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Speaker 1: your host, Rashan McDonald. Like I said every week on

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Speaker 1: Making Conversations with your host, Rashan McDonald. My next guest

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Speaker 1: is one of my favorite people have just recently came

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Speaker 1: in contact with. I'm from Houston, Texas. He's based in Dallas.

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Speaker 1: Texts justin ale Road or J Rhodes. He's an award

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Speaker 1: winning music producer, raptivis and creator from Dallas, Texas. He's

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Speaker 1: worked with artists like Dr Dre, The Craiz, The Game,

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Speaker 1: Rick Ross, Slim Third, Ka Flacker, and many more. Talented

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Speaker 1: artists have been backed by J. Rhodes Productions. But his

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Speaker 1: In six, Rhodes and his business partner Corey Williams go

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Speaker 1: head first into the world of film with little to

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Speaker 1: no experience. In less than five years, he's a mask.

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Speaker 1: Quite the resume and his next film, It's a Wonderful Plight.

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Speaker 1: It's a hip hop musical that attacks systematic racism through

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Speaker 1: song and authentic but lighthearted matter. The project went from

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Speaker 1: a mere idea to be in Dean one of the

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Speaker 1: biggest movies of the summer by USA today. Please work

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Speaker 1: Jay Rhodes, Man, thank you for having me. Man that

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Speaker 1: just the intro makes me you feel like somebody. I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate you. Shouts out to Dallas, shots out to Houston,

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Speaker 1: we're big Texas boys talking. Now we got a little beard.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm a little older, so I got J Rhodes. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not projecting anything on you, but I

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Speaker 1: you did the right thing. Though. Everybody has their day

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Speaker 1: and you made it work for you. So thank you

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Speaker 1: for having me on your wonderful shown all those illustrious

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Speaker 1: guests you have, and just it means so much to me,

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Speaker 1: just because like the fact that a lot of people

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Speaker 1: wait until somebody is already there to interview him. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad that you see the upward trajectory and that you

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Speaker 1: being me worth you know, your interview as we are

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Speaker 1: on our assent to the entertainment world. So I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate you and your team for having cool Hey j Rod,

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Speaker 1: what's gonna be real about you as a talent? You know, Um,

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Speaker 1: I've been pigeonholed. I've been told what I'm supposed to

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Speaker 1: be doing. I worked at I got my degrees in mathematics.

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Speaker 1: I would for IBM all these were you. And then

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Speaker 1: a stand up comedian. Then I became successful as a

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Speaker 1: stand up comedian, and I want to be a writer.

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Speaker 1: People go, why, why, why? Why you want to write? Why?

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Speaker 1: What's wrong with that? Then? That was a successful sitcom

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Speaker 1: who wha wha wha, wha, wha wha, why do you

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Speaker 1: want to manage him? And so along the way, people

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Speaker 1: will pigeonhole you being a successful producer and you decided

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Speaker 1: to embark in the visual world or even though you

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Speaker 1: have music videos as a music producer, but the film world.

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Speaker 1: Why did people question you? And how did you, I say,

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Speaker 1: respond to those questions? Man, that's a great that's a

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Speaker 1: great statement, great question, because when you have success to

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Speaker 1: something old people being success because people being success as

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Speaker 1: maybe monetary or if you're getting placements or if you're

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Speaker 1: aligned with certain individuals, and yes, that success to a point,

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Speaker 1: but the ultimate success is what makes you feel good.

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Speaker 1: And I love music, but just being a music producer only,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's a sense of uh, just waiting game

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Speaker 1: and that you may be no matter how dope they are.

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Speaker 1: artists and the connections to align yourself to make certain

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Speaker 1: But my thing is, as much as I love music,

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Speaker 1: production is so much more to that. I had so

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Speaker 1: much more talents than that. So success to me is

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Speaker 1: really fulfilling and going after your dreams. So I equated

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Speaker 1: It was a road that I was traveling. It was clear,

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Speaker 1: but that role ended at some point. Now for me

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Speaker 1: to get where I wanted to do as a film director,

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Speaker 1: I had to double back on that road turn around.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, the film role

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Speaker 1: was endless. So sometimes you have to do that and

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Speaker 1: just believe in yourself. People love to pigeonhole people like

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Speaker 1: even if you look at Will Smith, he started as

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Speaker 1: a rapper, right if you never would have talked to

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Speaker 1: Quincy Jones and jumped into there, there was a whole

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Speaker 1: another world for him with being an actor and with

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Speaker 1: being a content creator. So that's the same thing. Like

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Speaker 1: I say, once you master something, you do have to

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Speaker 1: master something and first don't get it twisted. But once

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Speaker 1: and then you can bring all those talents together. So,

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Speaker 1: like you said, that's what I do with films. So

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Speaker 1: that's what everybody do as much as you can do,

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Speaker 1: but just master each thing and then move on and

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Speaker 1: do something else. But be whatever you want to be.

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Speaker 1: It's never too late in life to say, hey, this

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Speaker 1: is cool, but I want to do something else. Now.

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Speaker 1: Your company, uh, ten nating one Pictures might help us

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Speaker 1: out with that name. Tenn one Pictures help us out

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Speaker 1: with that Uh to the distribution company that picked up

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Speaker 1: our film. So you know, I'm with Vincent's Rose Productors,

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Speaker 1: that's my film and music company, etcetera. Ten ninety one

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Speaker 1: Pictures is the distribution company. They do a lot of

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Speaker 1: Black History Months, right, but we were working out some

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Speaker 1: other deals and we were like, hey, well we may

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Speaker 1: not be able to do Black History Month, but let's

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Speaker 1: try to do something for June teenth. And you're from Texas,

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Speaker 1: so you know, you know what June teenth means to us.

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Speaker 1: So I kind of wanted that conversation to be going

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Speaker 1: you know, I always getting I always getna know with this.

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Speaker 1: they've been celebrating and you know at the house, you know,

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Speaker 1: y'at day off from work. It's been doing the real thing.

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Speaker 1: Now your your your skill set, man. You know when

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Speaker 1: when I look at you, man, you you're a wonderful person.

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Speaker 1: The movie, uh, It's a Wonderful Plight, which in my

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Speaker 1: mind is a takeoff of the famous It's a Wonderful

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Speaker 1: Life because you you go through a journey, you take

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Speaker 1: a white character, and let's talk about this white character

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Speaker 1: because uh, you know, hip hop music introduced a lot

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Speaker 1: of white, white um fans to music that used the

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Speaker 1: in word that then did the black culture. And so

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Speaker 1: I'm gonn telling something to go through the airport and

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Speaker 1: I could I could see a little white guys kids

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Speaker 1: with with headphones on and they're wrapping the lyrics and

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Speaker 1: they said they n't word low, of course, but they

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Speaker 1: were just there was nothing for them. Some of the

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Speaker 1: athletes in the NFL have gotten in trouble or in

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Speaker 1: basketball because they've said lyrics on their social media lines

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Speaker 1: because these are the lyrics that they referenced from music

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Speaker 1: that they heard. So this it was just a perfect

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Speaker 1: in row to develop in their storyline about a white

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Speaker 1: character who is accepting the white culture, the black culture,

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Speaker 1: but not living the white the black experience. Correct, yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: that's sir, That's exactly what that is. And we deal

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Speaker 1: with that every day. Um in the sense of everything,

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Speaker 1: like everything that black people touch just blows up in

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Speaker 1: look at what basketball players do from Michael Jackson, Lebron

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Speaker 1: James um Jay, z et cetera. Like our culture is

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Speaker 1: can be deemed ghetto whatever. But then when white culture

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Speaker 1: does it, then it becomes exceptive and popular. It's just

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Speaker 1: almost like gentrifying our style the same way they gentrified,

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Speaker 1: you know, our neighborhoods. And so the whole thing is

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Speaker 1: if if you love black culture so much, if we're

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Speaker 1: so embedded and ingrained in the United States when it

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Speaker 1: comes to entertainment, because even back in UM, back in

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Speaker 1: the old days, you know, like we can entertain you know,

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Speaker 1: white people, but we still couldn't sit at their tables,

634
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Speaker 1: but you know, we can entertain them. So it's almost

635
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's like, if we're so beautiful, if

636
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: you love our culture so much, you love our songs,

637
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: you love what we do, then you have to ingrain

638
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: yourself and our struggle and why our music is it is,

639
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: and why we have the rhythm that we have that

640
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: comes from a lot of struggle, that comes from a

641
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of things, and and it's not

642
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: all struggles. Sometimes we're so disconnected from our history that

643
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: we don't you know, we forget that we were kings

644
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: and queens because we never have lived that reality. But

645
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: it is the truth. And it's just the fact that um,

646
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: everyone in this country, man, they benefit from black culture.

647
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: And I just wanted the story to show to take

648
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: someone like that that you you you don't even know

649
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: that just because you don't have a kkkhood on or

650
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: you're not waving to Confederate flag, that you have some

651
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: you know, some ingrained racial issues in you. And that's

652
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: those are the things that we want to attack because

653
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: you know, if we love our culture, we come with that.

654
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: You know, Hey, j am, I am I talking to

655
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: the modern days, Spike Lee, Come on, man, my brother,

656
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: I love I love that. I will accept that, even

657
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: though that's those the big shoes to feel. I think

658
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: in one with where I'm going and how how like

659
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: my thing is. I can make other type of films,

660
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: but I just feel all my films will they have

661
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: they have racial undertones because I feel that everything in

662
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: the world has those undertones. And I love Spike Lee.

663
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 1: I love what he's contributed and contributing to the culture.

664
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: So honestly, man, I will wear that, and uh and

665
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: I will I will really try to make good on that.

666
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: But I'm here, and as long as God give me breath,

667
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna speak our stories in the real, true, true way,

668
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna speak truth to power. So thank you

669
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 1: for that. You you made my day with that comparison.

670
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: Hey man, I'll tell you, because there's humor, you you you're, you're, you're,

671
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: you're not only the music side, but the visual side

672
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: that you're walking into the film side of it, and

673
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: your self talk and this whole arena. So it's a

674
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: lot of authentic and and you know, you're doing things

675
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: on film that people go, you're not supposed to do

676
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: it that way. Well, that's the way I want to

677
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: do it, you know, I want to shoot it that way.

678
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: And that brings out an element of of of of freshness,

679
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: I want to say. And I'm watching you talk and

680
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 1: watching you you participate to be a part of because

681
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you are on screen as well

682
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: as behind the screen. You're right, and you're directing. But

683
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: like they said, man, black man, make it, white man,

684
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: take it man man, and um, yeah, man, you you know,

685
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: first of all, not only this is a dope interview

686
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: just because it's a dope interview, but you know, I've

687
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 1: done so many of these. But it's just the fact

688
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: that I see you really are picking up on things

689
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: that I've put in the film. And it's cool when

690
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: because people see things on the surface level, but I

691
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: really appreciate the fact that you kind of see the

692
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: in depth things that it's not traditional filming. It's not

693
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: traditional camera angles. But the same way Spike Lee has

694
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: that Dolly effect and he brought something new to the game,

695
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: I think with our camera angles and with our our cool,

696
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: you know, unapologetic take on filming and storytelling that we

697
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: do bring something a different to the industry and being

698
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: self taught, uh, you know has a lot to do

699
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: with that. So it's I appreciate you really seeing that

700
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: because we we pride ourselves on being original and on

701
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: being unique and telling our stories in a different way.

702
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: You know. Well, you know, general just laughing because as

703
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: I as I interview, I'm just going through different parts

704
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: of the of the movie. And uh, before I even

705
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: get in detail, tell everybody about the movie, and tell

706
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: everybody why you made the movie. Second, let's make sure

707
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: they're separate, responsive well about the movie and why you

708
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: made the movie. And we're talked about the white Plight. Okay,

709
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: So it's a wonderful flight about the movie. It's a movie.

710
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: It's a hip hop musical, and it takes Scott a

711
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: character with Joseph the hotel who's you know, kind of

712
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: like this woke spirit. It's kind of like it's a

713
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: wonderful Life meets a Christmas Carol, but instead of going

714
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 1: through the ghost of Christmas past President Future, we're taking

715
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: the character through you know, woke past President future, like

716
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: taking them through the Atlantic slave trade, taking them through

717
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: the civil rights movement, and you know, modern day gentrification,

718
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: et cetera. Just to enlightened, because I think a lot

719
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: of times people and white people are ignorant um to

720
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: these facts. You know, So basically about the film, let

721
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: me start with stay with about the film, but that

722
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: that's pretty much the gist and at the end, the

723
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: whole thing. What we're calling it is ally training to

724
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: help Scott to some of his biases and prejudices that

725
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: he may not even know knew that he had, in

726
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: order to create an ally and in order to really

727
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: make a better world. And the reason that I made

728
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: it is because if I can start there, I think

729
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: racism is a problem that black people didn't create, right,

730
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: But we're always tasked with reading ourselves over what can

731
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: we do to end racism? What can we We didn't

732
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: create it? And I got that from uh Daniel Calue,

733
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: I I hate he's one of my favorite actors. I

734
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: hope I'm not pronouncing his name wrong, and if I am,

735
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: I need to get it right. But it's just that

736
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: whole fact, like we didn't create it, So we're targeting,

737
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: you know, in instance, the people and the ancestors who

738
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: created it, so that they can be tasked with knowing

739
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: what they can do to help, you know, make make

740
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: this a better world. But at the same time, you know,

741
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: we did make it for for We made it for us.

742
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: We were unapologetic. We wanted to make something for us.

743
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: Like it was a lot of people like, hey, you know,

744
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: I know that this is an inndie film, but if

745
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: you want to get it here, you may need to

746
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: do this to appease this certain group or peas this

747
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: certain group. We didn't do that at all. We were like, hey,

748
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna make. They're gonna either get

749
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: with it or it's the right. People don't get with it.

750
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: And and if you know people that don't get with it,

751
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't for them. I think black people have the

752
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: right to make films that are for them Hollywood, and

753
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: white people don't have to, you know, you know, Taylor

754
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: their stuff too, you know, for the masses, they just

755
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: make it and you have to get with it. So

756
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: it's fair for us to have those same type of films.

757
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: And that's it's a wonderful plight. Well, I'll be telling you,

758
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: first of all, apologize. I said white plight. It's a

759
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: wonderful plight. It's the name of the movie. I mean

760
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: of you and j Rhodes straight out of Dallas, Texas,

761
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: And there's some funny moments in this movie throughout. I

762
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: always tell people sometimes you can deliver a message through

763
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: humor because of my background is a comedian. But truth

764
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,959
Speaker 1: comes out of humor because you're taking it, You're getting

765
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: it from somewhere. I'm telling you, you can't tell the joke.

766
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: The joke came from something you saw, something you experienced

767
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: in common. You just bend it. So when the information

768
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: comes out, it's funny. Now. One of the at the

769
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: fairy top of the movie, the character says Scott. Scott

770
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: is the typical. He's into the black culture. His roommates

771
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: say he loves the black culture. But his roommate even

772
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: questions him, but he denies it. So when he goes

773
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: on this journey led by the character that Jay Rhodes plays,

774
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: he starts to get insight on things that he are

775
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: typically let me slover they down. When you watch CNN,

776
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: CNN will make you believe that are especially Fox News,

777
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: that make you believe that all black people are welfare,

778
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: all black people out there, committee crimes, all black only

779
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 1: black people are in jail. That's the story they want

780
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: to tell because it strikes fear and it can resonate

781
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: with a certain audience that they want to watch their network,

782
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 1: especially on Fox News. And so your journey is tapping

783
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: into somebody a character that says he's pro black, as

784
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: you say an ally, but as he goes through and

785
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: one of the great questions at the very top was gentrification.

786
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: And he as fonse and you said, and this is

787
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: a long paul this is what I'm talking about, just

788
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: doing stuff that he would do that nobody would tell him.

789
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: It's a long Paulity go man, I'm gonna slap you.

790
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: Based on his response, that is so funny to me

791
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: because that is so real. And so when you when

792
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: you're developing these these relationships with the actor on screen,

793
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 1: talk about Scott's character, because he is white in real life,

794
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: what did he learned from the script and the journey

795
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 1: that this movie put him on in real life? Well,

796
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: in real life. The funny thing and I'm gonna be

797
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: a little short weeded, but it's funny that you asked

798
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: that the more interviews were having the more it's getting unveiled.

799
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: To be totally honest, and we're working that out. But

800
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: in real life he passed out our training. I mean

801
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: in um, in the movie, he passed out our training

802
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: and we thought everything was good, but there was some

803
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: situations before the film blew up that in real life,

804
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,959
Speaker 1: I think he failed out our training. Like on our tour,

805
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: we haven't been as this movie is receiving so much success,

806
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: you know, um, uh, the actor who played Scotty Brian,

807
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: he hasn't been you know, with us on a tour, etcetera.

808
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: Because there was a lot of things where you know,

809
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: I think it's uh, I don't know exactly what happened,

810
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: but there were some there were some things we were

811
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: where we had had a falling out because of some

812
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: of the messaging when we knew what the messenger was

813
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: gonna be before. But as the film you know, developed,

814
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: and as he really in real life knew what he

815
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: was taking on before the success of course and how

816
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: big it was gonna be, it got a little scary

817
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: for him. So to be totally honest, the film actually

818
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: was imitating life because in the real world, once it

819
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: really came to like really the whole thing about It's

820
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: a wonderful play is white people putting down their privileges

821
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: and accepting the scars figuratively that our people have told literally. Yes,

822
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: So there was artwork where you know, just and you

823
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: you're getting exclusive because you deserve it. If there was artwork,

824
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: initial art work that we were gonna put out that

825
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: had like a white man, it was it was graphic,

826
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: but we ended up not going with it because it

827
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: wasn't the tenor of the film. But we were experimenting

828
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: and it was a white man with slashes on his

829
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: back spelled out It's a wonderful play and it wasn't

830
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: to be. Uh. The whole point of it, even though

831
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: it was graphic, was like, if you want to be

832
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: an allied, this is the stuff that you have to endure.

833
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: You have to take the figurative lashes of slavery and

834
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: the figurative lashes that our ancestors received. He was very

835
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: upset and hurt by the artwork, and it was more like, hey,

836
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's just expression. And secondly, even if you

837
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: were upset, we can talk about it. Thirdly, the whole

838
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: point is that you passed that love training in the film.

839
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: But it's also like in the real world, if you're

840
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: so upset by these figurative lashes of some artwork that

841
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: nobody has not even yet seen, like, then how do

842
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: you think that me and my ancestors feel about the

843
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: literal of lashes that we have gotten, even to this

844
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: day were getting, you know, unlawfully killed by police brutality

845
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: and unfairly prisoned. That a more him in rates. So

846
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: that's a great question, and I can go all day

847
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: on that God bless him as an actor than I'm

848
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: very thankful for him contributing his skill set to this film.

849
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: But it's still I think we're all still healing from

850
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: a lot of things that this that this film has

851
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: brought about, when we were having to face real truths. Well,

852
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, as you said, Jay Rose, I'm into this movie.

853
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: Come into who you are. And that's why the questions

854
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: in my background allows me to ask the question I

855
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: asked about the actor, because it's it's different when you

856
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: get into the moment. You can listen to the music,

857
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: you can walk away. He's he's he's he's um constructive

858
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: work of art. Like I was talking about wife and

859
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 1: she was saying, we always noticed how many interracial couples

860
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: are more commercial TV. Commercials not look at TV. Remember

861
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: just five years ago when they got mad when on

862
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: the Cheerios when the little white kid woke up up,

863
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 1: the little kid woke up the dad and the mom

864
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: was white. Now they were mad at that five years ago.

865
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: Now you can't turn on TV and not see interracial opportunities, relationship,

866
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: land in bed, telling mattresses, buying calls, eating, had birds together.

867
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: Because that's where we're at. And so let's go back

868
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: to twenty and this was the reality of black and white,

869
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: the George Floyd's situation. When that happened, I can tell

870
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: you I got a number of calls from white people,

871
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: people who I do business with, people call me their

872
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: friends who were stunned. And that's what your character is

873
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: in this a wonderful plight. He stunned because he thought

874
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: he understood black culture through the music. He thought he

875
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 1: understood the pain, he thought he understood the racism. And

876
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: that's the beauty of your movie is that you're telling

877
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: people you have to experience it. If you want to

878
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: know how it feels, the living the hood, Come living

879
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: the hood. You want to how to experience. But unless

880
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: you change your skin color, you will never truly understand

881
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: the burden that we care. That's powerful. J Roods. That's

882
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 1: really powerful, man, it is, and it's it's a blessing

883
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: because this is the beginning of just the strong descent

884
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: and to this this um just the way the film

885
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: is gone worldwide. So it feels good to you know,

886
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: hear from people like you that understand why I did

887
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: it and appreciate why I did it, and appreciate the

888
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: messaging and get it, you know what I mean. It's

889
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: like and people can get it on a lot of

890
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: different levels. Like it's some people that get it on

891
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 1: the first tier level, like the music is great and

892
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: he's talking about certain things, but it's people like you

893
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: that get it on all the different layers, and that's

894
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: even more rewarding. But I'm happy that we got to

895
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: put this work of art out into the world because

896
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: if you think about any revolution that has started and

897
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: anything culture that has changed, it has come from the arts,

898
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, the arts and spearheaded that. So it's like

899
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: I think in this day and age, they fooled us

900
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: to think that slavery was gone and and and and

901
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: things were gone, but they're still there, they're just you know, hidden.

902
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: I think you know some administrations that help it come

903
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: out more on the forefront, but art like this, where

904
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: people appreciate and they get it's really going to help

905
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: move the culture and really help spark a conversation, and

906
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: not just the conversation because I think I'm not opposed

907
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: to march. I'm not opposed to conversations, but I'm just

908
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: my thing is I'm opposed to going on the hamster

909
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: wheel and the merry go round. Right, It's time for

910
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: things to really change. It's time for us to really

911
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: get what we want. As much as I love June tenth,

912
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to go on the tangent, but now

913
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm just speaking from the heart. As much as June

914
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: teink is close to me, we didn't. It's cool that

915
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: it's a national holiday. That's not what we ask for.

916
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: We'll take it, we'll take the day off, but we

917
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 1: ask them for reparations, to be asking for fairir treatment

918
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: and we're just asking to be equal. And they're lucky,

919
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: like man, I forget this video, that's all. They're lucky

920
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: that we're just asking for equality and not revenge. And

921
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: as you know, what I'm saying, so not to just

922
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: go too harder to It's time for real changes and

923
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: in our art, in our raptivism, and then everything we do,

924
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: we need to be expressing that. So I'm just so

925
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: happy that this music is getting I mean that this

926
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,479
Speaker 1: movie is getting the lightshed on it that it should

927
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: well you know the thing about it, And thank you

928
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: for those comments, and uh echo the sentiment of what

929
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: you're saying. You know, it's like you know you can.

930
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: We're so humble because we don't want to get pushed

931
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: in the page or kick in the faith by asking

932
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: for too much of what we rightfully deserve because guess what,

933
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 1: we're already getting kicked and we're not even asking. Okay,

934
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: so you know what I'm saying. So if you start

935
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: to ask, what happens? Then can I go at my home?

936
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 1: It's somebody waiting to take me out because I want

937
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: to make a little noise about what I deserve. But

938
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: in music, music is a beautiful thing, and that's that's

939
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: your base, that's where you your your your fame grew

940
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: as a producer. But music is always given activists or

941
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: civil rights leaders or black movements a voice, and the

942
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: music has some ways. You know, when you go in

943
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: the sixties, and then when this co came out, all

944
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: activism music died. They had nothing to say that we

945
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: brought back activism was basically rap music, okay, and it

946
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: brought it back. It brought it back with forced and

947
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: so it's creamed the plight up the ghetto. This is

948
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: how we live. This is what's happening to us. Just

949
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: a police treating us and everybody. And they pushed back

950
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: on that. And now when I see what you're doing

951
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: out with film, that's why, that's why I have to

952
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: be a complimentary of you. You're just taking a gift

953
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: that you you have. You have, you have honed in

954
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: music and listened and live. Now you're putting it on

955
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 1: the screen. Man, that's beautiful work. Brother. You cannot stop

956
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: j Rhoades. You can't just start of what you're meant

957
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: to do. Music will always be a basis. I'm telling something.

958
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the music, but the music is

959
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: cold outstand that out and here's the beauty of his music.

960
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: He's teaching you, he's educating you with the music. I'm like, man,

961
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know I'm older Neusic, I

962
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: gotta play stuff back. A couple of times. You get

963
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: the lyrics right there saying, but man, your cold sold

964
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: your brother, you're a cold sol thank you my brother,

965
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you so much man. That means everything.

966
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: And speaking of the music, um, most of the music

967
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 1: was made first before he wrote the script, Like that's

968
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: what happened. So we built the script around the music,

969
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: and that's why the music is the center. But that's

970
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: why it all connects together. But I did the song

971
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: about the rest is Soul God blessed the Dead of

972
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,959
Speaker 1: both John. I wrote that one on the spot because

973
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: we weren't even gonna do a song about it, but

974
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 1: we wanted to pay pop proper and a respectful tribute

975
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: to his situation in his family. We didn't want to

976
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: make it a trauma porn, but we did want to

977
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: talk about the situation. And like we we wrote it

978
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: or I wrote it like the Fresh Prince of bel Air,

979
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: but in the very you know, because it's it's it's

980
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: that just just this position and um kind of like

981
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: the contradiction of the Fresh Prince of bell Air kind

982
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: of song. But at the same time we're talking, we're

983
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: rapping in the light hand party manner about something so

984
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 1: serious and so vow just being in your home, minding

985
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: your business and becoming a criminal and getting killed. And

986
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: so I say that to say the music is, uh,

987
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: most of it was wrote before the film. Some things

988
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: were created after, but even some of the other artists

989
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: that contributed their music from Us Side of the Goddess

990
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: to Van del andrew Um and my boy Clayborn mixed

991
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: a lot of the joints. Whether I'm missing I apologize

992
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: blaming on my mind, not my heart, but it all

993
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: it made a great musical palette and I love it

994
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: because it's in that statement. I'm not even a big

995
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: fan of traditional musicals, you know, I like them, They okay,

996
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: But I didn't want this to come off corny or musically.

997
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: I wanted to be more of a film that was

998
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: assisted by music. And I'm gonna be making a part two,

999
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,479
Speaker 1: and I think that's the same formula that I'm gonna

1000
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: do because it's a lot of people that aren't even

1001
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: big fans of musicals that really love this. And I

1002
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: think it's because the music is so hard and so

1003
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, real, and and it's it's just like like

1004
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: a hip hop musical and that's why I titled that.

1005
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, man, um, it's just beautiful music.

1006
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: You know. I'm talking to Jay Rhodes. His movie. It's

1007
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: a wonderful Plight. It's a hip hop musical that a

1008
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: tax systematic racism through songs and an authentic but lighthearted manner.

1009
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: And it's funny and it's it's fun it's dramatic, it's

1010
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: um a statement killer, it's a it's a journey through history.

1011
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 1: The project with from a mirror idea of being deemed

1012
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: not as being deemed one of the biggest movies of

1013
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: the summer by USA today. But let's talk about j

1014
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: Rhodes One Stop Shop is a director, editor, sound design

1015
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: and film score. This allows his vision to impeccably come

1016
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: to us. Here's a quote, I'm gonna reshape. His mission

1017
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: is to tell his story and the story of our

1018
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: people and your unique, creative, forward thinking and empowering way.

1019
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: That's j Rhodes. You are a blessing, my friend, You

1020
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: are a giving your brother your talents. Please keep me

1021
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: in a little with you, Mary. I want to promote

1022
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: and hype anything you do and if you if if

1023
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: something comes out, J Rhodes and I don't know about

1024
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: it to it in forty miles separates Houston from Dallas.

1025
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: Last come come for I'm coming. I'm come on fight.

1026
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 1: Just let you know I know how fall you off

1027
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Speaker 1: from Houston. I definitely can get down there on Delta

1028
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Speaker 1: Airlines from Atlanta, Georgia, because you especially have to worry

1029
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: about that. You're gonna have to worry about Atlanta. You're like,

1030
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna anything that I do, You're gonna be tapped

1031
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: in it. Um. I really appreciate you and thank you

1032
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: for having me. Man again, man, uh, I'm you know

1033
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: Amazon Prime. I'm watching that tonight, checking it out with

1034
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 1: my family. My daughter, she's she says, she's in college.

1035
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: She needs to see this. Everybody needs to see this.

1036
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: But more importantly, we need to find out who are

1037
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: allies on and she won't put them to work just

1038
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: because you listen to our music. That ain't if we

1039
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: got to put them to the TI. I love it, man.

1040
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: Thank you j Rules for coming on money Making Conversation.

1041
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. We will be right back

1042
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,200
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1046
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Speaker 1: next guest is Victor Dura Jr. He's the president and

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Speaker 1: the executive director of broad Mentorship dot org. Victor is

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Speaker 1: a nonprofit leader, a nonprofit leader and has been recognized

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Speaker 1: on numerous occasions for its community development work. Victor recently

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Speaker 1: received the one Community Leadership Award from Atlanta Entertainment, Basketball

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00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: League and Slam Magazine for his work with athletes and mentoring.

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00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: He is currently attending Clemson University and plans to receive

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00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 1: his master's in Public Administrations and serves on the board

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00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: for Habitat for Humanity. Victor has been recognized three consecutive

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Speaker 1: years as a top professional in the nonprofit field by

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Speaker 1: the Spartanburg and South Carolina. Just let everybody know we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk to the South Carolina ball here, Chamber of Commerce.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome the President and executive director of broad as

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Speaker 1: b R. You H b R, you H Mentorship dot Org.

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00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: Victor Dura Jr. My brother, how you doing? I'm doing good, brother,

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00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: and I'm glad to be here today. I'll get here well.

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00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm doing well. Man. You know, just get out of

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00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: the box. You know, we're both fraternity man. Man, we

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00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: are both fraternity man. Okay to putting it out like that.

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00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: But he just happens to be a member of Capasathe.

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00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: That's all right, that's all right. I still love him

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00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: all the cues, still love him. I love him. I'm

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00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: an old dog. I love this young nude. But I

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00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: just wanna get that because love and love. But you

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00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: know the thing about the reason I wanted to bring

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00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: that out to the top, because you know, the basis

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00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: of all Black Greek fraternity is about community, is about uplift,

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00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: is about brotherhood, and that is why they're they're found

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00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: and plus education and mentorship and so a lot of people,

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00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: it gets lost to a lot of people the core

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00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: basis of what the black fraternities all because they hear

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00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: by party and they're here by stepping. They're here about

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00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: all these things walking in if your yard, you know,

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00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: stuff like that, looking tough. Things like that tell us

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00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: about your experience and the values that have been brought

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00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: to you, positive values, because a lot of negative things

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00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: you're always about the lawsuits or a bad played situation

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00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: that they didn't go right. For students, which we don't

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00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: that we don't agree upon, that we don't acknowledge that

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00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: something that should happen in any black or white fraternity

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00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: or sorority. But it is a lot of positive things

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00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: that come out of joining an organization like the CALF

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00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: APHA side as it is like Omega Sci Fire. But

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00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: talk about your CALF experience that you had. I'm assuming

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00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: it is at the Universal of South Carolina, University of

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00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: South Carolina, upstate. Well man, it's not point to tell

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00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: about your experience, So I'll tell you my first UM

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00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: deep um and enriching experience with community service came UM

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00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: from activities with CALP Alpha Side. I served as the

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00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: Community Service Chairman also known as the God Right Chairman

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00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: UH for three and a half years while I was

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00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: in college. And to be honest with you, when you

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00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: here BRO it stands for Brothers Restoring Urban Hope Incorporated.

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00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:24,439
Speaker 1: And when we started Brothers Restoring Urban Hope sixteen years ago,

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00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: it was with our fraternity Brothers, So you know, on

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00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: my campus, you know what I mean, we were known

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00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: as the Brothers and UH and and we started out

1143
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: really coming together and providing mentoring opportunities for our campus

1144
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: through the fraternity and um we did it with bros

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00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,439
Speaker 1: when you think about it, and UM and even other

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00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: fraternity So we do a lot of stuff with Omega

1147
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: sa fire, but we were founded on that principal achievement

1148
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: in every field of human endeavor. And you're right that

1149
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: does get lost, um when you think about fraternities. But

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01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: that's where I found my passion. UM so soft the

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01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: cop out facade and UM all the brothers um that

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01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: that are out there serving. Yeah. You know like I tell,

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01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: I tell all my friends, you know, telling that when

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01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: I pleasure to make us out of fire, it directed me,

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01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: It gave me vision. It really uh you know we

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01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: always have a fire inside of us, victor a fire

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01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: to just first of all, I find ourselves and when

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01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: you're around other bros, which I really relate to because

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01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: you know, you know that stuff this level have been

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01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: out of a long time and the fact that you

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01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: guys have turned it into b r U age bro

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01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: is guided by the principle that all students, regardless of

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01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: socio economic status, family dynamics, nationality, or past failures, deserve

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01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: a chance at a bright future that we represents and

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01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: you guys have built it out into an organization that's powerful.

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01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: And like when I pledge, you know, getting with government chiefs,

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01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: I would getting doing parties, you know, to give money

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01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: to low local community organizations, and because that's what I

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01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: was supposed to do now. But that doesn't mean that

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01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: people see it that way. See they see it as

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01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: a challenge. But I look at your resume, Victor, I

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01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: don't see giving back as a challenge to you. Talk

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01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: about your personality, my man, man UM, I've always um

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01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: have been in fortunate situations. UM. I grew up UM

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01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: in a single parent home. UM. I have two brothers,

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01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: one older, one younger, UM, all who pledged cap Alfasa. UM.

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01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: I actually pledged my younger brother through cap Alfasa. But

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01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: I understand from from a long time ago that UM

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01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: where I grew up at UM, things could have turned

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01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: left real fast. And had I not had mentors and

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01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: uh folks in my life, UM such as my my

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01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: basketball coaches, UM, my pastor um um uh my my

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01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: my real good friends UM that were kind of pointing

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01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: us in the right direction of UM of doing more

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01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: than just graduating high school and stand in the local

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01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: town and and just doing whatever. UM. I understood early

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01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: on that I had a responsibility once I got to

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01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: a place, um of of some type of success, to

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01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: to reach back and pour into my community. And I've

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01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: always just had that about me. Um, and and it's

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01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: and it's and it's morphed into a passion. So when

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01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: I go to work, um, it's not work. Um, this

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01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: is this is life. You know what I mean? This

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01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: is this is easy. Every day is an adventure. When

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01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: I wake up, um, to to serve. And that's in

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01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: the community capacity, in the church and in the schools. Okay, cool. Now,

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01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: when I when I looked at the mission, you know,

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01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: because there's so much, it continued. One thing I liked

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01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: about everything I read. It was like a continual thought.

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01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: You know. You know that broke You didn't break mission

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01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: And the word the mission is restoring the urban community

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01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: through group membership, which goes back to our fraternity talk

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01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: leadership trail, which we all knew. Hey, man, you learned

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01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: leadership in the fraternity. You learned it. You know, Like

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01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not turning this into a pro fraternity,

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01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: but I gotta go. We made us, man, maybe we

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01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: made us be able to have these conversations as the

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01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: reality that men came into our life. Who are strangers?

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01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: And I said, they did all the right things. I

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01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. Someone was stupid, Okay, you know

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01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, Victors. Someone was stupid. But in

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01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: the end, when you crossed and you became, when you

1213
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: was able to define yourself as a man victor and

1214
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: defining yourself and your other brothers listened to you and say, hey, man,

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01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: we have a bigger calling, a bigger cause. And that's

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01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: where you Also in your mission statement you talk about

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01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: spiritual guidance. And that's the last thing you say in

1218
01:03:55,520 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: your mission statement. Why is that so important? Man um?

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01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: Even though it's mentioned last, it's the most important piece

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01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: Um of brothers restoring urban hope. When you think about hope,

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01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: you think about the spirit of the man, and you

1222
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: gotta have a strong spirit. You gotta have a fighting spirit.

1223
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: You have to have a positive spirit. UM. You have

1224
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: to have a uh in my case, a spirit of

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01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: God Um in order to have hope in this world

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01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 1: that we live in. UM. So as we talk about

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01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,919
Speaker 1: building up the man um or or the female, because

1228
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: we serve females too. When you when you talk about

1229
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: building them up, UM, to teach them leadership skills UM

1230
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: to to teach them um or or try and mentor them.

1231
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: You you, you, you have to deal with the spirit

1232
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: of that person too, and that's that's their help UM,

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01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: that's their mental spirit, that's their um. You know that spirituality,

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01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: UM is everything that makes up that person. So we

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01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: have to deal with that also, especially our young black

1236
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: African American brothers and sisters. We really have to deal

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01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: with the spirit before we even start talking about restoring hole.

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01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: You know, Victor, when I when I look at you,

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01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: you know, first of all, I'm proud of you, Okay,

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01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: proud of because you're younger than me. I always tell

1241
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: people my path is to make your path easier. And

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01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: that's what you're doing for people in your mentorship campaigns

1243
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: male and female. And you know, being recognized for your

1244
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: community development work. You know, you're on the board of

1245
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: Habitaty Manner for Humanity. How does that? Um? You know,

1246
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 1: do you have time for anything? Bro? That's what I'm saying.

1247
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: You do you have time? You know? Because I'll just

1248
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: tell you I left out a lot of stuff. Okay,

1249
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: I just went through and say, okay, this is recognizable.

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01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: You are a busy man. And your service, Victor is

1251
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: to the community. And then I go back to that

1252
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: because that gets lost because when I grew up, you know,

1253
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: there were people who I grew up in the hood

1254
01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: with the filth war Texas and we moved to a

1255
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: at the hood, you know, because you know, it was

1256
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: just so much money didn't get you out of the

1257
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: original hood. But along the way, there were teachers who

1258
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: kept me right, you know, told me you you you unique,

1259
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:15,919
Speaker 1: you have unique skills. Who are the people who kept

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01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: you focused early on you know, like because I know

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01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 1: I can tell you, for I can tell you my

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01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: sixth grade teacher stopped me in the hallway. I can

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01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: remember that very clearly. I can remember my eighth grade

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01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 1: teacher always used to just pour into me knowledge. I

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01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: can remember my band instructor, you know, Mr. King, I

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01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 1: can remember Ms. Trailer who is my biology teacher. M

1267
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: Ms Nelson who is my math teaching. I hated math

1268
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: and my degree in college math okay, And so so

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01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: these people poured into me, and now you're pouring into

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01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: the community who poured into you, Victor, um, I had

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01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 1: three uh phases in life where I can point back

1272
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: to that were very impactful. It was my basketball career.

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01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: When I was in high school, UM, getting ready to

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01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: go to college and get my first scholarship playing basketball. UM,

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01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: I had a coach that that really really showed tough love. UM.

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01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: He didn't let me off the hook for anything. His

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01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 1: name is Coach how McManus, UM, and I still remember

1278
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 1: vividly the first camp UM that he put me out

1279
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: of because I had some disciplinary issues and but but one,

1280
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: but what but what he did was put his foot down.

1281
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: And now I looked back on it, he was teaching

1282
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: me a lesson of discipline. And when I was at

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01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: home waiting for everybody else to come back from Kemp,

1284
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: all I kept winding back in my mind was, Man,

1285
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm missing out on an opportunity. And he didn't give

1286
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: up on me. You know what I mean that they

1287
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: came back, They checked up on me once everybody got back.

1288
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: But I learned my lesson early. UM. I had another mentor.

1289
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: His name is Jermaine Grave. He's actually a brove George. UM,

1290
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: He's a he's an omega and he was one of

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01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: the guys in the neighborhood that actually UM graduated with

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01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: honors and went off to college. So that was somebody

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01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: that we were able to look at and see like wow,

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01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: he did it. And he took me under his wing,

1295
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 1: and he told me a long time ago, he told me,

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01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: and we still had his conversation to his day. He said,

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01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 1: you always had that leadership um quality. And he said,

1298
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: it's up to you, you know how far you go.

1299
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: And I just remember taking us to church and you know,

1300
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:44,799
Speaker 1: really showing us what college life was like on his campus.

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01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 1: And then third and then that third phase was in

1302
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 1: my work field, which was one of the most important

1303
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 1: phases that I went through. I worked in corporate um

1304
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: for a little bit about eight and a half years,

1305
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 1: but I met two young I met two brothers is UM.

1306
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: One of them is your fraternity brother and M and

1307
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 1: another one UM is in management, still with the same company.

1308
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: But they always would tell me, don't ever ever ever

1309
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: put your hope in man. Don't you ever do it,

1310
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: especially in this arena. And and they taught me how

1311
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: to play the game. They taught me how to speak

1312
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 1: the language. They taught me how to not be so

1313
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: uh caught up in my feelings per se with certain

1314
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: things that were going on in the workplace, but to

1315
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:38,719
Speaker 1: always outthink, um, your oppressive and those kinds of things

1316
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 1: right there help me maneuver in the space that I'm

1317
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 1: in now as far as relationship building, working in on

1318
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: the professional setting, and also giving that knowledge back to

1319
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: some of our youth UM that are headed into college

1320
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: and or graduating UM college. So as I think about

1321
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 1: those three phases, those are five people that I can

1322
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 1: say we'll be on the shadow of a doubt, I

1323
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 1: still stay in touch with to this data out of

1324
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: a major impact on my life. Cool. I'm talking to

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01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: Victor dorra jr. Uh. You know, he's the president executive

1326
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: director of a broad mentorship dot org. Now I'm kind

1327
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 1: of confused, now, brought I gotta be really honest about this.

1328
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 1: He just mentioned to Omega Man. But they were valuable

1329
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 1: in his life that pointed him in the right direction.

1330
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 1: But obviously he came here. Obviously he was directed by

1331
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: his older brother who told him new part that he

1332
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,560
Speaker 1: became up. I'm trying to figure that out. I just

1333
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,679
Speaker 1: had to bring that out. He's gonna mention to another

1334
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 1: mega MANA give you credit that to Omega Man kept

1335
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 1: me on the right track. But man, that's important. That's why,

1336
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 1: that's why it's so beautiful you to say that, because

1337
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: at the beginning of our interview, I was just talking

1338
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:55,959
Speaker 1: about the role that fraternal men played in the community

1339
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 1: that we don't get credit for. Not that we're looking

1340
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: for credit, don't get me wrong, but they're so many

1341
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: like HBCUs get that don't give respect for the education

1342
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,679
Speaker 1: that they provide and the people that they have working

1343
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 1: in this country and just changing the conference of the country. Now,

1344
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 1: education still is important to you. Now you went to

1345
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 1: the University of South Carolina. Is that the game Cocks?

1346
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: That's the game car Okay, cool, I'm trying to figure out.

1347
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: I gotta lit you, Victor. Now you're over at Clemson.

1348
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: How are you doing all this? Man? How you getting

1349
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: help from the brothers of Megasi fire? You're going to

1350
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: your versus South Carolina. Now you're over Clemson University? You

1351
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 1: all over the place? Victor talked to me, Man, what's

1352
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: going on with you? Benny? Um? So so so at

1353
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:42,679
Speaker 1: HEREFC up State, which is UH an extension of USC,

1354
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: but it's here in my hometown and Spartanburg. That's where

1355
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 1: I got my nonprofit administration and management. Um, that's how

1356
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 1: I got into the field. Um that I'm am in

1357
01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 1: today and with Clemson UM they haven't excellent UM UM

1358
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 1: Master MP a program that focuses on nonprofit UM work,

1359
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 1: and so it was just a good match UM for

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01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 1: for the skill set that I'm looking for UM as

1361
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: far as nonprofit work goes and the administrative space. Now, now,

1362
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 1: why do you have to go further with the academic training?

1363
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: When we say, hey, man, you got all easily. You

1364
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 1: get an awards for what you're accomplishing. You know you

1365
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're fluent, your articulate, you have a

1366
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: you know where you're going with your life. Why does

1367
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 1: want you to continue education in this platform? Right? UM?

1368
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 1: So when you think about nonprofit work UM. I know

1369
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people think about the services UM. A

1370
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 1: lot of people think about UM. You know, the the

1371
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 1: volunteers UM. A lot of people think about UM the

1372
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 1: ways that different nonprofits affect people's life UM. But when

1373
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,560
Speaker 1: you talk to a lot of nonprofit professionals in the

1374
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: administration UM space, UM, you'll hear UM lingos such as

1375
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: grant writing, capacity, a building, UM. You'll hear lingos such

1376
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:18,560
Speaker 1: as UM you know, fundraising, endowments UM. A lot of

1377
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 1: back house administrative work UM that that comes with the

1378
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 1: different I R s UM, UM stipulations and things on

1379
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 1: raising money. And that's those are our our specialties UM

1380
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: and our skill set UM that a lot of our

1381
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: African American UM nonprofit professionals UM. And it's you know,

1382
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 1: it's it's across the board UM. From an equity standpoint,

1383
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 1: we don't have a lot of those skills UM. And

1384
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: we have a lot of good works UM. We have

1385
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 1: a lot of great programs and we run a lot

1386
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 1: of good programs UM. But when you look at the

1387
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: fundraising and the amount of money that is out there,

1388
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: you really have to know your stuff. UM. You really

1389
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 1: have to understand what you're getting into UM when you're

1390
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: trying to raise you know, to three million dollars a year,

1391
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: which is ultimately, uh my goal for our nonprofits. So

1392
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,679
Speaker 1: I just want to be ahead of the game, especially

1393
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:32,680
Speaker 1: UM in the movement that we're in right now, the

1394
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 1: post COVID UM slash Black Lives Matter movement where they're

1395
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: looking for African American all run organizations that have their

1396
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 1: stuff together. And we just want to make sure that

1397
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 1: we're in a in a place and in a space

1398
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 1: where we're comfortable when you say, hey, Vick, I got

1399
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 1: a million dollars I want to give to you. Can

1400
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 1: you do you have the capacity? Do you have the

1401
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:58,719
Speaker 1: knowledge base? Do you have the skill set to even

1402
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: manage that? So that's what I've dedicated my education towards

1403
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 1: um really understanding the space and and being a master

1404
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: of my faith and the captain of my soul. Victor, Hey, man,

1405
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: anything I can do? Come on now, you have me

1406
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: in a minute for I'm being limp. I love it, man,

1407
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 1: I'm glad you've joined the interview, man, because I appreciate

1408
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 1: your youth, your spirit. We talked about the mission of

1409
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: broad Membership dot org. Now the vision, you know, the

1410
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: vision is through your mentory program. You desire to make

1411
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: personal connections that inspired those in the urban communities to

1412
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: discover who they are. And that's important because sometimes I know,

1413
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 1: you know, all I can see, man, what I saw

1414
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: on TV or what happened down the street. And sometimes

1415
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 1: what happened downstreet wasn't always what I wanted to be,

1416
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 1: but I didn't have an option to see what I

1417
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: could be. And so that means developing their strengths and

1418
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 1: overcome their challenges. Like you said, like I'm not like

1419
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: I'm talking about and I'm not telling anybody. Look, man,

1420
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 1: I didn't come from the I didn't I went in

1421
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,560
Speaker 1: the game. I didn't have to deal with drugs on

1422
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 1: the corner. I'm not saying that, But I have to

1423
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 1: deal I deal with I dealt with a situation that

1424
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: level to a lot of unsafe situations. And that's what

1425
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,600
Speaker 1: we're talking about. We're talking about where you know, we

1426
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 1: had to be on the porch before the light went out. Okay,

1427
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 1: that was demand. And when I look at what you're

1428
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 1: doing with deals with young girls and boys elementary to

1429
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: middle school, Now, that's what that has always been considered

1430
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 1: a very important era to capture young minds elementary to

1431
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 1: middle school because they've always said that once they get

1432
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: in high school sometimes that spirit can be lost and

1433
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:51,560
Speaker 1: the direction of failure has been so defined that it

1434
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 1: cannot be turned around. Not saying it is it possible,

1435
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 1: but if you can catch them early, you can catch

1436
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 1: a larger number to keep them straight. Am I writing

1437
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: my deaf and issition of that term right? And I

1438
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 1: do want to um to say that our main focus

1439
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 1: is on the seventeen through year olds. However, however, to

1440
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 1: your point, we do have a lot of partnerships within

1441
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: the community. A lot of our programmatic partnerships and community

1442
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 1: partnerships are with the age range that you talked about.

1443
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: And you are absolutely right. Um, they say that if

1444
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 1: you want to teach a person a different language, um,

1445
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 1: you can't do it when they turn fifteen, sixteen and up,

1446
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 1: and you're definitely not gonna do it when they get older.

1447
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,799
Speaker 1: If you want to teach a person a different language,

1448
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: you teach them when they're a baby all the way up,

1449
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 1: because it's easier to retain, it's easier to mold the mind. Um,

1450
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 1: it's easier, uh to, as they say, it's it's easier

1451
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 1: um to to to build up a kid then break

1452
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 1: a man. You know what I'm saying, And and and

1453
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 1: and yes, you have to capture them at that early age. Um.

1454
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 1: But for Brothers Restoring Urban Hope, what we saw because

1455
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: we work in an area where there are thousands I

1456
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:17,640
Speaker 1: mean when I say thousands, there are. There are thousands

1457
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 1: of youth that are being served by the Boys and

1458
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 1: Girls Clubs, the Big Brothers, Big Sisters, and the Boy

1459
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 1: Scouts of America, and all of them fit that age

1460
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: range that we just talked about. That younger age range

1461
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: where Brothers Restoring Urban Hope found an opportunity, and we

1462
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:38,680
Speaker 1: said we wanted to fill the space of is what

1463
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 1: happens when those kids age out of that program at

1464
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:48,600
Speaker 1: seventeen years old. I'm gonna tell you what happens. We

1465
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 1: started to treat them like adults. We started to put

1466
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 1: them in an adult system. We we we expect them

1467
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 1: to make adult decisions. Those cute little babies that you

1468
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 1: were training up when they were sixteen, and you love

1469
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 1: them when they were sixteen. Now society hates them now

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Speaker 1: that they got a little beard and a little mustache,

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Speaker 1: you know, a little spot you know that they stay

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Speaker 1: in or you know, got their license or whatever the

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01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 1: case may be. But that's one of the most pivotal

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Speaker 1: times for my area because what happens is they fall

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Speaker 1: into that economic that racial equity, economic mobility UM cycle, right,

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Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is that that's where

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Speaker 1: those numbers start popping up, homelessness, under under paid um

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Speaker 1: uh uh, not being able to get a job or

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Speaker 1: get into school. Those are our seventeen through twenty four

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Speaker 1: year olds that you're seeing popping up in that racial

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Speaker 1: equity report. And those are the folks that we are

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01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 1: really trying to capture and sitting in the gap for them.

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01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure you'll get to me talking about

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01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:05,600
Speaker 1: the different services we offer them. But that's that's the

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01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 1: main focus of Brothers, restoring up the hope, because that's

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01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 1: where a lot of hope is lost. I want to

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01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 1: talk because I know we're getting close to the end.

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Speaker 1: I want to say two things, and then I want

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Speaker 1: you to talk about your services. Uh. If you don't

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01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 1: when you get to that seventeen, you've been rejected, you've

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01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 1: been told I got you. You've been saying, hey man,

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01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 1: I'll be right back, don't come back. You've been just

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01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 1: a fried chat franchise. As a as a young man,

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01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 1: you've been discouraged. You've been emotionally and maybe physically kicked

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01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 1: to the curve. And I noticed, for a fact, you

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01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 1: have to make a commitment to these boys or young

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01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: men because they're boys, they're really boys because they didn't

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01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 1: they didn't get to live a normal life where they

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01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 1: could cry, where they could hug, where they can see failure,

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01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 1: and somebody picked their spirit back up and give them

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01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,759
Speaker 1: hope to make it. It's all right to make a mistake.

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01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 1: And so when I when I and so I know

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01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 1: the journey that you're dealing with, man is emotionally so

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01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 1: challenging because you can't have a day off victor not

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01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 1: with these boys. You can't because that day you have

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01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 1: off is the day could be the worst day of

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01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 1: life for the kid that you had awful. And I remember,

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01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 1: man that uh, I remember when I first went into

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01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 1: a program like that in Houston, Texas and came in,

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01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 1: I spoke. The boys didn't say nothing. They looked at me, go, okay,

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01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 1: thank you. I said, what's what's the problem. Well, you know,

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01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 1: I know you. You feel good about yourself, I hope.

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01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:36,560
Speaker 1: So because they come in here all the time, do

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01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:38,639
Speaker 1: these little speeches like you do and don't come back.

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01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 1: Then I realized right there when that little kid said

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01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 1: and he was a little kid, he like six three

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01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: to forty, right, These ain't a little little kids. But

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01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 1: like you said, they've they've they've transcended into manhood and

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01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 1: people start treating them like man. But they have the

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01:21:54,080 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 1: development of a child LifeSkills. How to communicate was my

1521
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 1: next decision. So they're susceptible to making mistakes. They can't

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01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 1: recover from that's what you're dealing with every day, and

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01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 1: that's seventeen twenty four age group. What gets you going, man, Victor,

1524
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: because it can be so frustrating, brother, it could be

1525
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: so breaking, emotionally breaking for you, and then you have

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01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 1: these services closers out by talking about this. Man, I'm

1527
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 1: so proud of you to spend the time to tell

1528
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 1: me about your story. But especially they broad mentorship dot

1529
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 1: org store which is available. You can go there is

1530
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 1: go to that website. It's available on that website because

1531
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: I broadcast on all these HBCU schools and and my

1532
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:40,799
Speaker 1: whole thing is to allow people to understand you as value.

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01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,719
Speaker 1: You know, you're in the heart of HBCU all this area.

1534
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 1: So but man, speak your piece, man, so we can

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01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 1: get out of here. Man. Absolutely, Um, you spoke on

1536
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:53,720
Speaker 1: something a little earlier and you said, Um, you have

1537
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 1: to you know, understand your why and you have to

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01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 1: know your why and who you are. And it's it's

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01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 1: one of those situations where I meet with a lot

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01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 1: of youth all the time and through different partnerships, whether

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01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 1: it be d J J D S s UM, the

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01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 1: Alternative schools, UM, the regular schools, the colleges, and you know,

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01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 1: we meet folks who just got out of prison all

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01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 1: the way to folks who are two kids who are

1545
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 1: about to go to law school. So it's an array

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01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 1: of kids. But one thing that I I've always not

1547
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:36,720
Speaker 1: understood and we're still trying to understand this is when

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01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 1: you ask a kid why and what's your why, they

1549
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 1: put their head down in and thinking about it. And

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01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 1: a lot of times, eight times out of ten or

1551
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 1: eight kids out of ten, they can't tell you there

1552
01:23:56,280 --> 01:24:02,560
Speaker 1: why they don't understand their perfect us and what we

1553
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 1: want to do through our services because we don't do

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01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 1: this just Victor and my staff of six. We have

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01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 1: volunteers that range from three to four hundred volunteers throughout

1556
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 1: the community that we can call on at any given

1557
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:25,719
Speaker 1: time to give a kid what they need at that time.

1558
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:28,680
Speaker 1: And we do group mentoring so it's not one to

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01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 1: one mentoring. So when we show up, we show up

1560
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 1: in huge numbers. For instance, at our summit program with

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01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 1: spart Berk Methodist College, UM, we have a program that

1562
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 1: really caters towards those first generational college students that have

1563
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: either about to flunk out the first semester of college

1564
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:53,799
Speaker 1: and or on the brink of dropping out of college,

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01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 1: and we showed up with you know, forty or fifty

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01:24:57,439 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 1: of our first generational college volunteers to really pour into

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01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 1: those youths. We went over study habits. We go over

1568
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 1: relationship building with your professor, understanding how to sit up

1569
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 1: at the front not the back. Understanding where your resources

1570
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 1: and pockets. Folks are on campus that can actually assist

1571
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 1: you with your tutoring needs. Or if you have an

1572
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 1: issue with a computer and you don't have a computer,

1573
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 1: who you need to go to to get that computer? Um,

1574
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, time management skills, how to study and focus

1575
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 1: because studying in high school and studying in colleges are

1576
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 1: to totally do different things. Um. So that that's just

1577
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 1: one type of partnership that we have. But what I

1578
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 1: but it takes a community and we really live by that.

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01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 1: It takes a village mindset. Um. We have partnerships with

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01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 1: uh cap ALPHASA, we have partnerships with the United Way,

1581
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,719
Speaker 1: We have spart partnerships with the spark Bar academic movement.

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01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 1: Folks that really come in with us and become brothers,

1583
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 1: become brothers restoring urban hope or sisters restoring urban hope,

1584
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 1: and we do it as a community. But one of

1585
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 1: our main projects that we have going on now is

1586
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 1: called Connected Scholars, and that is for our college students

1587
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 1: because a lot of times when we talk about mentoring,

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01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people automatically assume that you're talking about

1589
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 1: a kid that's about to go to jail, or high

1590
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:32,759
Speaker 1: school dropout or X, Y and z. We often forget

1591
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 1: about those leaders, those young men and women that will

1592
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 1: be leading our next generation. They need mentorship too, and

1593
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:50,759
Speaker 1: we need to pour into them even more during these times. Churches,

1594
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 1: Folks aren't going back to church anymore. Everything is on

1595
01:26:56,080 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 1: social media. The world is as racist as ever. We've

1596
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 1: got to train our leaders, you know, we got to

1597
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 1: be prepared for succession. So right now we're going to

1598
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:12,679
Speaker 1: connect the Scholars program um that that are really training

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01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 1: up our next leaders um and and really helping them

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01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 1: understand what social capital looks like, connecting them with different

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01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 1: mentors in their career fields or in their leadership fields,

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01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 1: and really pouring into them on a one on on

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01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 1: a group mentor and basis, and and teaching them how

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01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 1: to operate in these spaces that they're going to encounter

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01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: once they graduate high school and college and be comfortable

1606
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 1: in those spaces and be confident. Um. So we're excited

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01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 1: about this program and man, um, I'm excited to be

1608
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 1: here today. So I thank you for for having us. Well,

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01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:53,560
Speaker 1: all I gotta say, man, keep seeing it through and

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01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 1: you know what I mean by that. Okay, Victim, thank

1611
01:27:57,479 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 1: you for coming on money making conversation. Man, you come

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01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 1: on anything at Man. I love his period and uh

1613
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:05,520
Speaker 1: and again I'm based in Atlanta, George. I know you're Spartanburg.

1614
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 1: Ever come up in this area. Please make sure you

1615
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 1: come by the building. So we're gonna chop it up.

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01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let me just say this. I'd love

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01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 1: to invite you out my own my cousin he runs

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01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 1: the Atlantic Entertainment Basketball League NBA Summer League basketball there

1619
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:23,600
Speaker 1: and we're bringing some kids up. Um. I'd love for

1620
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:25,600
Speaker 1: you and your staff and crew to come out be

1621
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 1: to us, a sit court side sometime with us. Absolutely.

1622
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 1: You used to tell the day to my staff and

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01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 1: we'll be there, my man, and then come come on,

1624
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 1: come on by the building. Brother, make some dessert for you.

1625
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:36,679
Speaker 1: That's what I do. That's what I do. Alright, brother,

1626
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 1: Alright there, man, you're an amazing new Okay, I love

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01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 1: you man, Victors appreciate it. We will be right back

1628
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 1: with more money Making Conversations with your host Rashan McDonald.

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Speaker 1: You are now tuned into the Money Making Conversations Minute

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Speaker 1: and they understood the consequences of disrespect. So I played

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Speaker 1: the head of the Black Gang and we negotiate over

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1650
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Speaker 1: live here outside the Perez family home, just waiting for

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Speaker 1: the And there they go, almost on time. This morning.

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Speaker 1: Mom is coming out the front door, strong with a

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Speaker 1: double arm kid carry. Looks like Dad has the bags.

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Speaker 1: Daughter is bringing up the rear. Oh, but the diaper

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Speaker 1: bag wasn't closed. Diapers and toys are everywhere. Oh but

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Speaker 1: Mom has just nailed the perfect car seat buckle for

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Speaker 1: the toddler. And now the eldest daughter, who looks to

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Speaker 1: be about nine or ten, has secured herself in the

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Speaker 1: booster seat. Dad zips the bad clothes and they're off. Ah,

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Speaker 1: but looks like Mom doesn't realize her coffee cup is

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Speaker 1: still on the roof of the car. And there it goes. Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's a shame that mud was a fan favorite. Don't

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Speaker 1: in the forest trees? Sure you know what else grows

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Speaker 1: in the forest. Our imagination, our sense of wonder, and

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Speaker 1: our family bonds grow too, because when we disconnect from

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Speaker 1: this and connect with this, we reconnect with each other.

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Speaker 1: the AD Council. Welcome back to money making Conversations with

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Speaker 1: your host Rashaan McDonald. My guests today are and then

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Speaker 1: punch your wheels. Had him on, but he got a

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Speaker 1: sidekick on the day. Last time I had him on

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Speaker 1: every body itself, you know, but he's gonna bring on

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Speaker 1: ebony blanded Punchers. The owner of Punchers Late nighte Fried Trap.

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Speaker 1: If you got video, if you're watching on TV. You

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Speaker 1: can see he's promoting it right on his chest. He's

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Speaker 1: a man that I love, I love person that understands

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Speaker 1: the value promotion and ebony. She's a talented writer and

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Speaker 1: director who's recently featured in Variety. Is one of the

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Speaker 1: Black Magic's future feature film director. While while working at

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Speaker 1: the fire Trap, she handles the front office and behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes and streating content, ideas and as they say,

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Speaker 1: building community relationships. They only show to talk about the

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Speaker 1: new movie project, Jordan's and Patro's Late Knife and I

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Speaker 1: got the menus right here, I got the music. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about some of this food. Because you know,

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Speaker 1: I love, I'll be I'll be I'll be liking you

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Speaker 1: on Instagram and everything, so I'll be giving you love.

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Speaker 1: There the Fried Trap. They their pride and themselves and

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Speaker 1: preserving the history and the culture. Is serving a piece

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Speaker 1: of Magic City and the former Fries. Please working the

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Speaker 1: money making conversation Brandon Punch of Whims and for the

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Speaker 1: first time I'm calling director, producer, you know, black Magic,

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Speaker 1: black Girl Magic, Evony Blanding, but so much, thank you,

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Speaker 1: so much. But but you know, you know we've we've

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Speaker 1: been talking man and UM. When you first came on

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Speaker 1: the air, you know we used the early stages you know,

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Speaker 1: of the business launch, but you were like, man, this

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Speaker 1: is for real. You know you know you I love

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Speaker 1: it because you know you started something. It was it

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Speaker 1: was jumping off, but you didn't trust whether any longevity

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Speaker 1: was there. So tell people about that early stage so

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Speaker 1: we can talk about with you, because you don't you

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Speaker 1: have to ride through the pandemic. And now we're on

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Speaker 1: the show talking about you got every sitting next to you,

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Speaker 1: So talk about those early days of just having an

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Speaker 1: idea and not really wanted to step out there full

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Speaker 1: time with that idea. Well, the first initial start was

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Speaker 1: a proof of cunsoll does this idea really work? Does

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Speaker 1: it really serve an audience, the audience that we want

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Speaker 1: to serve? Um? And again in testing it out from

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Speaker 1: our own we we did see that it did work.

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Speaker 1: But then came the pandemic. So does this work within

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Speaker 1: the pandemic? Within uh, these this this diret situation and

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Speaker 1: actually still sustain us? And we found out that indeed

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Speaker 1: it did. Um. It's kind of wild because now we

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Speaker 1: we we have to close and chat rest. It's it's crazy,

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Speaker 1: but not in the bad way. We're actually moving and

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Speaker 1: we're moving into another phase that allows us to expand

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Speaker 1: our menu more, expand our culture and our experience for

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Speaker 1: our customers more. Um and that indeed is the next

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Speaker 1: next testament to where the punch os is a two

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Speaker 1: institution of the matter. Well is a true institution, you know.

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Speaker 1: And the reason you win because the first time my

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Speaker 1: interview used by yourself, use hustling. And now you have

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Speaker 1: a person who shares your vision and Bene she shipping

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Speaker 1: right next to you, and uh everbody talk about coming

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Speaker 1: into Brandon's like and what do you see you vision

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Speaker 1: of the company growing? Let me add Evan's been here

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Speaker 1: from the job. She she won't with me with me

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Speaker 1: on the last interview. She was probably doing some something

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Speaker 1: makers but co found the ankle off. Excuse me, evany.

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Speaker 1: They didn't put that in there in the little bio

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Speaker 1: they sent over here. They just said you you know,

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Speaker 1: you just uh front offers and everything. Didn't say an originator,

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Speaker 1: you know, a true instigator, a true visionary. Tell him

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Speaker 1: next time they whoever doing the bio ebony, you need

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Speaker 1: to look at the bio before it go out. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so you can get your just rewarding because you know,

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Speaker 1: I do my homework. Now, okay, so I do my homework,

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Speaker 1: but this is I'm just messing with him. Just so good.

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Speaker 1: But still if he had anybody, I got six sisters,

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Speaker 1: I got a wife, I got Samanthew, she the executive producer.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, all these females make me better. So

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Speaker 1: I'm not shocked Evony that you're sitting there, you know,

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Speaker 1: holding it down, but you need to get on the bio. Okay, now,

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Speaker 1: thank you for having us. I think that early on

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Speaker 1: with Punchos and when Puncho came up with the idea,

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Speaker 1: because it did come from his um. It's his namesake,

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Speaker 1: so it came from his brain. But we both love

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Speaker 1: to eat um when we like to eat a particular

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Speaker 1: type of way. We're foodies, if you will. So we

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Speaker 1: eat a lot of local things in Atlanta and go

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Speaker 1: to spots that perhaps people wouldn't venture two, but we

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Speaker 1: don't necessarily mind traveling a good distance for some great food. Um.

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Speaker 1: And with that being said, we're both artists, both filmmakers

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Speaker 1: and um we were in between gigs and anyone who

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Speaker 1: works in the art industry or the film industry. UM,

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Speaker 1: they know that, Um, unless you're working for like a

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Speaker 1: big studio, and even then you're always kind of chasing jobs.

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Speaker 1: And Puncho is an entrepreneur. He was that when I

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Speaker 1: first met him, and he's done other things, and I

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Speaker 1: think for him and when I'm so fortunate for um

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Speaker 1: in regards to my life as a as a filmmaker,

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Speaker 1: but also his partner is for someone to introduce a

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Speaker 1: different way to be an entrepreneur to you. UM. And

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Speaker 1: so Brandon early on a K Puncho really understood that

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Speaker 1: for us to be where we wanted to be in life,

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Speaker 1: and for us to really be able to make the

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Speaker 1: stories that we want to make because we make stories

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Speaker 1: that have black people front and center, then it was

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Speaker 1: gonna look like for us having to have a have

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Speaker 1: our own pocketbook, so to speak, were able to finance

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Speaker 1: our own things. UM. And it doesn't look like chasing jobs.

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Speaker 1: It looks like making your own jobs. And so Puncho's

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Speaker 1: Late Night frid Trap has really been able to do

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Speaker 1: that for both of us, UM, allowing us to not

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Speaker 1: only manifest UM, I guess like the physical culture part

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Speaker 1: being from Atlanta and wanting to have an institution here. Um,

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Speaker 1: because we're both natives, but also from the art perspective,

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Speaker 1: putting us in position where we don't have to compromise

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Speaker 1: our values, We don't have to compromise the world that

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Speaker 1: we're creating on screen. Um, because Punchos allowed us to

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Speaker 1: humbly but allows us to be able to really put

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Speaker 1: some backing behind our projects and be able to really

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Speaker 1: support ourselves. Indeed, well, you know she said a lot. Okay,

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Speaker 1: she's articulating the artistic side of it, but the base

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Speaker 1: of it is Pancho's late night fry track. Okay, she

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Speaker 1: said it earlier on Foodies. And I'm gonna ask you

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Speaker 1: because I called myself a foodie, and I'm would tell

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Speaker 1: you something. If anybody watched me eat, they go, dude,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why you're not four times bigger than

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Speaker 1: what you are, because that's what the food here, that's

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Speaker 1: that's the testament of food. I I go in, dude,

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Speaker 1: that sample stuff. I love variety. I don't run from

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Speaker 1: any type of new idea and new stuff. Now, the

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Speaker 1: blessing of our relationship is that French fries or I

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Speaker 1: love me some good French fries. Now, I'm gonna tell

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Speaker 1: you just a little history of me. Like all black people,

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Speaker 1: you know, back in the day, McDonald's was my number

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Speaker 1: one fry. Okay, love me. Couldn't couldn't go roll with McDonalds.

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Speaker 1: They've tried to copy bird, can't try to cull everybody.

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Speaker 1: And then then I fell in the five guys because

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Speaker 1: you know you're going there for a medium. They get

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Speaker 1: your extra lord. Anybody who are buying a large fry

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Speaker 1: from five guys is crazy because you get the media.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna get your lords, all right, and then it's

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Speaker 1: a matha. My executive producer, she she know I love fry.

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Speaker 1: She said, how you five? Have you try to punch

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Speaker 1: your late night five? As it was that she said,

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Speaker 1: you need to try that. They're good. They're good. So

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Speaker 1: that's how I came into your work, do, my executive producer.

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Speaker 1: So that word of mouth plays a big role into

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Speaker 1: what you're doing. Talk about like you said, man, you're

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Speaker 1: not like me as a baker. I didn't go to

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Speaker 1: a culinary school. You're not a you're not a U

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Speaker 1: degreed chef. So you just took an idea. Talk about

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Speaker 1: that idea because as we always talking about on this

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Speaker 1: show is that people have all these great ideas they're

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Speaker 1: afraid to pursue them. They're people are not come down

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Speaker 1: saying that, ain't you You don't have time for that.

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Speaker 1: But here you are took an idea like Ebon he said,

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Speaker 1: it was your idea. But you guys have grown into

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Speaker 1: a business that's not being transferred to a new location,

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Speaker 1: but still able to live your other fantasy or other dreams.

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Speaker 1: I should say not fantasy because it's happening. Fantasies are

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Speaker 1: not reality. The things you're doing in the filmmaking businesses

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Speaker 1: or dreams that are reality. Talk about that whole pushing

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Speaker 1: past the docters, listen past man. That was so much

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Speaker 1: rise because I feel it internally, cellularly and just being

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Speaker 1: a being that punch ows was an idea that we

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Speaker 1: know people love fries, But how do this connect to

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Speaker 1: to the true energy? And I need to retract to

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Speaker 1: where I based my thoughts, and it is in the

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Speaker 1: energy and it's not necessarily in my skill um and

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Speaker 1: as a friedmaker, although I do take a lot of

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Speaker 1: focus on making this fry like the best one. It

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Speaker 1: was like comparable to the honest fried. So there's intention

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Speaker 1: behind just knowing that the name connects to the need

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01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:08,960
Speaker 1: being punch shows and is an Atlanta brand. We need

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Speaker 1: late night food. Everyone loves fried So I know these

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Speaker 1: things connect um and the idea of the energy being

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Speaker 1: that this box of fries can be a key to

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Speaker 1: many other doors. It's not just a box of fries.

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Speaker 1: This keys this this this box of fries open the

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Speaker 1: door to money making conversations, to crack putm industry, to

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Yards, to uh Atlanta United, to the Hawks, to

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Speaker 1: the thought. So it's more than fries, and the idea

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Speaker 1: behind it is knowing that all these things are naturally

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Speaker 1: intertwined in your idea and that once you give it

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Speaker 1: out into the universe, these things will nassarily be attracted

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Speaker 1: to it. So that's truly what the intention behind and

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Speaker 1: the power behind that first initial idea and lunching it

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Speaker 1: the way that you you see it. Although you do

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Speaker 1: need some insight and a layer of the land to

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Speaker 1: understand where you're going. Um, But once you do that,

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Speaker 1: you go for it and you you trust you what

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Speaker 1: you feeling, what the universe gave. Well, you know one

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Speaker 1: thing about black people, man, you know, you give him

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Speaker 1: a lot of anything. Man, they in love. You know,

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Speaker 1: you give him a lot of rice. You know who

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Speaker 1: They're gonna come back, you know, saying you get a

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Speaker 1: lot of fries, bro, you put some on top of

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Speaker 1: the fries. Boy, you got come on now, you know

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Speaker 1: they're coming back up in that joint because they wanted.

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Speaker 1: They want more for their dollar. And that's your brand,

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Speaker 1: the brand that you're doin their Partrs. Late Night Fried Traff.

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Speaker 1: You get value, good food, dollar value, and you get

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Speaker 1: a lot to take home. Because I don't know any

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Speaker 1: Black person that doesn't get excited when you're going the

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Speaker 1: restaurant and they go, can I have my dog? You back?

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Speaker 1: Because they want to take stuff home, you know, because

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Speaker 1: money means something else. And when I say that, you

1885
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:43,000
Speaker 1: know people always say money means something to everybody. Nah,

1886
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:47,000
Speaker 1: black people, money means something to us man, because it's

1887
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:49,960
Speaker 1: so hard to get it and sometimes we can't even

1888
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:52,360
Speaker 1: save it. So when we have to spend it, it

1889
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:54,759
Speaker 1: has to go a little bit further than the normal

1890
01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:57,800
Speaker 1: everyday dollar. And so when you see that, whenever you

1891
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:00,800
Speaker 1: hear me talking like that, everything, and you you engine

1892
01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 1: the community, what are they saying about ponchos Late Night

1893
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:07,640
Speaker 1: frod trap. I think in particular because we're based in Atlanta,

1894
01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:10,360
Speaker 1: and for folks who know, like you'll hear people talk

1895
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:14,439
Speaker 1: about old Atlanta versus New Atlanta, UM old Atlanta, so

1896
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:18,160
Speaker 1: to speak. UM. And with that being said, there's a

1897
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:20,960
Speaker 1: lot of gentrification that has happened in the city, and

1898
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:23,200
Speaker 1: I think people's first thing when they see us, two

1899
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:27,000
Speaker 1: black folks of our age doing what we're doing, UM,

1900
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:30,280
Speaker 1: I think they're proud. I think that's the first energy

1901
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:32,519
Speaker 1: that I kind of received from people is how proud

1902
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:34,200
Speaker 1: they are that we're doing this in the city that

1903
01:43:34,439 --> 01:43:37,519
Speaker 1: UH is our home, and how we're really just like

1904
01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:41,240
Speaker 1: leaning into being an institution. We tell people early on

1905
01:43:41,479 --> 01:43:43,479
Speaker 1: that like if you know about the Varsity, if you

1906
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:46,520
Speaker 1: know about JR Crickets, um, if you know about passpors.

1907
01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:50,160
Speaker 1: We want to plan that same um, that same pun

1908
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:52,760
Speaker 1: and people receive that energy, I think because we set

1909
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:55,799
Speaker 1: the tone UM. And I think that's something for anyone

1910
01:43:55,880 --> 01:43:59,000
Speaker 1: who's like doing a business, you have to really lean

1911
01:43:59,120 --> 01:44:01,000
Speaker 1: into what you're saying you're doing. A mean, would you

1912
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:03,880
Speaker 1: say that you're doing like you say that you're UH

1913
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:07,320
Speaker 1: doing fries for the culture, then what does the culture mean?

1914
01:44:07,439 --> 01:44:09,400
Speaker 1: So the culture for us looks like we are very

1915
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:11,880
Speaker 1: involved in our community. It looks like we know the

1916
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:14,240
Speaker 1: kids that walk up and down the street. It looks

1917
01:44:14,280 --> 01:44:17,760
Speaker 1: like they can call out Puncho's name and he responds um.

1918
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:21,080
Speaker 1: And you know they actually have a homie if you will,

1919
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:23,360
Speaker 1: to the relationship, talk to on a big brother level.

1920
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:26,720
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's it's more than fries. And you

1921
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:28,479
Speaker 1: say that all the time, but it really is more

1922
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:32,080
Speaker 1: than frys. You're smiling. Come on, get it out, Brandon.

1923
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:35,800
Speaker 1: We come on that part about I just have to

1924
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:38,320
Speaker 1: salute some of the young guys who do come and

1925
01:44:38,479 --> 01:44:41,600
Speaker 1: they patronize, but y'a also help. They they will be

1926
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:44,559
Speaker 1: some of the hand that people will see over Pratt

1927
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:47,960
Speaker 1: woman who might be un familiar faces, but they will

1928
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:51,519
Speaker 1: be making some delicious fries and providing some awesome service.

1929
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:54,040
Speaker 1: That this is true to an That's that's what I

1930
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:56,240
Speaker 1: love about it. And again, we're in the middle of Peaceburg.

1931
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:59,280
Speaker 1: Peaceburg is uh one of the most dangerous neighborhoods, and

1932
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:04,799
Speaker 1: so these guys are not your normally, they're they're involved

1933
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:06,920
Speaker 1: in a lot of things that they shouldn't be. At

1934
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:10,760
Speaker 1: the same time, it's not because they want. It's not

1935
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:13,000
Speaker 1: because they're horrible people, because they don't have a lot

1936
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:16,400
Speaker 1: of a whole lot of options so or examples. And

1937
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:18,160
Speaker 1: that's what I am right now, That's what I hope

1938
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:20,000
Speaker 1: to be, and that's what I see them respond to

1939
01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:23,560
Speaker 1: me as as a positive example the show that you

1940
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:26,040
Speaker 1: can do what you want to do without all the

1941
01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:28,960
Speaker 1: all the other stuff, you know, the beauty of us

1942
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:31,479
Speaker 1: talking and being at the interviewing. And I would thank

1943
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:33,880
Speaker 1: you for coming on my show. I consider your special

1944
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:37,680
Speaker 1: brand and entity, you know. And Pachos, I wanted to

1945
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:40,200
Speaker 1: be like Varsity. I wanted to be like Pascals. I

1946
01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:42,760
Speaker 1: wanted to be like you know, Sloody, Vegan, you know

1947
01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:45,600
Speaker 1: inte the brands that people kind of know off the

1948
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:47,160
Speaker 1: top of the head, and then also could rattle off

1949
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:49,960
Speaker 1: the menu like you know, the Magic City, you know

1950
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:55,040
Speaker 1: Gang Gang, you know the bluff Old Atlanta ninety six Olympics,

1951
01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:59,439
Speaker 1: you know seafood Chalty, you know seafood wild called shrimp

1952
01:45:59,560 --> 01:46:02,880
Speaker 1: and crap a salted with fresh garlic and herbs over

1953
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:09,640
Speaker 1: garden fry. See what I'm saying, man, You know, when

1954
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:12,479
Speaker 1: you can just read it and it sounds annible, it

1955
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:15,240
Speaker 1: sounds like you're mad because you can't get over there

1956
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:18,840
Speaker 1: to the fry chap and get it. That's a good writing, baby,

1957
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:21,519
Speaker 1: who wrote that? Then? But that you happen, you happen

1958
01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:27,759
Speaker 1: like okay, So puncta is very very easy. He studies

1959
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:31,519
Speaker 1: a lot about colors and moods. Um. And you know,

1960
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:33,760
Speaker 1: I will say that I'm a good copy editor. So

1961
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:35,960
Speaker 1: if it's anything that he writes, um, I definitely will

1962
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 1: give a second glance. But um, you said you see

1963
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:44,880
Speaker 1: to to to to genuses, I'll say that I want

1964
01:46:44,920 --> 01:46:50,559
Speaker 1: set the humility you gotta promote like I always tell people,

1965
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:52,760
Speaker 1: you know, and I would tell people she in the

1966
01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:55,160
Speaker 1: era we live, I call it the muhammad our era

1967
01:46:55,479 --> 01:46:58,400
Speaker 1: because social media allows you to shout and share you

1968
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:03,240
Speaker 1: great and see you, she said to genius and see puncher.

1969
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:05,080
Speaker 1: I didn't run from that, because that's what she's supposed

1970
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:07,599
Speaker 1: to do. She supposed to let everybody know that when

1971
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:10,280
Speaker 1: I say, you know, when I say that magic City,

1972
01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:14,800
Speaker 1: fried eight hours, fried, salmon, salmon, salmon, you know I

1973
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:17,720
Speaker 1: see salvath people salmon, you say saving even black, you

1974
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:21,240
Speaker 1: say salmon and shrimp, tossing our very own honey, garlic,

1975
01:47:21,320 --> 01:47:25,240
Speaker 1: sauce over garlic, and Child's fried top with cessily seed

1976
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:30,160
Speaker 1: and Child's with ranch drizzle. That's genius, baby, see every

1977
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:32,240
Speaker 1: time by every time I don't read, can you do

1978
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:37,720
Speaker 1: something with your hands a little? I can't help but

1979
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:40,040
Speaker 1: do it right? Like so no, thank you so much.

1980
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:42,400
Speaker 1: It's just not true. That's where That's what it is.

1981
01:47:42,520 --> 01:47:44,680
Speaker 1: These are the flavors that we love. These are the

1982
01:47:44,760 --> 01:47:46,360
Speaker 1: things that we want to eat when we go to

1983
01:47:46,439 --> 01:47:50,160
Speaker 1: a late night location. So it's it's truly very simple

1984
01:47:50,520 --> 01:47:53,680
Speaker 1: to us in this form of it came from a

1985
01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:55,640
Speaker 1: genuine place. It comes from a genuine place. So we

1986
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:57,960
Speaker 1: don't have to search long and hard to find the

1987
01:47:58,040 --> 01:48:00,360
Speaker 1: things that commit because we are the people. We commit

1988
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:04,240
Speaker 1: with um and that that goes beyond color, it goes

1989
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:08,800
Speaker 1: it's reasonable, it's uh, you know, it's human base. We

1990
01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:11,920
Speaker 1: all love fries and I don't care absolutely, I don't care.

1991
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:14,439
Speaker 1: You just wanna salt all that I got? There? You go, there,

1992
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:16,519
Speaker 1: you go. Now, let's let's flip because I gotta talk

1993
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:19,720
Speaker 1: about Evan, you know, writer director who recently featured in

1994
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:23,360
Speaker 1: Variety and one of Black Magic's future feature film director.

1995
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:26,000
Speaker 1: First of all, let me tell you all about varieties.

1996
01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:30,080
Speaker 1: Variety is not I'm not gonna rod is Like you

1997
01:48:30,200 --> 01:48:35,080
Speaker 1: have Hollywood Reporter and you have Variety in Los Angeles. Okay,

1998
01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:38,920
Speaker 1: I've been in Los Angeles two Okay. I know when

1999
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:42,840
Speaker 1: you your name appear Variety, you frame that, you put

2000
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:44,840
Speaker 1: it on the wall, you call your mama, calls the

2001
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:47,519
Speaker 1: best friends, the girl I'm in Variety because they put

2002
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:50,320
Speaker 1: it in. I know she was sending that link out there. Everybody,

2003
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:52,760
Speaker 1: she was taking that link out there. Everybody you put

2004
01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:55,240
Speaker 1: it on social media had to because that's one of

2005
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:58,560
Speaker 1: the top entertainment magazine in the country. Did when you

2006
01:48:58,640 --> 01:49:01,640
Speaker 1: get a Variety at like, that's like, uh, that's like

2007
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:04,280
Speaker 1: the front page of the New York Times. You know,

2008
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:07,519
Speaker 1: you know you have the Atlanta Constant General Constitution, then

2009
01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:11,240
Speaker 1: you have New York Times. Different levels. You know, no

2010
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:13,720
Speaker 1: disrespect to a j C read it all the time,

2011
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:16,240
Speaker 1: no disrespect to chronicles all the time. But when you

2012
01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:18,679
Speaker 1: tell us about you in New York Time, they go, girl,

2013
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:21,160
Speaker 1: what did you do? You did something really good or

2014
01:49:21,280 --> 01:49:24,400
Speaker 1: something bad? Okay, you did something really good. To talk

2015
01:49:24,439 --> 01:49:27,920
Speaker 1: about the reaction to you being acknowledged like that, So

2016
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:30,599
Speaker 1: people get a sense of because I always like people.

2017
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:34,200
Speaker 1: There's so many costumes that we wear a black people,

2018
01:49:34,360 --> 01:49:35,439
Speaker 1: you know, because we have to do a lot of

2019
01:49:35,479 --> 01:49:37,439
Speaker 1: different things just to get to that get to the

2020
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:39,360
Speaker 1: end game, and then eventually you can just take off

2021
01:49:39,400 --> 01:49:41,920
Speaker 1: a real reveal to everybody who you really are, the

2022
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:45,960
Speaker 1: genius that you are right now, you're an entrepreneurial genius

2023
01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:48,640
Speaker 1: and you've been recognized as a future star as a

2024
01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:51,880
Speaker 1: writer director. Talk about that by Variety magazine. Talk about

2025
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:56,000
Speaker 1: that acknowledgement. Um, Well, to your point, Yeah, I definitely

2026
01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:59,080
Speaker 1: sent that article to my dad and my grandma and everybody.

2027
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:03,200
Speaker 1: How so proud of it. Um. And I think for

2028
01:50:03,479 --> 01:50:06,040
Speaker 1: anyone who does filmmaking, you know how long it takes

2029
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:10,320
Speaker 1: for you to go throughout your journey to be able

2030
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:12,639
Speaker 1: to get exposure and to be able to get articles.

2031
01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:15,479
Speaker 1: So I think for me, rush early on to your

2032
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:20,360
Speaker 1: point of um, of kind of like taking off your shell,

2033
01:50:20,479 --> 01:50:22,800
Speaker 1: if you will, and showing people who you are. I've

2034
01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:26,960
Speaker 1: always leaned into telling people who I was. I'm very Um.

2035
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:30,480
Speaker 1: Before being a black girl with magic was a hashtag,

2036
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:34,040
Speaker 1: I knew, I knew it was powerful. UM. So I

2037
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:37,160
Speaker 1: haven't necessarily needed to wait for the culture to catch

2038
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:40,040
Speaker 1: up because I know that black women are the culture, um,

2039
01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:41,880
Speaker 1: and so I write about that in a way that

2040
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:44,799
Speaker 1: I believe it's very true to myself and it seems

2041
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:47,519
Speaker 1: to be relatable to other Black women in particular, but

2042
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:50,759
Speaker 1: women at large. And so I think for me, getting

2043
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:53,600
Speaker 1: the Variety article is just the world catching up. To

2044
01:50:53,720 --> 01:50:56,240
Speaker 1: be honest, I've been doing this for a minute. So

2045
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:59,080
Speaker 1: any time, Rush, you know that the work that we do,

2046
01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:01,759
Speaker 1: we know that we uh we do it for ourselves,

2047
01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:05,000
Speaker 1: we do it for our communities, but we definitely expect

2048
01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:08,120
Speaker 1: some sort of fanfare around it. So I'm appreciative at

2049
01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:10,679
Speaker 1: this point in my career to UH to be landing

2050
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:14,680
Speaker 1: some bigger spots. But I mean, Rush, you know, it

2051
01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:19,000
Speaker 1: doesn't come without a bunch of smaller articles, right, Um,

2052
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:22,559
Speaker 1: it doesn't come without some of the chilling circuit um.

2053
01:51:22,760 --> 01:51:25,080
Speaker 1: And so just putting in that work and then allowing

2054
01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:27,960
Speaker 1: some of the bigger markets to UH when they catch

2055
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:30,240
Speaker 1: up to it, to to amplify you as a really

2056
01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:33,800
Speaker 1: great feeling well, first of all, to be recognized by

2057
01:51:33,960 --> 01:51:36,400
Speaker 1: any level. And I've learned that, you know, sometimes you

2058
01:51:36,479 --> 01:51:39,400
Speaker 1: know you're on the grind and you don't respect the

2059
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:43,439
Speaker 1: recognition of acknowledgement. That's why. That's why I'm letting you know,

2060
01:51:43,960 --> 01:51:47,120
Speaker 1: just in case you know it's died down, you know,

2061
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:50,519
Speaker 1: uh that ever happened now, that's still a big deal

2062
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:53,240
Speaker 1: and it has to be recognized as a big deal.

2063
01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:55,360
Speaker 1: It just led to a project that we're gonna talk

2064
01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:56,920
Speaker 1: about for a little bit on the show, because I

2065
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:58,840
Speaker 1: know I brought you on to talk about Ponchos Late

2066
01:51:58,920 --> 01:52:02,120
Speaker 1: Night Fried Trap. But there's the film called Jordan's that's

2067
01:52:02,160 --> 01:52:05,559
Speaker 1: out there that that you guys have produced shot. Tell

2068
01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:08,680
Speaker 1: us the synopsis of the movie, and we're gonna talk

2069
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:11,479
Speaker 1: about the importance of you producing and writing and directing

2070
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:15,839
Speaker 1: that movie. Absolutely. Um well, I'm the writer director Puncho

2071
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:18,719
Speaker 1: is one half of the producing team. He's also the editor.

2072
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:21,840
Speaker 1: Um and to keep it short, I get no, no,

2073
01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:27,120
Speaker 1: don't keep it short. Girl. Come on, hey, Brady, you're

2074
01:52:27,120 --> 01:52:28,960
Speaker 1: telling me what you're talking to? You tell your story

2075
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:31,760
Speaker 1: on my show. We're talking to like just a five

2076
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:34,120
Speaker 1: minute of you, girl, Take your time, get the word out.

2077
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:37,040
Speaker 1: I got you. Um. The story is about a black

2078
01:52:37,120 --> 01:52:41,719
Speaker 1: girl adventure discovering a black mermaid, a mermaid who looks

2079
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:44,600
Speaker 1: like the women who she looks up to. Um and

2080
01:52:45,080 --> 01:52:49,360
Speaker 1: if anyone is familiar with black folklore and uh, some

2081
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:52,560
Speaker 1: of the older stories of mermaids and merk folks have

2082
01:52:52,680 --> 01:52:57,320
Speaker 1: always been tied to a lot of our storytelling. So

2083
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:01,519
Speaker 1: my story centers a black girl from Georgia, go Figure

2084
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:05,000
Speaker 1: who is on a fishing trip with her father, um

2085
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:08,840
Speaker 1: and she discovers a mermaid, and she's a mermaid enthusiast,

2086
01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:11,400
Speaker 1: so she takes her back home, only to discover she's

2087
01:53:11,439 --> 01:53:14,519
Speaker 1: not what she seems. Uh. So this story involves a

2088
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:18,519
Speaker 1: lot of Clientify, which is a climate fiction. And we

2089
01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:22,479
Speaker 1: talked about the environment. We talk about pollution and how

2090
01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:27,040
Speaker 1: in particular it affects black and marginalized communities. Um. And

2091
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:30,960
Speaker 1: we talked about a black father supporting his black daughter's

2092
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:34,519
Speaker 1: wildest dreams in a manner. For me, that's something I'm

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Speaker 1: used to go on fishing trips with my dad and

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Speaker 1: There's nothing that I thought I couldn't do because I

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Speaker 1: And so this is a story that I feel, uh,

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Speaker 1: in particular, Black dads and black daughters will be very

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Speaker 1: from the beginning to the end. Um. He relishes in

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Speaker 1: her playtime, he relishes in her adventure. And so when

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Speaker 1: she discovers a black mermaid and brings her home, um,

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Speaker 1: it starts Besett Williams, who is a force of nature. Uh,

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Speaker 1: she's like a fourteen year old, uh, young protege you'll

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Speaker 1: a beautiful actress. Her name is artrees Um Johnson. And

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Speaker 1: then for the father, playing the father, we have a

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Speaker 1: Jeff Kanje all black cast, beautiful talent. They're truly like

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Speaker 1: the next superstar that you're gonna see if I believe

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Speaker 1: well good everny um. Oh you said that, Pancho, what's

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Speaker 1: the producer? You know? Okay, they they all say black

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Speaker 1: people can't swim. He said, black people going to the beach,

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Speaker 1: she gonna come to you Pancho, which is idea about

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Speaker 1: a little girl fascinated with a black mermaid. Okay, Kevilla walk.

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Speaker 1: We threw the steps man through the pitch. Come on, well,

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Speaker 1: it's it's not even It's so timely that it wasn't

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Speaker 1: even a pitch. It didn't need to be a pitch.

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Speaker 1: Once I heard the story and I know and saw

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Speaker 1: how much she put into it, and I knew what

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Speaker 1: time it was in the sense of us creating our

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Speaker 1: own stories, because again we're we started this frost trapt

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Speaker 1: things so we could so we could do this, yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: And that's what hit me, was like, oh now it's time.

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Speaker 1: And the level that we previously worked at it was

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Speaker 1: it was pretty greatful at any level. But this time rest,

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Speaker 1: This time we went mate. This time we had a

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Speaker 1: full camera, lighting and grip package from PC and E,

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I know what I'm saying. Absolutely, I'm just

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Speaker 1: let everybody. So that's pretty big. It makes much of

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Speaker 1: the full package. Also, we had a sponsorship from Atli,

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of your shoulders, I won't put

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Speaker 1: the number on it. But man, we we we were blessed.

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Speaker 1: And to see it come together. Our crew, which again

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Speaker 1: is a community of our our our family, people who

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Speaker 1: six years, UM to have them work collectively after week,

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Speaker 1: to see people and hear people speak to the energy

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Speaker 1: just overwelmen, man, I can't even I can divorce how much,

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Speaker 1: but then it would go on and all because we

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Speaker 1: get it from every side when it comes to people

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Speaker 1: appreciate it and being grateful and in time we are

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Speaker 1: openly grateful sold to be able to produce this level

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Speaker 1: that we have a prooven concept that we can now

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Speaker 1: and just to see what the response is. But you know,

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Speaker 1: we have something solid, especially about Plaque Girl Tween Adventurer

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Speaker 1: with I wan't want to mention what the mermaid actually is,

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Speaker 1: but the discovers the Mermaid and we really see this.

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Speaker 1: We don't like a lot of times as filmmakers, especially

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Speaker 1: independent filmakas, we get criticized for the quality of our work,

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Speaker 1: being in the visual or the sound, especially in the story.

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Speaker 1: We don't always have complete stories. But there is a

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Speaker 1: and that's exactly what we did, right. So that was

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Speaker 1: the process getting in it, like really getting into the

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Speaker 1: with where the intersection now toy years between, whether it's

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Speaker 1: and all these things are something that we had to

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Speaker 1: swim through. To the point about swimming no black people swim.

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Speaker 1: We swim hard and we walked light and that was

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Speaker 1: our crew are lovely DP James Fraser James. If you

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Speaker 1: So well, you know, come on there talking about Pancho

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