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Speaker 1: Bole Cat Podcast special guests in here my guy Marlon Kraft, Sir,

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Speaker 1: he is back.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you man, you too, man, always good

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Speaker 2: to see you bro. Yes, the new album is out.

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Speaker 2: It's been crazy.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to Gabe and on the radar because it's

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Speaker 1: been interesting to see people treat you like you're like

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Speaker 1: a brand new artist that like just came out of

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Speaker 1: nowhere off that freestyle like yo, my got.

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Speaker 2: Low key like a young og. Now like you've been

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Speaker 2: putting it work. Donk you thank you. You're one of

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Speaker 2: the You're one of the few that know and that

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Speaker 2: have always been showing love. So it's it's it's a

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Speaker 2: cool dichotomy right now.

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Speaker 1: It's got to be kind of cool though, like because

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Speaker 1: also like a lot of the people who are in

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Speaker 1: that cipher were also very like just super like you know,

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Speaker 1: I would say they're kind of like the new class

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Speaker 1: of like the underground, you know, dope shit. And then

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Speaker 1: then you're in the mix and you've been doing your thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've got numbers on the bro, you got

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Speaker 1: you know, you've been doing.

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Speaker 2: This, you know what I mean I mean that yeah, man,

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Speaker 2: it was it was actually really really cool because I

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Speaker 2: just realized, man, what a blessing it is to still

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Speaker 2: be up next this many years in and watching all

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Speaker 2: these people discover me, and then also watching my fans

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Speaker 2: be like you never heard of Marlin. Here's where you start.

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Speaker 2: I do da da da da da da, like you know,

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Speaker 2: and it's like that's really cool to see and just

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Speaker 2: getting put on like some of those guys I was

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Speaker 2: familiar with, but it was actually you could even feel

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Speaker 2: it in the cipher, like some of the guys been

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Speaker 2: like Yo, I've been waiting to wrap with you, or

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Speaker 2: like like yo, you're You're a legend, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. Like that was there was real respect. They've

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Speaker 2: been like watching my ship for a long time. And

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Speaker 2: I could tell some of the guys like never didn't

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Speaker 2: know me from a campaign and then you wrapped in

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Speaker 2: they were like oh shit, yeah yeah. So it was cool.

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Speaker 2: Like even within the group there was that dichotomy. It

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Speaker 2: was pretty much split down the middle. So I guess

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Speaker 2: that's kind of like the Marlin story. But it's cool.

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Speaker 2: We're at this point now where we're breaking through that

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Speaker 2: to like get that other fifty percent on board, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: For you, man, you've always had a level of political

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Speaker 1: awareness and political commentary in your music. This feels like

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Speaker 1: a very very specifically motivated project. I mean the theme

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Speaker 1: throughout the album I think is very like it's kind

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Speaker 1: of a sign of the times ran And by that,

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Speaker 1: I mean like there's like the polymarket caushi culture and

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Speaker 1: like this weird like microwavable culture where people don't really

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Speaker 1: have beliefs and they put monetary gain over their own

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Speaker 1: moral compass. And what would you for anybody who hasn't

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Speaker 1: heard the album, what would you say is like the

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Speaker 1: main inspiration behind the Internet killed the neighborhood, Man.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're starting to lay it out pretty well

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Speaker 2: right there. I mean, yeah, I just feel like, obviously

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Speaker 2: there's this more specific interpretation of these tenets of community

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Speaker 2: and mentorship and camaraderie and sort of a village of

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Speaker 2: people where you know, our humanity is rooted and looking

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Speaker 2: out for one another on some basic level, and I

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Speaker 2: see that just eroding and deteriorating based off of social

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Speaker 2: media and the Internet and all this stuff. But then

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Speaker 2: there's also kind of like what does that mean at

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Speaker 2: large in the world, Like everything that's going on, you know,

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Speaker 2: on a global scale, and the times that we're in

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Speaker 2: even with the as we're just kind of at the

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Speaker 2: dawn of even more and more technology, like on the

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Speaker 2: precipice of in the next ten years, like what does

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Speaker 2: that mean for our collective humanity and what do we

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Speaker 2: care about? And in the album it was sort of

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Speaker 2: like there's this personal story of me coming of age,

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Speaker 2: like kind of really growing into a man, working on

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Speaker 2: this project over the course five six years and finding

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Speaker 2: out things about myself and shit. But then in that context,

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Speaker 2: so like looking out the window, everything that's going on,

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Speaker 2: where do I sit in it? You know, it's a lot.

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Speaker 2: So it's a pretty dense. It's a pretty dense record.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, do.

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Speaker 1: You feel like cause you're from House Kitchen, right yeah,

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Speaker 1: which is turned into like a pretty viby neighborhood. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's like it's food there, there's like there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of gay shit going on hill. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like a new gay epicenter because

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Speaker 2: like Chelsea, which is directly self it's your areas right

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Speaker 2: of the gay population moved up from Chelsea, so that's

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Speaker 2: understand as a culture appicenter for the neighborhood now and

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Speaker 2: it's just like a lot of restaurants, a lot of

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Speaker 2: it's great food over there. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: How do you how would you kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: based on how you grew up in that area to now,

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Speaker 1: what is I guess the negative drawbacks you feel like

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Speaker 1: of how the neighborhood is kind of I would I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's been gentrified, but how it's kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, man, bro, people just getting displaced like crazy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, my friends that aren't either in government housing

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Speaker 2: They're all on Jersey now or they're being you know,

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Speaker 2: moved out of the place where they grew up. Because

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Speaker 2: it's just people coming in and driving up price. But

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Speaker 2: that's also like culturally, that's kind of the whole city, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And that's really the whole city. Like it's just emblematic

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Speaker 2: it's really hit the most. I mean, I think it's

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Speaker 2: just like all these people that have come in. You

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Speaker 2: always had people moving to new York. But they were

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Speaker 2: moving to New York to try more often to try

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Speaker 2: to contribute to the fabric of like culture or the art.

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Speaker 2: So they came with like a dream to do something

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Speaker 2: out and do like year four through eight of their

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Speaker 2: cultural draw of New York. But then they simultaneously kind

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Speaker 2: really so that that's kind of you know, what happens

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Speaker 2: a lot. And yeah, it's sad. I think people that

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Speaker 2: And yeah, but I see that happened in cities across

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting too because if you think of like

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Speaker 1: lot of foreign nationals, a lot of billionaires, they just

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Speaker 2: It's such an expensive place to be now, Like I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's just crazy. It's And then you could say that

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Speaker 2: these cultural tenets of like the New York I grew

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Speaker 2: right because everything's like a New York meme on the internet.

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Speaker 2: Everything's like, you know, Tim's dis and chop cheese that

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Speaker 2: it just feels very like in weird tastes sometimes. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't know that's.

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Speaker 1: This was where how we feeling about Zorn. It's over

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Speaker 1: there showing motherfuckers how to govern.

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Speaker 2: It looks like I'm fucking with dude. Man, I'm rocking

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Speaker 1: I'm just glad because you know, I'm a Bernie bruh.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've donated money to Bernie Sanders, I've volunteered

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Speaker 1: for him. But I've been extremely like disenfranchised by the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party.

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Speaker 2: For a very long time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's useless, to be honest, but to see democratic

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Speaker 1: socialism working in the biggest city in the world, I'm like, yo,

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Speaker 1: what do we do is look at He's balanced the

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Speaker 1: budget in like fucking six months.

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Speaker 2: It's mad inspiring and it's and it's it's also just

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Speaker 2: kind of showing these moderate democrat uh absolutists that don't

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Speaker 2: sort of bullshit pragmatism that they would claim, where it

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Speaker 2: was like, no, we can't get so crazy with these

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Speaker 2: just be would actually just hold on to a seat

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Speaker 2: in power, and yeah, we have to you know, appease

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Speaker 2: our donors, right special interest that backed us to get here.

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Speaker 2: But he's kind of proving that, actually, this is what

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Speaker 2: the future if you guys hope, because you guys have just

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Speaker 2: many years, leading us to where we've been now with

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Speaker 2: a party, Like, this is is where it lies. So definitely, no,

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Speaker 2: it's cool and it's funny being kid from Sick because

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Speaker 2: like one of my best friends went to high school

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Speaker 2: we're like the same age, so it's very it's personally

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Speaker 2: inspiring to me to see the type of like conviction

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Speaker 2: and most importantly, just the things that he's doing.

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Speaker 1: You know, and a former MC I heard about that.

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Speaker 1: You didn't watch his music video.

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Speaker 2: I didn't watch it because I was I didn't want

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Speaker 2: like yeah that shit. Yeah, I just and you know,

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Speaker 2: it's all in good fun, but I'm just more it's

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Speaker 2: not bad. Yeah, it's fine. I didn't I just didn't

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Speaker 2: peep it because I was so excited at the time.

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Speaker 1: He's in the Halal truck with no shirt on and

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Speaker 1: like the bib like making food and ship like rapping

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Speaker 1: about his grandma's It's not bad.

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Speaker 2: That's it's a dope visual. I'll have to check it out.

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Speaker 2: I have to check it out. I didn't peep it

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Speaker 2: because I don't know. I was just like sometimes I

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Speaker 1: He re runs he should do it on the Radar

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Speaker 1: freestyle that would go crazy.

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Speaker 2: But see that this is where like you got to

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Speaker 2: draw the line somewhere because that's like you see my

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Speaker 2: always think like the marketing of something or whatever. Uh,

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Speaker 2: and that would be like a brilliant idea and it

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Speaker 2: this is how I feel about the Internet right now,

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Speaker 2: and everything's like, guys, we gotta be serious. At some point,

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Speaker 2: we gotta No one's gonna draw the lines for us,

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Speaker 2: like your role is viral is the ultimate dogma right now.

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Speaker 2: So it was a certain point it's like Trump just

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. You become unseerious.

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Speaker 1: And we've also been desensitized to foolishness where it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: at what point in time is like if you're a professional,

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's my whole shit right now, to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that shoulders record on your album is thank you Man,

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Speaker 2: I wrote that the last time, the last time I

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Speaker 2: Guy like you know who prof is, Yeah, I've heard

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Speaker 1: He's from Minneapolis, underground rapper forever, and you just start

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Speaker 1: I haven't been this excited for playoffs since the Sun's

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Speaker 2: with you know, taking Cat and putting him on the

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Speaker 2: nail and letting him operate from there. Offensively. He's back

432
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Speaker 2: playing really good defense now the defense is locked in.

433
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Speaker 2: If OG's hamstring holds up, I just feel good about

434
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Speaker 2: us against anybody. I just feel like the West, those

435
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Speaker 2: two teams, they're tough. No, did you watch the game

436
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 2: last night? I was on the plane. It was going

437
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 2: in and out. I was watching the Monstars play.

438
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Speaker 1: Dude, yeah, Victor Woman Yan is like a fucking I

439
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,440
Speaker 1: feel like we're cooked for the NBA is cooked for

440
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Speaker 1: the next eight years because it's going to be the

441
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Speaker 1: Spurs and the Thunder.

442
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Speaker 2: These motherfuckers are all twelve years old. That's how the

443
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 2: way I felt watching it was like, Yo, the thought

444
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Speaker 2: I actually had, Bros. I was like, we better get

445
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Speaker 2: this shit. Dylan Harper's a rookie. I get this shoot

446
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,360
Speaker 2: because because after that, like Wemby, Wemby is gonna be

447
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 2: like as long unless it's like a couple of years

448
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Speaker 2: he gets.

449
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy, bro, No, it's wild. And then

450
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 1: the Thunder have all those picks still pressed. These Jesus

451
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 1: like it's like every time they hit the apron, they'll

452
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Speaker 1: just trade. All right, lou Dort, your time to go.

453
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Speaker 1: We're just gonna draft someone else. It's gonna be.

454
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Speaker 2: It's we don't match up terrible with the Thunder though,

455
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Speaker 2: like I mean, sorry with the with the Spurs, like

456
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 2: they're their matches. They have no one for Wemby. I

457
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Speaker 2: mean like it's it's but we I mean, I know

458
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 2: regular season doesn't mean ship. But we matched up well

459
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Speaker 2: with the Spurs in the regular season when we played

460
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Speaker 2: who was gardening Mitch? You have Mitch, but he's but

461
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 2: you can't keep him in the fourth quarter. You have

462
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Speaker 2: Mitch but but but Og is one of those guys

463
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Speaker 2: that can give trouble to like do what they're trying

464
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Speaker 2: to do with Caruso. But actually that's what I'm saying.

465
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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, he's still put up forty two points. Yeah,

466
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Speaker 2: we have we have we have uh, Mitch, we have

467
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Speaker 2: O g and hold his own and then if if

468
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Speaker 2: Kat is playing defensive way he's been playing the last

469
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Speaker 2: few weeks, I mean, I worry about foul trouble. I

470
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Speaker 2: worry about that with the Cavs, with their two big guys.

471
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm always worried about foul trouble. Do you

472
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Speaker 2: feel like because.

473
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Speaker 1: You were I don't know how much of a fan

474
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Speaker 1: you were of Tibbs, but I feel like it was

475
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 1: kind of a you know, it probably deserved it to stay.

476
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 1: But I mean, you guys are in the Eastern Conference finals,

477
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Speaker 1: so something obviously Mike Brown is you know, also a

478
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Speaker 1: well traveled guy.

479
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Speaker 2: My opinion, well, it's funny. It's like I've watched a

480
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Speaker 2: lot of times this year and I'll be like, damn, TIBs,

481
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 2: all you had to do was put Landry Shaman in

482
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Speaker 2: the rotation and you'd be here. Like I think he

483
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Speaker 2: did it. I think everyone was pretty pleased with him.

484
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Speaker 2: But he just really wouldn't budge on the rotation issue

485
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Speaker 2: of like playing the same six guys seven guys so.

486
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Speaker 1: Much like fucking thirty six minutes, forty minutes forever.

487
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Speaker 2: And we'll see what happens obviously this year. But I

488
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Speaker 2: will say, we're in the conference finals and we're rested,

489
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 2: and we've been resting for a week. When we got

490
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Speaker 2: to the conference finals last year, we were destroyed. So

491
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 2: I mean that to me, that was this It was

492
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 2: like a single issue thing. But I got love for

493
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Speaker 2: TIBs and what he did for us. I think he's

494
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 2: a great coach, but it was like he was dogmatic

495
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Speaker 2: about that one thing.

496
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Speaker 1: So yeah, very I feel like he's a polarizing guy

497
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Speaker 1: because you see some players be like like I remember

498
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 1: when Michael Bridges complained yea, and I was like that guy,

499
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Speaker 1: if iron Man's.

500
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Speaker 2: Complaining about how much he has to play, I never

501
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 2: missed the game, you know what I mean. So I

502
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Speaker 2: don't know. It's hard to say. I mean, I think

503
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 2: he's a great coach, but I also think it worked out. Yeah, yeah,

504
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 2: you know we're gonna well, we're gonna sae.

505
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Speaker 1: Mark Jackson was a great coach, and then Steve Kirk

506
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Speaker 1: came in, you know what I mean. So it's like

507
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Speaker 1: that's I'm hoping that's the trajectory that we're on. Man,

508
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Speaker 1: I'm getting nervous now, you're making me nervous, but I'm

509
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm excited.

510
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Speaker 2: I love the next bro. And also like I I'm

511
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Speaker 2: talking next with you because because we always talked basketball

512
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Speaker 2: and whatever. But it's like I'm not even gonna talk

513
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: next with certin people more because people are so dogmatic,

514
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Speaker 2: Like I've had too many bad experiences where like, you know,

515
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: I bleed this shit right it means it matters like

516
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: so much to me, and like the internet be I

517
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 2: don't want to be fodder for like people to talk

518
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 2: about the Knicks and my fan be testing me and

519
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 2: all this bullshit. It's like, bro, I really do this,

520
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 2: Like I don't. I don't want to hear about it.

521
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 2: So I'm like even lately, I'm like people like, let's

522
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: talk about the Knicks.

523
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, are you gonna spend your own hard earned

524
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 1: dollars to go to a finals game if they make it?

525
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, you know what's fucked up. One

526
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 2: of my best friends hit me this morning. He called

527
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Speaker 2: me twice and then he hit me like what are

528
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: you doing tonight? What's up? Where are we at? And

529
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Speaker 2: I call him back.

530
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Speaker 1: He's like, bro, I got Game one tickets, I got

531
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Speaker 1: the suite from my job.

532
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: Let's go. We're going to the game. I'm like, bro,

533
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Speaker 2: I'm in fucking la. Now you wouldn't you want to

534
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 2: go to the finals? But I the finals. I think

535
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: my dad was like talking about it and he was like,

536
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 2: I'm already like seeing what the deal is. I'm thinking

537
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 2: about it. I think, especially if it was me and

538
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 2: my dad, you gotta stay because my dad, you know,

539
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Speaker 2: like he's been a fan since sixty nine, in seventy

540
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Speaker 2: seventy two. So last night they were like, he's indoctrinated

541
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 2: me into this, and it's always been something that we've

542
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Speaker 2: shared that's really special, you know, to us in our relationship.

543
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: So for us to go like if you know, but

544
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Speaker 2: I you know, I'm trying to get my money back

545
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 2: off of this album. You know what I'm saying. I

546
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 2: put a lot into it. I don't have the worst

547
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: thing that could ever happen.

548
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Speaker 1: I spent good money to see the Suns in the

549
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Speaker 1: finals because I was like, I gotta go to one

550
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 1: of these games.

551
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we got fucking smoked.

552
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: And I was like, if there's the worst the worst

553
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Speaker 1: feeling in the world is paying good money to go

554
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: watch your team and they get fucking molly wopped, or

555
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: even if they lose a close one, it just it

556
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Speaker 1: just suck.

557
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Speaker 2: That's how I always feel. And it's so fun to

558
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: like watch at home or watch with people that I'm

559
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 2: always like, but I want to fill that energy one

560
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: time for sure. It's it's it's it is, It's there.

561
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: But if if you spend im, you spend like a

562
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: thousand dollars and then they get clapped by.

563
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Speaker 1: People start losing by the third quarter or some shit,

564
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Speaker 1: You're like, why what the fuck?

565
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Speaker 2: You know you write down, but I'm down. I gotta

566
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 2: see what the money looking like. But we'll see.

567
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:09,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're You're like, are you a football fan too?

568
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: Are you strictly basketball? Like, what's your fandom with other sports?

569
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: Is it just Knicks or I'm a Jets fan.

570
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 2: But I'll be I'll be totally honest with you, like

571
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: being a Knicks fan took all my emotional capacity.

572
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: As I said, you ever get to the point because

573
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Speaker 1: I'm an Arizona sports fan. So I am a Cardinal

574
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: fan and a Suns fan. Yeah, and so I don't

575
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: know how many offseasons me and my best friends have

576
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 1: the conversation like why do we do this?

577
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: We don't owe the team. This ship will suck the

578
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: life out of me for like a week.

579
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so emotionally invested in some ship that I

580
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: can't even fucking control.

581
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: And every year I'm like, what should stop watching? That's

582
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: how yo. There was a lot of years like that

583
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: with the Knicks, you know, like that's how you know,

584
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: But that's how I am with the Jets. I'll be honest, like,

585
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 2: I don't really because I just don't. I'm busy guy, bro,

586
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 2: And then the Knicks game are enough. I'm Aankee fan

587
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 2: every year though, I'm like, I'm gonna really tap in

588
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: with the Yankees this year, and then I'm always just

589
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: like super busy. But I grew up when they were

590
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 2: winning all those chips in the nineties, in the last nineties,

591
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 2: so you know, I'm a Yankee, I'm I'm Nick's Yankees Jets.

592
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 2: But yeah, if I'm being honest, I'm really just tapped

593
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 2: in with the Knicks.

594
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: Have you thought about doing a home court Advantage three

595
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: and what would be the basketball flip for the cover

596
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Speaker 1: because you had the Slam magazine, Yeah, the NBA Street Yeah.

597
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 2: I don't know. I thought I've you know, to be honest,

598
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 2: those were so fun. But I also think part of

599
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: what this album was for me is me. You know.

600
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,959
Speaker 2: I did all those side projects, experimenting with these different

601
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: parts of my sound and who I am, and I

602
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: feel like on this project it represents kind of me

603
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 2: stepping into my own sonically and who I am and graduation.

604
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 2: It's a graduation and I'm like, Yo, this is kind

605
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Speaker 2: of where I am now. I feel grown up, and

606
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Speaker 2: I feel like I just want to keep pushing myself

607
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: musically and creatively further and further. So I don't know

608
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: that it doesn't mean I'm never gonna like bar out

609
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: on some straight rap shit.

610
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: No, I mean I feel like the song making on

611
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Speaker 1: the New album is the best you've ever had it

612
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644
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Speaker 1: gave myself executive producer.

645
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: CREDIT i was in every, session working with the, musicians

646
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: deciding to bring in certain, musicians sometimes comping out stuff

647
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: or WHATEVER i don't. PLAY i don't like you very.

648
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: Much Like, YEAH i was like old School capitol p

649
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: producer on a lot of stuff and almost all of.

650
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: It BUT i give so much credit to first of,

651
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: All Dan, edinburgh my big, homie who's playing bass almost the,

652
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: records but also produce like eight of them and really

653
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: help me like mold everything. Sonically he's an incredible. Musician

654
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: my big Homie sly Fifth av who's incredible horn. Player

655
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: he used to play With prince and all this crazy,

656
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: shit and he did all the horn, arrangements the flute.

657
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: Arrangements so you, KNOW i had some incredible people THAT

658
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: i worked with on this, project and a ton of,

659
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: musicians BUT i was very hands on with. Everything, yeah

660
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: hours and hours and. Hours AND i realized THAT i

661
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: have to say that, Now LIKE i used to be more, like,

662
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: hey if it's got The marlocraft name on, IT i

663
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: really want everyone else to just shine and the produce.

664
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: Whatever BUT i started to get older and realized that

665
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: people would sometimes ask me questions that would show like

666
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: they would ask me things, like, oh do you do

667
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: the track listing? Yourself like do you pick? Where And

668
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: i'm like the track list, Shit i'm, like, Bro i'm

669
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: like secrets in the whole Time i'm in every, Session

670
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: i'm really like Con i'm like, so and then your

671
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: artist doesn't do, that by the, WAY i don't.

672
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: KNOW i want to know the rapper that just you,

673
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: know the label, says, hey by the, way here's the

674
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: order of your.

675
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: Song, YEAH i don't, know BUT i realized. Too. Man

676
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: it's Like i'm starting to get. Older you talked about

677
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: this woman WHEN i came. In You you're wearing so many,

678
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: hats doing so much, shit AND i, realized, like, hey, man,

679
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: like hopefully you know your career in this thing is.

680
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: LONG i might want to do some of these things

681
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: for other people at some, point like executive producing someone else's.

682
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: Ship i'll be, Here So i'm, LIKE i got to

683
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: give myself my credits WHEN i when they're, deserved so

684
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: THAT i can show what my resume really.

685
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: Is you, know if you could executive produce another MC's

686
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: album within, reason obviously you obviously Say JAY z or.

687
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: OBVIOUSLY i, Mean i'm not to say that that's not

688
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: within reason for, you but just like you, know at

689
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: this very, moment that's a realistic.

690
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: Goal who you think would be dope you could just

691
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: just just lock in. With it would be somebody really,

692
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 2: Young like it would be something THAT i really felt

693
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: LIKE i could, contribute because you, Know i'm really tapped

694
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 2: in with a lot of the young MC's In New.

695
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: York and especially for this live band Residency i've been

696
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: doing WHERE i bring a lot of them out to

697
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: spit as guests and everything like, that and So i'm you,

698
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: know getting more tapped in AND i try to be

699
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: a mentor WHERE i can and just be. Around But

700
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 2: i'd be seeing shit And i'm, like, ah, man LIKE

701
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: i could hear them on. THIS i could if, like

702
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: IF i could executive produce an, ALBUM i THINK i

703
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: could get the music to a higher. Level i'm not

704
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: exactly sure like who, specifically BUT i would want to

705
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: do it in a way that gives back THAT i

706
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: could really help somebody level up rather than, like obviously

707
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: it would be fun for me to do for Like

708
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: jay Or knives Or kendrick or, somebody but they don't

709
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: really need. Me i'd rather contribute to somebody coming.

710
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: Up The Analog man record is special. Joint obviously it

711
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: was the lead the lead single for the, album right,

712
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: YEAH i think we just showed first and Then Analog

713
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: Analog man record is, Incredible thank you.

714
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: Man how do you get The havoc? Beat? Like what

715
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: is how does? That do you pick from a? Pack do? You? Guys?

716
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: Like what is he does he pull up you guys

717
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: work on it, Together, like what's what's the process like?

718
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: Working we Have so he's only ever sent me two.

719
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: Beats we have two, Songs Hans zimmer and Analog. Man

720
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: for Analog, MAN i had been connected WITH Methi, man

721
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: so we were gonna try to do the record that

722
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 2: we ended up, doing The Muggsy bogues, record BUT i

723
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: had Hit he was, like let's do. SOMETHING i want

724
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: to do, something And i'm like, Cool SO i hit

725
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: have AND i was, like, yo me And meth want

726
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: to do. Something could you cook up for us? Whatever

727
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: and he was like, Bad i'm gonna cook. Up so

728
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: he sent me that beat the next day and that

729
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: was like this is like twenty three maybe or twenty

730
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: four and then AND i was, like, yo this is.

731
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 2: Crazy and THEN i started writing to. It and then

732
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: the next day he hit me up and was, Like,

733
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: yo did you send it To meth? Yet AND i

734
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: was like, nah and he was LIKE i think you.

735
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: SHOULD i think you should carry that one, Yourself LIKE

736
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: i think you should just keep that record for. Yourself

737
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: so that's what happened with, that and it was just

738
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: the loop and Then i've then we added all the

739
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: instrumentation all the other ship and he always like in

740
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: both of those, instances he sent me the stems and,

741
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: like let me do my, thing which is really. Cool so,

742
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: yeah it just but it's definitely not a pack like

743
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 2: it's very like intentional in one. Offee i've met him

744
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 2: in person only one, time but, yeah so that's. Fire

745
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 2: what what for?

746
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 1: You do you feel like there's there's been a point

747
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: in the last five or six years where you've just

748
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: kind of felt like society has kind of broken, Itself

749
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: like you had that line about like people like you

750
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: could be on the rocket ship With elon and you're, good, like,

751
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: YEAH i feel LIKE i don't know where it. HAPPENED

752
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: i don't know if it was DURING, COVID i don't

753
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: know if it was. Before it just feels like there's

754
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: like a certain point in time where just we've we've

755
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: kind of broken as a. Society AND i don't know

756
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: if it's THE ai, shit, yea you, know there's so

757
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: much things you could point. To is there anything for

758
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: you personally where you were just, like, yeah what the

759
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: fuck is going on right?

760
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: NOW i feel that, Way LIKE i resonate with that really.

761
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 2: DEEPLY i feel an immense loneliness and, solitude and solitude

762
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: in my complete disconnection principally from where we're headed as

763
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: a society and the shit that we seem to. Value

764
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: and the hardest part about it, IS i think a

765
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: lot of. People that's not in judgment of a lot of,

766
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 2: people BECAUSE i think a lot of people are adhering

767
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: to some shit that's not truly who they are or

768
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 2: even who they feel they, are because we're just, adapting,

769
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: yeah like they have, to you, Know, Yeah AND i

770
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: feel that way about, myself even LIKE i feel a

771
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 2: lot of shame in HOW i watch myself engage with

772
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: social media and stuff like that While i'm levying these

773
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 2: critiques against it and just operating in a way THAT

774
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: i feel like is beneath the standard THAT i want for.

775
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: Myself but it's just so hard with all these addictive

776
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: things going, on and then when you stop for a

777
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 2: moment to be, present to not fall into the pit of.

778
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 2: Despair you think you want to be an educated, person

779
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: you want to be up on, Things it's, like all,

780
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: right we'll try reading the paper every day and see

781
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: how that does for your. Psyche because what's going on

782
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: is in the world it's just. Brutal BUT i think

783
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 2: that the things that we seem to value there seems

784
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 2: you talk about a breaking.

785
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: Point there seems to be this allegiance to just bigness

786
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: without the value that that bigness, espouses like.

787
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 2: Fame and solubility or like making, money just validate, everything

788
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: it seems to me in everybody's, Eyes and you can't

789
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: even have a conversation now where in so many rooms

790
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: and places THAT i want to be where you're talking about, like,

791
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: yeah but that's not dope because the shit that it.

792
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: Stands for is fucked, up or because the artistic integrity

793
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: of it isn't up to a, standard or because it's

794
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: just clearly a.

795
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: Grift you. Know it's like grift has become so normalized

796
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: because our presidents the ultimate, grifter the.

797
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: Biggest SO i feel, hustler. CAN'T i, mean, look he's

798
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: like an old school LIKE i feel, Like i'm.

799
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 2: Sure in the seventies and eighties there was just a

800
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: whole city full of. Motherfuckers it was just hitting lits

801
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 2: To New york and he just did. It he's such

802
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: an archetype of a certain of exactly what you just.

803
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: Said everyone he read out of The bible the other

804
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 1: day and like could barely get through it because he's

805
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: not A, christian he's not religious at.

806
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: All, yeah but it's a. Grift, yeah it works for.

807
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: Him so he's, like, yeah it's the funniest shit to.

808
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: Me AND i just feel many, days, bro LIKE i

809
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: just don't know what to. Do AND i do believe in,

810
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: Art LIKE i believe that WHAT i do is like you,

811
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 2: know is has whatever the appropriate amount of relative, importance

812
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: you know What i'm. Saying, LIKE i think it resonates with,

813
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,959
Speaker 2: people helps them understand maybe their relation to themselves, better

814
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 2: helps them express or get in touch with, emotions helps

815
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: them feel, represented helps them understand things a little. Better

816
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: BUT i also just feel a real weird like despair

817
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: and helplessness about the state of things and my place in.

818
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: Them especially the older THAT i, get you start to

819
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 2: lose the excitement, around you. KNOW i was talking to my,

820
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: Friend i've been doing some of these interviews and getting

821
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: some of these, looks and he was, like, man like

822
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 2: eight years, ago nine years, ago, bro everything you're doing,

823
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,479
Speaker 2: now we would have been like freaking. Out we would

824
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: have felt like we were just on top of the

825
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: world because in your, twenties you just feel like everything's

826
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: ahead of, you you know WHAT i, Mean it's all

827
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: this ambitious, energy and then you start to see the

828
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 2: world and how it really. Operates And i'm not Saying

829
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: i'm not excited And i'm not, grateful But i'm also just, like,

830
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: damn what's really? Important what DO i really care? About

831
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: and what DO i? Do like how DO i contribute

832
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 2: in a way that that my nervous system can also?

833
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: Handle SO i feel, LIKE i, mean this is a

834
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: long tangential rent to your question about a broken system and,

835
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: whatever BUT i feel a lot of resonance with.

836
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: That, yeah it's like almost like everything you, know there's

837
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: we're obviously a capitalistic, society but everything is so hyper

838
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: focused On, yeah but you know it's better for you,

839
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: know you heard what was that bitch's Named Pam bondy

840
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: when she when she brought up in the, thing she was,

841
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: like but the Dal jones is, over you, know whatever the?

842
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: Fuck AND i think about just like it's kind of,

843
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: TRANSLATED i guess kind of LIKE i don't know if

844
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: it's A trump, thing but all of that kind of

845
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: approach to like the world when it comes.

846
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: TO, ai like we KNOW ai is bad for.

847
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: Society and totality because it's gonna displace people's. Jobs you,

848
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: know it's gonna increase the like like super poverty is

849
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 1: gonna be. Crazy you know a lot of these rich

850
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: motherfuckers really just want us to sit at home and

851
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: live in a virtual world and eat their fucking bug

852
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 1: protein and just be. Consumers but it even like bleeds

853
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: over to like the content, side because like it's now

854
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: it's like you gotta do like irl streaming to like

855
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: really resonate.

856
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: In the new era of.

857
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: Content but at what point in time is it like

858
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: too much to like live your life for like. Strangers

859
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: it's already too. Much it's way too, much. Bro it's like,

860
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: okay sorry With, instagram but it's like now you actually

861
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: have to have like a dude running around with you

862
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 1: with a backpack on fucking streaming you the whole fucking.

863
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: Time, yeah and now you're living your life for moments

864
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 2: that will get.

865
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: Clipped, wow there are people at home depressed watching you

866
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 1: live your life in real.

867
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 2: Time, yeah it's so. Crazy real life is becoming novelty

868
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: and it's just becoming like a commodity to be sold

869
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: instead of to be lived and it's becoming so. Normalized,

870
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: man just depresses the shit out of. Me AND i

871
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 2: Don't i'm. Older you think about it too, much it'll

872
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 2: fuck with, you. Bro i'm old enough to remember how

873
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: the air smelled before fucking social, media before when you

874
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: would just walk across the block and your peoples was just,

875
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 2: outside or they was at the park and you stopped

876
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 2: in to see if they were. There you didn't know

877
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: because it wasn't fucking posted. Everywhere there wasn't a group,

878
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: chat and it was, like oh, man and you were

879
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 2: present for a few, hours or you played, ball or

880
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: you did whatever you. Did and also you had an

881
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: aspiration to achieve things inside of your, community make people

882
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: in your community proud and build those, bonds as opposed

883
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: to going online every day and seeing all the things

884
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: you're not, doing all the things that people have every

885
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: bit you're not fucking you know What i'm saying metaphorically and,

886
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 2: Literally and it's just like you, Know SO i don't

887
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: want to be trite about the shit or be like sounding,

888
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 2: mad unk or old or, whatever BUT i JUST i just,

889
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: think like we have it's reached a point, where like you,

890
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: said the people that control capital and that are in

891
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: power are incentivized to keep, marginalizing you, know people to

892
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: more and more poverty and dependence on shit that they.

893
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: Control and if we don't draw some lines in the

894
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: sand and, actively you, know fight against these, things it

895
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: can't just be, like, well this is just how it is,

896
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: now you, know this is just what's. Next it's, like

897
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 2: well you Gotta.

898
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: Yeah that's why that's WHY i fuck with The zoron Bro,

899
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: man Because i'm, like if this ship works In New,

900
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: york you, KNOW i.

901
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: Hope somebody Like Ao seeker run for.

902
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: President AND i don't even know if she's the, person

903
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: BUT i, MEAN i, mean you, know BUT i don't

904
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: know who The zoron because unfortunately he was born In,

905
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: uganda so he can't be.

906
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: President. Mother that's.

907
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: CRAZY i, know it sucks Because i'm, like he'll, cook but,

908
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: YEAH i JUST i mean not to say that, anybody

909
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: like you can't blame who the president is for any

910
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: one thing too.

911
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 2: Much you, know you gotta have some self.

912
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: Accountability but it just feels like the world is like

913
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: and then like we're in this dystopian place where like

914
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: there's just so much fucked up shit going on at

915
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: once that like the outrage about like what's happening In

916
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: gaza And lebanon and Like, congo like it kind of

917
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: comes and, goes, yeah the wow shit.

918
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 2: Comes, Well SO i was that's something that was hard

919
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: for me. Too SO i, like when, uh the stuff

920
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: In gaza was really prominent, online you, know like and

921
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: it's still.

922
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: Happening, yeah but but but all of the, algorithms algorithms

923
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: have been fixed, exactly so TikTok has been, acquired, Right

924
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: and so in the very beginning of, that you, know

925
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: after the attack and every AND i was deep in

926
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: a mode of Like i'm working on my project And

927
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: i'm away from kind of away from social media right.

928
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: Now AND i was also in a places like you,

929
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 2: Said i've done a lot of political work throughout my.

930
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: Career people know WHERE i stand on certain. Things BUT

931
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: i also realized like this idea of the, ACCOUNTABILITY i

932
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 2: did a lot of thinking, about like what's the accountability

933
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 2: of me the artists to be like posting the what

934
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: is performative versus actually contributing who is it? For asking

935
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 2: myself a lot IF i had an urge to post

936
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: something like who's this? For is it? For is it for?

937
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: Me is it for? You do you? Like because everyone's

938
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: not even gonna see what you post. Anyway you, know

939
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: like you couldn't check the box for. Everybody and if

940
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: you're doing it to check a, box then who are

941
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 2: you doing it? For you're doing it for, yourself.

942
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: Right and then thinking about a lot of, people like

943
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: the structures of. Power you know a lot of people

944
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: making a lot of noise online about certain things going.

945
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: On and when you follow the money of who these

946
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: people are work for hire signed to as corporations and

947
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: you follow the, MONEY i mean this is WHERE i

948
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,640
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949
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,160
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950
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951
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952
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953
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954
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955
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956
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957
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958
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959
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961
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962
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963
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964
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965
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,440
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966
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967
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: so like you, know so, no it's kind of crazy

968
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: the last three, years like the veil has been pulled

969
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: back about how shit really. Operates and the problem is

970
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: like it's never gonna get like an UNSEEN i guess.

971
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah but at the same, time it's, like at what

972
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 1: point in time do people like like you said, earlier

973
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: like it just.

974
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: Is the way it. Is they just accept it and they're,

975
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: like this is just how it. Is, well so that's the.

976
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: THING i wrestled a lot with it during that time

977
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: and just thinking about like HOW i move and operate

978
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 2: from a place of, integrity AND i think it's, like,

979
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: YEAH i have to represent things and speak on things,

980
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: thematically like in my WORK i think it comes down,

981
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 2: to like what DO i represent in my? Work because

982
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 2: people can say all this stuff and post a bunch

983
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: and do, Whatever but what makes it not performative is

984
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 2: how you live in your day to day and who

985
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 2: you know work. For AND i think you know it's a.

986
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: Lot it's actually pretty easy now to make a post

987
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 2: in support of something or against. Something it's really hard

988
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: to like stand in the truth in how you make

989
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 2: your money in this world and how you show up

990
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 2: every day to that job where maybe you don't love

991
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 2: who you work, for but you're going to control what

992
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: you can control and try to operate from. Integrity you're

993
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: going to try to contribute some of your ethos and

994
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: principles into what you're. Doing you're gonna say no to

995
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: a job that pays a little more money to take

996
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 2: a job that you feel like contributes to the. World

997
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: like that's really hard to, do, Actually and SO i,

998
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: realize like it doesn't mean that you got to go

999
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: make six songs like about, this, that and, that or

1000
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 2: your whole life has to become one big giant post

1001
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: about everything that's going wrong so you can show people

1002
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: what you. Think but LIKE i had this conversation with,

1003
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: myself AND i was, like you got to hold yourself.

1004
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 2: Accountable how do you operate in the space that you find.

1005
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: Yourself you're a, rapper you make, music you're an. Artist you, know,

1006
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: like do you feel like the way you operate inter

1007
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: personally with people and the way you operate with big

1008
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: money with respect to the big money and the powers

1009
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: that be in your, industry do you feel like you

1010
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: operate in integrity with regard to those? Things AND i

1011
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: ask myself those questions every day and some DAYS i

1012
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: don't love the, answers and that shit. Hurts but that

1013
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 2: is the work of like what it means to try

1014
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: to have, integrity and that is a lot harder than

1015
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: getting online and like posting about some shit Over. YEAH

1016
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: i think when.

1017
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: There's like a certain level of artists where you know,

1018
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: it it might cost them opportunities to speak, Out, yeah

1019
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: and they don't because they're worried about the bottom. Line,

1020
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: yeah which is why LIKE i fuck with The, Weekend

1021
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: and you, know there's there's certain artists that like are

1022
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: very like they put, like you, KNOW i think The

1023
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: weekend has donated millions of dollars to what's going on

1024
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: in gaza to help and displace families And. Gayza now

1025
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: obviously who knows where the fuck that money, goes because

1026
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: that whole charity ecosystem is its own level of.

1027
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: Corruption but, yeah.

1028
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: But you, KNOW i THINK i just think it's interesting

1029
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: because you'll see artists who should be saying something right

1030
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: not say anything. Right and it's literally because they're worried

1031
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: about their.

1032
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 2: Pockets, no it's, gross, man and it's it's. Nasty and

1033
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 2: we see this shit across culture and it's like we

1034
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: also have to stop doing the thing of like when

1035
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: we talk about these people that have certain people that

1036
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: have so much, money, celebrities, right so much, money and we're, like,

1037
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: man they're risking losing. Opportunities it's, like so what are they?

1038
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: Risking like they might make ten million this year instead

1039
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 2: of twenty because there's a there's a there's a, person

1040
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: there's a woman who's like speaking out at a school

1041
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: board meeting who might lose might lose her, livelihood who

1042
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 2: might lose her, livelihood who might ostracize herself in her

1043
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 2: community and create make shit weird for her, kids who

1044
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: might do all this. Shit and Then i'm supposed to

1045
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: clap for some like corporate juggernaut motherfucker disguised as an

1046
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: artist who's, like, OH i might not get to go

1047
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 2: work the Like Wells fargo benefit In dubai or whatever

1048
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: the fuck these motherfuckers do for their extra bag on the.

1049
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 2: Weekend you know What i'm, Saying fuck that, shit, Bro

1050
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: like this the bar is so, low like And i'm

1051
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 2: Just i'm Just i'm just over. That, like have you

1052
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 2: listened To? ICEMAN i have. Not it's not. Bad i've.

1053
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: Listened i've been known to be A drake hater in my.

1054
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: Life Did drake bots have me on their? BLACKLIST i

1055
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: don't hate. It it's not.

1056
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 2: BAD i think it's the.

1057
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: BEST i think it's the best bars he's EVER i think,

1058
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: lyrically it's the sharpest he's ever.

1059
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: Been here's the, THING keV come to you here feeling

1060
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 2: like a real, rapper Like i'm somebody LIKE i feel

1061
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: like with this, ALBUM i feel like it's at a

1062
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 2: certain level regardless of where my stature is in the,

1063
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,919
Speaker 2: game and so being at that level THAT i feel

1064
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 2: Like i'm. At you're not gonna get me to talk

1065
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 2: About drake like a fan Because i'm not gonna get in.

1066
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: Trouble IT'S i just wondered because you're you're a STELLAR

1067
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: mc AND i Thought.

1068
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: DRAKE i Thought drake was getting his. SHIT i was very.

1069
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: Not i'm JUST i JUST i HAVEN'T i haven't heard.

1070
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 2: It but that is an interesting. Point you. Know it's

1071
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: like that in this podcast, generation, Right it's Like i'll

1072
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 2: see guys talking about like and obviously like, Bro, like

1073
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: no one's gonna confuse me for being on the Level

1074
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 2: Drake hendre that these are goats that obviously we talked,

1075
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: about but it is something to think. ABOUT i don't

1076
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: know if you ever think about, that like with respect to,

1077
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 2: artists BECAUSE i think about it AND i Want i've

1078
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 2: never talked to any of my rapper friends about, this

1079
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: but it's LIKE i do be feeling like that sometimes

1080
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 2: Because i'm, Like i'm not going to talk about this man's.

1081
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 2: Album like it's like a it's like asking Like Jalen

1082
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 2: brunson to like critique Uh sja's game or.

1083
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: Something, WELL i think it'd be like, this right if

1084
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: there's a press conference tonight after The Knicks caves. Game, yeah,

1085
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: okay right, now the biggest topic in hip hop is Ice. Man,

1086
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: yeah there's someone's gonna Ask Jalen brunson what he thought

1087
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: Of wenby shot last? Night did you See wenby hit

1088
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: that three last? Night it's gonna come up somebody on

1089
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: The knicks Or caves is going to get that ask

1090
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,919
Speaker 1: that question because it's the story of.

1091
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 2: The, yeah but it's, like but but What jayalen brun

1092
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 2: is not gonna? SAY i thought it? WAS i thought it,

1093
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: sucked like you know WHAT i, Mean, like let's, see, like,

1094
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: NO i, yeah, no for.

1095
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: SURE i MEAN I i don't think The drake album.

1096
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: Sucks SO i wasn't trying to bait you to say it.

1097
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: Sucks, No i'm not saying that at. All i'm only

1098
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 2: only like being this meta because you're my Man's BUT, i,

1099
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: LIKE i do think it's just Something i've never. Articulated

1100
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:50,919
Speaker 2: LIKE i think about that all the. Time where it's

1101
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: like BECAUSE i see a lot of rappers because everything

1102
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 2: is like talk, media, dude it's, crazy like everyone's got a,

1103
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: show so everyone's like you're talking about somebody else's out

1104
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 2: them that's like kind of your peer in contemporary and

1105
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: it's like even if you, write it's like there are

1106
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 2: PEOPLE i see in the fabric of this people THAT

1107
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 2: i really respect as like cultural or musical journalists or

1108
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: ambassadors of culture whose job it is to like critique the. Work.

1109
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah now it's now they've signed up for that position

1110
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 2: in the. Country my job is to make the. Work

1111
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 2: LIKE i don't you don't have a, PODCAST i don't

1112
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: want to critique the.

1113
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: Work, yeah like because because you, know, no it's, like,

1114
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: uh Like joe And. Jada, now, yeah while THEY'RE i

1115
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: mean in the trenches is artists Still, yeah they also

1116
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 1: have one of the most prolific podcasts Out, yeah so.

1117
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 2: They're going to tell people what they think about. Music

1118
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 2: it's kind of what yeh comes with, it you. Know,

1119
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 2: yeah but they're, old they're they're they're. Older well they're

1120
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 2: just they're. Older they're like, established so they talk they're, like,

1121
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: yeah they talk about younger people's. WORK i would, like you,

1122
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 2: know feel more comfortable with. THAT i don't, Know i'm just.

1123
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: By the, way the funniest SHOW i don't know if

1124
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: you if you haven't seen The joe And Jada, show

1125
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: they just did an episode With Bill Bill burr that

1126
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: is one of the funniest fucking episodes of podcasting EVER i.

1127
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: Saw was one of the most ridiculously hilarious motherfuckers of all.

1128
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: Time, Yeah fajo reminds me of like Every Puerto rican

1129
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 2: og THAT i knew growing up In New york that

1130
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 2: would just like tell us stories on the block and

1131
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 2: we're just like all, years you, know and it's like mad.

1132
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: Entertaining so, yeah he's. Incredible do you still hoop like

1133
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 2: in your free? Time i'm trying to get it. Back

1134
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: i'm trying to get it. Back we might, hoop we

1135
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: might hoop on him out. HERE i just hooped for

1136
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 2: the first time AND i got super album mode AND

1137
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 2: i didn't hoop for eight. Months THEN i ran like

1138
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 2: seven folds like a week or two, ago AND i was, like,

1139
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: YO i gotta get, back. Dude it's the best free.

1140
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: Cart LIKE i feel like if you like, basketball, yeah

1141
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: you like you look Like i've you burned these. Calories

1142
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 1: you didn't eve realize you burned fucking twelve hundred. Calories it's the, best,

1143
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: Bro but there's nothing like. It like getting back in.

1144
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: Shape for it is tough because for, Sure i've been

1145
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: running a little. Bit jogging is nothing like. Hooper like

1146
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: when you, hoop it's just like. Muscles you haven't worked in.

1147
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: Forever and it's a lot of like you, know maximum

1148
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: effort plays and stuff where you're just like the next

1149
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: DAY i, WAS i was hung over for like three

1150
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 2: days off of that. Game But i'm getting back to it.

1151
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: Now i'm definitely getting back to. It I'm i'm committed

1152
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: to BECAUSE i only got so many more more years

1153
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 2: left to be? Good are you or would you ever

1154
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: rather consider Leaving New York? City? Relocating me and my

1155
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 2: me and my lady talk about this a. LOT i,

1156
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 2: MEAN i want to experiment with living somewhere else for

1157
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 2: a longer period of. Time, yeah maybe for a, summer

1158
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 2: for a, summer you know WHAT i, Mean or for

1159
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 2: for for a winter to escape the cold Of oh,

1160
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 2: yeah for, sure the winters when you got to do.

1161
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 2: IT i talk about that a, lot LIKE i can't

1162
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: do These New york winners no. More lord that this

1163
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 2: last winter was fucking. Crazy but it's just like it's

1164
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 2: just hard when like it's just, home you know WHAT i.

1165
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 2: Mean it's hard for me to, imagine But i'm. Open

1166
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: i'm trying to be more open to, things and DEFINITELY

1167
00:54:58,600 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 2: i WOULD i want to spend some. TIME i want

1168
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,439
Speaker 2: wanna spend some like real time In. EUROPE i would

1169
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 2: like to spend like some some actual time.

1170
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: Somewhere are you gonna bring the residency thing back at

1171
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: all or?

1172
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 2: What? Sir, Yeah so we're About we're about to announce

1173
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: these summer dates for The New york for The Live banded,

1174
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 2: residency and we're also about to announce we're bringing the

1175
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 2: band to a couple other cities. Too so we're gonna

1176
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 2: announce that at the top Of. June just locking everything and,

1177
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 2: now well, listen the album is. Out are vinyls out? Yet?

1178
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 2: Yeah the vinyl sold out online with. Quickness But we're

1179
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: gonna restock that ship And i'm gonna pop out actually

1180
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: tonight IN la and just give some whoever shows. Up

1181
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 2: i'm a. SAW i got a couple more.

1182
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: Left so are you doing the tape? THING a lot

1183
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: of people have tapes, now you could get like the

1184
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: vintage you. KNOW i feel like people are making their

1185
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: albums like on. Cassette oh, yeah, yeah the cassettes on

1186
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: the way we got, CDs i. DO i think it's

1187
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: crazy as the analog, MAN i think because of how

1188
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: cooked we are in, society you, know moving towards Like

1189
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: wally becoming like a real thing there is like a real.

1190
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: SURGENTS i feel like that the analog shit's going to

1191
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: MAKE i. AGREE i mean it's gonna be like, VINTAGE i,

1192
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: hope so like iPods right.

1193
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 2: Now by the, way it's crazy That iPod's vintage is still.

1194
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: Digital, yeah but, bro those like giant iPods that we

1195
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: used to, Have, yeah the bitches are reselling for like

1196
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 1: four hundred.

1197
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 2: Dollars that's what the kids. WANT i remember my man

1198
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,959
Speaker 2: almost got robbed for his iPods shuffle. Recently, no, no

1199
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 2: this was, like oh.

1200
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah but back in the, day that little iPod shuffle

1201
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: was the Motherfucking.

1202
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 2: YEAH i had a hundred songs on it and you

1203
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 2: and it had no screen so it was all a

1204
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 2: little white a little white bar so you just like

1205
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 2: it just, shuffled that was all it. Did but he

1206
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 2: got pressed for that. Shit.

1207
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: YEAH i feel, like, man people ARE i feel like

1208
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: CDs like CDs people want to buy. Again and it's

1209
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: weird to like talk to like my son's twenty and

1210
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: my other son's, twelve but it's like That i'd just

1211
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: be forgetting they have the absolutely zero concept of like physical. Media, yeah, yeah,

1212
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: yeah my kid my son has like you, know we

1213
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,479
Speaker 1: grew up with like blue Blue bluetooth and blue Rays.

1214
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 2: Bluetooth the fuck.

1215
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah but it's like there's a whole generation they're gonna

1216
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: go back and they be, like wait a, minute you

1217
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: could own something and hold.

1218
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 2: It i'm really into vinyl right, now you, know like

1219
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 2: the biggest it's ever.

1220
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: Been.

1221
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 2: It LIKE i go to the two dollars bins AND

1222
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 2: i discover Because i'm really into like all this like

1223
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: old soul and all this shit That i've dug deeper

1224
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 2: and deeper into from working with the musicians THAT i,

1225
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 2: Have and, Yeah i'm super into it now And i'm

1226
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 2: in my early. THIRTIES i, MEAN i THINK i had

1227
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 2: a theory That i'm almost like A i. SHOULD i

1228
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: feel like the danger of it is there could be

1229
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 2: someone that, says twenty years from, now, like oh, No

1230
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: i'm really into human. Music like that's a. Niche like

1231
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 2: that's a niche where it's like if you're kind of,

1232
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 2: indie you're, Like i'm into you, KNOW i like it

1233
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 2: when humans do the music and not the. Robot, Yeah

1234
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 2: i'm into human, Music like that's my. THING i think that's.

1235
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 2: Coming SO i think these, things BUT i feel like

1236
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 2: that just tripped me. Out, yeah that's gonna. Happen And

1237
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 2: i'll say. This you know we talked. Earlier you were

1238
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 2: like and so, No, yeah that's What i'm. Saying BUT

1239
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 2: i THINK i don't. KNOW i don't know if like

1240
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: me doing things the way THAT i just continue to do,

1241
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 2: them whether it pays out in the long. Run you,

1242
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 2: KNOW i talked about having that, belief BUT i do

1243
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: think there is a feeling THAT i have That i'm

1244
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 2: positioned well for if the shit goes left with THIS ai,

1245
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 2: SHIT i feel like there's enough people that respect and

1246
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 2: care about WHAT i do and the AUTHENTICITY i do

1247
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: it with that will be hungry for the antithesis of

1248
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 2: whatever the Bullshit like it's never it's not gonna replace.

1249
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: Me it's going to replace top forty or it's gonna replace.

1250
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 2: Whatever SO i feel pretty well positioned for that and

1251
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 2: feel like the people THAT i fuck will still allow

1252
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 2: me to make a. LIVING i, hope. Please you, Know

1253
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 2: i'm so tired and a. Flyers i'll be.

1254
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: Scrolling i'm, like come, on, man yeah, man it's, like

1255
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: did you have to dump your photo into CHED gpt

1256
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: with some fun say make like this is IT'S.

1257
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 2: I don't even really know that much Because i've never

1258
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 2: really engaged With have you used? Ai? Nah we made

1259
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 2: like a funny picture of my homie and chat gpt

1260
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 2: because we that's always. Fun we like crafted him into

1261
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 2: some fucked up ship that Oh i've done the same.

1262
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 2: Thing but other than, that like that's the only ship

1263
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 2: THAT i ever.

1264
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: DID i chat Gpt'ed Freddy gibbs holding two dicks by

1265
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: my birthday.

1266
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: Party we took a.

1267
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: Picture freddy's like. THIS i used rock for that. One that's,

1268
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: like what make this bald man hold? Dicks it should

1269
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: be for like like funny goof. Ship, yeah like you,

1270
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: know like or or? Not what it should be for

1271
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: is it should be for.

1272
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 2: Like curing the problems of climate change and disease and.

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Speaker 1: Right but it's adding to it because these data centers

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Speaker 1: are fucked up.

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Speaker 2: Man yeah yeah crazy but.

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Speaker 1: NOT i Just i've been using CHAT gpt for little

1277
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Speaker 1: shit like tracking my calories.

1278
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Speaker 2: And ship yeah yeah yeah, yeah or.

1279
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: Like you, Know i'll just ask you some random ass

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Speaker 1: ship like, yo find me the cheapest flat online to

1281
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Speaker 1: go from here to? Here give me like ten. Options.

1282
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 2: YEAH i haven't really dabbled with it, yet but mostly

1283
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 2: Because i'm just a creature, habit SO i just when

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Speaker 2: the sh it is new AND i don't know how

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Speaker 2: to use, It i'm just.

1286
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Speaker 1: Like, well, listen the album is, out, man go support. It,

1287
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Speaker 1: uh you're gonna be announcing the. Residence you're gonna be

1288
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: doing anything national tour.

1289
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 2: Wise we're gonna we're gonna start bringing the band to

1290
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 2: do some spot dates in places THAT i KNOW i

1291
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 2: can bring it because it's just HOW i really want

1292
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 2: to represent my. MUSIC i want to bring the residency

1293
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 2: experience to these other, places and it's really expensive to

1294
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 2: do like a proper. Tour they got a blue note In.

1295
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 2: La they got a Blue note In. La they got

1296
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Speaker 2: a bunch Of so you know we're gonna Be we're

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Speaker 2: gonna be back In. La we did three nights At

1298
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Speaker 2: Gold diggers with the band not too long. Ago we're

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Speaker 2: gonna come back TO la for. Sure we're gonna hit The,

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Speaker 2: West so bear with me for. Now you, know it's

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Speaker 2: like if you build, it they will. Come like you,

1302
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Speaker 2: know hopefully people will travel to these cities where we're

1303
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 2: getting it. Started what is your biggest market outside Of New?

1304
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: York Probably? London shout out TO. Uk, yeah you're gonna

1305
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: go over. There, yeah we're working on. It the flights

1306
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Speaker 1: is crazy for the. BANK i want to bring my. Band, yeah,

1307
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: YO uk, vibe, man BUT i feel like it's so

1308
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: expensive right now to get.

1309
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Speaker 2: Anywhere dogs fucking fuels cracking. Right, yeah that's the. Thing

1310
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 2: it's the. Fuel, like Because i've Been i've been there

1311
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 2: twice and those shows were, LIKE i was really, like.

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01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: Damn i'm a, Rapper Like i'm a Fucking i'm a.

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Speaker 1: Professional people know, me like they singing the. Words, yeah

1314
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: like it.

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Speaker 2: WAS i thought the first TIME i went, THERE i was,

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Speaker 2: LIKE i THINK i might be bigger here Than New.

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Speaker 2: York possibly that's how it. Felt but uh, yeah, NO

1318
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 2: i love mad love For london in THE. Uk London

1319
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 2: london is probably the biggest and then Like La chicago

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Speaker 2: and shit like.

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Speaker 1: That but we'll appreciate you pulling, up, Man go support

1322
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: the Album Marlon kraft always a, pleasure my, brother one

1323
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: of the best albums of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Six, Man thank, you, bro my. Dog appreciate. You. Man what?

1325
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