1731 01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:12,439 Speaker 1: was that zany music it was playing when when during 1732 01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:14,880 Speaker 1: the reveal that she didn't go through with it, they 1733 01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,800 Speaker 1: like boop doop doop doop doop. That's like happening while 1734 01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:19,920 Speaker 1: he's like on the phone with Christen Wig finding out 1735 01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:22,280 Speaker 1: that she didn't do it. It's like, yeah, this movie 1736 01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:26,960 Speaker 1: totally is a fucking garbage heep. I think it's important 1737 01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:29,240 Speaker 1: to say that Nathaniel just basically script doctor to that 1738 01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:32,080 Speaker 1: movie in two sentences there you go. So that would 1739 01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,400 Speaker 1: be another side line of work for me, which is 1740 01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:38,280 Speaker 1: so if anybody needs a script doctor, honestly, listen, this 1741 01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:40,280 Speaker 1: is someone who knows this stuff. One very good one 1742 01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:43,040 Speaker 1: passed away last year, so we need another one who's that. 1743 01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:48,040 Speaker 1: Ms carry Fisher famously script script doctor and no one 1744 01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:51,400 Speaker 1: really knows that. Yeah, and famously wrote lots of novels 1745 01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,160 Speaker 1: which a lot of I think a lot of people 1746 01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:57,200 Speaker 1: haven't read, but are amazing. Yeah. She was in my 1747 01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:01,639 Speaker 1: list of like culture things her book Big Surrender the Pink, 1748 01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:04,160 Speaker 1: which was after Postcards from the Edge, even better than 1749 01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:07,000 Speaker 1: Postcards from Wow, they should make that into a film, 1750 01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:09,599 Speaker 1: then they should Surrender the Pink. I haven't seen Postcards 1751 01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:11,599 Speaker 1: from the Edge. I should see that. Have you seen 1752 01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:14,559 Speaker 1: Thelma and Louise Famous? This is one of our Oh 1753 01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:16,000 Speaker 1: my god, this is one of the big things we 1754 01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:18,040 Speaker 1: have to do and watch that. I've never seen it. 1755 01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:20,160 Speaker 1: That's my favorite movie ever. I think it's the best. 1756 01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:22,960 Speaker 1: It's a really Scott film, which makes me say, really, 1757 01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:24,920 Speaker 1: I know you're better than this. And I'm someone that 1758 01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:29,880 Speaker 1: even like Prometheus, I didn't hate. Did he direct the 1759 01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:33,040 Speaker 1: latest the latest movie at the Covenant movie? No he 1760 01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:34,439 Speaker 1: didn't do that one. He didn't do that one. He 1761 01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:38,360 Speaker 1: did Prometheus, which I liked. He's very hit and miss. 1762 01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:40,320 Speaker 1: He's super hit and miss, but when he hits, I 1763 01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:42,920 Speaker 1: think he's like among the best. But also he's working 1764 01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:46,080 Speaker 1: with like a fucking historically good script on Delman and Louise, 1765 01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:49,280 Speaker 1: and it's really kind of co directed by by Susan 1766 01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:51,640 Speaker 1: and Gena. I think you think so. I think you 1767 01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:54,040 Speaker 1: know that Palm Door Winner a few years back. Blue 1768 01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:56,960 Speaker 1: is the warmest color. How they the jury decided that 1769 01:32:57,000 --> 01:33:00,519 Speaker 1: the actresses should also have the wow the director and 1770 01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:02,960 Speaker 1: both addresses that should have been thumb on Louise. I 1771 01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:05,519 Speaker 1: think I think I might agree for the oscars. So 1772 01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:09,640 Speaker 1: would you call yourself a Susan strand an apologist? Not 1773 01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:13,040 Speaker 1: after the election? I can only take it so far, yea, God, 1774 01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:16,080 Speaker 1: Dolman and Louise only takes you so far exactly. I 1775 01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:19,280 Speaker 1: would say I'd be interested in smoking and getting very 1776 01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:21,320 Speaker 1: high with Shusans random because she looks like a lot 1777 01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:24,120 Speaker 1: of fun. It looks like someone who definitely knows her 1778 01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:27,640 Speaker 1: way around marijuana, and that's it. Like, and then I 1779 01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:30,040 Speaker 1: probably would be like, oh, that was like really strange, 1780 01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:33,599 Speaker 1: because like she would say some crazy shit like Bernie, 1781 01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:38,320 Speaker 1: uh could like solve cancer or something could solve cancer. 1782 01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:40,680 Speaker 1: We thought we had friends who've worked with her who 1783 01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:44,000 Speaker 1: have had nothing but nice things to say. All right, Nathaniel, 1784 01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:46,160 Speaker 1: this is this is big. Are you ready not to 1785 01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:47,559 Speaker 1: put pressure on you? This is going to be sure. 1786 01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:50,240 Speaker 1: I'm ready. I didn't prepare anything. Awards. Yeah, but yeah, 1787 01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:51,840 Speaker 1: but you know what you know, and this is a 1788 01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:53,679 Speaker 1: top of mind for you. You know, it's like it'll 1789 01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:55,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's there, It's all there. You just have 1790 01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:57,880 Speaker 1: to skim and don't feel free to not go as 1791 01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:00,920 Speaker 1: fast as we went, because we famously speak faster than 1792 01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:03,120 Speaker 1: we can think, and we can't think very fast, whereas 1793 01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:06,479 Speaker 1: I think you have an incredibly fast mind. Yes, and 1794 01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:10,120 Speaker 1: maybe just maybe just just you know, speaking more once 1795 01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:13,519 Speaker 1: and and Nathaniel's sharpness will will take him all the 1796 01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:16,759 Speaker 1: way here. Absolutely we're getting we're getting pre color commentary. 1797 01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:18,840 Speaker 1: But can I break the rules and not making about 1798 01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:23,320 Speaker 1: awards you this is drag. This is drag. Okay, there 1799 01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:25,920 Speaker 1: are no rules. Okay, this is a Nathaniel. Okay, we're 1800 01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:29,000 Speaker 1: about to kick this off. This is a Nathaniel. Nathaniel 1801 01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:31,120 Speaker 1: Rodgers is I don't think so, honey. His time starts now, 1802 01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:36,599 Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. It is January, and every 1803 01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:39,560 Speaker 1: January I have to start the year hearing Frank Sinatra's 1804 01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:43,240 Speaker 1: New York, New York. Oh and it was written for 1805 01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:49,519 Speaker 1: fucking Liza Manella, Yes, and it should be Liza minell A. 1806 01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:52,960 Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra is always stealing from the man Eli's because 1807 01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:56,400 Speaker 1: they also call him. I know he's dead, but I 1808 01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:03,080 Speaker 1: don't care, because the world's greatest entertainer that none of 1809 01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:08,120 Speaker 1: this heteronormative bullshit that is Judy Garland. So now he's starts. 1810 01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:13,160 Speaker 1: He stole that title posthumously but still stolen, still stolen 1811 01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:16,840 Speaker 1: on the less and that's Judy's. And then it takes 1812 01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:19,240 Speaker 1: New York, New York signature song from lizam l A 1813 01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:21,240 Speaker 1: and it bugs me. Every January is when I get 1814 01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:22,599 Speaker 1: worked up about it. So I just wanted to share 1815 01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:26,240 Speaker 1: it with I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute, 1816 01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:29,360 Speaker 1: you know what, and also an education because I truly 1817 01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:31,960 Speaker 1: you would never even know Liza was the was the 1818 01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:35,680 Speaker 1: was the one because it is constantly associated and wrongfully 1819 01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:40,080 Speaker 1: accredited to Frank. Wow. Wow, that's the first thing we 1820 01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:43,519 Speaker 1: hear every year and that's why the world sucks. That 1821 01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:46,280 Speaker 1: and it's and it's and it's every year you realize 1822 01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:48,760 Speaker 1: the world sucks because Frank sings it and it's not his. 1823 01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:51,519 Speaker 1: It's like when when the ball drops and you have 1824 01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:54,599 Speaker 1: this euphoric feeling of a new year, but something is wrong. 1825 01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:58,479 Speaker 1: It's because of what's playing that's right. And it's like, 1826 01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:01,640 Speaker 1: you guys know the filmmaker Boostlo Bruce. Okay, he's a 1827 01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:04,840 Speaker 1: gay in d filmmaker, love him. Um So he has 1828 01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:07,160 Speaker 1: this movie called Radsbury Reich. And one of the things 1829 01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:09,960 Speaker 1: that the activists are always saying is heterosexualities that OPI 1830 01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:13,719 Speaker 1: out of the masses. And that is why it's always 1831 01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:17,639 Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra's voice instead of lives. Oh my god, that's 1832 01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:19,920 Speaker 1: I believe. Okay. I have a question, is did Judy 1833 01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:23,120 Speaker 1: Garland biopic with Anne Hathaway still happening. Oh that's another 1834 01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:26,720 Speaker 1: thing I was going to bring up in this whole Yeah, 1835 01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:30,160 Speaker 1: is I was at a party for Lame Miss and 1836 01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:32,439 Speaker 1: I was super super six. I didn't want to breathe 1837 01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:35,479 Speaker 1: on Anne Hathaway because I worship her. Yeah, you like, 1838 01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:38,360 Speaker 1: and but I don't. We do not need any more 1839 01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:44,080 Speaker 1: Judy Garland biopics. That's right, we have about Judy Davis. Um, 1840 01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:46,960 Speaker 1: we have had plenty, but Anne Hathaway should be starting 1841 01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:50,040 Speaker 1: at elizaman Ali biopic. And so I said, so I 1842 01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:51,880 Speaker 1: said this at my table that I was sitting at 1843 01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:54,240 Speaker 1: this lay miss thing. And Robert Wool is that the 1844 01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:57,120 Speaker 1: kind of art lists? Right? He's at my table and 1845 01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:59,599 Speaker 1: he gets up and goes to Anne Hathaway and tells 1846 01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:02,639 Speaker 1: her that he took credit from my idea. Oh my god. 1847 01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:06,479 Speaker 1: Robert comes back to the table and say, oh, I 1848 01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:09,040 Speaker 1: told her, I told her that thing about life. I 1849 01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:12,960 Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, Roberto, Robert will Well too bad. 1850 01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:16,240 Speaker 1: We have to search for that fucking credit. Arlists. Sandra 1851 01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:18,760 Speaker 1: has moved on from that. Why don't you Robert? My 1852 01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:21,160 Speaker 1: favorite joke ever in thirty Rock. This is a lie. 1853 01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:23,400 Speaker 1: It's a joke from the direct but I like and 1854 01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:25,800 Speaker 1: Jack Donicky's like, what am I going to do? Listen 1855 01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:28,880 Speaker 1: to some Cable Ace Award winner and Jane Krikhowsky goes, 1856 01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:35,519 Speaker 1: I was great in that art lists. That's good. That's 1857 01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:39,200 Speaker 1: really good. So good. An should be in an Eliza 1858 01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:42,639 Speaker 1: biopaque anyway, Um, this has been so great. I want 1859 01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:47,360 Speaker 1: to say that I was literally scrolling through your website 1860 01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:50,479 Speaker 1: like I do every single day, and I saw that 1861 01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:54,160 Speaker 1: you had posted my web sceries called Power Couple that 1862 01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:55,840 Speaker 1: I did with Studie Green and Bone was in the 1863 01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:58,799 Speaker 1: episode as well, and I had a literal heart attack 1864 01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:03,200 Speaker 1: because I don't expect anyone's taste more than yours. I 1865 01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:06,320 Speaker 1: think that I think this website is so good. I 1866 01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:08,439 Speaker 1: just it gives me so much joy every day. It's 1867 01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:10,120 Speaker 1: literally I go to Facebook, I go to Gmail, I 1868 01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:12,880 Speaker 1: go to you, and I go to this website called 1869 01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:16,600 Speaker 1: screamscape dot com about theme parks. Sure interesting, are you 1870 01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:19,880 Speaker 1: a theme park? Gay? Um? I have been to the 1871 01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:26,040 Speaker 1: Disney Kay Days twice. Wonderful. That's about But that's about well. Listen, listen, 1872 01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:29,479 Speaker 1: this is you. You figure very prominently into Matt's life 1873 01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:33,120 Speaker 1: to my life now. It's wonderful. So thank you so much, 1874 01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:35,280 Speaker 1: and we can't wait for the Film Bitch Awards, yes, 1875 01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:38,880 Speaker 1: coming soon, very soon, and for your top ten? Now? 1876 01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:41,880 Speaker 1: Do you try to do the Film Awards before everything happened? 1877 01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:44,160 Speaker 1: Everything hits? I try to do them before the Oscar 1878 01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:46,640 Speaker 1: nominations because I don't because the years I've done them 1879 01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:49,640 Speaker 1: after on accident. People have been like, oh, you're just 1880 01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:56,360 Speaker 1: you're just trying to be a contrarian. Clocks ticket it's in. 1881 01:38:56,720 --> 01:38:59,200 Speaker 1: It's very like to be a contrarian. Oh, I would say, 1882 01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:01,519 Speaker 1: we all do. It's which is the next person? Um, 1883 01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:03,280 Speaker 1: I can't wait for the film Thatch Awards, can't wait 1884 01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:04,559 Speaker 1: for the for the Top ten. I just want to 1885 01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:07,400 Speaker 1: say again, it's the film Experience dot net and you 1886 01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:10,040 Speaker 1: know what, light I don't think so honey to square 1887 01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:12,720 Speaker 1: Space because Natanie was telling me, can can we say 1888 01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:16,160 Speaker 1: this on the air. Squarespace has categorized at the film 1889 01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:19,680 Speaker 1: Experience dot net as a legacy site in terms of 1890 01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:23,280 Speaker 1: the just the layout and the design, you know, the 1891 01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:28,879 Speaker 1: designs whatever the layout. Um, and they're not giving him 1892 01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:31,280 Speaker 1: the support that he needs that he and his staff 1893 01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:33,439 Speaker 1: of writers need. So everybody should be donating to the 1894 01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:38,160 Speaker 1: site then, And he didn't ask space on squares space 1895 01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:39,920 Speaker 1: and say, you know what, you make it very easy 1896 01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:41,840 Speaker 1: to make a site, but you don't make it easy 1897 01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:45,479 Speaker 1: to love you. Um. I want to say that Bowen 1898 01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:48,639 Speaker 1: and I along beside Dave Mazzoni, are going to be 1899 01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:51,639 Speaker 1: in Chicago this weekend. We're gonna be doing our our 1900 01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:54,519 Speaker 1: show game show that Dave and I host, and Bone 1901 01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:56,320 Speaker 1: is going to be the wise queer on that show. 1902 01:39:56,479 --> 01:39:58,800 Speaker 1: I can't wait. And I will also be performing at 1903 01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:02,000 Speaker 1: Paper Machete at the Green Mill on Saturday of the 1904 01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:06,960 Speaker 1: I'm so excited. My favorite, my favorite joys I've ever done. 1905 01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:09,680 Speaker 1: So come out, Chicago, We're coming out. It's going to 1906 01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:14,479 Speaker 1: be very cold time, is it? Yeah? Where will we 1907 01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:16,960 Speaker 1: go after Scarlett le Berlin? What's the good one? Scarlett? 1908 01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:19,040 Speaker 1: We gotta do so we're gonna go to Scarlett, but 1909 01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:24,200 Speaker 1: leave us alone, no, check us out? Um? I think 1910 01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:29,639 Speaker 1: we're at nine pm on Friday, the Saturday as part 1911 01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:32,519 Speaker 1: of the Chicago Sketch Comedy Festival. We're very excited, so 1912 01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:36,680 Speaker 1: thank you so much, Nathaniel. This is so fun to 1913 01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:38,720 Speaker 1: have you. Um. Okay, we always end with a song. 1914 01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:52,599 Speaker 1: Here we go. Dude, dude, dude, due. We are peaking 1915 01:40:52,720 --> 01:41:00,479 Speaker 1: so hard by This has been a Forever Dog production 1916 01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:05,280 Speaker 1: executive produced by Brett Bohum, Joe Silio, and Alex Ramsey. 1917 01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:10,040 Speaker 1: For more original podcasts, please visit Forever Dog Podcasts dot 1918 01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:14,680 Speaker 1: com and subscribe to our shows on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, 1919 01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:17,200 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Keep up with the 1920 01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:20,519 Speaker 1: latest Forever Dog news by following us on Twitter and 1921 01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:25,800 Speaker 1: Instagram at Forever Dog Team, and liking our page on Facebook.