1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff You Should Know 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: from House Stuff Works dot Com? Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me as always is 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: Charles W. Chuckers Bryant, and that makes this a very 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: um congested episode of Stuff you Should Know, right, Yeah, 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: we were just reminiscing about the uh, what was it 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: eight or nine? I don't remember, probably oh nine when 9 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: Josh was sick for a like I said, he was 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: sick for a season, and that's really not too far off. Yeah, 11 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,319 Speaker 1: but you mean recently pointed out that I wasn't sick 12 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: at all last year, and I don't think I've ever 13 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: not been sick for a year. So it has to 14 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: do probably with taking better care of myself, not smoking. 15 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: Probably I get the stomach thing. I don't usually get 16 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:57,319 Speaker 1: regular sick. Yeah, you do get stomachs ye. Man. It's 17 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: not even like a bug. It's like a staff of 18 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: actual or a bowl of the stomach or something horrible 19 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: like that. It just gross. So I are you willing 20 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: to muddle through this one with me sounding like this? 21 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: I think people can forgive that we needed to get 22 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: this one out in time for the September eleventh anniversary. Yeah, 23 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: the tenth anniversary of the September eleventh attacks, UM on 24 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: the World Trade Center. Uh, the attack Uh, well the 25 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: plane that went down Flight ninety three in Pennsylvania. Have 26 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: you seen that movie? Um? And then uh, the attack 27 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: on the Pentagon. UM. The tenth Anniversity is going to 28 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: be a big sad, soul in occasion. You know, it 29 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: seems like the last couple of years it's been you 30 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: know it September eleventh and this this is a time 31 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: to stop and reflect for a moment. But I think 32 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: it's all gonna come barreling back on the tenth anniversary. Yeah, 33 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: I think people have been anticipating that. And the opening 34 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: of the of the memorial, which we're gonna talk about, 35 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: has a lot to do with that, obviously it does. 36 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: It's gonna officially dedicated and opened on September eleventh, two 37 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: thousand eleven. Yeah, and then um, the museum, which we'll 38 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: also talk about, will be open the following year, I 39 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: think on September eleven, two twelve. And that thing sounds 40 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: pretty amazing. Yeah, I'm very excited about going to these. Um, 41 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: maybe excited it's not the right word. No, I'm excited 42 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: if I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, there's nothing. It 43 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're flippant about it. No, I'm excited to 44 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: see them as well. That's okay, Okay, thanks. I get 45 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: excited every time I go to those things. It's a 46 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: good place for remembrance, Josh, Yes, that's Memorials make an 47 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,119 Speaker 1: excellent spot for remembrance. Let's talk about the spot where 48 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: the memorial, the World Trade Center Memorial, which what which 49 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: is what we're talking about, is going to be situated 50 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 1: the original spot where the World Trade Center complex was situated. 51 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: Beginning work started in the sixties and was completed in 52 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: I think ninety three on the towers. I think work 53 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: for the whole World Trade Center complex wasn't completed until yeah, 54 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: fourteen years, fourteen years after the towers that were completed, 55 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: So it was like nineteen yeah something. Yeah, right, Um, 56 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: But tell me about the tell me about the spot, 57 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: the World Trade Center spot. It's a very um ambitious project. 58 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: It was Josh, seven buildings total um spanning sixteen acres. 59 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: It's a lot of room and each tower itself, I 60 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: think had a footprint of an acre. Yeah right, yeah. Uh. 61 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: They had office space to the tune of about uh 62 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: fifty thousand total workers in about thirty five thousand, and 63 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: those were split among four hundred and thirty companies in 64 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: the buildings. It was ten million square feet of office space. 65 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: It's incredible, it was. It was originally UM. Speaking of ambition, 66 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: I read an article called The Height of Ambition. It 67 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: was a two thousand to New York Times article and 68 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: it's required reading for anybody. It's really good. It's all 69 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: about the construction, it's about the attacks. It's a really comprehensive, 70 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: great article. But they were saying like that there was 71 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: no way they were going to go UM any less 72 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: than ten million square feet when they decided to there, 73 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: like that's it, We're doing ten million, and that's so 74 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: that's such an enormous amount of office space that other 75 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: real estate developers in the city were like, that's going 76 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: to like imbalance the market. That's so much, it's gonna 77 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: flood this place all at once. Yeah. I remember at 78 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: the time, uh, you know, in September eleven, thinking that 79 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: the death Hole was gonna be like ten people because 80 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: I knew how many people work there, and it would 81 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: have been had it had the buildings not stayed up 82 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: for um an hour or so, or had it been 83 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: an hour or so later, right once people were all 84 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, because you said there's about fifty thousand 85 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: people that worked at the World Trade Centers UM, and 86 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: then there's another maybe UM seventy thousand, forty thousand to 87 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: seventy thousand people who could muted through because there was 88 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: a subway station underneath in the path train station and 89 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: the mall, and people coming to have lunch with like 90 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: their husband or wife or whatever. So seventy thousand additional 91 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: people passed through that that complex every day. Indeed, Josh, 92 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: if we're talking size, we've got a couple of stats. 93 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: The North tower UM, the original World Trade Center one, 94 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 1: although there's a new one which we're gonna talk about, uh, 95 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: hundred sixty eight feet uh and then seventeen thirty feet 96 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: with its large antenna. And then the South tower was 97 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: about six ft shorter than the North tower, which I 98 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: thought found interesting. I wonder if that was a I 99 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: wonder why they did that. Maybe the bedrock was six 100 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: ft six ft lower, has to be something like that. 101 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: I don't think it was I'm sure they got to 102 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: the final measurement and we're like, you have to be 103 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: kindding right, because they were both a hundred ten stories. 104 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: It's not like w C t C two was short 105 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: changed the floor or a half floor. Two hundred eight 106 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: thousand one metric tons. Yeah, and one of them. It's 107 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: tough to find comparisons for this, but um, it's an 108 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: Afford Explorer. These each one weighed about equivalent to a 109 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy two thousand Ford Explorers. That's heavy. That's yeah, 110 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: that's a heavy building. And that's a lot of weight. 111 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: And we'll we'll get to that weight. And what happened 112 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: to a lot of that weight coming up shortly to right? 113 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: Uh So. One of the cool things that you found 114 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: was originally when they planned the towers, they didn't know 115 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: what kind of sway that a person could take. Let's say, 116 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: if you're working on story like this towers swaying back 117 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: and forth in the wind, what kind of that would 118 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: do to people? Yeah, no one had ever These were 119 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: when they were built, the tallest structures in the world. 120 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: You can't just have office space up there that people 121 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: are getting sick on because they're dizzy, right, because no 122 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: one would rent it out. But they didn't know that 123 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: it um. They didn't know, well, maybe somebody could take 124 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: six ft of sway on either side. They had no idea, 125 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: maybe people can take like almost no sway. So they 126 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: had a guy in Eugene, Oregon who was a psychologist, 127 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: basically purchased an office building, put parts of it up 128 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: on Jack's and like test people. He had him come 129 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: in for I exams, but was really testing them to 130 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: see how much sway they could put up with him 131 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: found not much, like a couple of inches either way. 132 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: After a couple of minutes of that, the people start 133 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: freaking out, get dizzy, get nauseated. So they were like, 134 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: you have to do something because your building is going 135 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: to sway a lot more than this, that's right, and 136 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: you can't have your tenants getting sick. So they built 137 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: in shock absorbers that prevented this way. So I think 138 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: most people know by now just from breakdown of the 139 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: what happened with the collapse, that it was an exoskeleton 140 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: design and it was connected with a core steel core 141 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: connected it with a hat trust at the top. Yeah, 142 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: so you had columns going out on the outside where 143 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: they normally would have been put inside, so that opened 144 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: up much more office space. So the columns are on 145 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: the outside, and there's a steel court in the center 146 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: like you said, and it was connected by a hat trust. 147 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: They just fit over the top and connected everything to 148 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: the center. So it just stabilized the whole thing and 149 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: it made it light but very strong. Right. I think 150 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: it was about open air inside the building itself, which 151 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: has a lot to do with why it collapsed. Um, 152 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: there was a police station port authority in New Jersey. Uh, 153 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: New York and New Jersey had a police desk, they 154 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: had its own uh, they had their own zip code 155 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: and eight dedicated mail carriers. Yeah, I couldn't. I'm sure 156 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: it's still there. It has to be. The zip it 157 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: still has its own zip code, right, one O four eight. Yeah, 158 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: I looked that up. Actually, I think they held onto 159 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: that zip code and to assign you know, the New 160 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: World traits in our complex that same zip code. If 161 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, I would hope. So this is a 162 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. Yeah, but yeah, eight postal carriers 163 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: just for the WTC complex like they worked within. You know, 164 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: I guess it's sixteen acres, but it's probably not as 165 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: big as your usual beat in New York. I would 166 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: I wouldn't think so. No, I think they call it beats. 167 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 1: That's just cops. I wouldn't it no copy, um chuck. 168 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: Also these um, just to give another idea of scale, Um, 169 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: there were each of the towers themselves. Just the towers 170 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: had elevators, each each one had um almost uh well, 171 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: almost twenty two thousand windows. And apparently you could have 172 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: built a sidewalk standard sidewalk I take it from New 173 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: York to Washington, d C. With just the concrete used 174 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: in just the towers. So these were massive, colossal structures, 175 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: just the towers. The whole complex itself was colossal, but 176 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: the tower, it's just the towers are enough to like 177 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: get the point across, you know. Well, and all you 178 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: ever really hear about still is usually the WTC one 179 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: and two. But all of the buildings were eventually raised 180 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: the whole complex, right, and um, we should also say that, 181 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: you know, everybody kind of came on board. But in 182 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: the beginning there were very big detractors to the World 183 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: Trade Center projects, including those real estate developers who were like, 184 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: this is going to be a drain on the market. 185 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: And one of the guys whose named Lawrence Ween, who 186 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: was an Empire State building co owner. Right, And he 187 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: took out a full page and the New York Times 188 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: that had a picture of one of the World Trade 189 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: Center towers with a plane flying into it to basically 190 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: suggest that this was a hazard to air traffic, right, 191 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: And it actually almost came true in one when an 192 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: Air Alina's flight just narrowly missed the North tower but 193 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: made off. Okay, it was safe, that's right. Yeah. Uh, however, 194 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: that was the first attack on the World Trade Center. Uh. 195 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: And Islamic Islamistic streamist group detonated about a thousand pounds 196 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: of explosives and a rented truck underneath the World Trade 197 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:11,239 Speaker 1: Center and killed six people, injured thousands and they are included, 198 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: which I thought was a classy move in the World 199 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: Trades and a memorial years later. I never really considered that, 200 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: but I thought it was pretty nice thing to do 201 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: that That truck left half a football sized football field 202 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: sized crater and it apparently rocked the whole building. Like 203 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: you think, Well, six people died, It couldn't have been 204 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: that big. It was a huge blast. It was just 205 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: in the wrong place. But they were trying to take 206 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: the building down, you know, yeah, from below, so that UM. 207 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: Within a few days or weeks after UM, the February attach, 208 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: things were back to business as usual. Governor Andrew Cuomo 209 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: was the first to move back into the office building right, 210 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: and things were just like I said, business as usual 211 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: until the morning of September eleven, two thousand one came 212 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: on day a can having four blocks north of the 213 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: World Spathe Center. The second building that was hill by 214 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: the plane has just completely collapsed. The entire building has 215 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: just collapsed, as if the tunolition team set off. When 216 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: you see the old nilition to the Gold buildings down 217 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: on itself and it is not there anymore, it should be. 218 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: It collapsed, collapse. The whole building has collapsed. So that 219 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: pretty much speaks for itself. I think, where were you 220 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: that morning? I had just gotten back from New York. 221 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: Actually I was there for vacation and a Radiohead concert 222 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: and in New Jersey or actually it was Liberty State 223 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: Park and flew home on September like the seventh or something, 224 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: so I was in it. Actually I was living in 225 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: l A. But I flew back to Atlanta and then 226 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: got stuck in Atlanta because everything was grounded. So I 227 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: was in my friend Big John's where house and Big 228 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: country Boy, and he woke me up up here. Yeah. 229 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: Remember it was like one of the towers has been hit, 230 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: and you just when I started watching CNN and figuring 231 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: out what was going on, like this is not an accident. Yeah, 232 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: I think both of us kind of came to the 233 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: conclusion pretty quick too. So I hung out in his 234 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: warehouse all day, only watched it on TV basically, and 235 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, and I have to say, like it 236 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: didn't sink in as hard um then as it did 237 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: when we were researching this for this podcast. Man, I 238 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: was watching just find finding that clip we just played. 239 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: I watched about like an hour of it does it Happened? 240 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: Coverage and it was just it really drew me in 241 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: and just depressed me like crazy. But like it got 242 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: through to me finally after ten years, like it's really 243 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: hit me how how huge this is. Yeah. I'd plowed 244 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: through a bunch of videos this week too and last week, 245 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: and it was you know, because I hadn't researched it 246 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: for a long time, after probably since like two thousand three, 247 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 1: than many years of not even really considering it much 248 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it's all back on 249 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: and coming up this September, and I think this being 250 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: older too, especially for me being an older you know, 251 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: ten years older, and it's gotten through to me a 252 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: lot more like, yeah, God, how are you you were 253 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: in your early twenties, mid twenties. I was like, God, 254 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: that's crazy, Yeah something just a little kid, so chuck. 255 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: We mentioned, um, how there could have been tens of 256 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: thousands more people who could have died had the buildings 257 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: not stayed up. And there were a couple of big 258 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: questions after the collapse of the World Trade Center towers um. 259 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: Number one, why did they fall They didn't have to 260 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: fall um? And number two, why didn't they just fall 261 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: over immediately? And the answer to the second question is 262 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: that does nine that exoskeleton connected to a central steel 263 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: core by a hat trust could have kept that thing 264 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: up indefinitely. Well, the reason they fell was a fatal flaw. Right. 265 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: Those steel columns that make up the exoskeleton tapered um 266 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: at the top because they had to support less weight, 267 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: making the whole structure lighter, requiring less steel. Right, So 268 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: the planes when they flew into the higher floors. They 269 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: were flying into steel columns that were only as thin 270 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: as like a quarter inch across, so they just severed them. Yeah, 271 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: the problem is with the true fatal flow is the 272 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: heat from the fire though. Yeah, I read a big 273 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: article yesterday on this about this physicist Um basically explained 274 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: how they came down to sort of rebut the idiots 275 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: who say that it was a controlled demolition by the 276 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: US government and like steel can't get that hot and melting, 277 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, And he explained the difference between heat 278 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: and temperature. And I wish I was smart enough to 279 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: relay that now, but I would just advise, just google, 280 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: like why did they collapse? And there's a really good 281 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: article on that. So it's one of the first hits. 282 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: For our purposes, we're gonna take it on face value 283 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: that the heat from the raging fires Um created uh 284 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: enough high enough temperature that the steel within a steel 285 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: melted and the weight distribution throughout the exoskeleton was even 286 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: further compromised until these things started going from what the 287 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: connection to the hat trust was snapped, and then that 288 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: was that there was no support any longer. So these 289 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: floors obviously could support the weight of the floors on 290 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: top of them. Because they had been up since nineteen 291 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: seventy three, they can support the static weight. When the 292 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: floors start collapsing on one another, it becomes moving heavier 293 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: weight and it's created a domino effect essentially. Right, it 294 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: just plowed right into the floors beneath and picked up 295 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: more and more steam as it went. Apparently the material 296 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: from the highest floors. By the time they reached the ground, 297 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: we're traveling about a hundred and twenty miles, and that 298 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: could have been even faster, according to that physicist, and 299 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: he said the fact that they fell straight down was 300 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: uh sensible and fortunate because they could have swayed and 301 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: toppled over, which you know stories falling to the left 302 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: or to the right is going to take out do 303 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: a lot more damage. Obviously. Well, the South tower did 304 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: do some damage. The North Tower came down almost completely 305 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 1: in its footprint, and it just compacted itself into this 306 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: dense acre size square of debris that went from street 307 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: level seventy underground to the bedrock and just filled its 308 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: own footprint almost completely. Um the the other towers UM 309 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: three and seven were completely trashed. UM Tower six was 310 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: still intact, but it had a huge chunk of the 311 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: North tower against it. UM, and that the one they 312 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: had to take out for those reasons, Like otherwise it 313 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: might have been okay. That one they actually did demolish. 314 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: So the Yeah, the whole site kind of just became 315 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,719 Speaker 1: a loss. UM there I guess an estimated three hundred 316 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: thousand tons of scrap metal were generated, most of it 317 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: sold the Indian China. UM, and there was a big hubbub. 318 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: I didn't know this, did you? Did you hear about 319 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: this when it happened. Um, the mafia diverted like two 320 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: fifty five tons of scrap metal to its own junkyards 321 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: for profit UM and got caught pretty quickly because the 322 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: FBI was on that case. But UM they after that, 323 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: there were I think a hundred thousand truckloads of debris 324 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: trucked out to UM uh the landfill in New Jersey. 325 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:01,959 Speaker 1: I believe it's called Fresh Kill Landfill UM and UH 326 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: those all got police escorts after the FBI found out 327 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: the mafia was diverting scrap metal, right obviously, Yeah, that's 328 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: a good move. Uh. The cleanup was very quick. I 329 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: remember at the time thinking that it happened way quicker 330 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: than I thought it would. Well, yeah, they were. They 331 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: were like, this is gonna take a year, maybe two, 332 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: maybe three exactly. It took eight year or nine months. Yes, 333 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: it also came in under budget. Uh. They thought it 334 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: was gonna cost a couple of billion dollars and that 335 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: was clearly overinflated because it only costs six and fifty 336 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: million UH to clean up, which is a lot of money, 337 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: but nothing compared to to bill a lot less. UM. 338 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: They did get a little criticism because they thought they 339 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: kind of hurried the clean up a little too much. 340 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: Considering the potential toxic materials found at the site. A 341 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: lot of people thought, you know, maybe we should take 342 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: our time here, study this a little more, or see 343 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 1: what's what we have to deal with before we start 344 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: sending people down there. Well, one group called it the 345 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: most the worst toxic site in our history. Did he 346 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: mean Nation's history? I don't know. It's a good question. 347 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: It could be Nation, New York World, I don't know. 348 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: There was a lot of toxic stuff um. For example, 349 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand pounds of lead plus cadmium from the 350 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: fifty thousand pecs in the World Trade Center offices right, UM, 351 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: mercury from the fluorescent lights. There apparently about half a 352 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: million fluorescent tube lights that all had mercury in them 353 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: to work. UM. Have you heard of polycystic aromatic hydrocarbons? 354 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: They're apparently, um they caused laryngeal cancer, UM and a 355 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: couple of other cancers. And they come from partially burned 356 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: UM fossil fuels. What else chuck asbestos, lots of asbestos, 357 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: benzene um die ox in from oil and fuel. So 358 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: not the kind of stuff you want to be breathing in. 359 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: And people found you know, years afterward, we're getting sick, 360 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: a lot of the first responders getting sick and dying. 361 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: Even Yeah, the bass player from um TV on the 362 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: radio was the first responder, and he came down with 363 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: cancer and like in his late thirties or something and died, 364 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,239 Speaker 1: that's right. And within the last year. I didn't did 365 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: I know that he was a first responder as as 366 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: what what was his uh what kind of responder was? 367 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: You do know? I don't remember, but he was. He 368 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: was the first responder to the ground zero. So they've 369 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: there was a uh combined payout of six d and 370 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: twenty five million dollars to some of the first responders 371 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: and cleanup workers after a lawsuit was filed, and that 372 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: was just that was. They came to that settlement within 373 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: the last year or two. Right, Yeah, they've been hammering 374 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: that out forever. Yeah. And then there was the Zadroga Bill, 375 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: which is massive. Seven point were billion dollars in compensation 376 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: for everything from like economic impact to health. But there's 377 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: a big well there's a big outcry because they didn't 378 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: include cancer. Yeah, they couldn't find a definite link. Um. 379 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: I mean this is one of those where I say, 380 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: throw it in there, like cover everything. Apparently that's not 381 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: the case. Well no, but it's left open so that 382 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: it can be amended to include cancer later, like if 383 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: somebody's like, here's your definitive right study on it that 384 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: shows the link. But apparently the link is enough for 385 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: people who are engaged in like personal litigation. Uh, they've 386 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 1: been generally successful and just doing New York. Okay, just 387 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: not a class action kind of thing. Well just not 388 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: there's a Droga bill, got you, yeah, Okay, Well, uh, 389 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: No one died during the cleanup of the Ground zero, 390 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: which is pretty amazing considering what a dangerous place. It was. 391 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 1: You know, there were like huge voids that were covered up, 392 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: you know by things that uh you know, big gaps 393 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: and holes that you could easily fall into. Yeah, like 394 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: you know those tiger traps. Yeah, where it's just kind 395 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: of covered with a little bit of twigs or leaves. 396 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: There were like seventy ft drops that looked like they 397 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: were stable, solid rubble or whatever. But yeah, there's a 398 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: picture of a huge earth mover like sliding down with 399 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: a guy and it's like, oh my god. Yeah, I'm 400 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: really surprised no one died during that clean up. Yeah, 401 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: sixty men died building the thing. Wow, that was the seventies. Uh. 402 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: So that brings us Josh to ten years later. Yea, 403 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: the nine eleven Memorial and Museum, which we both said 404 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: we're excited to go see because it's a pretty amazing design. 405 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: To me, they hit all the right notes, and a 406 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: lot of people have complained about the actual building, The 407 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: New World Trade Center one has been beaten up pretty 408 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: badly in the press. A lot of people think they 409 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: should have just mimicked the original twin towers, except maybe 410 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: a little higher, as like a show of our strength 411 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: as Americans, right, with the giant birden exactly with Donald 412 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: Trump on top looking the bird. But Trump was one 413 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: of the ones actually who hates the new uh w 414 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: TC one and it is uh well, originally it was 415 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: called the Freedom Tower. Could not smack of the Bush 416 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: era more. Yeah, they changed that that or um world 417 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: War two when we started calling French fries freedom fries. 418 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: Was that World War two? And that came about again 419 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: after this. Yeah. And then also um sauerkraut was called 420 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: liberty cabbage. That's just crazy jingoistic, you know. Yeah. Uh So, 421 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: like I said, Trump is is not a big fan 422 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: of the design. He or the architect who designed w 423 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: TC one, the new one. What's his name, Daniel um Oh, 424 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: Daniel Lipskin? Is that him? He's been much battered. Yeah, 425 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: I kind of feel bad for the guy, you know, 426 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: he's trying to trying to do a good job. I'm 427 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: sure it is going to be the tallest building in 428 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: the US after it's completed, at a symbolic height of 429 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: seven hundred and seventy six ft sev Seventeen seventy six, 430 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: obviously for the you know, USA all the way, seventeen 431 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: seventy six, very important day in our history and all 432 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: the buildings are going to be done between six and 433 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: uh w TC. One is right now at the eight floor, 434 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: which is they're they're close to done. How many floors 435 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: is it going to be? UM? I think well, part 436 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: of what people are complaining about is the top third 437 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: of this building is just hollow space, so a lot 438 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: of people complained about that. So I don't know how 439 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: many actual floors. It may be pretty close then if 440 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: they're the eightieth floor now, and I think they've concrete 441 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: it up to this of any second floor, glassed it 442 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: up to the fifty three and then seven. World Trade 443 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: Center was UM opened in two thousand six. That's already there. 444 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: But the one that's that's being dedicated UM well in 445 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: a few days by the time this thing comes out 446 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: is the World Trade Center Memorial. Right, There's been a 447 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: couple of other memorials, like the Sphere, which is Fritz 448 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: Koenig Um sculpture that was just iconically associated with UM. 449 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: The World Trade Center was found in the rubble. It 450 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: basically dusted off and put in Battery Park with an 451 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: eternal flight, and then there was tribute and lights which 452 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: are the two beams and anybody who's ever seen Spike 453 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: Lee's twenty is familiar with those UM and those are 454 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,239 Speaker 1: brought out every year. That's really cool looking. It is 455 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: very cool. It's like UM forty four. Each tower is 456 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: made up of forty four UM xenon searchlights focused into 457 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: a single column that just shoots right up into space. 458 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: Know if they're gonna do that still, Yeah, I wondered too, 459 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 1: they should do that every year. I agree, just for 460 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: that one day, you know, Yeah, I think it'd be cool, 461 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: but they, you know, to get a more permanent exhibit. 462 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: UM design competition was held in two thousand three by 463 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, Right, and uh, it was international, 464 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: so people from all over the world submitted design. It's 465 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: like a ton of them, Yes, sixty three countries in total, 466 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: five thousand, two hundred one submissions. And the guy who 467 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: won for the memorial went to Tech Georgia. Tech's Yeah, 468 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: and he was working as a New York City Housing 469 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: Authority architect until he won. And then I imagine he's 470 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 1: making a little bit more money now at Handel Architects 471 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: as a partner. Yeah. His name is Michael Aharin. That's 472 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: how to get a job a partnership pretty quick in 473 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,239 Speaker 1: as an architect. I think that's how to make your 474 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: career look at like Maa Lynn, Yeah, who did the 475 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: Vietnam Memaria was the first thing she ever did? Is 476 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: a yeah, well, I think, yeah, yeah, have you ever 477 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: seen the documentary her very neat how'd she come up 478 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 1: with the idea? She talks all about it, like the 479 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: first third of the documentaries about that and like what 480 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: she went through, Um, like there's a big problem that 481 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: she was Asian, you know, um that kind of thing. Um, 482 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: but I don't remember. I don't remember if it just 483 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: came to her what, But she talks about it. I mean, 484 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: that was perfect and its simplicity totally is perfect. But 485 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: it was very much taken the wrong way, as I 486 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: think there's always a group of people who take a 487 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: memorial the wrong way. Although and I think Michael Air 488 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: has been criticized, but I don't think anybody's like this 489 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: is a smack in the face to the people who died, 490 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: And yeah, I think it sounds pretty amazing. Tell them 491 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,479 Speaker 1: about it. Well, the centerpiece, it's gonna um the memorial itself. 492 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: There's a museum underneath underground, which we'll get to but 493 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: the Memorial Plaza is about eight acres of what will 494 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: be forest land UM with the two original footprints of 495 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: the World Trade Center towers are now intact as fountains waterfalls, Yeah, 496 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: the world's largest waterfalls. Two thousand gallons of water I 497 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,479 Speaker 1: think per minute flow through these things. And they're these huge, massive, 498 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: almost acre sized squares, like you said, that just fill 499 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: in the footprints of the of the World Trade Centers 500 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: UM and they're just amazing the thing there. We can't 501 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: really describe them any better than that because they're that simple. 502 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: But unless you see a rendering of them or there's 503 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: some really cool architectural animations of them too, um, they're 504 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: just they just take your breath away. And they're The 505 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: memorial um that Air designed is called reflecting absence UM, 506 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: and the whole point is to just kind of show 507 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: we're missing something here and we're always going to be 508 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: missing something here. Yeah, that's why I thought it was 509 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: such a brilliant design. It was not some I don't know, 510 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: it just made sense. You know, why build something up 511 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: when you can say so much more by creating these 512 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: two big voids and then the water flowing. It's all 513 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: very symbolic, you know, the recirculating water and living, you know, 514 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: breathing life into the city. And the trees or like 515 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: sweet gums and oaks. White oaks, yes, swamp white oaks 516 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: are there's gonna be like four hundred of them on 517 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: the plaza. And the plaza was designed by UM Peter 518 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: Walker and partners from Berkeley UM in conjunction with Michael Ahard. 519 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: I think that was the submission where these two people 520 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: jointly coming up with this plan and he was like, 521 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: I am the landscape architect, I need some help, yeah, 522 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: or vice versa, you know. Um, but Peter Walker came 523 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: up with this idea to you suspended paving systems to 524 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: support the white oaks, because um, an urban an urban 525 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: tree or a tree in urban forest like this, they 526 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: don't live that long. Um. But and the reason why 527 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: is because the soil becomes too compact and you have 528 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: to have paving for people to walk around on. So 529 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: what they came up with was a suspended paving system 530 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: which uses like columns and beams like a grid to 531 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: create this hollow space that will support pavement but will 532 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: also allow routes to go through. So these trees, these 533 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: swamp white oaks should thrive and live like many many 534 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: decades longer than ones that you know, were just planted 535 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: wherever along the street. That's right, and they could potentially 536 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: get up to about sixty ft tall, kind of creating 537 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: a canopy park. So that was one of the things 538 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: they wanted, was was a quiet place, sort of a 539 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: retreat from the city where you feel like you're sort 540 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: of insulated from from the rest of the city and 541 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: the noises of the city and the swamp white oaks also, 542 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: Chuck are gonna be brought in UM from all over 543 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: the area of New York, but also from places around 544 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: UM where Flight ninety three went down in Pennsylvania and 545 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: in the DC area that you're gonna have trees from 546 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: other nine eleven impacted areas brought I thought that was cool. Yeah, 547 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: I read an article on the family who's UM supplied 548 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: the trees basically for the project. Yeah, it was pretty cool. 549 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: And then also around the reflect thing Absence memorial, they're 550 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: going to have UM basically a bronze wall with the 551 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: names of all nearly three thousand victims of the and 552 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: two thousand one attacks on the World Trade Center. UM 553 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: cut into them Yeah, so you can do the little 554 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: uh charcoal rubbings on paper if you want. They shine 555 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: light through them at night. Uh. They're grouped together by 556 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: either where they died or where they worked, or if 557 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: there was a special request a group people like with 558 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: friends of theirs that worked in the building that they've 559 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: done that too, that's cool. So that's kind of cool. Um. 560 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: And then probably the most noticeable feature within this little 561 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: urban forest, UM is going to be a glass building 562 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: that's that forms the atrium or the entryway to the 563 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: Memorial museum, that's right. Uh. And the most noticeable feature 564 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: of that are going to be these two steel tridents 565 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: which um made up the Yeah, they made up the 566 00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: the exterior that the exo skeleton UM. The the apparently 567 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: went up and then at this at the seventy ft mark, 568 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: the seventh story, Uh, they split into three and then 569 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: they supported steel beams that went all the way up 570 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: to the top of the building. Right. So these things 571 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: were left standing I think on the north tower. UM. 572 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: So they took those off to Kennedy with a bunch 573 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: of other artifacts and kept them in a hangar. And 574 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: now they've been returned to the site and they built 575 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: the atrium around these two things. Yeah, they used a 576 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: lot of pieces of the World Trade Center in the 577 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: museum itself to partially just you know, remind people and 578 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: then also to show again show scale of you know, 579 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: I think the tridents themselves are close to a hundred 580 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: feet tall nine I think ninety because they branched at 581 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: the seventy ftmark and they go up to like the 582 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: ninety footmark. So um. And then also check the museum 583 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: itself is largely underground. Um, and they're in the footprints 584 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: of the World Trade Center towers and parts around them. 585 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: But basically the whole thing is set up to give 586 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: you an underground down view of how incredibly massive these 587 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: buildings were by leaving like the concrete footings any steel 588 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: supports that they can um intact and then just all 589 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: and I guess playing off the vastness of the space. Yeah, 590 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: that had to do with the museum and the design 591 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 1: up top. Two was I think you can in the 592 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: museum down below you can stand in between the two 593 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: footprints still and uh, they've created a lot of just 594 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 1: open space, it seems like, right. But then there's also 595 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: like at the at the corners of the Princess maybe 596 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,879 Speaker 1: like some I think there's an aluminum clad volumes whether 597 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: it's called to basically give this kind of ghost outline 598 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 1: of the buildings, so to give you an even better 599 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: idea of their scale. UM. And all this is underground, 600 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: Like we said, the plaza actually above serves as a 601 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: green roof to the museum UM, and you go through 602 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: the hrium and then you to to get to the 603 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: museum itself underground. You go through UM, you go down 604 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: a ramp UM and that's very symbolic of the ramp 605 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: that was used to clean out the ground zero site. 606 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,439 Speaker 1: It was used during construction of the original towers UM. 607 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of like throwing you back in 608 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: time and during the construction and the cleanup UM, which 609 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: you know, really marks the history of this site. Those 610 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 1: two things. Yeah, there's a couple of other notable aspects 611 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 1: to the museum that they're going to have. The Survivor stairs, 612 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: which if you google that, I mean, they're pretty famous. 613 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: They were one of the sets of stairs that you know, 614 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: it said hundreds, but I would imagine maybe even thousands 615 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: of people used to escape. It was like one of 616 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,919 Speaker 1: the only ways out. Yeah, it was along World trade 617 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: center six. I think so in two thousand and eight 618 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: it was lowered down into the side again for it's 619 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: you know, final resting place there in the museum. And 620 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: the other big thing is the last column in the 621 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 1: west chamber of the museum. It's going to house this 622 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: and it was returned to the site. You might remember 623 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: the last column and was where it was one of 624 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: the last standing obviously, and that's where people uh decorated uh, 625 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: this column with with memories of their loved ones and 626 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: and have you seen this person that kind of thing. Right. 627 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: They're also gonna have the slurry wall in there, which 628 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 1: was surprisingly intact. They it was. It was an original 629 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: huge wall that they built to keep the Hudson from 630 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: flooding it. And after the attacks, after the class of 631 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: the building, this wall was just standing there. It didn't 632 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: have any support, but it was still keeping the Hudson out. 633 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: So they reinforced it and rebuilt it. But they took 634 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: a sixty two by sixty four foot section of the 635 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: slurry wall and it's going to make up a significant 636 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,399 Speaker 1: part of the museum itself. This huge man, this must 637 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: be enormous under there, because I mean, beyond all these 638 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,919 Speaker 1: huge elements. They have all the void open space, so 639 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: I'm very much looking forward to going to that. Um 640 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: we I think we skipped over the Memorial Glade. UM 641 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: in the park above the museum, there is a section 642 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: called the Memorial Glade, which is going to be an 643 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,959 Speaker 1: open area where they'll have like ceremonies and and things 644 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: like that, and a that's surrounded by sweet gums, which 645 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: should be autumn red on September eleven, is what they say. 646 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,760 Speaker 1: They play it that way, at least the museum itself. 647 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: Like the exhibits that they're going to have, they're gonna 648 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,399 Speaker 1: have permanent exhibits of artifacts from you know, the clean 649 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,280 Speaker 1: up from the rescue from the attacks, um, personal story 650 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 1: pre attacked too. I think they're gonna have obviously some 651 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: I'm sure they're going to have some information on there, 652 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: like the construction and all that. Yeah, and then probably 653 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,760 Speaker 1: the people who did it. Imagine there'll be some information 654 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: there yeah. Um. And also they're gonna have some stuff 655 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: on the d C in Pittsburgh Losses or not Pittsburgh, 656 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania Losses. But there's um a very controversial exhibit that's 657 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: going to be added. It looks like it's going to 658 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 1: be added as far back as um or as recently 659 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,359 Speaker 1: as April. That's as far back as I can find 660 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: any press. I found something more recently, I think it is. 661 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: It's gonna they're going forward with it. Well, um, there 662 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: there were there were a lot of human remains found, uh, 663 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: and a lot of them were put together and said, 664 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 1: you know, this is this person, this belonged to this person. Um. 665 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: But after a while, like the matches ran out. Um 666 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: and the Medical Examiner still has over nine thousand pieces 667 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: of human remains, and the last match was made in 668 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: two thousand nine, So they're kind of losing hope that 669 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: they're ever going able to identify who they belong to. 670 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: And a lot of people are unidentified at this point. Well, 671 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: a lot of the families of the fort of the 672 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,280 Speaker 1: victims who haven't been identified, or saying keep trying, don't stop. 673 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: Medical Examiner and the people who are running the museum 674 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: are saying, no, we have a better place for him. 675 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,359 Speaker 1: Why don't we put them in the museum, And they 676 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 1: have it planned to put them behind a quote from 677 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: virgil Um that says, no day shell erase you from 678 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: the memory of time. And the letters themselves are going 679 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: to be made of World Trade Center steel. Um. But 680 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,800 Speaker 1: they're you know, a lot of people find the schoolish 681 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: and ghastly, like you can't put human remains on display. 682 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: And in this article in the New York Times, they 683 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: interviewed a lot of curators who are like, it depends, 684 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 1: you know, like you can't just put human remains in 685 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 1: a museum. You're not supposed to do that. But if 686 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 1: it's a memorial on the side of an atrocity, like 687 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:23,800 Speaker 1: Ashwitz has lots of human remains, Um, the Cahmer Rouge 688 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 1: Museum has all sorts of human remains. So this is 689 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: museum wise speaking appropriate. But really, I mean, it's up 690 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: to your you know, what you think is morally acceptable 691 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: or not. Yeah, I think what I read most of 692 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: the upset comes from the fact that they were underground 693 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: in the museum, and they were supposedly told that they 694 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,720 Speaker 1: were going to be kept in a in a tomb 695 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 1: right in the park, above ground, right and away from tourists. 696 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: Like this, this plan is to put them right in 697 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,760 Speaker 1: the exhibit, like here's some of the remains of the victims. 698 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,839 Speaker 1: But there would be tour I mean, I guess there 699 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: would be tourist up top as well, But I mean 700 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: I see their difference though. Yeah, no, there's a big 701 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 1: difference for sure. But I think just about everybody agrees 702 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 1: they should be kept on the site somewhere. It's just 703 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: in what capacity, right, Chuck. Let's say I have a 704 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 1: hundred bucks sitting around and I'm like, I want to 705 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 1: contribute to this memorial. What can I do? You can 706 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 1: buy a cobble stone. I was a little disappointed to 707 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: see that the cobble stones weren't engraved, because that's usually 708 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:33,399 Speaker 1: what you do. Yeah, there's a website that links your 709 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 1: cobble stone to your name, so it's not an actual 710 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,479 Speaker 1: engrave cobblestone. But you can still donate a hundred bucks, 711 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 1: I will get you a cobble stone on the path 712 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: of the plaza itself. Five dollars will get you a 713 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,360 Speaker 1: cobble stone on the memorial glade that we told you 714 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: about in A thousand bucks will get you one a 715 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 1: granite paper that will be a walkway to the memorial itself, 716 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: and that is a nine one on memorial dot org 717 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: slash donations, and I imagine you can just donate period 718 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,839 Speaker 1: if you want. You'll get your cobblestones but if that's 719 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: not important to you, then it's probably good good cause, 720 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: I would say. And if you're gonna be in New 721 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 1: York this September eleven, um, the September eleven Memorial will 722 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 1: officially open that day. And if you're going to be 723 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: in New York September eleven, two thousand twelve, the Memorial 724 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: Museum is expected to be open, then yeah, they're they're 725 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: people like our shooting video of the the waterfalls being 726 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: tested and stuff out of their office window and it's 727 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: um pretty amazing. So UM. We've got a couple of 728 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: articles on site. We have how the World Trade Center worked, 729 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: or I guess the World Trade Center is what it's called, um, 730 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,840 Speaker 1: and it's very comprehensive. I think Tom Harris wrote it, 731 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,840 Speaker 1: so you can type a World Trade Center and that 732 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,400 Speaker 1: should also bring up how the World Trade Center Memorial works, 733 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: which coming soon, right it. It It will be up by 734 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 1: the time this comes out, So yeah, I hope so um. 735 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 1: And again, if you want to learn more about the memorial, 736 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: you can go to nine one one Memorial dot org 737 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 1: um and you can donate there too. And uh is 738 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,400 Speaker 1: that it? I think this is our nine eleven podcast. 739 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,359 Speaker 1: We've been asked by a bunch of people to do one, 740 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: and and unless we're inspired to actual yeah, I actually 741 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 1: go over the grizzly details. I would say this will 742 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: serve you concur Yeah, I don't know if I want 743 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: to do that one. That's all right. Do you want 744 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: to send us an email? We'd love to hear from you. 745 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 1: Send it to Stuff Podcast at how stuff works dot com. 746 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: Be sure to check out our new video podcast, Stuff 747 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 1: from the Future. Join how Stuff Work staff as we 748 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:58,799 Speaker 1: explore them as promising and perplexing possibilities of tomorrow. Brought 749 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: to you by the reinvented two thousand and twelve Camry. 750 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 1: It's ready, Are you