WEBVTT - Jennifer King

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<v Speaker 1>This is cut to it with Steve Smith Senior at

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<v Speaker 1>production of The Black Effect and I Heart Radio. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Smith Senior and I'm a little John And this

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<v Speaker 1>is cut to it. Good do it, Good do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's getting down to do it. Good do it. We

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<v Speaker 1>asked the questions you always want to know, but no

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<v Speaker 1>one ever asked, let's cut to it. You ain't heard

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<v Speaker 1>them about it, then we're about to let you know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all, hey, where's your glass? You don't have You

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<v Speaker 1>just don't have them. Okay, it's not a button until

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<v Speaker 1>you put your glasses on. My wife for my birthday

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<v Speaker 1>lass no. Two months ago in December, whoa, whoa, whoa?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you almost forget your own birthday? Remember what was there?

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<v Speaker 1>So for my birthday, my wife got me the my

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<v Speaker 1>heritage shout out to shout southside hot point. She got

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<v Speaker 1>me the my heritage thing. So they do the DNA

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<v Speaker 1>swab where you have to do the cotton ball, the

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<v Speaker 1>cotton swab or whatever is it like the test like

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<v Speaker 1>the know you don't put in your nose, didn't you

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<v Speaker 1>swab your you swab your cheeky? So they give you

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<v Speaker 1>two of them, put them in the vals. You ship

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<v Speaker 1>them off. So I literally got my results back May

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<v Speaker 1>about two days ago. Would you like for me to

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<v Speaker 1>read them to you? Absolutely, so I'll get hit. A

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<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, I'll get to the point. The most

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<v Speaker 1>talent thing that I found out about this is that

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<v Speaker 1>while most of my heritage over six is from Africa,

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<v Speaker 1>range which from ranging from Nigeria to see her really

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<v Speaker 1>on to Kenya to which part of you don't tell

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<v Speaker 1>me all that, but you're trying to get way too specifics,

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<v Speaker 1>don't You don't give all that. I don't give you

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<v Speaker 1>all that. I don't know if it's got that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of capable. If you're gonna do it, don't go all out.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's more to see your paychecks. It's more

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<v Speaker 1>to the to the get the goal level capabilities. There

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<v Speaker 1>ain't no levels to it. It ain't no level. It's

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<v Speaker 1>always it ain't no levels to this is my hairtage game.

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<v Speaker 1>Any who, it's some of my families from Ethiopia. So

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<v Speaker 1>I did the twenty three and me had the had

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<v Speaker 1>the North African in there. Okay, but what was most

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<v Speaker 1>surprising is most tail I'm thirty three white, say it

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<v Speaker 1>ain't so it's so you know, what that Actually, it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm light skinned, so it ain't. I didn't go into

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<v Speaker 1>this thing, but I didn't. I didn't think you're thirty

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<v Speaker 1>three percent, didn't need so now that you're thirty three percent,

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<v Speaker 1>tell me a few things just bang pop up in

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<v Speaker 1>in your head. When you discovered your thirty three percent bank,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to go to the bank and see if

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I could get a very special rate four anything

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<v Speaker 1>loans anything. What you mean special rate? The rate you

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<v Speaker 1>have right now currently is not good? What all this though?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I would be able to get something sense. I

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<v Speaker 1>am now part of the Caucasian heritage. I thought there

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<v Speaker 1>may be some sort of I call up Joe Memphis.

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<v Speaker 1>I call it backstage, and I'm like, bro, can you

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<v Speaker 1>believe what? So what you called Joe up first instead

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<v Speaker 1>of me? Well, you're not white? You know the black

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<v Speaker 1>experience I'm trying to understand. I'm trying to understand more

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<v Speaker 1>of the white hair dig right. So I actually call

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<v Speaker 1>up my man Joe, and I'm like, hey, Joe, you

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<v Speaker 1>will never forget this. I did my DNA test and

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<v Speaker 1>it tells my third three percent white verbatim. And we

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<v Speaker 1>just we just brought backstage Joe up. So of course

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<v Speaker 1>my answer was welcome to the team. That is, how

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<v Speaker 1>is the A step going right now? Well, I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna have Gerard come to the house and teacher,

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<v Speaker 1>but apparently he came down. It dis qualifies you. So

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<v Speaker 1>so all the folks out there that that maybe follow

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<v Speaker 1>us on social media, maybe about a month or so ago,

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<v Speaker 1>we post some adolescent pictures of Steve adolescent adolescent, say

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<v Speaker 1>it with me. It's just the way it came out.

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<v Speaker 1>I just was wondering where you have to start talking

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<v Speaker 1>like that big words so and I told you you're

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<v Speaker 1>getting and I told you he's still saving me per

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<v Speaker 1>six No, no, no, no, that's sixty seven sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm I'm I'm actually kind of his sature looked

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<v Speaker 1>like Bruno Mars and I thought it was and I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know obviously he was taking this test. And then

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<v Speaker 1>when it came back, I was like, holy cow, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's one of us, Gerard, little John, well not actually, David.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you're pushing now when I put the Stevens out

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<v Speaker 1>of my pocket, we're going to d them already. Get

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<v Speaker 1>that change. So I asked, I'm like, hey, how does

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<v Speaker 1>it feel to be like a card carrying member. Now

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<v Speaker 1>I've made a few calls. Man, he's still under investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>If you got the gold package Ebony, it had been better,

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<v Speaker 1>but that silver package and giving us the details. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so ask me some other things, other things that I thought.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, yeah, other things. What it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>like now when I get pulled over? Can I can

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<v Speaker 1>I say, hey, officer, you know what I can't do that?

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<v Speaker 1>You could try that if you won't gonna work. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I think it has a little bit of a limit,

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<v Speaker 1>don't it. Favorite basketball player now, Larry No, you're not. No,

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<v Speaker 1>Kurt Rambiser, Chris Muller, why are you profiling? I was

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<v Speaker 1>trying not to do like all the international guys. I

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna say, Luca Duncan, but I mean, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>really go down. No, you can't know, you can't go

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<v Speaker 1>that around anymore. No before but some real stuff though

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<v Speaker 1>it was it was one of the best birthday gifts

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<v Speaker 1>that I have received because you know, has nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>do with it, but honestly, it's finding out where you

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<v Speaker 1>come from. It's finding out kind of where your roots are.

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<v Speaker 1>Because one thing I think I've mentioned this actually in

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<v Speaker 1>our podcast with with c J. So Pale was that

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<v Speaker 1>he has this broad lineage of history and knows where

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<v Speaker 1>he comes from, not just from a country, but from

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<v Speaker 1>um even all the way down to what tribe all

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff, and it's so cool and from from my family.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have that, and so my family is relatively small,

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<v Speaker 1>and all I really know is that most of my

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<v Speaker 1>folks came poured it in from Charleston and where slaves

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<v Speaker 1>and settled in roughly around like the Gaffney, South Carolina area.

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<v Speaker 1>So to have even this little bit, now, this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>a this isn't a family tree type of thing. It

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<v Speaker 1>really is like, hey, here's your makeup of your DNA,

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<v Speaker 1>but just to know, like, man, this is where I

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<v Speaker 1>came from. For me, it's actually really really cool because

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<v Speaker 1>I just have never had that before. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>actually one of the more cooler things that I've ever done.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's really probably the best birthday gif I had.

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<v Speaker 1>We've joked a lot or whatever, and we're making fun

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<v Speaker 1>of it. I hope I don't lose my black Affelt

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<v Speaker 1>contract now, but it is really really cool. Now you're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna lose it because I mean just even the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that I know, even the fact, you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>discovering all that, and you know, I think sometimes there

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<v Speaker 1>is some skepticism with people on are they trying to

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<v Speaker 1>gather your DNA or information to track and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's more I know, but it's just more of

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<v Speaker 1>understanding it. But I can tell you this. You come back,

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<v Speaker 1>you know on the heritage thirty three percent. But I

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<v Speaker 1>could I could have told by your beer, No, brother,

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<v Speaker 1>you got that African American nation. No, it wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>This gout. All of that is just like, I know what,

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<v Speaker 1>it's cool. You know what. I honestly knew that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pretty light skinned. Who hasn't seen before I'm pretty light sking,

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<v Speaker 1>so I knew, you know, I wouldn't. I wasn't batting

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<v Speaker 1>the thousand when it came to be fully black, so

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<v Speaker 1>I knew something else was in there. It's just a

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<v Speaker 1>matter of man, well that's that's exactly way from from

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<v Speaker 1>French and German and all this different stuff. It's actually

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool. It's actually know from which you come from.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. For me, I thought it was really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>So we made some jokes. It's really cool. I will

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<v Speaker 1>not try this with the police stuff. Just being honest.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying that. I like my co host. Hey

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<v Speaker 1>who we got coming up on the Cut to It podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got Jennifer King, the first black woman to become

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<v Speaker 1>a full time coach in the NFL. A former football

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<v Speaker 1>player herself, she also coached women's basketball. Jennifer King on

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<v Speaker 1>the Cut to It podcast. Get Iced Up. Now, that's

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<v Speaker 1>our version of Icebreakers. Smithy's got some random questions. There

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<v Speaker 1>may be a follow up. It might be an open

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<v Speaker 1>ended question, might be a multiple choice question. I got

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<v Speaker 1>no idea. You don't either. Go ahead and for the

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<v Speaker 1>first one. All right, here we go. You ready, man?

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<v Speaker 1>It is a open book tests about you, so if

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<v Speaker 1>you fail, it's your I got you, all right? So,

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<v Speaker 1>waffle cone or cake cones? Uh? Waffle? Yeah, white waffle.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's kind of classic. It tastes a

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<v Speaker 1>little better, you know, with the ice cream at the end.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that's why I like it. I do

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<v Speaker 1>love cake conbes. I don't know why they're not bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not trashing them, but you know, it gave me

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<v Speaker 1>a choice. You gotta shoes, you do you? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously with the pandemic and everything going on, do you like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go pre COVID dining in or take out? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>on a dining in person. You know. I like to

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<v Speaker 1>get the whole experience. I'm kind of foodie, so I

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<v Speaker 1>love to go to different spots, so I like to

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<v Speaker 1>have experience. Okay, so you your foodie, all right, So

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<v Speaker 1>what's your what's your favorite food? There? My favorite food?

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is go It's not gonna be a foodie food.

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<v Speaker 1>But I love pizza, like all different kinds, so I

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<v Speaker 1>like to try. Yeah, okay, what kind of pizza? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, A foody answer would be something like fancy,

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<v Speaker 1>but just you know, just keep it, keep it real

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<v Speaker 1>with you man. Okay, so what kind of piece? What

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<v Speaker 1>don't you like on your pizza? I like a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff, so like I don't really like onions, but

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much anything else can go on it, like the Supreme,

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<v Speaker 1>just put everything on it, edgies, everything like that. You see.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't know, but I love pizza. There we go

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<v Speaker 1>when I love pizza, like I have pretty much during

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<v Speaker 1>the football season and off every Sunday, we have pizza

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<v Speaker 1>like pizza do favorite? So you don't do the frozen pizza. Hunh.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a whole contraption, right, Yeah, I have a

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<v Speaker 1>pizza oven at the house that I built this pizza. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not your average pizza. It's a I got it,

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<v Speaker 1>uh built ship and put together. And I can make

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<v Speaker 1>pezze when I say pizza, like I make my own

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<v Speaker 1>dough hift boy, shift boy. All right, last question and

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<v Speaker 1>we out of this one. A. What's hard of the coach? Offense,

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<v Speaker 1>special teams or defense? Oh? Man, that's tough. Um, I

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<v Speaker 1>know that's a tough one man, just because they all

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<v Speaker 1>have their difficulties. Um. I would probably say offense, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just because I'm a little question, just because now there's

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<v Speaker 1>so many things defensive can throw at you. Um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>especially working with running backs, you know, protection wise, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>you get surprised by stuff and exotics. Did they saying? So?

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<v Speaker 1>I would just say offense for that reason. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>defense is a beast. Two now with all these crazy

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<v Speaker 1>offenses out here. I asked that because of no owing,

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<v Speaker 1>each individual position, like special teams, is his own animal.

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<v Speaker 1>And it how simple special teams look on the game,

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<v Speaker 1>and how difficult getting a middle linebacker who's a backup

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to swivel his hips and move covering

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<v Speaker 1>a running back or wide receiver at L three running

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<v Speaker 1>full speed, Like that's not a you can't just happenstance

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<v Speaker 1>on doing that. Oh, he's just a special teams player,

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<v Speaker 1>as if special teams is not just as important as

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<v Speaker 1>offensive defense. To your point, all that stuff is important,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you're not just running down on kickoff, just like

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<v Speaker 1>it's all orchestrated, right, there's schemes to it, their schemes

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<v Speaker 1>to kickoff, return their schemes to a way. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>that's always chatman people, he's just a special teams player.

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<v Speaker 1>What what does that mean? And you gotta get a

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<v Speaker 1>special team player who maybe that was not their expertise

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<v Speaker 1>because they were starters in Kyle It and hey, the

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<v Speaker 1>guy that is playing their position is a starter pro

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<v Speaker 1>bowler and they can't beat that man out, and so

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<v Speaker 1>they gotta be on this on this on the field.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting that individual to understand keeping his assignment as a

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<v Speaker 1>backup on defense, but making sure that individual understands the

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<v Speaker 1>gravity of being a contribute on special teams is the

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<v Speaker 1>difference between you making a career or you out here

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<v Speaker 1>looking for another job. You're still getting justice. You may

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<v Speaker 1>not be getting as many snaps as an offensive defensive player,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're still getting snaps. You're still getting playing time,

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<v Speaker 1>you earn your opportunity to be the backup. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>you're ready. So let's let's get down to who is Jennifer? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's good, all right? All right? So what's what sport

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<v Speaker 1>or sports did you watch as a kid? Uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>big sports for football and basketball. So we were always

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<v Speaker 1>watching college NFL, going to high school games, um for

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<v Speaker 1>all of them. And you know, the NBA finals were

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<v Speaker 1>big for us, watching the playoffs. So football and basketball

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<v Speaker 1>were the biggest things in our household. You know who

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<v Speaker 1>your teams? Oh man, it was tough. You know. I

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<v Speaker 1>like the Hornets because they were close, but uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously was rooting for the Jordan Bulls too, just because

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<v Speaker 1>you know it's Jordan's But football wise, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>liked Washington and to the Panthers came and then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was in North Carolina, so I jumped over to

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<v Speaker 1>the Panthers. That's a real North Carolina answer, right there.

0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Washington fans then then they then they contributed, they slid

0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:40.480
<v Speaker 1>over the game Panthers fans. So where are you from

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<v Speaker 1>in the place you call your hometown? Yeah, I'm for Reesville,

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina. It's a little small town near Greensboro. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>big for sports. Um our football team in Reesville has

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<v Speaker 1>won like twenty state championships. I went to I went

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<v Speaker 1>to Rockingham County down the street. But back back up,

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<v Speaker 1>back up, back back back back. You can't flex when

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<v Speaker 1>in state in North Carolina? Did you ever play independence?

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<v Speaker 1>They're not in the same classification. Yeah, I went to Rockingham.

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<v Speaker 1>But the reason what, don't run for anybody? So come

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<v Speaker 1>on now, yes she did. They got twenty of things

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<v Speaker 1>Reville in three six a. Oh yeah, they took some

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<v Speaker 1>names for sure, Which which names? Give me? Give me

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<v Speaker 1>somebody that came out of what is this? What is

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<v Speaker 1>it called? Drune Simpson? Drune Simpson. I have no idea

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<v Speaker 1>who that he played for for the Bengals. He's the

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<v Speaker 1>one that did the flip over the guy into the

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<v Speaker 1>end zone. They still play it a lot. He went

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<v Speaker 1>to other than that one highlight? What else did he

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<v Speaker 1>He was in the league for like six years? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>six years? He also you know I can go there

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<v Speaker 1>he did, Okay, So who else besides him out of

0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:10.680
<v Speaker 1>those twenties. Yeah, they had a guy named named Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>He went to the Eagles while back. Really good basketball

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<v Speaker 1>players coming out of Reesville. They got one now actually

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<v Speaker 1>this he's ranked in football and basketball. But he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go play basketball and see state. What's his name, Brian passed.

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<v Speaker 1>I will look out for him, all right. So growing

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<v Speaker 1>up in your hometown, how did it shape your perspective

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<v Speaker 1>on the way you see life today. It was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of crazy, just because it was such a small place.

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<v Speaker 1>So um, you know, I remember as a kid going

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<v Speaker 1>to like the city's like Greensboro, Charlotte or Raleigh, thinking

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<v Speaker 1>I had like saw the world, you know because I

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<v Speaker 1>was from this little town. So they see those things

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<v Speaker 1>at a young age kind of helped me develop now,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just the experiences that I had. And it

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<v Speaker 1>sucks because there's a lot of people for Reesville that's

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<v Speaker 1>still think that way. You know, they're in that small

0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.000
<v Speaker 1>town mentality and you know, going to Myrtle Beach is

0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:10.159
<v Speaker 1>it for them? Exactly? Like if I get up a

0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Myrtle Beach, I'm getting paid to be there or something's

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<v Speaker 1>going wrong. Man, Myrtle Beach slander is at all about

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<v Speaker 1>Myrtle Beach, going to Myrtle But I'm with Jennifer. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you're growing up a small town. Once you got to pleasure,

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<v Speaker 1>that was the destination back then, Like all right, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go to Myrtle Beach and then you actually leave

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<v Speaker 1>and you get a taste of the world. Now, say

0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:35.800
<v Speaker 1>in South Carolina's not the world. You get a taste

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<v Speaker 1>of the world. You're like, what have I been? Nothing?

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<v Speaker 1>We might have lost some sponsorship with you. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think we've got to get the visit Myrtle Beach, ads,

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<v Speaker 1>and you might wanna take that off the list back stage, Na,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they're gonna come through. Oh well right,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been declined in better places. So, Jennifer, where did

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<v Speaker 1>your love for sports come from? Who introduced you to sports?

0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:09.560
<v Speaker 1>It was kind of a collective effort. Man. My whole

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<v Speaker 1>family was in the sports. So I used to watch

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<v Speaker 1>games and my dad, my sister played, my cousins played.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we were always playing in the backyard and

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<v Speaker 1>football and basketball, so um. It was kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>collective thing. You know. Sports were just always around and

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<v Speaker 1>I was always playing something so um pretty much ever

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<v Speaker 1>since I remember, you know, I've been playing sports and

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<v Speaker 1>it was kind of just be an athlete. What sports

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<v Speaker 1>were you really just like in love with that? You

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<v Speaker 1>just everything you did. It was like if I do this,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get better in this sport. So you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>growing up as a kid, what sport did you just

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<v Speaker 1>just attach yourself with? Yeah, I mean it was basketball

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<v Speaker 1>and football. Um, you know I played a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>football in the backyard and at school, and um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was I wanted to be really good at football.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like wow, like I was just throw my

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<v Speaker 1>body around, just like I see people doing the TV.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, we didn't play tad. You know, we

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<v Speaker 1>were tackling as little kids. So yeah, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>know basketball of course. Um, you know, my sister played

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<v Speaker 1>my cousin's place. I always wanted to be better than them,

0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:11.960
<v Speaker 1>so I was always trying to get better. And I

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<v Speaker 1>would go to the gym and be there for hours

0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.560
<v Speaker 1>and hours. You know, they're trying to get better. We

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<v Speaker 1>have to take a break and the morning anything, we

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<v Speaker 1>gotta pay some bills. You got checked. I love cut

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<v Speaker 1>all my answers questions. Um, yeah, I got all my

0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:04.080
<v Speaker 1>questions answered. That's what I'm here for, a brother cut

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<v Speaker 1>to a podcast dot com. I think this is a

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<v Speaker 1>unique question because I'm a dad. What's the dynamic when

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted to play and obviously your girl? So we

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<v Speaker 1>I want to highlight that and also talk about to

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<v Speaker 1>some degree talk about the stigma of girls playing guy's sports,

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<v Speaker 1>especially at a young age, because I've used to do

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<v Speaker 1>I used to do football camps when I did play

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<v Speaker 1>and I and I one thing that I always noticed

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<v Speaker 1>that was really cool is you always got two or

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<v Speaker 1>three girls. But these two or three girls were always

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<v Speaker 1>excellent players because they most most young men playing sports,

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<v Speaker 1>they lacked the detail. But that that girls that played

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<v Speaker 1>they always knew that they had to have the fundamentals

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<v Speaker 1>because some girls or just physically not as strong or

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<v Speaker 1>not as fast as the counterparts as the counterparts, And

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<v Speaker 1>so what was the dynamic between mom seeing you play

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<v Speaker 1>football and dad seeing you play football? Yeah? That was

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<v Speaker 1>that was funny because you know, when I got to

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<v Speaker 1>like middle school and even high school, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>coaches were like, you know, like I think she can

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<v Speaker 1>help us. You know, so I was I was trying.

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<v Speaker 1>I was trying, but you know that was like nah,

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<v Speaker 1>like they printed my parents streamers let me do anything

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<v Speaker 1>else and supported me except for playing football that they

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<v Speaker 1>were worried about, you know, me getting injured. So I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get to do it. So I still just played

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<v Speaker 1>in like pe and you know, in class. But that

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<v Speaker 1>was it pretty much until I was an adult. So

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<v Speaker 1>did they ever tell you that you that you can't. No,

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<v Speaker 1>they never told me I couldn't. They just didn't sign

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<v Speaker 1>me up for allowing me to do it because you know,

0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:52.920
<v Speaker 1>they were worried about me get injured. So that was

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<v Speaker 1>prettymu sh it. Not that I couldn't do it, It

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<v Speaker 1>was just they were concerned. And I like that big

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<v Speaker 1>because obviously I'm a dad and I played football, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I remember I wasn't working on Thursday night

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<v Speaker 1>and I was watching, but I was watching Thursday night

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<v Speaker 1>because I had to take notes and I had a

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<v Speaker 1>show to do the next that following weekend, and because

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<v Speaker 1>of that, I was watching the Thursday night and I

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<v Speaker 1>remember sitting there watching Ryan says he got his injury.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can remember, like yesterday, my wife goes, My wife,

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<v Speaker 1>Angie goes, that's why I won't bamm playing football. And

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<v Speaker 1>I got sold. I was a little bit irritated because

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<v Speaker 1>I had to walk. I paused it and I walked

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<v Speaker 1>Boston through what happened and why it happened. Not the

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<v Speaker 1>sport her natural reaction, which I agree with. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>brutal sport. That's why I wanted to play what as

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<v Speaker 1>a dad, I had to go, No, it's not the

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<v Speaker 1>sport necessarily, it's the participant in that sport that increased

0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:15.560
<v Speaker 1>the chances of his probability of getting hurt. On the

0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:18.080
<v Speaker 1>way he did something, and we went back through it

0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:21.240
<v Speaker 1>and I walked him through it. And from that moment on,

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<v Speaker 1>I had told my son, for you to play this game.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can't see, if you don't see what you hit,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't hit it. And on that particular play, and

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<v Speaker 1>I played against Ryan. He's a hell of a football player,

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<v Speaker 1>but also like anybody else, you can have that centimeter

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<v Speaker 1>of air, put your head down and it can cost

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<v Speaker 1>you something. I broke my neck in college. I put

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<v Speaker 1>my head down. The two people hit me exactly on

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<v Speaker 1>the same shoulders, and I had a C four burst fracture.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was in a neck harness for about seven

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<v Speaker 1>or eight months to the point of where I had

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<v Speaker 1>to lift. When I got out of neck harners, I

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<v Speaker 1>had to lift and improve my support around my shoulders.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have a fusion surgery, but I had to

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<v Speaker 1>left every time until a long time. And I never

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<v Speaker 1>told anybody what I'm saying that now is probably for

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<v Speaker 1>the first three or four years of my career. Any

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<v Speaker 1>time I would turn abruptly wright or left, or if

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't lift that week, I would get a stinger

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<v Speaker 1>that would go up my neck. Wow. And I had

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<v Speaker 1>to but I that's all I did. I wouldn't left much,

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<v Speaker 1>but I get them tracks right right, and and and

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<v Speaker 1>and the reason I got injured, here's why I got injured.

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<v Speaker 1>Rob Morris was a linebacker for b y U. We

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<v Speaker 1>had to win that game and go off to the

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<v Speaker 1>Vegas Bowl to play eventually a team led by Freshnel

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<v Speaker 1>State by David Carr, and I was playing proper return

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<v Speaker 1>and Rob Morris was a potential first round draft pick.

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<v Speaker 1>He end up getting drafted, I think UH in the

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<v Speaker 1>first round, fourteenth or something pick. And Rob Morris played

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<v Speaker 1>on special teams and I saw him, so I was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna dip on them. And the same way I played,

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<v Speaker 1>I tried dip on Rob Morrison, the same way I

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<v Speaker 1>tried to beat New Mexico when I played against UH

0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:27.240
<v Speaker 1>Brian Url. I wanted to show this little kid from

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<v Speaker 1>l A complaining the league. It was my It was

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<v Speaker 1>my opportunity to showcase what I could do for scouts

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<v Speaker 1>because I was not getting looked at as much after

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<v Speaker 1>things giving. I was about, you know, in in in college,

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember I tried to dip on them. I

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<v Speaker 1>was on the sideline on our sideline going down and

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<v Speaker 1>in pro vote going down the sideline, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I went to dip on them, dip my head. The

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<v Speaker 1>other guy did not see hit. They both hit both

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<v Speaker 1>shoulders simultaneously bang back in the day. I'm like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>my neck is tight. So he took me out for

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<v Speaker 1>a few plays put some big gay on it. Some

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<v Speaker 1>free bio freeze wasn't in yeh, that old man smell

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<v Speaker 1>put that on there. Finished the game. It's called that

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<v Speaker 1>bio that uh, that that bio stuff cream of Jesus. Yeah,

0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:28.879
<v Speaker 1>that's left the cream of Jesus on. So I go

0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:32.760
<v Speaker 1>on there, man, and we finished the game. And it's

0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:35.919
<v Speaker 1>called the Holy War. In Utah, they always play by

0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:38.960
<v Speaker 1>you and b y U and Utah always play around Thanksgiving.

0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:41.639
<v Speaker 1>Mom was in town. We won the game. We're going

0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:45.120
<v Speaker 1>to the Vegas Bowl. And I'm a self adjuster self

0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:46.880
<v Speaker 1>just he is somebody to try to adjust. I don't

0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:50.000
<v Speaker 1>go to Kyra practice. I'm Kyra port. So I'm trying

0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:52.160
<v Speaker 1>to adjust my neck. Man, I gotta creek is getting

0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:54.359
<v Speaker 1>stiffer and stiffer. We go to the doctor. I go.

0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:56.520
<v Speaker 1>Doctor said, man, my neck is stiff, is getting worse

0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:59.800
<v Speaker 1>and worse. They do an X ray. We're just gonna

0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:03.560
<v Speaker 1>do it routine. Next way. Man, before I get ten

0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:06.840
<v Speaker 1>minutes down down the street, you need to come back.

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:11.080
<v Speaker 1>You guys, before a birth fracture broke my neck put

0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:13.800
<v Speaker 1>me in the harness, didn't get to play. If you

0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:17.520
<v Speaker 1>go back and see the Vegas Bowl. You'll see me.

0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:19.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm holding up trophy and I was in the neck brace.

0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:23.919
<v Speaker 1>You know, career and in in in question, are you

0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 1>saying then that you believe you got injured because you

0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:30.160
<v Speaker 1>had just a slight decrease in the fundamentals. You forgot

0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:32.359
<v Speaker 1>the fundamentals at that point? Is that what you're saying? Absolutely,

0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 1>I got, I forgot. I didn't not have the fundamentals.

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:38.679
<v Speaker 1>I knew the fundamentals, but I re I reacted and

0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 1>I did I did not see what I I hit,

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 1>and so it that's what happened. And so when you

0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 1>have these camps, typically, these these young women that are playing,

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:52.480
<v Speaker 1>they they don't miss the building on the fundamental. They

0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:57.240
<v Speaker 1>have so much fundamentals they they honed in and every

0:27:57.320 --> 0:28:00.720
<v Speaker 1>I did. I did three or four camps every year

0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:03.480
<v Speaker 1>for eight years. I did them all and not this

0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:05.679
<v Speaker 1>isn't a Bragg. I did them. I had the honor

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:09.480
<v Speaker 1>of doing them on military brick basis. So I've done

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:17.240
<v Speaker 1>camps in Hawaii, Frankfurt, Germany, Camp Humphreys in South Korea,

0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:22.400
<v Speaker 1>down to Fort Bragg. And it's still a constant, and

0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 1>it does not I don't care where I go. There's

0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:29.080
<v Speaker 1>always three or four girls who who have the fundamentals,

0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:33.640
<v Speaker 1>and I just think that's awesome because yes, they may

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:37.440
<v Speaker 1>be not all someone more. There's a few girls. I

0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:39.080
<v Speaker 1>remember I was in element Sico and I saw a

0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 1>girl named Felicia, just Molly woppa, dude, soar put the

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:54.240
<v Speaker 1>polls on, put whole eight piece right bucket, coach law too,

0:28:55.520 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 1>the side with the PHW punch. And I've seen some

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:06.719
<v Speaker 1>of the you know, some girls who are bigger than guys.

0:29:07.520 --> 0:29:10.479
<v Speaker 1>What the fundamentals? Man, some some young men just they

0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:14.280
<v Speaker 1>athletically gifted, but they lacked the fundamentals. Je, what would

0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 1>you adge to that in terms of fundamentals and young

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 1>women in sports? Yeah, I think he's absolutely right. I mean,

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:22.640
<v Speaker 1>you look in basketball, you know it's not it's not

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:24.959
<v Speaker 1>a lot of dunking going on, but the fundies is

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:28.080
<v Speaker 1>big and women's basketball and just how the game is played.

0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:30.480
<v Speaker 1>So it's it's two different games. But I do think,

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:32.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, women are really good at the fundamentals of sport.

0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 1>What was your playing for college? Oh? Man, it was

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:41.280
<v Speaker 1>it was kind of crazy because, um, you know, at

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 1>that time, I was playing a bunch of sports in

0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 1>high school and um decided to play basketball and hopefully

0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 1>softball in college. So and there was it was some

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 1>bigger schools like men majors that wanted me for either,

0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 1>but neither wanted me for like both, like basketball didn't

0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:57.800
<v Speaker 1>want me to play softball softball didn't want to play basketball.

0:29:57.840 --> 0:29:59.360
<v Speaker 1>So I end up going to it like a D

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:04.320
<v Speaker 1>three school both, Right, I had a great visit. Uh

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 1>it's a really good, you know, high academic school. So

0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:11.280
<v Speaker 1>I went there and played both. Good career guilt for college.

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:15.840
<v Speaker 1>You had the opportunity to play both. So that leads

0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 1>me to believe the academic workload and playing two sports,

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 1>how did you manage that? Always been a busy person,

0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:28.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, growing up. Sometimes I would have three different practices,

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 1>like after school for different sports, so I wasn't always

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 1>doing the most so to have that, it wasn't that

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 1>big of a deal for me to play two sports

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 1>in college as an unpaid uber driver myself speak on

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:48.240
<v Speaker 1>it for the rest of the pea ridunculous and sometimes

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:51.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't even I don't even get the thanks. It's

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 1>like brank go here. Yeah, that's exactly how it was. Now,

0:30:57.200 --> 0:30:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Jennifer called out your flax a little bit earlier. Now

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 1>I gotta, I gotta poor her. Call bullis. She's second

0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 1>all time and points scored for Guilford College women's basketball.

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:07.760
<v Speaker 1>So she had all these practices, but she was still

0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 1>put in the work. Oh for sure. I mean I was.

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:13.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean I didn't put in all that work to

0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 1>go out there and score, you know, five points a game. Man,

0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 1>So I was. I was lucky to always be able

0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:20.320
<v Speaker 1>to score the ball. So um, I had a good

0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 1>time at Guilford, was fun while getting her bachelor's sience

0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:27.160
<v Speaker 1>in sports management, and she got her masters from Liberty.

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 1>So she's as athletic as academic, best of both worlds

0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:37.440
<v Speaker 1>to shape, I see it. And yet all of that

0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:43.160
<v Speaker 1>you decided to go. It's a journey. But it's a

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 1>journey that I just mean that is because you have

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:51.200
<v Speaker 1>all this information. You also coached. I want to go

0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 1>down that path you were coaching. Also was a police officer,

0:31:57.280 --> 0:31:59.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, as as they saying, you know, back in

0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 1>the old in Living Color, right, she got she's a lawyer. Yeah,

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 1>I get that all the time. Man, My friends are savages.

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 1>So she'll take us through that. You you you end

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 1>up being, you know, playing balling out a guilt for college,

0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:27.080
<v Speaker 1>and then you start coaching the basketball team, you know,

0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:30.080
<v Speaker 1>started coaching the basketball team, and then you coach that

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Greensboro College, you know, Lou Lou cool ten years, ten

0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:40.840
<v Speaker 1>years and also doing what else? Why are your coaching?

0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:44.080
<v Speaker 1>I was, I was a cop man, yeah, on the

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 1>on the south side of Hot Point, to see what

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>it was my wife point, So I definitely knowing and

0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 1>explains it all because m is about that action. A

0:32:57.600 --> 0:32:59.920
<v Speaker 1>bunch of hot people in hot Point are about that action.

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:03.720
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure Jennifer could tell us. But when when

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:05.640
<v Speaker 1>did you start getting the I guess to back all

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 1>of it. When did you know as you were finishing

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 1>your career at UH at Guilford, when did you know

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:12.840
<v Speaker 1>you want to become a coach? I mean, you know,

0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:16.000
<v Speaker 1>we started to leave finished college. You gotta do something,

0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:19.040
<v Speaker 1>you know. So I knew I went to be in sport,

0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 1>and I had some contacts already, and I one of

0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:24.080
<v Speaker 1>my guys to end up being a mental for me,

0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:26.240
<v Speaker 1>offered me a job at Greensboro. So that's how I

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 1>ended up coaching and got into it. So, um, just

0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:32.200
<v Speaker 1>to stay in sports, you know, keep that that competition,

0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:34.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, as an athlete, you know, when you're done,

0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:36.720
<v Speaker 1>sometimes you have to find a way for that to

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:39.600
<v Speaker 1>find that drive, that rush. So that was the next

0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:42.040
<v Speaker 1>best thing for me. Tell us and walk us through

0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:45.280
<v Speaker 1>some of the things with everything going on, because I

0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:47.960
<v Speaker 1>want you to speak about some of your experiences as

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:51.400
<v Speaker 1>a police officer also as a woman of color that

0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:55.960
<v Speaker 1>serving the community and what you experienced, because I don't

0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:58.160
<v Speaker 1>know what you experienced. I don't know what it was

0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:00.560
<v Speaker 1>like for you as a police office. So how you

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:04.520
<v Speaker 1>handle people, what you what you saw, what you didn't see,

0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:08.799
<v Speaker 1>what you can identify with now being out of you know,

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 1>being out of the of the role of being a

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 1>police officer. And I just want to give you that platform,

0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:17.759
<v Speaker 1>that opportunity because I don't know what you experience. Only

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:20.879
<v Speaker 1>you do. But you also know a lot of things

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:23.919
<v Speaker 1>about your role that I have no idea about. Yeah,

0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:26.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was crazy working on the on the

0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:27.799
<v Speaker 1>south side of our point, you know, we it was

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:30.319
<v Speaker 1>a lot going on. Um, you know, heroin was big

0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:32.280
<v Speaker 1>at the time, so we had a bunch of heroin

0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 1>problems with overdoses almost every day. Um, you would go

0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:38.360
<v Speaker 1>to and just stuff in general. You know that the

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:41.560
<v Speaker 1>gangs and the the drug game was crazy, and um,

0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:45.200
<v Speaker 1>I think I definitely now see things from both sides, um,

0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 1>because I've been profiled before. But I also you know,

0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:50.880
<v Speaker 1>been a police officer at the same time. So um,

0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:52.520
<v Speaker 1>you know it was it was a good experience for me.

0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:54.800
<v Speaker 1>One thing I'm thankful for. I think our training and

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:56.960
<v Speaker 1>high Point was as good as it gets, you know,

0:34:57.040 --> 0:35:01.400
<v Speaker 1>like we went above and beyond the required States training,

0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:03.400
<v Speaker 1>which is not much, you know, and I think a

0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 1>lot of people, if they did that or had the

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:07.399
<v Speaker 1>resources to do that, they could be a lot better

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:10.640
<v Speaker 1>because you know, sometimes I see things happen and I'm

0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:12.279
<v Speaker 1>just like, oh, man, I can't believe they did that,

0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:14.799
<v Speaker 1>or like we never would they did it that way.

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:18.200
<v Speaker 1>But you know, everybody's trained differently, so you can't you

0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:21.000
<v Speaker 1>can't really uh you know, look at every situation they're

0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:24.280
<v Speaker 1>saying this because it's different people, um, different training and involved.

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:26.880
<v Speaker 1>So UM. And I was definitely thankful for our training.

0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:28.719
<v Speaker 1>And you know, you learn a lot of lessons you

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:30.759
<v Speaker 1>know on those streets, man, stuff you can carry on

0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:33.320
<v Speaker 1>in life, and like you said, you deal with people

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:36.640
<v Speaker 1>sometimes that they're worse, So it's how to deal with

0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:39.480
<v Speaker 1>different kind of people, and um, you know, we see

0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:41.319
<v Speaker 1>it all and I did a lot, did a lot,

0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:43.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, and how poor it experienced a lot, and

0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 1>it's definitely helped me, you know, moving forward and just

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:50.040
<v Speaker 1>you know in life. So um, definitely thankful for the

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:53.120
<v Speaker 1>person responders out there. But you know, at the same time,

0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 1>some people need to do better, and you know, we

0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:57.879
<v Speaker 1>need some things to change. Is it fair to say?

0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:02.840
<v Speaker 1>And I'm assume me what moonlighting as a basketball coach

0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:07.160
<v Speaker 1>and working full time job as a police officer, I'm imagining.

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:09.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming and I hope I'm assuming a good way.

0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Now when you were coaching these kids that you were

0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:15.840
<v Speaker 1>instilling things in them because you were seeing the difference

0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 1>between the right response and the wrong response. Yeah. Absolutely,

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:22.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean it literally felt like sometimes I was in

0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:24.160
<v Speaker 1>a double life because you know, say if I was

0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:26.800
<v Speaker 1>working on first year and you know things I would

0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:30.160
<v Speaker 1>do expirits during the daytime, I mean just be insane

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:33.280
<v Speaker 1>like a movie and then I go to basketball practice

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:36.399
<v Speaker 1>and you know, it was like a totally different world.

0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:39.160
<v Speaker 1>But definitely trying to you know, instill those values and

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:41.359
<v Speaker 1>things that I learned, you know, for the kids because

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 1>they were in college, So it was important for them

0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 1>to learn some of those lessons. So what was the

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 1>moment when you were both a police officer and you

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:50.799
<v Speaker 1>were coaching? What was that moment when you knew you

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 1>had to choose? Yeah, that was when I got my

0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:57.320
<v Speaker 1>head coaching job at Johnson Welles and Charlotte. So, um,

0:36:57.360 --> 0:36:59.360
<v Speaker 1>you know when she moved a chair over to the

0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:03.120
<v Speaker 1>head spot. Can't really be doing a bunch of other jobs.

0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 1>So when I'm move to Charlotte, that's when I left

0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:07.880
<v Speaker 1>the police force. How do you handle some of the

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:11.360
<v Speaker 1>labels in coaching? Now? You're female coach in the National

0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Football League? Congratulations first Africa, African American. Put that label

0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:22.000
<v Speaker 1>on it, African American time coach? You get you got

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:26.920
<v Speaker 1>a W two. First of all, do you like the

0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 1>label of being the first black female coach? I mean

0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:34.400
<v Speaker 1>that's something that I can't escape because it kind of

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:36.520
<v Speaker 1>is what it is. So I mean, whether I like

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 1>it or not, just gonna be there. So um, I

0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:41.399
<v Speaker 1>don't know, I think right now, I don't even think

0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:43.719
<v Speaker 1>that much of it, but something you know, down the road,

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:46.319
<v Speaker 1>it definitely something to look back on and you know,

0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:48.920
<v Speaker 1>be thankful for and happy for the accomplishment. Well, it's

0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:51.880
<v Speaker 1>it's knocking down barriers. I can truly say as the

0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:55.399
<v Speaker 1>father of an African American woman in a year where

0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:57.480
<v Speaker 1>I think there are a lot of first you have

0:37:58.320 --> 0:38:01.680
<v Speaker 1>politics aside, you have the first African American woman to

0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:05.200
<v Speaker 1>be vice president, you have an African woman, African American

0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:08.000
<v Speaker 1>woman who's now the CEO of Walgreen's the first time

0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:11.640
<v Speaker 1>a fortune fifty company, um, and then yourself the first

0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:17.560
<v Speaker 1>African American woman coach in NFL representation matters. My daughter

0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:19.799
<v Speaker 1>looks at TV a lot of times says, oh, Dad,

0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:23.200
<v Speaker 1>she looks like me, and that her being six me

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:25.920
<v Speaker 1>and being six, that's big for her to see people.

0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:28.919
<v Speaker 1>So I know it made process as if I don't

0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:30.719
<v Speaker 1>know how to feel right now, but you're knocking down

0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 1>the barriers to where she doesn't have to worry about

0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:35.839
<v Speaker 1>being the first in certain instances. So it's really big.

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 1>So I do want to say where it proudly because

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:41.279
<v Speaker 1>as a father being in the house with black you know,

0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:44.680
<v Speaker 1>being married to a black woman, raising a young African

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:47.560
<v Speaker 1>American woman, it is very big. So thank you. I

0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:51.840
<v Speaker 1>appreciate it. I appreciate that it's big. It is in congratulations.

0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:55.080
<v Speaker 1>I think it's about that time. Just take a little breather.

0:38:55.640 --> 0:39:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Good good, let's getting down to do good. Hey Gerard,

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:06.200
<v Speaker 1>why did you get that T shirt? Oh? Yes, I

0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:08.319
<v Speaker 1>got it from cut to a podcast dot com where

0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:11.319
<v Speaker 1>we have exclusive merchandise. Shout out to our guys at

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:13.080
<v Speaker 1>seven or four shot. But yeah, you can go on,

0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:15.719
<v Speaker 1>buy you a T shirt, subscribe to us wherever you

0:39:15.760 --> 0:39:20.240
<v Speaker 1>listen to podcasts. I don't even think of being African American,

0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:22.240
<v Speaker 1>but I just think being a female. Do you feel

0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:29.840
<v Speaker 1>like your you know, coaching temperament is allowed or you know,

0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:32.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say leash, is your leash longer

0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:35.480
<v Speaker 1>or shorter than anyone else's? You know what? What? How

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:38.120
<v Speaker 1>does all of that? You know, what do you see

0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:42.680
<v Speaker 1>going on that? You know, obviously every individual experiences differently

0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:48.120
<v Speaker 1>despite race, color, sex. You just depend on where you

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:53.520
<v Speaker 1>are that that it's either a healthy environment or unhealthy environment. Yeah.

0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:56.960
<v Speaker 1>I think, man, everywhere that I've worked has been like

0:39:57.480 --> 0:39:59.640
<v Speaker 1>super cool. Like the coaches I work with have been great.

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:01.839
<v Speaker 1>The guy that our coach has been great. So I'm

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:04.239
<v Speaker 1>thankful to the head coaches that I work with because

0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:06.640
<v Speaker 1>I think they kind of built that that culture. You

0:40:06.680 --> 0:40:10.279
<v Speaker 1>know that. Um, this diversity wins type attitude. So I

0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:12.399
<v Speaker 1>was in you know, Arizona and a f for coach

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:14.920
<v Speaker 1>New High School. Everything was cool there in the Dartmouth

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:17.920
<v Speaker 1>and with coaching very obviously in Carolina and now in

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:21.200
<v Speaker 1>d C. It's just been cool. Like I think my temperament,

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:23.920
<v Speaker 1>I can be myself. I think being authentic is what

0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:26.680
<v Speaker 1>got me here. So there's no need to change, you

0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:29.160
<v Speaker 1>know when I get into that spot. So, um, you

0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:31.160
<v Speaker 1>know the guy worked with Randy Jordan's man. You know,

0:40:31.200 --> 0:40:34.400
<v Speaker 1>he's a ball of energy, funny guy. Um, So I

0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:36.560
<v Speaker 1>think I kind of balanced us out sometime being more

0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:39.080
<v Speaker 1>laid back. Um, that's kind of been my my temperament

0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:42.200
<v Speaker 1>as a coach since I've been coached. You said something

0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:43.879
<v Speaker 1>I was kid. I want to go back to. You said,

0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:47.000
<v Speaker 1>being your authentic self. You get to be yourself. Has

0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:50.400
<v Speaker 1>it just an athlete, remove sex and color? Do you

0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 1>feel athletes struggle with being themselves? Yeah? I think sometimes,

0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:58.080
<v Speaker 1>especially at the professional level, just because everything that comes

0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 1>with it. You know, sometimes people kind of lose yourselves

0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:02.480
<v Speaker 1>and get lost in this sauce a little bit when

0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:05.560
<v Speaker 1>they start getting the money and the fame and um, so,

0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:08.480
<v Speaker 1>I think it's it's hard sometimes, especially the younger players,

0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:10.800
<v Speaker 1>to keep their identity, you know, when they get to

0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:13.440
<v Speaker 1>the live. Yeah, I've always said money makes you more

0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:16.839
<v Speaker 1>of what you already are. Yeah, if you're a dirt bag,

0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:19.719
<v Speaker 1>if you're a dirt bag before money, before money, just

0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:23.920
<v Speaker 1>a dirt bag with money. Right, if you frugal without money,

0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:26.719
<v Speaker 1>you just a frugal person with money. I mean, it

0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:28.360
<v Speaker 1>just makes you more of what you already are. It

0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:30.959
<v Speaker 1>reveals your true character. The money your bank account doesn't

0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:35.400
<v Speaker 1>change your attitude to who you are. So how do

0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:39.799
<v Speaker 1>you define success? Because you're you're very successful. You you've

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:42.560
<v Speaker 1>been a police officer, You've had the honor of coaching

0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 1>UM women and now coaching men and coaching in the

0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:52.000
<v Speaker 1>sport at the highest level, right at the highest level,

0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:55.360
<v Speaker 1>coaching in the sport. And you didn't go to college

0:41:55.400 --> 0:42:01.319
<v Speaker 1>for you participated in it, you know, for fun. But

0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:03.239
<v Speaker 1>that that, and I say it, that would be like

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:07.160
<v Speaker 1>me becoming and I'm not very good at basketball, either coaching,

0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:11.920
<v Speaker 1>observing it or playing it. That be me like becoming

0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:14.759
<v Speaker 1>a women's basketball coach at the college. You'd be like, Bro,

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:18.719
<v Speaker 1>how did that happen? Because I have no idea what

0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:23.480
<v Speaker 1>what it requires to be a women's basketball coach. So

0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:27.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm just I'm I'm putting myself out there. How

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:31.480
<v Speaker 1>did that progress? And how was it unfolding for you

0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:37.240
<v Speaker 1>to be a coach of the opposite sex and also

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:43.600
<v Speaker 1>in a position that you never played professionally or collegiately. Yeah,

0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:45.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean it wasn't as hard, I think as people

0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:50.759
<v Speaker 1>think because I played for thirteen years like one, that's so,

0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:57.239
<v Speaker 1>but anybody could do this sport dumb that it was

0:42:57.320 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 1>just I mean, I had had a lot of experience.

0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:05.000
<v Speaker 1>It was not like that, not like that. But I

0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:07.399
<v Speaker 1>had a lot of experience playing and once the national

0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Championships playing. Um so even I mean to add on

0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:12.680
<v Speaker 1>to the joke, but I was. I was coaching football

0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:18.040
<v Speaker 1>too while I was coaching basketball and a police officer. Yeah,

0:43:18.360 --> 0:43:19.799
<v Speaker 1>so I was. I mean, I've been doing this a

0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:22.319
<v Speaker 1>long time. It's not something that just happened. So I've

0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:25.360
<v Speaker 1>been coaching football for a really long time. Um and

0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:28.600
<v Speaker 1>obviously just learning and growing and um once I got

0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:31.840
<v Speaker 1>to the professional level of collegiate level, it really just

0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:33.279
<v Speaker 1>took off. And I think the same thing that made

0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:36.440
<v Speaker 1>me successful as a college basketball coach made me successful

0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:38.399
<v Speaker 1>as a football coach as well, and you know, being

0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:41.160
<v Speaker 1>able to communicate and teach and um, those have been

0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:43.279
<v Speaker 1>the big things for me. What do you consider the

0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:46.360
<v Speaker 1>biggest hurdles that you had to climb? One of the

0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:48.480
<v Speaker 1>biggest things for me was just walking away from basketball

0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:50.839
<v Speaker 1>because I was super comfortable. You know, we just win

0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:54.520
<v Speaker 1>a national championship and life was good, and I just

0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:57.359
<v Speaker 1>walked away from it all to go coach football out

0:43:57.360 --> 0:43:59.440
<v Speaker 1>of Arizona. So I kind of went from like the

0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:00.960
<v Speaker 1>top of the tow and pull it to the bottom.

0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:05.120
<v Speaker 1>And uh so just to make that decision, UM, what's difficult,

0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:07.760
<v Speaker 1>but obviously I'm glad I did. How did you mentally

0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:11.879
<v Speaker 1>prepare for the interview process? Um? I think one thing

0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:14.080
<v Speaker 1>Coach Rivera told me when I first started at Carolina

0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:17.279
<v Speaker 1>my first time was always be ready. So um, just

0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:19.840
<v Speaker 1>preparing and to you know, not going out sometimes the

0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 1>study stuff and to be prepared. And you know, also

0:44:23.080 --> 0:44:25.680
<v Speaker 1>the interview process I had in college basketball helped as well,

0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:29.479
<v Speaker 1>just to understand the process and how it works. So, UM,

0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:31.600
<v Speaker 1>I think those two things and just being ready and

0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 1>preparing myself helped me a lot. So the you know,

0:44:34.200 --> 0:44:36.239
<v Speaker 1>the interview process. So I went pretty smooth for me.

0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:40.120
<v Speaker 1>It was has been something an overblown point of views

0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:44.200
<v Speaker 1>about all of this for you particularly. Yeah, I mean

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:46.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of times, you know, people talk about the

0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:48.279
<v Speaker 1>playing part of it, but I mean, I played for

0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:52.080
<v Speaker 1>thirteen years, you know, so I played quarterback. I've went

0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:56.520
<v Speaker 1>to national championships, I've been I've been in the fire. Yeah,

0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:59.919
<v Speaker 1>so that's one of the things I guess people talk about.

0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:01.840
<v Speaker 1>But to be real, I don't really even read a

0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:04.560
<v Speaker 1>lot of comments. That's that's the people tell me. So

0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:07.560
<v Speaker 1>that's another thing. Dale Earnhard Jr. Your boy, he came

0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:09.239
<v Speaker 1>to speak to us when I was in Carolina. That's

0:45:09.280 --> 0:45:11.280
<v Speaker 1>one thing he talked about was just not reading the comments.

0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:15.400
<v Speaker 1>So I haven't read the comment. Do you ever desire

0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:20.239
<v Speaker 1>to be a head coach in the NFL? And I

0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:23.040
<v Speaker 1>think that's a possibility right now. I'm super just locked

0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:25.120
<v Speaker 1>into where I am, you know, kind of being where

0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:27.799
<v Speaker 1>your feet are. Um, So I think that's the best

0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:29.319
<v Speaker 1>way to get to that level is to do the

0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:31.520
<v Speaker 1>best job where you are now. You know, don't start

0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:34.279
<v Speaker 1>looking too far ahead and inspiring, uh, just because you know,

0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:36.359
<v Speaker 1>in the coaching business. You not have a job doing

0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:38.600
<v Speaker 1>that too much. So that's kind of you know where

0:45:38.600 --> 0:45:41.480
<v Speaker 1>I am right now. Our last section it's called the

0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:44.040
<v Speaker 1>Deep three, So it's just a segment that we do

0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:46.880
<v Speaker 1>to go beyond the jersey, go beyond the playing career,

0:45:46.880 --> 0:45:49.480
<v Speaker 1>and just really understand you as an individual. So it's

0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:52.919
<v Speaker 1>just three deeper level questions. It's give her the first one.

0:45:53.920 --> 0:45:58.040
<v Speaker 1>How do you stay true to yourself on and off

0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:02.200
<v Speaker 1>the field. I think that's easy for me, you know,

0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:05.040
<v Speaker 1>like I talked about earlier, that's being authentic. Um. You know,

0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:07.640
<v Speaker 1>I got a family that keeps me grounded, you know,

0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:09.879
<v Speaker 1>from those families that will roast you at any time.

0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:13.479
<v Speaker 1>So it doesn't matter what my success is still because

0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:15.719
<v Speaker 1>they don't care, you know. And but that's cool, you know,

0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:17.719
<v Speaker 1>it keeps you ground and I think, you know, those

0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:19.520
<v Speaker 1>are one of the big reasons why I just kind

0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:23.680
<v Speaker 1>of stay authentic to myself. What do you hope your

0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:26.640
<v Speaker 1>role is in shaping the future generation of women? Well,

0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 1>that's a good question like that, Yeah, I mean I

0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:31.759
<v Speaker 1>think the current position, like you talked about the representation.

0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:35.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm a representation of something that I didn't have,

0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:38.719
<v Speaker 1>and I think, um, that's important for me now to

0:46:38.840 --> 0:46:41.120
<v Speaker 1>really kind of carry that sorch, you know, just to

0:46:41.120 --> 0:46:43.120
<v Speaker 1>show people what they can do and what they're capable of.

0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:48.200
<v Speaker 1>What do you want people to remember about Jennifer King

0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:51.960
<v Speaker 1>when it's all setting down, Uh, just remembering I was

0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:54.160
<v Speaker 1>a great coach. You know. It doesn't necessarily have to

0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:56.040
<v Speaker 1>be that I was the female coach or anything. Just

0:46:56.120 --> 0:46:59.400
<v Speaker 1>I was a great coach. I was successful, um, you know,

0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:06.280
<v Speaker 1>and I would love to win the Super Bowl? Would

0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:08.719
<v Speaker 1>you ever want to coach football? You didn't let me

0:47:08.760 --> 0:47:14.960
<v Speaker 1>finish the question. Too many hours and not enough pay

0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:18.200
<v Speaker 1>and what I mean, by the day, those coaches, those

0:47:18.560 --> 0:47:22.200
<v Speaker 1>position coaches put in a lot of time. And also

0:47:22.400 --> 0:47:26.759
<v Speaker 1>see and being a former player, why do you need

0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:29.000
<v Speaker 1>to be sitting in the office till one or two

0:47:29.000 --> 0:47:34.800
<v Speaker 1>in the morning. If we've all heard that story, nothing

0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:38.400
<v Speaker 1>good ever happens after midnight. So how are you going?

0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:42.960
<v Speaker 1>How the hell you gonna coach after midnight? Whatever you

0:47:43.000 --> 0:47:48.040
<v Speaker 1>are trying to get done, at some point you hit

0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:51.840
<v Speaker 1>a wall. You only can watch so much film. And

0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:55.479
<v Speaker 1>I think I think that coaches sometimes believe the more

0:47:56.320 --> 0:48:00.960
<v Speaker 1>work you put in, the more efficient. That's not the truth.

0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:04.839
<v Speaker 1>I played some of those plays that you've drawn up,

0:48:04.880 --> 0:48:08.560
<v Speaker 1>either at midnight or in the regular day have not worked.

0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:12.759
<v Speaker 1>So here's the question I have. So is it the

0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:17.840
<v Speaker 1>City Chiefs work late or early? Because either way was

0:48:17.880 --> 0:48:23.960
<v Speaker 1>it good? Poor products? Piss poor product? Oh? Man? So

0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:26.960
<v Speaker 1>is it the Is it the demands of the job. Yeah,

0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:30.000
<v Speaker 1>the demands of the job being around football. But then

0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:36.160
<v Speaker 1>also too, um Man ball has just changed a line. Man,

0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't want to put in that much time.

0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:43.240
<v Speaker 1>I put in a lot of time to prepare for shows.

0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Now you add I know what I do in TV,

0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:53.719
<v Speaker 1>and that scale back tremendously. I can't imagine there's in

0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:57.880
<v Speaker 1>TVs there in the off season, there's guys are guys

0:48:57.960 --> 0:49:00.520
<v Speaker 1>are looking at draft picks right now. I you're looking

0:49:00.520 --> 0:49:04.480
<v Speaker 1>at film right now to go into the season. They're

0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:06.919
<v Speaker 1>looking at what what about this? Their opponents? They gotta

0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:10.759
<v Speaker 1>look at the opponents they're playing in right They know

0:49:11.200 --> 0:49:13.800
<v Speaker 1>that they're playing no matter who they think they're playing

0:49:14.600 --> 0:49:17.360
<v Speaker 1>outside of their division, they know they're playing, you know,

0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:19.799
<v Speaker 1>talking about the Carolina Panthers, talking about the Baltimore Ravens,

0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:22.680
<v Speaker 1>talking about the censors score for the Niners. They're playing

0:49:22.719 --> 0:49:26.880
<v Speaker 1>what the other three teams twice, so they're getting ready

0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:29.920
<v Speaker 1>for that game plan. Who's on the roster, who's not there,

0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:32.720
<v Speaker 1>who's becoming a free agent, who's the draft picks, who's

0:49:32.920 --> 0:49:35.200
<v Speaker 1>who's eligible man? And then you got your team who

0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:38.160
<v Speaker 1>were not keeping? Who are we keeping? No, I'm good.

0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:40.200
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people say they want to coach because

0:49:40.200 --> 0:49:41.719
<v Speaker 1>they want to get back to the game. So you

0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:44.959
<v Speaker 1>got other ways you want to get back that game

0:49:45.000 --> 0:49:48.680
<v Speaker 1>taken for it, I'm not giving back. No, you are

0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:54.600
<v Speaker 1>a unique person. You are well worth it, you are competent,

0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:59.360
<v Speaker 1>and most of all, you're lovable. I'm Steve Smith Senior,

0:49:59.600 --> 0:50:01.680
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