WEBVTT - How the World Trade Center Memorial Works

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff You Should Know

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<v Speaker 1>from House Stuff Works dot Com? Hey, and welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me as always is

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<v Speaker 1>Charles W. Chuckers Bryant, and that makes this a very

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<v Speaker 1>um congested episode of Stuff you Should Know, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we were just reminiscing about the uh, what was it

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<v Speaker 1>eight or nine? I don't remember, probably oh nine when

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<v Speaker 1>Josh was sick for a like I said, he was

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<v Speaker 1>sick for a season, and that's really not too far off. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but you mean recently pointed out that I wasn't sick

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<v Speaker 1>at all last year, and I don't think I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>not been sick for a year. So it has to

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<v Speaker 1>do probably with taking better care of myself, not smoking.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably I get the stomach thing. I don't usually get

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<v Speaker 1>regular sick. Yeah, you do get stomachs ye. Man. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not even like a bug. It's like a staff of

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<v Speaker 1>actual or a bowl of the stomach or something horrible

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<v Speaker 1>like that. It just gross. So I are you willing

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<v Speaker 1>to muddle through this one with me sounding like this?

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<v Speaker 1>I think people can forgive that we needed to get

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<v Speaker 1>this one out in time for the September eleventh anniversary. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the tenth anniversary of the September eleventh attacks, UM on

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<v Speaker 1>the World Trade Center. Uh, the attack Uh, well the

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<v Speaker 1>plane that went down Flight ninety three in Pennsylvania. Have

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<v Speaker 1>you seen that movie? Um? And then uh, the attack

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<v Speaker 1>on the Pentagon. UM. The tenth Anniversity is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a big sad, soul in occasion. You know, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like the last couple of years it's been you

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<v Speaker 1>know it September eleventh and this this is a time

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<v Speaker 1>to stop and reflect for a moment. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's all gonna come barreling back on the tenth anniversary. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think people have been anticipating that. And the opening

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<v Speaker 1>of the of the memorial, which we're gonna talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>has a lot to do with that, obviously it does.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna officially dedicated and opened on September eleventh, two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand eleven. Yeah, and then um, the museum, which we'll

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<v Speaker 1>also talk about, will be open the following year, I

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<v Speaker 1>think on September eleven, two twelve. And that thing sounds

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<v Speaker 1>pretty amazing. Yeah, I'm very excited about going to these. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe excited it's not the right word. No, I'm excited

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, there's nothing. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean you're flippant about it. No, I'm excited to

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<v Speaker 1>see them as well. That's okay, Okay, thanks. I get

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<v Speaker 1>excited every time I go to those things. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>good place for remembrance, Josh, Yes, that's Memorials make an

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<v Speaker 1>excellent spot for remembrance. Let's talk about the spot where

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<v Speaker 1>the memorial, the World Trade Center Memorial, which what which

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<v Speaker 1>is what we're talking about, is going to be situated

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<v Speaker 1>the original spot where the World Trade Center complex was situated.

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<v Speaker 1>Beginning work started in the sixties and was completed in

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<v Speaker 1>I think ninety three on the towers. I think work

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<v Speaker 1>for the whole World Trade Center complex wasn't completed until yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen years, fourteen years after the towers that were completed,

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<v Speaker 1>So it was like nineteen yeah something. Yeah, right, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>But tell me about the tell me about the spot,

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<v Speaker 1>the World Trade Center spot. It's a very um ambitious project.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Josh, seven buildings total um spanning sixteen acres.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of room and each tower itself, I

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<v Speaker 1>think had a footprint of an acre. Yeah right, yeah. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>They had office space to the tune of about uh

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<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand total workers in about thirty five thousand, and

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<v Speaker 1>those were split among four hundred and thirty companies in

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<v Speaker 1>the buildings. It was ten million square feet of office space.

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<v Speaker 1>It's incredible, it was. It was originally UM. Speaking of ambition,

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<v Speaker 1>I read an article called The Height of Ambition. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a two thousand to New York Times article and

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<v Speaker 1>it's required reading for anybody. It's really good. It's all

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<v Speaker 1>about the construction, it's about the attacks. It's a really comprehensive,

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<v Speaker 1>great article. But they were saying like that there was

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<v Speaker 1>no way they were going to go UM any less

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<v Speaker 1>than ten million square feet when they decided to there,

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<v Speaker 1>like that's it, We're doing ten million, and that's so

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<v Speaker 1>that's such an enormous amount of office space that other

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<v Speaker 1>real estate developers in the city were like, that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to like imbalance the market. That's so much, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>flood this place all at once. Yeah. I remember at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, uh, you know, in September eleven, thinking that

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<v Speaker 1>the death Hole was gonna be like ten people because

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<v Speaker 1>I knew how many people work there, and it would

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<v Speaker 1>have been had it had the buildings not stayed up

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<v Speaker 1>for um an hour or so, or had it been

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<v Speaker 1>an hour or so later, right once people were all

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<v Speaker 1>in there. Yeah, because you said there's about fifty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>people that worked at the World Trade Centers UM, and

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<v Speaker 1>then there's another maybe UM seventy thousand, forty thousand to

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<v Speaker 1>seventy thousand people who could muted through because there was

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<v Speaker 1>a subway station underneath in the path train station and

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<v Speaker 1>the mall, and people coming to have lunch with like

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<v Speaker 1>their husband or wife or whatever. So seventy thousand additional

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<v Speaker 1>people passed through that that complex every day. Indeed, Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>if we're talking size, we've got a couple of stats.

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<v Speaker 1>The North tower UM, the original World Trade Center one,

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<v Speaker 1>although there's a new one which we're gonna talk about, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>hundred sixty eight feet uh and then seventeen thirty feet

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<v Speaker 1>with its large antenna. And then the South tower was

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<v Speaker 1>about six ft shorter than the North tower, which I

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<v Speaker 1>thought found interesting. I wonder if that was a I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder why they did that. Maybe the bedrock was six

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<v Speaker 1>ft six ft lower, has to be something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it was I'm sure they got to

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<v Speaker 1>the final measurement and we're like, you have to be

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<v Speaker 1>kindding right, because they were both a hundred ten stories.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like w C t C two was short

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<v Speaker 1>changed the floor or a half floor. Two hundred eight

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<v Speaker 1>thousand one metric tons. Yeah, and one of them. It's

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<v Speaker 1>tough to find comparisons for this, but um, it's an

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<v Speaker 1>Afford Explorer. These each one weighed about equivalent to a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and seventy two thousand Ford Explorers. That's heavy. That's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a heavy building. And that's a lot of weight.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll we'll get to that weight. And what happened

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<v Speaker 1>to a lot of that weight coming up shortly to right?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So. One of the cool things that you found

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<v Speaker 1>was originally when they planned the towers, they didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of sway that a person could take. Let's say,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're working on story like this towers swaying back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth in the wind, what kind of that would

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<v Speaker 1>do to people? Yeah, no one had ever These were

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<v Speaker 1>when they were built, the tallest structures in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't just have office space up there that people

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<v Speaker 1>are getting sick on because they're dizzy, right, because no

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<v Speaker 1>one would rent it out. But they didn't know that

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<v Speaker 1>it um. They didn't know, well, maybe somebody could take

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<v Speaker 1>six ft of sway on either side. They had no idea,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe people can take like almost no sway. So they

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<v Speaker 1>had a guy in Eugene, Oregon who was a psychologist,

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<v Speaker 1>basically purchased an office building, put parts of it up

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<v Speaker 1>on Jack's and like test people. He had him come

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<v Speaker 1>in for I exams, but was really testing them to

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<v Speaker 1>see how much sway they could put up with him

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<v Speaker 1>found not much, like a couple of inches either way.

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<v Speaker 1>After a couple of minutes of that, the people start

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<v Speaker 1>freaking out, get dizzy, get nauseated. So they were like,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to do something because your building is going

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<v Speaker 1>to sway a lot more than this, that's right, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can't have your tenants getting sick. So they built

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<v Speaker 1>in shock absorbers that prevented this way. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>most people know by now just from breakdown of the

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<v Speaker 1>what happened with the collapse, that it was an exoskeleton

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<v Speaker 1>design and it was connected with a core steel core

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<v Speaker 1>connected it with a hat trust at the top. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so you had columns going out on the outside where

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<v Speaker 1>they normally would have been put inside, so that opened

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<v Speaker 1>up much more office space. So the columns are on

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<v Speaker 1>the outside, and there's a steel court in the center

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, and it was connected by a hat trust.

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<v Speaker 1>They just fit over the top and connected everything to

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<v Speaker 1>the center. So it just stabilized the whole thing and

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<v Speaker 1>it made it light but very strong. Right. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was about open air inside the building itself, which

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<v Speaker 1>has a lot to do with why it collapsed. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a police station port authority in New Jersey. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>New York and New Jersey had a police desk, they

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<v Speaker 1>had its own uh, they had their own zip code

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<v Speaker 1>and eight dedicated mail carriers. Yeah, I couldn't. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>it's still there. It has to be. The zip it

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<v Speaker 1>still has its own zip code, right, one O four eight. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I looked that up. Actually, I think they held onto

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<v Speaker 1>that zip code and to assign you know, the New

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<v Speaker 1>World traits in our complex that same zip code. If

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not mistaken, I would hope. So this is a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks ago. Yeah, but yeah, eight postal carriers

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<v Speaker 1>just for the WTC complex like they worked within. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's sixteen acres, but it's probably not as

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<v Speaker 1>big as your usual beat in New York. I would

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't think so. No, I think they call it beats.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just cops. I wouldn't it no copy, um chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Also these um, just to give another idea of scale, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there were each of the towers themselves. Just the towers

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<v Speaker 1>had elevators, each each one had um almost uh well,

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<v Speaker 1>almost twenty two thousand windows. And apparently you could have

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<v Speaker 1>built a sidewalk standard sidewalk I take it from New

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<v Speaker 1>York to Washington, d C. With just the concrete used

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<v Speaker 1>in just the towers. So these were massive, colossal structures,

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<v Speaker 1>just the towers. The whole complex itself was colossal, but

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<v Speaker 1>the tower, it's just the towers are enough to like

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<v Speaker 1>get the point across, you know. Well, and all you

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<v Speaker 1>ever really hear about still is usually the WTC one

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<v Speaker 1>and two. But all of the buildings were eventually raised

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<v Speaker 1>the whole complex, right, and um, we should also say that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, everybody kind of came on board. But in

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning there were very big detractors to the World

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<v Speaker 1>Trade Center projects, including those real estate developers who were like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is going to be a drain on the market.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the guys whose named Lawrence Ween, who

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<v Speaker 1>was an Empire State building co owner. Right, And he

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<v Speaker 1>took out a full page and the New York Times

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<v Speaker 1>that had a picture of one of the World Trade

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<v Speaker 1>Center towers with a plane flying into it to basically

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<v Speaker 1>suggest that this was a hazard to air traffic, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And it actually almost came true in one when an

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<v Speaker 1>Air Alina's flight just narrowly missed the North tower but

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<v Speaker 1>made off. Okay, it was safe, that's right. Yeah. Uh, however,

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<v Speaker 1>that was the first attack on the World Trade Center. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And Islamic Islamistic streamist group detonated about a thousand pounds

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<v Speaker 1>of explosives and a rented truck underneath the World Trade

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<v Speaker 1>Center and killed six people, injured thousands and they are included,

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<v Speaker 1>which I thought was a classy move in the World

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<v Speaker 1>Trades and a memorial years later. I never really considered that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I thought it was pretty nice thing to do

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<v Speaker 1>that That truck left half a football sized football field

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<v Speaker 1>sized crater and it apparently rocked the whole building. Like

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<v Speaker 1>you think, Well, six people died, It couldn't have been

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<v Speaker 1>that big. It was a huge blast. It was just

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<v Speaker 1>in the wrong place. But they were trying to take

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<v Speaker 1>the building down, you know, yeah, from below, so that UM.

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<v Speaker 1>Within a few days or weeks after UM, the February attach,

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<v Speaker 1>things were back to business as usual. Governor Andrew Cuomo

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<v Speaker 1>was the first to move back into the office building right,

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<v Speaker 1>and things were just like I said, business as usual

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<v Speaker 1>until the morning of September eleven, two thousand one came

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<v Speaker 1>on day a can having four blocks north of the

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<v Speaker 1>World Spathe Center. The second building that was hill by

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<v Speaker 1>the plane has just completely collapsed. The entire building has

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<v Speaker 1>just collapsed, as if the tunolition team set off. When

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<v Speaker 1>you see the old nilition to the Gold buildings down

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<v Speaker 1>on itself and it is not there anymore, it should be.

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<v Speaker 1>It collapsed, collapse. The whole building has collapsed. So that

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much speaks for itself. I think, where were you

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<v Speaker 1>that morning? I had just gotten back from New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually I was there for vacation and a Radiohead concert

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<v Speaker 1>and in New Jersey or actually it was Liberty State

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<v Speaker 1>Park and flew home on September like the seventh or something,

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<v Speaker 1>so I was in it. Actually I was living in

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<v Speaker 1>l A. But I flew back to Atlanta and then

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<v Speaker 1>got stuck in Atlanta because everything was grounded. So I

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<v Speaker 1>was in my friend Big John's where house and Big

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<v Speaker 1>country Boy, and he woke me up up here. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember it was like one of the towers has been hit,

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<v Speaker 1>and you just when I started watching CNN and figuring

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<v Speaker 1>out what was going on, like this is not an accident. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think both of us kind of came to the

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<v Speaker 1>conclusion pretty quick too. So I hung out in his

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<v Speaker 1>warehouse all day, only watched it on TV basically, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, and I have to say, like it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't sink in as hard um then as it did

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<v Speaker 1>when we were researching this for this podcast. Man, I

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<v Speaker 1>was watching just find finding that clip we just played.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched about like an hour of it does it Happened?

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<v Speaker 1>Coverage and it was just it really drew me in

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<v Speaker 1>and just depressed me like crazy. But like it got

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<v Speaker 1>through to me finally after ten years, like it's really

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<v Speaker 1>hit me how how huge this is. Yeah. I'd plowed

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<v Speaker 1>through a bunch of videos this week too and last week,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was you know, because I hadn't researched it

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time, after probably since like two thousand three,

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<v Speaker 1>than many years of not even really considering it much

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<v Speaker 1>and then all of a sudden it's all back on

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<v Speaker 1>and coming up this September, and I think this being

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<v Speaker 1>older too, especially for me being an older you know,

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<v Speaker 1>ten years older, and it's gotten through to me a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more like, yeah, God, how are you you were

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<v Speaker 1>in your early twenties, mid twenties. I was like, God,

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<v Speaker 1>that's crazy, Yeah something just a little kid, so chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>We mentioned, um, how there could have been tens of

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<v Speaker 1>thousands more people who could have died had the buildings

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<v Speaker 1>not stayed up. And there were a couple of big

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<v Speaker 1>questions after the collapse of the World Trade Center towers um.

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<v Speaker 1>Number one, why did they fall They didn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>fall um? And number two, why didn't they just fall

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<v Speaker 1>over immediately? And the answer to the second question is

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<v Speaker 1>that does nine that exoskeleton connected to a central steel

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<v Speaker 1>core by a hat trust could have kept that thing

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<v Speaker 1>up indefinitely. Well, the reason they fell was a fatal flaw. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Those steel columns that make up the exoskeleton tapered um

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<v Speaker 1>at the top because they had to support less weight,

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<v Speaker 1>making the whole structure lighter, requiring less steel. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>the planes when they flew into the higher floors. They

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<v Speaker 1>were flying into steel columns that were only as thin

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<v Speaker 1>as like a quarter inch across, so they just severed them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the problem is with the true fatal flow is the

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<v Speaker 1>heat from the fire though. Yeah, I read a big

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<v Speaker 1>article yesterday on this about this physicist Um basically explained

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<v Speaker 1>how they came down to sort of rebut the idiots

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<v Speaker 1>who say that it was a controlled demolition by the

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<v Speaker 1>US government and like steel can't get that hot and melting,

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah, And he explained the difference between heat

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<v Speaker 1>and temperature. And I wish I was smart enough to

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<v Speaker 1>relay that now, but I would just advise, just google,

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<v Speaker 1>like why did they collapse? And there's a really good

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<v Speaker 1>article on that. So it's one of the first hits.

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<v Speaker 1>For our purposes, we're gonna take it on face value

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<v Speaker 1>that the heat from the raging fires Um created uh

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<v Speaker 1>enough high enough temperature that the steel within a steel

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<v Speaker 1>melted and the weight distribution throughout the exoskeleton was even

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<v Speaker 1>further compromised until these things started going from what the

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<v Speaker 1>connection to the hat trust was snapped, and then that

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<v Speaker 1>was that there was no support any longer. So these

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<v Speaker 1>floors obviously could support the weight of the floors on

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<v Speaker 1>top of them. Because they had been up since nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three, they can support the static weight. When the

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<v Speaker 1>floors start collapsing on one another, it becomes moving heavier

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<v Speaker 1>weight and it's created a domino effect essentially. Right, it

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<v Speaker 1>just plowed right into the floors beneath and picked up

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<v Speaker 1>more and more steam as it went. Apparently the material

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<v Speaker 1>from the highest floors. By the time they reached the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>we're traveling about a hundred and twenty miles, and that

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<v Speaker 1>could have been even faster, according to that physicist, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said the fact that they fell straight down was

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<v Speaker 1>uh sensible and fortunate because they could have swayed and

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<v Speaker 1>toppled over, which you know stories falling to the left

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<v Speaker 1>or to the right is going to take out do

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more damage. Obviously. Well, the South tower did

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<v Speaker 1>do some damage. The North Tower came down almost completely

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<v Speaker 1>in its footprint, and it just compacted itself into this

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<v Speaker 1>dense acre size square of debris that went from street

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<v Speaker 1>level seventy underground to the bedrock and just filled its

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<v Speaker 1>own footprint almost completely. Um the the other towers UM

0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:59.399
<v Speaker 1>three and seven were completely trashed. UM Tower six was

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<v Speaker 1>still intact, but it had a huge chunk of the

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<v Speaker 1>North tower against it. UM, and that the one they

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<v Speaker 1>had to take out for those reasons, Like otherwise it

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<v Speaker 1>might have been okay. That one they actually did demolish.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Yeah, the whole site kind of just became

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<v Speaker 1>a loss. UM there I guess an estimated three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand tons of scrap metal were generated, most of it

0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:30.320
<v Speaker 1>sold the Indian China. UM, and there was a big hubbub.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know this, did you? Did you hear about

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<v Speaker 1>this when it happened. Um, the mafia diverted like two

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<v Speaker 1>fifty five tons of scrap metal to its own junkyards

0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:43.520
<v Speaker 1>for profit UM and got caught pretty quickly because the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI was on that case. But UM they after that,

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<v Speaker 1>there were I think a hundred thousand truckloads of debris

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<v Speaker 1>trucked out to UM uh the landfill in New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it's called Fresh Kill Landfill UM and UH

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<v Speaker 1>those all got police escorts after the FBI found out

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<v Speaker 1>the mafia was diverting scrap metal, right obviously, Yeah, that's

0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:13.480
<v Speaker 1>a good move. Uh. The cleanup was very quick. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember at the time thinking that it happened way quicker

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<v Speaker 1>than I thought it would. Well, yeah, they were. They

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<v Speaker 1>were like, this is gonna take a year, maybe two,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe three exactly. It took eight year or nine months. Yes,

0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:27.600
<v Speaker 1>it also came in under budget. Uh. They thought it

0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:30.359
<v Speaker 1>was gonna cost a couple of billion dollars and that

0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:34.520
<v Speaker 1>was clearly overinflated because it only costs six and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>million UH to clean up, which is a lot of money,

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<v Speaker 1>but nothing compared to to bill a lot less. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>They did get a little criticism because they thought they

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<v Speaker 1>kind of hurried the clean up a little too much.

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<v Speaker 1>Considering the potential toxic materials found at the site. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people thought, you know, maybe we should take

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<v Speaker 1>our time here, study this a little more, or see

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<v Speaker 1>what's what we have to deal with before we start

0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:05.320
<v Speaker 1>sending people down there. Well, one group called it the

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<v Speaker 1>most the worst toxic site in our history. Did he

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<v Speaker 1>mean Nation's history? I don't know. It's a good question.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be Nation, New York World, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a lot of toxic stuff um. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred thousand pounds of lead plus cadmium from the

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<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand pecs in the World Trade Center offices right, UM,

0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:33.960
<v Speaker 1>mercury from the fluorescent lights. There apparently about half a

0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:37.960
<v Speaker 1>million fluorescent tube lights that all had mercury in them

0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:43.080
<v Speaker 1>to work. UM. Have you heard of polycystic aromatic hydrocarbons?

0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:48.399
<v Speaker 1>They're apparently, um they caused laryngeal cancer, UM and a

0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:51.439
<v Speaker 1>couple of other cancers. And they come from partially burned

0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:58.800
<v Speaker 1>UM fossil fuels. What else chuck asbestos, lots of asbestos,

0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:03.680
<v Speaker 1>benzene um die ox in from oil and fuel. So

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<v Speaker 1>not the kind of stuff you want to be breathing in.

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<v Speaker 1>And people found you know, years afterward, we're getting sick,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the first responders getting sick and dying.

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<v Speaker 1>Even Yeah, the bass player from um TV on the

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<v Speaker 1>radio was the first responder, and he came down with

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<v Speaker 1>cancer and like in his late thirties or something and died,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. And within the last year. I didn't did

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<v Speaker 1>I know that he was a first responder as as

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<v Speaker 1>what what was his uh what kind of responder was?

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<v Speaker 1>You do know? I don't remember, but he was. He

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<v Speaker 1>was the first responder to the ground zero. So they've

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<v Speaker 1>there was a uh combined payout of six d and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five million dollars to some of the first responders

0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:47.040
<v Speaker 1>and cleanup workers after a lawsuit was filed, and that

0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:50.280
<v Speaker 1>was just that was. They came to that settlement within

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<v Speaker 1>the last year or two. Right, Yeah, they've been hammering

0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:56.960
<v Speaker 1>that out forever. Yeah. And then there was the Zadroga Bill,

0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:02.200
<v Speaker 1>which is massive. Seven point were billion dollars in compensation

0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:06.480
<v Speaker 1>for everything from like economic impact to health. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>a big well there's a big outcry because they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>include cancer. Yeah, they couldn't find a definite link. Um.

0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:17.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean this is one of those where I say,

0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:22.440
<v Speaker 1>throw it in there, like cover everything. Apparently that's not

0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:24.760
<v Speaker 1>the case. Well no, but it's left open so that

0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:28.160
<v Speaker 1>it can be amended to include cancer later, like if

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's like, here's your definitive right study on it that

0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:36.000
<v Speaker 1>shows the link. But apparently the link is enough for

0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:39.640
<v Speaker 1>people who are engaged in like personal litigation. Uh, they've

0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:43.199
<v Speaker 1>been generally successful and just doing New York. Okay, just

0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:45.399
<v Speaker 1>not a class action kind of thing. Well just not

0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:48.960
<v Speaker 1>there's a Droga bill, got you, yeah, Okay, Well, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>No one died during the cleanup of the Ground zero,

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<v Speaker 1>which is pretty amazing considering what a dangerous place. It was.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there were like huge voids that were covered up,

0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:02.400
<v Speaker 1>you know by things that uh you know, big gaps

0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:06.119
<v Speaker 1>and holes that you could easily fall into. Yeah, like

0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:08.760
<v Speaker 1>you know those tiger traps. Yeah, where it's just kind

0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:10.600
<v Speaker 1>of covered with a little bit of twigs or leaves.

0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:14.080
<v Speaker 1>There were like seventy ft drops that looked like they

0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:17.080
<v Speaker 1>were stable, solid rubble or whatever. But yeah, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of a huge earth mover like sliding down with

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<v Speaker 1>a guy and it's like, oh my god. Yeah, I'm

0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:25.680
<v Speaker 1>really surprised no one died during that clean up. Yeah,

0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:32.240
<v Speaker 1>sixty men died building the thing. Wow, that was the seventies. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>So that brings us Josh to ten years later. Yea,

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<v Speaker 1>the nine eleven Memorial and Museum, which we both said

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<v Speaker 1>we're excited to go see because it's a pretty amazing design.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, they hit all the right notes, and a

0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:49.760
<v Speaker 1>lot of people have complained about the actual building, The

0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:53.920
<v Speaker 1>New World Trade Center one has been beaten up pretty

0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:55.679
<v Speaker 1>badly in the press. A lot of people think they

0:23:55.680 --> 0:23:59.960
<v Speaker 1>should have just mimicked the original twin towers, except maybe

0:24:00.000 --> 0:24:02.720
<v Speaker 1>a little higher, as like a show of our strength

0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:08.359
<v Speaker 1>as Americans, right, with the giant birden exactly with Donald

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:11.480
<v Speaker 1>Trump on top looking the bird. But Trump was one

0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:14.320
<v Speaker 1>of the ones actually who hates the new uh w

0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:18.520
<v Speaker 1>TC one and it is uh well, originally it was

0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:22.879
<v Speaker 1>called the Freedom Tower. Could not smack of the Bush

0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:25.680
<v Speaker 1>era more. Yeah, they changed that that or um world

0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:28.560
<v Speaker 1>War two when we started calling French fries freedom fries.

0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Was that World War two? And that came about again

0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:36.200
<v Speaker 1>after this. Yeah. And then also um sauerkraut was called

0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:42.440
<v Speaker 1>liberty cabbage. That's just crazy jingoistic, you know. Yeah. Uh So,

0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:44.680
<v Speaker 1>like I said, Trump is is not a big fan

0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:48.000
<v Speaker 1>of the design. He or the architect who designed w

0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:51.800
<v Speaker 1>TC one, the new one. What's his name, Daniel um Oh,

0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:55.920
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Lipskin? Is that him? He's been much battered. Yeah,

0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:57.520
<v Speaker 1>I kind of feel bad for the guy, you know,

0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:00.280
<v Speaker 1>he's trying to trying to do a good job. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure it is going to be the tallest building in

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<v Speaker 1>the US after it's completed, at a symbolic height of

0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:12.120
<v Speaker 1>seven hundred and seventy six ft sev Seventeen seventy six,

0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:18.640
<v Speaker 1>obviously for the you know, USA all the way, seventeen

0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:23.440
<v Speaker 1>seventy six, very important day in our history and all

0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:27.760
<v Speaker 1>the buildings are going to be done between six and

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<v Speaker 1>uh w TC. One is right now at the eight floor,

0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 1>which is they're they're close to done. How many floors

0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:42.840
<v Speaker 1>is it going to be? UM? I think well, part

0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:46.359
<v Speaker 1>of what people are complaining about is the top third

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:50.600
<v Speaker 1>of this building is just hollow space, so a lot

0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:52.720
<v Speaker 1>of people complained about that. So I don't know how

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:55.919
<v Speaker 1>many actual floors. It may be pretty close then if

0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:59.440
<v Speaker 1>they're the eightieth floor now, and I think they've concrete

0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:01.920
<v Speaker 1>it up to this of any second floor, glassed it

0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:05.720
<v Speaker 1>up to the fifty three and then seven. World Trade

0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Center was UM opened in two thousand six. That's already there.

0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:18.159
<v Speaker 1>But the one that's that's being dedicated UM well in

0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:20.240
<v Speaker 1>a few days by the time this thing comes out

0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:23.199
<v Speaker 1>is the World Trade Center Memorial. Right, There's been a

0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:26.600
<v Speaker 1>couple of other memorials, like the Sphere, which is Fritz

0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Koenig Um sculpture that was just iconically associated with UM.

0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:34.159
<v Speaker 1>The World Trade Center was found in the rubble. It

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:36.439
<v Speaker 1>basically dusted off and put in Battery Park with an

0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:39.400
<v Speaker 1>eternal flight, and then there was tribute and lights which

0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:41.440
<v Speaker 1>are the two beams and anybody who's ever seen Spike

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Lee's twenty is familiar with those UM and those are

0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:48.239
<v Speaker 1>brought out every year. That's really cool looking. It is

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:51.720
<v Speaker 1>very cool. It's like UM forty four. Each tower is

0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:56.920
<v Speaker 1>made up of forty four UM xenon searchlights focused into

0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:59.760
<v Speaker 1>a single column that just shoots right up into space.

0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Know if they're gonna do that still, Yeah, I wondered too,

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:05.679
<v Speaker 1>they should do that every year. I agree, just for

0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:07.640
<v Speaker 1>that one day, you know, Yeah, I think it'd be cool,

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:10.600
<v Speaker 1>but they, you know, to get a more permanent exhibit.

0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:13.879
<v Speaker 1>UM design competition was held in two thousand three by

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:18.320
<v Speaker 1>the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, Right, and uh, it was international,

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:21.200
<v Speaker 1>so people from all over the world submitted design. It's

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:23.960
<v Speaker 1>like a ton of them, Yes, sixty three countries in total,

0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:28.680
<v Speaker 1>five thousand, two hundred one submissions. And the guy who

0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:34.120
<v Speaker 1>won for the memorial went to Tech Georgia. Tech's Yeah,

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:37.240
<v Speaker 1>and he was working as a New York City Housing

0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Authority architect until he won. And then I imagine he's

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:44.679
<v Speaker 1>making a little bit more money now at Handel Architects

0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:47.240
<v Speaker 1>as a partner. Yeah. His name is Michael Aharin. That's

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:49.359
<v Speaker 1>how to get a job a partnership pretty quick in

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:51.239
<v Speaker 1>as an architect. I think that's how to make your

0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:53.399
<v Speaker 1>career look at like Maa Lynn, Yeah, who did the

0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Vietnam Memaria was the first thing she ever did? Is

0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:59.119
<v Speaker 1>a yeah, well, I think, yeah, yeah, have you ever

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:02.119
<v Speaker 1>seen the documentary her very neat how'd she come up

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:05.439
<v Speaker 1>with the idea? She talks all about it, like the

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:08.000
<v Speaker 1>first third of the documentaries about that and like what

0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:10.760
<v Speaker 1>she went through, Um, like there's a big problem that

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:14.359
<v Speaker 1>she was Asian, you know, um that kind of thing. Um,

0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:17.679
<v Speaker 1>but I don't remember. I don't remember if it just

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 1>came to her what, But she talks about it. I mean,

0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:24.560
<v Speaker 1>that was perfect and its simplicity totally is perfect. But

0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 1>it was very much taken the wrong way, as I

0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 1>think there's always a group of people who take a

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 1>memorial the wrong way. Although and I think Michael Air

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:34.680
<v Speaker 1>has been criticized, but I don't think anybody's like this

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 1>is a smack in the face to the people who died,

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:41.440
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I think it sounds pretty amazing. Tell them

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:45.479
<v Speaker 1>about it. Well, the centerpiece, it's gonna um the memorial itself.

0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 1>There's a museum underneath underground, which we'll get to but

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:53.520
<v Speaker 1>the Memorial Plaza is about eight acres of what will

0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 1>be forest land UM with the two original footprints of

0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:04.480
<v Speaker 1>the World Trade Center towers are now intact as fountains waterfalls, Yeah,

0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:08.520
<v Speaker 1>the world's largest waterfalls. Two thousand gallons of water I

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:12.479
<v Speaker 1>think per minute flow through these things. And they're these huge, massive,

0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:16.680
<v Speaker 1>almost acre sized squares, like you said, that just fill

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:19.240
<v Speaker 1>in the footprints of the of the World Trade Centers

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:22.520
<v Speaker 1>UM and they're just amazing the thing there. We can't

0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:25.240
<v Speaker 1>really describe them any better than that because they're that simple.

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 1>But unless you see a rendering of them or there's

0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:32.080
<v Speaker 1>some really cool architectural animations of them too, um, they're

0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 1>just they just take your breath away. And they're The

0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 1>memorial um that Air designed is called reflecting absence UM,

0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 1>and the whole point is to just kind of show

0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:46.160
<v Speaker 1>we're missing something here and we're always going to be

0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 1>missing something here. Yeah, that's why I thought it was

0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 1>such a brilliant design. It was not some I don't know,

0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 1>it just made sense. You know, why build something up

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 1>when you can say so much more by creating these

0:29:57.400 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 1>two big voids and then the water flowing. It's all

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 1>very symbolic, you know, the recirculating water and living, you know,

0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 1>breathing life into the city. And the trees or like

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:11.640
<v Speaker 1>sweet gums and oaks. White oaks, yes, swamp white oaks

0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 1>are there's gonna be like four hundred of them on

0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:17.480
<v Speaker 1>the plaza. And the plaza was designed by UM Peter

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Walker and partners from Berkeley UM in conjunction with Michael Ahard.

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:24.040
<v Speaker 1>I think that was the submission where these two people

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 1>jointly coming up with this plan and he was like,

0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:29.720
<v Speaker 1>I am the landscape architect, I need some help, yeah,

0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:33.200
<v Speaker 1>or vice versa, you know. Um, but Peter Walker came

0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:36.040
<v Speaker 1>up with this idea to you suspended paving systems to

0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>support the white oaks, because um, an urban an urban

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 1>tree or a tree in urban forest like this, they

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 1>don't live that long. Um. But and the reason why

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:48.680
<v Speaker 1>is because the soil becomes too compact and you have

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:51.440
<v Speaker 1>to have paving for people to walk around on. So

0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:53.800
<v Speaker 1>what they came up with was a suspended paving system

0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:57.480
<v Speaker 1>which uses like columns and beams like a grid to

0:30:57.640 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 1>create this hollow space that will support pavement but will

0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 1>also allow routes to go through. So these trees, these

0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:08.160
<v Speaker 1>swamp white oaks should thrive and live like many many

0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:11.680
<v Speaker 1>decades longer than ones that you know, were just planted

0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 1>wherever along the street. That's right, and they could potentially

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 1>get up to about sixty ft tall, kind of creating

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:21.480
<v Speaker 1>a canopy park. So that was one of the things

0:31:21.480 --> 0:31:23.920
<v Speaker 1>they wanted, was was a quiet place, sort of a

0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:26.400
<v Speaker 1>retreat from the city where you feel like you're sort

0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:29.440
<v Speaker 1>of insulated from from the rest of the city and

0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 1>the noises of the city and the swamp white oaks also,

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Chuck are gonna be brought in UM from all over

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>the area of New York, but also from places around

0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 1>UM where Flight ninety three went down in Pennsylvania and

0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:46.040
<v Speaker 1>in the DC area that you're gonna have trees from

0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:49.680
<v Speaker 1>other nine eleven impacted areas brought I thought that was cool. Yeah,

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 1>I read an article on the family who's UM supplied

0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 1>the trees basically for the project. Yeah, it was pretty cool.

0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:01.520
<v Speaker 1>And then also around the reflect thing Absence memorial, they're

0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 1>going to have UM basically a bronze wall with the

0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 1>names of all nearly three thousand victims of the and

0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:12.760
<v Speaker 1>two thousand one attacks on the World Trade Center. UM

0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 1>cut into them Yeah, so you can do the little

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:19.680
<v Speaker 1>uh charcoal rubbings on paper if you want. They shine

0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:22.840
<v Speaker 1>light through them at night. Uh. They're grouped together by

0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:27.200
<v Speaker 1>either where they died or where they worked, or if

0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:30.120
<v Speaker 1>there was a special request a group people like with

0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 1>friends of theirs that worked in the building that they've

0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:35.080
<v Speaker 1>done that too, that's cool. So that's kind of cool. Um.

0:32:35.160 --> 0:32:38.120
<v Speaker 1>And then probably the most noticeable feature within this little

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 1>urban forest, UM is going to be a glass building

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 1>that's that forms the atrium or the entryway to the

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Memorial museum, that's right. Uh. And the most noticeable feature

0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:51.800
<v Speaker 1>of that are going to be these two steel tridents

0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 1>which um made up the Yeah, they made up the

0:32:55.200 --> 0:33:00.760
<v Speaker 1>the exterior that the exo skeleton UM. The the apparently

0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:03.880
<v Speaker 1>went up and then at this at the seventy ft mark,

0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 1>the seventh story, Uh, they split into three and then

0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 1>they supported steel beams that went all the way up

0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:11.560
<v Speaker 1>to the top of the building. Right. So these things

0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:15.000
<v Speaker 1>were left standing I think on the north tower. UM.

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:17.200
<v Speaker 1>So they took those off to Kennedy with a bunch

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:19.720
<v Speaker 1>of other artifacts and kept them in a hangar. And

0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:21.680
<v Speaker 1>now they've been returned to the site and they built

0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:24.040
<v Speaker 1>the atrium around these two things. Yeah, they used a

0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 1>lot of pieces of the World Trade Center in the

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 1>museum itself to partially just you know, remind people and

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 1>then also to show again show scale of you know,

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:36.680
<v Speaker 1>I think the tridents themselves are close to a hundred

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 1>feet tall nine I think ninety because they branched at

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:42.440
<v Speaker 1>the seventy ftmark and they go up to like the

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 1>ninety footmark. So um. And then also check the museum

0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:54.000
<v Speaker 1>itself is largely underground. Um, and they're in the footprints

0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 1>of the World Trade Center towers and parts around them.

0:33:57.280 --> 0:33:59.200
<v Speaker 1>But basically the whole thing is set up to give

0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:04.120
<v Speaker 1>you an underground down view of how incredibly massive these

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 1>buildings were by leaving like the concrete footings any steel

0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:12.600
<v Speaker 1>supports that they can um intact and then just all

0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 1>and I guess playing off the vastness of the space. Yeah,

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 1>that had to do with the museum and the design

0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:22.279
<v Speaker 1>up top. Two was I think you can in the

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:24.480
<v Speaker 1>museum down below you can stand in between the two

0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:27.759
<v Speaker 1>footprints still and uh, they've created a lot of just

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:30.320
<v Speaker 1>open space, it seems like, right. But then there's also

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:32.840
<v Speaker 1>like at the at the corners of the Princess maybe

0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:35.879
<v Speaker 1>like some I think there's an aluminum clad volumes whether

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:39.000
<v Speaker 1>it's called to basically give this kind of ghost outline

0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:41.839
<v Speaker 1>of the buildings, so to give you an even better

0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:45.680
<v Speaker 1>idea of their scale. UM. And all this is underground,

0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Like we said, the plaza actually above serves as a

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:52.000
<v Speaker 1>green roof to the museum UM, and you go through

0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:54.400
<v Speaker 1>the hrium and then you to to get to the

0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:57.520
<v Speaker 1>museum itself underground. You go through UM, you go down

0:34:57.520 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 1>a ramp UM and that's very symbolic of the ramp

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 1>that was used to clean out the ground zero site.

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:07.439
<v Speaker 1>It was used during construction of the original towers UM.

0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:10.840
<v Speaker 1>So it's it's kind of like throwing you back in

0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:14.719
<v Speaker 1>time and during the construction and the cleanup UM, which

0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:17.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, really marks the history of this site. Those

0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:21.320
<v Speaker 1>two things. Yeah, there's a couple of other notable aspects

0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:23.840
<v Speaker 1>to the museum that they're going to have. The Survivor stairs,

0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:27.560
<v Speaker 1>which if you google that, I mean, they're pretty famous.

0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:31.239
<v Speaker 1>They were one of the sets of stairs that you know,

0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:33.960
<v Speaker 1>it said hundreds, but I would imagine maybe even thousands

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:36.279
<v Speaker 1>of people used to escape. It was like one of

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:39.919
<v Speaker 1>the only ways out. Yeah, it was along World trade

0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 1>center six. I think so in two thousand and eight

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:46.160
<v Speaker 1>it was lowered down into the side again for it's

0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:49.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, final resting place there in the museum. And

0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:51.799
<v Speaker 1>the other big thing is the last column in the

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:53.879
<v Speaker 1>west chamber of the museum. It's going to house this

0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:57.080
<v Speaker 1>and it was returned to the site. You might remember

0:35:57.120 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 1>the last column and was where it was one of

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 1>the last standing obviously, and that's where people uh decorated uh,

0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:07.279
<v Speaker 1>this column with with memories of their loved ones and

0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:09.640
<v Speaker 1>and have you seen this person that kind of thing. Right.

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:11.640
<v Speaker 1>They're also gonna have the slurry wall in there, which

0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:14.880
<v Speaker 1>was surprisingly intact. They it was. It was an original

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:17.200
<v Speaker 1>huge wall that they built to keep the Hudson from

0:36:17.200 --> 0:36:20.080
<v Speaker 1>flooding it. And after the attacks, after the class of

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:22.160
<v Speaker 1>the building, this wall was just standing there. It didn't

0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:24.719
<v Speaker 1>have any support, but it was still keeping the Hudson out.

0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:27.319
<v Speaker 1>So they reinforced it and rebuilt it. But they took

0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:29.759
<v Speaker 1>a sixty two by sixty four foot section of the

0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 1>slurry wall and it's going to make up a significant

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:36.399
<v Speaker 1>part of the museum itself. This huge man, this must

0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:39.920
<v Speaker 1>be enormous under there, because I mean, beyond all these

0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:43.919
<v Speaker 1>huge elements. They have all the void open space, so

0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:46.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm very much looking forward to going to that. Um

0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:49.800
<v Speaker 1>we I think we skipped over the Memorial Glade. UM

0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:53.600
<v Speaker 1>in the park above the museum, there is a section

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:55.799
<v Speaker 1>called the Memorial Glade, which is going to be an

0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:58.959
<v Speaker 1>open area where they'll have like ceremonies and and things

0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:02.640
<v Speaker 1>like that, and a that's surrounded by sweet gums, which

0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:09.759
<v Speaker 1>should be autumn red on September eleven, is what they say.

0:37:10.160 --> 0:37:12.760
<v Speaker 1>They play it that way, at least the museum itself.

0:37:12.800 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 1>Like the exhibits that they're going to have, they're gonna

0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:18.399
<v Speaker 1>have permanent exhibits of artifacts from you know, the clean

0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:22.280
<v Speaker 1>up from the rescue from the attacks, um, personal story

0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:24.840
<v Speaker 1>pre attacked too. I think they're gonna have obviously some

0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:27.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they're going to have some information on there,

0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:30.400
<v Speaker 1>like the construction and all that. Yeah, and then probably

0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:32.760
<v Speaker 1>the people who did it. Imagine there'll be some information

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 1>there yeah. Um. And also they're gonna have some stuff

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 1>on the d C in Pittsburgh Losses or not Pittsburgh,

0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:44.759
<v Speaker 1>Pennsylvania Losses. But there's um a very controversial exhibit that's

0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:46.680
<v Speaker 1>going to be added. It looks like it's going to

0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:50.400
<v Speaker 1>be added as far back as um or as recently

0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:52.359
<v Speaker 1>as April. That's as far back as I can find

0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 1>any press. I found something more recently, I think it is.

0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:57.880
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna they're going forward with it. Well, um, there

0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 1>there were there were a lot of human remains found, uh,

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:05.279
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of them were put together and said,

0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:08.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, this is this person, this belonged to this person. Um.

0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:13.960
<v Speaker 1>But after a while, like the matches ran out. Um

0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:17.640
<v Speaker 1>and the Medical Examiner still has over nine thousand pieces

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.640
<v Speaker 1>of human remains, and the last match was made in

0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:22.960
<v Speaker 1>two thousand nine, So they're kind of losing hope that

0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:25.520
<v Speaker 1>they're ever going able to identify who they belong to.

0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:28.279
<v Speaker 1>And a lot of people are unidentified at this point. Well,

0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:31.279
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the families of the fort of the

0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:36.280
<v Speaker 1>victims who haven't been identified, or saying keep trying, don't stop.

0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Medical Examiner and the people who are running the museum

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 1>are saying, no, we have a better place for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't we put them in the museum, And they

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<v Speaker 1>have it planned to put them behind a quote from

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<v Speaker 1>virgil Um that says, no day shell erase you from

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<v Speaker 1>the memory of time. And the letters themselves are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be made of World Trade Center steel. Um. But

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<v Speaker 1>they're you know, a lot of people find the schoolish

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<v Speaker 1>and ghastly, like you can't put human remains on display.

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<v Speaker 1>And in this article in the New York Times, they

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed a lot of curators who are like, it depends,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like you can't just put human remains in

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<v Speaker 1>a museum. You're not supposed to do that. But if

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<v Speaker 1>it's a memorial on the side of an atrocity, like

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<v Speaker 1>Ashwitz has lots of human remains, Um, the Cahmer Rouge

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<v Speaker 1>Museum has all sorts of human remains. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>museum wise speaking appropriate. But really, I mean, it's up

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<v Speaker 1>to your you know, what you think is morally acceptable

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<v Speaker 1>or not. Yeah, I think what I read most of

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<v Speaker 1>the upset comes from the fact that they were underground

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<v Speaker 1>in the museum, and they were supposedly told that they

0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:47.720
<v Speaker 1>were going to be kept in a in a tomb

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<v Speaker 1>right in the park, above ground, right and away from tourists.

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<v Speaker 1>Like this, this plan is to put them right in

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<v Speaker 1>the exhibit, like here's some of the remains of the victims.

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<v Speaker 1>But there would be tour I mean, I guess there

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<v Speaker 1>would be tourist up top as well, But I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I see their difference though. Yeah, no, there's a big

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<v Speaker 1>difference for sure. But I think just about everybody agrees

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<v Speaker 1>they should be kept on the site somewhere. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>in what capacity, right, Chuck. Let's say I have a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred bucks sitting around and I'm like, I want to

0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:21.359
<v Speaker 1>contribute to this memorial. What can I do? You can

0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:25.320
<v Speaker 1>buy a cobble stone. I was a little disappointed to

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<v Speaker 1>see that the cobble stones weren't engraved, because that's usually

0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:33.399
<v Speaker 1>what you do. Yeah, there's a website that links your

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<v Speaker 1>cobble stone to your name, so it's not an actual

0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:40.479
<v Speaker 1>engrave cobblestone. But you can still donate a hundred bucks,

0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:42.480
<v Speaker 1>I will get you a cobble stone on the path

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<v Speaker 1>of the plaza itself. Five dollars will get you a

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<v Speaker 1>cobble stone on the memorial glade that we told you

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<v Speaker 1>about in A thousand bucks will get you one a

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<v Speaker 1>granite paper that will be a walkway to the memorial itself,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is a nine one on memorial dot org

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<v Speaker 1>slash donations, and I imagine you can just donate period

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<v Speaker 1>if you want. You'll get your cobblestones but if that's

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<v Speaker 1>not important to you, then it's probably good good cause,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say. And if you're gonna be in New

0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:19.480
<v Speaker 1>York this September eleven, um, the September eleven Memorial will

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<v Speaker 1>officially open that day. And if you're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>in New York September eleven, two thousand twelve, the Memorial

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<v Speaker 1>Museum is expected to be open, then yeah, they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>people like our shooting video of the the waterfalls being

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<v Speaker 1>tested and stuff out of their office window and it's

0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:41.759
<v Speaker 1>um pretty amazing. So UM. We've got a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>articles on site. We have how the World Trade Center worked,

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<v Speaker 1>or I guess the World Trade Center is what it's called, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's very comprehensive. I think Tom Harris wrote it,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can type a World Trade Center and that

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<v Speaker 1>should also bring up how the World Trade Center Memorial works,

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<v Speaker 1>which coming soon, right it. It It will be up by

0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:03.600
<v Speaker 1>the time this comes out, So yeah, I hope so um.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, if you want to learn more about the memorial,

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<v Speaker 1>you can go to nine one one Memorial dot org

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<v Speaker 1>um and you can donate there too. And uh is

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<v Speaker 1>that it? I think this is our nine eleven podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been asked by a bunch of people to do one,

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<v Speaker 1>and and unless we're inspired to actual yeah, I actually

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<v Speaker 1>go over the grizzly details. I would say this will

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<v Speaker 1>serve you concur Yeah, I don't know if I want

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